#psyker-class
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lmaoo
ah thanks
So, where do you guys sit on the whole "we should get rewarded for killing bosses and daemonhosts" complaint
u get thrown mid game with 2 downs and 1 angered DH
Horde spawn at the same time as a plague ogryn. I got the plague ogryn's aggro so keeping it busy. So 3 guys could handle the horde yet somehow 2 went down.

Then my pc crashed too so I guess that put me out of my misery.
maybe they have that ultra omega horde you know
12 crusher 6 rager and 5 bulwark
or mayube they thought you were in trouble, ran to you and died on the way xD
Nah it's just 1 bruiser with his 10 mobsters
wats best psyker build atm?
all stronk, play what you want to play
No because I got the plague ogryn down to lower than 50% hp
whatever you like babe (trauma. void and cumnuts iag gunker still really strong)
Braindead is very strong, active effort is very strong
which one is active effort?

confused
voidstrike is not active effort
- as a voidstrike main
whichever builds/weapons I don't use
compared to surge/smite? 
surge is poo poo
Smite doesn't exist
bruh surge is so good wtf
nah i just feel i rather run void / trauma over surge
The high output for lor input is massive
so storm witch isnt viable anymore?
whats "storm witch"
also surge blitz cancel take more effort than voidstrike @supple dock
darth sidious build
surge is def weaker than trauma/void but so are a lot of things, its totally fine
Yeah but that's advanced shit
Illisi surge smite is best build.
thats just qq swap 
Still advanced!
"advanced" 
It takes muscle memory, rhythm, understanding of animations
totally fine
If you spam surge and f enough you don't need to do blitz cancel.
Surge is really good when nothing massive is happening but sucks when u get overwhelmed
And the ability to do it while balancing your peril and the hordes
Ez 1 mil damage with surge. 
You guys take for granted a LOT of the work you do
i think learning the easiest FG combo is harder than learning how to blitz cancel surge
"lol it's so braindead" > playing a class that literally gets 2shot by anything
yeah but you want shot the whole map
idk dodge better
? this isn't helpful or relevant to anything I've said
ig technically I'm working harder than when farce swords had infinite dodge count
I can't dodge. 
voidstrike braindead as hell
i can facetank rager and crushers as a "glass cannon"
How is that not braindead
okay, you're a braindead player instead of the good player like i was trying to portray you as
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
ofc me me average player
U don't need to look at the horde when u got trauma, u see I tend to look at the floor cause nothing ain't touching me 

kek
new challenge, ceiling only trauma
what should i build my curious in? toughness?
whatever you like
psyker is so busted it doesn't matter
idk sorry, psyker options are just generally so strong you really only prove yourself in situations you have to carry
you could run 9x stamina
the general advice is 3x stamina and 2 toughness curio
for perks its whatever you like
but honestly
whatever you like
i just need my 3x CDR curio perk
tahts the most important
I run 2 health 1 toughness
Stam is for soloing daemonhost lol
But with the new changes as long as you don't disturb them you probably won't ever need to fight them
some time they get angry at my voidstrike wheezing past them
I would too tbh
ok what's a good surge build?
ok i throw void ball at u

Creeping flames spam.
I use this one personally but adjust as you like
Surge smite owo
BB now insta casts on button press with EP stacks
Surge BB now new meta.
what's the melee?
BB EP shield is a mood
Perhaps
Illisi.
can't find dota dagon gifs
that good?
i would take BB if its 20% peril with no over peril protection but its insta cast
Some people like elite damage, so sure
the dump stat on surge is?
warp resistance
Ideally you'd want all 80s with 60 in crit bonus, because 80 in crit bonus is just 4% more crit on a high crit staff
i thought it affected crit bonus and damage?
But if we are talking personally, I'd prefer 70 in crit bonus and 70 in either warp or quell.
The crit damage is largely inconsequential.
mm, i see i see
No bad stat but you want warp resistance lowest and everything else as high as you can if given the chance
Realistically 100% all stats blaze trauma and surge would be so cracked.
100 blaze trauma would be crazy but I don't think I'd even notice the difference on 100% surge
you would on surge
The damage and crit chance
I think the scaling is 24% extra crit chance at 100
80 vs 53, imagine 100
That's a lot. More than a knife.

And the uber quell with high warp resist can probably let you get in 2 full charges from 1 quell tick.
78% surge getting up to 100 would make getting good gear easier
Random roll surge damage let's go
Just get 80% damage surge smh
how close it is to a no crit one tap
Also with warp rider or perfect timing it'll probably be fine
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Budget agile engagement also work

the worst was when i had literal fractional damage on my revolver
is not even 1 damage

the mandatory perk is flak?
How much do you pay for a car wash in Merica?
unyielding is bad?
Flak for surge for sure
Unyielding is good if you gonna play monster maelstrom
If you're planning on using your surge staff for boss damage unyielding isn't gonna be terrible
You wouldn't want to shock bosses usually if you have a god melee
But if you running a cope melee unyielding on surge is fine
surge staff does pretty good damage on its own
You'd need a boss dedicated weapon to outmatch it
I like flak maniac best. Kill all specials.
Maniac might be needed to crit kill flamers
And let you 2 shots dreg rager no crit.
Flak, Crit chance, unyielding, maniac..
random qn
is surge hitting the pimple intended or just nice pimple is center mass
i remember reading that it is
Agent any idea
wait kusu
do you play surge
yes
ah sorry.
I feel like the damage would be much bigger if it were
could be wrong though, this game is fucky in really odd ways
The rain is free.
still haven't seen my 80k a5mael
"wash me"
If you mean like a trip through one of those automated machine things, probably like $20?
Paying a person can be anything from $50 to 200-300$ it depends on what they are doing.
I don't have many of those
Normally I go to some Romanian/Albanian guys and let them scratch the duck out of it 
ok that sounds like what i typed


do they also address you by "sir" or "boss">?
Daddy
No that's the Turkish barbers
So your father hired a prositute?
I'm so confused
LETS SEE
fuck you atlas
Wait were you even making a joke, I don't get anything you've said
i wasn't making a joke
I just said he paid migrant workers that promised him to wash his car every day :v
thats literally all i said.
No you said he paid them every day and they never washed his car
no i did not say they never wash his car.


๐ค
you could ask one of the mods to recover the deleted msg
i can translate
they ran away and didnt wash the car


sometimes i don't know if atlas is actually fucking with me or its just genuine miscommunication

autistic man talking to autistic man both fall into the hole
I swear that's what he said
10 dollar usd bet
I have not been diagnosed with any condition.
last i read dsylexia doesn't change meaning of sentences 
How do you probably have dyslexia 
What state you from?
Despair




i am very normal
I think it can add and remove words from sentences?
Somehow I doubt that
gui i thought we are friends
you supposed to take my side
I feel like if you spam monkey gifs in a class-specific chat in a video game you can't claim to be normal



it could just be my ego leading me to distinguish myself from the others by using monkey gifs instead of pepe


emperor giftin ๐ฅ
insider joke being stan typos

which after the 20th time of dough posting them gets kind of boring
Wow like psyker chat huh 
buff trauma
Trauma weak
eh psyker chat not much insider joke i feel
and the trauma joke doesn't last like half an hour
also i can expect it
cool but how does this help us buff trauma

Zealot chat had more characters but the colorful ones were banned
yeah you guys are going to make this last half an hour right...
Make what last half an hour?

colourful in the you laugh at them way or the you laugh with them way
Yes

no nitro = monkey gifs

that's legit terrifying
i wouldn't even dare sleep
Ima go find a discord channel with a bunch of monkey related animated emotes
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when you could habe spent the timign doing trauma buff theory crafting????
trauma staff blazing spirit radius too low
i said it
we were all thinking it
i just had the balls to say it
i made that and it works well
this is the most unfortunate masterpiece i've seen in a while
Tf is "unfortunate masterpiece"
that charge rate 

should have let him live in bliss
Prayge
"y-y-yeah so charge rate doesn't matter that much on surge, its a pretty fast staff anyway"
Gift me nitro please thanks
technically, TECHNICALLY
If you have blitz cancel macro
it circumvents that

no it doesn't
REALLY/
You still need time to charge

You barely start the charge then let it go
I don't think it affects start time to be able to LMB?
You can cut the second part of the surge staff animation by swapping to your blitz
You can cancel the shocking animation by swapping
it works immediately with blitz
You save like 0.6 seconds
There's a delay with sword
bro fuck
Yee, it's microoptimization shit
No
so why my staff is an infortunate masterpiece?
Because it has EVERYTHING it needs
...but the charge rate is really ass and that tanks its dps
tanks your survivability too
since faster charging = dead things more easily and sooner before they're a threat
let me power through rng with millions then
Extract the blessing and move on
But it's not something you wanna keep 
You'll get a badder surge staff next time
*worse
Worser*
worserest
worstimate
You can make an EP smite staff
honestly yeah, this staff is legit
unarmoed to unyieldng, run-gun to flurry
EP smite/flaming shriek does no damage to crushers and bosses
So, I run a carpace unyielding with that build
crit rate carapace because my dagger is unyielding ๐

I'm supporting the team!

By soloing the boss!

i have this repeating mental image of someone being happy with his high damage surge staff with like a cahrge rate of a void staff then he reads the chat and sulks and uses config mod to see how fast surge actually should be
then he reads what kusu says and become happier again as if blitz cancel actualy reduices charge time somehow
like when you lie to a kid to make him happier
look at my downs/deaths
bro the whole match whenever i want to play properly i keep thinking of what kusu said
like i see 2 trappers
and then snail surge comes to mind
Bubble is instant 
snail surge isn't
fastest surge in the west
@ keet im not laughing at you btw.
its just the way kusu phrased it was funny
you will get a good staff soon enough
@supple dock
but like the other guy has the surge and the sword guy just walks up to slash him
takes a whole prayer to the emperor
i am close to 3M
I still have a perfect grey recon sitting around
yes
3m honestly isn't too awful
better upgrade it else you accidentally scrap
I think I've spent like 8 on my staff?
BT?
I don't really care if I scrap tbh 
what the curio?
why would you take corruption resistance
Stamina stays 
CDR is a must
i have both!
and corruption resistance because if I get bombed by 2 bursters it eats a wound and i just die
with corruption resist I just go down
it's niche but eh
it's happened enough that I want to prevent it
then i wouldn't change anything :v

30% revive speed let's you be a hero
to revive the teammate you couldn't save from the crusher with the surge?
Who doesn't want to be that guy 
its not even funny but i find it funny fuck
Oh damn
lmao
Selfish would probably consider that basically perfect
^
This is as close to perfect as 99.9% of the playerbase can even hope to think of
Itโs likely Flak
Def flak
I dunno if I should run carapace or flak on my surge for a smite focused build
i need to take a break
cause flak is gunners and maulers and pox flamers?
yeah fuck it flak
ooo magi auric, I should get a run in, I love that map.
i slide into him, then walked around
Fake hank
fank
Whats wrong?
kusu said something i found funny
and i haven't been able to play properly for like the past 15 minute
what is all that stuff on the side of your screen
DH cream?
why is it calling out your sliding status
that too
I remember when i was doing the perils of the warp penance and i just kept running at people charging my sword and blasting them
Was fun
I like penances like that one
Have you q'd yet
I said should, but I'm way too sleepy to actually do it this late

Traitor
i'll play it for you
The emperors will does not rest
The emperor is literally just resting all day every day
Bro is a lamp in a lighthouse, just chillin
isnt he permanently engaged in fighting demons in his mind for all time
His form is but he fights a great battle in the warp

Unlike YOU
Emperor giving off "I work 80 hours a week" CEO grindset scam.
Chain swords are so weird
The strike down light does more damage to flak than the heavies
Yeah. They dont work right
In what way
Zealot stuff
There's a bunch of cases like that Irosk
Bully clubs 1 and 2 on the ogryn
Overhead bonk does more damage to carapace
But sweep deals more to unyielding
I no play ogryn
Iirc the rashad and antax axes deal more damage to Maniacs with lights than with heavies
Yeah they do
You really have to study the damage table for every weapon lol, you find all these weird edge cases
Your name is "TheOrc"
that shit is taking forever
If i were you id wait till it gets changed
I can't understand anybody who doesn't play at least 3 builds on all 4 classes tbh
Not worth the grind
why doesnt it include gas barrels, hanging barrels and all variations of oil barrels
Because I am a sibling addict
Because fatshark hates double checking things

a friend keeps on calling me step-sibling and it makes me so uncomfortable
Bro just say psyker๐ญ
Careful, they are gonna ask you to unload the dryer.
is that telekine shield pennance bugged? I swear I was at almost done now I am less than half on it
"oh no im stuck in the medicae"
Are you stuck in that net, step-sibling?
ok no yeah that is bugged, I swear I was at 140k then in the match I was at 60k now I am at 120k back on the Mourning star
Trapper sis uwu
Theres a daemon in your pc gotta go purge it
the in-mission tracking is bugged, everything else works as intended
nah he wont leave
Did you ask nicely?
ah ok
of course, how else do i know im sliding
was about to be super upset if my progress was reset but still I swear I was at 140K before my last mission so I think it did go down
Seems ok
in-mission tracker resets to the last value pre hotfix when you get a single point of blocked damage then does nothing
THE ZEALOT USED CHOPRUS BUT MUTIE GRABBED HIM ANYWAY
I love this
Holy shit the horde clear on chain swords is fucking bonkers
Its passable vs unyielding and carapace at least
id say its very good vs unyielding
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ogryn doing 1 mil carry
https://outplayed.tv/media/vBnZlV
When you try find your way home, but instead find the emporer's light
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join a streamer, they're EU
which was fitting
is captain boss head flak or cara
Slowly faded into darkness and I let the Warp take him, this shit ainโt nothing to me man
It should be Flak
i played with 300 ping with agent and i couldn't shoot shit
thanks
At peace with his fate
Mostly melee is up
Anyone want to run it
(I will steal your soulblaze stacks)
Steam blocked in vietnam
Rip darktide
Goddamn commies at it again
We beat the mission then while the game was sitting there not doing anything with the target dead we all jumped to our deaths and it counted as a loss
It was funny
380 from grey on my psyker 
That's a great zaron- oh
Mega oof
Giga powerful Agri volver 
idk keep unyielding for funny boss dmg, flush infested + run n gun or just wait for crafting update lol
but is it illisi-tier?
Illisi doesn't have rev it up, owned
but it does have funny dashing heavies
and serviceable performance against all armor types
chainswords are just kinda bae tbh

just bricked two today
i loved them and then i found out there were even bigger ones
eviscerator my beloved
OH SHIT WATCH OUT THE DUTCH ARE COMING BACK
What Dutch, I don't get it
Monki no study history
donโt think id ever not take a dueling sword for psyker tho
theyโre so fun
and elegant
dueling sword is fun for bullying crushers
Me me noob so take illisi for easy horde clear
but illisi :)
the dutch had a bunch of colonies in SEA
illisi feels good
Shit wasn't that before British colonised us
yerr
itโs just fun dodging attacks and getting a huge finesse buff to one shot crushers and other things unfortunate enough to be at the end of your stab
little late to be worried about the dutch
๐ค how is AIAG on psyker?
I would have never made the connection
But how that link to the DH cream on the screen
less dps and better ranged performance
Are you running purge or trauma
than columbus i mean
๐ค ill get it anyways
its unbrickable
Agri feel nice to shoot
sounds good

All I know about the dutch is they eat chocolate sprinkles on bread
vastly prefer agri over columbus
gun :)
space G3
Assail?
smite
ds4 is good enough
Duelling sword is okay for horde clear
not great
Sorry can't relate to da4 for horde clear. 2 noob for that
on a gun psyker with dd + scriers itโs not bad at all
Brunt is selling a laspistol with strong base for once... shame it's not the variant i prefer...
I'll pick it up anyway
I don't get why Melk has funking tier 1 and tier 2 blessings
Me me can't use gaze cause not gunker
Welp... hadron did a hadron with it...
You need those
Heavy las pistol is pretty meh anyway
Flechette manstopper 
Run DD
Kantrael las pistol*
World of difference
I mean only those two no
I mostly just grabbed the thing because i saw 3 stats and 80% in brunts shop. I'm not really all that beat up over it.
now, if it were an Accatran on the other hand... I would be a lot more annoyed.
I haven't try void with da4 but when I last used it in psk to try to horde clear I felt like I was just surviving horse not clearing horde
Surviving horde is good enough
Yeah but I tkse chip damage here and there
Pierce through the void and strike through your enemies young lad
No horde can stop you

Plus I never needed to run fast on void
Duelling sword got more cleave than dagger
Somehow I was always the first
Once you play knife vs horde your mind will expand
Average player is always kinda slow
I tried cknkfe zealot in psk vs zombies and it was OK. At least xknife is fast and can actually cleave
Unless they have -70% trapper resistance, then they are the fastest motherfuckers alive
Grooming the heretics

This is me
I swear somehow the minus 1 ram make the some come out slower. I have been dogged and trapped alot more recently
๐ ๐ช
Also when kusu said the snail surge trapper resist went down
half of the people I've played with today had 0% trapper/dog resistance, and i felt like I had to be the babysitter...
I'm constantly getting 5 disabled per game
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Not that kind of grooming, unless 
I thought max player count was 4?
Director himself got hounded
No. AS in I got disabled 5 times myself per bame
My point stands that you guys are the real degens. Kirvh cream was just a meme.
I hope hadron gets sent to a scrapyard and turned into paperclips.
Bro you posted a gif of Kirby reaching 100% peril, no one can beat you, don't worry
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Throw an emp and her brain literally BSODs
That wasn't a gif. And that was just some spilled milk. Dirty minded smh
Need 3 rounds no death. Got 11 deaths instead. 
Inshallah you are not going to get it today
I'm going sedition. 
If you come sedition how do I get my top frag ego screenshots
I just said kirby reached 100% peril cause he's a bad gamer, what are you talking about?
When did j post kirby with 100% peril?
I'll explain when I get home. Just ping me here around 5 hours later
Isn't it just one mod?

Whqts with tye knowing smile pepe

Doesheknowpega
I wanted to commission bryan but that emote but the bryan cord admin said he would give me prisoner role
I got temporary prisoner role for posting kirby cream
Who's bryan
Prisoner just means your name becomes brown colour
Bryan fury from tekken
It would fit his character quite well
In tekken 7 he gained some hp back from girl characters stepping on him

It was just me and an evis zealot most of the game. The other 2 were floor specialists.
They were sent to atoma as building inspectors
Everyone has a role. Maybe the map wasn't clean enough that's why they needed to bent down to mop
Agent you have to be mor3 open minded we talked about this
Powerwashing simulator does have a warhammer DLC, maybe they got confused
I liked the funny mk5 shovel 1 shot build though.
But horde clear is kinda ass.
But crushers and maulers waves were no problem. 
That would never happen in SEA
I dare disagree with the horde clear on Mk5 being ass
Itโs not stellar, but itโs mostly โOKโ
STOP

The vet would waste his krak on like a single crusher and then when real mixed horde crusher comes everyone dies
You have VIOLATED THE LAW
Do you play with heavy hitter or fnp?
See this is degen shit

Cos mk3 without heavy hitter is quite fast horde clear.
The wind up for mk5 heavy is noticeably slower.

The man has perfect control over their emotions
It was shut down

Like a fly swatted put of the air
I enable artistic, emotional expression
Are you suggesting he should disable me? I think that's against TOS, time for another visit to the prionsoner role.
Kirby cream had plenty emotional expression

I think someone got to you beforehand
plenty
Did the mods not like it 

Not in zealot chat. One day I would sneak one here instead of a monkey gif
I think it's because of zealot chats uh
Colourful history.
Itโs a thought experiment. No offence to Zealot chat, ofc 
You can't offend a zealot
They already hate you
Got that.
Even if Zealot is my least played career/class
Mardyrdom right? All 3 wound curios
Kusu pls
No more dumb dumb

Chatise martyr cknife
They will stab faster than trauma buffs
Kusu secret zealot chat main
Perma ban for all zealot mains please
I'm sure. He just made a psyker chat main perform poorly
By spouting some ridiculous stuff
Kusu should get prisonered
How do I prove I'm a psyker main, if I don't have access to the true level mod? 
Isn't max wounds same on sedition and damnation
Nah, hes not built for prison like you are
Fake zealot exposed

boys is it me or does surge staff just doesnt feel good
Get true level mod and play a5histg
Surge is OP.
what can it do better than the other staves actually
surge makes fuck for minimal effort. low level psykers feel awful with staves
I'm on Xbox, no mods for us 
It can run this build better than other staves
I like this guy.
BT/void both better than surge
Effortless crowd control on 2 targets of any non-Monster size, whilst having to aim very little, and it has respectable kill thresholds on most typical targets
Surge allows you to juggle more things without having to worry about properly aiming
Imagine not being able to play the game because none of the enemies are moving or shooting at you
And it pairs well with flaming shriek spam
I still get fucked up playing AM so 
Oh yeah, it also builds peril somewhat quickly
Surge is also the most effective staff for killing ranged mobs, which pubs never do.
Isit really 
Having trouble with void aiming? No papa. Telling lies? No papa.
Kills one every 2 secpnds
When that lone ranged mob is peaking at you from behind going pew pew
You need a lil surge
defintiely. You don't have to aim and hunt them all down, it 1taps them, and it has juuust enough bounce range to hit the other shooters
I guess it succs them from behind cover
No aiming, no effort, just dead ranged mobs
But so does shriek
Shriek unfortunately isn't 360 coverage
and shrieking 2 ranged mobs is a lil silly
But someone has to kill them
Cooldown owo
tbh i need to do this more often
does surge deal good damage against special targets
cause I'll walk into a place, have 3 shooters around and decide nah it's not an issue
then I just get eaten alive
Right, it's never anyone's problem, and then they randomly get downed, blame their team for sucking, and leave while being 4th place on the scoreboard.
lmaoo
I was surprised we had 3 servers in common, then I remembered I stole your cats


So the third is the furry RP one?


sad about carapace but whatever

Smite the carapace




Anya is so dummy she's funny af.


I literally just figured out what that emote was
I thought it was a amongus with a potato
Congrats










is playing helldivers heresy?

Not playing helldivers is heresy
We need a global war effort in this game


this game way to easy



Then you donโt need me contributing 
You shall contribute, be it by burden or blood
โheavy caliber assault rifleโ
same dmg as liberator
10 less mag size
40 less rof
????????
also after reaching level 60 im kinda done with the game for now until they add something a bit more meaningful
their balancing is kinda ???????? and the announcement of no transmog made me sad, cause gameplay tied to appearance kinda blows
im going to play blaze trauma with dd now
nope, light pen
just for the knife
i want game fix lmao
if they didnโt release any content for like 2 months and actually fixed all the fuckin bugs id be more than happy
You got 99 levels and an arc aint one

Yeah. So many bugs. They only recently fix the dot
So incendiary shotgun should be really good now
i cant believe it took 3 months for dots to work lmao

in a game with constant rebalance patches
Swedish people man
idk one of my main gripes with the game is that a weapon cannot be allowed to be anything more than usable/barely viable
it doesnโt have to be op, if itโs the best or even just most used itโs gonna get nerfed
im happy they havenโt touched the scorcher since launch
but discussing balancing online either goes one of two ways, โgame sucks, developers are awful and donโt know how to make a good gameโ
or
โnoo you canโt criticize the devs or the game!! itโs a 10/10 game and you have no idea what youโre talking about cause youโre not a devโ
so i usually never talk about helldivers here lmao
Scorcher is based at taking out titans sacs
most gamers are good at identifying problems and are bad at finding solutions to said problems
even when they're good at finding solutions, they can still be blind to other possibilities, convinced their solution is the only one
also most gamers are pretty radical and close-minded when it comes to opinions and shit like that
this basically
ive seen one clip where they dumped one entire mag into a brood commander and it didnt stop its call
Test all 5 New Weapons from Polar Patriots Premium Warbond in Helldivers 2.
0:00 PLAS-101 PURIFIER (ENERGY-BASED)
0:55 SMG-72 PUMMELER (SUBMACHINE GUN)
1:37 AR-61 TENDERIZER (ASSAULT RIFLE)
2:30 P-113 VERDICT (PISTOL)
3:07 G-13 INCENDIARY IMPACT (SPECIAL GRENADE)
youre supposed to use strategems (!!!)
i'm part of a closed test group for another game, i had to gaslight the only opponent of one of my buffs into doing what i wanted; buff turned out perfect, weapon didn't disrupt the meta but is now usable and a viable alternative
guy was convinced it would become the default pick (it didn't)
Psyker gets a grenade update
imagine psyker nuke
I wish for that one day psyker gets an actual blitz that is a grenade
what would a psyker grenade blitz even do? stuff like Vortex Grenades (grenades that send everyone within the explosion radius into the warp) have been retconned out of existence a long time ago iirc...
Getting a limited Blitz like the other classes sounds like a downgrade, to be honest. One of the things I love is that I can completely ignore ammo and grenades, we can be fully combat ready at all times
psyker's complete self-reliance is #1 reason the class is so overtuned
Maybe like an impact grenade sort of, a quick shot of a high explosive warp projectile that explodes on enemy contact or while hitting an object and wouldnt cost any grenade refill or whatever
Actually...grenades on gun psyker

So much carnage
may as well play vet at that point imo, since why play psyker in the first place (gun or no gun), if the only truly warp-based thing you have is your ult?
Because vet isnt as cool as a mother fucking space wizard with a glock
well, a wizard without magical abilities is not a wizard anymore, now is he/she/they/it?
also something funny the community found out
the guy heading the balancing and the โsenior game designerโ for the game is the one who ruined the game hello neighbor 2
i guess he gutted the game by not listening to the community and introducing a load of changes nobody cared for or wanted before bailing out on the studio lmao
all the bits about him make him seem like an idiot with his head up his own ass
even the ceo has acknowledged the balancing feels like ass and said โevery time we add something fun, it feels like we take something fun awayโ
so hopefully it gets properly addressed
that kind of person is frequently found on balance teams
whats the other game>
the team i'm on has gone through 4 of those kinds of people, and i always told them their changes were going to be poorly received and need to be rolled back, and i was always right
They magically make 90% of their bullets crit enemies and do a fuck ton of damage that they can solo bosses by themself and take on hordes of enemies by themself
self-reliance isn't much of an issue given that ammo is not a scarce resource in this game
Bullet wizzards is kinda dope
he has said shit like โcause i think soโ when asked questions about balancing
when you need a grenade and none of the boxes have any for 5 minutes
rumbler
Scrier is just an ability that lets you go doom slayer mode
great, lemme just bring a rumbler every match 
great, lemme just bring a trauma every match

if you're talking about infinite grenades, then there are ways to balance it without making it a finite resource
time is the natural resource to balance off of, though brain burst suffers from how it's been implemented for it
vet has nade regen, zealot has throwing knives, ogryn has rocks though I don't know how good that is
so, pertaining to vet and zealot which I do know of, they can poop out grenades as well
ah, so you are one of those people who sees Gaze as a weapon-enchantment ult. I see Gaze not as that, but as an ult that enhances the psyker's powers to make them more capable of drawing warp-energy for purposes of making their skills at handling weapons better...
Make it have a long ass charge time before it can be used again like vet's grenade recharge ability
rocks have niche use-case but are admittedly very good in that niche, but when you need a nuke and literally no box has one for 5 minutes it gets annoying
meanwhile psyker press F for vent/just lock down entire room with smite
yeah smite is strong but infinite resource is only one of the reasons
and we can just absolutely kneecap its stun (or make it into something more interesting that isn't what it currently is)
psyker is far and away the strongest class; you can bring unlimited single target damage, CC, and toughness regen in the same build and never take up the resources your teammates need
absolutely not far and away
psyker's squishiness is the only thing holding it back
but even that can largely be trivialized
we're at a point where I am reluctant to call any particular class "the strongest" because the differences are not that much to make a strong conclusion (and also because I don't want to get into those arguments)
at least for vet/zealot, I can find a steamroll build that feels as comfy as on psyker
I use gaze often, during hordes with just a melee, rushing gunners packs, soloing bosses
I mostly save my ammo for my gaze and use assail + melee maelstorm combo for general use, I think of it as a combo since Ill be meleeing for awhile and building perfect timing, dd and maelstorm stacks then quickly killing a pack of enemies with assail then switching back to melee
ye thats why each class has an option to get blitzs that can regen
ogryn needs ammo, vet needs ammo, zealot needs ammo
yeah and ammo just doesn't matter
zealot does not need ammo
if your teammates are karkheads and take the ammo/grenades, you're kneecapped
there's a lot to pick up and 2 ammo crates spawn
running block cost x3 and the block stam convert to peril node is nuts
assuming you have a good melee weapon you dont need ammo
Ogryns are the strongest by definition. Example: they can carry objects without the need to slide everywhere.
if you're vet, you bring a mild amount of sustain
vet/ogryn have +25% ammo talents and both have some nade regen
zealot has great pure melee support talents and throwing knives
Ogryns are definitely strongest class
zealot's sustain is second to psyker's, if a vet/ogryn run out of ammo they're far less useful
As long as they have batter and that bleed dmg resist node
there is theoretically 1000% ammo and 2 ammo packs on the map which adds up to 1800% ammo, though I've personally only seen up to 850% ammo
you only really need ammo on zealot if you run chorus+no throwing knives after switched builds i stopped using ranged on zealot lmao
yeah and I'm saying that there are ways to not run out of ammo
running out of ammo happens
it's never happened to me, that's for sure
not to me either
Bring back 200 toughness vet.
but it still happens
...
To really make them the strongest
If you shoot garbage yeah you're gonna run out of ammo
wh
Actually bring back old volly fire as well
ive seen it happen a few times even if you dont shoot trash
some people refuse to top up
i don't base my judgment of class performance on my own performance in said class, if i did i'd say they're all fairly great (which they are)
like if everyone is at white and im missing a few rounds id top up
Theoretically? Where can that information be found, if anywhere, or is it mostly measured via scoreboard ammo pick-ups and โconstantโ values of say, always finding 2 medipacks and 2 ammo crates in missions?
i'm not a peak player either
I wish that psyker could have a psyker exclusive gun, not staffs but his own gun SPACE WIZARD GUN
people only loot 2/5 games
my aim isn't good but there are guns that you can run if you are afraid of running ammo
e.g., all autogun families are hard to run out of ammo with
Iโm not one of those people 
infantry lasguns
Guns have different ammo economy
I didn't mean Gaze's usage, I meant the lore reasons why Gaze makes attacks stronger (I also don't care much for that, but I do know that I don't see it as a weapon-enchantment ability).
(you dont need to aim if you just run slide closer)
weapons like revolver are balanced around a low ammo economy and sure you're more likely to run out of ammo if you're more gungho
but that's just the nature of it
you're well on the high side of the bell curve; remember that half of all players are worse than average
the thing is that you can always bring an ammo-efficient weapon
If you truly want infinite ammo use an infantry lasgun
and good thing that lower difficulties exist
you ever see people absolutely fail in sedition? i have
I imagine gaze involves either adding more kenitic energy to the weapon itself or warp fuckery makes the bullets hit more vital points (thus critical hits)
book runs on sunday are eye opening
if people are running out of ammo and that is posing a challenge, that is an indicator that they should step down
1 sucks, 1 is good, 1 is a sniper
then sure we can widen the dynamic range of difficulties
Just talking about ammo economy
gunners should run out of ammo too its only fair
if people are running out of ammo in sedition, then that is certainly and absolutely on them
make ammo a free for all even enemies should pick it up
They do, they do reload
i like planting my shield until they all have to reload. stupid bubble runs out of HP after like 3 seconds vs a room of gunners
I think I have heard dreg gunners thank Nurgle for ammunition when they reload...
it's in here indirectly https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/ffc817c6c8e56eaf084dae85411f2fa6141404b4/scripts/settings/pickup/pickup_settings.lua#L175
Also wanna say this now, scrier is the only "fun" ability psykers has
also one more thing about crates ive seen people finish 2 crates before an event ends
to wit: give said people a strong psyker build and they'll literally never run out of ammo and be entirely self sufficient
i forget what numbers i used when calculating the total ammo but I think i used 15% for small clips and 45% for large? i forget
















