like you dont even need flurry it already charges up fast
#psyker-class
upper sun
upper sun
and arguably flurry is even bad on it since it lowers peril production
rigid sky
You can just spam min duration ones for hectic play
stoic thorn
Am I missing something with the Psyker Atheneum? Does it say Unyielding on the Accatran Las because flak or maniac dont help it reach any breakpoints or something
upper sun
more boss damage prolly check its unyielding modifiers
i wouldnt know im not much of a gunker
stoic thorn
Yeah valid, i'll probably just hop in the meat grinder when i get home to see how it feels
stoic thorn
i wouldnt know im not much of a gunker
i'm just bored of running columnus of duty 😭
upper sun
every colum i rolled on zealot and vet turned into a god roll
everyone i tried for psyker bricked
i think its hardron's way of telling me to stick to staves
stoic thorn
She gave me a demi-god surge staff which was nice, honestly i've been having way too much fun with destiny + scrier's and my force sword lately
you have infinite toughness and like ~+50% movespeed while killing, you feel like a caveman
rigid sky
You mean the pistol?
stoic thorn
You mean the pistol?
yee
untold niche
i'm just bored of running columnus of duty 😭
i think you can try agri
fun to headshot with since its accurate
stoic thorn
crit damage is a bait stat that doesnt work how it should
If a gun on crit does 100 + 50 on a crit it becomes 100 + 1.1(50) instead of 1.1(150)
So 155 instead of 165
halcyon gust
Yay a 17% Toughness.....But it is more another class 
stoic thorn
I swear getting toughness relics is the hardest thing on earth
halcyon gust
I'm on the hunt of a +3 stamina on my vet
upper sun
like wats the context
like is the formula for crit damage is ( normal hit - crit hit)*10%
but for surge is it a double crit instead?
spice veldt
yeah
but it's still proportionally a (normal hit - crit hit) * 10%
the fact that it's a double crit is just the status quo
if it didn't apply to the second projecitle, then you'd be getting the benefit only half the time, in which case the average benefit would be
(normal hit - crit) * 10% * 50%
spice veldt
though not because of surge but because you're critting a lot
upper sun
50% OF THE TIME WORKS EVERY TIME
untold niche
wai normal hit minus crit hit
me me dumbo
spice veldt
that's how you calculate the bonus crit damage
upper sun
wai normal hit minus crit hit
me me dumbo
how do you think crit damage and weak points are calculated?
spice veldt
if you do 120 on a crit, and 100 on a normal hit, then (120 - 100) = 20 is the bonus damage from critting
upper sun
like this is the sheet for a columnus infgun
untold niche
if you do 120 on a crit, and 100 on a normal hit, then (120 - 100) = 20 is the b...
oh ok
i misunderstood
upper sun
10% of 230 is 23 you would think you get that much extra on an unarmored hit
but in reality its only 10% of (230-104) about 12 extra
rigid sky
And bear in mind also, CIAG is one of the best case weapons for that
upper sun
ye
rigid sky
Some weapons get like a 20% bonus on crit
upper sun
its the thing i had open at the time
rigid sky
Most ogryn weapons for instance
potent echo
do you got patchie though
upper sun
delet
rich spindle
I keep my +10% crit damage on illisi
I nkw believe that maniac damage on melees is bad unless you need it to one shot muties
halcyon gust
Muties and Dreg Ragers in a pinch
rich spindle
Being backed up in a corner where you cant ranged attack a rager and need to melee them happens like 1/20 games for me
halcyon gust
I tend to Melee ragers often as they ignore my teammates and go straight for me 
Sure charge at me. I have full stacks of Unstable power and one swing of my sword will behead you after warping it up
rich spindle
Lol im not even risking a hit
Since they attack with both axes and you always take health damage on hit
halcyon gust
If I take some scratch damage from a rager. I take some damage
Most of my psyker deaths is popping my brain out
stoic thorn
I keep my +10% crit damage on illisi
Maniac melee is bad
Damage is an overrated stat roll
the true awakening 🙏🏿
plucky flax
Maniac melee is bad and same with flak on gun!
In fact I only play white weapons.
All perks and blessings are bad!
stoic thorn
We only use sprint efficiency in this house
stoic thorn
In fact I only play white weapons.
honestly you could probably get away with it if you used a columnus gunker kek
green pilot
and toughness regen
stoic thorn
All my trinkets are grimoire resist & xp🗿
green pilot
bro is picking up books
wooden ibex
the build consists of holding right-click, or putting block on caps-lock
i call it the twitter build
green pilot
for the sacred knowledge
stoic thorn
bro is picking up books
look man i need something to hold in front of me in the elevator/airlock
orchid shadow
Weird way of thinking about it, as if every staff needs to excel at everything all the time. It does well at specialist and elite hunting and cc, and nerfs to assail doesn't hurt or change that.
stoic thorn
I mean tbh the problem with surge is that it cant reach any breakpoints without critting
It's fun and I like using it though
green pilot
Surge is good, the only problem I have with it is I keep popping my brain out with it 🤣
stoic thorn
Surge is good, the only problem I have with it is I keep popping my brain out wi...
Warp Siphon + good Quell speed and we shockin
green pilot
Warp Siphon + good Quell speed and we shockin
i'm just an R word bruv
stoic thorn
lmao felt that in my bones
every time I stop playing gunker if I'm not using venting shriek I'll int from lack of remembering 💀
My favorite was overloading from charging my Illisi when I swapped or from a las pistol push
wind spruce
I guarantee you I know it more than you, and voidstrike is better than rending trauma
viscid matrix
Trauma is an aquired taste, you have to like placing circles by looking up
wind spruce
I love trauma
digital narwhal
I guarantee you I know it more than you, and voidstrike is better than rending t...
Fyi:
Saying "I know more than you" isn't a good way to get people to listen to you.
Stroking your own ego is a fast pass way to get people to hate you.
crude vortex
"I know more than you" source?
Trauma is a tricky one but it's fun to send things flying once you learn the tricks
crude vortex
Can't aim? Purgie
rigid sky
I mean, Blaze Trauma is better than Rending Trauma generally imo
digital narwhal
I mean, Blaze Trauma is better than Rending Trauma generally imo
I prefer Rending Trauma due to the funny interaction with Creeping Flames and Perilous Combustion tbh
rigid sky
I think voidstrike is overall better than rending Trauma, it's more or less even with Blaze trauma (or slightly worse than it)
digital narwhal
Watching everything burn even harder is funny
rigid sky
I prefer Rending Trauma due to the funny interaction with Creeping Flames and Pe...
OK that's a good point specifically
My trauma builds are usually dome
balmy zephyr
bro psyker penances make me wanna reach max peril
rigid sky
It's a kind of tank psyker
balmy zephyr
i just got the going out with a bang penance and the game didnt even count it cause we got clapped
no storm witch outfit for me
proper osprey
I guarantee you I know it more than you, and voidstrike is better than rending t...
Stroke me until completion
digital narwhal
Plus, Brittleness does actually benefit Trauma ever since the rework to Rending and Brittleness, so it's not entirely a team support Blessing, like it used to be once upon a September (before October 4th).
rigid sky
Actually did you actually kill an Elite with it, and not a specialist?
balmy zephyr
yes
the game literally said i got the penance
it shows the achievement in my account
orchid shadow
I mean tbh the problem with surge is that it cant reach any breakpoints without ...
It can 1-shot shotgunners, ragers and maulers can go down in 2 if I have enough peril and warp charges. All the bigger ones should take 3-4. None of those need crits. The crits are just bonus. It's not buggeed-EP levels of damage, but it has break points
balmy zephyr
but no drip
rigid sky
It should have worked regardless of mission completion
balmy zephyr
i know
whixch is crazy
i got cliffhanger and it worked like that
except we won
wish me luck ill tell yall if i got it
proper osprey
I mean tbh the problem with surge is that it cant reach any breakpoints without ...
This
digital narwhal
Surge needs another fat rework; the auto aim is providing so much ease of use that it's likely hampering potential buffs to reach key breakpoints due to it.
Plus, Surge is boring.
rigid sky
But my friends started playing again recently
So I might see if I can get them to help some day
stoic thorn
It can 1-shot shotgunners, ragers and maulers can go down in 2 if I have enough ...
Yeah it was a bit hyperbolic, but it's a very annoying ramp up to get the siphon stacks when you leave an elite with 30 hp and they get grazed by a teammate
Honestly I'd take a nerf to Dirupt Destiny's damage if they made it so that stacks fall off one at a time and speed up after the first one if over
wind spruce
Fyi:
Saying "I know more than you" isn't a good way to get people to listen to y...
Fyi:
Unsolicited advice is also not a good way to get people to listen to you
wind spruce
Especially when I was just responding in kind
rigid sky
Fact.
digital narwhal
Fyi:
Unsolicited advice is also not a good way to get people to listen to you
It's the internet, everything is open to be responded to with someone else's dialogue.
I see your point, but your approach in response will less than admirable.
orchid shadow
Plus, Surge is boring.
Well that's a matter of opinion. I really only have 1 build I use and every other class is barely 15 games over level 30. This play time is 95% Surge staff.
digital narwhal
Well that's a matter of opinion. I really only have 1 build I use and every oth...
Very fair
wind spruce
It's the internet, everything is open to be responded to with someone else's dia...
You might aswell tell me the sky is blue, it's about as relevant to what I said.
I wasn't going for admiration.
upper sun
All perks and blessings are bad!
so tru so tru i also have cut off 3 fingers from each hand because otherwise the game is too easy
digital narwhal
Not going for admiration doesn't mean it's suddenly fine to approach a situation with a comment that could make one come across as feeling superior.
The whole "I know more than you" is an easy way for people to just ignore you.
upper sun
Well that's a matter of opinion. I really only have 1 build I use and every oth...
post ur staff
wind spruce
Not going for admiration doesn't mean it's suddenly fine to approach a situation...
It absolutely is fine to do that.
digital narwhal
It absolutely *is* fine to do that.
I see the kind of person I'm dealing with now.
Good day, sir.
See you.
wind spruce
Dude, get off your high horse.
viscid matrix
Void is a grenade launcher, trauma is a flame blast
2 different weapons with a different playstyle
digital narwhal
I dunno.
digital narwhal
I mean, I just think it's incredibly weird to hit someone with the "I know more than you" without an elaboration to your point, as it makes you come off as feeling as if you're superior to others.
I genuinely replied to you in an attempt to perhaps see if you didn't know that was the vibe that was being communicated, but it seems you don't care.
Why approach you with civility when you clearly don't care for it?
wind spruce
I mean, I just think it's incredibly weird to hit someone with the "I know more ...
Dude, you aren't even quoting my correctly.
They said I don't know about blazing trauma and rending trauma
vestal fulcrum
My beloved says that you should watch your language, sibling
wind spruce
I say I guarantee I know it more than them (I should've said "about them")
It wasn't a serious interaction
Chill.
proper osprey
My beloved says that you should watch your language, sibling
I’m so sorry sibling I shall
digital narwhal
digital narwhal
https://tenor.com/view/mods-discord-mod-moderator-moderation-clash-of-clans-gif-...
Homie deleted it as if audit logs don't exists
vestal fulcrum
Well, at least I have warned them 
digital narwhal
I say I guarantee I know it more than them (I should've said "about them")
Ah my bad homie, my blind ass missed a couple words.
I concede.
plucky flax
Well that's a matter of opinion. I really only have 1 build I use and every oth...
Very based I too like surge. Just because I can't play more than 2 rounds of blaze trauma in a row.
orchid shadow
post ur staff
I've used this thing for the last 10 months, since Hadron has bricked just about every good base I could find in search of Flak T4. 😦 One can only have hope that the itemization tweaks mentioned by Fatshark will be.. good, for lack of a better word. =/
proper osprey
Gtg I must rub my pussy and feed it
upper sun
I've used this thing for the last 10 months, since Hadron has bricked just about...
ikr i feel exactly the same way ive been on the hunt for a surge with flak4 and elite4
vestal fulcrum
Not that I've been playing this game.
Could be This Year ™️ actually
upper sun
and this asshole @plucky flax has one
plucky flax
Could be **This Year** ™️ actually
Well update about update was supposed to arrive this month.
It is now the end of the month.
vestal fulcrum
and this asshole <@150967101836886016> has one
I also happen to have one
orchid shadow
Nono, this year is only the announcement for the update.
proper osprey
I've used this thing for the last 10 months, since Hadron has bricked just about...
I love surge I really do but I have it has no cc, and breakpoints
digital narwhal
Who cares about Surge Staff when you could have a Columnus Infantry Autogun?
upper sun
I also happen to have one <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
flurry 3 fail!
upper sun
unusable!!!!!!
vestal fulcrum
Who cares about Surge Staff when you could have a Columnus Infantry Autogun?
boring ass shitty ass gun 
digital narwhal
plucky flax
and this asshole <@150967101836886016> has one
I could have flak 4 elite 4 since I have open perks but I prefer maniac and flak.
2 shot dreg rager is gud.
I dunno if I can do it without +25 maniac.
upper sun
fun fact all of those staves are void just with other skins
proper osprey
I love gunker but damm I love staffs better
balmy zephyr
fun fact all of those staves are void just with other skins
*surge
upper sun
closest i ever got to the forbidden surge with two free perks 😭
orchid shadow
Who cares about Surge Staff when you could have a Columnus Infantry Autogun?
My aim is as shaky as a stressed coffee addict on a wooden rollercoaster during an earthquake.
upper sun
t4 barrage wow so good 😡
proper osprey
vestal fulcrum
Suppression ™️ supreme ™️
proper osprey
closest i ever got to the forbidden surge with two free perks 😭
That’s really good
I’d change flurry with nexus and it’s perfect
upper sun
why suppress a man
proper osprey
What, why Flurry
More crit
upper sun
before stunning him
proper osprey
Okay, better question, why not get rid of Terrifying Barrage?
Suppression can make a line of gun or stop shooting
Just by killing one
vestal fulcrum
Yeah, but, why?
vestal fulcrum
You really don't need to specialize in shooter killing typically
proper osprey
And giving you breathing room
vestal fulcrum
the TB part
It should be, yeah.
rigid sky
maybe you're looking at the weapon's natural suppression and are attributing it to TB?
vestal fulcrum
If you want to suppress shooters
Just LMB at their general position in their general direction
orchid shadow
That's what LMB bolt spam is for. Terrifying barrage is useless.
rigid sky
It's like this rock I have that stops me from being attacked by orks
I've never been attacked by an ork since I picked it up
so it must be working
proper osprey
It’s a matter of preference
digital narwhal
Suppression can make a line of gun or stop shooting
Okay but why not just kill them?
vestal fulcrum
It's not
digital narwhal
Or actually CC them?
vestal fulcrum
TB sucks
proper osprey
Okay but why not just kill them?
True
upper sun
one day i will find whoever thought up terrifying barrage and i will unplug their fridge right after they go on holiday
vestal fulcrum
Actually, we just prefer having a typically more generalist blessing on Surge
upper sun
what if surge worked for surge
vestal fulcrum
Suppression from LMB is strong enough, and for TB to work, you basically have to be up the faces of shooters
viscid matrix
what if surge worked for surge
It would be s tier
rigid sky
I like suppression, I just think TB is a bad source of it
vestal fulcrum
what if surge worked for surge
DOUBLE LIGHTNING
upper sun
actually i bet thats the exact reason they didnt add it
because surge surge sounds fucking stupid
viscid matrix
I like suppression, I just think TB is a bad source of it
It doesn’t achieve anything on the fire staff since it does the same thing already when you are using it
proper osprey
Suppression from LMB is strong enough, and for TB to work, you basically have to...
I use flurry with mine I’m just saying ever since I played around with TB it was really good
rigid sky
I'd always rather have another blessing
even on Purgatus which only has one really good blessing
viscid matrix
actually i bet thats the exact reason they didnt add it
It would make sense for surge staff more than the others
But the devs don’t like fun
rigid sky
I would like Fan The Flames on Purgatus actually
proper osprey
I was practically Ignored my any gunner
rigid sky
or Showstopper
vestal fulcrum
I use flurry with mine I’m just saying ever since I played around with TB it was...
I'm happy for you, but that by itself doesn't make TB a good nor effective a blessing
upper sun
tbh surge might be one of the most fun staves but it is kinda underpowered
proper osprey
I would like Fan The Flames on Purgatus actually
rigid sky
I know they're not worth it on flamer but I think they'd work better on purgatus
upper sun
the secondary target deals like what 10% damage?
vestal fulcrum
tbh surge might be one of the most fun staves but it is kinda underpowered
It... still does things it's supposed to do relatively well
proper osprey
I wish the flamer was a overheat weapon
viscid matrix
tbh surge might be one of the most fun staves but it is kinda underpowered
Because when it was OP they nerfed it a few weeks later, but when other weapons are op they don’t care
rigid sky
tbh surge might be one of the most fun staves but it is kinda underpowered
I don't understand how it's fun though lol, it's so uninteractive
proper osprey
And didn’t consume ammo
jovial juniper
Big damage
proper osprey
I’m talking about zealots not purg
viscid matrix
Realised after rereading it
untold niche
I've used this thing for the last 10 months, since Hadron has bricked just about...
just have to spend another 300k dockets
hexed geyser
300k? That's what it costs to get a decent weapon. When you want to upgrade a good one it takes everything
halcyon gust
Hadron sees a good weapon. She'll brick it unless she's in the rare good mood once every 1000 cycles
green pilot
I love surge I really do but I have it has no cc, and breakpoints
it has cc tho
viscid matrix
like us bricking weapons and spending more time redoing them
patent wing
i swear gunker sux
viscid matrix
i swear gunker sux
Only if you do it wrong
patent wing
one mag to kill a crusher with only headshots
green pilot
gunker is the best solo option, it can deal with any situation
patent wing
one fking mag
with sg
and u have to wait for it to ramp up in dmg, even more with the finesse dmg boost perk which tages ages itself
cant do shit vs bulwarks since melee is always risky
green pilot
cant do shit vs bulwarks since melee is always risky
you just bait their attack
aim for their head
patent wing
while 5 shotgunners, 2 snipers and a flamer aim for me, and having to watch out for mutants and bursters
patent wing
there are situations where u cant position urself perfectly
many situations like that
yeah i have a brainburst build with the -20% peril perk instead of 30% finesse dmg after ten years of SG active and its good
but still worse than a staff
one mag for a crusher
hf in melee scab mael
jovial juniper
there are situations where u cant position urself perfectly
I believe those are situations that happens to all classes, but that's a conversation for another day
patent wing
I believe those are situations that happens to all classes, but that's a convers...
the map where you defend/hack the terminal in a open space with those two stairs behind you - last game i had a BoN and plague ogryn spawn at the same time in those corridors -> u have to go out where you will be cannon fodder
jovial juniper
I know exactly what you are talking about
rigid sky
hf in melee scab mael
Yeah tbh I'm bringing a staff to a melee game anyway
patent wing
i think SG should give 10% rending or sth like that
jovial juniper
I know exactly what you are talking about
I believe there's a tech there, but can't remember how to perform it
rigid sky
i think SG should give 10% rending or sth like that
1% per stack lol
patent wing
I believe there's a tech there, but can't remember how to perform it
i would say its easier without bon as you can block other bosses but its hard if you dont see nothing but fire
also power cycler for ilisi
jovial juniper
I'm BoN strongest hater
patent wing
yeah its kinda anti-solo boss
upper sun
its reddit
jovial juniper
untold niche
i found this tho, "challenging" <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
And despite nearly 80 hours, I'm not really ready for damnation yet on ONE character, let alone aurics. Plenty of progression there.
untold niche
yeah i feel it is, cheaper cost for same thresholds
i think even better thresholds for specific weapons
rich spindle
Its awesome one shotting everything with huge illisi cleaves
With DD stacks
What else is good for gunker besides ciag, im bored of that
I like the revolver for sniping but the boss dmg is bad
untold niche
agri iag
laspistol?
imagin if all maels now have no more zombies, only bruisers and above
rich spindle
Thick
rich spindle
Silo cluster becomes actually impossible lol
rich spindle
DD is straight up better than warp charges
Yeah but warp charges are easier
Less effort
fluid forge
I guess? DD is pretty low effort imo, just kill a highlighted dude every now and then
rich spindle
Siphon is lazy
Have you tried DD with trauma staff
I figured youd be missing out on yhe weakspot damage
fluid forge
thing is trauma will work regardless of keystone because it's trauma
rich spindle
Well, true
fluid forge
all you need is the right blessings and it'll delete everything
spice veldt
i run DD with trauma cuz i really just use assail + melee and then whip out trauma for danger scenarios
it's still +15% damage and +30% or whatever crit damage so there's that
and i can just shoot trauma when i have 5 true aim stacks and call it a day
hopefully they fix surge (blessing) before weapon rebalances so i get to experience surge + blazing spirit with true aim
lunar hollow
DD is straight up better than warp charges
having any kind of mechanic that requires specific intent to any degree turns a lot of players away
fluid forge
makes sense
I really hate how warp charges work tho
maybe I don't want to expend them all when I press F y'know
lunar hollow
my assumption is they didnt want it to be a damage keystone baseline because itd compete with DD in some weird ways
untold niche
maybe I don't want to expend them all when I press F y'know
no you must mandated by law
lunar hollow
but id rather them make it something less boring to use entirely
untold niche
gaze now stacks 2 times faster
fluid forge
feel like warp charges should've stayed baseline and then keystones just adjust how you use them/interact with them
but alas
spice veldt
adding a cool effect to the ults would be a direction to take it into
rich spindle
Ya EP for ults
jovial juniper
The concept is there
untold niche
my assumption is they didnt want it to be a damage keystone baseline because itd...
tbh its weird because it also seems like it is.
It just seems like another form of getting damage for non precision ranged options ( like the staffs)
radiant frigate
warp charges have so many tax nodes it's silly
halcyon gust
A decent chunk of your build goes into Warp charges if you build into them
patent jacinth
I have too choose between this and this how fucking dare you milk
rich spindle
That trauma is pretty much set for blaze nexus build
halcyon gust
Yep
Replace Rending for Warp Nexus and Range weak spot for something else
Hell that Trauma can also be Flurry+Rending as well
rich spindle
But rending 3 😭
halcyon gust
Better than nothing
As for the Void strike. Just replace the perks and it is good to go
untold niche
I have too choose between this and this how fucking dare you milk
left one not gud enuf
not nexus 4
not sure about trauma blessings tho, i rmb one is 3 max
patent jacinth
These aren't for my main psyker, would probably rip both but still, I need stuff from both staffs
near bobcat
i need advice
what perk should I change infested into? I already got good blessings here but I'm debating on if I should replace it with Maniac or crit chance
untold niche
No. Charging while sliding / quelling while sliding is known "tech"
No as in you are not the only one.
next turret
my guess is change infested
that staf will take down flak pretty easily
@near bobcat
near bobcat
sadly every one one my attempts to use it has failed miserably
IDK wtf it is but each time I try ot use it I get singled out first in each of my auric runs
gave up after dying to the first horde in a run and left to find another game because i was basically dead weight
next turret
it pulls stuff at you for sure but it tickles more than just the target you grab
i use it with assail and a good illisi that makes things easier
but i got very lucky with the psyker swords
exce;pt the dueelling ones hadron juves me a apaerweight every time i try
i even used one as a dorrstop
damn now i wanna go play a round on psyker
tiny oracle
just wondering, is surge staff viable without warp charges? or does it need them to be good?
not that fan of warp charges as i feel they encourage not using your abillity
ornate hamlet
Shooters ☝️ 🤓
cinder moon
just wondering, is surge staff viable without warp charges? or does it need them...
i use surge with EP smite on damn+, it's fine if the staff itself is good
plus EP lets you spam vent
near bobcat
i just used funny robot guys build
honestly...it's painful without bubble but i get why they reccommend shriek
you REALLY build peril fast spamming this shit
covert bramble
how are you supposed to play psyker
ornate hamlet
Dodgy dodgy slashy slashy
covert bramble
the only thing i can get away with is using the electric shock thing and constantly dodging
ornate hamlet
💪 
covert bramble
so yeah p much
ornate hamlet
Psyker got some of the most poggerest active defenses with their stamina regen and kinetic deflection
covert bramble
whats kinetic deflection
plucky flax
not that fan of warp charges as i feel they encourage not using your abillity
You shouldn't worry about it. You get warp charges back very fast with surge.
Just spam creeping flames.
ornate hamlet
Warp charges with the current enemy density (unless they reduced it while I was away) are pretty chill to get
Since you don't need to brain burst like you used to and can just slap the enemies on the base talent (specialists only?) and still rely on the 4% from your team killing shit to get the charges back very quickly
And if you are in a situation where you're not getting charges back, you likely don't need them or are fighting a boss for maybe a bit long
plucky flax
plus EP lets you spam vent
Warp charges would let you spam it even more.
cinder moon
i don't like smite w/ warp charges
plucky flax
Fair. I rarely ever use smite so ep doesn't help at all with my surge illisi smite build.
zenith vigil
guys, about disrupt destiny keystone
the modifier that increase the duration of disrupt destiny from 15s to 30s, what exactly does it affect? the duration an enemy is marked, or the duration of the precision bonus buff?
plucky flax
The buff duration.
rich spindle
wouldnt crit damage be good on surge
plucky flax
Raw damage is better.
plucky flax
Crit rely on you critting, also the way the bonus works is very little.
It's a percentage of the extra damage.
rich spindle
wouldn't the bonus be appreciable for surge?
plucky flax
It's not worth it on any weapon. Even knife where you crit every other hit.
potent echo
wouldnt crit damage be good on surge
What context for this, DD on surge?
rich spindle
just surge
potent echo
Depends if you have specific breakpoint in mind
rich spindle
no breakpoint, just universal damage
potent echo
I rather have crit chance because a crit will usually kill gunners or some specials where a normal surge wouldn't
Universal damage crit damage is the worst lol
rich spindle
good point
potent echo
If you average out over a whole run it's going to be miniscule
rich spindle
people say that but I want to see the specific math for surge
isnt the crit bonus damage big?
potent echo
You mean like rolling crit damage perk or smth?
rich spindle
yeah
potent echo
You just check the table in game
rich spindle
yeah im doing that now
potent echo
There's no real surge staff numbers since it's random, you would need to do data collecting 😴
rich spindle
looks like ~140 extra crit damage so 14 extra damage when you crit
well, you can approximate with good staff rolls
potent echo
14 extra damage maybe like 50% of the time at max warp nexus with max crit stat
rich spindle
yes on both flak and maniac
and unarmored
only about 5 on carapace and 8 unyielding
waiiiit im looking at primary fire......
🤦🏻♂️
potent echo
yea hence my point on data collecting lol
rich spindle
Huh
potent echo
does the table show the surge damage?
rich spindle
The damage table of the staff? Yeah thats what im looking st
potent echo
can i ask for a screenshot? dont have access to the game now
rich spindle
looks like about unarmored +40, flak +20, carapace about 20, maniac 40
unyielding uhhhh idk how my perk changes it on the table
potent echo
yea just raw +10% vs elites will be better
rich spindle
gunners are elites right
potent echo
yea
gunners/shotgunners are all flak
so generally recommended you do 25% flak on surge
it will hit shotgunner 1k hp
with extra help it might hit scab gunner 1200 or dreg gunner 1400
rich spindle
gunners have 900 health right
rich spindle
potent echo
shotgunners are both 1k
rich spindle
I really like unyielding for boss damage, and because I use surge on bulwarks so much to open them up
potent echo
so surge with 25% flak should one shot them reliably
rich spindle
but one shotting gunners is so good
potent echo
yea you just open and finish with sword
rich spindle
it sucks having to waste peril on them
potent echo
2 shocks vs 1 shock is a big diff when you rolling up on a bunch of gunners
if you crit you can oneshot dreg gunner
trying to hit raw oneshot dreg gunner is going to be difficult you need alot of buffs like WC, warp rider, perfect timing
rich spindle
yea
rich spindle
my biggest issue is the attack getting eaten by trash in a mob
when you want to hit an elite
potent echo
the main selling point is how fast it is
it will target elites in the crosshair area from experience
but its not very consistent
the true unga bunga stick will be void
cinder moon
part of its utility is stunlocking whatever it hits
potent echo
stunlocking is okay but any staff can do that
rich spindle
but its only like 2 things
potent echo
it has the weakest stunlock of any staff lol
rich spindle
they need to make the bolt stun trash around it probably
potent echo
a void ball that doesnt kill a rager will just floor it for 3 entire seconds
but it must be a headshot
rich spindle
showing weakspot damage on surge table is evil
cosmic sigil
It's not worth it on any weapon. Even knife where you crit every other hit.
It's worth on weapons with high crits string and good crit modifier, so mostly ciag.
ember solstice
I dont like surge, but surge staff is pretty neat
potent echo
showing weakspot damage on surge table is evil
there was an entire hooha that took like 4 patches for them to unfuck their cosmetic changes
ember solstice
I blow myself up too much
potent echo
rich spindle
surge generates peril the fastest
ember solstice
Figured
potent echo
good for warp rider breakpoints like deimos vs mutant lol
plucky flax
It's worth on weapons with high crits string and good crit modifier, so mostly c...
Nein.
cosmic sigil
Ja.
rigid sky
It's worth on weapons with high crits string and good crit modifier, so mostly c...
Still crap. On CIAG it's like 5% damage when it does crit, so probably like 3% overall
Compared with 25% flat damage on specific types
CIAG is best case for it too
potent echo
ciag has a crit modifer of 2.5 at best or smth, so 10% of that is at most equivalent lol
and only during crits
cosmic sigil
rigid sky
Believe me I wish crit and weak spot damage perks were worth it
rigid sky
Oh crit chance is often fine
cosmic sigil
Crit DMG should be erased
rigid sky
Idk about on CIAG specifically, tbh we get tons of crit chance from other sources for it
Presuming SG and DD
cosmic sigil
Above is ciag numbers
rigid sky
I run it on my Blaze trauma and my Purgatus though
I mean, calculating the actual effective crit rate isn't so simple on it
cosmic sigil
Are we talking Crit DMG?
rigid sky
Crit Chance has diminishing returns due to the long crit streaks
But it's also extra powerful for the same reason
cosmic sigil
I mean, calculating the actual effective crit rate isn't so simple on it
I think @spice veldt had the formula nailed
Oh god my bad @plucky flax you were talking about Crit dmg. That's totally a dead perk. And we have tanner to thanks for converting people to that...
plucky flax
cosmic sigil
Yes
spice veldt
I think <@297182781346152448> had the formula nailed
i'm 360 noscoping you
viscid matrix
Wait we’ve known crit damage is a dead stat since launch, why would they start saying it’s good
spice veldt
if this is about tanner then this is the type of person that we are dealing with
cosmic sigil
You can not run uncanny by choice, because you find global rending bad for the game
But running Crit DMG T_T
I'd rather have +2 stam
radiant frigate
lol, lmao
2shot crushers on crits with no uncanny
it barely even does that with uncanny
rigid sky
Let's just ignore the random veteran in his game who tagged the Crusher twice with a Plasma
potent echo
if this is about tanner then this is the type of person that we are dealing with
who types un canny like that
also he did get into a heated fight in my other darktide discord lol
rigid sky
It might be an autocorrect thing
My phone comes up with some really heretical bullshit sometimes
spice veldt
My phone comes up with some really heretical bullshit sometimes
the stan defense
potent echo
mom im famous
lyric burrow
the stan defense
shouldnt you be sleeping
spice veldt
isn't it 5 am over yonder
lyric burrow
i fail to see how that is relevant
spice veldt
die
vestal fulcrum
that second part is a tiny bit unnerving
lyric burrow
gif fail
upper sun
what did he say? "this guy is using smite im gonna block him so never have to see it again"
upper sun
he has a lot of bad takes that he feels very strongly about but his "guides" are ok if you only listen to talent explanations and not opinions
plucky flax
Fair. I do all of my own builds. Even telepot has some sus builds imo.
Very good player though.
Then again some of my builds are probably sus for others.
upper sun
telo is at least fun
rigid sky
I think the best players mechanically probably have some awful takes on everything because they can make it work for them
It's like how natural experts make the worst teachers
still hearth
The people with 200 hours on chainaxe back in the day "I mean it's not THAT bad"
rich spindle
Thoughts on precog vs riposte for ds
radiant frigate
Then again some of my builds are probably sus for others. <:whatthefuck_heresy:1...
all your builds are sus!!
anyone running 90 toughness (or even less..) is sus
sure you can survive but good luck saving teammates under fire
upper sun
yeah i dont see myself going 90 tough any time soon playing so much zealot has made me worse at not getting hit
trash mobs are starting to chunk me 😭
radiant frigate
i have never gone that low voluntarily
i don't want to be forced into playing backline because i can't take a hit
rigid sky
Trauma is kinda frontline without being frontline
radiant frigate
trauma is trauma
it's an extended melee weapon without actually being a melee weapon
it's what purg wishes it was
for that reason i do not like either of them
i like my ranged weapons ranged
hollow current
Thoughts on precog vs riposte for ds
Precog is better if you’re actually good at the game.
potent echo
psyker can live anywhere as long as you pick venting shriek lol
stuck sinew
Left click exists 
plucky flax
Tru. Too much wildfire.
plucky flax
anyone running 90 toughness (or even less..) is sus
I have 110 toughness.
hollow current
sure *you* can survive but good luck saving teammates under fire
I just let them die.
wind spruce
F + KD can cover any revive pretty much
Shriek isn't doing fuck all that KD wouldn't do by itself
Maybe if it's just a couple of shooters that are barely going to edge your toughness to zero anyway
rigid sky
Mostly helps them to not get bonked when they get up
plucky flax
I run triple toughness regen it's good for ressing against shooters.
rigid sky
Can we block overheads with KD actually?
wind spruce
Can we block overheads with KD actually?
No
rigid sky
Haven't consciously tried
plucky flax
Yes but you'd die.
wind spruce
I've tried with all the bells and whistles
upper sun
9 stamina, 0% peril, all the peril resist
keystoneless ofc
wind spruce
All 3 stam curios
+11 stam, +56% block efficiency and every peril reduction talent
plucky flax
Running stam curios or take kd and get extra hp/toughness 
wind spruce
Running stam curios or take kd and get extra hp/toughness <:FeelsStrongMan:88092...
I like both
I just get irritated running out of stam when sprinting more than anything else
plucky flax
Rip double grims run.
wind spruce
Like literally at the start of the levels haha
hollow current
Mk 4 dueling heavy spam gives almost infinite sprint speed.
wind spruce
Fair. I do all of my own builds. Even telepot has some sus builds imo.
Tele literally just doesn't bother making proper builds half the time
wind spruce
Mk 4 dueling heavy spam gives almost infinite sprint speed.
No... it's slower than just sprinting.
ornate hamlet
Chadset
upper sun
the guy unironically only rescues ogryn and zealot teammates
i think hes just anti psyker
wind spruce
Wouldn't be surprised
wind spruce
His videos are borderline unwatchable unless he's talking to crab
upper sun
i watched a bunch of his streams and he actually ignores all downed vet and psyker teammates
wind spruce
How can you stand listening to him for a whole stream
upper sun
idk hes alright
rigid sky
i watched a bunch of his streams and he actually ignores all downed vet and psyk...
Actual piece of shit oxygen thief behaviour
Will save them a space on my blocklist
upper sun
my blocklist is reserved for people who grief and vets who die in the first section 50m ahead of everyone
hollow current
No... it's slower than just sprinting.
Big doubt. I keep up with most knifers.
plucky flax
I only block people whom can do more damage than me.
upper sun
also seriously takes zero effort to say in chat "guys i have field improv dump grenades before ammo crates"
you have elevators and a pre mission section you can talk in safely
wind spruce
Big doubt. I keep up with most knifers.
Sprinting on DS with stam is objectively faster than heavy attacking with it
wind spruce
I only block people whom can do more damage than me. <:whatthefuck_heresy:104972...
I block plasma vets because they steal my stacked gunner feed highlights
plucky flax
I block smite psykers they make the game too easy I want to be challenged.
upper sun
at this rate with current active player counts yall will only match with bots
hollow current
Sprinting on DS with stam is objectively faster than heavy attacking with it
Maybe true. I can’t check. But I know for a fact any speed difference is not appreciable compared to heavy attacking and maintaining almost all your Stamina at the same time. At least with my build.
wind spruce
Maybe true. I can’t check. But I know for a fact any speed difference is not app...
It's most definitely an appreciable difference in speed, but yes, you do retain your stam
wind spruce
at this rate with current active player counts yall will only match with bots
On apac south that's how it is anyway rip
radiant frigate
I just let them die.
evil
hollow current
You’re talking about sprint heavy sliding, right?
wind spruce
Yes
hollow current
Idk then. What I experienced seems different from you.
wind spruce
Idk then. What I experienced seems different from you.
Its closer to no stam sprint speed
radiant frigate
one MILLION dockets
hollow current
I do rez when I can. But im quick to cut the losses short if things look tough
upper sun
sometimes its easier to revive than rescue
i lost a couple of games trying to rescue people when i should have been clearing/just waiting for them to die
upper sun
also very rarely some games are actually easier with 3 players
hollow current
I ress people in fire.
Overheads too I bet.
hollow current
Its closer to no stam sprint speed
I’ll remember this and test it when I get back to my computer in a month.
cyan notch
is the game good yet
vestal fulcrum
radiant frigate
I ress people in fire.
potent echo
DS heavy sliding is stam neutral and can outpace horde enemies 
rigid sky
is the game good yet
Never wasn't
plucky flax
is the game good yet
No wait until update coming soon. 
cyan notch
No wait until update coming soon. <:kappa:768669756345286687>
when
plucky flax
They said they'd announce some info about it this month.
upper sun
is the game good yet
its a solid "ok" 800 hours in game
plucky flax
So at some point today we might get an update for an update.
upper sun
So at some point today we might get an update for an update.
copium
plucky flax
Xd
radiant frigate
it's aight
plucky flax
(It's never coming)
upper sun
2025 is gonna be our year siblings
cyan notch
upper sun
just two more weeks to curb the active player curve its gonna be fine!!
ornate hamlet
it ok
upper sun
tbh i would say at least 40% of my time is afk waiting for shop resets
dark stag
anyone had a bug where if they were using smite and tried to ult (F) the game would just crash?
upper sun
ive heard other people have it
dark stag
ok so it's not just me
halcyon gust
It can't handle the unlimited power 
radiant frigate
i think this image is inspiring me to play surge staff
halcyon gust
I only use Smite for the following
- "Oh shit I need to CC"
- "Zealot stupid themself again. Let me CC to make easier to revive"
- "No beloved. The dogs aren't good"
- "Who made a Your mom joke to the rager ball"
rigid sky
Oof
1% off on that burn stat
Also only 1/4 hits on the perks and blessings
That's not the one I'm afraid
rigid sky
I don't like those perks though
Remember BTW, on Purgatus you only care about Burn and Cloud as far as modifiers go
Damage irrelevant
Warp resistance, maybe even actively detrimental
Quell speed kinda helps but yeah
Cloud as close to max as possible, and Burn at least 76%
wind spruce
2/10
cyan willow
anyone had a bug where if they were using smite and tried to ult (F) the game wo...
This is late but it happened to me a lot when trying to use venting shriek while using smite
rocky yarrow
I never really understood the point of the purgatus or the flamer
still hearth
Pretty much everything in the game dies once you hit the stack cap of burn and use chastise.
The big thing to consider is
It has infinite cleave
In a 21m cone
That will apply burn to anything in that cone
It's a weapon you don't pull out unless there's a ton of enemies that need to die real soon
rocky yarrow
True
still hearth
So yeah I don't use it
But it can completely wipe the floor with anything
Six crushers, a billion ragers and a horde? The flamer kills that in a few seconds.
But sometimes it just isn't a good choice to take out
The purgatus is like a light-weight flamer that you just spam to clear trash
rocky yarrow
I'll give it a try, my zealot needs something new
still hearth
It was my favorite staff until Surge became what it is, even if I think purgatus is the worst staff rn
rocky yarrow
Yeah surge is busted
I used it for a while and thought it was busted and that was before I realised the range you can get on it
upper sun
surge is kinda mid
still hearth
They need to stop giving melee weapons so much cleave and make Trauma's outer circle not apply soulblaze
upper sun
not great not bad
still hearth
Then purgatus can shine
(Barely)
Idk why we have three staves focusing on clearing in AoE
And one is just better than the others
rocky yarrow
It's tragic really since I adore my psychic flamer on tabletop
still hearth
Though Voidstrike is kind of not a big contender
still hearth
I used to consider Trauma the worst because it's so cumbersome and it didn't feel that effective
But it's genuinely the best staff if you can use it
rocky yarrow
How do you use it?
still hearth
It's just about how to aim with the circle really
And using the mobility that staves have like sliding forward while charging up
rocky yarrow
Thanks for the advice
still hearth
And abusing the knockdown when threatened
rocky yarrow
That'll last me till next content drop 💀
still hearth
The one issue it has is "range" but
People forget that you can LMB
Which actually does a good amount of damage
untold niche
kind of wish BB was instant and dealt more damage but had serious drawbacks
crude vortex
instant critical peril
untold niche
critical as in if you don'tquell withint 2 seconds you go boom boom
not even just 100%
next 5 seconds double peril generated / boom boom now at 90%
tulip kettle
just saying
there is a woman there on the mourningstar
opposite melk
by the pulpit
who wasnt there before
where the new update is going to be
just saying.
if BB did 10% more dmg than it does i think it would be perfect
no other notes
untold niche
where the new update is going to be
noiiice
untold niche
if BB did 10% more dmg than it does i think it would be perfect
i want it to be instant so i can feel like shadow wizard money gang
tulip kettle
and ofc fix kinetic flayer
near wyvern
if BB did 10% more dmg than it does i think it would be perfect
Not still perfect. BB needs to trigger all on kill effects from your currently active talents on target death. Even if you could meet super good break points you still will run into the problem of racing to kill. Someone kills your target and you are still simply wasting time.
If it would trigger on kill effects you could at least get Warp Siphon charges, trigger perilous combustion, gain EP charges and so on.
quartz barn
thats why i only use bb as a support tool whenever my target tries to run away behind a corner
staffs/guns simply kill faster and damage surrounding targets as well, so unless you're dealing with something like a sniper thats far away and hard to hit there's little to no point to charging your hands for a single kill
untold niche
damn 7% of playerbase only?
radiant frigate
i guess most people only play one class
vestal fulcrum
Most of the playerbase quit the game before embracing the true neutral route
tacit bobcat
radiant frigate
Most of the playerbase quit the game before embracing the true neutral route
i ventured off the true neutral route after hitting 30 on all characters
i settled on psyker so i can skip shooter encounters with old surge staff
so i can get back to the fun part (melee) faster
vestal fulcrum
I mean, my Ogryn technically has more levels than two other characters combined (all have at least 3-digit levels)
orchid shadow
It helps now that resources are shared across characters. But before, I couldn't be bothered so everything went to the Psyker.
radiant frigate
I mean, my Ogryn technically has more levels than two other characters combined ...
my psyker has more levels than my other characters combined
beyond 30 that is
+200-something vs +100, +40-ish, +13?
hexed geyser
Same for me but i dont have the mods so i calculate in hours. Probably around 200 for psyker and 130 for zealot. Ogryn and vet are still around 20 because i can't play them for more than 2 games without getting bored
radiant frigate
ogryn just brings me no joy
upper sun
i have been waiting on a toughness 17 curio to play ogryn for months
i will not play ogryn without two so far i only have one
rigid sky
I think ATM I play them all equally ish
I do have about 100 more games on Psyker than the others though
near wyvern
i guess most people only play one class
Well duh, the itemization is a pain
radiant frigate
Well duh, the itemization is a pain
Yes
near wyvern
I have all 4 maxed but only 1 geared to teeth with near min maxed stuff
cinder moon
give universal weapon and curio locker
halcyon gust
my psyker has more levels than my other characters combined
My vet has twice the levels over my next highest level character which is my Ogryn at level 140
halcyon gust
My Vet is 285
cinder moon
all my characters are 30 because i don't care about post30 levels
halcyon gust
My monkey brain likes seeing number go up
long wharf
three classes with max-rolled gear for a single build
one class with max-rolled gear for multiple builds (psyker)
and I can't be assed to startup Darktide (haven't in over two months now)
a real shame FartShack isn't capable of meeting a single timeline they make for themselves
their artists don't deserve the devs they have
the artists deserve better
little sapphire
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spice veldt
it only affects the lingering i-frames after your dodge (0.2 seconds iirc) and specifically only against melee attacks (not including ranged attacks)
so +0.1 second to that lingering time
radiant frigate
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seems you like to live dangerously
SG melee psyker sounds perilous
little sapphire
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radiant frigate
melee psyker absolutely works
there's 2 schools of thought for it
SG route and shriek route
SG melee can do some silly things, think like crusher twoshots with dueling sword
shriek route you presumable would be bringing illisi or assail
which shreds everything else, and armor just takes a little longer
i prefer the shriek route because it allows you to be more of a generalist
and that's mostly because shriek is pretty versatile
teammate lagged behind and got dogged behind 5 corners but within 25m range? shriek it off
or the opposite, and someone got too far ahead? same deal
see a horde? press f to make it go away
looked away for half a second and there's a rager wave in melee with you? shriek can give you some breathing room to recover and kill them
or to clear space for a res on a downed teammate
all things that SG won't really do for you
little sapphire
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radiant frigate
i am also nto a big fan of SG
so much save potential on shriek
not only for yourself but also others
hard to pass up
on the other hand, funny crusher twoshots
or like 50% crit chance on voidstrike with surge
untold niche
@plucky flax i finally understand loner/stealth....
this build feels insane
mini gun ogryn? no problem boss, 1 hit heavy
surprised by 6 crusher in new room? no problem boss press F run away ezpz
6 bulwark? no problem boss throw your nade and switch to gun and laugh as they cook in 2 seconds
like with no unyielding perk too
plucky flax
<@150967101836886016> i finally understand loner/stealth....
this build feels in...
You're slow but it's okay.
Been playing stealth loner since patch 13 it's too op.
untold niche
i can one hit crushers from the back while in stealth
oh ya, what minigun ogryn real name
rigid sky
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I mean tbh, a gun psyker is also a melee psyker imo
you have to lean on all 3 of your weapons to play gun psyker properly
upper sun
Been playing stealth loner since patch 13 it's too op.
you use it to do objectives in stealth right? not do 2k damage to a single pox walker on the other side of the map
untold niche
you use it to do objectives in stealth right? not do 2k damage to a single pox w...
bro why not both :v
plucky flax
It's for everything.
untold niche
i use it to stealth revive alot
upper sun
i simply play mk15 marty like a true m1 warrior smooth brain
untold niche
very handy
untold niche
i simply play mk15 marty like a true m1 warrior smooth brain
i found out i like judgement way more than martyr
upper sun
i found out i like judgement way more than martyr
wound curios bypass the crafting system
radiant frigate
oh ya, what minigun ogryn real name
reaper
upper sun
the dumbass game sees >huh this curio has a base rating of 71 that means its already not perfect better give it a good t4 stat
untold niche
wound curios bypass the crafting system
dat so good for u im happy for u
upper sun
thx
untold niche
wound curios bypass the crafting system
jugement more consistent i feel, and also give dodge, and also gun damage
ok martyr mroe consistent
radiant frigate
judgement?
untold niche
but jdugement dun need you to be at like 20% hp
upper sun
idk i dont have the heart to brick toughness curios so i am not bother with other builds until they fix the crafting
radiant frigate
i am firmly team crit keystone
mostly because of stupid things like "oh boy free ults all day" and 50% tdr
also makes laspistol more lethal
untold niche
mostly because of stupid things like "oh boy free ults all day" and 50% tdr
cant run that with caxe
untold niche
idk i dont have the heart to brick toughness curios so i am not bother with othe...
i just assume i can only ahve 6x perks
radiant frigate
cant run that with caxe
i don't run caxe so it's whatever
just eviscerator XV
Definitely Not VT2 Executioner Sword (except ugly)
untold niche
just eviscerator XV
iirc t here is like a heavy evisc?
jovial juniper
Except psychopath laugh
radiant frigate
iirc t here is like a heavy evisc?
they're both called heavy eviscerator
untold niche
ooo there is one super fat one
upper sun
theres one weird animations one and one smooth brained one thats capped at 4 hits per swing
radiant frigate
the "weird animations one" i stopped using because the new one onetaps maulers
(if you hit the shoulder)
jovial juniper
That you can go sicko mode by rev lights and bypass the cap
upper sun
sorry i only m1
jovial juniper
You're losing on some ear damage saw
plucky flax
cant run that with caxe
You can but it's not good.
Can run bm and shred, or just bm and headtaker.
untold niche
theres one weird animations one and one smooth brained one thats capped at 4 hit...
which ome isd the new 1
upper sun
mk15 is the new one
super smooth brain lights side ways and heavies overhead
life flashed before my eyes right there
not too bad on break away stamina tax
and revved up heavies do great boss damage
untold niche
super smooth brain lights side ways and heavies overhead
wait you can push him out of the OH?
jovial juniper
mk15 is the new one
It's super goated and does everything better
untold niche
wait i didn't know u can d othat :v
radiant frigate
life flashed before my eyes right there
impressive overhead jousting
rigid sky
Apparently the XV can hit 7 targets if you rev it
upper sun
crutch weapons are just that good
rigid sky
and tbh most weapons that cleave to more than 4, do bad damage after the 4th hit anyway
upper sun
you havent experienced the clear of a dclaw with rampage and sweeping whatever
radiant frigate
how bad is it
upper sun
its crazy good
jovial juniper
and tbh most weapons that cleave to more than 4, do bad damage after the 4th hit...
My evis15 crit killing all 7 targets
It will kill another 7
And another
rigid sky
Exactly, I think its weakness vs hordes is a little overstated. Yeah, it's one of the slower Zealot weapons for it, but it's still fast enough and it more than makes up for it with how easily effective it is against all single target stuff
it's like the next step down on the thunder hammer scale
Crucis -> Ironhelm -> XV Evis
wind spruce
i just press f and m1
F is going to help for 1 swing?
radiant frigate
F is going to help for 1 swing?
F also makes my swings faster
rinse and repeat
it's incredibly low effort
wind spruce
Fair
radiant frigate
and then you just rev for elites and oneshot them
and then you rev for bosses and it does a ton of damage to them
rigid sky
No particular reason, I just wanted a build which was using chorus
since my crusher and heavy sword both use fury of the faithful
radiant frigate
chorus with crit cdr kinda spicy too
wind spruce
I like perfect strike + shred on the evis
rigid sky
chorus with crit cdr kinda spicy too
yki
wind spruce
Just cleave through everything
radiant frigate
i run rampage and savage sweep and idk how good that is really
but it seems to work
wind spruce
I don't see why you wouldn't use shred if you've got the CDR on crit talent
untold niche
BTW whoever suggested DS4 for CIAG Gunker
isn't ds4 a staple for gunker...
wind spruce
isn't ds4 a staple for gunker...
Yeah scriers pushes you to oneshotting maulers
radiant frigate
I don't see why you wouldn't use shred if you've got the CDR on crit talent
i had it before and strangely enough it didn't feel like it made much of a difference
untold niche
Yeah scriers pushes you to oneshotting maulers
ds4 is all i see on gunkers too
radiant frigate
i also barely play zealot
wind spruce
And your lights start oneshotting more stuff
untold niche
im not mocking him im just surprised why he hasn't tried the one meta weapon for the build
wind spruce
i also barely play zealot
Yeah me too tbf
rigid sky
Tbh I kinda mostly built it the way that made sense to me at the time
radiant frigate
gunker doesn't make sense to me so i generally avoid it
untold niche
Tbh I kinda mostly built it the way that made sense to me at the time
yeah i get it, have to get used to using ds4 + assail
for toughness
what is max curio?
rigid sky
I do already use assail at least
wind spruce
yeah i get it, have to get used to using ds4 + assail
What? You can also just use your ranged weapon and not get hit
radiant frigate
wind spruce
Mettle should be proccing like a mf
radiant frigate
What? You can also just use your ranged weapon and not get hit
this is why i do not gunker
untold niche
What? You can also just use your ranged weapon and not get hit
idk i see josho plays it liek that.
wind spruce
And empathetic evasion
untold niche
coudl be because he was using volvo
rigid sky
Revolver psyker is very different tbh
wind spruce
Like, it's ok, do what what you want