psyker-class

[upper sun]

zero problems with ragers on psyker but on zealot jesus

[tulip kettle]

you one hit the unarmoured ragers if you HS them wiuth the parry usually

[spice veldt]

tracking and long dodge catch

shame that the game spawns 10-20 of them so there's no hope of meaningfully fighting them in melee

unless you're running some build with stagger

[upper sun]

yeah why is it that ranged is always the best answer for ragers

[spice veldt]

i don't think that's necessarily a bad thing since melee pressure seems to be one of the intended goals for ragers

[rigid sky]

they're meant to be like that imo

[harsh urchin]

honestly, because scavenger aura exists

[spice veldt]

just that we should have some melee options against them that don't just resort to having a bunch of stagger

[harsh urchin]

and there's no ammo management in this game

[rigid sky]

you have other answers, like fury of the faithful

or ogryn powah

[harsh urchin]

so you can just shoot everything

[upper sun]

i swear to god i never even thought of ragers as elites when i play psyker they were just the funny trash mob that yells a lot

[harsh urchin]

without needing to melee stuff at all

[rigid sky]

but shooting ragers makes the most sense

[spice veldt]

and we can't have that because of ragers spawning in packs of 10-20

[rigid sky]

if they actually start swinging at you, you pretty much have to block them

they are resilient to stagger so melee duels are tougher

but they die like anything else to being shot in the head

it's just how they are

[harsh urchin]

if fs does something

about ammo aura

i think the game will change a ton

you'll need to actually think about how to engage elites

like ragers, maulers, etc

[upper sun]

man

[harsh urchin]

compared to the braindead

just shoot them method

[upper sun]

i dont see vet nerfs happening

the next update is gonna be new ogryn/vet weapons and psyker nerfs calling it right now

[harsh urchin]

they dont need to nerf vet lol

they just need to remove infinite ammo

from the game

[upper sun]

Hmmm as if survialist is the best aura in the game

[spice veldt]

i expect class-wide nerfs or enemy buffs relatively (with respect to fatshark's typical timeline) soon

there's some weapons that got datamined and I think one of them was a 1-hander maul for zealot?

[upper sun]

idk aside from two game breaking weapons that not everyone knows how to use game balance isnt too bad

[tulip kettle]

brain off spam parry

case in point

[spice veldt]

nah, too easy

[upper sun]

i dont see why they shouldnt add another harder threat level

[spice veldt]

cuz we already have 5 difficulties and with further increments in the form low/mid/high intensity

[upper sun]

well theyre at the very least have to increase rewards for lower threat levels

im not gonna spend 30 minutes of my time grinding for half a weapon

[spice veldt]

yeah the exponential scaling on mats is quite silly

i do think that rewards should just be there to compensate for the increased time you spend in missions

rather than being the silly scaling that they are now

[upper sun]

bruh they need to be doubled for every threat level

at least

[spice veldt]

nah

[tulip kettle]

add aquilas as currency

to be collected

[upper sun]

you're only saying that because you've been playing the game since before i was born

[spice veldt]

i think we're talking about different things

[tulip kettle]

maybe 20 per level on auric board

[spice veldt]

i'm talking about the relative scaling ebtween difficulties

i'm not talking about absolute values here

[upper sun]

like getting extra mats for time spent in mission?

[spice veldt]

nah

i mean to flatten the curve of rewards between diffs

e.g., you get like 200 plast on malice and 800 on damnation

that needs to be flattened

[upper sun]

not a bad idea

[upper sun]

thatll prolly stop people from threat hopping too much

[harsh urchin]

well

[upper sun]

still even 800 is not enough for the amount of grind needed

[harsh urchin]

they can't do that

until they add in

[upper sun]

i spent 20k plasteel on 3 curios and 4 functional weapons

[harsh urchin]

the next prog system

[spice veldt]

only reason i can think of them not increasing rewards currently

is cuz they don't want a situation where a new crafting system is worse than the current one in terms of reward per time unit invested

[harsh urchin]

like once they add in next grindy progression system i think they can prob just make it easy to get plasteel and craft gear

[upper sun]

with the current player numbers they really gotta reduce the grind needed for crafting

[harsh urchin]

lol the grind needed for crafting wont affect player numbers

current numbers are due to 2 reasons

1. no new content
2. most people are done with the current system's grind

if they add a new prog system to grind up stats from 80->100 or to drop red weapons, they can probably reduce the grind for plasteel and make it easier

[upper sun]

no one is gonna wanna jump onto a game with such a crafting system

[harsh urchin]

but i think that would only really make sense with a new content patch

[upper sun]

man if they really do that ill delete all my chars

[harsh urchin]

that's just bs lol

[upper sun]

im not rerolling for all my shit

[harsh urchin]

the crafting system doesn't affect whether or not you play the game

in the first place

it affects if you want to grind the progression

but you pretty much dont interact at all with the crafting system until you're lv30

you just buy cool looking weapons from the shop

[upper sun]

the frustration simulator that is the crafting system does effect players if you get bored with a weapon and wanna build another or try a new build and you dont have the mats for it you're not as likely to play

[harsh urchin]

do you have any evidence backing up your conjecture

because it's just as likely that people will spend time grinding mats

to make more builds, causing them to play more

[upper sun]

i cant convince any of my friends to level their chars because they dont have weapons unlocked and cant try weapons to know what blessings they should look out for

[cosmic sigil]

combat axes do not OS muties. Is it a pb? Hell no. Muties are kinda irrelevant as threat rn (and most of the time, when one grabs me he is saving me from some BS)

[rigid sky]

I've spent over a million dockets and about 6000 plasteel trying to craft a shovel on my vet

Mutants are basically tanks

diving tanks rather than wall tanks like bulwarks

they aren't threatening, but they're effective distractions from the real threats

so being able to smack them down very quickly and reliably is important imo, especially as a backliner who's one mistake away from losing half of their health in one swing

it's not the mutant that hurts you, but it's the mutant's fault you get hurt

[olive ember]

Eh it used to tbh. Back when resources weren’t shared I wouldn’t play alt classes like vet because I’d have to spend a bunch of time to get a half decent weapon

[tulip kettle]

yeah kinda

buit honestly nothing in this game is a threat in a vacuum

muties are a problem when theres 20 ragers and 10 bulwarks and 4 dogs and 2 flamers and 100 pox

i like to be able to have at least 1 tool to 1 shot them

[calm sapphire]

🤡

[harsh urchin]

yes but specifically it was a response to "nobody wants to jump onto a game" where the crafting is like this

[tulip kettle]

just... why?

the blessings and perks are fine

[harsh urchin]

you decided you didn't want to keep grinding or level alts

[tulip kettle]

but the base stats awful

[harsh urchin]

but your decision to start playing the game isnt affected

and i'm gonna be real honest; even after they "rework" the itemization, the game is still going to be a grindfest

[calm sapphire]

btw the zealot got downed within 2 min of match starting

then rage quit

[olive ember]

Wdym by start exactly? Cuz ik a general sentiment is “the gameplay is good, but the systems ruin it” and one of those systems is the crafting

[harsh urchin]

they might make plasteel and blessings/perks much easier to craft

but they'll simply add in another grindy progression system for you to waste time on

[olive ember]

Like my friends basically refuse to come back to the game cuz of “everything else” outside of gameplay… and yes it’s that vague to the point that it’s irritating, but ik for a fact they hated the crafting

[harsh urchin]

this is the nature of a game like this

you wanna take a fun bet

with me?

[olive ember]

Nah I’m not particularly faithful in fatshark tbh

[harsh urchin]

after they improve the crafting, they wont come back either; and if they do, not for longer than a week

[olive ember]

Oh yeah no, I have zero doubts about that knowing my friends

[tulip kettle]

what are these 2 game breaking weps?

[harsh urchin]

because they simply have no interest in the game

[tulip kettle]

plasma gun i assume... and?

[harsh urchin]

and crafting is simply a scapegoat for them to use to stop playing

[calm sapphire]

plasma gun is too boring

[upper sun]

psword and pgun

[tulip kettle]

right

i mean]

they arent "game breaking"

[olive ember]

Either way I’m just waiting for new content and hopefully better optimization. Tried to play a game half a week ago and the entire match was a 20 fps stuttery mess

[upper sun]

man its just a game i dont need a reason to stop playing if i wanna stop playing

[harsh urchin]

but unlocking weapons and trying weapons out has literally nothing to do with the crafting system at all

lmao

[tulip kettle]

but yes they are clearly stronger than other choices

[harsh urchin]

you unlock weapons at certain levels

[mighty olive]

scratches head ya know what... I'm like 1500 hrs into Darktide and I have no idea what Salvo is xD

[tulip kettle]

its a sequence of shots

semi auto weapons, the salvo is 1

[harsh urchin]

imma be frank, i just enjoy tearing down your arguments bcz I enjoy dismantling bad arguments in general lmao

whether you play or not its up to you

[upper sun]

still no option of testing blessings to even know whats good aside from buying stuff

[harsh urchin]

if you enjoy the game then play, if you dont then quit

[mighty olive]

Ahh got ya, thankies<3

[calm sapphire]

eh psword isn't that busted imo

[harsh urchin]

you can test in the meat grinder and you can also look up numbers on the wiki if you're interested o_O

it's pretty standard to other games

[tulip kettle]

so, on semi auto weapons, the blessing where you get "+power on first shot of salvo" is very good

because it applies all the time

[upper sun]

yeah just alt tab from the game and go look up 7 guides to know whats good

gread desgin riot

err FS

[harsh urchin]

or you can read the item

and use your brain

what lol

[upper sun]

bruh

[mighty olive]

Good to know, ty for explaining sibling! ^_^

[upper sun]

if you're actually agruing that tool tips are good enough

[harsh urchin]

you can look at an item and SEE the stats, the DAMAGE

[upper sun]

bruh

[harsh urchin]

ok what else

do you want

in the tooltips

[upper sun]

bruh

[harsh urchin]

besides the RAW numbers

[upper sun]

ask a new player what they think weakpoint does or crit damage

better yet there are still weapons with broken blessing tool tips

[calm sapphire]

most ppl only know the "meta" blessings for each particular type of weapon set so I don't blame ya

[tulip kettle]

or brutal momentum, or "cleave" or "impact"

[harsh urchin]

but that's the THING

you dont NEED to know any of this shit

unless you want to

you can literally just go into the meat grinder and play with it, or just take it into a game and PLAY

and if you WANT to

then you can look it up

and that's if you're INTERESTED in the game

[tulip kettle]

but nobody plays games that way these days dude

[mighty olive]

True, I haven't really messed with guns much, but I really appreciate the knowledge!

[harsh urchin]

ok can you name me a game

[tulip kettle]

do you know what "instrumental play" is

[harsh urchin]

where you can not look anything up

i'll name a few

warframe

destiny2

path of exile

in every single one of these

you can look shit up

[tulip kettle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKP1I7IocYU

[upper sun]

doesnt make it good desgin

[tulip kettle]

just watch this video

then come back

[harsh urchin]

then WHAT IS GOOD DESIGN

the game literally tells you

[upper sun]

ah yes

this is very informative

[harsh urchin]

dude

that's a bug

if you're going to be arguing in bad faith then just fuck off

[upper sun]

bruh

[tulip kettle]

im not arguing in bad faith, watch the video i linked then come back and discuss 🙂

[upper sun]

you started the bad faith arguing when you ignored half the point i made about not being able to test blessings from the start

[tulip kettle]

i never played WoW fwiw but the video is very relevant to darktide

[harsh urchin]

but you can test blessings lol

you can literally take it into a real game, OR the practice room with training dummies

[upper sun]

see you in 2 hours

[harsh urchin]

and see what it does

[upper sun]

jesus christ i need to take notes

[tulip kettle]

i have crippling adhd

[mighty olive]

Was such a fun game in the beginning, people thought it was too hard and blizzard made a bunch of dumb changes 😦

[tulip kettle]

like, cant drive and am legally disabled levels

but i managed that video

[harsh urchin]

you can also get a fucking mod

that lets you pick any weapon and put any blessing on it

[upper sun]

you need to buy the blessings first and test them then remove them to see the difference

oh now i'm supposed to mod the game

[upper sun]

you cant drive?

[tulip kettle]

i mean i can drive a car

[harsh urchin]

can you name a single game; which lets you do this functionality

[tulip kettle]

i dont have a license and dont want one

when i did drive i crashed constantly

cant pay attention well enough

[cosmic sigil]

mk 7 is equally good, the first heavy is a nice rampage farming tool, and you get the excellent l3 overhead after the parry

[upper sun]

the functionality isnt the point

[harsh urchin]

ok yeah lmao

[upper sun]

its the fact that you have to grind for such long hours

[upper sun]

my guy

[tulip kettle]

i couldnt get along with it, because theres no instant overhead attack

[upper sun]

im taking you away to a cabin in the woods

[mighty olive]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-settle-down-mr-garrison-south-park-s4e4-e404-gif-21683647

[upper sun]

so you can dopamine detox

[tulip kettle]

idk man i dont need a "dopamine detox"

[calm sapphire]

Do wish Auric missions would give a bit more plasteel than damnation tbh

[crude vortex]

I'm going to stick leeches on you to balance your humors

[tulip kettle]

i am clinically diagnosed with "an extremely acute case" of adhd

[upper sun]

why dont you stick to praying over electrical plugs tin head

[tulip kettle]

glory to the omnissiah!

[vagrant furnace]

I think at some point darktides combat director said a lot of info were kinda vague because they didnt want the playerbase to break open the game the first week they play it - granted the game been out for quite some time now

[tulip kettle]

praise the holy trinity!

[upper sun]

way of life can improve or aggravate conditions

[crude vortex]

And you to skinning vermin or something along those lines, or you'd look better scrubbing the floors
OMNISSIAH BE PRAISED

[tulip kettle]

i dont need some psudeoscience nonsense telling me "i just need to like, not use my smartphoner man"

like no hate dude

[crude vortex]

A person missing a leg will mysteriously have two legs by doing these simple exercises and eating this mysterious berry from the middle of Taiwan

[harsh urchin]

Yeah I think we can just agree to disagree here. I don't think there's fundamentally anything wrong with games needing you to grind for a long time for progression.

[upper sun]

pffff what are you gonna do your ass is gonna say 28 prayers before being allowed to open my door to fite me

[crude vortex]

I wonder what servitor name I'll give you.

[tulip kettle]

but you dont understand my condition and its insulting to deny ADHD exists because of tweens on tiktok

[upper sun]

im not denying it

[crude vortex]

ADHD isn't a joke but pseudoscientific homeopathy is

Is it funny? Not really

[upper sun]

many illnesses can be managed with diet and exercise why cant ADHD be medigated with other life style changes?

[crude vortex]

False.

[tulip kettle]

my life has been ruined by my condition and i hate it, and for years as a younger teenager i was depressed because i didnt understand

[mighty olive]

_>;; I'm embarrassed for you for saying that

[crude vortex]

[tulip kettle]

oh you have schitzophrenia? just eat more veggies dude

[mighty olive]

My brother has it pretty bad, I understand

[upper sun]

you still know right from wrong

[crude vortex]

I have mental health issues. Inhaling plant fumes will obviously fix me

[tulip kettle]

yes i do

i know what i need to do

[upper sun]

even if things are harder for you to do even if basic needs can be impossible to do

[harsh urchin]

this statement is as delusional as trying to make gay people turning straight by zapping them with electrciity

[tulip kettle]

i have lost 12 of my teeth.

[crude vortex]

You should stop talking about things you don't know about man.

[tulip kettle]

i know i need to brush my teeth.

[crude vortex]

Serious advice

[mighty olive]

Clad is unhinged today >_<

[upper sun]

im always unhinged but thats not relevant

[tulip kettle]

i will spend 5 hours being upset and cryiing at myself trying to make myself brush my teeth.

[crude vortex]

Clad gonna tell us to microdose some wackass concoction next 😭

[tulip kettle]

instead of just.... brushing my teeth.

[upper sun]

doing things you dont want to do is hhow you build up discipline

[crude vortex]

This isn't unhinged or quirky or whatever this is just foolish

[upper sun]

and you did it in the end thats what matters

[tulip kettle]

often not.

[upper sun]

dont focus on how hard it was

[tulip kettle]

i like you dude

but please

dont

if i could will myself to be better i wouldnt have an issue.

[harsh urchin]

yeah maybe you should build up some discipline by grinding out the weapons you want in dt

instead of complaining that its too hard

[tulip kettle]

XD

[upper sun]

fine

[calm sapphire]

me when theres nothing I want to get anymore

[upper sun]

its ok we wont be having this discussion in two months when everyone stops playing

[harsh urchin]

which classes do you like? and what do you have built out already

[tulip kettle]

bruh everyone already stopped p[laying

[harsh urchin]

i can share a few setups that i find fun

[tulip kettle]

less than 3k concurrent steam pl;ayers at peak rn

[mighty olive]

There's a lot of new players on the game, it's nice to see

[crude vortex]

It's not so much that it's hard, but knowing how easy it is, and anguishing over how we can't just make ourselves "do something simple", because for whatever reason our bodies beg us not to. The whole day we fret over the list of undone tasks that we just wish we could get done, even if it's just a few or even one, but can't because we can't bring ourselves to because our mind and body can't fathom having the energy to do that

For many, specified medications or real tried and scientifically verified methods help this. For some, it's nigh difficult to treat chemically. Only people with these issues will understand

Clearly you do not if you think it can be fixed with a week in the woods 💀

[harsh urchin]

look at mine

lmao

[mighty olive]

Not happy about level 19 people joining damnation but ya know

[crude vortex]

not enough hours

[upper sun]

were done talking about that but yeah sure lets start back up

[tulip kettle]

at the end of the day, darktide has SICK core gameplay

[upper sun]

you can not deny that newer generations have lower attentions spans now

[tulip kettle]

and its enough to bring me back once a week or so

yes

that is true

[harsh urchin]

yep if they add new content i'll come back

[mighty olive]

I um...hrm..yeah >_<

[harsh urchin]

i think the core gameplay is great

[tulip kettle]

and ADHD. autism etc are over self diagnosed by tweens on tiktok. But the conditions do actually exist

[harsh urchin]

and if there's new progression systems to grind

I'll gladly grind it out

[tulip kettle]

its called an executive function disorder

[cold ivy]

i want to try out a whole bunch of weapons but farming the perks/blessings is a pain in the ass

so i stick with the ol' reliable

chainsword and plasmagun

[tulip kettle]

and once you understand what executive function is and why an abnormal executive function system could cause issues for a person you will see the difference between " oh i like scrolling on my smartphone" and "i am not able to perform basic self mainteneance tasks or perform the core functions that are required for me to effectively participate in society"

[mighty olive]

I'm hoping they'll add material conversion like on vermintide, I gots a whole lotta diamantium and little plasteel

[calm sapphire]

eh I switch on and off all 4 classes tbh

tho I do main ogryn

[harsh urchin]

ah ogryn is a bit unfortunate

the builds are more or less kinda boring/straightforward

[upper sun]

thats not gonna happen anytime soon they expected people to build weapons to gold rather than stopping at purple which if you go all the way with weapons youll run out of both resources

[harsh urchin]

i have a shield+rumbler, shovel+gg and club+kb setups

[upper sun]

they kinda failed to realize than some perks and blessings are important on some weapons and its kinda hard to play a weapon without them

[calm sapphire]

I have pretty much min maxed the setups I have for each class tbh so I have nothing left to grind for imo

[tulip kettle]

aka bromentum on every weapon that can get bromentum

[upper sun]

or uncanny which is stupidly broken

why is rending universal

[cold ivy]

i spent weeks trying to get blessings for CIAG

[tulip kettle]

well, why is brittleness universal

[harsh urchin]

sounds like a giga waste of time

[cold ivy]

meanwhile you buy a decent gray plasmagun from brunt, put maniac + elite on it and it shits on everything

[harsh urchin]

cuz ciag is pretty non-dependent on blessings

[tulip kettle]

why is brittleness and rending 2 seperate things

[rigid sky]

I'm currently struggling to get a decent mark VII shovel

[tulip kettle]

pick a lane

[rigid sky]

CIAG kinda needs Dum Dum but Dum Dum can be any rank

[harsh urchin]

rending is applied to you, brittleness is applied to an enemy

[tulip kettle]

l

[upper sun]

yeah brit is a debuff and rending is a player buff

brittlness is fine

[tulip kettle]

i knoiw the difference but im saying why have the mechanic

[upper sun]

if everyone attacks a target with it then that target should get more damage

[calm sapphire]

I run basher / kickback or krouk mk 4 with ripper mk2

[tulip kettle]

also, why does "5% brittleness" actually only apply 2.5% brittleness

[upper sun]

it doesnt make sense for me to give a crusher bleed then stab a guy in the head and have more damage done to the crusher

[cosmic sigil]

this is why i have a precious kickback on my ogryn with 78 everything and maniac + specialist... it just oneshots them 😄

[tulip kettle]

but hear me out...rock

[calm sapphire]

tbh any club will do for me since I can just bully the crap out of bosses / DH

[cosmic sigil]

ah yeah, true but i tend to play with the nuke

i like soften them up with the club

[tulip kettle]

ill be honest

i cant understand anything but shield or bendy bonk on ogryn

[cosmic sigil]

and the nuke is such a good bs removal in pubs

i do love how almost everybody goes out of their way to no siphon nades from the ogryn

[calm sapphire]

nuke is nice but.... its only a one time use bad situation moment

not as reliable as the ROCK!

[upper sun]

this makes no sense why should uncanny work like this

[tulip kettle]

like why would i ever use a club over bendy bonk on ogryn

[cosmic sigil]

because i am a kickback user, most of the time it does the work of the rock

[calm sapphire]

bendy bonk?

[tulip kettle]

folding shovel, the brown one

[calm sapphire]

makes sense

[tulip kettle]

blue one is also fine but i prefer the brown one

brown shovel + bromentum = 4 dead crushers per one heavy attack

[calm sapphire]

club can slap stagger bosses for days

basically u can solo DH no prob

[tulip kettle]

balanced

[charred urchin]

What's the meta smite build?

[tulip kettle]

what do you mean?

smite is smite

[charred urchin]

Like what keystone do people use, weapons, etc.

[tulip kettle]

smite provides CC but no dmg, so the rest of your build needs dmg and not really cc

generally, the way i look at every class is this

i have 3 tools : blitz, ranged and melee

i need to cover : heavy armour, hordes, maniacs/ specials + monstrosities

[cinder moon]

give this a shot https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b88aab3-1ace-484a-a1ae-63b4c89f1ac9/unlimited-power-3

[cosmic sigil]

i use smite as a stun nade / stagger tool on one of my gun psyker build

[cinder moon]

it only really lacks in the ability to deal with long range and monstrosities, but LMB spam will do fine for killing/suppressing snipers/far away gunners, and as long as you're doing CC during boss phases you won't be a detriment to the team

[cosmic sigil]

it's just a tool

[charred urchin]

Looks interesting, ty.

[cinder moon]

smite is more about controlling situations that could easily get out of hand

[cosmic sigil]

yes

[tulip kettle]

50 trash units? just kill em

[cosmic sigil]

like 3 crushers and 10 ragers spawned? ok let's reassess the situation

[tulip kettle]

12 ragers, 6 crushers and a plogryn? smite

[cosmic sigil]

if you have a zealot with flamer or immonade? smite

[cinder moon]

how to be a team player with smite

[cosmic sigil]

so that everything stays in the fire

[tulip kettle]

how to turn your brain off completely and spam parry on any non ogryn class

[cinder moon]

some deep fried audio

[cosmic sigil]

perfect use of smite

[cinder moon]

this is still my favorite smite clip

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

https://tenor.com/view/smoking-nosmoking-lunch-gif-5182931

twf the jar is dry and its 4 weeks till the next harvest

[cinder moon]

https://tenor.com/view/chillout-jackson-claire-danger5-patnmatthaiku-gif-18915079

[rigid sky]

That when face

[hexed geyser]

Is this good from melk? Is fire trauma still a thing?

[patent jacinth]

Are blessings shared between staffs or no

[frail harness]

No

[patent jacinth]

Shit, just found warp nexus 4 on a purgatus

[frail harness]

Yeah that's good. Carapace to crit chance and TB to warp nexus

[hexed geyser]

Yup it's already done

[frail harness]

Well, at least that's a good blessing for purg 🤷‍♂️

[patent jacinth]

Bad purg though

[dusk void]

Let's go to Hadron and hope she doesn't screw me over

[restive ice]

i think im cooking with this one

[cosmic sigil]

ok what do you want on a purga?

[fresh reef]

Nexus and Flurry, 76+% burn stat, high as possible cloud radius

[cosmic sigil]

because i already have this one

so i wondered if it would be an upgrade or a side grade

[fresh reef]

technically a downgrade, but by such an infantesimal amount it doesn't really matter

[mighty cipher]

I would say it’s a massive upgrade. You could get Flurry AND Nexus IV as well as crit chance rather than infested damage. You also get a DRASTICALLY faster staff quell. And in my opinion, lower warp resistance is actually a benefit on the Purg staff.

[cosmic sigil]

interesting

ok let's buy thatg

[dusk void]

Unlimited BB? or nah?

[frail harness]

damn, Emperor handing out the good stuff

[frail harness]

this one is actually much better. You can slot in crit chance for infested and get Nexus IV for Run & Gun. It's nice having a lower warp resist on purg because it ramps up the peril for nexus faster

[stable halo]

As long as you only target specials that go down in one crunch, yes

[cosmic sigil]

@mighty cipher @frail harness the purga experiment was successful

i used the build from the guide with it, any other build to recommend?

[frail harness]

I think BB is the blitz that makes the most sense with purg, and I think that shield works well with it, since it generates so little peril

I have a build that uses something like this

Nice thing about empowered psyonics is that it's so cheap. A lot of extra points to spread around

[mighty cipher]

It's not an experiment, that's the same Perk/Blessing setup that I have on my personal staff. I think the stats are slightly different but thats the only difference.

[worn beacon]

A really sharp sword

[plucky flax]

Go flak unyielding

[untold niche]

im assuming you don't peril edge because you took battle med
in that case why not grab solidity
Even if you were peril edging why not grab solidity xd

you could also grab EE as well, changing out the dome toughness regen

[jovial juniper]

Since you have resonance, you can start the bb chain by using your ability

[jovial juniper]

Which begs the question, do you get more value of shriek with the 100 damage or with the 1 stack of blaze?

In the context of activating the resonance for bb chain of course

[wind spruce]

You won't always be activating it at 0 peril

[jovial juniper]

I'm fairly aware of that, however

Not my question

[wind spruce]

The answer is complicated as it depends on how much soul blaze is in play from other sources

If it's the only source the 100 damage would be more value

But it's a dumb af hypothetical because you should always take creeping flames

[jovial juniper]

"Dumb af"
Plz watch your tone

[still hearth]

The issue is that the 100 damage also has falloff

But neither option is good if you're using it at 0 peril

[jovial juniper]

Now that's something I was looking forward

[untold niche]

i mean, how many time are you going to not purposefully be at 83.3% when you do creeping flames vs

i don't think anybody has the answer to these questions unless you/they go test it themselves :v

[jovial juniper]

I mean, I want to know at 0 peril

But I got something else to think now that I know that the 100 damage fall off

Specially because of the reach that shriek has

[still hearth]

I think at 0 peril instant damage will always be better.

1 stack of soulblaze is like less than 10 damage

[radiant frigate]

1 stack of soulblaze is just for the light show

[cinder moon]

such pretty colors, sibling!

[jovial juniper]

Me when I play power outage missions

[halcyon gust]

Burn baby burn

[upper sun]

I kneel...

[halcyon gust]

Only thing I had to fix was changing Warp Nexus 3 to 4 and chaning weakpoint to Flak

[rotund fable]

The emperor gave me an interesting weapon...

[halcyon gust]

The emperor gave you a really nice paper weight

[clear heath]

We will be sharing more information on this update by the end of the month
...but it IS the end of the month

they gonna give us more info tomorrow?

[radiant frigate]

more information was shared

[clear heath]

wait this post was made 16 days ago

[radiant frigate]

the information is that there will be more information next week

[clear heath]

why'd they just link it again now?

[marble crater]

[clear heath]

amazing

[upper sun]

amendment to an update about the status of the update announcement

[marble crater]

I hope this update is worth the wait

[upper sun]

ughhhh

[radiant frigate]

obscurus obscurus obscurus

[upper sun]

i get everything except deimos 😭

[halcyon gust]

If gifting weapons to others was a thing. I could give you this

[calm sapphire]

how do u know its next week?

copium?

[upper sun]

man id be so down to trade weapons

[radiant frigate]

i guess it just says "soon"

[marble crater]

If it's not next week then the playerbase might drop to 0

[radiant frigate]

so, i do not know

[still hearth]

Next Week meme is back

Long live next week

[rotund fable]

If i had a nickel for every time today where my team consisted of 2 knife zealots that drastically over-estimate their skill level and a gun-lugger ogryn who refused to heal (going as far as to say "Healing is for cowards" in chat)... I would have 2 nickels... which isnt a lot, but it's weird it happened twice in 1 day.

[radiant frigate]

that is indeed weird

[paper loom]

is decapitator a good blessing for an axe?

[rotund fable]

remind me what decapitator does again?

[upper sun]

which axe?

[paper loom]

its just in melk on a rashad it slvl 4

was going to get the blessing

[rotund fable]

I forget what decapitator does

[upper sun]

for rashad you really want brutal and headtaker/decimator

[paper loom]

24% finiese for 5 secs stacks 5 times

[radiant frigate]

oh that

[paper loom]

ah so not worth buying

[radiant frigate]

pretty stinky methinks

[paper loom]

i thought finese was good

[rotund fable]

If it werent for the fact it needs to be specifically on 1-shot-kill, then it would be servicible.

[paper loom]

ah ok

[radiant frigate]

it triggers on oneshot so you need to oneshot to even trigger it

and if you are already oneshotting? i doubt you need more finesse

[paper loom]

yea shit then

[radiant frigate]

unless you're like individually overheading bruisers to then be able to sweep them with brutal momentum

[paper loom]

well i guess if you use on a horde and theres crushers in the horde?

[radiant frigate]

or you build it up on smaller things

but at that point

[rotund fable]

Now, if it were an "on kill" type blessing, then you could probably justify it

[radiant frigate]

just use the less situational ones

like headtaker

[paper loom]

yea i didnt notice the on kill bit:]

[radiant frigate]

or decimator, as mentioned

just +power because +power good

[paper loom]

just got this pre 50% bricked axe

maybe il get lucky

[radiant frigate]

you are hoping for 2 correct things to come in and save it?

bold

[paper loom]

haha

its happened before

[rotund fable]

I once got a Rashad with thrust 4 and decimator 2, with flak and maniac... it had all stats above 75%, except damage, which was at 15% as a mission reward...

I just ripped the thrust 4 off of it.

[halcyon gust]

You're assuming Hadron will place nice

Enjoy your +1.5 stamina and Terrifying Barrage

[paper loom]

i bought a can of WD40 and im willing to do things most siblings arent

[rotund fable]

I dont think axes can get terrifying barrage... can they?

[halcyon gust]

Hadron will find a way to slap that blessing on Anything

But no. You can't get Barrage on a ax

[rotund fable]

I once met a zealot player who wished he could put barrage on his knife for a meme loadout he wanted to do.

[halcyon gust]

[rotund fable]

Guy even went into a long-winded detail of an idea where, if barrage could be slapped onto a knife, he would make a build that stealth's up, backstabs something, and then everything nearby gets scared, letting him go around for more backstabs.

[halcyon gust]

Zealots are weird, but I can see the logic in it

Imagine seeing one of your Heretic brothers in arms suddenly die before your eyes to a surprise zealot

[upper sun]

purge/bb/deimos/bubble/warp siphon
void or surge or truama/smite/illisi/shriek/warpshiphon

oh good god

is this it

am i gonna get a great deimos?

[halcyon gust]

Doesn't look that bad

[vestal fulcrum]

You certainly can get -a- Deimos

[halcyon gust]

Hadron: Can it pass my Test

[fresh reef]

Currently running a support build that coincidentally is very good at killing things

Mk5 DS/Surge, Shriek with Warp Rupture, Assail, Empowered Psionics with the toughness on use node

[upper sun]

nvm

[halcyon gust]

Classic Hadron

[vestal fulcrum]

A nice base

(not that I care particularly about Mk5 for now, but you know, a nice base)

[halcyon gust]

That be a nice sword

Now like all Nice weapons

Brick it at Hadron Bricking Services ™️

[quartz barn]

Rip mobility

If only mobility and defence were swapped

[halcyon gust]

You only need 51% mobility

Which gives you the max dodges

[quartz barn]

Ye but distance

[vestal fulcrum]

ye but

[quartz barn]

True, gonna get bricked anyway

[vestal fulcrum]

Not now, not today - I was rather insinuating that it doesn't matter either way

[crude vortex]

what's wrong with soulblaze?

[rigid sky]

Depends on the source

Purgatus, Creeping Flames, Perilous Combustion, Blaze Trauma = yay

other sources = boo

Wildfire marginal

Blazing Spirit on anything other than Trauma = terrible

[crude vortex]

nvm it's the Deimos I see now I thought it was the Illisi

[radiant frigate]

the deimos of daemon summoning?

[upper sun]

believe it or not one of the best bases i got after spending about a mil over all

[radiant frigate]

and then blazing spirit

[upper sun]

😭

[radiant frigate]

speaking of deimos

i know that i once said i would take it over a dueling sword any day

i have since changed my mind

i would rather have a dueling sword as they can get rampage and it is pretty nice that way

[crude vortex]

Deimos is a lesser Illisi to me 😔

[radiant frigate]

deimos is a lesser obscurus!!

RETVRN

[crude vortex]

I like the Obscurus at least. The warp charge makes it feel like I'm sucking out an enemy's insides through a straw

[radiant frigate]

deimos does that too

[crude vortex]

Has a stinky swing pattern

[upper sun]

the active on obs is even slower than deimos

[radiant frigate]

but it has the funny stab

[upper sun]

like i love the animation i do but its slowwww

[crude vortex]

Stinky swing pattern compared to both Illisi and Obscurus

Obscurus is more single target at least so I don't mind the Warp straw that way

[upper sun]

1L2H and everything dies

[radiant frigate]

obscurus at least has some horde clear but in my brief experimentation on how best to use it, the best way i found is to run a build that barely uses it

which is depressing

[crude vortex]

I'd have to fiddle with it more to see exactly what it lacks since I do feel the pain with it but not exactly where just yet

[willow hazel]

The way to get the most out of it is a lot of special canceling, which means either macros or arthritis

[rigid sky]

Deimos is the single target psyker weapon though tbh

and it still has a better cleave moveset than obscurus

[rigid sky]

It's a completely different weapon from Illisi

Does totally different things

[crude vortex]

Just in terms of reliability

Personally it's Illisi > Obscurus > Deimos in terms of how useful and versatile the things are

[remote bloom]

I need to note that once I actually bother to play Psyker

[rigid sky]

Deimos can kill anything single-target without having to commit to the special attack

tbh you can pretend the special isn't there

which I kinda hate lmao

[crude vortex]

Still suggested to try them out for yourself as well since I may play differently from you

[rigid sky]

Illisi is crazy good though

[remote bloom]

Yeah, I've noticed when playing with Kat

[rigid sky]

If you're comfortable with both of them it's good to pick them based on your ranged weapon

and based on your wider build

like I think with DD, an Illisi can be good enough for single target too

But I'd not bother with Illisi on a Purgatus because they just do the same job

similarly, I wouldn't use a Deimos with a Surge staff because again, too similar in profile and leaves me exposed on hordes

[frail harness]

I don't think battle med or solidity are mandatory. There's a lot of room for personal preference with empowered psy builds. I wouldn't change the dome toughness though, that's the best part about the dome

[marble crater]

After using a Duelling Sword and getting addicted to the mobility, I don't think I can go back to Deimos

[rigid sky]

Dome toughness is huge, yeah

don't take dome without it

I only really like Battle Meditation for Scrier's builds tbh

I mean I like the feel of having it (unless I'm running shriek) but it's not worth the point imo

[frail harness]

Really wish other weapons had move techs like DS's.

[rigid sky]

Knife has

[frail harness]

Yeah, I have a knife build on all littl uns characters already 😭

I even like Ogryn knife lol

[halcyon gust]

A tale to why you priotize bombers ASAP or else

Went down and died in a bad spot. The Vet died trying to save me and left the Zealot and Ogryn to slowly get pushed by a bomber setting up camp

[rotund fable]

Went into a game where there were 6 snipers on a balcony and bombers constantly spawning out of 1 door at the far end of the room...

So many sniper beams that i ended up dodging INTO a shot and dying

and then 3 of the 6 snipers Locked onto me and just...

It was the second room of the mission

It felt like playing tf2 when the enemy team had hackers...

[upper sun]

man there was one assassination mission where there was a pack of gunners on the entrance

and some person aggroed them from the other side

3 people died that day

F

[upper sun]

remove barrage from the game

[untold niche]

sniper mael?

[untold niche]

if you get shot while dodging that means your iframe ended so you were unlucky with timing / you spammed dodge too much and it was a shorter dodge

[rotund fable]

It was a heresy level mission with randoms (I was doing melk contracts).

[rotund fable]

I was trying to avoid a sniper and a pair of ragers that came around a corner unexpectedly, so I double-tapped dodge to get distance.

[vestal fulcrum]

Too bad the other blessing is Precog

But I can make do with this toothpick

[upper sun]

ok who here is the natacha zealot?

you did good 🙂

[ember solstice]

Level 24 psyker entering my first damnation mission

Oh boy

With a poxhound modifier

[upper sun]

my guy i trust a level 24 psyker with a purg more than anyone on hounds

[ember solstice]

Yea we won

I died thrice tho

One was a spawcamp from a sniper

[upper sun]

karma

i only play dogs on psyker

shits too hard without a staff

[ember solstice]

I mean

Gun psyker fun as hell tho 🥲

[upper sun]

ofc but dealing with dogs is far easier with surg/truama or smite

[ember solstice]

I’ll see about it

[upper sun]

surge is stupid fun

[rigid sky]

Gun psyker does it easy too

[upper sun]

i didnt even see that trapper

[rigid sky]

Mostly with assail

[ember solstice]

AYO I JUST REALIZED

I WENT IN WITH A GREY GUN

[upper sun]

what gun?

[ember solstice]

columnus

Unupgraded

[upper sun]

nah you good

[rigid sky]

CIAG can kinda work tbh even unupgraded

[upper sun]

ngl i once went in with a purple purg and i legit didnt notice until after the game

[rigid sky]

It's not as good but yeah

Purgatus even more so tbh

[ember solstice]

I never went in with gold ngl

[halcyon gust]

I seen people go in damnation games wtih full greys before

There's some weapons that are just good enough that them being Grey isn't much of an issue normally

[ember solstice]

Hell yeah

[upper sun]

tbh if the player is good enough it doesnt matter

like ill be honest having momentum on my evsci when i play zealot is a crutch

[patent jacinth]

People do auric damnation with no perks and grey weapons

[upper sun]

sometimes i need it sometimes its a waste

[radiant frigate]

i can see momentum being good if you have bad toughness otherwise

like if you aren't running crit or martyr

i guess momentum keystone also generates toughness

[upper sun]

i run it on marty

with chorus

when i do charge i dont use it

[hasty valve]

Got this on the first roll! Do I keep block or groaners tho? 1 change left

[halcyon gust]

Trade out Block Efficiency is my choice

[upper sun]

i would trade block too doding is better than blocking

[halcyon gust]

While fodder isn't the best damage bonus to get. It'll at least do Something compare to block eff

[hasty valve]

alright thanks

[long wharf]

goddamn I'm so excited!

FartShack is still working on an update to the update, guys!

[halcyon gust]

Don't get too excited sibling

[long wharf]

Next Week(tm) we'll get an update on what they're thinking about updating

jesus h christ, they fumbled the ball on Darktide so hard

[untold niche]

dat me
tbh its fine :v

i was carrying level 30+s with a caxe that couldn't 2 hit bruisers ( think like 60 damage 50 pen or something)
Grey kant shotgun
3x two stam curios with no curio perks.

I was 27 :v

[untold niche]

mommentum gud for dodge
also cheaper to build curio perk wise since i no longer have to take +hp
I feel its more consistent as well, in that regard it feels nicer than martyr personally

[halcyon gust]

Higher toughness does give you a better buffer on melee hits if you drop from full toughness

[untold niche]

wait are u replying to what i said about mommentum?

just want to clarify

[halcyon gust]

Ah

[untold niche]

as in wat are you replying to, genuinely asking so i don't get the wrong idea

sometime i thought people reply to me, but its not. then me me very sad you know

[halcyon gust]

Wasn't really replying to you. Just adding having more toughness doesn't hurt for Marty builds since it can help reduce scratch damage you take in melee

[untold niche]

yeah, but with martyr it feels as though you have to grind out curios

since you would want
+3hp +3toughness +3gunner

whereas i could just do +3toughness and +3gunner for judgement build

im not a fan of grinding out curios when sometimes they are not even in the shop + the good ones you might only see once a month
Either you are lucky and you get a good one with one perk you already want, or you get a clean one and pray hadron doesn't brick it.

[halcyon gust]

Curios I tend to be the least picky on. As long as I get 20% HP or 16% toughness for survivability along with +3 Stamina on Vet and Psyker. ALong with 3 stacks of Gunner resistance

[untold niche]

yeah i usually just do 2 perks, since thats the maximum you can change at hadron

theres no way im going to grind out perfect 3stam curios

my first 3 stam i saw on my psyker was when i was +46

[halcyon gust]

I'm trying to find a new +3 stamina on vet

Since I got unlucky with a 75 rating +3 stam

[untold niche]

75 rating means one of the perks isl ike level 2?

not sure how curio rating works because i always just plan my build with the assumption i can only have 2 curio perk i want.

[halcyon gust]

75 gives you 2+ stamina in mission, but is +3 stam in Meat grinder

Which really annoys me when I learned about it

So the entire time only had +2 stamina on my Vet builds that use Dead shot

[untold niche]

but in your loadout it says +3?

[halcyon gust]

My vet "+3" stamina

Versus my Psyker +3 stam

[untold niche]

shit, how do i calculate if the base of my +3 is 75 lol

[halcyon gust]

Just remove 1 stam if you got a 75 base

[untold niche]

no i mean

if i i have a gold stam curio

obviously the rating is not 75 anymore

how do i figure out if its a legit +3

[halcyon gust]

Look at the base rating of it

If it is 76 or higher

It's a Proper +3

[untold niche]

how do you see the base rating

[halcyon gust]

If it is 75

[untold niche]

oh wait i think i just saw it, its freaking small

yeah i was asking like literally how do you check it

[halcyon gust]

And my Zealot gets +21 HP curio from Melk....

I swear it is the classes you don't touch that is suddenly getting all the good shit

[untold niche]

why do you need +21hp on zealot :v

[halcyon gust]

Never hurts to have more HP

[plucky flax]

Good hp curios

[halcyon gust]

Would been nice for my Ogryn so I have Trifecta of 3 21% curios

[untold niche]

i rather have toughness/wounds on zealot

same like psyker, psyker i don't take wound
if i do die inshallah my teammates will save me

[halcyon gust]

I never take wounds unless Marty zealot

[untold niche]

yes thats what i was implying'

[halcyon gust]

I been seeing people running extra rounds and I seen the rare 6 wound ogryn

I can just see the Diminos of failure falling after the first big encounter of a run

[jovial juniper]

[untold niche]

if i die i die

no takesies backsies

[rich spindle]

I used to think that hp was useless but i realized i was taking toughness bleed through damage every match regardless

[cinder moon]

just don’t get hit, shrimple as that

[rich spindle]

Also now I think toughness regen is overrated on psyker

[fresh reef]

What do you guys think is the most honest psyker build?

Winning with ascendant blaze is becoming boring

[ornate hamlet]

dueling sword, GUN and smite

[rich spindle]

Obscurus sword and revolver

With bubble shield

[lyric burrow]

probably like

surge obscurus BB double wall or something

but thats also just like intentionally taking mid weapons cause thats kinda what you have to do to stay honest

[fluid skiff]

It was purple as a mission reward, Hadron was in a good mood.

[dim parrot]

yes because its the +17 one's that hadron wants to brick

[upper sun]

its true i swear the game is rigged against most usable items

[fluid skiff]

Has the +3 stamina curio bug ever been fixed?

[upper sun]

no

[dim parrot]

bug?

does it not give u +3 stamina or something

[fluid skiff]

Not for me. It'll give the correct amount in Psykhanium but in actual missions they only give +2

[dim parrot]

lol rly that's garbage if its actually true, never use +3 stamina anyway so doesn't effect me much

[plucky flax]

It would if your curios are higher than 76 rating.

[upper sun]

doesnt matter 80 or 76 they all brick the same 😭

[plucky flax]

No my 77+ 3 stam works properly for sure.

[upper sun]

😭 yeah with t4 curio chance t3 hounds and t4muties

[rich spindle]

What is psykers base toughness

Lot of conflicting answers online

[rigid sky]

If the curio has a base rating of 75, then it will display as a +3 but actually give you +2

[vestal fulcrum]

60

[rich spindle]

So +5% toughness gives you 3 toughness? :/

[rigid sky]

It's ok for our toughness to be lower, since we have the best toughness regeneration in the game by far

[rich spindle]

I think ill switch one of my two toughness curios to health

[upper sun]

toughness is either zero or 100 no middle ground

[halcyon gust]

Oh god damn it

Speaking of 75 stamina

[rigid sky]

Yep, that's a +2

[halcyon gust]

My vet got cursed with the 75 stamina

And trying to find a proper +3 stamina

[upper sun]

i have boatloads of +3 stams and zero +17% toughness

[rich spindle]

Isnt yhe difference about 1 total toughness

Between 16 and 17%

[rigid sky]

Tbh I just deal with my curios being 16 on some characters

15 even sometimes

Wanna pump my plasteel into trying to make that perfect shovel VII

I hate how getting misses doesn't get you any closer to your hit

Worst part of the crafting system imo

[halcyon gust]

Crafting system is all in

You either get a Brick, Workable, or perfect

No inbetween

[upper sun]

🤔

[halcyon gust]

Find it really funny we can change our skill build at any time as we see fit, but weapons is the most annoying process to change them up

[upper sun]

i think those 3 things are all the possible outcomes

[halcyon gust]

There's the 4th one is God roll where you get a 4/4 on the perks and blessings with 0 things need to be fixed

[upper sun]

nuh uh

it doesnt exist

[halcyon gust]

That's why I never mentioned it because Hadron never gives it to you

[rigid sky]

Brunt also being very uncooperative

Shovel VII is easy on modifiers

3 important stats, one more which is ideally at 51+, and one irrelevant

But everything he gives me dumps one of the big 3

[upper sun]

brunt is my man

hes more trust worthy than hadron

[halcyon gust]

At least you can brute force Brunt if you got enough money to throw at the problem

[upper sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1221824651022569564/cd6.jpg

if nobody got me i know brunt got me

[halcyon gust]

Hadron: What a nice weapon you have there....Would be a shame if I were to....Brick it

[upper sun]

nah if i remember correctly it got flak 3 and dumdum3

i just put raking fire on the second blessing and upgraded flak

i have never bricked a columus(i only rolled two)

[untold niche]

do you guys ever go like : ah shit i actually can't handle this alone and run back to your team

[crude vortex]

Yeah

[patent wing]

no

[crude vortex]

Mistakes happen

[upper sun]

ofc

[crude vortex]

Mistakes and miscalculations

[untold niche]

usually its when i turn a corner and see 6 crusher 2 mauler and 3 rager

after i have been pushing forward the past 5 minutes

xD

[crude vortex]

"Maybe it's time to back up just a little-" smack

[untold niche]

tbh even 4 crusher and 2 rager is enough for me to make me run back :p

esp if im not on psyker

i think psyker i will face tank

[upper sun]

crushers maulers ragers meh but hound/pox burster i will gtfo

[crude vortex]

That's a challenge for my zealot not my psyker sadly

[upper sun]

i will leave anyone and everything

[untold niche]

poxyb more dangerous when theres teammates around

[upper sun]

not when you explode it on them

[untold niche]

then u find out not enuf distance so you eat damage anyway

[crude vortex]

blow up and act like you don't know anybody

[tulip kettle]

this is my goal in life tbh

[rigid sky]

Psykers are so good at dealing with poxbursters

We have to be, we die if we get hit by 2 of them

[upper sun]

pox bursters are why i play marty zealot

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/no-more-needless-spending-randy-marsh-south-park-s13e3-margaritaville-gif-22863355

[still hearth]

That's exactly how I play

Push until it seems really bad and then bolt back

[rigid sky]

I'm very aware of the possibility of 2 bruisers getting into my blindspot and absolutely fucking humiliating me

So I try to stay in the middle of the team as much as possible on Psyker

[upper sun]

scab bruisers and pox bursters are the bane of my existence

zero health damage until that fat asshole blew up 😭

[halcyon gust]

We all love the Pox burster fuck you

[thin finch]

The corridor life did not help at all

[untold niche]

i feel more tanky on my psyker than my zeal and vet :p

i fee llike absolute god on psyker, only to be killed by unsuspecting poxybs

[tulip kettle]

i feel strongest on psyker for sure

like, i can handle way more enemies of higher threat level on psyker

but some of my zealot builds are pretty much unkillable

[rigid sky]

You basically have an even more extreme version of Feel No Pain

One hit = who gives a shit

Two hits = get the spatula and scrape me off the floor

[tulip kettle]

i have had this in chat : zealot is ACTUALLY killable im sure

[halcyon gust]

Psykers playing Psyker has insane amounts of toughness Regen so even if they take a melee hit. THey can quickly regen it back

[untold niche]

i think for me its mor ebecause i know i can nuke whatever comes my way

[halcyon gust]

That too

[patent wing]

i finally befriended the voidstrike staff

[tulip kettle]

after i spent about 90 seconds solo clutching in an undescribably insane situation where my screen was just a mass of colors and weapons and blood

[patent wing]

the solution was warp flurry+surge

[tulip kettle]

ew

[untold niche]

stop lying game doesn't have any blood

[untold niche]

yes thats the recommended blessing combo o.o

[patent wing]

bruh nexus+surge meakes this thing so slow

[tulip kettle]

it is not.

[untold niche]

wait flurry is not nexus

ah.

[halcyon gust]

Isn't Surge+Warp nexus

[tulip kettle]

voidstrike is surge nexus or flurry transfer

[rigid sky]

Tbh I can see it working with True Aim

[tulip kettle]

for this reason...

[rigid sky]

Fuck transfer

[patent wing]

true aim op

[rigid sky]

Invalidated by Venting Shriek imo

[untold niche]

i got flurry and nexus confused, but:
you can play nexus and flurry
i think its better than flurry surge.

[rigid sky]

I mean maybe use it if you don't take Shriek, but Shriek is essential for Void imo

[patent wing]

i have tried that too but i like flurry surge

[tulip kettle]

surge is poopoo without nexus and true aim

if you want flurry, which i do rate highly

pair it with transfer and battle med

[patent wing]

without flurry that staff is not playable for me, i like fast paced playstyles

[rigid sky]

I think with very good play flurry/surge might be best tbh

[tulip kettle]

so you can just shoot charged shots once per second forever

[rigid sky]

If you can save your anti-ogryn shots for when you have the proc from true aim

[patent wing]

nexus is higher crit chance but i compensate with more shots/minute

[untold niche]

i can't imagine using transfer and battle med while peril edging

[patent wing]

and true aim

[tulip kettle]

but AGAIN

in which case

[untold niche]

i don't think you can find much zombies around when they spawn 6 crushers

[tulip kettle]

its better to take transfer ionstead of surge

[rigid sky]

But nexus/surge more reliable

[patent wing]

will try

[tulip kettle]

flurry + transfer for infinite shooting

surge + nexus for higher dps but more downtime

[rigid sky]

You can quell without losing flurry buff

[tulip kettle]

yes but then you need to quell.

[rigid sky]

Nexus/flurry is good too

Just quell a little between shots and use Shriek very aggressively

[tulip kettle]

nexus is bad without surge unless youre quell cancelling uncharged shots

it does nothing otherwise

[rigid sky]

Whenever you have a Shriek ready ignore quell

Well that's not quite true, Voidstrike has great crit modifiers already

Idk I use surge/Nexus myself anyway

[tulip kettle]

yes

they dont give you any BP

except spam lmb with quell cancel to clear trash

[untold niche]

i don't like stuff like battle med and transfer because they mess up my peril management.
And also theres a chance that i could go under 80
I much rather just quell.

[tulip kettle]

rbut again its more efficicent to just charge and kill 14 at a time

[rigid sky]

Remember, magic number is 84% peril

For the 6 stack shriek

[untold niche]

i am aware but why would you aim to be always at 84 o.o

[rigid sky]

Well 84+ lol

[untold niche]

why would you lmb spam when rmb has cleave

[tulip kettle]

i just said that

[untold niche]

i think its 83.3

[tulip kettle]

you really wouldnt

[rigid sky]

If you hit Shriek at 80, you are missing a stack

Yes but default UI only gives to nearest %

So just push to at least 84 if you have unmodded just to make sure.

[untold niche]

either way, no point to always be there

[rigid sky]

Outside of Shriek windows, depending on my staff, sometimes I just dump back down to 0 when I get downtime

[untold niche]

nah i always stay at 80

gives you toughness dr as well

[tulip kettle]

errrm i need to edge my peril at precisely 86.6 🤓

[upper sun]

bro is gooning 24/7 😭

[rigid sky]

I'm far more prone to blow myself up if I'm doing the extreme edging lol

[tulip kettle]

i dump peril with shriek whenever

[rigid sky]

I want to make my purgatus generate even more peril tbh

I can't build to 84 between shrieks sometimes

[marble crater]

Roll one with low warp resistance

[halcyon gust]

Deep inhale

BOOOOOOOOIIIIII

If I gotten 1 more fucking scab bomber or trapper

Would been a juicy double clear on my contracts

But nooooo

The game swapped to dregs on the final fucking hold out

[rigid sky]

Join a game

Murder 1 scab

Leave

Refuse to elaborate

Actually I think then it doesn't count lmao

[halcyon gust]

You have to complete the mission for it to count

So that's a quick Sedition mission of shame for my Psyker

[upper sun]

thats why i do 8 missions

[patent wing]

mk6 bleed uncanny knife is goated for bosses

[still hearth]

Bleed DPS

👀

Though it is actually decent on bosses

I think last I measured it was 1k DPS at max stacks

[patent wing]

push attacks provide strong dps and also block 90% of hits

[radiant frigate]

how exactly does gunker go about saving people/resses

magdump in the general direction?

smite and pray someone else goes for the res?

[patent wing]

Play solo

do not save em

they just steal ur ammo

[radiant frigate]

what if it's a survivalist vet

what if it's the only one

consider it...

[tacit cargo]

Finally, a worthy weapon

[patent wing]

literally unplayable with so many points wasted in mobi

[rigid sky]

Push attack with force sword and hope Kinetic deflection holds

[next turret]

is good?

or this one

firsttries at using staffs instead of guns

[upper sun]

i would switch flurry to nexus and its pretty much a god roll

perk is depending on what you want carap for one shotting crushers but personally id go crit chance flak

[rigid sky]

Yeah, that voidstrike is fantastic but it needs Nexus

[upper sun]

carap flak is also great

[rigid sky]

The Surge ideally wouldn't be lumbered with Specialists

But it's a decent start

[upper sun]

this one idk about it boss but its a good starter

[rigid sky]

All 4 staff types are great for what it's worth

[next turret]

kida got stuck on that one

[upper sun]

once you get a better one you can earn nexus 4 from it

[rigid sky]

So do try them all out

[upper sun]

i rolled like at least 16 surges

[next turret]

funny i have nexus 4 for the surge force but not the voidstrike but as soon as i get it from melk or something ill change it]

[upper sun]

surge is a bit iffy but i love it since you kinda need 77% damage with 6 warp charges and like 2-3 perfect timing stacks to one shot a gunner with no crit

[next turret]

i tried it it kills all the specialist 1 shot but it takes a few tries oon a some of the bigger beasts

i lioke voidstike though its like ahving grenades

rifthaven next i think

i see people doing great things with that one

[upper sun]

i need to add ultra instinct theme to this

[rigid sky]

Nexus 3 is ok

Purgatus is an easy one to build at least

Only stats that really matter are burn and cloud

Arguably you want high quell and low warp res too

[upper sun]

also you kinda only really need flak and nexus

[rigid sky]

And only 4 blessings available iirc

Yeah

The other blessings are all crap really