psyker-class

[lapis violet]

how do

first time gunker

also keystone

[upper sun]

DD

idk what they say

the one below?

can you post tool tips?

[marble crater]

If you need the sciers penance take the worse version, aka. bottom add on

[bold cape]

right, bottom right, middle is what i use

[hushed egret]

look, Natascha, you can quite literally run any combo of skills and weapons and find some amount of validity

a few exceptions, but not many

[upper sun]

everything except shredder auto pistol

[bold cape]

precog, endurance, warp speed

[upper sun]

lower one if you dont have 40 kills

[lapis violet]

don't suppose i'd take soulstealer on gunker, would i?

[marble crater]

For assail

[lapis violet]

40 kills ez with everything else taken into account

[marble crater]

You should have enough points

[hushed egret]

precog is good for after the downtime of scriers gaze, and getting more out of it after ut ends. reality anchor is probably worse overall, but it increases your scriers uptime

[lapis violet]

battle meditation?

[hushed egret]

battle med always good

[lapis violet]

10% quell on kill chance

[hushed egret]

[bold cape]

i dislike reality anchor cause you’re usually using non-peril weapons with it anyway

[lapis violet]

fk yeah

[hushed egret]

it reduces peril gen of scriers itself too

[bold cape]

and precog gets you to 30 easy

[hushed egret]

ye

[lethal lagoon]

I wonder why people struggle with the 40 kills, even if you struggle with columnus, you can just use Illius.

[bold cape]

yea but i still wouldn’t take it
unless you’re allergic to weakspots for some reason

[lapis violet]

which are irrelevant through ciag

[hushed egret]

ye

[marble crater]

I struggled because EU teammates are too good at horde clear

[lethal lagoon]

[bold cape]

is it real that eu players are just better

cause i might eat the 100 ping and go play there instead lmao

[lethal lagoon]

I bet if I switched to the EU servers, my literal first game would be a stealth zealot getting trapped.

[hushed egret]

it takes a particularly high enemy density that isnt common for most people to see, plus a lot of aggression that, if you arent using your dodges well, can be pretty risky

[lapis violet]

and then i also get a decent ciag first try

[bold cape]

brick brick brick brick

[lethal lagoon]

What's the difficulty limit for it?

Heresy or none?

[lapis violet]

there's a brick coming through your window in 3

[hushed egret]

idk, but I'd say anything auric

[lapis violet]

2

1

[lethal lagoon]

No I meant for the actual penance lmao

[hushed egret]

oh I dont think it has one

[lethal lagoon]

Cause you can do 40 kills in one SG easily on malice.

If you really needed to

[lapis violet]

they made these too ez actually

[bold cape]

i just got it playing normally using ds4

[lethal lagoon]

I don't think I specifically tried for it.

Plus you got PC, so if you kill a few elites in a group...

[lapis violet]

this used to be 300

[hushed egret]

just not often you'll even see 40 easy enough to kill enemies in a short enough period of time in difficulties below auric, and likely your team will kill a solid chunk of them

[lethal lagoon]

TBF, keeping it 300 when they changed how warp charges worked was just mean.

[lethal lagoon]

That's... not really true.

I know this because I had to rush to get a contract done for a weapon, I haven't played non-auric, let alone 3s, in forever.

And there was more than enough for that penance.

[lapis violet]

@bold cape how's the window repairs?

[marble crater]

Actually an okay columnus

[hushed egret]

I feel like it is. that scriers penance takes the same kind of density flame staff starts to trigger horde clear dialogue every 5-10 seconds

[bold cape]

no brick
id say replace the perks

[lapis violet]

yeah

[bold cape]

unyielding and flak is what i use i think

[lapis violet]

one to flak one to what

uny yes

[lethal lagoon]

I think you underestimating the spawn density on lower diffs. I was messing around with solo games and did a normal board heresy, and there were like 14 crushers that spawned at one point.

Like yeah there's a big difference.

[marble crater]

Poxwalker and weak spot damage

[lethal lagoon]

But it can still get pretty dense.

[lapis violet]

i'm like gigapoor rn but i'll get there

[hushed egret]

when it gets dense below auric, it's elites you arent killing rapidly because they came from a patrol

[lapis violet]

this and weak spot

[marble crater]

[hushed egret]

smaller horde enemies are os much fewer. I guess it's the same density in non auric, but less frequent spawns I guess

[lapis violet]

[hushed egret]

either way, I'm just saying it does take some effort and specific situations

[bold cape]

ive seen a lv300 player with this put on their weapon

[lethal lagoon]

You know I'm bored, I'll go see if I can 40 kills with SG in my first malice. I'll pop open the scoreboard before I use SG. Should count it easily enough.

[hushed egret]

[lapis violet]

have you ever played league? there's iron players with over 1 million mastery points

[upper sun]

did it in low intensity malice

[lapis violet]

time spent in game playing something does not equal skill

[hushed egret]

if you run ahead of your team before a horde spawns you'll probably have a decent chance

[lethal lagoon]

Oh thank god, so I don't have to go do it myself.

[hushed egret]

never said it was impossible

[lapis violet]

do i do eye cover cosmetics for gunker?

[upper sun]

vigil station end event

[hushed egret]

if it looks good

[lethal lagoon]

I feel like Low int malice makes it pretty clear that you didn't have much of a point in terms of the penance.

[marble crater]

Whatever you do, you take the cowboy cape cosmetic chest armor for gunker

[lapis violet]

FUCK no

ugly gauntlets

[lethal lagoon]

Do you mean the free one? Cause I love capes but that shit looks ugly AF

[marble crater]

Of course the free one, I didn't buy any cosmetics yet

[supple dock]

It seems like one of those penances that you'll eventually just complete by playing

[marble crater]

How would you know? You are a zealot main

[hushed egret]

low intense doesnt change density, just frequency, and yeah the director can just go absolutely ham on the spawns sometimes, and I'm also considering the player in question to be equal skill to their compatriots so a malice player in a malice lobby wont get the amount of kills you would in a malice lobby full of malice players

[supple dock]

LMAO I have not abandoned you guys

[marble crater]

[lethal lagoon]

If we are going by the skill level of the average auric player, I would say even more so it's easier to get in malice

[hushed egret]

safer but idk about easier. enemies will be more dispersed

heresy might be the easiest

for a combo of relative safety and density

but that's a maybe idk

[supple dock]

Or, hear me out. We tell everyone to do it in auric and they'll improve

[lethal lagoon]

You come in so rarely my joke about you being an anime girl just fizzled out on it's own instead of me overusing it

[hushed egret]

good argument for all 3, but malice is relying a little more on chance

[marble crater]

Just barrel your entire team, then you have the next horde for yourself, easy penance

[lethal lagoon]

[supple dock]

LMAO

[lethal lagoon]

[upper sun]

bodyblock your team at vigil station end event

[supple dock]

I'm at like 427 barrel kills

[marble crater]

Team kills? That's really impressive

[supple dock]

I wish

I wanna be known as a fucking menace

[lethal lagoon]

Hidden Penance for killing teammates with barrels. You get an unremoveable title that adds "-chan" to your username.

[marble crater]

251 so far

[lethal lagoon]

I don't want to check

Cause then I'll know how far I am

I wish barrel kills counted killing myself with them

[upper sun]

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-killing-team-what-red-vs-blue-gif-8030505

nah its just "team killing <cant say that word here>chan"

[marble crater]

Lights out missions are really not that lights out when you have 1 purgatus and 2 blaze traumas on the team

[bold cape]

lights out is probably my least favorite modifier

was novel at first but now its just a mild annoyance + hurts my eyes

[marble crater]

Still waiting for my chance to play the smelter end event with lights out

[upper sun]

lights out is fun FUN

[bold cape]

yea i think imma use void over trauma for now
i love trauma playstyle but like, without the flak it kinda hurts to use sometimes

[rigid sky]

Yeah accessibility nightmare for me

[marble crater]

Yes, you are missing 25% damage against almost everything you are attacking with trauma

[rigid sky]

Eventually use both \o/

Best two staves for satisfaction imo

[marble crater]

Surge is satisfying too

[dusk void]

You’re insane

[supple dock]

lights out is pretty fun, agreed

[lyric burrow]

lights out is a good way to make me alt f4 out of DT

[supple dock]

Everything looks so different that you can easily get lost because the difference between light and no light is massive lmao

[upper sun]

bruh just bring an auto gun

[lyric burrow]

the atmosphere was cool the first time i did it and then i never wanted to do it again

[supple dock]

Like driving down a familiar road during a time of day you normally don't, like at night. The path looks fucking alien

[upper sun]

i legit had one of these moments in cooling rod mission during the event where all the randos worked like a perfect mission

we went to a cornor and took turns lighting up the room for eachother while the other person was reloading

it was peak teamwork

[bold cape]

eventually..

surely the update will fix my issues and ill have a good trauma

[lethal lagoon]

It's so wild looking back and remembering all the times I drove at like 2-3 a.m.

I can't do that no more.

[supple dock]

v.v

[marble crater]

Who is ready for a brick?

[cinder moon]

make an offering to the tech priests

[upper sun]

NOOO

curse them and praise the emperor

[marble crater]

Oh well, update will fix it

If I could combine all my surge staves, I would have a god roll

[upper sun]

tell us which you did so we can do the opposite

[marble crater]

I did neither, now you have to do both

[upper sun]

fuck

[stiff falcon]

buy and not upgrade

[marble crater]

Too late, already bricked

[stiff falcon]

and hope they fix crafting

[marble crater]

I do have a great Surge, but Flurry is only t3

[upper sun]

oh noooo how can you survive

[marble crater]

Would be nice to have all t4, just for the satisfaction

[upper sun]

thats like 1.5% slower than a t3

[marble crater]

Literally unplayable

[eager token]

fix crafting so i can dump this 100k plasteel somewhere

[upper sun]

dump it into my bank account

[eager token]

no

[upper sun]

wow rude

[raw coral]

You fuckin rock dude, thank you for being you

[bold cape]

i wonder if i should save any good grays from brunts for the update or just upgrade them now

cause i got this but i know hadron is gonna brick it

[upper sun]

tbh i say camp the hourly store and keep the dockets

[upper sun]

i rolled a couple of great basses already but im saving some

so maybe do like 50-50

that way youll be ahead no matter what they do

[bold cape]

true
ive upgraded every other psword and got supercharged like 3 times in a row

have not encountered cycler or momentum yet

[upper sun]

pcycler took me 10k

brutal off melk and no sunder yet

[bold cape]

its so cool
therefore i have to use it

[upper sun]

shovels are so nice

[bold cape]

i got the plugin but rarely check it cause i just forget lmao

[upper sun]

done with vet melee

[bold cape]

damn thats nice

[upper sun]

i like elite as a second blessing

[bold cape]

i run unyielding carapace but i only use my surge for ep smite

@lethal lagoon blame this guy
havent used it in a while

void is my beloved now

i wanted trauma but hadron said no

she gave me a different kind of trauma instead

i stopped using it around the time i started to do auric damn/mael

[shy pewter]

Just curious what you think they might do that having an unrolled base would be bad

I have... so many bases lol

[bold cape]

maybe they reset locks or something so you would want upgraded weapons

[upper sun]

idk maybe they reduce the cost of rolling

[bold cape]

hopefully they clarify in a devblog before the update

[upper sun]

personally im just gonna keep the game running from 10 oclock

so when the update rolls out im still in the old version tho idk if they force everyone to restart or something

[bold cape]

thats a smart idea actually
i remember a couple weeks ago a hotfix came out or something, and when i tried to invite my friend it said "not same version" for them and i had to restart to update
so maybe?

[shy pewter]

If they reduce the cost of rolling, I don't wanna spend a bunch more now rolling them. And if they only reset the locks once at the patch, that is very dumb and solves nothing lol. I have plenty of things that would benefit from that now anyway

[bold cape]

well they wouldnt only reset the locks
just saying they might do it alongside everything else

[upper sun]

i also did that

i changed some perks/blessings on fully bricked weapons

[bold cape]

might do that as well

[shy pewter]

That seems excessive tbh. Did they do something like that in VT to make people think that?

[bold cape]

wasnt around long enough to know

[upper sun]

nope but im so sick of the crafting already im willing to do anything to reduce its effect

[bold cape]

yep
and i havent even been playing that long lmao

[shy pewter]

Lol I feel that sentiment at least

[bold cape]

190 hours and im already so done with it

[shy pewter]

Idk I'm at a point where if they rework crafting but it's dumb, I'm just done playing the game. So I'm sitting on what I have

[bold cape]

yea ive made the decision of putting down the game if the update aint good

like im already tackling the hardest content, ive seen what there is to see, im just playing to have fun at this point
and i need build variety to keep up that fun
but if im just going to be repeatedly punished for trying to seek out that variety, imma stop playing

[shy pewter]

Like everyone putting up with the games bullshit long enough to care about crafting has godrolls of everything they want. So to make crafting still difficult for people to get the weapons they want is just dumb and hurts the casual people

And that, yes. I want variety but I don't want to have to play a slot machine for 10 hours to try the build I want

[bold cape]

exactly

[bold cape]

i want to play the game because it is fun, not because i need chips to gamble at the casino for builds

[bold cape]

this is a mastercrafted meme

[upper sun]

thx

[shy pewter]

This game is the only example I can think of of a game dev rubbing shit all over a diamond. Usually devs are polishing up turds to a shine

[upper sun]

man everything that actively stops me from playing a mission is shit

[lethal lagoon]

You can't blame me, I know not what I do

[upper sun]

mourningstar? shit crafting? shit

[bold cape]

so many mods should be basegame tbh
like i can load into the game in under 10 seconds, why isnt that possible normally?
i have hotkeys for all the different stations just like in vt2, why isnt that possible normally?
etc

hell i dont even load into the ship, ever

[shy pewter]

I got psych ward hundreds of hours ago and I barely ever load the Mourningstar anymore

Probably saved me like 100 hours of load screens

[analog agate]

I love that mod. And it crashes me more often than not when trying to start a mission.

[bold cape]

ayy melk has psword brutal momentum 3

now i need pcycler 4
pls game

[shy pewter]

Lol yup same. But I'd rather deal with that than the gd Mourningstar

[bold cape]

look i know you want to give me supercharged hadron but i NEED this

aaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAA i regret everything

moment of weakness
now im broke

game sucks

how do you mean to tell me you gave me THREE brutal momentum ivs but not a SINGLE pcycler

[lethal lagoon]

There's a build that's basically the same with greys or meta gear, all hail the lord, EP smite shriek

(seriously why is this build in the game)

[light belfry]

should i grab this staff from mr melk? the atheneum says crit bonus isnt that big a deal but missing 3% crit chance hurts my heart a little bit

[bold cape]

fuck it ill take it

pcycler 4 can die
im not gettin it

[lethal lagoon]

fairly close to perfect in my book

[shy pewter]

Pc4 makes it better but it's honestly still strong without PC at all so go for it

[bold cape]

woo finally playable vet

[lethal lagoon]

If it makes you feel better, the third light attack combo isn't as good as the first two swings.

That's what I tell myself everytime I us psword

[bold cape]

i was literally thinking that

[shy pewter]

LOL been there. Sorry friend

[lethal lagoon]

[bold cape]

absolute copium but whatever

[lethal lagoon]

For you

[shy pewter]

I once blew almost 20k plasteel in a frenzy while hunting for Pinpoint Target T4 on the Ogryn GG

I got it, but in my post-nut clarity I had regrets

[bold cape]

i was just like "fuck it one more, fuck it one more, fuck it one more"
now i have pcycler 3

im mildly offended it gave me brutal like 5 times

gambling is not good kids

[lethal lagoon]

You know I was a little worried how they would fix crafting without invalidating all of people's work.

But now I'm just thinking

Burn it down

[bold cape]

fuck people's work
its not work
its just luck
bring down the casino

[split lance]

i gambled last nightn

i did not win

[light belfry]

im gambling for blazing spirit right now

not winning

[split lance]

saame

[light belfry]

thought the pain would be over once i got a trauma with good stats and 2 good things

nope

[hardy raft]

i hate this

[bold cape]

and now what to put on my vet curios
then im done

[hardy raft]

toughness 3 or i do health toughness and stamina

[split lance]

what chnage

[runic kiln]

id change the 3 perks to Toughness regen, stamina regen and freechoice. I like bonus toughness but yolo you do you

[split lance]

i was wondering if bro knew something we didnt

[runic kiln]

get a new curio c:

[lethal lagoon]

No, he has a point.

Leave the curio as mission reward so you can get a different curio

curio as mission reward, and coin gain, and then gunner res or something.

Make it a farming curio

no wait, if it's farming curio, sprint effiency, curio as mission reward, docket gain

[split lance]

I’m gonna

[austere crest]

who ever this person was on reddit deserves a medal

[eager token]

democracy

can someone explain the math behind weakspot damage perk being bad again

[lethal lagoon]

100 damage, 150 weakspot, You expect 165, you get 155.

[wind spruce]

What atlas said, plus if you already have other weakspot damage bonuses it does even less percentage wise.

200 damage. 300 weakspot.

Add Disrupt Destiny at 10 stacks giving 25% weakspot damage, and you're at 325.

Add the perk and you're at a whopping 335, or 2.29% increase.

[potent echo]

Vs +25% vs anything, 150 becomes 187.5

So just take 25% vs (armor type)

[lethal lagoon]

[light belfry]

its because, as i understand, it increasese the DIFFERENCE between the normal and weakspot hits. so it doesnt increase the total damage of the hit that is a weakspot, it increases the bonus damage that comes from it being a weakspot

its dumb

it can be strong in high volumes like precog, mercy killer, the zealot talent etc but its really insignificant as a perk

mostly relies on really weakspot specific weapons too

[eager token]

ooooo ic ic

[dreamy bramble]

Weakspot damage bonus also works with critical headshots. Also, weakspot and crit damage add with each other for critical headshots.

Disrupt destiny can provide 4.5% crit weakspot damage per stack (2.5% weakspot dmg + 2% crit damage). At 15 stacks, you're looking at +67.5% critical weakspot dmg. Do not forget, the dmg bonus from diseupt destiny is still multiplicative with this dmg, and you get +15% dmg bonus from 15 stacks of DD.

Take an Illisi force sword, with 15 stacks of disrupt destiny, you can deal a little over 1200 dmg against unarmored targets with a critting heavy headshot, so 200 dmg away from one-shotting a dreg gunner. This is without any additional perks or blessing bonuses.

[light belfry]

yes disrupt destiny is goated

that wouldve been a better example

i mostly think of it as the shoot the glowies keystone

does anyone know if it works like this in vermintide? i remember taking assassin and similar stuff often because i liked weapons like rapier, elf spear etc and i never heard about weakspot damage working weirdly

[narrow herald]

is this good with smite/surge?

[hearty oak]

I think so. Like if it's my last point to spend and I have everything I need, then go for it. But it's nothing spectacular

Surge generates a ton of peril so. Could be a nice addition

[potent echo]

No, I rather get +15 toughness

[hardy raft]

all psyker's toughness nodes are generally a good pick tbh

[potent echo]

In psyker builds you almost don't have extra points to put into that

Unless it's one of those EP smite builds where you don't take quell speed or true aim

Then perhaps

[eager token]

warp expenditure is just a nice to have if anything

it’s not that good

[shy willow]

Alright

Who the hell were the 3 other psykers I started that excise vault game with

[untold niche]

GG is hell to buiild for.
I hope yours can one tap muties.

[shy pewter]

It can with stacks of pinpoint

[potent echo]

I never managed to one tap mutants

Even with 79% both rolls and max pinpoint

Do you need like +specials or +maniac or smth

Either that or you need the rending buff

[untold niche]

i bthink you need meaniac yeah

b ut even then iirc its a godroll

[potent echo]

I just save myself the pinpoint trouble and shoot twice

Reload cancel with GG makes it not so bad

[split lance]

can i get some luck

im bouta roll for a better trauma

[potent echo]

No

[split lance]

im gonna touch you

shit

WAIT

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO

[hardy raft]

least you got half the soulblaze build

[split lance]

is 3 the best or is there a 4

[hardy raft]

best

only one there

[split lance]

ty

[hardy raft]

soulblaze trauma has "issues" cause blazing sprit only goes up to 6

but its still great AoE option

[split lance]

its okay i have issues too

[hardy raft]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-run-naked-funny-gif-18082679885906165021

[split lance]

welp, didnt roll a staff

[stiff falcon]

Why do Redditors think the knife sucks man

[split lance]

time to get moneys

[hardy raft]

i had a whole korean debate on #zealot-class about lacerate knife

:teeth;

[stiff falcon]

Lacerate worse than flesh tearer and both worse than my baby uncanny

[hardy raft]

uncanny lacerate btw

its kinda the thing in korean community

[stiff falcon]

Riposte on zealot

For crit regen

[hardy raft]

people view riposite bad here

its wierd

seeing how our lil community has so much different opinions about this

[split lance]

i hate that i cant do SHIT to bosses

[stiff falcon]

Ivanotic is my zealot

[split lance]

assail, rending trauma and illisi, how can i do ANY meaningful boss dmg

[stiff falcon]

It’s peak for a meme build

Click four times get another charge of ult

Time to get blocked by another Redditor for telling them it’s their problem

[bold cape]

i really like shred and riposte
shred for anything i swing into hordes often, riposte for anything that takes a bit more precision/single target, ie ds4

[bold cape]

getting blocked on reddit is like a badge of honor

tho the biggest honor is probably never actually using reddit

[stiff falcon]

Blud plays malice

[bold cape]

literally anything is viable and good on malice

[stiff falcon]

Absolutely clueless

[bold cape]

knife users are either the best mfs ive played with or abandon team, die, and leave

[bold cape]

also without context ive no idea what this person is going on about lmao

[stiff falcon]

Can’t name and shame here unfortunately

[stiff falcon]

I’ll only abandon a team when it’s going to wipe if I stay and help

[worn beacon]

Fellas, what would be the most generic ass gunker build sheet look like?

[stiff falcon]

I’ll name and shame myself

[stiff falcon]

Copy @verbal thistle bio link

[ashen schooner]

all right till final branches then go whichever is quick basic build

[sacred crane]

i like how the mauler's weakspot is the head, yet you deal more damage to them by attacking the torso

[bold cape]

finesse weapons my beloved, ain’t got no time to aim for the body

[split lance]

work for blaze?

[karmic finch]

@split lance it's ok...

Radius you really want max or very close, charge rate is ok but again could be higher.

Warp resist is the best dump stat imo, more peril means more toughness, so it's better to have low resistance and high quell rather than the opposite.

[split lance]

ah ok ty

its been sol

sold

[karmic finch]

Damage is an ok dump stat also

In general I would aim for 75+ charge rate and radius, 70+ quell speed, and like 360+ overall

If you run the other build you can use the charge rate blessing, so then charge rate is fine down to like 70 (but it's still better to dump stat warp resist)

Low warp resist and high quell speed does lead to a spicier playstyle as you will cycle peril much more.

But if you are using surge staff at all you will be used to that and trauma should be fine in comparison.

[bold cape]

this is what i like to run
im not sure if its perfect, but it gets the job done and it gets it done well so thats all that matters to me

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c427278-8535-488a-93e7-ddf7e59007bc/alyx-gunker

[worn beacon]

Oh hey I run the exact same setup

[bold cape]

hell yeah

[worn beacon]

Also I got a situation here with my DS4

[bold cape]

[worn beacon]

Hadron gave me infested and elite dmg paired with riposte and precog

You think if I swap out precog and infested it's not gonna be bad?

[bold cape]

probably not, uncanny and a crit blessing are the important bits
like you can still hit the 2 hit crusher breakpoint without carapace iirc

[worn beacon]

I mean I could do carapace and elite

Would be funny

[bold cape]

and mine ain’t perfect, i don’t have maniac on it
still 10/10 weapon

[worn beacon]

It's either maniac or carapace on mine

[bold cape]

personal preference

[worn beacon]

Instead of infested

[bold cape]

i poke carapace a shit ton so

[worn beacon]

I know maniac gives oneshot bp for mutants

But I don't hit mutants in the head that much tbf

[bold cape]

mutants don’t pose as big a threat to me anyway
the bp is probably nice but

[worn beacon]

Yeah I'll go elite/carapace

[stiff falcon]

No assail

[bold cape]

assail good but id rather have psykinetics aura on gunker
just me tho

[worn beacon]

Smite is niche but when that niche situation comes

[karmic finch]

Mutant damage is so useful for the mutant modifier in maelstrom though, otherwise they are such meat sacks to clean up

[worn beacon]

Like game dropping 8 bulwarks/crushers

[stiff falcon]

I see mutant modifier I don’t play mutant modifier

[bold cape]

i use smite maybe once every 3 games
but yeah when it’s applicable it works

[stiff falcon]

Not enough dockets to be worth the cringe instant death if you miss one dodge

[worn beacon]

I use it mainly to build up peril

[karmic finch]

Stand by a wall, get lobbed out of trouble

Ezpz

[stiff falcon]

Get lobbed into fire

Instant die

3vegs or J7s only

J7s for 110k dockets ez

[bold cape]

scriers gaze has such good uptime alongside prescience & psykinetics aura im basically high peril all the time anyway

i might start running docket curios
getting to the point where im running out of them faster than mats

[stiff falcon]

I’ll never run out of mats

170k plasteel

6.3m dockets

[regal jasper]

Are you the one with winter? i can’t remember

[bold cape]

cries in new player

[stiff falcon]

I also never craft

Ain’t worth it

[worn beacon]

How do I manage to outdamage everyone in melee as gunker

Am I playing gunker wrong

[stiff falcon]

Gunker op

Probably the most op currently

[bold cape]

no
ds4 + sg + dd is just that good

[worn beacon]

Of all things gunker makes me feel like I am playing vermintide

[stiff falcon]

I got more damage using assail in one mission than the rest of my team combined

[lapis violet]

do you really do ds4? i fucking hate the moveset

[stiff falcon]

EU aurics are uhh interesting

[worn beacon]

Assail stole all kills obviously

[stiff falcon]

It’s stupid strong

[bold cape]

my highest is 1m with voidstrike

[worn beacon]

DS4 is really fun to use imho

[bold cape]

yup
i love the weapon

[stiff falcon]

My highest was a 2 hour 3veg and did 5m

[lapis violet]

like, obviously the heavy is, but the lights are so garbage it hurts me physically

and this is coming from a knife light spammer

[stiff falcon]

Eventually my hands couldn’t move anymore

[bold cape]

swish swish lights and poke poke heavies? very good

[lapis violet]

they're bad swish swish

[stiff falcon]

Lights are decent using uncanny

[bold cape]

reminiscent of the rapier in vt2, of which i used extensively

[lapis violet]

they're supposed to absolutely shred through enemies or bleed them up so bad they die

not whack whack

[stiff falcon]

Heavies one shot with dd stacks

[bold cape]

my ds4 lights absolutely shred through enemies
on my gunker anyway

[stiff falcon]

Only weapon in the game that can guaranteed one shot mutants

Outside of power weapons but icky no mobility

[bold cape]

im so happy i finally got a decent psword

psword6 moveset is amazing

and it’s just cool

[light belfry]

got the fucker

[bold cape]

nice
now enjoy finding a trauma staff with a good roll, warp nexus, flak, and crit chance lmao

[stiff falcon]

Hehe

I have a good one

[light belfry]

like this

[bold cape]

yea you fucker
i dumped all my shit into it

[light belfry]

i got this like 2 days ago and i crafted 10 more traumas

looking for blazing spirit

[bold cape]

https://tenor.com/view/umm-wait-nathan-fillion-gif-4809231

[bold cape]

the crafting update will come
and i will have my trauma
(surely)

[regal jasper]

Wait will the crafting update change our current stuff?

Ill cry if my babies change

This is my tried and true

[ivory wharf]

well vet is fun and all but i think i might give pysker a try

[lapis violet]

you lvl 30 yet?

[ivory wharf]

yes i am

[lapis violet]

what do you play or want to play

[ivory wharf]

the dome shield has done good by me so far plus using a surge staff rn while the blessings and perks i have on it aint the best it will do for the time being

[lapis violet]

fun stuff

love bubble with flame staff

[ivory wharf]

What sort of psyker play styles are there

Because like being able to keep the team safe while also dealing some reasonable damage auric level of cause

[karmic finch]

Flame staff is worse at burning things than burning shout though

I've gotten more warpfire damage with my surge staff build than people using purgatus all game...

[lapis violet]

burning shout happens less often and needs higher peril to work

and you cant have bubble with shriek

[karmic finch]

Burning shout, warp charge build, cooldown reduction curios, cooldown reduction aura, cooldown reduction on elite kills

[lapis violet]

all kinds
of build

all kinds

[karmic finch]

You shout all the time

[lapis violet]

bubble

shriek=no bubble

want bubble? no shriek

[karmic finch]

But purgatus = no long range option

[lapis violet]

?

you have purgatus

[radiant frigate]

🅱️urgatus

[karmic finch]

You need the bubble because you are terrible at clearing up ranged enemies

[lapis violet]

you dont run smite if you run purgatus

[sacred crane]

BB:

ALWAYS TAKE BB WITH PURG

[radiant frigate]

headsplosion has plenty of range

[karmic finch]

Well yes, but has high ttk and can't effectively kill packs of non elite ranged unit

If you take the empowered psionics you're basically just patching up holes in a sinking ship

[lapis violet]

assail if you dont like boss dmg

[ivory wharf]

.....welp that hurt my pride yes im not the best at psyker seeing as im a vet main but i'd like to give psyker a try

[lapis violet]

this is such a bad mentality to have actually

[sacred crane]

You use BB with purg to pick off snipers or gunners from afar, if you get in close range with purg on elite packs, they are basically no longer a threat with the constant stagger of purg m1

[karmic finch]

Not terrible due to skill, terrible due to taking purgatus

Not attacking the player, purgatus is garbage right now

[radiant frigate]

weird take but ok

[karmic finch]

It's the worst staff by a mile

[lapis violet]

he doesnt run purg, i do

[karmic finch]

And requires a huge amount of build adjustments to make it ok

[ivory wharf]

oh i'm using the surge staff

[lapis violet]

and even if he did, the build works well

[sacred crane]

Idk I've been carrying lobbies with it and I like it

[lapis violet]

lots of cc, dots, horde clear, anti ranged

if you run the build of brain burst, bubble, purg, ep

[radiant frigate]

i am not a big purgatus fan

because it mostly operates within illisi range

[stiff falcon]

Noob trap

Here’s my fire stick

[karmic finch]

For cc it's outdone by trauma (and by a lot).

For horde clear it's possibly the best, but trauma and void strike are easily good enough, surge can manage with small build adjustments.

Anti ranged? You are forced into BB, and that feels bad unless you take more stuff to make it feel good, either forcing you to take empowered psionics, or rely on the short buff to charge speed when you put down bubble.

The only really big stand out advantage of purgatus is boss damage. On every other metric the strength is either not relevant to how games play out, or superceded.

Oh or take assail, that is ok, but can have issues, I think it's better than BB

[lapis violet]

it does not have the advantage of boss dmg huh?

[karmic finch]

Purgatus stacks to full, then bb

[stiff falcon]

It can, depends how you play it

[karmic finch]

Only gunker can out DPS purgatus

[lapis violet]

thats a bb thing then

[karmic finch]

Well, no, it's purgatus and BB

[radiant frigate]

burgertus and assail sounds pretty good actually

[stiff falcon]

EP smite is better than purg

[karmic finch]

You swap back to keep stacks up every now and again

[stiff falcon]

By a lot

[radiant frigate]

can take out snipers, gunners

burgertus has good boss damage i am told

[stiff falcon]

Not that good

[radiant frigate]

not that good compared to other psyker options or not that good compared to other classes?

[karmic finch]

Purge boss DPS isn't huge, but purge boss DPS from the stacks, then swapping to BB DPS, means you deal both...

I'm not arguing to flamethrower the boss the whole time

It does end up being top staff DPS against the bosses

Except maybe a lucky void strike build with crits, surge blessing, and headshots

Gunker is by far more DPS lol...

[radiant frigate]

i don't consider gunker

i picked this class specifically to dodge using a gun

[karmic finch]

Trauma is S tier, surge is A tier but more fun so I play it, void strike is also A tier, purgatus is E tier.

It needs buffs, I want it to get buffs

[marble crater]

E tier is crazy

[potent echo]

My only gun build is also my EP smite build

[sacred crane]

Purg is more like a B tier, there are far worse options for psyker to use

[radiant frigate]

really weird thing to say since DT flamers are in a much better spot than vt2 flamers

[worn beacon]

Wait purgatus got nerfed?

[potent echo]

Purg is easy S tier, don't @ me

Oh wait I forgot my assail Volvo build, fun too

[sacred crane]

Purg is a good staff that is viable and great against everything (except crushers, but just bring deimos or use BB)

[potent echo]

How is that not already S tier

[karmic finch]

And anything more than like 15m...

[rigid sky]

Gunker without DD is like having a birthday without the cake

You just feel older

[sacred crane]

Idk I've been doing very well even at range

[potent echo]

Good against everything except crushers, B tier

[karmic finch]

Purgatus really isn't great against everything too, it can maybe cc anything until someone with a good build helps you clear it up, but that's just like the old smite players...

[potent echo]

No way you can't kill 2000 ragers with smite

[karmic finch]

Trauma would kill them quicker, and doesn't suck Vs armor...

[potent echo]

Purg has infinite cleave and stagger on that

[sacred crane]

But when I run purg, it feels like I'm clearing everything up

Like the only thing I'm not killing good is crushers

[potent echo]

I'll eat my boot if you can fight 20 ragers with trauma quickly without getting hit

[karmic finch]

What, it's easy

[potent echo]

Blasting your own feet doesn't count as fast

[rigid sky]

And even they can be killed with uncanny

[sacred crane]

i mean using purg

[rigid sky]

So do i

Stack a bunch of soulblaze on them

[radiant frigate]

flamerize then stack uncanny

victory

[karmic finch]

High area and charge rate trauma, with the charge rate blessing, and you can just spam your toes and nothing hits you

[rigid sky]

Swap to deimos, special, light attack anything in the head

[worn beacon]

Is penetrating power 64 on DS4 really bad?

[karmic finch]

You can fight like 20 crushers without taking hits on trauma

[rigid sky]

And suddenly your soulblaze gains 100 rending

[potent echo]

No DS4 doesn't care about pen

Because you are running uncanny

[worn beacon]

ok thank god

[potent echo]

Which will give you pen over 100%

For sure

[worn beacon]

Then I got another good ds4 for my second psyker

[karmic finch]

Zerkers? Dead, crushers? Dead, maulers? Dead, clown car of rangers all sat in a bullwark? Dead

That's why trauma is S tier

And it keeps the left click

[worn beacon]

Let's just agree that all staves are good :)

[potent echo]

Coming to discord to agree

Sure I can accept purg below trauma but it's probably only like S+ vs S tier and not like B

[karmic finch]

They should buff secondary on purgatus to do a bit more damage.

They should change the primary to a fireball lob, with a heavy arc, that has an aoe burn on impact.

Basically replace the current function of both primary and secondary with just the secondary. Then give them a decent mid to long range option, ideally without losing the unique aspect of not having the same primary as the other staves

[worn beacon]

I heard that lightning staff is now good too

So I do kinda want to make builds for every staff

[marble crater]

Surge is very nice

[worn beacon]

Since I am 100% done with making the gunker

[marble crater]

Zap zap

[worn beacon]

I assume surge is best paired with illisi?

[karmic finch]

Surge is great, struggles with horde clear (it can do better Vs medium density than people think, but you need some other tool to clear more dense stuff)

[marble crater]

Yea

[spice veldt]

purg doesn't really need more damage though

it inflicts a mediocre DoT but has infinite cleave

[karmic finch]

I take burning shout to patch up that weakness, and cooldown reduction etc

[spice veldt]

the infinite cleave alone is just a major advantage in its favor

[karmic finch]

Don't hold the shout as a panic button if you mismanage peril, use it on cooldown

[spice veldt]

and with a sufficient AoE

[worn beacon]

Purgatus is crowd controller's dream

[karmic finch]

Trauma is just better though

[spice veldt]

i don't dispute that

doesn't make the purg E tier

[worn beacon]

I don't question that

[spice veldt]

i'm speaking as a trauma main btw

all the way from january of last year

trauma has been my main staff for a long while, and I don't need any convincing that it's the best staff

but that does not make the purg a bad staff

[worn beacon]

What about Void?

[spice veldt]

i don't use void so i have no opinions about it

[karmic finch]

Purge is E tier because:

For cc just take trauma.

For aoe damage just take trauma

Requires significant build alterations to clear up the long range weakness.

Can't clear up armor well.

Can't clear up specials well (though does cc then if they are near you, like a trapper)

[spice veldt]

purg and trauma happen to be the staffs that I use so I can compare them

(it's also why you don't see me popping up in discussions about surge)

[karmic finch]

Purge you can't just left click snipe the sniper, or the bomber on a ledge on the other side of the room

Purge requires you lean on BB or assail

[spice veldt]

doesn't require many build alterations when going left or right side patches up the range disadvantage (BB or assail)

[rigid sky]

Go try it, oneshotting Crushers at long range is amazing

[spice veldt]

psyker's tree is so lacking in permutations and you are funneled into BB or assail no matter which side you pick

[spice veldt]

the existence of a better weapon does not solely make a weapon E tier

i have problems with your stated gap between the purg and trauma

not the fact that one is better than the other

[karmic finch]

It's more the build adjustments I don't like

[spice veldt]

i don't really adjust my build to make use of purg

i just run my gunker build with purg and call it a day

or alternatively run a particular assail + venting shriek build that i typically use with trauma

either way, not suiting your playstyle or likings =/= bad weapon

i do not like smite in any way, but it is bedgrudgingly a good weapon

[karmic finch]

It's at best equal, and at worst superceded, by trauma against the various enemy types.

But again, you lose long ranged options from your ranged option...

So you need to patch that up with BB or assail, assail doesn't require much adjustment, but losing the cooldown node is sad.

BB is bad without at least one of the two charge rate buffs, so you either take empowered psionics, or you have to use your ability before BB. Fail to do those and your only long range option is crazy time inefficient.

[ivory wharf]

ummm soooo dumb question whats gunker

[spice veldt]

mf i literally said multiple times that yes trauma is better

why do you keep iterating "trauma is better" as the argument

[karmic finch]

But I am docking a position for each con

[spice veldt]

my main problem is with your stated gap

and i already said that just because a weapon is superseded by another one does not make it a bad weapon

[karmic finch]

If trauma is S, and purgatus is worse at A then sure.

But then enemy too far away? B.

Have to change your tree significantly? C.

Garbage Vs crushers? D.

Garbage Vs mutants and specials at range? E.

[spice veldt]

i'm not using my trauma against mutants in any way shape or form

i do not get the "have to change your tree" complaint
enemies being far away can be handled by not taking smite

you are literally funneled into having to either take assail or BB

no matter what tree you run

[karmic finch]

Surge though can stun them out of the charge, so not just comparing to trauma

[spice veldt]

though if comparing surge and purg, they obviously fulfill very non-overlapping roles

to the point that comparing them is moot

why even bring surge into the conversation

just keep it to trauma vs purg

enemies being far away is not a complaint that i understand because trauma's advantage is somewhat slight

accounting for the epicentre, trauma has a ~22m range at horizontal distance, and purg is ~18 meters

[sacred crane]

the primary is busted asf in my opinion, you can stunlock anything besides ogryns and monsters with it

[karmic finch]

Like, 2 bombers turn up on a railing at the far side of the room, what do?

6 crushers running at you, what do?

Clown car (bulwark and ragers) running at you, what do?

Wide room full of gunners, What do?

Smallish room with ragers and a demonhost, what do? (This is one that surge is garbage for)

Think about the scenarios you get stuck in, and how you deal with those.

[spice veldt]

for bombers, i can swap to BB or assail
for crushers, yes trauma is better (I've already stated that trauma is better than prug)
for gunners, you really can just run in since purg has suppression

with ragers, the LMB exists for a reason

[karmic finch]

Trauma answers the most scenarios, void and surge can deal with most, purgatus consistently relies on other tools...

[spice veldt]

but it's not like relying on other tools is that much of a detriment

[ornate hamlet]

you shoot them or stab them

winning not hard

[potent echo]

Void isnt an auto answer, the charge time really isn't free

[spice veldt]

sure, if you were forced to only use your staff, then obviously trauma is far better

[sacred crane]

Using deimos on crushers
M2 on the clown car
M1 spam on the gunners
Bait out the ragers and m1 or m2 them to death or BB them

[spice veldt]

but realistically, you are not held at gunpoint and forced to only use your staff

in a real game, you are allowed to use your other weapons

[potent echo]

You can get at most 2 full charges off before you get shot to shit

[spice veldt]

weaknesses that can be solved by weapons in your other slots and not having to particularly pick outlandish build choices (e.g., you are always funneled into having the optionto pick BB/Assail, and deimos/ds4 are one of psyker's class melee options) is not something that I would dock a lot of points for

[karmic finch]

Void sucks Vs clown car though for instance.

Every staff has gaps. Purgatus just has the most, and these require significant build choices enforced on you to get ok in those situations.

Gunker also sucks Vs clown car.

[sacred crane]

but purg shreds clown cars?????

also the gaps are barely even big to consider it a horrid weapon, besides deimos and ds4 are always powerful options, even when not using purg

[worn beacon]

This is why you bring smite and hope your allies deal with them

[karmic finch]

YES. So does trauma and surge.

I'm sayin, purgatus struggles in more situations than other staves, mostly due to the max range issues (not having then long range left click of the other 3 staves)

[sacred crane]

honestly, why tryna argue this, always remember that you cannot change people's opinions on things no matter what so what is that point

[spice veldt]

on the other hand, I am saying that you are always funneled into being able to take assail or BB

[sacred crane]

applies to everyone and myself

[spice veldt]

such that the long range issues do not matter as long as you just don't take smite

[karmic finch]

And I was saying, just taking BB isn't an answer

[potent echo]

It's is an answer

[karmic finch]

BB without other choices is garbage, I also think BB needs a buff. Make the baseline better and make the charge speed increases elsewhere worse, to narrow the gap.

[potent echo]

Not the best one but it is

[spice veldt]

it is an answer because i can not think of many situations where you would need a significant amount of DPS beyond the 18 meters (and extending that a little bit when accounting for the fact taht you can move forward) of purg's range

e.g., the occasional sniper

[sacred crane]

BB is in a balanced spot, its meant to pick off enemies, its perfectly fine

[karmic finch]

Snipers, bombers, new bombers, gunners (plenty of maps have very long range engagement ranges)

[spice veldt]

BB seems fine to me as long as i'm not in a premade

sure, and it's sufficient for tackling snipers/bombers

[sacred crane]

BB only takes like 3 seconds to charge and kill an enemy

[spice veldt]

for gunners, I can usually just run into them and purg them

[sacred crane]

THIS

the stagger from m1 just stunlocks them

[spice veldt]

against ranged enemies in particular, I do not get the "purg does not have enough range for them" complaint

it's not even the LMB

it's the suppression, and the RMB has a lot of it

you are deceptively very safe against ranged enemies as long as you can move in close to them
and this is significantly easier now that they removed hitstun while sprinting (w/ toughness) from ranged attacks

[potent echo]

Depends on the room and distance, but yes the suppression is enough to lock down a group of gunners better than smite

Except shotgunners because lol

[karmic finch]

Trauma has a limited range on secondary, but has primary.

Surge has an even more limited range on secondary, and you know how that is balanced? It has a stronger primary, it does more damage by a good margin.

Purgatus has low range as well, and it gets balanced by? Splitting what the secondary should do (cc and damage) into the primary and secondary, and then give it no option for long range.

[spice veldt]

but a lot of engagements happen in the range that purg has

to me, you are overstating how much of a detriment its short range is

[sacred crane]

purgatus is balance by insane close range damage and having high amounts of stagger and suppression

also, the short range isnt even that short

hell i'd consider it more mid range

[spice veldt]

ranged enemies don't do that much damage at longer ranges and suffer from inaccuracy at long ranges

snipers/bombers are sufficiently handled by either BB/assail without particular investment

[karmic finch]

"insane close range damage" I have done more burning damage on burning shout than someone playing purgatus...

It really doesn't do much damage compared to the other staves.

Yes it has better cc, but again, cc alone does not a game win. (And death is the best form of CC).

[sacred crane]

"Building to die" is not good CC at all

[spice veldt]

it's certainly not losing in damage besides against crushers/bulwarks

[sacred crane]

Idk, it kills bulwarks fairly well imo

[verbal thistle]

He asks for a "ass gunker" build and you @ me, smh. My feelings, 😢

[spice veldt]

being unable to deal with crushers/bulwarks in any particular fashion are my main perceived weaknesses of the purg

[karmic finch]

Now I know purgatus does damage directly and from the dot, but for the staff made around doing burning, getting out burned is not a good look

[spice veldt]

ye just the occasional 6 bulwark pack that spawns and is particularly annoying to deal with

[upper sun]

just staff bash them off a ledge

[spice veldt]

yeah and I'm not going to rate a weapon based on pub players

i can very easily declare that many weapons are shit compared to what i use if i base its performance off of how a pubber uses it

[sacred crane]

I base weapons off of Auric Damnation, since that is the mode I play most often

[spice veldt]

pub players are typically not aggressive enough and esp if you're able to apply soulblaze stacks before them

e.g., I can very easily compete in soulblaze on a trauma build of course against a purg pub player

it is not a compelling argument to me

[supple dock]

Pubbies tend to play at a difficulty where your damage just doesn't matter

[karmic finch]

Waves of specialist modifier also frequently spawns in multiple long range specials that need answers or will mess you up.

Hence my question about 2 bombers, any build can deal with one (and if you can't, oh boy please change something), but can you reliably kill 2 before either throw?

Or the sniper modifier lol.

[sacred crane]

yes, you can lol

[upper sun]

sniper modifier is a lot easier than waves of specialists

[spice veldt]

at least with other builds, bombers do get to throw first before i can gank them

[tired estuary]

clearly they should give purgatus infinite range to deal with snipers

[sacred crane]

from someone who using purg build often, its not hard at all

[upper sun]

just go bubble BB you dont even need purge

[spice veldt]

either because they had sightline of another teammate or i just don't notice them in time or they don't care about being in sightline

[worn beacon]

Fellas what perks/blessings should I put on void

[spice veldt]

and for sniper modifiers, sure it's not the best weapon but i can plan around that by just using another build

like, i've already stated that trauma is already the best

and that purg is worse and has weaknesses

but i do not think that it is significant enough to make it E tier

especially when you can trivially patch up its weaknesses in a game where you have 3 weapon slots

[karmic finch]

I suggested above, combine the current primary and secondary into the secondary, give a primary distinct from the other staves but still decent long range, such as a fireball with an aoe impact, that arcs in flight

[tired estuary]

I mean are you picking purge with the one blitz that also can't deal with snipers?

[spice veldt]

and on the class which is able to take ranged options regardless of the skill tree path that you have

its badness is overstated, is what i'm saying

[upper sun]

bruh brain burst breaks vent/power outage you dont need to use a ranged weapon

just hold lmb and shake your mouse around the general area and itll lock to the sniper

[karmic finch]

Surge is the king of low visibility levels, not BB lol

[upper sun]

surge has a max range of what? 35m?

[sacred crane]

true, surge has a max range, also BB is able to take the surge spot and allow you to bring another staff in its place

[supple dock]

surge range is wild

[karmic finch]

We literally just had an argument where people are claiming that there aren't enough engagements beyond 18m for it to be an issues and now you pick a fight with surge?

But fr, you can left click and it one shot headshot crits (and surge is a crit machine so pretty common) so just spam left click at the laser when they aren't hit with the secondary.

More important is that every other enemy in the low visibility mission is dead before you see them at a rate brain burst can only dream of

[upper sun]

i just woke up

[tired estuary]

I also just woke up

what tha fuck am I doing here instead of getting breakfast lmao

[sacred crane]

Another argument: purg is good in dark modifiers because it lights up the area :3

[upper sun]

pizza and an energy drink

id go deimos for stealth crushers purge for hoard and bubble/wall+BB in vent purges i think thats a good opention for power out

besides you cant really light up vent

[empty pendant]

Hi, its been a while since I played psyker, so what is the brr brr meta shit for it atm?

[karmic finch]

But then you don't take surge, and that's a crime.

I want to yo-yo my peril so much it gives people spectating me anxiety because I top off every two seconds.

[sacred crane]

no specific meta tbh

[upper sun]

anything you like

[sacred crane]

not taking surge is a crime?

[empty pendant]

cool, thx

[upper sun]

weapons are a lot better balaanced after patch 13

[worn beacon]

What are dump stats for staves?

[sacred crane]

honestly, about every psyker build is somewhat meta

[potent echo]

There's probably a meta for each playstyle but not a playstyle meta if that makes sense

[sacred crane]

almost always quell speed tbh

[karmic finch]

Peril resit

[upper sun]

warp res for most of them blast radius for void and damage for purge

[worn beacon]

Speaking of void

What are the blessings or perks for it?

[upper sun]

i like crit flak

[worn beacon]

crit?

[karmic finch]

Hiss.

Peril generated is more toughness (even if you only have the roughness on peril quelled).

So make more and vent more.

Peril resist is the better one to dump compared to quell speed.

[lapis violet]

you slept for like 2 hours dude go back to bed

[sacred crane]

Nexus + surge
Nexus + Flurry
Crit, flak, maniac or carapace

[worn beacon]

I got 33 peril resist on my trauma
Is it good

[upper sun]

eu timezone

[lapis violet]

oh in that case its a gyatt amount of sleep

[sacred crane]

quell speed is kinda just nothing to me, plus i always bring solidity except on gunker

[karmic finch]

You got 75+ quell speed and balls of warpfire and you're good

[lapis violet]

personally on my 2nd red bull to wake up better

[worn beacon]

72% quell speed

maybe this trauma isn't that bad then

[karmic finch]

The main thing to check is how many shots can you make after how many ticks of quelling you do

My surge can do 2 minimum charge shots off one tick of quell (though this is super close and I pop often, so will do this when I have a shout available) or two medium charged shots on 2 ticks of quell (much safer lol)

You gotta just learn where you're at with the particular staff

[worn beacon]

Got it

[karmic finch]

You can charge up to 100, but letting the shot go will pop you

[worn beacon]

I gotta find builds for the staves that aren't purgatus

[karmic finch]

If you let a shot go at 99, however much peril it gives you, you won't pop

[lapis violet]

do not mention that word near googly

[karmic finch]

I will often go round corners on 100%, let the shot go then shout immediately

[worn beacon]

I pulled off some void build but considering it's on the darktide builds site most relevant page I am really skeptical

[upper sun]

you can also hold charge vent then shoot

[tired estuary]

the psyker guide pin in this channel is p solid

[worn beacon]

Thank you

[karmic finch]

This, and learn to vent while sliding etc

[upper sun]

no the carpel tunnle is not worth it

[worn beacon]

Oh dw about learning how to slide and shit

Speaking of staves and stuff

I know there's like two trauma playstyles

Fire and whatever else

[lapis violet]

brittleness cast speed

[upper sun]

rending+flurry its not as good

[lapis violet]

very much so

[karmic finch]

Rending and flurry is more comfortable, but much less clear.

Burning doesn't do much against big targets, so performance isn't significantly different against stuff like crushers

Crits mean more damage, warp flurry means more casts, ttk probably about even

[lapis violet]

might need to try a crit flurry, aka a classic combo

[upper sun]

i never tried brittlness before the nerf i wonder what it was like

[karmic finch]

But chaff that gets clipped on the edges will die quick to burning

[karmic finch]

Been hunting for one of these myself, I have a staff for the other two builds already

Brittleness is a weird stat in that a lot of weapons that grant it from a blessing have decent damage to armor.

The things that benefit the most are any weapons that do like 10% to carapace

Like if you do 70% carapace compared to unarmoured, and brittleness 20% is applied, you get 76% damage, or less than 10% uplift.

Something doing 10% damage goes to 28%, so a 180% uplift

[lapis violet]

also not many things that do brittleness that couldnt just straight delete the thing

[karmic finch]

And even then, if your ally has a weapon that's garbage Vs carapace, and you're applying brittleness to carapace, they won't be using that weapon...

They will have swapped to something they have that deals with armor anyway

[lapis violet]

like, why would a hammer zealot care about inflicting brittleness when he can just delete the crusher and let the vet shoot the horde instead of having to make do with dealing like... +20% dmg per shot on tbe crusher?

[worn beacon]

Hm

So basically Brittle/Rending Trauma is more of less single target dps and Fire Trauma is more CC

Is that correct?

[lapis violet]

wrong. other way around

you bump dudes around more when you can cast more often

[tired estuary]

no, like part of the thing with blazing trauma is that crits negate the dmg falloff from edge hits

[lapis violet]

blaze trauma big damage

[tired estuary]

rending flurry trauma you can spam more without having to quell

[upper sun]

cant one shot crushers on hammer without like 3 wounds carap perk or uhhh 10 momentum stacks?

[lapis violet]

you always do thrust anyway

and its unstoppable so who gives

[upper sun]

even with thrust you need chastise+headshot

[lapis violet]

okay but there's the ability

and its a good build that a lot of people do anyway

[upper sun]

i havent seen many hammers tbh

[lapis violet]

thats cuz knife is like miles better

[karmic finch]

Thunder hammers are also overrated, but that's getting into zealot territory.

They are a good choice for monstrous specials, but the heavy eviscerator has taken their spot imo

[upper sun]

even when i play it sometimes i kill everything sometimes die to trash

it can be unwieldy sometimes

[lapis violet]

zealots dont have a chat. #zealot-class is 2nd general

[rigid sky]

Also the other classes all have more flexible boss killing specialisations

gunker, gun lugger, cowboy vet

[worn beacon]

Wait, can I just use DS4 for all builds?

[upper sun]

#zealot-class is #othegamesgeneral

[rigid sky]

all are good at other stuff, hammer zealot is just a hammer.

[upper sun]

yes 100%

[rigid sky]

if you like, but I wouldn't personally

[karmic finch]

This is the problem with hammer

[rigid sky]

Illisi is better for voidstrike and surge from my experience

[worn beacon]

I mean for sure I'd need illisi for surge

[rigid sky]

and I like deimos more for purgatus at least

and I just personally also use deimos for trauma instead too lol

so I'm only using DS4 for my gunker

[karmic finch]

It's bis for killing monsters.

It's B tier or worse Vs everything else.

D tier weapon.

[rigid sky]

but you can use it for any psyker yeah

If I ever pick up the hammer it's gonna be Ironhelm

just so at least I have a bit more flexibility

[upper sun]

defense deimos for purge

[karmic finch]

Actually E is probably unfair to purgatus if I give thunder hammers D, I'll give purgatus D as well, that's fair

[rigid sky]

Uncanny special light stab on deimos can help with dealing with the inevitable crusher blob

if you're running purgatus

[karmic finch]

Take the toothpick (ds4) and just poke them to death though

You can special poke to knock them out of animations too

[rigid sky]

Deimos pokes them to death too if they're not in as great numbers

L1 H2 is really strong too

somewhat more unwieldy than a DS4 though

but on the other hand you get that amazing push attack

[karmic finch]

I like diemos but the best anti crusher weapon in the game being a toothpick is too funny to me not to use

[upper sun]

ye H2 knocks them into another reality anyways if you stagger the crusher comining at you one by one should be fine

[karmic finch]

All the zealots faffing about with thunder hammers charged thrust attacks an I can rock up and poke em in the eye

[rigid sky]

fwiw DS4 can obviously also do the uncanny purgatus trick

but a bit slower iirc

well the zealots can also run a couple of steps and then just spray the crusher with some .22 pellet gun shit

[karmic finch]

Or when vets throw crak nades and get sad when the crusher falls over before popping

[rigid sky]

FotF armour ignoring goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[upper sun]

fotf?

you mean chastise?

[rigid sky]

Hasn't been chastise for a long-ass time but yes lol

[lapis violet]

chastise is the basic version

the upped is called fury of the faithful

(me) (real) (you all are heretics for even considering any zealot info to be wrong)

[upper sun]

fury of the faithful sounds stupid and long

[lapis violet]

fury

just fury

@karmic finch

read it and weep

[karmic finch]

Bubble is strong af

No complaints there

I run bubble trauma

And void strike

[upper sun]

no chastise

[karmic finch]

Surge with shout still deals with a lot of what he was complaining about though, you use it so often and it staggers gunners for a good while

[marble crater]

Bubble is nice and all but: Face my incomparable wrath!

[upper sun]

tbh if you're going that route zealots have far better angry lines

[hardy raft]

does chatisice still give the armor ignorance

[karmic finch]

Every gunner in range of the mighty surge staff zap is killed in one crit if you build right, or 2 normal hits, with chaining anyway

[upper sun]

YOUR DEATH IS OFFERING YOUR DAMNATION ETERNAL

tell me that doesnt make you wanna dive 17 crushers and die

[hardy raft]

also chatisice is fully viable

[karmic finch]

Also you shouldn't have an issue Vs bursters unless you are also being disabled by something else, just push them and they help you

Like, a dog leaps you just before a burster comes in? Sad time.

Otherwise? That's just more horde clear delivered to you

[hardy raft]

dogs and other infested seems to take 1000% damage from burster explosions idk why

[karmic finch]

If you're in a high pressure situation and get a burster it's a good thing, if you're in a low pressure situation and get a burster it's trivial to handle

Bursters are a nuisance at worst and a help at best

[hardy raft]

if you're in a high pressure situation and 5 bursters decide to jump you in 0.3 second intervals there isnt much you can do

[verbal thistle]

Were you able to find a good build?

[karmic finch]

And, credit to purgatus staff, they handle bursters better than anything else in the game (so long as you don't take the 10%bb chance, please don't take that point)

[hardy raft]

i do and its f u n n y

[spice veldt]

i'd give burster handling to trauma though by virtue of being able to just oneshot them

[hardy raft]

eh pushing with range is more useful

you can blow yourself up if you dont position yourself right from the burster

[spice veldt]

you can reliably just oneshot it if you can just aim it unless the burster is on some stairway which is easy enough to avoid happening

[upper sun]

bruh someone is trying to tell me bloodthirsty is "ideal" on illisi

[karmic finch]

Purgatus pushes them a mile and a half. It keeps you safe, it keeps your team safe, even if an ally is going for the push, purgatus won't fuck them up.

[supple dock]

???????????????

[hardy raft]

is bloodtirsty ideal on anything

[spice veldt]

just kill them though

with how big trauma's epicentre is

trauma easily feels much more comfortable to me than purg if a burster is around

[karmic finch]

If an ally goes for the push and you pop with trauma you can catch your ally and they will be mad because they probably had the push down and were dealing with the problem anyway

[spice veldt]

yeah and they're pubs and i haven't blown up a teammate in a long while

[verbal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/cuh-guh-buh-gif-26372267

[karmic finch]

Surge also pushes them, but not as far, it can one hit crit them

Surge and trauma are decent, purge is best against them imo

[upper sun]

its the person that was coping about the crafting system (hes locked to bloodthirsty)

[karmic finch]

But pushing is such a sound strategy that it barely matters

You shouldn't lose a run to bursters

[spice veldt]

though the option to just oneshot them is there

given their propensity of 20x explosive damage taken

[supple dock]

i love surging a pox burster right as someone's about to push it and I'm just sitting there like "pls dont crit pls dont crit"

[upper sun]

why the hell is it that in this fucking game everytime theres a problem you have the audacity to talk about you get 300 different people that say "its not a problem you're just wrong"

"my audio is bugged"
WELL MINE WORKS

[spice veldt]

just that shrimple

[rigid sky]

Bloodthirsty isn't bad on Illisi though honestly

Mettle x number of targets

[supple dock]

It's a statement to confirm a control group

[karmic finch]

It knocks back before killing anyway, so unless the ally is super determined to get a push and keeps running forward, they shouldn't take the hit, but it's safer not to target them if an ally is heading for the push

[upper sun]

"I dont enjoy ragers being undodgable"
"GET GOOD JUST SHOOT THEM LMAO WORKS FOR ME"

[supple dock]

lmao that's what you mean

[lavish glade]

So im rewatching the pysker spotlight class video and in it the pysker has some sort of two handed/heavy sword? Srry for quality was taken from phone in bed

[supple dock]

Yeah they're idiots

[upper sun]

but why this game of all things

[hardy raft]

i dont enjoy them so i fotf them twice and hope im done with them after their stun ends

[supple dock]

you are correct

[upper sun]

i've heard people say the same thing about how dogs were in the before times

[spice veldt]

yeah it's the heavy sword

[upper sun]

i legit ignored ragers on zealot until they removed the hittrack

[hardy raft]

i had to fight them so i put maniac on my rashad, didnt care some saying "yo thats bad", and just swing crazy and stun using fotf and hope they die

[spice veldt]

hittrack =/= undodgeable

[karmic finch]

Ragers are best fought with allies anyway, they hard lock onto one player and will never hit anyone else, unlike maulers etc they are completely single target

[hardy raft]

they had gomugomu hands what do you expect

[hasty breach]

thats the zealot sword. maybe it was shared at one point

[karmic finch]

Unless they change aggro, but that's rare unless invis is happening

[hardy raft]

ogrun ult:

[upper sun]

just spray the entire area with a brauto then continue having fun

[karmic finch]

Kite ragers into your team while killing other things, ezpz solution to them

[upper sun]

[hardy raft]

thats still the best bet but i do that with a hammer

[karmic finch]

If they are aggro on you, run them into your team and they are just sitting ducks for them

[hardy raft]

rashad was fine-ish

[upper sun]

ye i have agri brauto with hammer they seem to work alright together

[karmic finch]

Ragers are probably one of the most likely units to deal damage in a normal run, most other things are way easier to deal with. And ragers are mostly fine it's just when they are stacked on other things.

But again, use your team, it's a team game and ragers are just useless in the face of friendship

[hardy raft]

i think its probably the best you can get

[hardy raft]

3 bombers laying covering fire:

2 trappers doing the classic one-two punch combo

[upper sun]

i dont remember the last time i got his by a rager on psyker

force swords blow them away any staff nukes them

[hardy raft]

cause psyker usually kills them before

[upper sun]

zealots tho its harder

[karmic finch]

Psyker in general is pretty good against them, was more meaning overall

[upper sun]

yeah

[karmic finch]

What I see people take damage from in my runs (auric damnation and maelstrom)