#psyker-class

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upper sun
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๐Ÿค” thats clearly photoshopped to trick me

errant pawn
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In auric the hordes are so thick you can employ a vermantide technique of swinging the camera to hit more than 1 target, proccing it

rich spindle
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Lol

errant pawn
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On the regular swing that is

rich spindle
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I see

errant pawn
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But tbf a dodging perk would also be good on it, especially for killing the muties

rich spindle
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Yeah I got locked with both dodging blessings and theyre good enough

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Esp cus 80% of the time I melee is muties now that you mention it

rich spindle
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Trauma staff I think is too op lol

rigid sky
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Once you have a good one it's crazy

rich spindle
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Explode at feet and youre safe forever

rigid sky
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and once you're good with it

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I like it with the bubble too for even moar safety

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crushers can still get through btw

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you can only stagger them once then they get a short duration stagger immunity

rich spindle
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Doesnt it knock them down sometimes

upper sun
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Truama is too good and i got too lucky with a great roll that means its getting nerfed 100%

rigid sky
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I think they can land a swing in between your staggers

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maybe even a bonk, can't remember

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but yeah I wonder if short-charge blasts are a little too strong atm

upper sun
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anyhow if it gets nerfed im going to the forums to lie and bitch saying it cost me 5 weeks of grinding auric

rich spindle
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Same

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Buff purg tho

rigid sky
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Purgatus is actually good

upper sun
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eh purge is fine

rigid sky
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It's a warp charge generating machine

rich spindle
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The range i feel is so restricting

rigid sky
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take venting shriek

upper sun
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problem is its kinda hard to get something with 76% burn and 80 cloud

rigid sky
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and probably brain rupture

rigid sky
rich spindle
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Ya thats what i run with it

rigid sky
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after that you just want comfy quell speed

upper sun
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i only really got 3 good rolls for it so far

rigid sky
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but with shriek you have huge range multiclear

upper sun
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2 got got barraged and one is good

rigid sky
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you ideally don't want to rupture, you want to keep the purgatus out as much as you possibly can

rich spindle
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I like that it deletes zombie hordes but its useless on bulwarks and carapace

upper sun
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yeah

rigid sky
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There's a secret to that

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take a deimos with uncanny

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and once you torch the crushers a bit, do a special light attack to the dome of anything you can reach

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and then keep your sword out

upper sun
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though i had a game with a guy who was only running smite

rigid sky
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boom, your soulblaze now has +100 rending

upper sun
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and purge smite was one of my easiest auric runs

rigid sky
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apart from that you can rupture or just deimos them

rich spindle
rigid sky
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Credit to @feral verge for that tip

upper sun
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even better uncanny+executor

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yeah

rigid sky
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yes, executor adds to it too

rich spindle
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Brain bursting 1 crusher out of a pack of 12 while slowly hobbling back feels so bad LMAO

rigid sky
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Tbh, purgatus is a very specialised build

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You don't pick it into a random QP if you haven't seen the other peoples' stuff in the lobby

rich spindle
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Ya but fire is so awesome

rigid sky
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that's what the fire trauma's for :)

upper sun
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nah be a man and run it blind into pubs

rigid sky
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but yeah, you pick it if you feel like your team has good ranged and antiarmour

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(tbh I do sometimes but I leave if I see another purgatus or flamer on the team)

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(and try to come back with a void or a gun or something lol)

rich spindle
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Need some kind of brittleness melting blessing on purg

rigid sky
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You can amp it with the damage stim too

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that gives rending iirc

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but I generally prefer to just ping them and then go to torching the horde

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and giving the rest of the team the space

velvet verge
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I've been led to believe this is a near perfect staff?

upper sun
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uhhh

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you need flak

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i guess you can live with nexys 3

rich spindle
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How do the damage oerks with with purg

upper sun
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switch to melee

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or BB

rich spindle
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Wym

upper sun
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(you dont)

rich spindle
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Dmg perks dont effect soulblaze?

upper sun
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oh i thought you meant damage ogryn

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damage perks for it are flak crit chance

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purge is kinda like surge it targets base armor

rigid sky
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You want Flak either way

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second perk can be crit chance or unyielding

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I prefer crit chance for talent synergies

upper sun
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only the crusher has base armor as carap so you do flak/crit chance or flak/elite/unyielding/maniac

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whatever you can get+flak

hollow current
dim parrot
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respect sassyyes

halcyon gust
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Leave no Plasteel behind

upper sun
main wyvern
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do you guys run deflector

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it spoiiled me but maybe i should get something with higher numbers

halcyon gust
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Deflector is quite nice

main wyvern
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is it possible to 1 shot a mutant with illisi non crit?

rigid sky
main wyvern
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oh yeah forgot about dd

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iw as trying in the meat grinder with 0 stacks

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did like 3k

rigid sky
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Sadly can't get DD in the meat grinder

rigid sky
main wyvern
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i'm settling with this. no more buying illisis

upper sun
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its legit unfair how cheap it is to build zealot compared to psyker

harsh urchin
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To be fair sniper res is kinda useless for that build

halcyon gust
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I think Ogryn really benefits it, but that's if you want to do the meme of "Tanking a sniper bullet without having over toughness"

harsh urchin
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um

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it doesn't really because ogryn does that baseline

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without any sniper res

halcyon gust
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I see

lyric burrow
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Yeah ogryn just tanks snipers baseline esp since you dont really need health or stam curios

jovial juniper
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Innate 20% DMG reduction

upper sun
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I love getting prebricked weapons

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thanks emperor very nice

rich spindle
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Fuck it keep the perks

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Boss killer catachan

upper sun
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i keep bricked 370+ shit in case they ever remove locks(they wont)

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just 3 fucking locks thats all i'm asking jeez

naive coral
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anybody got any tips for the warp battery penance?

jovial juniper
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That's the one with the wrong description, right?

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Purgatus

rigid sky
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Do you guys reckon a mark IV assault chainsword would work well on gunker?

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would it work well with DD/SG

smoky wigeon
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Hey guys for Curios do ya'll usually get 2 toughness and 1 stam?

smoky wigeon
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word ty

lyric burrow
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it would work

cosmic sigil
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Yes it would work

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Just go SS/wrath + shred for the Crit magic secret tech

halcyon gust
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1 +3 stamina does a lot for Psykers since they have a very low base Stamina value

cosmic sigil
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But Regen is cracked

halcyon gust
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True, but Extra stamina is always nice when you need to do a clutch revive and you got some enemies trying to stop that

jovial juniper
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Add kinetic deflection to the formula and you can revive safely

upper sun
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i keep getting god rolls on brunts for classes i dont play

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i swear the game is rigged

tawny pebble
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i don't like carrying

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it doesn't feel like i've gotten any better at the game

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i just feel like i'm reacting better to my panic

upper sun
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"zero plasteel"

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nah post their names i need to block them

tawny pebble
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Tronan and Shrub were the ogryn

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Dub was the veteran

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Shrub was definitely helping me not solo it lol

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so I think he was the other one picking up materials

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I think Shrub/Dub were, by their names, playing together - one of them mentioned it was their first time on the higher difficulty

halcyon gust
tawny pebble
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i was chilling on heresy, dammit

halcyon gust
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Heresy is always fun

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Because you get the people making the jump from Malice and 8/10 times. They're not ready for the jump

tawny pebble
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yeaaah

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I remember being that guy too

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for damnation

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spent another week or two on heresy and then was really ready

halcyon gust
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It never hurts to dip your toe into the higher difficulty to see how well you go through

tawny pebble
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oh, absolutely

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never know if you need more practice until the AI director dunks you

halcyon gust
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Yep

tawny pebble
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and honestly, I say I don't like carrying, but there's always the twinge of pride after my panic subsides

halcyon gust
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I done my shares of carries and clutches, but you do feel like a hero after a clutch despite the director trying to kill you 100 different ways

cosmic sigil
tawny pebble
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I still haven't deigned to step into the Auric side

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despite spending longer in Damnation than I did in Heresy

halcyon gust
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I do my jumps into Auric time to time

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But I enjoy the Damnation quickplay experience

upper sun
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auric most times is legit easier than regular

tawny pebble
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Owing to the selection of players there are for strike teams?

upper sun
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most likely

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i mean in regular i can fuck around more and not die so i collect more plasteel

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so i usually do like 1/2 aurics a day then the rest regulars

tawny pebble
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hmm

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are there any build adjustments that are recommended for aurics?

upper sun
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idk if it works it works

tawny pebble
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that was my initial thought, haha

halcyon gust
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Just having much better game sense overall since there is little to no room for errors

tawny pebble
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Roger that, git gud-er

rigid sky
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Is this workable for a SG/DD gunker?

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literally the first chainsword Brunt gave me

upper sun
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also your team is better

rigid sky
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I'd imagine devastating strike is usable

upper sun
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looks great to me

cosmic sigil
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good fucking lord, facing ragers pack without a claw is maddening

upper sun
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shredder and pen are important on chainswords

tawny pebble
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I never did quite get how to use Disrupt Destiny

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I've tried but never got the hang of it

rigid sky
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Perks and blessings fixable?

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idk what to aim for

tawny pebble
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Maybe I'm just too slow of a shot to get my marked targets before the team does lol

cosmic sigil
upper sun
rigid sky
cosmic sigil
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no zealot chat actually

upper sun
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but they polly dont know about gaze and DD

rigid sky
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This is mostly a horde clear and crusher killer for me if possible

cosmic sigil
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it is where all the nerds are

upper sun
rigid sky
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Zealot chat is for helldivers

upper sun
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i never get an answer there

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vet ogryn psyker helpful

cosmic sigil
upper sun
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i was talking about vet

cosmic sigil
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so let's peak chainsword

crude vortex
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Zealot chat is for when you're feeling quirky. It has the most mentions of mayo, mayonnaise, sharts, and yaoi

cosmic sigil
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rampage shred is nice

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especially on the 4 where you will proce rampage with the heavies

upper sun
# rigid sky Zealot chat is for helldivers

Mark IV
Savage Sweep + Rampage
Wrath + Rampage
Bloodletter + Rampage / Savage Sweep / Wrath

Mark XIII
Wrath + Rampage

Flak + Elite / Maniac allows for faster breakpoints on Elites/Specialists. Elite is preferred for non-bleed setups.
Flak + Unyielding: General increase in boss damage for either setup.

The Mark IV:
Savage Sweep + Rampage: Horde damage with heavy sweeps. Mediocre Rev attacks.
Wrath + Rampage: Similar to the previous combo, but for lazy people who just light spam.
Bloodletter: Extra damage for revs that can oneshot Maulers/Bulwarks, also kills Mutants/Ragers faster.
The Mark XIII:
Uses Wrath to build up cleave as it struggles to proc Savage Sweep.

upper sun
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from their guide

rigid sky
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ooh

crude vortex
tawny pebble
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I don't

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And I'm 50/50 on whether I want to

cosmic sigil
upper sun
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i would keep rampage and flak and change infested and the other perk

cosmic sigil
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that should be changed

upper sun
cosmic sigil
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that's bad

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like very bad

upper sun
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the bleed isnt as good on vet

cosmic sigil
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because you want cleave and crits

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bleed is bad, period

upper sun
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they dont have piety

cosmic sigil
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you don't take crits for piety only

crude vortex
cosmic sigil
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you take crits because on the chword it is busted

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there's no adm falloff

rigid sky
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So to boost its antitrash it's sweep and rampage I want then

upper sun
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well you get crit from gaze

crude vortex
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57% of all mentions of mayo, 47% of all mentions of mayonnaise, forgot the exact stats of yaoi and sharts but also the highest

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who here has a good duelist sword build

upper sun
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our guide says "Rev it Up, Bloodletter"

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i dont agree with that tbh

cosmic sigil
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pygex has opinions

cosmic sigil
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because rampage has cleave, it's x power

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and power is cleave, stagger and dmg

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tooltip is wrong

rigid sky
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Sweep isn't worth it you're saying?

cosmic sigil
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so rampage shred is good but the best way to milk those crits is with shred +ss/wrath

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in your case i would keep rampage

upper sun
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maybe Devastating Strike?

cosmic sigil
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and change the second perk

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dev strik is not good

rigid sky
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It had devastating strike, I just took it off for sweep lmao

upper sun
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yeah i would keep rampage and flak

rigid sky
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I'm just thinking about what to do with the infested perk

cosmic sigil
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it's less cleave on a crit

upper sun
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that we can all agree on at least

cosmic sigil
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i would go elite

rigid sky
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I mean I might try this once and then go back to my illisi idk lol

upper sun
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yeah elite or maniac seem good for the second perk

rigid sky
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So, elites is all ogryn, gunners, shotgunners, ragers and maulers

upper sun
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yeah everything that isnt a disabler

cosmic sigil
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i think you'll oneshot the mutie and the rager with a rev and no maniac

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to be confirmed

rigid sky
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I'll try elites and see if I can then

cosmic sigil
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but you should be close

rigid sky
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Keeping the mutant one-shot with DD/SG on would really help

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If I could make it consistent then it'd be worth the +maniac

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but still, first chainsword from Brunt, and Hadron makes it perfect immediately

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what the actual fuck

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I think I have to join the admech now

tawny pebble
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what do augmetics do to us psykers?

upper sun
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shut off switch in case we go crazy

upper sun
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bruh

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emperor gifts save so much time

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this was like 2 weeks worth of work for 1 brick

halcyon gust
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Might as well keep it just in case

magic kayak
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finally figured out what my teammates always seem to run

errant pawn
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Five damage

magic kayak
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its the only explanation lol

upper sun
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even if the dump stats is damage

lyric burrow
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Ill throw away stuff ill never use although it might be time to clear out stuff im holding onto in case changes come cause my mourningstar is lagging

upper sun
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im still keeping my 40 hammers

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and 40 more

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until i fucking get thrust 4

lyric burrow
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I got very lucky with hammers

upper sun
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also

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the fucking game doesnt have icons for weapons

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it loads the actual model of the weapon

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swedish optimization

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yeah lets model the teeth of npcs in simcity or w/e the game was called

cosmic sigil
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ps://steamcom

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what????

upper sun
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whats the issue

spice veldt
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coherency regen is disabled when an enemy is in a slot
when an enemy dies, they do not immediately leave the slot, and they stay depending on how long it takes for their death animation to finish

halcyon gust
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That can be a issue depending on the build

lyric burrow
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Tldr regen is wildly inconsistent even when it is in play

halcyon gust
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Most builds have a few skills that gives them natural toughness Regen so a lot of that only really effects lower level players where they may lack those skills

cosmic sigil
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well i took tg regen perks on curios because it supposedly fasten toughness_regen_delay_multiplier

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i may not have understood correctly that mechanic

halcyon gust
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I took mine off because it wasn't really being that useful when you have skills that lets you keep yourself generally topped up on Toughness and went for other things

upper sun
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idk i take toughness+combat ability and whatever resistance i can get

halcyon gust
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I do Gunner resistance + Toughness/Health (Depending on curio) and whatever 3rd stat I get

lyric burrow
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Yeah i run 3x toughness/health/gunner res

upper sun
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i wish i could test out toughness regen on my zealot

harsh urchin
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but toughness regen is just not particularly good unfortunately except on ogryn

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due to the amount ogryn can stack

cosmic sigil
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i am going back to gunner resist then

lyric burrow
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Also the one time ogryn cant get all his toughness back on accident is out of melee

cosmic sigil
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ogryn be like: tanking crushers and dying from a poxwalker scratch

halcyon gust
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More death by shooter chip damage

cosmic sigil
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that too

halcyon gust
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Most damage I take as Ogryn that isn't because of unlucky pin by a Dog or getting trapped by a trapper is just shooter fodder

cosmic sigil
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same

upper sun
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well they are big targets KEKW_ogryn

cosmic sigil
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it's maddening when a team is not taking care of shooters and just melee the non problematic horde

halcyon gust
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Makes me like the shield taunt to force those shooters into ogryn hugging range

jovial juniper
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Or the sniper to kick air

royal marlin
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Hey guys, I'm relatively newer to the game, and rushed several characters to 30 and now sorting them out. My veteran and zealot are feeling really good now, and struggling on psyker... I've been running assail to clear out anything smaller, and using a voidstrike staff to hit big guys. The staff doesn't have bad stats but feels too weak. What kind of builds/loadouts should I be looking at, any tips?

cosmic sigil
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too weak oO

cosmic sigil
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could you share your build?

upper sun
harsh urchin
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the most consistent and strongest IMO I would suggest surge with warp charges, crit voidstrike and fire trauma

lyric burrow
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Yeah those are the 2 big ones

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I also like DD for surge void, namely for true aim

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However dd is a bit less beginner friendly

royal marlin
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I don't know if there is a better way to screenshot that

harsh urchin
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tl;dr is

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assail EP was already weak

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but it got nerfed again

royal marlin
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assail is considered weak?

harsh urchin
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I would suggest assail DD with voidstrike

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if that's what you're into

royal marlin
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I was wondering that, but it was really great while leveling at lower difficulties. I run level 3 now, and on high intensity or shocktroops it gets rough

harsh urchin
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yeah it pretty much can only clear trash now

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in the higher difficulties

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since weaving uncanny was removed

royal marlin
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okay, so what's EP vs DD?

harsh urchin
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ep is enhanced psionics, dd is disrupt destiny

royal marlin
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okay, so assail is still okay if you use it with the other keystone?

harsh urchin
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assail is ok with either keystone

cosmic sigil
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this is my critvoid build

fair spruce
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verdict on buy?

cosmic sigil
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well the perks...

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nevertheless i would change flesh tearer for uncanny and change wp dmg

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at least infested will help with the horde clear i think

halcyon gust
# fair spruce

Those be some cursed weapons from the extended weapon custiomization mod

harsh urchin
fair spruce
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I've only used a knife a couple times, and so long ago I'm pretty sure it was before the talent revamp

royal marlin
cosmic sigil
fair spruce
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shift+windows key+s will immediately let you snip your desktop

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display

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and ctrl v will paste it here

halcyon gust
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There's also a ingame mod that lets you compress your skill tree for easy screenshot purposes

fair spruce
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it's saved in your pictures/screenshots folder

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that's not really what you asked but I always put that out there to build awareness

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thanks guys big man out

royal marlin
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my whole build doesn't fit on my screen though, so screenshot doesn't help a ton

halcyon gust
royal marlin
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so is voidstrike staff good or should I be going with something different?

harsh urchin
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ok

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so it's good

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but psyker is kinda tricky

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as a class

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because your build actually needs to be somewhat cohesive

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you can't just take a random weapon into missions and expect to perform well

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for example, for voidstrike; there's 2 main builds out there

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there's flurry-transfer, where you utilize warp flurry and transfer peril to have infinite peril and spam attacks super fast nonstop

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and there's nexus-surge, where you use warp nexus and surge to basically one-shot everything with crits

royal marlin
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it doesn't seem like it does near enough damage on the big bulwarks and crushers and monstrosities, is the crit build strong enough to do big damage on those?

harsh urchin
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yeah it oneshots crushers

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and can perma stagger lock plague ogryn and chaos spawn

royal marlin
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whoa really? okay let me look at those...

harsh urchin
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but you do need a proper build and a properly crafted weapon

royal marlin
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yeah, I just got my veteran into gear I'm happy with for now, and vet is close

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so i can start putting a bit of resources into getting something decent

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that's my current one

harsh urchin
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here's what a crit vs looks like:

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flurry vs

royal marlin
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so if I'm running assail, I really want the crit one for big targets right? the warp flurry would be better if I had the head popper power or something?

main wyvern
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does purgatus +25% damage to x perks buff soulblaze damage?

hollow current
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assail is good for taking out spread out shooters which the voidstrike can struggle with.

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It does. It goes away if you swap weapons tho.

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whatever weapon you have out is what damage gets buffed.

near bobcat
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It feels like crit chance goes up the longer a shot is charged with void strike

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What IS the base crit chance for the staff?

still hearth
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5%

wind spruce
wind spruce
wind spruce
still hearth
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Sure, but base crit is 5%

wind spruce
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No it's not lol

still hearth
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???

wind spruce
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Psyker crit is 7.5%

still hearth
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I mean I haven't played in a while but it was 5% when I played.

lyric burrow
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it is 7.5

wind spruce
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It changed about 6 months ago when patch 13 dropped

still hearth
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Damn

lyric burrow
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cause more peril is being built

wind spruce
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True enough, but I still think it's more likely to be a cognitive bias

lyric burrow
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yeah prob

near bobcat
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yeah probs just me thinking too hard

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idk i shouldn't be getting crits as often as i do with this dumb staff

lyric burrow
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psyker just crits a lot

spice veldt
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alas, you have put more thought into crits than fatshark has

lyric burrow
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surely crits should do 35 things

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and we should also give one weapon no crit fall off for some reason

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and some with weirdly distributed crit falloff

spice veldt
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175% UNYIELDING ADMS ON CRIT BABEEEEEEE

lyric burrow
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is that knife

spice veldt
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hngnahbghaghghghggh

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yes

lyric burrow
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wait how does it get up to 175%

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is that like

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duellist

spice veldt
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on crit, knife stab heavies get 115% flak, 150% maniac, and 175% unyielding

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no, that's straight up the knife by default

lyric burrow
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wait by default

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fucking

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what

spice veldt
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for some insane reason

lyric burrow
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bro

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no wonder you were getting that absurd damage on the cspawn

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with knife

spice veldt
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yeah that explains my 4-5k crit weakspots on unyielding

lyric burrow
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maybe knife good after all

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great now i want to play darktide

spice veldt
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tragic

lyric burrow
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but nobodys on and im sleepy

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so i will probably sleep

spice veldt
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eep

lyric burrow
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you eep

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i think your sleep schedule is worse than mine

spice veldt
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n

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nuh uh

lyric burrow
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this leads to a dark road arco

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well ok 8:24 is a fair time to not sleep

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oh wait i needed to check if i had a good mk4 lasgun on psyker

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i think i do

torpid girder
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can't wait to queue into 3 other psykers ๐Ÿ‘€

cosmic sigil
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I am a MK 2 stan now.

frail harness
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Is Maniac fine? Or should I take Flak? or Elites?

rich spindle
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that scab only

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bru

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everyone bringing like columnus and cleaver

torpid girder
#

GOD i loveee melee maelstroms

#

we are normal and can be trusted with soulblaze

rich spindle
#

jealous

#

i experienced only pain teams

torpid girder
#

the solution is to run an overpowered anti-melee build to carry the rest of the team >:D

rich spindle
rich spindle
rich spindle
frail harness
#

Alright I'll try that and compare it to flak. TY!

austere crest
#

unyielding best yee, bc were already strong, it doesnt take much to have great breakpoints

#

on my owwnnnnnn

potent echo
#

It will let you 1shot* shotgunners
*Surge damage varies from shock to shock, so you might need perfect timing and warp rider to round out the edge cases

#

The other one can be anything really, maniac/crit/cara(only affects crushers)

frail harness
#

I would very much like to delete shotgunner packs

potent echo
#

You kill one shotgunner per shock so it's decent, esp when combined with perilous combustion

rich spindle
#

does anyone know a significant breakpoint for surge staff damage % roll

#

difference between 60 ish and 80% is like 50 damage

potent echo
#

I think it doesn't show the rmb damage, but I don't know the BP, can check with loadout monitor mod

rich spindle
#

cool

#

It seems like warp resist is the most important for surge

#

so you can fish for crits longer

ivory path
#

The Emperor wont stop giving me lasguns siblings

#

Is it some sort of sign?

#

and theyre all terrible

plucky flax
hollow current
#

unarmored/infested for the horde clear

paper loom
#

what blessings are best for a shredder auto pistol?

radiant frigate
wind spruce
ember solstice
#

Dam

#

Tbf Iโ€™m running gun psyker

#

Iโ€™m probably more dps than single shot

radiant frigate
#

not too fond of gun psyker personally

#

very fond of voidstrike

ember solstice
#

I just like the drip that goes with it

radiant frigate
#

but more than that i am fond of illisi

ember solstice
#

Not mine but point stands

#

I like this outfit more than normal guardsman armor

radiant frigate
#

ah, so you want Gunโ„ข but you don't want the guardsman look?

#

so you landed on gun psyker

#

what about zealot though

ember solstice
#

Zealot might check out soon actually

#

Mainly because of that one shot hammer thing

rigid sky
rigid sky
radiant frigate
#

idk i think 25% close damage is pretty good too

radiant frigate
rigid sky
#

Yeah, it's really preference I think

#

Gunker's fragile as shit

#

voidstrike has better personal defense

radiant frigate
#

not the reason i bring voidstrike but sure

rigid sky
#

Voidstrike's not the best on that front either but miles better than gun for it

radiant frigate
#

most of my "tankiness" comes from illisi anyway

rigid sky
#

I love them both

radiant frigate
#

so to me there is little difference in fragility

rigid sky
#

Although trying out the mark IV chainsword for gunker has been pretty fun

#

It's also a difference in ult

radiant frigate
#

gunker might actually be a little tankier with the 20% tdr during ult

rigid sky
#

In that direct sense yes. It also generates peril constantly which helps with toughness generation

#

you can deal with chips more easily like that

#

but void tends to want to take venting shriek which is more of an active defense and better for stopping you from getting actively overwhelmed

#

or bubble which is the ultimate anti-chip

#

(but preferably shriek)

#

(as far as I can tell)

#

shriek is also a big chunk of toughness through quietitude and then soulstealer

cosmic sigil
#

ok i tried kinetic resistance + shriek + ep

#

i am a fan

rigid sky
#

Kinetic Resonance maybe?

cosmic sigil
#

indeed

rigid sky
#

Yeah, it's a real trip

#

I do that with bubble on my trauma build

#

Last game I took it to the team had the close range and horde clear mostly covered

#

and had shit-all for long range

#

so I was our team's pretty much only anti-ranged-elite/special

#

and it was karkin glorious

cosmic sigil
rigid sky
#

What ranged are you taking?

#

no soulstealer is a bit sus

cosmic sigil
#

it was my first try so i went revolver

#

and claw

rigid sky
#

I probably wouldn't pair revolver with brain rupture, they kinda do the same job

#

but that does make sense why you wouldn't take soulstealer with it

cosmic sigil
#

yeah but i knew i could rely on them if anything happened

rigid sky
#

Glad you found something that worked for you either way :)

#

I only play gunker if I can take all the silly multiplicative damage boosts but I guess revolvers don't really need them since they meet all kinds of breakpoints just by existing

cosmic sigil
#

tbh honest the revolver is nice when you can to dispatch something quick and don't want to wait too long

cosmic sigil
#

there's one advantage that br has over the rev

#

no suppression

rigid sky
#

no reloading too

#

just a tiny bit of quell

#

I feel like that'd work pretty well with the other two blitzes too actually

cosmic sigil
#

does kr start when scryer end?

wind spruce
hasty geyser
#

hello
just wanted to share this silly sword i rolled some time ago

#

i currently use this on my venting screech build to push my wildfire damage beyond the poxwalkers breakpoint

upper sun
#

yeah quick peril build can also be good for one with the warp

halcyon gust
#

And juicing up Unstable Power to jsut cleave through crowds and any unlucky elites in the group

hasty geyser
#

fr, feels like a heavy sword when its all buffed up

#

love it

cosmic sigil
hasty geyser
#

infested meets the wildfire breakpoint on my soulblaze damage for poxwalkers

#

groaners/poxwalkers was just unlucky

#

im sure you could imagine getting 11% in an odd dump stat is rather difficult lol

hasty geyser
#

very specialised build

#

in fire reborn or pyschic vampire is pure preference

trim arch
#

yeah

#

that thing fucks

cosmic sigil
#

i have a lower one, like 5 warp resist but with deflector locked

hasty geyser
#

same

#

v unfortunate, i have always hated deflector

upper sun
#

"Following this, we are working on an overhaul of our current itemisation process. With the new system we want to remove a lot of the unpredictable grind that came from an RNG heavy system whilst giving players more agency and a steady manner to progress toward specific loadouts, blessings, and stats refinement."

cosmic sigil
#

ohhh

hasty geyser
#

mfw i already have 1 or more of every item with ideal stats

upper sun
#

i spent 2-3 weeks grinding for a deimos that does exactly 3980 damage to a mutie on second heavy

potent echo
#

PATCH NEWS

tiny island
#

Im just glad theyre removing the rng lol

lyric burrow
#

Removing the rng just in time for me to not need to interact with the crafting system anymore

vestal fulcrum
lyric burrow
#

New weapons tho

upper sun
#

:))))))))))))))))))))

tiny island
halcyon gust
#

It's a good start to making Crafting less pain

upper sun
#

so thats about 800 hours?

#

yeah reducing the grind will make people actually use other builds more

lyric burrow
#

Yeah it took me about 1200 hours to be done with crafting

#

In terms of having everything

spice veldt
#

i'm hopeful of not needing 1000 items in my inventory because i can't be assed to clean it up and to keep weapons "just in case"

upper sun
#

i have zero incentive to play vet or ogryn because i really dont wanna put in the time for them

tiny island
upper sun
#

zealot is cheap psyker is fun

upper sun
spice veldt
#

i did the pro gamer move of switching to the other classes once i racked up a bunch of hours on psyker so i just had a bunch of money and mats to splurge

upper sun
#

ye same

#

i just played psyker for a while and camped the store for everything else

#

I dont even play vet but this baby is beautiful

lyric burrow
#

So only 3 classes for me, and i dont use every weapon on the other classes

#

At least vet

upper sun
#

yeah that too the class spesific weapons are the best

cosmic sigil
#

i play 4 classes and i try to use a lot of different weapons lol

#

except on zealot, i am bolter only now

supple sedge
#

What...

potent echo
#

it still staggers even if it doesnt die lol

upper sun
#

so even with a little peril should do it

#

but still

cosmic sigil
#

On my zealot I am a few points away from oneshotting a dreg rager with a parry...(No stacks) ๐Ÿ˜ฆ my vet can do it all day ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

upper sun
untold niche
#

fs love vet more. cope seethe mald

supple sedge
#

Give you one chance since i like you sparkhead

upper sun
upper sun
supple sedge
untold niche
#

what clad say

#

tell me ulgo

#

me me give rations

#

1 week

#

if you tell

#

rations + soup of the day

supple sedge
upper sun
#

nuh uh

supple sedge
#

No lying to Ulgo little one

#

Traitor lie. You no traitor?

upper sun
#

NUH UHHHH

supple sedge
untold niche
#

bro
vet/oggie > psyker > zeal

upper sun
#

i agree but switch psyker and zealot

potent echo
#

ew

lucid flicker
#

psyker > psyker > psyker > psyker

(this team has terrible composition)

supple sedge
#

Agreed no ogryn

lucid flicker
#

true!

rigid sky
#

I love 'em all

#

just so long as you don't play like a heretic

supple sedge
#

Agreed! Let ulgo get ammo!

lucid flicker
#

AMMO CRAETE

supple sedge
#

MEDI- MADEKI- MEDI- MEDICAE

potent echo
#

operation medic bag

supple sedge
#

AAAAHH ULGO NEED A MAKEDI- MEDIKI- MAKEDI- MEDICAE

untold niche
#

dead on arrival

#

this is one of those games i hope its popular so i can actually play

#

not death spiral into no one playing

#

so sad

fossil snow
#

240ish people and you can't whip up 3 others for a mission?

untold niche
#

mi-mission? 3 others?

fossil snow
#

Something issue

untold niche
fossil snow
#

Oh oh wait

#

I thought you were doing the DT steam chart thing

#

My contrition

untold niche
dusk void
fossil snow
#

Psyker can't have over 600 health

upper sun
untold niche
#

hardest actually :v (for me)

upper sun
#

zealot is great crazy movespeed and unkillable

#

ez plasteel hunting

lyric burrow
#

Zealots pretty cracked ye

#

Although i think psyker has absurd damage

#

I mean all classes do atm

supple sedge
#

Ogryn unstoppable!

untold niche
#

yoshi, since you are here, couldi ask you to confirm kjerads answer in #zealot-class <3

jovial juniper
#

The thing about zealots is that we learn the melee aspect of the game, while vets and psykers won't properly experience it because they kill things too fast or from far away

untold niche
jovial juniper
cinder moon
#

zealot is powerful, but you can't manage large crowds basically at all without using obscene amount of ammo or most/all of your grenades

#

end up kiting for a long time in the event of your teammates going down

jovial juniper
#

While true, Ironhelm and Mk15 evis will help them thin the horde if we're talking about the melee

cinder moon
#

vet's a lot easier to do it with if you have a plasma and grenade regen (though movement sucks). ogryn's a lot easier to do it with if you have bull charge/a shield. psyker's insanely easier to do it with unless you're challenging yourself with some weird loadout

broken carbon
#

yes you can

#

evis can easily manage hordes

#

thammer can just stagger them into non issues

#

though it takes a minute to kill the horde

cinder moon
#

thammer ain't gonna do it with an auric mixed horde

broken carbon
#

it still has high stagger

cinder moon
#

on single target ๐Ÿ˜‚

broken carbon
#

normal heavies stagger im pretty sure everything except ogryns

#

or if you run ironhelm then you just kill them through the horde

supple sedge
#

No Ulgo staggers ogryn with slap

broken carbon
#

how strong is Ulgo's slap

supple sedge
#

Pushed plague ogryn off platform!

broken carbon
#

Ulgo sure is strong

#

can Ulgo pull my marriage back together

cinder moon
#

adroitly done, hefty associate

jovial juniper
# broken carbon ???

The part that mentions the ammo consumption, flamers and bolters tend to eat those

supple sedge
broken carbon
#

if you use them right

jovial juniper
#

Crucis is the single target, Ironhelm is the equivalent to psword/Illisi but without losing the single target damage, hitting one of the big boys will stop your cleaving through the horde

lofty sluice
#

Siblings why do I hear laughing?

jovial juniper
broken carbon
#

huh

#

thats not really an issue

#

it either kills or staggers whatever it procs on

#

it can be an issue against rager packs but

#

other than that

jovial juniper
#

The issue is that you're vulnerable when recovering from the strike

supple sedge
#

Ulgo staggers them for you boss!

broken carbon
#

does Ulgo do cannonballs into enemy hordes

supple sedge
#

Yes!

#

Push them too!

broken carbon
#

what if i threw Ulgo really hard at a crusher

supple sedge
#

Not need! Ulgo kill crusher already!

broken carbon
#

what if i threw Ulgo really hard at Captain Wolfer

supple sedge
#

Ulgo Kill Him!!!

jovial juniper
rigid sky
supple sedge
#

Then Ulgo look at him and say

rigid sky
#

Also Crusher seems to have much better horde clear than it really should

supple sedge
rigid sky
#

idk if it's just knocking everything down and I'm not noticing they're still alive though lol

rigid sky
cinder moon
rigid sky
#

I like running Fury of the Faithful + Blazing Piety on it

#

but there's lots of ways

supple sedge
#

Ulgo need images. Not remmember then

rigid sky
cinder moon
#

and how's your ammo after that

lapis violet
#

how's EP + smite?

rigid sky
#

Just fine since I'm only shooting the ragers or long-range guys I can't reach

#

and crushers tbf

#

(crushers take 2 bullets iirc)

vestal fulcrum
lapis violet
#

gucci

cinder moon
vestal fulcrum
#

Nothing to sneeze at, but it still locks you into place and makes for a relatively boring way to kill a lot of enemies

rigid sky
#

Think Smite's best use is to stall while building up a Venting Shriek really

vestal fulcrum
#

EP also makes Smite spread quicker, for what itโ€™s worth

vestal fulcrum
rigid sky
#

Venting Shriek is one of the best psyker tools overall

cinder moon
#

EP smite comes into its own when your teammates are worthless at horde dispatch

jovial juniper
#

It also sucks with Gaze

cinder moon
#

lmao

#

it would only work for like 2 seconds before you're at max peril

rigid sky
#

if you're running gaze and smite together

broken carbon
rigid sky
#

well, don't hit smite while you're gazing lol

#

Also on the heavy sword, yeah, the H1 is enough to kill anything smaller than an ogryn or a mauler iirc

#

And the subsequent heavies are great horde clearers

#

the horizontal sweep spam

broken carbon
#

the hs6? i think is also pretty good for single target

rigid sky
#

you can sometimes kill a mutant with a horizontal heavy too

broken carbon
#

with slightly weaker horde clear

#

its the one josho used in that one clip of massacring like 400 ragers

#

@lunar hollow

rigid sky
#

light swings are mostly to stagger and to try to build up crit CDR quickly

broken carbon
#

was it the hs6

lunar hollow
#

the 7

#

but theyre basically identical weapons with different attack orders

broken carbon
#

ah

#

hooray!

rigid sky
#

Attack sequence is a big deal though

#

I think the IX has the most convenient sequence but idk

#

haven't actually played with the VI or VII, I just looked at the sequence in the inspect and was like "nope"

lunar hollow
#

it's an almost inconsequential difference that largely comes down to what you think feels better

broken carbon
#

like

#

the illisi says the lights are all assasin, which are single target finesse

#

when they all have really high cleave

#

so

rigid sky
#

are the 6 and 7 just mirrors of each other or something?

#

like with the bully club I and II?

broken carbon
#

probably

lunar hollow
#

zealot has one of the strongest CC weapons in the game in the form of the crusher

#

which is fairly close to a trauma staff in terms of just shutting off enemies within a certain radius of you

cinder moon
#

i'm not going to take what the 1% can do as indicative of what a class can or can't do

lunar hollow
#

you don't have to have any skill at all to CC stuff with a crusher

#

that's one of the least skill reliant parts of the weapon by far

cinder moon
#

accessibility is a big part of a class' perceived power

lunar hollow
#

if you're basing your judgement off solo clutching you would assume classes can't do it in 90% of situations

#

this is an incoherent way of measuring things

broken carbon
cinder moon
#

i haven't played malice or heresy besides once a month with an IRL buddy who is too newb to play damn+

rigid sky
#

A lot comes down to weapon choice

cinder moon
#

even in damnation most players are incapable of utilizing their class' top end

rigid sky
#

if you see a bunch of knife zealots, don't be surprised that they aren't the fastest horde clearers

#

they aren't aiming to be

#

if you see somebody with a heavy sword struggling with crowds though then they just suck

#

(or are having a bad game whatever)

lunar hollow
#

like with a crusher all this gets staggered

cinder moon
#

my point stands; psyker's clutch ability is easily accessible, ogryn's is second most accessible, vet and zealot require a LOT of work

rigid sky
#

Psyker clutch is so fragile though

lunar hollow
#

ogryn is dogshit in a ton of solo clutch situations because your toughness regen is 90% melee reliant and you have awful mobility/dodge stats

rigid sky
#

I really don't think they're the best at it, a bad melee hit and they're donezo

#

Zealot's universally considered the best clutch class

lunar hollow
#

i would rate it the worst solo class by far

rigid sky
#

Until Death is crazy good

lunar hollow
#

shield is terrible for solo lmfao

#

awful dodges

cinder moon
#

that's what bull rush is for

rigid sky
#

That'll save you from the trappers clown_hadron

broken carbon
lunar hollow
#

not in the slightest. unlike chastise bullrush won't stop projectiles from hitting you

rigid sky
lunar hollow
#

ogryn has the worst time out of the classes solo vs specials

broken carbon
#

if you play it right clutches can be kind of easy

lunar hollow
#

it's way more awkward

rigid sky
#

It can be done yeah

broken carbon
#

i feel like ive clutched the most as gunker

rigid sky
#

I just mean to say, it's less natural at it than a zealot

#

Zealot is the easiest to clutch on by far

cinder moon
lunar hollow
#

zealot has roughly equivalent survivability depending on what you go down more to, and significantly more mobility

broken carbon
#

had a match a few days ago where i had to clutch three times in hishock

#

which was absolute agony

#

was really fun though

rigid sky
#

I do wonder how it would do if crit CDR gets nerfed though

lunar hollow
#

being fast and regenerating toughness when you need to are the highest priorities for soloing stuff, ogryn is just not great in those departments in a lot of situations

#

relying on an ult to make up for these weaknesses also poses the problem that cooldowns exist

broken carbon
#

also ogryns having subpar long range options makes snipers an issue

#

the amount of times ive seen ogryns get sniped

lunar hollow
#

so regardless of how efficient you are at using that ult it's never going to be nearly enough to close the gap vs human classes

broken carbon
#

once again humans on top

upper sun
lunar hollow
#

all of the zealot keystones are just stupid atm

upper sun
#

like bruh

#

what is this

#

and why is it next to this trash

broken carbon
#

it really feels like every option is valuable

#

well

#

almosst every

#

but with psyker i have a spare 3-4 points that i dont really need

#

that i just put into side stuff that somewhat helps

upper sun
#

i feel like i need one point

broken carbon
#

well

lunar hollow
#

psyker's tree is incompatible with a lot of the design philosophy the trees feel like theyre supposed to follow

broken carbon
#

its more 2-3 points

lunar hollow
#

there's not enough distinct builds and meaningful point tradeoffs to make

broken carbon
#

exactly

#

like

#

the second layer in zealots tree is really good overall

lunar hollow
#

the attempt was to make a mix-n-match wizard guy who blurs the lines a lil bit so u can pick the powers u find are cool but in the end there's weird exclusive pathing and not enough talents in the middle of the tree

broken carbon
#

but with psyker you get locked out of so many things

#

yeah

rigid sky
lapis violet
#

is there any point to doing left click smite?

rigid sky
#

Because with DD or WS I struggle for points

broken carbon
#

DD is too inconsistent for me

#

and warp siphon is kinda boring

rigid sky
#

EP is so cheap

lapis violet
#

dd is fun. it's like a secondary ping for me

#

like. "focus this guy and you not only weaken the horde but also get rewarded with stats!"

rigid sky
#

I only really use WS for Shriek spam

broken carbon
#

the warp flows through me!

lapis violet
#

what with this damned penance

broken carbon
#

oh that one will suck witht he new patch

#

are you new to the game?

lapis violet
#

me? not really

broken carbon
#

oh

#

it was so much easier with old psyker

lapis violet
#

only played for maybe 2.5 months though

broken carbon
#

wait

#

so is that before or after patch 13

lapis violet
#

3-ish hours a day tho

broken carbon
#

when skill trees came out

lapis violet
#

well the new trees were out already

broken carbon
#

ah

#

yeah

#

that penance used to be fairly easy

#

because you would get siphon charges on brainburst

#

on any enemy

#

but now its percentage based

#

so

#

good luck lmao

lapis violet
#

the key to that is to tell teammates to leave elites alive

cinder moon
jovial juniper
#

Purgatus, left side of the tree

broken carbon
lapis violet
#

it's guaranteed

broken carbon
#

ohh

lapis violet
#

and elites are basically everywhere

broken carbon
#

true

#

i dont ever use it so

#

yah

lapis violet
#

these two are percentage based

cinder moon
#

but you have to take warp siphon to get them, so

#

it's not 300s consecutively, it's cumulative, so it's reasonably doable if you're playing that side of the tree

jovial juniper
#

Fire reborn, purgatus, hi int

lapis violet
#

i mean, as i said. the key to doing this nowadays is to do a purgatus staff+in fire reborn and ask teammates to not kill elites

#

i might try auric purgatus when i come back from work

cinder moon
#

psychic vampire works if you don't want to use purgatus

#

just have to stay in coherency

lapis violet
#

lower chance

broken carbon
#

but more chances

lapis violet
#

does purgatus active damage count as soulblaze?

cinder moon
#

4% for every kill between you and your teammates > 10% just your kills

lapis violet
#

because if not then it's better to take vampire anyway

jovial juniper
#

if you don't want to use purgatus

lapis violet
#

I FINALLY GO UNCANNY HOLY MASTER

rigid sky
#

So the old Ascendent Blaze used to be that any target dying with soulblaze on them at all would trigger the chance at a warp charge

jovial juniper
#

Also isn't the tooltip for Warp battery wrong about the threat level

rigid sky
#

So I would imagine that the current In Fire Reborn works the same

#

so long as it's burning, it's a 10% chance or something

#

also if you take purgatus, you're your team's primary hordeclear

cinder moon
rigid sky
#

uh, what? Kinetic flayer doesn't have any particular interaction with warp charges

broken carbon
#

grah why cant the pristine cut for STP be out already

lapis violet
#

ik the perks are horrible but which blessing do i replace with uncanny?

rigid sky
#

and where does wildfire come into that

cinder moon
#

wildfire counts as an attack

rigid sky
#

Ok, and?

lapis violet
#

if (purgatus)

wildfire

rigid sky
#

That's still non sequitur

vestal fulcrum
#

Rampage is good if you want to occasionally kill swarm/make space with the sword

cinder moon
#

if your entire purpose is to keep up warp charges, wildfire ticks will potentially BR elites/specials. it's just insurance

lapis violet
#

nah i like crits too much

#

a lot of synergy

vestal fulcrum
#

And you already have infested perk, so that may have some positive overlap

rigid sky
#

Again, and? I was talking about in fire reborn vs vampire

lapis violet
vestal fulcrum
#

And Shred can be good both against crowds for more frequent crits, and is generally good for stabbing things repeatedly

broken carbon
rigid sky
lapis violet
#

i'm also going to assume i'm switching the sprint eff perk for cara?

cinder moon
#

it literally says it in the tooltip. if you proc kinetic flayer on an elite/special, you get a warp charge

rigid sky
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Kinetic flayer used to let you passively reliably keep charge uptime

cinder moon
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it still does

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it's just not as prevalent

rigid sky
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It used to work on trash too

cinder moon
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i'm not talking about trash

broken carbon
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just killing the elite will give it to you

rigid sky
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That's marginal as shit lmfao

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Whatever

lapis violet
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this is what it literally says in game

cinder moon
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in higher difficulty hordes, it's less marginal

rigid sky
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Flayer enjoyers gonna flay and ignore all the evidence

broken carbon
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i love flayer

cinder moon
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i'm constantly at max warp charges with my KF builds, so

rigid sky
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Cool, me too without KF

rich spindle
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is is nice to have your soulblaze cause a brainburst in a crowd of crushers

lapis violet
rigid sky
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Also I have a rock that prevents chaos space marines from spawning in

lapis violet
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while i enjoy the thought of it, there's basically no world where that happens

rigid sky
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And I've never seen a CSM

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So it must be working

cinder moon
jovial juniper
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Only if kills elite/special

rigid sky
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Yes, I know killing elites and specials give warp charges

broken carbon
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i think u guys r stupid

rigid sky
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You don't get a significant number of those through KF that you wouldn't have already gotten anyway

lapis violet
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yes, if we extrapolate that KF actually waits till wildfire spreads your soulblaze to an elite or a special, you get a charge like instantly

broken carbon
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and should kiss now

lapis violet
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sure

jovial juniper
lapis violet
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but that's almost never happening in an actual game

cinder moon
rigid sky
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The bigger the horde the more likely the proc will be wasted on a poxwalker

lapis violet
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look. i like flayer but this is not really helping its case

rigid sky
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It's best on low horde density, high elite density

lapis violet
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unless the elite/special is at the forefront of the horde, it's getting wasted on a zombie

cinder moon
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if you want to get that penance without constantly using blitz to BR specials, it's the easiest way to do it, even now

rigid sky
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Like it'd be pretty good on the old Elite Resistance modifier

rich spindle
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its good on scab only mostly melee, I think

rigid sky
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Who says you need to BR specials, you can also Voidstrike or Surge them reliably

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But granted

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For this achievement you probably do want purgatus and in fire reborn

jovial juniper
lapis violet
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as i'm not exactly sure if IFR specifically needs it to die to the ticks of soulblaze instead of just the purgatus flame

rigid sky
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If IFR works like it used to when it was Ascendent Blaze

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And I have no idea if it does or not

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Then they just have to die with soulblaze affecting them

jovial juniper
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As someone that used purgatus to achieve that, I'll assume that IFR procs with the flame

lapis violet
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the optimist in me hopes for that to be the case

cinder moon
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like i've been saying, this is one of my builds and i am constantly at max WC without attempting to directly kill specials

lapis violet
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the realist in me knows the way it's easiest to program

rigid sky