psyker-class

[untold niche]

The stuff you already have?

[upper sun]

ye

i just spent like 700k on surges and hammers

gonna save up a bit

[untold niche]

Iirc you don't like chain axe right

[upper sun]

theyre fine but im not great with them

[untold niche]

( idk I just found them to be an interesting weapon)
Roll something you never bothered rolling for

[upper sun]

🤔

[untold niche]

[upper sun]

ok lemme see

HELBORE 1

[untold niche]

What's that

[round gull]

omg i hate you so much

[upper sun]

BEHOLD

THE ULTIMATE BRICK

[marble crater]

Charge up lasgun

[round gull]

[upper sun]

so apparently im only lucky on ogryn

[untold niche]

No respite on lasgun

[round gull]

lmao,what a mess

[untold niche]

I think that's the one that reminds me of star wars the most

Eeee PEW

PEW PEW

Eeeeew PEW

Clad

Do you use the lock item mod

Thingy

[upper sun]

🤔 whats a good foe-rend ripper

[upper sun]

cant use mods sadly geforce now

[marble crater]

Ask the ogryn bible

[untold niche]

Damn. With that many items how you don't accidentally delete

[restive ice]

by deleting nothing

[upper sun]

im careful when i delete

[marble crater]

I definitely accidentally deleted good bases a few times already

[upper sun]

the stuff i deleted before finding the guides doesnt count so nothing

i dont even wanna think how i got nexus 4 for void/surge/purge

OK we are going with mk 5

ok we're good it was just a fluke

NOOOOOOOOOOO

FUCK

[untold niche]

I thought cavalcade good. But perks shit

[restive ice]

Flechette meme time

[upper sun]

ye it is

[untold niche]

Is OK tell urself "crafting rework will make everything better"

[upper sun]

infested is needed on some ogryn weapons for clear

so thats unironically a fine weapon

[untold niche]

Then no brick

Why you caps

Scammer

[upper sun]

because im pissed off that i only get good stuff on ogryn

[untold niche]

U can donate to me

[upper sun]

i would if i could

[untold niche]

I will ask agent for BT donation

Also if agent online :

For cknife, piety build. Assume God roll, no way to one shot unarmoured ( dreg?) Gunner right?

I tried it in psk and it seemed so but idk if I'm missing anything

Iirc it's only possible with duelist AND crit

With just crits not possible

[lyric burrow]

no you cant youd need help from the tree

well maybe try backstab but i doubt

[ornate hamlet]

dis any gud

think there are 2 laspistols and idk whats good

pog rng gods bless ma thammer

[hollow current]

Ammo a lil low but with raking fire 3 worth rolling and hoping you get lucky on the perk or blessing.

If you have plasters to spare not bad to try and see if you like it.

[ornate hamlet]

sounds like with raking itd be only good with sum stealth shiet

[hollow current]

It’s helpful when enemies are on teammates or retreating trappers/dogs.

Also Beast of nurgle.

Infernus is the only other good second perk iirc and dum dum is always first choice

[ornate hamlet]

i just go with dis

works everywhere

kinda wannaa try other stuff tho

[hollow current]

hey

You’re not a psyker

[ornate hamlet]

wait

this isnt zealot chat

lmao

[hollow current]

https://tenor.com/view/beach-bathtub-im-not-at-the-beach-this-is-bath-tub-gif-17713470

[ornate hamlet]

first time clickin wrong channel

[lethal lagoon]

Average zealot behavior, just rushing ahead without thinking things through

[paper lily]

wdym bro haymaker is a 1 in 5 chance to 1 shot

[lethal lagoon]

I forgot dagger had haymaker. Is it any good on the new dagger since it has "sweeping" heavies?

[strong gulch]

Imagine zealots getting a highlighted enemy mechanic like DD.

[lethal lagoon]

You can prolong stealth by killing the highlighted enemy

[strong gulch]

omg

[paper lily]

after playing multiple variations of knife i think this is the only one i would ever play

i fucking hate primaries that can't deal with 95% of situations and knife was just dogshit at horde

i actually just played a game with 3 others who all had knives

[potent echo]

Knives needs some help from your ranged slot yea

[paper lily]

nah i just use bolter

cba with carapace

https://i.imgur.com/y1abFJP.png here's a game everyone just got 4 knives

all of my strongest builds for zealot just end up having infinite stealth in horde situations

[long wharf]

what's the limit on player blocks?

my new goal is to block every console player I play with post-mission

[restive ice]

[rotund fable]

Well this is an interesting mission reward

[long wharf]

sell it

unless you don't have a ds4 yet

[fathom totem]

With 25% you lose 2 dodges prbly.

[rotund fable]

I already have this, I was just laughing at the stat distribution of that blue one

[fathom totem]

Then in the garbage it goes.

[rotund fable]

Now... If the "dump-stat" for that blue sword was penetration, I would almost consider it

[spice veldt]

you lose a dodge below 50%
the dodges scale from 4 to 6, so 100%/(4 - 6) = 50% ends up being the breakpoint for dodges

I think there was some oddity though

I forget if this was the duelling sword or knife but I was faffing with one of them and got 6 dodges at 84% mobility

[rotund fable]

If you have the anticipation talent you get an extra dodge for free

also, brunt sold me this as a green, and the first concecration gives precog 4...

[fathom totem]

I rather have low cleave. Since i'm head stabbing anyways.

[rotund fable]

Hadron, for once, didnt brick the sword...

Riposte is gonna be swapped to uncanny, but im going to need to see if i can still manage the mutie 1-show with only 20% maniac

Nope... Cant hit the mutie 1-tap breakpoint with only 20% mutie damage

[potent echo]

Pray for crit or do the special to stop them first

But also if you have high DD stacks you can oneshot too

[paper lily]

dont recommend this as ppl with xbox tag aren't necessarily playing on xbox

[long wharf]

it's really easy to tell who is playing with a controller

[upper galleon]

i mean, gyro players who know what they are doing are fine

[paper lily]

this game doesn't really reward snap 360 degree awareness anyway

maybe in a few areas

it's usually just behind or in front

[spice veldt]

50 was the block limit last time i did it

[paper lily]

you have whatever steams block limit is

[potent echo]

Wasn't it 20? For the in-game block

[spice veldt]

the behavior of the in-game block was weird

cuz it would prevent me from blocking people at 40

and then i played a game and some time passed

and then i could block people again

at least for me, i have 50 people currently blocked

[paper lily]

u have to wait for it to populate

before u can block any more

not that it matters, you can just block through steams portal instead

[spice veldt]

mostly psyker players and rumbler ogryns from pre-patch 13

[paper lily]

rumbler still lags the shit out of my game

[spice veldt]

i think it's mostly fine for me

but the grenade box really does stutter the shit out of things

[paper lily]

same w/ grenade

i'm sure it's some graphics setting i'm missing

[potent echo]

Idk if blocking through steam would help in-game matchmaking

[paper lily]

i've never been matched with people i've blocked thru steam

theres a griefer in eu named its daemonhost oclock who would just infinite stealth glitch to a daemonhost piss it off and then leave

[potent echo]

That's crazy

[paper lily]

but yea he's steam blocked and i've never got him in another game

[true lake]

honestly daemonhost wouldnt even be such an issue if it didnt corrupt your health bar in seconds and attack so quickly you dont even get a chance to breath

and maybe if it gave some kind of reward other than a steam achievement

[formal hill]

Imo should have a penance for solo killing a Daemon host after agroing ot

[potent echo]

I think the community will revolt even more if they run anymore griefing penances

[upper galleon]

i mean, it is supposed to be an obstacle/trap

[potent echo]

Unless it's private only

Then its friendless shaming

[lethal lagoon]

[upper galleon]

unless you can oneshot/clear it quickly it isn't worth aggro'ing and it's supposed

[formal hill]

Fuck it we ball

To be fair

You'd have to solo it and it peaces once you're dead

[potent echo]

But your team just -1 everytime someone wants to do it but fail

[formal hill]

You'd have to do it in a private game though

[restive ice]

weaklings die

[formal hill]

Someone hits it once and you fucked

[restive ice]

big deal

[potent echo]

Or people just help you to kill because of course they will

It probably needs to be private like the psyker one

[formal hill]

Yeah it'd literally have to be a private game

Even if it wasn't restricted

It'd have to be anyway

[true lake]

fair but wouldnt hurt to at least make the struggle worth it

[potent echo]

Gib plastel

[formal hill]

Imo it should be a more a massive challenge you decide to do that give a big reward if you can manage it

But still act like a witch at the same time

[potent echo]

Bring back loot die

[true lake]

new mission modifier: oops all daemonhosts

[potent echo]

Make DT VT2 again

[upper galleon]

that would ruin the point, if there was a reward, people would kill it, or at least attempt to

[true lake]

loot die would mean something if we had a chest system, instead we just get one randomly generated item at end of run

[upper galleon]

then it's complaints "omg daemonhost has a reward but my team didn't kill it in time so now we are down one and it vanished"

even if they do adopt the loot die system

[formal hill]

People still kill the daemonhost all the time for fun/a meme

[upper galleon]

DH is unique to DT, it has no vt2 equivalent

[true lake]

worst daemonhost really does is down a person, it aint an end of the world scenario

[supple dock]

finishing the mission is the reward how hard is that for people to understand lmao

[true lake]

unless you are in a huge battle and a guy triggers it

[potent echo]

And give everyone one some purple 🍆

[formal hill]

If it went sicko mode and couldn't be easily instant killed it'd be scarier

[upper galleon]

in auric especially if your team is preoccupied it's completely possibly wipe

high purple on everyone +1 dead

[true lake]

see i would agree but mission complete rewards by themselves are kinda ass

[upper galleon]

idk, ngl, i feel the plasteel+gold>the instant dust boxes

i'd get from vt2

[formal hill]

Emperors gift just a piss bottle on the road

[potent echo]

At least you get emperor rewards every game now

[supple dock]

I tend to aggro DH when she spawns in a shitty spot that's a common boss spawning area

[upper galleon]

but it's, barely better

[potent echo]

It helps you get blessings mainly

[upper galleon]

ehh, there are no shitty spots that you can't avoid if she is still lying down

[supple dock]

It's moreso

If a boss spawns and she's RIGHT behind you

[upper galleon]

now if she is alerted/standing up, you can be fucked by some cringe ass spots

[supple dock]

potentially very dangerous

And it's only for boss spawn locations

[upper galleon]

oh yea that reminds me of a funny thing that happened on my ogryn

got chased by a slug into a DH cause I wasn't paying attention

[true lake]

also i feel like daemonhost has some kind of damage reduction or something because my BB does like nothing to them while every other boss it does plenty of damage

[formal hill]

Generally speaking Daemonhost is a complete joke, unless you have a birth defect team

[upper galleon]

i panic pressed charged and ended up ledging the DH

[supple dock]

LOL

[upper galleon]

depends on the weapons

and how preoccupied your team is

[formal hill]

Usually someone has atleast 1 boss killing kit

[upper galleon]

have a hammer? oh okay easy

team is just carrying non monstro stuff and is busy fighting a horde and a regiment? yea

[supple dock]

and if the person that has her aggro'd can tank/solo her for long enough or well enough

[formal hill]

If everyone has CC then it's already a sad team tbh

[upper galleon]

yee, mostly shieldgryns or defensive zealots/psykers

cc chaining DH isn't always the best withuot damage it's just more purple time

[supple dock]

Yeah as a rule I tend to clear elites/horde before even thinking about the boss unless I'm tanking

[lethal lagoon]

That's so you

[supple dock]

They're just not dangerous

[lethal lagoon]

[supple dock]

WHAT DOES THIS EVEN MEAN

[lethal lagoon]

[upper galleon]

imo they should be more dangerous

but that would make players angry

they already nerfed her to only killing one target (good change)

[formal hill]

They should be casters tbh

Killing one target is fine

[supple dock]

i think giving them all a block ignoring attack would be good

[formal hill]

But she's too easily bullied

[supple dock]

Like the pogryn

[upper galleon]

but she should honestly get some new moves, maybe a nothing personnel kid move

and a proper overhead yea

[supple dock]

Technically they do

Not DH

But eh. Proper heavy hits

Make dodging not optional

[formal hill]

I miss permanently stunning DH with Ogryn

Was so fun

Literally hit her with rocks until she got mad then bully her

[true lake]

why would you want to make them even harder lol

[supple dock]

So they're an actual threat

instead of just a way to make hordes last longer

[true lake]

maybe not a threat to you but definitely a threat to most people

[supple dock]

The ways they'd become more dangerous wouldn't affect those who already get shit on by them

[true lake]

all because you play consistently on highest difficulty doesnt mean everyone else does

[formal hill]

The problem is that technically eventually, they would become not a threat to most people once they advance

[true lake]

i would say if anything that DH is a solution to a non-problem

[formal hill]

They aren't massively hard, just the right build kills them quick

[true lake]

and really has no reason to exist at all

[formal hill]

Skill isn't a factor in that

[supple dock]

DH in the higher skill levels is a test of map knowledge, boss spawns, and boss killing

Taking the risk of passing a DH that's in a boss trigger area

[formal hill]

I mean Dwayne is right, they exist for no real reason, just to be shit on a by a memer TH shroudfield Zealot

Or ledged

[supple dock]

Because even with a good team, and aggro'd daemonhost + normal boss, they're dangerous even to skilled teams

[formal hill]

But why

[upper galleon]

because they should punish teams that trigger them

or well, the player at least

[supple dock]

So they shouldn't exist because a weapon exists specifically to kill them?

[true lake]

arguably you could say they exist to help prevent people who run ahead by themselves and weaken the entire team, but there are multiple points where you are forced to have the entire team to move ahead

[lyric crow]

always worth knocking a dhost of the map with a zealot book

[upper galleon]

lol no, the specials prevent people rushing ahead

[true lake]

which is why i said arguably

no reason for DH to really exist when multiple things do its job for it

[supple dock]

You have to run past Daemonhosts quickly

[formal hill]

It existed before daemonhosts, what I'm saying is, if you have them, you need to make them not easily aced in less than a second through several methods

[lethal lagoon]

Trappers aim better and have worse sound queues when you are alone, fight me.

[upper galleon]

i think if they removed the trouble spots where DH is unavoidable if someone alerted it to standing already

[lethal lagoon]

[supple dock]

...? Wasn't the thunderhammer an added weapon?

[upper galleon]

no,

[lethal lagoon]

No

[formal hill]

No

[supple dock]

Oh

[true lake]

the game before and after DH arent really that different save for you get a little achievement on steam to show you killed a DH

[upper galleon]

ironhelm variant and crusher were added

[lethal lagoon]

The second thammer was added

[supple dock]

oooooh

okay don't mind me

[paper lily]

if there was a penance to solo a dh everyone would just do it with glugger

u don't even have to dodge

[supple dock]

I like the DH's

[formal hill]

What I'm saying is, DH are only a punishment to bad players, it doesn't teach you much other than, your build sucks at killing bosses and you woke up a daemonhost

[paper lily]

nah dh exists as a soft variation of tox gas

[supple dock]

Area of denial and decisionmaking to push at certain times

[paper lily]

mutant charged u? well enjoy a 50% chance of getting chucked into dh

[formal hill]

Very fun

[supple dock]

I mean I think it's fun. It's a risk/reward

[formal hill]

Mutant horde? Out of dodges? Fuck you basically

[upper galleon]

yes

[supple dock]

Mutant horde, DH spawn? Okay, reposition backwards

[upper galleon]

that's kinda what it is supposed to do, slow down the game and force people to play around it

[paper lily]

u can still learn from dh but if ur team is the kind that just lets you die it won't matter

looping is important skill

[formal hill]

You can almost sit on the Daemon host and not piss it off, but you can bet someone shoots it

[true lake]

the funniest part is all the hype they tried to build up for the thing and the very misleading teaser as if it was a super cool new boss fight or something for a mission

[supple dock]

I'm kinda sad that it doesn't have the horror vibe the trailer gave

[paper lily]

they're kinda spooky on lights out

[formal hill]

They're spooky the first time you see one

[supple dock]

I think lights out might be canon

[formal hill]

The 1500th time you see one you Bhop over it

[supple dock]

or at least partially canon

But yeah I was kinda hoping for like a Darkest Dungeon experience

Your characters whispering in terror to each other and such

[formal hill]

Well them saying there was stealth sections and diverging paths in levels was a bit misleading

[true lake]

lights out and ventilation purge would be cool if snipers didnt still have perfect accuracy and lasers that are basically invisible in those modes

[paper lily]

i mean it's just a green thing that whoops your ass

[formal hill]

The sniper laser is even more visible in lights out imo

[paper lily]

ngl i didn't like the change of it only downing one teammate

that's so easy to recover from

[true lake]

it might be i just forgot, i avoid lights out any chance i get

[supple dock]

the goal is to get every player to use the knife to make bosses a joke until bosses get buffed or knives get nerfed

[true lake]

its never a fun modifier

[paper lily]

knives got more problems than random high unyielding modifier

[upper galleon]

this was actually a good nerf

[supple dock]

knives are a problem

[upper galleon]

that is so it focused the punishment mainly on the player who activated it

[spice veldt]

I like it since dhs are still an "avoid this" and it's less frustrating for pubs

[paper lily]

when ppl are running thru maps ignoring 99% of mechanics i think the dmg it does to bosses is the last thing on my mind

[supple dock]

fair enough

knives are just crazy good

[paper lily]

they're worse than every other weapon with the caveat of dodges and speed

[upper galleon]

team still gets some punishment in being down a player and corruption

but it's a bit more fair

[potent echo]

Knives profit much more of there's boss cc

[true lake]

knives are really only as good as the player makes them

[potent echo]

You can just sit there and spam push attacks

If someone is pressing lights on the boss well

[paper lily]

like when ur getting swarmed by just a million bruisers/ragers whatever you know that knife zealot is hitting you with the disappearing guy meme

[supple dock]

lmao

[true lake]

also yeah knives aint doing shit to those

[potent echo]

They need to remember gun

[paper lily]

that's why the only knife i'll ever use is mk6 with haymaker cuz i can ALMOST fight horde

[supple dock]

I am a flesh tearer/riposte guy

though mk 6 as well

[lethal lagoon]

We are just here to clean the toliets, why would we be scared

[paper lily]

my last game was weird

[true lake]

you would think that using a weapon like that would dictate you bring something that could least somewhat help with hordes

[paper lily]

i queued archivum no one in my lobby

so i just ran forward after my bots died and got flamed

[supple dock]

Cleaning the toilets of the combined waste contribution of 5 hab blocks is scary

[paper lily]

when someone connected and got dogged

[lethal lagoon]

[paper lily]

'one of those lobbies huh'

like bro what the fuck do you mean i never had teammates

[lethal lagoon]

Was it a expiring mael?

[paper lily]

nah, it's just late here

[potent echo]

Got flamed... By the bots?

[supple dock]

I'm an expiring mael v.v

[potent echo]

AI nowadays wilding

[paper lily]

nah someone connected and got dogged instantly

then insinuated i was the reason everyone dc'd

[supple dock]

skill issue

[lethal lagoon]

[paper lily]

https://i.imgur.com/usQSzUX.png

[supple dock]

that's the only response to shit talk tbh

[paper lily]

its not like i just ignore shit, im trying to kill everything

i mean, i'm not even gonna fault the guy

99% of lobbies ARE like that

[remote bloom]

Sometimes you can't do everything at once

[supple dock]

SKILL ISSUE

[remote bloom]

Real

Vaccum Capsule

[supple dock]

!

VACUUM CAPSULE

[potent echo]

Vacuum capsule

[formal hill]

Vacuum Capsule

[remote bloom]

I need that mod ngl

[supple dock]

I made another guy mad with my vacuum capsule spam

[remote bloom]

Lmao

[supple dock]

Probably because i have it bound to dodge

[remote bloom]

[paper lily]

cutest psyker runs a voiceline that actually makes my char talk back

kinda annoyed me a bit cuz i thought someone got downed

[supple dock]

LOL

[formal hill]

Someone yelled scriptures in my lobby everytime they sprinted

So I mean

[potent echo]

Y'all cancerous

[supple dock]

She's actually pretty handy with mods

[true lake]

im just sitting here with my egregiously french psyker that blows up people with her mind

[paper lily]

well, that mod in particular is very easy to change

[supple dock]

Yee

[paper lily]

there's a reason vacuum capsule was the one they stuck to originally

even though that one is frowned on

[supple dock]

It's what she told me as well

[supple dock]

lmao not blowing yourself up

[paper lily]

but yeah the specific interaction i had, is precisely why they don't want mods that do that

[supple dock]

I didn't even notice it because I always flicker bottom left but I do see what you mean

[paper lily]

ngl when i first started this game i could never tell people were down cuz i have an ultrawide

[supple dock]

From what I've seen she's been timing that voiceline to not hordes

[paper lily]

and the bounding boxes for the ! icons are in narnia on my screen

[supple dock]

To avoid that issue

[paper lily]

think she did it when she perild herself

[supple dock]

lmao that's funny. but yeah she hasn't done it with me in the past few days

including yesterday

So I think she's decided to not make it distracting

[paper lily]

i honestly don't think anyone who plays auric anything is really gonna give a shit, but if you did that in low difficulty lobbies it'd be bad

[supple dock]

She'll do it in elevators and break periods

Fair enough

[formal hill]

Bro I just realized cutest psyker isn't a character in game

I'm fucked up rn holy

[paper lily]

lmao

[supple dock]

Exclusively plays AM so it's not a big issue

[paper lily]

she's in this disc

[supple dock]

lmao

[formal hill]

I was like these mfs weird as shit

[paper lily]

my psyker is soooo cute

[true lake]

i just have voice chat in game fully muted

too many toxic people

[paper lily]

never ever hear people talk except open mic console xbox shitcan mics

then it just sounds like i'm literally in the darktide dropship going to do my mission

like i can hear the fucking wind outside

[true lake]

i unmuted it once out of curiosity and was yelled at by a vet for taking a deployable ammo box

[paper lily]

idk if you're eu or not but almost no one talks here

[lethal lagoon]

I got to experience what it was like to be a woman on the internet cause some kid thought female character = woman.

[paper lily]

pretty typical of eu in almost every game i've ever played tbf

[true lake]

not eu unfortunately

[supple dock]

EU is a lot more toxic than NA usually

[formal hill]

Bro they're just trying to survive the hurricane

[supple dock]

NA people will usually just open mic to make smalltalk or to make important callouts like an ignored medicae

[formal hill]

I've been called "son of insect"

And bro

[supple dock]

LOL

[formal hill]

I cried laughing

[supple dock]

That's fuckin EPIC

[paper lily]

i'm a dual citizen so i got experience on both sides

na is definitely more social driven at least

eu is mechanics central

[formal hill]

Bro mean incest but was too broken English

I cried

[supple dock]

yeah in NA we're pretty much taught that socializing is the key to be

And if you're bad at it you're weird

[lethal lagoon]

I've played on japanese servers(for a different game) and 99% of people run basically the same meta build. It's pretty interesting. Like it's meta or death.

[paper lily]

i don't like asian gamers stance on metas

[lethal lagoon]

I'd be curious to see japanese darktide servers(if they exist)

[paper lily]

jp darktide is somewhat popular

when we used to play against kr stacks in ow during owl season 1 koreans would just lose to offmeta stuff

they were just so stubborn about 'meta is best' and never practiced anything else

[lethal lagoon]

TBF, the games they dominant, they do so by such a large margin.

Like for RTSs it's like 200 apm vs 800 apm

[paper lily]

cmon now

[lethal lagoon]

Like children versus adults

[paper lily]

that's a bit over the top

westerners can compete in sc

[lethal lagoon]

[paper lily]

even i did, but apm doesn't equal better play in modern rts's because of usability changes

if u have 800 apm in brood war i pray for ur wrists

[lethal lagoon]

[true lake]

rts sweats just make me laugh if anything

[paper lily]

nah rts is like a fighting game but even more intense

i've played competitive rts, fps and fighting games

rts is definitely the hardest

mobas too but they're an offshoot of rts really

[true lake]

i aint saying its easy im just saying its a funny thing to get really good at

[lethal lagoon]

It's funny until the drone wars come

[spice veldt]

who f2'd the drones back

[formal hill]

Bro, everyone knows we're entirely different, we clearly all dont have the same brains as human beings. (Satire btw)

[supple dock]

3 minutes of hyperfocus or 15-50 minutes having to react to different strategies, keeping physically active, create and plot several plans and counterstrategies...

[paper lily]

nah there is a common sentiment in certain genres that westerners are just shit compared to asian players

[supple dock]

SC2 yes

[true lake]

sometimes i wonder what makes asian players so much better at certain genres

[paper lily]

but there was a culture shift in korea when korea made brood war a big thing, the internet wasn't 'huge' like it is today

information didn't spread as quickly

the gap is much smaller than people might think these days

[true lake]

because obviously it isnt a race thing

[supple dock]

At the end of the day it's individual interest

And of course, the foundations of your culture/upbringing

Asian cultures are fucking hardcore

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah I'm mostly meming. It's mostly because the west had and still has to some degree such a massive stigma agaisnt video games

So of course where pro players are celebraties versus the butt of a joke, they are going to be better.

[formal hill]

It's because the west never really had as large of a percentage of the population gaming as the east does

[paper lily]

yeah i mean brood war was an economic boon to korea during a downswing there

[supple dock]

It wasn't until somewhat recently that gaming wasn't seen as a loser's hobby

[formal hill]

Still is to most people

[paper lily]

only now is gaming kind of approaching something legitimate in terms of education etc, i tutor a player in sf6 that plays in collegiate for the game for instance

[supple dock]

Gaming in general is incredibly helpful to motor function, critical thinking, risk assessment..

[lethal lagoon]

Pro college teams for video games is such a trip for me

[paper lily]

same as sports really, just not physical

[formal hill]

Trip where

[paper lily]

it's competition at its core

[lethal lagoon]

Still, it feels like overnight everyone changed their opinion on video games

[paper lily]

think it might be my generation having kids in school tbh

[supple dock]

This

i think it was like..

DotA 2 that really put gaming in the spotlight for the masses

And Counterstrike

[formal hill]

That's how opinions of the public go if your self worth is predicated on the approval of others

[lethal lagoon]

[supple dock]

Oh and League ofc

[lethal lagoon]

I strongly disagree, league yeah.

Dota 2 is fringe as fuck

[paper lily]

its not

[supple dock]

DotA was hosted on ESPN

[paper lily]

dota 2 is huge in europe

[lethal lagoon]

Does the average person know what dota 2 is

They know league though

[supple dock]

no but the average person knows what you look like ben-

[lethal lagoon]

I don't get the joke.

[supple dock]

t over

[lethal lagoon]

Oh, I wish.

[supple dock]

[lethal lagoon]

That'd be a ton of only fans money

[upper galleon]

dota hit it off before league did

[lethal lagoon]

I know, that's kind of what makes it sad

[upper galleon]

dota just never did anythign with it

[paper lily]

league is just a straight up dota rip

[lethal lagoon]

Same thing with counter strike.

[upper galleon]

worse

[paper lily]

and they ran smear campaigns

[lethal lagoon]

Lots of people know valorant, and have no idea it's a counter strike clone.

[paper lily]

riot are actual scumbags for that

[upper galleon]

it's a spin off of people who didn't like certain dota mechanics and now everything is coded as minion and they have ancient code and models in their game next to modern fashion show skins

[supple dock]

udyr v.v

[paper lily]

idk, dota is just infinitely more interesting to me

every item in lol being some boring statstick is just

sooo sleeper

[upper galleon]

denying, micro management, unit selection,

jungle being a resource for a team and not a role like in league

[supple dock]

But some heroes in dota become only as useful as the items in their inventory, League doesn't really have that issue I feel

[upper galleon]

league forcing play positions 1-1-2+jungler

[paper lily]

that's absolutely not true

heroes in dota are almost universally op

[supple dock]

At certain stages of the game yea

[paper lily]

and they're also multi faceted

they don't; need to be played in one lane, or one role even

[upper galleon]

dota 2 lost interest in me becuase the community sucked and now that i've taken a break there is too many changes for me to get back in

[paper lily]

i'm in the same boat, i was really high mmr in dota anyway and the matchmaking was starting to take ages

[upper galleon]

like, league might be soft toxic, but dota 2 is hard toxic when i quit, full blown racism, screaming in mic, i saw it decay from alpha

[supple dock]

Yee. I've played dota. Even got to fairly high ranking, though that was before dota2's official realease, I was in the "high mmr" skill bracket back when it was a mistifying thing

[upper galleon]

i was rank 7 necrophos in NA at one point so there is that

that's all my claim to fame

micro celebrity

[paper lily]

i was rank 3 oracle

played a lot of meepo too

[upper galleon]

never could get into meepo

[supple dock]

fucking meepo

[upper galleon]

liked oracle tho

[supple dock]

I'd say my favorite was nightstalker

felt so good to hunt heroes

[paper lily]

ns got so many buffs over the years

[brazen warren]

meepo, the chad

[paper lily]

pretty sure he can literally fly now

[upper galleon]

rate my hero pool. Necrophos, venomancer, jakiro, bristleback, centaur, vengeful spirit, pugna

[supple dock]

wtf

with uhm

whatever the staff is

[paper lily]

solid picks

[upper galleon]

yea they've done reworks

aghanims?

[supple dock]

yee

Askin

idk

[upper galleon]

i miss old venomancer ult

where i'd run in an poison bomb the enemy

force staff in, ult, euls self

[supple dock]

lmaooo

I was also a big WR player

[upper galleon]

oh and weaver

i learned weaver offlane from watching bulldog

[paper lily]

i played like jug oracle meepo chen ursa sand king luna doom earthshaker ember spirit warlock

i think those are my most played

[upper galleon]

doom is great too

[paper lily]

oh and winter wyvern

[upper galleon]

even tho he's been mini reworked so many times now

rememebr lvl?death

tho i remember when infernal blade was first added and maxing that in melee matchups was deadly

[paper lily]

pretty sure i played him when he had that

[upper galleon]

20% max hp damage dot that lasted 4 seconds and had a 4 second cooldown

[paper lily]

yea and scorched earth was a movement speed steroid

[upper galleon]

yea and firestorm gave hp regen until it gave armor until now it gives movement speed xd

welp, it's back to movement speed again xd

[supple dock]

When I first played DotA. Like my very first handful of games on WC3

[upper galleon]

the minion eating gives armor while "chewing" now

[paper lily]

lol

[upper galleon]

i got the alpha key from playing tf2 as a kid

and that permanently ruined me

[supple dock]

Doombringer was who my brother suggested. I have no idea wtf I was doing items wise but I just bought what he told me then I went like 8/0 - 10/0 for like 9 games

[paper lily]

doom don't care

press r

they're doomed.

[upper galleon]

i should sue valve for my loss school hours and childhood

[paper lily]

oh yeah tide i played the shit out of him too

[upper galleon]

Oh first hero? lifestealer

[supple dock]

Did you know people didn't really fuck with Doom's lvl X death very much? Wanna know how I know that? BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE FREAKING OUT ABOUT IT IN DOTA 2 TOURNAMENTS

[upper galleon]

can't beleive out of all the heroes, they reworked lifestealer to be simpler

[supple dock]

i HELD SKILL POINTS for that shit

[upper galleon]

yee, infernal blade is a nice spiritual successor

[supple dock]

idk that one

[upper galleon]

plus he has a mini stun outside of him getting one from jungle

[supple dock]

??? how?

[upper galleon]

removed open wounds

[paper lily]

lol what

[supple dock]

wtf

[paper lily]

wtf did he get

[supple dock]

the most defining feature of his kit???

[upper galleon]

made it a passive attack speed buff+ movement speed slow on auto attack

[supple dock]

...

So just... shitty nightstalker?

[upper galleon]

ghoulish something

nah, he's still LS

[supple dock]

fair enough

[upper galleon]

rage, % hp damage and healin

[paper lily]

im not gonna lie it's probably because of the prevalence of purges in the game now

[upper galleon]

infest, aghanims lets you infest enemy heroes and you will attack them while inside

[supple dock]

????????????

That's insane wtf

Like faceless void level of impactful

[upper galleon]

aghanims shard (not aghanims scepter, just a 1.3k purchase that becomes available to your team ) gives him open wounds back

[upper galleon]

it does have a time limit when used against enemy heroes

[supple dock]

Well yeah but you get to half hp, infest the carry and profit

or whoever's there. lina

fuck her

[upper galleon]

oh you don't know

how bad it got

lina was mega cancer for a while

[supple dock]

lmao

[upper galleon]

best right clicker cause they added witchbane and shit

[supple dock]

WTF LOL

Lina was mid game champion then fell off so suddenly

[upper galleon]

not wtichbane, witch blade

Causes your next attack to apply a poison for 4 seconds, slowing by 25% and dealing 0.75x your intelligence as damage every second. This attack has True Strike.
Intelligence as Damage per Second: 75%
Move Speed Slow: 25%
Duration: 4
9 second cd

also nice stats
+12 Intelligence
+1.5 Mana Regeneration
+6 Armor
+40 Attack Speed
+300 Projectile Speed

[upper galleon]

yea there was a big issue because nerfing her right click build suddenyl everyone was hooked on her casting build, then that got nerfed and it flip flopped for a few patches, I believe she is stable rn

[supple dock]

true strike...? why?

[upper galleon]

it's when they added universal and wanted right clickers in every attribute to some extent

oh yea

[supple dock]

that's weird

[upper galleon]

universal type

instead of str, agi, int, your character gains damage from all stats at a lesser rate

[supple dock]

..

THATS SO WEIRD

[upper galleon]

31 of the heroes are universal now

basically any of them that weren't tightly bound to their attribute or have flipped between attributes in the past (IE windranger is now universal, used to be agility or intellect)

bane is probably the most notable cause he always had equal stat growth and starting stats

[potent echo]

Is this

Doter

[upper galleon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d44ykdKvCw

tbh, none of the new heroes are especially wild

marci is an mobile universal right clicker, snapfire is grandma with cookies riding a giant flame lizard with a machine gun

muerta is day of the dead ghost, and the premiere right clicking int hero

void spirit is, okay I hate void spirit

[restive ice]

D D D D DOTA

[supple dock]

no idea what the lyrics are but the melody will live forever in my head

[restive ice]

I may not speak banana curry pizza but it is indeed a banger

[lethal lagoon]

Oh man, I think the last time I listened to basshunter was playing league in highschool.

[restive ice]

the amogus makes it look like he has spinning rainbow nipples

[half iron]

i was more of a “i can walk on water” guy myself

[potent echo]

Tide hunter press E haha

Press R to bless this ravaged body

[late night]

should i swap out crit chance

terrifying is gonna get swapped

[supple dock]

tbh?

I'd swap flak for better flak

crit chance is legit on surge

[late night]

i was thinking that as an option too

[supple dock]

And the upgraded flak will probably do nothing substantial (read: at all)

But the flex of having a near perfect weapon is pretty sweet

[late night]

hm gotcha

im gonna leave it as is for now

fiddle in the psyk later

[potent echo]

Crit chance is fine I guess

[lethal lagoon]

Oh man that's tough.

[potent echo]

Nothing much else to change it to other than maybe carapace

[lethal lagoon]

Here's the thing, if you change flak, then the staff is permanently set as flak crit chance.
Alternatively, you have flak maniacs, flak unyielding, flak carpace(for melee mael).

[late night]

yea

lotta options

normally i would try to look at bps

[lethal lagoon]

Hmmm, I guess personally I'd make flak 25% and leave it as a perfect flak staff.

[late night]

but psyker bps are so unreliable

[lethal lagoon]

And if I want other staves, I'd roll more staves

[late night]

fair

[lethal lagoon]

Just depends on how much you play psyker or play in general.

[potent echo]

Flak crit is good enough for general use

[lethal lagoon]

Ah you know, best idea is just to leave the perks alone, and test out if that 20% flak matters.

[supple dock]

yeee. Like I said, having the flex of a near perfect weapon is worth more than the potential extra damage type

[potent echo]

I run flak cara because that's how it rolled on mine

[supple dock]

And to be honest?

Surge shreds everything anyways

except mutants

fuck mutants

[potent echo]

I wouldn't call it shred

[supple dock]

it DEALS with everything FINE

[lethal lagoon]

Two surge rmbing mutants is kinda nice though

stunning

English never

[supple dock]

stunlock city

[potent echo]

It's still like 3 shocks for one mauler

[lethal lagoon]

[supple dock]

You say that like it doesn't also take zealots and ogryns like 5-8 seconds to kill a crusher

not vets cause vets can eat them

and it DEPENDS ON THE OGRYN I KNOW

[potent echo]

Brumo shovel like

[spice veldt]

ogryn railgun

[potent echo]

Takes out 4 in one swing

[supple dock]

lmaoo

but you SEE my point

don't fight me on specifics

[potent echo]

No

[supple dock]

atlas why are you

[lethal lagoon]

I do think that people seem to overly criticize one part of Surge(or smite for that matter) and just kind of ignore how other weapons/abilities have bigger weaknesses and flaws.

Or they look at one tiny part of it.

[plucky flax]

Waking up after a good 7 hours of sleep and still feeling sleepy af. What do?

[potent echo]

Shoot

[supple dock]

Yeah surge and smite are just kinda... good for everything

the weaknesses are easily made up for

and even then the weaknesses aren't severe

[plucky flax]

Run with maniac on surge it can 3 or 4 shots mutie (with 1 crit)

[supple dock]

Every. Day. Of. My. Life.

WHY

Just melee it

wtf

[plucky flax]

But after 2 shots mutie get stunned so it's just ez mode.

[supple dock]

or stun it yeah

[plucky flax]

I do. I kill mutie much more often with illisi.

[supple dock]

like the extra mutie damage does nothing on surge

[plucky flax]

But I run maniac for dreg rager and flamer.

[supple dock]

that's fair

[plucky flax]

Nah it's good on muties wave.

[supple dock]

I just hope to crit them usually

[plucky flax]

The weak mutie can get 1 shot with crit.

[supple dock]

unless you're running BB Assail/Smite should handle mutie waves better

[plucky flax]

My illisi surge smite build i use smite once every 5 games.

[supple dock]

JUST SMITE THEM

[plucky flax]

It's hard.

[supple dock]

skill issue

[lethal lagoon]

[abstract arch]

dont really use sworrds anyways

[supple dock]

little miss "oh i don't use brunt's armory I only buy weapons from the shop"

Fuck you

[abstract arch]

I buy from melk too :P But i dont gamble

mad because youre not part of the 1%

[supple dock]

bruh I am part of the upper dregs of society okay

[abstract arch]

like low middleclass dreg

[supple dock]

Just because I don't exploit child labor doesn't mean I don't have money

[abstract arch]

you cant even afford medicae for your character's vacuum capsule disease

[supple dock]

and by "child labor" i mean sacrifices of children to Khorne

[supple dock]

It's a good thing YOU NEVER TAKE YOURS ANYWAYS

[untold niche]

I tried with everything except dodge and it just couldn't 1 hit

[abstract arch]

im thinking about the poor in need

[supple dock]

You say as I have to run you down with healthboosters

[untold niche]

[supple dock]

I have actually straight up stopped fighting to inject you

[abstract arch]

i dont need to get it myself if i have simpletons like you to do my work for me

[supple dock]

I'm gonna consecrate a dagger and let's see what I get

[supple dock]

You're a danger to yourself and others around you

[abstract arch]

it's very hard work being rich you wouldnt understand

[untold niche]

I put that wmote because man was trolling me

[supple dock]

ok just rolled this

it's actually not bad lmao

[supple dock]

I'm rich in stress from your bullshit don't worry

[abstract arch]

https://tenor.com/view/money-crying-woody-harrelson-wiping-tears-with-money-gif-6945518

[untold niche]

Bricked I feel. Perk both useless. 1 blessing useless

[supple dock]

maniacs is a good perk

riposte is a good blessing

[untold niche]

I dun think you need maniac on cknife

[untold niche]

Yeah I meant the other one. What makes you think I mean riposte xD

[supple dock]

I dunno, makes killing mutants a bit easier

[supple dock]

LOOK MAN IM JUST COVERING THE BASES

[untold niche]

You have other BPs to worry about boss

[untold niche]

I think you high on copium en

[supple dock]

This is my actual knife

[untold niche]

Rn

@lethal lagoon very fitting emote reaction

[supple dock]

wtf

It's a fine knife what's wrong with it

[untold niche]

[supple dock]

LOOK AT THE DAMAGE ON A 77%

[untold niche]

[supple dock]

Sec lemme get the REAL numbers

FIVE DAMAGE

OH NOOOO

fuck you guys

[untold niche]

@abstract arch hi sis please remove thr copium inhaler off this addict

Sorry I had to call your closest family member for emergencies

[supple dock]

step-sibling please don't remove my copium v.v

[untold niche]

Atlas acgual degen for using opposite sides

[supple dock]

v.v

[lethal lagoon]

Sorry, the degen role is already taken by a certain Kirby lover

I don't know where he is, I'll go check the chat history

[untold niche]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-monkey-hitting-someone-sword-13world-reaction-gif-23469319

[supple dock]

oh shit rare find

[untold niche]

Kusu irs ok, you don't need to change thr subject so abruptly

[supple dock]

bruh

my step-sibling @abstract arch and I are gonna tagteam you ok

you will be so fucked up

[untold niche]

🔪🧱

[supple dock]

[serene stream]

what mod do you use for the color coding and information tooltips?

[supple dock]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/210

[abstract arch]

going to have to agree with them step bro if it's not 80 it's not worth it

[supple dock]

I will actually eat you

[untold niche]

[abstract arch]

have some standards if you want to integrate into upper middle class

[untold niche]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-high-five-good-job-russel-madness-gif-17675042

[supple dock]

I'll integrate into your -

wait.

[untold niche]

sexual harrassment

you coming with me to the popo station

[supple dock]

bruh

she harasses me SO MUCH MORE

I have not heard someone who can wink with their voice like she can

[untold niche]

exhibit one

[supple dock]

[untold niche]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-monkey-in-jail-jail-prison-arrested-gif-18240230861216091302

[supple dock]

She's the menace

NOT ME

[untold niche]

exhibit 2

[supple dock]

I BEHAVED MYSELF

You're just seeing one side

[untold niche]

@lethal lagoon do you want to interview the defendant, seeing as you are his lawyer

[lethal lagoon]

I prefer to represent cases I think I can win

[untold niche]

your lawer doesn't evne want to come

[lethal lagoon]

He's guilty your honor.

[untold niche]

guilty as charged

atlas put the judging pepe emote

the square / fat pepe one
the one where he crosses his hands, and is in one of the 4 pewdiepie pepe

[serene stream]

Appreciated

[abstract arch]

why would you say such mean things to me....

[lethal lagoon]

[lethal lagoon]

[supple dock]

you are literally satan reborn

[untold niche]

BEHAVE

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-slap-gif-18550000

[supple dock]

BRUH

https://tenor.com/vGDi.gif

[potent echo]

He's just a little guy

[untold niche]

add 1 count of assault to civil servant

[lethal lagoon]

The guy is actually a pretty famous indian actor now

Kinda cool

[untold niche]

i remember there was some cool story about this i read on 9gag before.

[supple dock]

Yeah he got a lot of legal shit in his favor after that incident right?

[lethal lagoon]

I don't think so? At least the article I read said it fucked his life.

Yeah he was hospitalized after being attacked by the crew.

He couldn't afford to sue.

People refused to hire him.

But the lord of all that is slapped landed on his feet and had some successful roles

[supple dock]

Oh shit that's awful

But good for him

[potent echo]

He got attacked by his crew?

What kind of production is this

[lethal lagoon]

I mean that was still the normal response back then to self-defense of this nature.

[supple dock]

https://tenor.com/bjXEk.gif

that guy, probably

[lethal lagoon]

TBF, the crew probably thought the slap was planned and he overreacted.

Cause that was the nature of the show

But it wasn't, she just hit him.

[lethal lagoon]

He apprently disliked all the people who cheered him on

Man I'm never looking up meme lore again, though at least there was a happy ending.

[supple dock]

Which tells me he's ashamed of his actions? Huh.

[lethal lagoon]

He was bothered by the way they supported his behavior. Not the behavior itself.

Anyways, let's go back to talking about how complete dogshit your dagger is

Honestly

[supple dock]

wtf my dagger is legit top tier

[lethal lagoon]

Top of the garbage pile maybe

Like someone tried to shove it down instead of taking the trash out, but poked themselves on your dagger, so they gave up and left.

So it's just sitting there, king of a rotton pile of trash.

[supple dock]

[lethal lagoon]

👑

[supple dock]

bruh

I'm about to throw hands

[lethal lagoon]

If one those hands has that dagger, I think I'm probably safe.

[lyric burrow]

What dagger we talking about

Oh

[supple dock]

that dagger IS LEGITIMATELY A GOOD WEAPON

[lyric burrow]

Yeah its fine

Not amazing

Certainly usable though

Well depends what you changed ig

[supple dock]

It's legitimately as near perfect for what I'm using it for as I can get

The low damage is a difference of like 5 damage

[lyric burrow]

Oh im looking at the wrong dagger

[supple dock]

@lyric burrow

[lyric burrow]

I dont like riposte/flesh tearer as much on psyker if thats who its for but its a fine blessing combo

[supple dock]

yee, I use it for mobility and boss fighting

and the odd mutant

[lunar hollow]

flesh tearer lacerate

[plucky flax]

Morning working day EU pubs is rough.

[supple dock]

with riposte I'm at a 50% crit chance, I don't need other sources of bleed

[lethal lagoon]

What's a good time for EU pubs

[lunar hollow]

it's not about effectiveness

it's about the style

[spice veldt]

crit chance crit dmg

oop

wrong reply

[supple dock]

i respect it

[plucky flax]

Not sure.. Certainly not weekend too.

[spice veldt]

omw to terrorize midnight pubs while being severely sleep deprived

[lunar hollow]

u mean 3 am pubs

[supple dock]

carry me

[spice veldt]

you mean 12 am

[lunar hollow]

the west coast doesnt exist

[spice veldt]

as a psyker i have never hit the gym and can't possibly carry people

[spice veldt]

delusional

[lyric burrow]

Stop

Bad

[lunar hollow]

gonna make a flesh tearer lacerate knife for the next time we play duos

[supple dock]

ATLAS WHY ARE YOU SHAMING MY KNIFE

[lyric burrow]

No you wont

Josho i want you to know

[spice veldt]

don't tempt him

[lyric burrow]

If you take lacerate flesh tearer

So am i

[calm sapphire]

Btw do u find yourself playing with lots of Xbox pubs or PC pubs

[spice veldt]

wtf

[lunar hollow]

ill swap it at the last second

[spice veldt]

you're as worse as josho

[lyric burrow]

You are not that much of a bitch

[spice veldt]

yes he is

[lunar hollow]

u severely underestimate my gremlin energy

[supple dock]

Challenge: Purchase among the worst weapons in your hourly shop, ranged and melee, and take it into a public AM game

No upgrades

no refining

[lyric burrow]

My degeneracy when it comes to challenge content knows no bounds

[lunar hollow]

i cant take a fleshtearer lacerate knife because ill give yoshi a complex and he'll make me play for 6 hours until we win a mission

[lyric burrow]

When have i ever done this

With you

[supple dock]

it's clearly because he's been stalwart to your advances

[lyric burrow]

Now when i fail something i set out for myself on my own

Yes ill sit there for 10 hours till i do it

[lunar hollow]

i am not getting sucked in to the darktide version of fighting 1 elden ring boss for 5 hours

[plucky flax]

Not sure as gamepass people also have the xbox icon

[lyric burrow]

Thats not even a good example

Cause its one attempt

Ideally

[lunar hollow]

this is not how you defend yourself

[lyric burrow]

I wasnt trying to

[calm sapphire]

No one plays on gamepass fr

[supple dock]

I do not see many controller players in AM if that helps @calm sapphire

[lyric burrow]

I am agreeing with you

Just not that you would get sucked in

I would sit there all day till we complete it yes but if you wouldnt thats fine

I cant exactly duo without the duo partner

[lunar hollow]

im the only thing stopping yoshi from doing a darktide knife special only maelstrom

[lyric burrow]

Ok

Im not that crazy

Eventually fun stops being had

[lunar hollow]

ok mr headtaker shred taxe4

[lyric burrow]

Those were different times

I was trying to make it woek

I accepted the reality

[lunar hollow]

taxe4 is just sad

[lyric burrow]

Yes

[lunar hollow]

did you do the adms for them

[lyric burrow]

Ye

[lunar hollow]

i need to know if the sweep lights and strikedown lights have different crit mods

[lyric burrow]

It would have worked better on zealot but it is what it is

I can check but i forget if i have the base damage in for them yet

[potent echo]

Does the mk6 have strikedown lights at all?

[lunar hollow]

the taxe2 makes me so mad because it has one sweep light

for i think the l2

[potent echo]

O axe

[lunar hollow]

the knife?

[lyric burrow]

Yeah h3 on knife

[lunar hollow]

lights u fool

mk6 doesnt

[lyric burrow]

I do not have the base damage in nor the code in front of me but i might be able to context clue it

Oh my b

[lunar hollow]

the knife l3 is just better than a sweep which is funny

[lyric burrow]

I think they may have similar mods

[potent echo]

I know mk3 has a staby light, I played with H1 H2 L3 for awhile

[lyric burrow]

Fuck it ill check the code

Now its bothering me

[lunar hollow]

h2 l3 should be repeating which is nice because of how fast the l3 is

[lyric burrow]

The heavies should have the same crit mod as the other tac axes tho

[lunar hollow]

the stab has the same cleave but better damage compared to the sweep

[potent echo]

Yea probably the best non PA combo

[lunar hollow]

yea i mean they should be the same profile

but taxe does have two separate light profiles

so im wondering if the sweep lights have worse/different crit adm boosts

[lyric burrow]

Yeah and 4 gets the fuckin

Shitty ones

For some reason

[lunar hollow]

the 4 is entirely made of sweeps