psyker-class

[hearty dagger]

Let's say next week we get an actual good psyker rotation

What y'all hoping for?

Well this week actually but

[upper sun]

toilets

[hearty dagger]

Tbf toilets could look good if they put the entire kitchen sink on there

Like that white rotation one with a helmet and some goggles would go kinda hard

Peak astronaut

[sacred crane]

I wamt exclusise psyker gun

[median sorrel]

peril gun that fires their cerebral spino fluid

they die after using up one clip

[untold niche]

15 stack mommentum + stealthed doesn't even one shot dreg with my cknife

god roll does do it though.

[upper sun]

🤔 r u sure?

[ornate hamlet]

better more interesting staffs

[sacred crane]

Simply quell after every 10 vullets

[ornate hamlet]

yeah who im kidding

maybe the leather jacket

[hearty dagger]

Bruh

[ornate hamlet]

what gimme beam and fireball staff

coruscation can stay away though

though the lmb was pretty lit

only condition

does no dmg to enemies

kills teammates

i love it

im going for the vet first

[hasty breach]

isnt voidstrike fireball staff tho

[ornate hamlet]

yeah but its a straight line

[hasty breach]

except for arc vs line concerns

[supple dock]

if tox gas made the mission timed it'd be much cooler

[ornate hamlet]

i want an arc explosion

[hasty breach]

it has to be for a ranged combat game tbh

[ornate hamlet]

O.o not with the lmb being a pew pew wizard balls

they kinda do that

[ornate hamlet]

your oversaturated with poison

mission failed

[upper sun]

we should be able to call in tactical nukes on kill streaks

[supple dock]

can be used as a tool for the faster pace AM needs

[ornate hamlet]

tactical exterminatus

[supple dock]

Make it a meter that fills when gassed and slowly degens

[ornate hamlet]

just make gas do more dmg

right now its kinda meh

[supple dock]

It prevents the need for a million health stims

[spice veldt]

it's giving +50% toughness regen instead of -50% toughness regen so that contributes

[ornate hamlet]

lmao

its actually broken

fatshark moment

[supple dock]

the gas works as it is imo

Low damage with massive area of denial and toughness shred

[spice veldt]

if you stack a reasonable amount of toughness regen, you can just outheal through it

[ornate hamlet]

i see to many people pulling off door camps, more tox bombers needed

[upper sun]

nuh uhhhh

[ornate hamlet]

and instead of canning their own farts they need real poison

[upper sun]

lemme beat my doors in peace

[untold niche]

tf

prisoner

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-fighting-yikesjadaa-gif-23671276

this should be u
behind bars

[ornate hamlet]

That one giant end area with the 2 gates and the door way everyone camps in, needs more tox bombers or put some poisen spawns like the tox condition in that doorway

[spice veldt]

mercantile/carnival i assume

with the flare

[ornate hamlet]

yeah

im not good with names

and the maps all blend together anyway so im not trying

but doorway camping, kill it

[spice veldt]

i remember maps a bit more after that person posted the overview of the maps

[supple dock]

i have never heard of this strategy being specifically used and sought

[untold niche]

tbf another problem is that the maps are sectioned in a way that i only remember sepcific sections to the map name

[spice veldt]

i'd prob just slap another gate in that area and call it a day

[supple dock]

It just kinda happens in the moment then you pass it

[ornate hamlet]

it happens in everyone of my games where some pinhead pings the doorway props down a med pack and or ammo and just holds there

i hate it

the entire room

[supple dock]

wtf

[ornate hamlet]

and they only use the doorway

[spice veldt]

i usually just go off on my own to farm kills cuz the rest of the map section is pretty survivable/kitable anyways

[ornate hamlet]

yeah thats what i do

it a wonderful end area

[spice veldt]

it's a p neat arena so it's a shame that you have this glaring and obvious chokepoint to stay in

[rigid sky]

And then the team instantly disintegrates when you get that mid objective to come out and light the flares lmao

[ornate hamlet]

lmao

[rigid sky]

I started taking bubble specifically for that breach moment

I much prefer defending the pit or the stairs though

It's basically the finale to dark carnival

Without the whole "you gotta get on top, stay on the mountain, duh nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh" memes

[supple dock]

I like staying in the center for that one

[ornate hamlet]

the center is hectic, i love it

[supple dock]

makes everything HECTIC

yeeee

[ornate hamlet]

every thing is coming from all sides

and you have the cover to deal with it

its fun

[rigid sky]

We exist in the Imperium of Humanity

On a chaos-infested hive city

For more than literally a day

If we aren't masoçhists then are we really alive

Oh hey that works to bypass the filter

[marble crater]

How is that word blocked?

What happened here to get it blocked?

[supple dock]

It's probably a predetermined list

This isn't a military training manual, the rules aren't written in stupidity and blood

[near drift]

K***ht Solaire moment

[upper sun]

so shit fuck cunt pussy arent filtered

but masochi$t is

[ornate hamlet]

huh we are no longer filtering carlins seven words

actually in a way thats progress

[untold niche]

do you guys wanna know how i actually died?
chastise off that ramp, got fall damage and bye bye

[ornate hamlet]

lmao

i think a few things happened that lead to that

like your entire hp bar being curroption

what did you do get eaten

[untold niche]

the bon was at the back, so while i was eating the bon vomitted into CS mouth

open the iamge it becomes mor eclear

[ornate hamlet]

O.o grabbed mid air or did you miss the slide

[ornate hamlet]

i see that there are 2 curruption causing monsters

[untold niche]

i was last one alive so i was panicking essentially
and i knew i couldn't clutch cause like the 2 othjers didn't even spawned yet

[ornate hamlet]

ah well it was a try

[untold niche]

nobody to even revive lmao

idk im getting bored of this game

[ornate hamlet]

yeah when you panic is jover

[untold niche]

eh i wasn't going to survive 2 minibosses and the area down the ramp tbh

[ornate hamlet]

yeah i get burnt on this game alot

[ornate hamlet]

their mini bosses they both got tissue paper hp, it was possible

just not easy

[untold niche]

bon still feels pretty tanky as miniboss

[ornate hamlet]

well hit the boil it become real aperent hes a fake

[untold niche]

quiteh ard to hit pimple in 1v1 much less 1v2

[ornate hamlet]

yeah had to kill the spawn first

[untold niche]

and personally i really don't want to drag it out into a 30 minute kite fight with bon

[ornate hamlet]

its faster so kite it away

[untold niche]

thats why i don't really like clutching in this game

[supple dock]

Clutching is the BEST

[untold niche]

its just running in circles, and thats quite different from what the core game asks of you

[supple dock]

Gonna have to bother my friend to do true duo runs with

[untold niche]

i like to clutch in like csgo where there is adrenaline and you feel like a god

this one is just play ultra safe and run circles

[ornate hamlet]

thats also pvp

clutching in that

always a thrill

[untold niche]

in kf2 kiting was fine because the base game needed you to kite anyway

[ornate hamlet]

you just one uped several actual people

[untold niche]

i personally don't feel like kiting is DT core gameplay, but some people might argue so idk.

[ornate hamlet]

kiting in darktide isdefinantly a part of the game

[supple dock]

If you have to kite you have to kite

period

and kiting in KF2 was a VERY different thing because of the stiff movement, you had to take a predetermined route and hope for the best

[untold niche]

nah kiting in kf2 was fun, need to memorize map, control recoil while sprining backwards and keep looking forward and backwards

[ornate hamlet]

the only way to make kiting not good is to either ruin the maps, or make it so we are so op we can just brute force are way through, and that would suck so much

[plucky flax]

Yeah I used to sweat so much clutching in the division 1 darkzone.

Clutching in this game doesn't even increase my heart rate.

[supple dock]

TRUE but it takes a lot to do that to me

[ornate hamlet]

its a skill issue but in the good way

[balmy flax]

And panicblocking fleshpound charge in kf2.
That game doesnt age well once you have played tidegames though.

[untold niche]

it feels i only really have to kite in clutch situations in this game, so i personally don't really bother.

[untold niche]

i feel like KF2 has higher skill ceiling and more player expression

[plucky flax]

It's not skill it's the op builds.

[ornate hamlet]

oh thats just boring

[supple dock]

Game still stands, it's a different game. It's not a movement based shooter, it's a "stand in a lane and play an interactive shooting gallery"

Which was very fun

[plucky flax]

Stealth loner martyrdom combat axe.

[supple dock]

Is, even

[dusk void]

I always thought kiting would be part of everyone’s game mechanics, no?

[untold niche]

i don't kite for shit

can't wait for someone to dig this up months later to call me an actual noob

[supple dock]

I'm gonna ping the wardens and have them pin this

[untold niche]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-oops-fall-push-gif-5488008

[supple dock]

If I had a non-recycle one I'd use it for you

[ornate hamlet]

based on his lack of kiting its where he belongs

[untold niche]

i mean the maps are pretty linear, and the game needs you to keep moving forward
Even in events you don't really kite, like you do literally move in circles over an area but you aren't really kiting

[supple dock]

The worst I've had to do is move with the ebb and flow of a section while clutching

[untold niche]

idk i just feel like clutching isn't worth it and isnt' fun.

[supple dock]

it's very fun for some people, and therin they find that it is worth the extra effort for an enjoyable experience!

[untold niche]

of course i understand that

im just saying its not fun for me.

[supple dock]

I understand. Still gonna judge you

But I do understand

[untold niche]

i mean you saw my gameplay :v

i just run into shit even if i know i might ide

[supple dock]

I do too until I'm the last one alive

[ornate hamlet]

or the spawns work for once and that hoard is just to big, wait nvm cleave is way to high

[untold niche]

also, sometimes there are stuff like a super soft dog bark and now you are dogged.

[ornate hamlet]

lmao no dog bark because it was for your teammate

[untold niche]

i did hear the bark but it was kinda soft

[ornate hamlet]

then it was for u

turn the music down

[untold niche]

it was a dense mixed horde so i think it was the audio system

i could hjear the mutie perfectly fine

[ornate hamlet]

yeah but if you have music playing loud your never hearing far away dogs

and it was soft because it was far

[untold niche]

i don't have like extra music, and im pretty sure the dogs have a set distance before pouncing

[ornate hamlet]

yeah they have a range

but its decently long

[untold niche]

yeah so it couldn't be far

like,

since the distance is always the same

its not like this time round they pounced from far away making the sound softer

[ornate hamlet]

its not always the same, ive been jumped at from point blank, half way down a hallway or across an entire room dogs are weird

[untold niche]

ike there is a max distance

that one stays the same

i think there is a preferred distance as well

@plucky flax also i did the chastise tech on a poxyb purposefully today because small room hab dreyko

[upper sun]

ur mistake for playing hab dreyko

[untold niche]

how else will i have the opportunity to use tech

[ornate hamlet]

ur mistake for playing darktide

[plucky flax]

That is so pogger

[untold niche]

you know those action cartoon or movie

explosion then the character arms flailing in the air

then land no damage

yeah that was exactly what it felt like.

https://tenor.com/view/jump-from-the-explosion-avoid-the-blow-up-jump-down-epic-burst-gif-26290803

[upper sun]

you know in the first sections of hab dreyko you can just fall back to the first building

and youll surive with no way of getting back up

[untold niche]

need clip

[untold niche]

thats why i love tech so much

[upper sun]

i think i have screenshots on a harddrive somewhere

[ornate hamlet]

just a random harddrive

[untold niche]

[upper sun]

i have 4 external harddrives

[untold niche]

[upper sun]

idk which one

[lone ravine]

Also have I just not played this game enough or do chaos spawns really like throwing you through the roof if it’s low enough

[upper sun]

pirated games pirated movies back ups etc

[ornate hamlet]

do you play on laptop or really love external drives

[untold niche]

[upper sun]

i have a hoarding disorder

only its digital

[ornate hamlet]

oh your like my dad

nuts

[untold niche]

you should get a NAS and set up jellyfin.

[upper sun]

too much work

[untold niche]

i think you are smart enough to learn how to do that

FUCK

WHY DID YOU TYPE SO FAST

NOW I LOOK IKE BASTARD

[upper sun]

lmao

but yeah do u want the nancy sinatra discography? cus i have it

what about weird books about life an ancient assyria? yup

[untold niche]

either way you should get a NAS so you can raid whatever media you have @upper sun (even if you don't want to set up jelly fin)

[upper sun]

200gbs of clips of my darktide godawful gameplay?

[untold niche]

also whoever in your house gets to access it, very cool.

[ornate hamlet]

im still trying to fill out my stephen king collection

[upper sun]

ye i wanna set up a server at somepoint

fuck netflix fuck streaming sites

[ornate hamlet]

honestly their only trying to screw you over

[untold niche]

i think if you are lazy, just buy a NAS, i feel its impt for you in case your media gets corrupted

like im trying to highlight like

something you like alot, getting ruined, so here is a way to prevent that

like im worried for you as fren

[upper sun]

nah itll be fine

i can accurately predict when harddrives fail

i told my friend he had 6 months

and his failed then

[untold niche]

[ornate hamlet]

the drive whisperer

[untold niche]

anyway

if you just want cheap netflix

https://www.reddit.com/r/StremioAddons/comments/yi5jdw/ultimate_guide_to_stremio_torrentio_rd/

of course you could always just install jelly fin and run some auto torrent searcher

but this one is even less hassle

but for a small price per month

[upper sun]

oh ye i know about stremio its good stuff

yeah my friend has it for two 2 usd a month

[weary crane]

movies7.to/home

Doesn't do above 1080 though

[upper sun]

yeah but the streaming sites are annoying on tvs

[weary crane]

I just use my monitor lol

[hearty dagger]

I just saw a psyker that i could not comprehend

Literally exclusively uses lights on the illisi

[upper sun]

me

[hearty dagger]

DOES NOT USE THE STAFF, NOT EVEN ONCE.

Uses exclusively brain bursts as his ranged option

[upper sun]

u just dont get it

[hearty dagger]

No i get it alright

I'm getting the brain damage this sibling is trying to cause me

[true lake]

I need to fix my youtube revanced

shit keeps freezing randomly

[upper sun]

i have 17 extentions for youtube that make it usable on chrome

[true lake]

see that's cool for my PC but I'm talking mobile

[untold niche]

you guys remember the artist?

[dusk stump]

That’s a lot of extensions

[ornate hamlet]

staff op, respect to that guy

[near wyvern]

Brave seems to work fine on mobile for YouTube

Blocks ads no freezes

[hearty dagger]

Why are aurics full of actual clowns right now?

I saw a zealot toss an immolation nade into an empty room so he could get a grenade pickup

[ornate hamlet]

school just got out probably

[hearty dagger]

Actual fucking school children have more neurons than these people

I push, thinking they're behind me

Nope, zealot is taking 20 minutes in what is, at tops, a 5 minute section.

[paper lily]

idk let em die

[hearty dagger]

Aight, Veteran is surrounded by horde with a bolter, what does he do?

TRIES TO SLAM A GRENADE AT HIS FEET.

[ornate hamlet]

O.o

melee weapons dont exist i guess

[hearty dagger]

God

Genuine fucking tools.

[lone ravine]

also doesnt bolter have aOE?

[hearty dagger]

It does.

[lone ravine]

[ornate hamlet]

yeah and 15 bullets

[hearty dagger]

But he was too busy waiting for surgical x10 to shoot at 20 ragers

[ornate hamlet]

lmao

what are these people

though atleast it was a bolter and not a plasma

there is some hope for them

[hearty dagger]

Normally i don't bitch about teammates

But these people are something else man

I just want to get in one more on my auric streak and i get the fucking clown college dropouts

[marble crater]

Bolter needs 5m to prime, so actually useless when surrounded that bad

[ornate hamlet]

it has a priming distance O.o... i usually default to melee so never noticed

[hearty dagger]

When i run bolter, it's on zealot

With my funny reload build

So i can melee, slam 15 rounds into a crusher at ludicrous speed as the god emperor intended, and then reload faster than the vet

[untold niche]

i mean vets grenade is a horde clear one tho :v

[ornate hamlet]

bolter 100% fits better with zealot, mostly because on vet the plasma exist

[ornate hamlet]

which grenade?

[untold niche]

the bleed one'

[ornate hamlet]

the frag sure, krak

[untold niche]

apaprently 2 bleed nades clear out ragers

thats what path told me

[ornate hamlet]

no but im imagining it was a krak since hes angry about it

[untold niche]

eh, bolter doesn't clear horde anyway, at least, i don't think so xD

[ornate hamlet]

dumb ppl make dumb builds or copy good ones

[untold niche]

why he doesn't whip out his pub meta peesword peeC4 i don't understand

[untold niche]

tbf thats abit harsh, some people just want to enjoy the game
i.e. me

[near drift]

shredder nades are the goat and they proc dumdum for relevant guns, 2 stronk

[ornate hamlet]

i make dumb builds

it goes full way around

once you realize how broken everything is

but making a dumb build thinking its good is not good

[untold niche]

you should try this sub optimal build i made for caxe zealot that is high apm

you need to pop off stealth as much as possible and dodge so you can get stealth back

[untold niche]

all to be not paper

i got a 5 yellow on the second match with it but it was sweaty as hell

[lyric burrow]

i think the most deranged psyker build i ever did was DD Scriers + Thrust Headtaker Achlys with autopistol

[untold niche]

so standard gunker, but instead of ds4 laspistol you have downgrad ds4 and downgrade laspistol?

[lyric burrow]

heavily downgraded ds4

with worse horde clear

and movement

i also did taxe 4 with Deci/Shred and BB purge

at one point

and scriers

wait

i forget

it was forever ago

[untold niche]

i heard from lightbringer achyls isn't shit if you qq cancel the h1

[lyric burrow]

ik it was taxe 4 and purge BB

i forget the ult

[untold niche]

also yoshi changeback your name
i like you more than realdough

[lyric burrow]

it has probably been long enough since stan renamed me

im sure he will destroy me now that my name will be normal

[marble crater]

Abuse of power

[untold niche]

you fun to talk to, real dough not fun to talk to

[ornate hamlet]

those animated emotes are something else

[untold niche]

🙈

[plucky flax]

Real dough big meanie

Fake dough so nice uwu

[ornate hamlet]

yeah i havent been in discord long enough to know real dough

[untold niche]

me me think opposite
real dough from my experience, doesn't take different perspectives (as well as i would like)
Fake dough so far, seem to do so

[plucky flax]

Pls no flame

[ornate hamlet]

i love flaming though 😦

🔥

[untold niche]

sorry boss

[lyric burrow]

i cant say ive had many bad experiences with dough

[untold niche]

hes an alright person.

[lyric burrow]

hes mostly in zealot chat

so that would probably be why

[untold niche]

hes not insulting me or anything

[ornate hamlet]

that makes him a better person then me, i insult everyone

equal opportunity dick head

[untold niche]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-monkey-scared-scream-gif-17330983

[plucky flax]

Me zealot main but I'm here.

Jk I'm psyker main zealot is 2nd most played.

[lone ravine]

what blessings should i want on a purgatus staff

[ornate hamlet]

just get the crit one

[plucky flax]

Flurry and nexus

[ornate hamlet]

the staf is so simple as long as the stats are right you will be fine

dmg is the dump stat

i like the purgatus, needs a cleave nerf

[lyric burrow]

flurry nexus

it doesnt really have much to replace those 2 but the blessing pool isnt too big so you should be able to find these

[ornate hamlet]

is it 5 or 4 blessings

[lyric burrow]

i can only think of 4

[ornate hamlet]

you have flurry, nexus, barrage, and the sprint one

yeah 4 i think

[marble crater]

No focused channeling on purgatus?

[lyric burrow]

i dont think so

ill double check

[untold niche]

@autumn lark what help do you need with psyker

if you are complaining about HP its most likely a build issue

[autumn lark]

Stagger immunity

[untold niche]

always a build issue with psyker

[lyric burrow]

oh it does

ok so 5

[ornate hamlet]

if your complaining about hp play zealot

[untold niche]

in what situation / context

[marble crater]

Play ogryn

[lyric burrow]

while charging

[ornate hamlet]

then they will say they cant dodge

ogryn is fun

but not as a first

[untold niche]

psyker is paper as hell tbf but i never get chunked beyond a stealth poxyb

[marble crater]

Just heavy attack everyone, who needs dodges if you can stagger everything and be unkillable with toughness regen

[untold niche]

ogryn was my first and i found him fun as a first :v
i think actually he would have been boring as a non first due to how little mechanics he need to care about

[ornate hamlet]

i like how different he is, he was my last leveled

[untold niche]

man still haven't replied me ;-;

anyway if he does reply, please help him people

[ornate hamlet]

your ment to be paper as psyker the sooner you exept it, the sooner you notice all your tools to avoid dmg

the toughness regen, the dodges and blocks

[untold niche]

im guessing its because his melee can't horde clear so would be wise to take illisi for his build

I can't really think of any reason you need stagger immunity on psyker

[ornate hamlet]

psyker is a tank in all ways but toughness and health

[ornate hamlet]

or just push

pushing is best stagger

[untold niche]

no he wants stagger immunity, means hes getting hit while doing an aciton

[ornate hamlet]

oh

dodge

space bar

or what ever your bind is

[untold niche]

could be he is getting hit while charghing staff

[ornate hamlet]

man want to stand still in play go play ogryn

[untold niche]

anyway im convinced its either a build issue or some simple gameplay advice

please help him when he comes back

[lyric burrow]

it was mostly used for being greedy with trauma back when we had more toughness to tank hits pre patch 13

stagger immunity i mean

focused channeling

[untold niche]

@autumn lark will be last ping, man going go shower.
Post your full build, and explain in what situation you feel like the lack of stagger immunity is fucking you up on psyker / why you hate psyker
I personally feel its either build or very simple gameplay advice that would solve your problem.

most of the time i see when people complain about psyker its really a build problem.

[ornate hamlet]

probably is that, or dodging is just a pain

[untold niche]

you have to dodge on any class barring tank ogryn

[ornate hamlet]

yeah but psyker you really have to dodge

be on game

[untold niche]

idk even on zealot you have to dodge as well :v

its not like you can tank 4 hits on zealot

[ornate hamlet]

no but he also has weapons that stagger better and kill hoards better

so easier time about it

[untold niche]

thats why i take illisi

illisi horde clear even easier than rashad on zealot

[ornate hamlet]

the illisi is, so simple, left right left right

can i get a 45

or up down

[marble crater]

Excuse me, you have to dodge on ogryn the most, how else are you going to block all of the vets bullets?

[untold niche]

sorry im a nice person and keep left

[ornate hamlet]

[lyric burrow]

special heavy is truly the most intense gameplay loop

although most psyker weapons arent that complex tbf

[ornate hamlet]

yeah

i like the diemos simply because its somewhat interesting

[untold niche]

the only complex part about tide combos i feel is recognizing which part of the string you are in due to the so many similar animations

[ornate hamlet]

its tying it all together

dodging, comboing, aiming, and paying attention to specials and elites

[lyric burrow]

yeah the combat isnt super simple

[untold niche]

else its not hard to tell yourself "Light then heavy for horde" and "heavy then light for single target" for crusher weapon.

[lyric burrow]

although a lot of weapons end up boiling down to H1 L1

and when its not that its like light spam

[untold niche]

i don't like to block reset so yeah :v

[lyric burrow]

crusher is nice in that regard

where you have actual paths

[ornate hamlet]

or L1 h1

[untold niche]

if i do then yeah its easy even though theres like 4 combos on crusher

[lyric burrow]

illisi and psword barely have a moveset cause your just looping the special anyway

70% of moves arent gonna be used

[untold niche]

i loop lights on illisi, found it much safer

no special

i genuinely i can't understand how you guys can find the window to special in surrounded horde

in events

[ornate hamlet]

dodge

im not kidding

its stupid strong

[untold niche]

the special is slightly longer than dodge

and sometimes

due to lack of space

[ornate hamlet]

dodge twice

[untold niche]

your dodge is cut short

[ornate hamlet]

take anticipation if you have to

but thats how you get those specials off

[untold niche]

if its surrounded horde you prob don't have space ot even dodge back to same space since it will get filled up

maybe you do but i genuinely don't know

[ornate hamlet]

push dodge

lots of pushing

[untold niche]

using lights is enough to actually win against horde

i only special heavy when im desperate for toughness

[ornate hamlet]

yeah with the illisi

but if your surrounded

you need to get unsurrounded

screw killing them get out first

or do both

[true lake]

does it also play in background? I normally have phone screen off while I'm working and listening to videos

[lyric burrow]

special light is also p fast

[untold niche]

i kind of feel no point to special light ngl

just off how much toughness it gives back

[marble crater]

ReVanced, so good for mobile YouTube

[lyric burrow]

special light is still p good cleave and sets up a special heavy

[untold niche]

how does it set up special heavy? genuine qn

[supple dock]

Special heavy needs time to prep

[ornate hamlet]

im assuming stagger

[supple dock]

Light attacking gives space

[true lake]

I use revanced but it doesn't want to work perfectly sometimes, it freezes for a second or two every so often and sometimes the video infinitely buffers randomly

[lyric burrow]

yeah it gives you room to special heavy

[supple dock]

I think anyways? That's the most simple answer

[lyric burrow]

cause that space that was being occupied denying special heavy

is no longer occupied

[untold niche]

does special; light have infinite cleave?

[lyric burrow]

so

no

illisi does not have infinite cleave on anything

[untold niche]

imagine special heavy have infinite cleave

instant full bar toughness

[ornate hamlet]

ok i got reemed about this last night when i complained about the void, its not infinite cleave its just way to much

[untold niche]

i think most i got on special heavy was half bar toughness

[supple dock]

Tbh light spamming is fine until bruiser shows then special will deal with it

[untold niche]

iirc its 10 zombies

[untold niche]

one tap bruiser

thats what flak perk is for

ezpz

[supple dock]

Then when you've got room you heavy because that shit is bonkers

[lyric burrow]

tbf a lot of that stuff is near essentially infinite

when you consider practicality

[ornate hamlet]

yeah the few times i see void blow up its a mixed hoard and its usually armor

[untold niche]

i actually thought it was infi as well

[ornate hamlet]

might as well be inf

[lyric burrow]

its rare you would use all its cleave

although i do remember back when its cleave was based on the server ping

[untold niche]

if the void user position well, you could watch a horde just die in the hallway]\

like paper burning away

[supple dock]

I only use special heavies to open for slaughterer and for medium threats, otherwise normal heavies

[ornate hamlet]

yeah i hate void, if it had less cleave id love it, its the perfect anti gunner anti special staff

[lyric burrow]

ye if you arent gonna do special heavy youd want to do heavy light

repeat

[ornate hamlet]

but right now its anti everything

[supple dock]

Oh and toughness

[untold niche]

if it had less cleave there would be no reason to use it over surge

[lyric burrow]

i also think it shouldnt do cara damage

cause surge exists

[untold niche]

it does suffer against gunners a little
meanwhile BT cough cough*

[lyric burrow]

and that leaves room for anti ogryn staff in the future

[supple dock]

Oh? What's special about l2?

[upper sun]

sibling pls stop

[lyric burrow]

• monstosity

[untold niche]

COUGH HARDER FOR AGENT TO HEAR

[lyric burrow]

its just a flat light

after the heavy 1

which loops between each other

[supple dock]

Ah I see

[lyric burrow]

other than that its a regular force sword light

[ornate hamlet]

to be fair i can see its not a fair complaint when plasma exists

[lyric burrow]

they all share the same profile

[ornate hamlet]

but i see stuff that trivialises the game im gonna complain

purg does it to

[untold niche]

ngl i use void so much idk how they should nerf it so i stay happy, it retains its identity and its actually nerfed

[upper sun]

purge trivializes brain function too so its fine

[untold niche]

its especially hard since i used the peashooter version of void before as well

[ornate hamlet]

cleave, if it had some but not much its a good pick weapon

[untold niche]

to me, void and BT is really the "balanced by grind" type weapons

[ornate hamlet]

surge still cant match that for picking through people

[untold niche]

if you nerf cleave, then theres no reason to pick it over BT

[ornate hamlet]

im going brain dead whats bt again

[untold niche]

blaze trauma

sorry for the

short form.

[ornate hamlet]

of range

oh*

trauma is limited

though most cases doesnt matter

however can matter

[untold niche]

you seen atlas picture of trauma range right?

[ornate hamlet]

i have

it shouldnt be that good

[untold niche]

atm i feel void and trauma is essentially do you want one straight line or do you want AOE

[ornate hamlet]

i look at trauma as grenade stick

however has no synergy with dd

void can

[lone ravine]

trauma at least has a slight ability to shoot over obstacles if you aim upward

[untold niche]

it doesn't need synnergy with DD when it can safely like two taps crushers, one tap bruisers and idk the BP for gunners but might as well be 1 tap

[lyric burrow]

both void and trauma are wildly overtuned to me ngl

[ornate hamlet]

yeah but dd is the one keystone that buffs everything

[untold niche]

yeah, i guess it should have made this clear.
If you nerf void you need to nerf trauma as well.

[lyric burrow]

ik i want everything nerfed but those 2 are egregious to me

[untold niche]

and again @lyric burrow ^

[ornate hamlet]

thank you

[untold niche]

have you tried using peashooter void, yoshi?

[lyric burrow]

like

pre patch 13

or non surge

[untold niche]

nah, just using void when it has shit stats

[lyric burrow]

yeah i used it a lot

[ornate hamlet]

so new play experience

[untold niche]

its like a world of difference

its like night and day

[lyric burrow]

ive played new void a bit i just dont like it

old void needed help but it was actually my fav staff

[untold niche]

btw i meant like the actual weapon has a bad roll

[lyric burrow]

back then shooters mattered more

[untold niche]

i don't know how pre OP void was like

[untold niche]

i.e. when you buy from brunt

[lyric burrow]

the main thing i want void to lose is crusher damage and monstrosity stun lock, honestly surge probably shouldnt exist with current true aim and how strong crits are

[untold niche]

i think if void gets nerfed, i would go with Don's suggestion

i thought theres no monster stun lock? only stagger

[ornate hamlet]

oh kill carapace dmg too

[lyric burrow]

you can stun lock it with crits

[untold niche]

NOOOOO

[ornate hamlet]

and stagger lock

thats aids

[lyric burrow]

which isnt hard to do given you have 800% crit chance

[untold niche]

but you can't garuntee crits fast enough for a stun lock anyway

[lyric burrow]

sure you can

[ornate hamlet]

skriers

get good

[lyric burrow]

half charge spam shots will do it p often

[untold niche]

nobody runs gaze on void

[lyric burrow]

with nexus

josho has a clip of him doing it somewhere

[ornate hamlet]

i run skriers with everything, no limit to my boredom

[lyric burrow]

i dont have it on hand though

[untold niche]

dmn

damn

yeah that neesd to go :v

but, aiming need skill...

[ornate hamlet]

O.o

in that case make my sword 1 shot, it takes skill...

[lyric burrow]

if they killed crit damage and stun lock i might be ok with it

[ornate hamlet]

noo

[untold niche]

yeah i feel if void does get nerfed those two need to go, but cara damage should be kept

[lyric burrow]

cara damage i mean

[ornate hamlet]

skill is not an excuse nerf it

[untold niche]

exactly

[untold niche]

im joking :v thats why the emote >;v

half joking :p

[ornate hamlet]

oh im half joking to

mostly sarcasm but text sucks

[untold niche]

anyway uh, no stunlock, less cleave.
but cara damage i want it to stay :v

[ornate hamlet]

you have swords pupose build for armor

most of them

and you still need a ranged option...

[untold niche]

uh, whats wrong with ranged for cara and sword for horde clear.
Even zealot has builds like that.

[ornate hamlet]

i have a thunder hammer, screw it i also need a rending sugical revolver

[lyric burrow]

you can have ranged cara damage

ammo less one shots though

probably not

with the existence of uncanny crushers do not need to be getting one shot by a void crit

esp when ds4 2 shots them, deimos 2-3 shots them and knocks them over

trauma also dumpsters them

and surge has decent damage into them

[ornate hamlet]

to much anti armor

their only threat is them 1 shotting you

its laughable

[paper lily]

don't really think void is even broken

[untold niche]

i'd rather they keep the power of the weapon but make it harder to play.

[ornate hamlet]

in that case change peril system

make it so venting hurts

[lyric burrow]

i do not think you could keep current void balanced unless one shot literally tops off peril

form 0

i wont lie

[ornate hamlet]

and when your charging it goes up faster

[paper lily]

void is just kay

like it's slow as fuck

[untold niche]

i mean, it does for me since im already peril edging all the time.
does that mean im using balanced void :3

[lyric burrow]

no

[ornate hamlet]

i think your too surge pilled

[lyric burrow]

:)

[paper lily]

nah i use all staves

[lyric burrow]

i mean when void clears out the entire room in 2 shots

it being slow matters way less

[paper lily]

each staff has a pretty clear weakness

[ornate hamlet]

void's weakness is the user

[untold niche]

ngl i find it hard to discuss due to the fact that i would need to assume trauma gets nerfed as well, but in that case, how much is it nerfed.

else i would use trauma any day.

[paper lily]

only thing that needs nerfed about anything in regards to psyker staves is peril gain

[untold niche]

even if trauma armour damaged got reduced, just having ranged stagger on crushers is insane

[paper lily]

all of the staves are op

but they're not overly so

[lyric burrow]

yeah the stagger/aoe on trauma is what needs to go

[ornate hamlet]

they are overly so

[paper lily]

plasma gun

[ornate hamlet]

is stupid op

same with power sword

[paper lily]

that is an example of an op weapon

[untold niche]

then the staff loses its core identity
Well not really, but thats what is memorable about them

[ornate hamlet]

but that doesnt excuse other op weapons

[paper lily]

no they are in different leagues

[lyric burrow]

it shouldnt shut the enemies off

it can still stagger

[ornate hamlet]

cool that guy commited murder my theft is so much better

[lyric burrow]

but not stagger lock a giant group of crushers

into death

you are like untouchable with trauma

[paper lily]

look u guys are free to play with whatever equivalent ogryn power maul is for whatever build ur doing

[untold niche]

then how will it stagger?
normal small stagger with normal stagger resist?

[paper lily]

but you need to keep the power fantasy working and making stuff feel strong

i don't think they're op

plasma gun just is tho

[untold niche]

yeah i think, the power fantasy aspect is important

[lyric burrow]

you also need to maintain difficulty in the hardest difficulty

[ornate hamlet]

lightbringer whats your opinion on the zarona?

[untold niche]

idk i find darktide balance and its discussion to be in this really awkward place as well.

[paper lily]

boring weapon

[ornate hamlet]

balance wise

[paper lily]

it's overtuned just cuz it has cleave

rest is whatever

if i can play weap specialist and weave revolver shots into hordes it's op

[untold niche]

everything seems so balanced around stats rather than just making shit harder.
Its a casual game, but it also should be hard (im not saying people are hypocritical with this sentence, because i also feel sort of the same way)

Its just DT is in this weird spot.

in other games you could potentially balance something by making it harder to use while keeping somewhat of the same power level

[paper lily]

all of the enemy types are sort of designed for you to have a balanced group but there are weapons that sorta break the mold for the game

[ornate hamlet]

well its hard to add things that are interesting when we got tool that just obliterate everything

[paper lily]

trauma doesn't do a shitload of dmg to anything that isn't unarmored, it's there to knock armor on its ass

[untold niche]

see the tool taht obliterate everything becomes interesting when its hard to use.

[paper lily]

an easy comparison of power fantasy vs balance is plasma gun vs bolter

bolter fits the power fantasy and actually works for purpose, but it's fucking shit because plasma exists

[ornate hamlet]

it still kills everything cool, you had to hold you mouse button a little or quell or what ever its still trivialising everything infront of you

[lyric burrow]

something can be hard to use and still OP yeah

its cooler

but its still OP

[ornate hamlet]

your not playing the game, your playing the weapon

thats stupid

[lyric burrow]

the people on your team will still not need to play the game

[untold niche]

but it would get balanced because some people can't pull it off.
you are rewarded a power fantasy.

[paper lily]

no bolter is pretty much balanced cuz it's just balanced, the power fantasy aspect is still alive in it

how would you propose to nerf trauma if it doesn't kd bulwarks and crushers?

it's clearly designed for this purpose

[lyric burrow]

but it still turns the game of with practice

yes you worked for it

but that level of power should not be attainable

at all imo

it simply makes things too easy

[paper lily]

i'm all for the game being more difficult btw

[untold niche]

why not?
like genuinely.

Thats like saying i should not score good marks everytime because i studied.

[paper lily]

psyker will inherently be one of the stronger classes just because infinite ranged dmg

just like ogryn being strong as fuck because of the dmg reduction they receive

[untold niche]

it doesn't because its hard.

[lyric burrow]

no

[untold niche]

not everything is acheivable with practice, else everyone would become some eSports pro athelete

[lyric burrow]

if you can trivialize the hardest difficulty you can trivialize the hardest difficulty

if you had to work for it cool

but if you can walk through the hardest difficulty with just void

[untold niche]

you are not "trivalizing" it if only like 10% of the people can do it.

[lyric burrow]

thats still too strong

[paper lily]

u can do that solo?

[ornate hamlet]

it is because rather than playing the game your just pullin off a weapon

[lyric burrow]

i should need to make use of all my tool

not just the one that i got really good with and does everything

[ornate hamlet]

cool 10% of people can use that weapon well, its like irelia in league very few play her well. But that champ still won every lane because it was just that strong

[paper lily]

don't think i've seen a psyker play a perfect game with void ever

[untold niche]

no you still have to play the game
you still ahve to understand your target priority, still have to position properly, still have to hide behind the wall and peek gunners.

[paper lily]

it's really slow

[plucky flax]

Only 1% can play blaze trauma well it's worst staff

[paper lily]

you definitely require people watching flanks and shit

[untold niche]

i still need to take out my illisi on horde

[paper lily]

fwiw u can 'walk through' the hardest difficulty with every single staff

[true lake]

void can't just single handedly walk through the hardest difficulty solo lol

[paper lily]

so saying that's some measure of it being op is a bit of a meme

psyker is always gonna be strong cuz they don't need ammo

[lyric burrow]

i mean yeah 90% of shit in this game could probably use looking at

[untold niche]

also just a meta note.
It seems like the discussion now has shifted onto
"you shouldn't be able to clear/carry the game just by holding onto one weapon"

[ornate hamlet]

yes their all broken and so are 2 of the blitz

[strong gulch]

I'm gonna have to because my baby zealot just got decent curios, but they are all wounds.

[marble crater]

That sucks, can't say I ever had that issue

[untold niche]

but this is my reply to that meta note.

[true lake]

game needs balancing fixes yeah but I don't think psyker as a whole is OP by any means

[upper sun]

HAMMER MARTY

[plucky flax]

Yes play martyrdom until you find better. But why another zealot?

[lyric burrow]

psyker is disgustingly op

[paper lily]

i think that's like, just ur opinion man

[lyric burrow]

assail makes any build work

[paper lily]

ogryn is objectively the most op class idc

[lyric burrow]

yeah ogryn is the worst atm

ogryn needs fuckin

[untold niche]

CAN"T LOSE ON WHAT CAN"T DIE

[ornate hamlet]

and its just ur opinion that shit should be op, and its a horrible one

[lyric burrow]

an entire rework

[true lake]

how did you set yours up? maybe I set it up weird or something or am using a different version of the youtube apk

[paper lily]

where did i defend stuff being op

i asked for suggestions for what u would want

[plucky flax]

Ogryn kickback spammer though

[paper lily]

can say my opinion is horrible but u clearly didn't understand what i was getting at

[true lake]

assail is nothing compared to what it used to be, best it can do is deal with hound modifier or weaken hordes

basically blitz version of purg

[paper lily]

weaken hordes? it completely shreds them

[ornate hamlet]

.

[ornate hamlet]

.

[paper lily]

those aren't defenses

[ornate hamlet]

.

[true lake]

while chewing through all the ammo of the blitz and making you critical mass in seconds

[paper lily]

i'm inciting u to suggest a different change

[ornate hamlet]

.

[strong gulch]

I have just the one. They are level 60, but I got psyker brains.

[paper lily]

not sure where i'm making an argument about it being op there

that's my opinion on it

never stated it was op or not

[plucky flax]

Ah you said baby zealot I thought another new zealot!

[paper lily]

u need to look at all metrics of a weapon to determine if it's actually op

and this is why i mentioned plasmagun

cuz that shit is op

[untold niche]

again meta commentary
I think people have different expectations of "OP" and BPs
As someone who came into patch13
My expectation = meta build might be able to oneshot crusher
People like yoshi = should never one shot crusher

you could also see how i advocated for harder to pull off but same power level
but yoshi is "should never hit this power level"
The thing is we don't really know what fatshark wants.

And of course, its really hard to state and contextualize all of these biases and expectations.

I never thought balancing disucssion would get this interesting though.

[strong gulch]

I want parachute pants for that. 👀

[paper lily]

ppl will come back around then then rant and rave about how amazing gun psyker is when void apparently exists so

[marble crater]

This version and otherwise just all the patches that were recommended, 59 in total.

[upper sun]

HAMMER

MARTY

[untold niche]

(if its what we the player want then whats considered OP will vary widly)

[strong gulch]

It's new compared to psyker.

Also, I am very bad.

[true lake]

I feel if a player manages to do a certain thing, it was earned on their part

also certain feats should be obviously OP, such as one shotting a monstrosity/raid boss

[plucky flax]

Time to equip knife and run away

[paper lily]

yes in the end if fatshark is happy with how the balance is it doesn't matter what 'top level' people consider to be 'meta'

[true lake]

will try to re patch mine then

[strong gulch]

true facts

[paper lily]

all the talk about op this and that kind of makes me look towards how hd2 is handling their balance

a bunch of wet noodle guns releasing every other week or whatever

wow guys get excited for this new shit shovel that is a sidegrade for ur current one!

[untold niche]

i mean thammer could one shot bosses but nobody really considers it OP, but i get your point.
And of course you have to see that what im talking about is the nuances.
Crusher 1 shot bp may be OP to some, may be not OP to others, may be not OP only under certain conditions to others.

[untold niche]

yeah thats why i don't like HD2 as someone who came from HD1,
i felt the balance was whack

[paper lily]

i got to the like last gun of the 2nd bond and realized that i was just gonna be using breaker or diligence forever

why even have the option then

ur meta is just 'holy shit i picked this so i don't immediately die every game'

[untold niche]

yoshi feels like even if it was earned, that power level should just not be achievable.
personally i don't agree but this is really more of an opinion thing.

[paper lily]

that isn't fun, which is the fundamental most important part of playing a game

[true lake]

at the end of the day I see it as a cooperative game and balancing, to me, isn't near as important to the enjoyment of the game as the feeling of working together to accomplish a common goal

[ornate hamlet]

its more that power level trivialises the map and that shouldnt be achievable

[paper lily]

i'd argue player skill trivializes maps significantly more than any weapon combination

[untold niche]

i think this is something that was unsaid.
And the real balance also come from this + making the game hard enough so thats its engaging to the best players.

[lyric burrow]

i do think how good you are with stuff should matter ofc but i think you need a cut off on how good something can be to maintain balance even if it is difficult to be good with

[paper lily]

case in point, smite exists, either form of it

[lyric burrow]

if you are trying to maintain a hard difficulty

[paper lily]

yet people somehow can't play it

they are incapable of playing a literal godmode build

[true lake]

though I must admit I was for the assail nerf, that thing was unironically a primary weapon back then

[untold niche]

and thats where the definition of OP is variable by person comes in
to me if i do something hard, one shotting crushers is justfiable.

and of course thats a purely opinion thing

[lyric burrow]

even here i think its context dependant, is it just one shotting crushers thats hard/doable? or does it do everything else too

[true lake]

one shotting a crusher is very niche thing that you have to have basically your entire build setup for

so I mean doesn't seem too OP really to me but I can see why some might find it a little wacky

[lyric burrow]

you put surge on your void which you do anyway

and take DD/True aim which is already very strong

on void

[true lake]

doesn't guarantee a one shot every time really

[lyric burrow]

the only reason its somewhat hard to achieve is crafting blows which might be fixed soon anyway

[untold niche]

see what does "everything else" mean exactly.
i know what you are trying to say here, but to be strict void doesn't do everything else, it doesn't handle surrounded horde.

And lets say, for sake of discussion, i want it to "do everything else" (which is what i consider you mean what void is capable of now), if i do something hard.
Then i still would feel its justifiable.

[ornate hamlet]

unless your smite nothing not even melee handles being surronded

you shouldnt be surronded

[paper lily]

trauma does

[ornate hamlet]

yeah aim at feet true

[untold niche]

whats that map again? mercantile?
You get thrown into small circular area

then you get surrounded there.

because theres no where for you to go quite literally

and enemies spawn from all directions

[paper lily]

u just put ur back to a wall

and now u only have to cover 180degrees

[ornate hamlet]

and your not surronded

O.o

[untold niche]

void only shoots one line, thats enough for me to get fucked if i only still use void

[true lake]

it's just like vermintide in that regard

[ornate hamlet]

you should never play around getting surrounded

[paper lily]

well u quoted smite so i was assuming smite

void loses in situations like that of course

[untold niche]

i didn't quote smite :v

:v

[ornate hamlet]

i did

when saying things that handle being surronded

then someone said trauma

but you can also just kite around the room with void they will group up chasing you and it will still be fine

[paper lily]

and this is true of every weapon in the game

[ornate hamlet]

extra true of void though since most weapons (not all definantly not the staffs) would have you prefer to melee

[untold niche]

idk i feel theres so much to say about this sentence alone but im going to sleep soon so i will just give pointers on what i think i will say

• do you mean this with current power level? then if so, wouldn't this change once everything gets nerfed
• but you DO get surrounded, so of course you would want an answer to that, thats like saying you don't take stealth for revives because no one get downed / "you don't play around downs"

[ornate hamlet]

if you get surrounded your gameplan should be get out of being surrounded

not killing everything around you

if you kill everything around you you get hit

[untold niche]

how will you get out of getting surrounded without killing enough for you to move out of getting surrounded.

[ornate hamlet]

pushing dodging to a wall

every weapon does it and psyker even has a talent that gives you a lot of block

you have tools

[untold niche]

you push dodge just makes you move relative to the map, you will still get surrounded in half a second later.

[ornate hamlet]

im talking to a brick wall

[ornate hamlet]

you can kill a horde with just your back to a wall dodging left and right

you dont have to continue on the map

[untold niche]

and then there goes your

not killing everything around you

[ornate hamlet]

no

[true lake]

I had a slightly different version so that might have been my issue

[ornate hamlet]

your not surrounded

your back to the wall

dumbass

[untold niche]

this is exactly why i have to switch from void to melee, and this is what void can't do.

[ornate hamlet]

im done good bye

[untold niche]

you can horde clear even with back to wall on void?

[true lake]

you guys acting like void a one man army lol

[ornate hamlet]

it is

[untold niche]

[true lake]

it takes quite some time to even charge it up anywah

[untold niche]

apparently he can horde clear with back to wall on void

[true lake]

not to mention peril will force you to take quick breaks anyway

even with cancels

[upper sun]

anyone know which ogryn stubber is the fast equip one?

[untold niche]

@lyric burrow you judge if im the "brick wall"

• i give situation void can't handle
• person argues that void can handle everything, including that situation
• seems like we disagree on definitions, but ultimately i did provide a situation where void is not able to handle itself which contradicts what the person said about how void can handle everything

I think you are a pretty reasonable person so maybe you can englighten me on what i could have done better / if i was wrong etc

[tired estuary]

achlys

[upper sun]

TA

[true lake]

I got that version but it doesn't have near that amount of patches? it only has like 8

[lyric burrow]

i wont lie its hard to have disscussions like this sometimes cause people play for different reasons
You guys fundamentally disagree on what void does well and doesnt do well, and you care more about power fantasy than Don as far as i can tell which will also affect how you want to nerf things.

i cant say personally ive had a ton of issues with void in any situation but you also have other weapons for a reason anyway so i think it can still be too strong in other areas despite having a weakness

[marble crater]

Maybe it has changed with a recent update, has been over a month since I did that

[true lake]

could I just force it through and be fine?

[upper sun]

why do i have better crafting luck with ogryn and vet than psyker and zealot?

[marble crater]

I don't know, I would just patch with the apk it says, make sure everything is updated and then it should work, right?

@upper sun because you are actually an Ogryn main and don't know it yet

[untold niche]

i would appreciate if you reply exactly to what i said.
Because to me, i provided a contradiction to his point, in the midst of that there were some unspoken disagreements on definitions.
Then he called me a dumbass despite himself not realizing its more of just a simple disagreement on definition.
He also did not address that i provided a counter example to his point.

maybe not disagreement but rather "not same understanding"

[calm sapphire]

its not a huge issue if u get surrounded while using void imo

just gotta learn to kite n shoot while u make your way out of an encirclement to a better position tho melee weps is more ideal for that situation

[untold niche]

eh from personal experience if you get hit by charging sometimes it goes up/down so it doesn't shoot anyone, makingit unreliable

so usually i just switch to illisi

[lyric burrow]

honestly he was probably just frustrated as its easy for this kinda convo to go in circles. i dont think it was like talking to a brick wall but after a certain point a lot of people will want to just agree to disagree

but im not don so i cant say for sure

[untold niche]

to me a discussion is fun because it provides perspectives rather than changing peoples opinions but everyone is different i guess.

like you see most of the time i was prompting you for why you felt this way etc

[lyric burrow]

yeah thats fine

when you are talking to me at least

[ornate hamlet]

it was, the fact i just said the same thing several time and he just ignored it. at a certain point its to much.

[calm sapphire]

do u bring smite or bubble with void?

[untold niche]

i do VS smite

[calm sapphire]

yeah if u have smite then that pretty much gives u space to spam void so u never really need to pull out your illisi imo

[untold niche]

idk im just surprised someone got mad at me for seemingly no reason
i don't see how i ignored what he said tho :v

[lyric burrow]

thats something you would have to ask don

i was not in chat

[ornate hamlet]

oh i just blocked not worth the headache

no asking

[untold niche]

blocked over not realizing its just we have different understanding of what stuff means, and not trying to clear that up first

no value lost.

[untold niche]

i don't like to use smite because it makes things too easy, like its almost you make all the enemies vanish

[upper sun]

this shit not even funny homie

[untold niche]

tbh convo isn't that long, outsider perspective would be cool to know if i was actually in the wrong
it doesn't matter to me if he blocks me, just i kinda wanna know how should i have went about it.

[near drift]

sweatiest surge staff anim canceller 500apm vs purg or smite press button and fall asleep

[lyric burrow]

I think his main point was voids only weakness is a situation you have tools for (void is also good at this) to prevent in the first place

But you were still talking about actually being surrounded/disagreed with how he said to handle it in regards to pushing

as an outsider i can really only say so much but the situation you are describing is one that only really comes up when things have gone pretty bad as kiting and moving around via pushing if you get into a tight space are pretty universal options to get out of this spot

which is what don was saying

[marble crater]

It is funny

[upper sun]

pick an ogryn weapon

[marble crater]

Shield

[paper lily]

mk4 is superior cleaver

[upper sun]

i already have a good shield

something other than shield,stubber, gauntlet, and kickback

oh ye no kickback too

[marble crater]

Rumbler

[calm sapphire]

paul

[upper sun]

ok lets go

[untold niche]

I see. What I meant was if enemies aren't in a line where void can hit them all, and you don't have enough space to literally just run around and whittle them on void you pretty much have to take out your melee / other horde clear option.

I thought it was pretty common due to the big zombie horde director sometimes spawns and quoted mercantile as an example because it seems most prominent there.

[untold niche]

Next patch Paul gets buffed

100%

You are pre grinding clad.

You be the first god roll Paul user

[upper sun]

[untold niche]

Not the Paul?

[upper sun]

whats a paul?

power maul?

[marble crater]

[upper sun]

FUCK

[paper lily]

damn brutal momentum

i wonder what kinda crazy shit u gotta do to make that blessing do literally anything with pmaul

[upper sun]

what do people like on pmaul

im gonna assume flak maniac

[untold niche]

Do a quick tour to ogryn chat

[upper sun]

ye ill check the guide

[untold niche]

BTW does your GG one shot mutie?

[upper sun]

my gg?

[untold niche]

Grenade vaubtlet

[upper sun]

ah

with the melee attack?

[untold niche]

No

Shoot

[upper sun]

lemme see

[marble crater]

Nothing, because it's really weak and not worth using right now

[upper sun]

nope 2680

[untold niche]

Time to roll another

[upper sun]

welllll at least brumomentum is good on everything

[upper sun]

it doesnt have maniac

[untold niche]

Hmm. You not interested in mutie one shot?

[upper sun]

idk what to do with it yet i dont play ogryb much

OOOKAY

[untold niche]

( granted game throws 12 muties at you with each one doing zero damage or 5% of hp)

[upper sun]

ONE MORE WEAPON

[untold niche]

I know the blessings are correct and I'm pretty sure you want flakiac for gunner and mutie BPs. Just try with loafout confug firs6

[untold niche]

On ogryn or any :3

[upper sun]

🤔 idk whatever you want as long as i have a good base

i dont have any good bases left for psyker tho

all rolled

[untold niche]

Oh so you only hadroning