psyker-class

[halcyon gust]

35% Penetration is a ouch

[urban hearth]

i think this is the most elites and specials ive ever seen in a regular hi shock lol

[flint aspen]

lmao fuck I actually didn't notice the shit pen

thanks big E

[spice veldt]

yw

[urban hearth]

i hate weapons with 3 or 4 damage stats

almost impossible to get max damage

[plucky flax]

135 plasteels

[brave fiber]

I haven’t seen more than 1500 plasteel in my inventory at once for over a year now

[fathom totem]

It's called gambling addiction.

[urban hearth]

trading all my plasteel to hadron to get her to make me cute dresses

3700 critical hits

https://tenor.com/view/burn-elmo-pyro-burn-it-down-ashes-gif-5632946

[little rapids]

perfect timing (+15% dmg)
warp charges [6] (+24% dmg)
high crit rate from talents and warp nexus as well

if you are not utilizing these 3 your surge might feel weaker

also if you really wanna tryhard you can animation cancel to develop arthritis and increase your dps

i suppose u could also go DD instead of warp charges, i just prefer the latter

and make sure you are thinking about the perks. i use flak and unyielding personally. maniac is also popular. some are kinda useless, like unarmored. some are deceivingly bad, like weakspot/crit damage bonus

correct me if im wrong but i feel like surge kinda requires you to build around it

like if you just pick it up with no stacks and low peril and do 1 charge attack the damage will be pretty low

but with what i mentioned above and the high peril bonuses and crit chance you get you will instakill like everything

i guess thats true with every staff but so noticeable on surge because its singletarget

[untold niche]

every psyker build needs you to have high stacks and high peril anyway

quick qn does surge feed DD stacks?

[little rapids]

yea i realized that while thinking about it

but with surge its probably most noticeable because you lose so many 1 shot breakpoints

[untold niche]

blaze trauma, void, your gunker breakpoints with ds4 and assail

psyker is very build dependent is all.

[obsidian girder]

warp rupture or creeping flames? on a voidstrike staff build

[untold niche]

never take warp rupture

hold on let me send you something

@obsidian girder
orange is majority agreed, exceptions are due to build(e.g. for mind in motion, only take if you need to cross from assail to CDR aura)
or debatable if you know exactly what you are doing.
For DD i would highly encourage taking the 30 second node

if your secondary weapon can weakspot hit, you will want true aim

pygex and arco, would you guys be able to come up with a version of the picture you guys agree on and pin it?
i mean mine is based on what the regulars here say anyway.

Think it will help alot, literally all the i have been able to help are because they took some bullshit node

[hidden crystal]

Hmm, is Kinetic Flayer really considered that awful? The only reason I've had trouble with it is because it's possible to accidentally trigger it when trying to push a poxburster.

[untold niche]

10% 15 second cooldown, i only seen it being argued for purge.
Waste of point

@plucky flax mr agent, you should play with this top 1% psyker build and record the whole game, such a build is only worth for you <3
You get to choose weapon and curio

[plucky flax]

Looks trash.

[untold niche]

no no best build

🐭

[hidden crystal]

With the cooldown, it'd certainly be nice if it only triggered on heavier targets, but I've found it can help somewhat if you are dealing with a conga line of maulers or ragers.

[near wyvern]

Fixed version of the build, reasoning below:

• battle meditation with warp nexus is bad, you want to control the peril level to get max warp nexus stacks

• perfect timing is free 15% damage with nexus void

• assail and void overlap, smite provides you a safe way to deal with bursters from ranged and lock down a crusher or bulwark pack, causing you to have no real weaknesses with your illisi + void setup

• mind in motion is not needed here, learn to sprint slide during channeling and dodge during quelling, not only moves you but makes you immune to ranged as well

• reality anchor is not needed, get the finesse bonus instead, the difference in time is 1 or 2 seconds but in DPS it's huge

• true aim with void is too good to pass out even if you have warp nexus, more crits is more damage and more cleave, and more cleave is more crits...

• quietitude is worth 2x warp expenditure

• soulstealer is too good to pass when using void, makes you tanky af

• warp speed is not really needed here, with void you take a line and try to hold it as long as you can, if you are overwhelmed you should just drop gaze at this point and focus on defense anyways

• perilous combustion is just so strong talent it can be easily picked up with the left over points here

[untold niche]

but yeah i basically tried to path it so that i never get any of the must take nodes and take as many of the bad nodes as possible

I prob should have went mind in motion so you don't even get wilfire.

[plucky flax]

I actually don't troll my team with shit builds.

Funny memes but I can hold my own.

[untold niche]

🐭

im sorry boss

[plucky flax]

[radiant frigate]

the go fast illisi of fire...

it appears once more

[near wyvern]

It's clearly a joke

[plucky flax]

[upper sun]

actually we should make a compilation of our amazing god tier weapons

wheres the guy with The Run n' gun void of zero crit chance?

[last agate]

If running assail with voidstrike staff, if have a boss spawn, is it better to spam right click staff?

[upper sun]

fully charged shots with surge can do a lot of damage and stagger bosses yeah theyre really good

[plucky flax]

Void headshot or use your sword if it's duelling sword.

[untold niche]

ye, more damage. and also void rmb weakspot hit will stagger, very funny

help me think of cool name

I put vacuous false because theres vacuously true

but it seem like a too niche name that only a nerd will come up with

[spice veldt]

don't be afraid

[untold niche]

ok this one sounds better and is also niche

[last agate]

what game is that

[untold niche]

last epoch

it got popular so im playing it again

so sad it got popular so late

smh people normies

[untold niche]

@spice veldt wat you think dood
imo its more fitting since wizards are always seeking to learn

[spice veldt]

either one seems neat

[untold niche]

ye i went with the second one

[plucky flax]

Me I wait for dragon dogma 2

Gonna be a wizard with sword there.

[untold niche]

i tried dd1, the systems and mechanics in place were cool but the game wasn't fun for me, i think due to like the age

the uh

[last agate]

Is brain rupture strong vs bosses?

[untold niche]

go into realm and choose your fighter thing

was quite cool

[plucky flax]

Ye I never played 1

But 2 looks good so I'll play it.

I want to play this stellar blade game too but it's ps5 exclusive

[harsh urchin]

Not really it's pretty middling

Consistent dmg, but not a lot of dmg

[last agate]

Does psyker not really have a good boss dmge setup ?

[untold niche]

kind of remind me of bayonetta, the metal gear spin off and gow games

[harsh urchin]

Ye psyker boss dmg is mostly from melee or gun

[plucky flax]

Yep. Bayonetta for sure.

Grill player character with skimpy outfit.

Nier automata too.

All the weebs love these kind of games. (not me)

[untold niche]

[harsh urchin]

Wait for uhhh beam staff

Coming in 2027

[untold niche]

i want zealot to get buffed

then i can pretend im a good player on zealot as well

[rigid sky]

Columnus Infantry Autogun with SG and DD is almost unbeatable vs bosses

thunder hammers can be faster, that's about it

[wet belfry]

Thunder hammer is a therotical anyways

[untold niche]

vet no beat?

[rigid sky]

Pretty sure the multipliers from SG and DD go higher than what a similar vet can do? Maybe MF/E-Stance/Deadshot CIAG can do better but they gotta really go hard on stamina to not lose the deadshot immediately

[harsh urchin]

Hard to say

Because no multiplier in the game beats tag

Also, grenades and voc for stagger give a lot of dps uptime

[supple sedge]

Can Sparkhead not kill Ulgo horde? Ulgo want to kill heretic

[feral knoll]

If we get a new staff. What the hell could it do lore wise because I dunno Psyker magic shennanigans

[untold niche]

skill shot warp grenade launcher, headshots.

almost no damage on bodyshot

[feral knoll]

Do Psykers have some other kind of element beside lightning and fire though?

[upper sun]

a weapon that gives everyone depression

pure debuff staff zero damage

[untold niche]

is void an element?

genuinely asking

not sure about lore.

[untold niche]

rendingf trauma (badly rolled)

but yeah i would liek a staff that slows

[radiant frigate]

grant us eyes?

[rigid sky]

Maybe that could be a blessing on Purgatus

[radiant frigate]

coldflame purgatus

[rigid sky]

Maybe make it time themed rather than cold

Could put it on void and trauma too maybe

[radiant frigate]

i think that, unfortunately, we already have a time themed thingy

and it is based on making us faster

the warp speed modifier to SG

so i would not expect more

[rigid sky]

Tbh it makes it more feasible rather than less, but I know it's unlikely anyway

[untold niche]

SG but instead of crit chance it gives you slow %

but tbh that doesn't sound very fun/

you have a ult on CD for 30 seconds just to slow for like 10 seconds

[rigid sky]

Nah, screw that

Maybe a modifier node in it which just adds a slow field around you

Since gunker has issues with dying a bit

Would probably make it too easy though

Weapon blessing is probably best way

Small duration slow on crit or something

[hasty valve]

What's the best staff vs specials and elites? Love voidstrike but it's easy to get overrun

[lavish glade]

Traumas always been my favorite

[hasty valve]

What perks and blessings you usally go for?

[rigid sky]

All of them besides Purgatus excel vs specials and elites, just at different ranges

And purgatus is great at them too in the right circumstances

[hasty valve]

My issue with trauma is that they mostly seem to get thrown around but don't die very effectively

I like the purgatus with soul blaze and the 10% bb

But there's no definite staff for elites then?

[hexed geyser]

Surge should kill one on every charged attack. Paired with a horde sword its great

[lavish glade]

I warp flurry and the one that gives britlness

Maybe better combos but its always worked for me

If its hordes of elites etc you prob wont instantly kill them w one blast and will need to rely on team to help if a ton but if its just like one mauler blast and toss then pull out deimos or dueling sword for easy finish

[feral knoll]

Well. We have Purgatus (Fire) and Surge (Lightning) that’s what I meant

[last agate]

Which is the "dead" stat for a purgatus staff?

[radiant frigate]

damage

[last agate]

what?

[rigid sky]

If you want Trauma to be a bit more impactful per blast, try Blazing Spirit / Warp Nexus

[rigid sky]

It's true, Damage does little for Purgatus

[plucky flax]

And warp resist.

[last agate]

what affects the fire strenght then?

[plucky flax]

Your damage amplification from talents and perks.

[near wyvern]

@last agate check The Psyker Atheneum

Answers all your questions and probs a bit more

[rigid sky]

Just your warp damage really. Burn stat allows you to stack faster and higher

Cloud radius very important too, and crit stat (warp nexus and anything you can get from talents, optionally also perk on weapon)

Since crits apply 2 stacks of burn

BTW the random brain rupture talent is kinda bad

[last agate]

whys that

[rigid sky]

Triggers a lot on poxwalkers etc

It was better when brain burst kills always gave a warp charge

Because it let you rapidly passively generate them

[radiant frigate]

i would not say rapidly

but dependably

[rigid sky]

But it's kinda not worth the talent point, especially given how thirsty for points Purgatus builds can be

[radiant frigate]

since the icd was about 10s shorter than warp charge duration

[rigid sky]

Since you usually wanna take warp charges with it

[last agate]

does how long u cxharge the purgatus staff affect dmge or just how long it dsoes flamethrower

[rigid sky]

Pretty sure it's just how long you shoot for

Also LMB has great stagger

And can trigger poxbursters at a much longer range than the usual shove

Very safe

[cinder moon]

kinetic flayer works best in combo with in fire reborn and wildfire

which, if you're using purgatus, why wouldn't you spec those

bb by itself is bad for getting warp charges

[last agate]

So for purgatus then you want good burn, cloud radius, quell speed? and then WR and damage are whatever?

[radiant frigate]

gah

perfectly pushable poxburster just refused to be pushed

sad ending

[jovial juniper]

you just got poxxed on

[radiant frigate]

yes

yes i did

[spice veldt]

bursted with pox

[radiant frigate]

and right before extraction too

poxburster

the burster with the pox

how bad is assail without the extra cleave node

[jovial juniper]

up to 3 targets with cleave

I think

[rigid sky]

Wildfire bad though

It does much less than it seems

[cinder moon]

its entire purpose is to give you warp charges from trash mobs

[rigid sky]

Purgatus gets plenty through in fire reborn already

Wildfire does almost nothing

Usually the creeping flames from Shriek itself is enough to give you at least 4 charges back

[plucky flax]

Me I use wildfire.

[cinder moon]

using shriek dumps your warp charges though

[plucky flax]

And I also use vampire instead of in fire reborn.

[cinder moon]

not a guarantee you'll get WC back if you have to shriek just to keep casting

wildfire is one point and synergizes with the whole thing

[rigid sky]

Never Shriek just to vent unless you fuck up

Shriek is an emergency and a huge damage CD

[cinder moon]

see: "have to"

[manic lagoon]

Spark eds

[rigid sky]

Just gotta avoid getting into that situation lol

[cinder moon]

[rigid sky]

If you play with other abilities you don't have that emergency break

[cinder moon]

you're already going down left side for purgatus/soulblaze builds, what other single point is more valuable than wildfire

[rigid sky]

At least 30 of them.

[cinder moon]

it's a free node

[rigid sky]

It costs a point

[cinder moon]

if you need to pass it up to get something else, odds are it's a weird build to begin with and lacks synergy

[rigid sky]

Nah

[cinder moon]

GOOD point

[plucky flax]

It's okay for wildfire hate.

I'll always take my beloved.

[rigid sky]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9b7a7df9-4c1f-4e7a-a69e-29a55b92f947

[manic lagoon]

Ogryn need pipe and only pipe

[rigid sky]

Here is my build for Purgatus

There are much bigger things I'm sacrificing than just wildfire

@cinder moon

[cinder moon]

empathic evasion lol

[rigid sky]

Why not, I'm critting all over the place

[cinder moon]

what benefit does it provide

[rigid sky]

Avoiding getting my toughness spiked down by gunfire

[cinder moon]

just don't get hit

[rigid sky]

OK, don't take any defensive talent at all then

[spice veldt]

just that shrimple

[cinder moon]

i don't

just dodge

if you really need to avoid gunfire, kinetic deflection + force sword deflector will be more useful

[spice veldt]

except that you can't attack while blocking

[rigid sky]

Can't shoot my purgatus while deflecting

[cinder moon]

if there's gunfire that's bothering you, i really doubt purg will be getting rid of it

[rigid sky]

It won't

That's why evasion is helpful

[spice veldt]

do you understand the concept of having some defensive protection while attacking

[cinder moon]

i just dodge

it's simple

[spice veldt]

yeah and empathic helps with that

[rigid sky]

So I can keep the horde down while the gunners can deal with the shooters

[cinder moon]

there's also level geo that blocks gunfire

[spice veldt]

dodging works p well and empathic evasion helps some more

[rigid sky]

Good to see that you've totally solved the defensive game then

[spice veldt]

yeah and what if you want to push into ranged patrols

instead of just sitting behind cover

[cinder moon]

dodge slide

[rigid sky]

Do you need talent points at all then?

[cinder moon]

let's not reduce to absurdity

[rigid sky]

You first

[spice veldt]

you only get to dodge slide twice with staffs before having to wait 0.85s for them to refresh

empathic evasion is cheap to get

i don't see why you're arguing so hard against it with points that don't even conflict with empathic evasion

[cinder moon]

if you're not able to hit anythign with purgatus, what crits are you getting

[rigid sky]

The next talents I would take if I had extra points are lile

Like

[spice veldt]

BOY I WONDER WHY I'M PUSHING INTO A RANGED PATROL

PERHAPS FOR THEM TO BE IN RANGE OF MY PURG

AND THUS I CAN PROC EMPATHIC

[cinder moon]

at which point, what does empathic evasion do for you

[spice veldt]

HMMM

[rigid sky]

Kinetic deflection, brain rupture speedy thing, toughness on warp gain

[cinder moon]

it's useful when you're approaching, not when you're already there

[rigid sky]

You can't read

[plucky flax]

I take both wildfire and evasion on my purga build. I'm just that good top 1% psyker.

[rigid sky]

I said I can torch the melee enemies while our ranged damage can take care of the shooters

[cinder moon]

that presumes there are melee enemies

[spice veldt]

i mean i can't expect a talent to be universally useful

it's a 1 point investment for some situations

[rigid sky]

And if there aren't then I'm not endangered anyway

[cinder moon]

wildfire is a 1 point investment for more situations

[rigid sky]

Shooters on their own are nothing for psykers

[spice veldt]

with purg?

[rigid sky]

What do you think wildfire actually does lmao

[spice veldt]

like you're free to take wildfire if you want

but that's not an argument against empathic

"why do X when you can do Y" is not an argument in and of itself

[cinder moon]

it's there for the warp charges with in fire reborn, i already said this. if someone can't read, it surely isn't me

[rigid sky]

There are 3-4 points I would rather take that I was forced to miss

Long before Wildfire

[spice veldt]

they didn't ask for the purpose of wildfire; they asked if you knew what it does

[rigid sky]

Because Wildfire does practically nothing for Purgatus.

[spice veldt]

the person who can't read is certainly you

[rigid sky]

It's more useful on Blaze trauma

And even then it's a luxury point

[cinder moon]

wildfire works around walls that block your direct staff attacks

not going to use shriek to apply fire through walls

[spice veldt]

lemme reply with a taste of your own medicine; "what if there are no walls in the section you're fighting in?"

[plucky flax]

Uh dude wildfire did like 30% of my purga damage.

[radiant frigate]

hm

[cinder moon]

still applies further than the range of your staff

[radiant frigate]

surge is kinda comfy actually

[spice veldt]

yeah

i'm not arguing against wildfire

[rigid sky]

I am

[plucky flax]

Surge is op.

[spice veldt]

i'm pointing out that i can say the exact same type of shit as you do against wildfire as you have with empathic

[radiant frigate]

you just zap things

great success

[cinder moon]

false equivalency; empathic isn't offensive and does nothing to directly benefit your damage output

[radiant frigate]

huh

[cinder moon]

it's more situational than wildfire

[radiant frigate]

wha

[rigid sky]

Again, do you know what Wildfire actually does, mechanically speaking?

[radiant frigate]

redistributes a miniscule amount of soulblaze stacks

[spice veldt]

sure it's more situational, but empathic can be more impactful in those situations where it works

[rigid sky]

Do you know about the delay, about the stack cap, about how it distributes then?

[cinder moon]

just don't get into those situations

[rigid sky]

It's so much worse than it sounds like on the description

[spice veldt]

the point is that you have more positional flexibility with empathic

like you are free to not take empathic and play as usual

[rigid sky]

If you are using Purgatus, Wildfire will do nothing for you

It has more impact on other soulblaze sources, which practically just means Blaze Trauma

[spice veldt]

we're not claiming that empathic is an essential talent or anything

i don't get why you're arguing as if we're saying those situations are inavoidable or anything

[rigid sky]

And even then it's just point 30 on an EP build

[orchid shadow]

Not directly, but it can allow you to be more aggressive in your positioning if you're using a high crit weapon, which can mean you can attack more.

[rigid sky]

And yeah, I'm just saying that point in Empathic Evasion is better than anywhere else I could have put it

[cinder moon]

that's not a direct benefit, it's situational

[rigid sky]

The main thing you don't wanna do on Purgatus psyker is stop channelling if there are multiple targets in range

[spice veldt]

yes it is situational

that much has been established

[cinder moon]

wildfire always works

[rigid sky]

Dogmatic

[spice veldt]

survivalist is situational and fire team always works

[rigid sky]

You cling to it like the heretics to their false gods

[cinder moon]

a poxhound be upon ye

[left dagger]

which of the 2 do i pick for trauma Warp Nexus/Flurry, Rending Shockwave?

[rigid sky]

Without seeing that it avails you nothing

[rigid sky]

Nexus and Blazing, or Flurry and Rending

Both constellations rock

[orchid shadow]

Yes, it's situational, but the situation can come up often enough for it to be an impact, especially if you're advancing on gunners. That'll happen a lot.

[left dagger]

kk thanks Rending with FLurry it is then. Nexus Blazing for the crit blaze i assume

[rigid sky]

Exactly

[cinder moon]

at which point, use level geo or deflector

[rigid sky]

Unless you're the frontline and there's still a melee rush approaching you, as is quite common

Level geometry is great, yeah

[cinder moon]

sounds like a positioning issue

[orchid shadow]

You can use both, they're not mutually exclusive. I have a build with both because I like to rush gunners on weaker teams.

[rigid sky]

But it's not always so helpful

Again, getting shot at happens

[cinder moon]

meanwhile wildfire is literally always doing work

[rigid sky]

Being able to avoid hunkering down

[rigid sky]

The chant continues

[cinder moon]

this is 40k, chanting is necessary

[rigid sky]

Being able to avoid hunkering down and keep the fire wall up will be a lot more valuable than Wildfire distributing a paltry number of stacks around

[cinder moon]

The chant continues

[plucky flax]

Just take both bruhs.

[rigid sky]

Can't afford it

There's 3-4 other things I'd take first if I had extra points

Warp charge builds are too goddamn expensive lol

[plucky flax]

I don't take 6 warp charges on my purga build.

[rigid sky]

Yeah, I question how necessary 6 is too

[plucky flax]

I spam it for stagger more than waiting for 83% peril.

[rigid sky]

But I reach 6 charges more often than not

I try to edge peril more when it's ready

[plucky flax]

Just cos stuff die anyway with 15 stacks. So I just want to get it there asap.

[rigid sky]

6 is a good breakpoint though

For gunners and shit that are often out of range

Venting Shriek is too good tbh

[plucky flax]

Yeah I shriek at 83%+ on every other staves.

Just not on purga.

[orchid shadow]

Anyone familiar with the PowerDI mod? Like, is there a way to track a specific proc like Kinetic Flayer? It doesn't register on the Ability Report.

[wind spruce]

If you message ovenproof directly he'll likely tell you, he's good like that

[deft heart]

What should I use with surge staff

[wind spruce]

Be more specific

[deft heart]

brain burst smite or knives

[cinder moon]

smite+surge is fun for the unlimited power memes

also effective if you know what you're doing

[wind spruce]

Smite is good with it, brain burst if you don't like smite

[deft heart]

So BB is good with surge staff?

[wind spruce]

Take creeping flames as a must

[orchid shadow]

I'll try that, thanks. Just for fun I just did a run with flayer without trying to BB manually to see what kinda of info came up. The only thing I discovered was.. I reaaaally missed smite to prop up my team when the hordes were too much for them.

[deft heart]

I use BB

[plucky flax]

No it does the same job.

But surge just kills stuff faster than bb.

[cinder moon]

smite+wildfire will take care of most trash hordes by itself

[wind spruce]

If they're in range

[deft heart]

Ok thanks

[plucky flax]

Surge has like 30 meters range.

[deft heart]

So smite with surge?

[wind spruce]

True

[wind spruce]

That's the best pick, yeah

[plucky flax]

Rarely is enemies ever out of surge range.

[cinder moon]

if they are, LMB

[orchid shadow]

Anything not in range like snipers you can LMB spam.

[plucky flax]

I played a round with surge earlier and I didn't touch my blitz button anyway. Xd

Just surge and illisi boom boom everything died.

[wind spruce]

This is the underlying truth

[upper sun]

they fixed the smite surge bug right?

[wind spruce]

Surge, illisi and creeping flames do all the work

[cinder moon]

my surge+smite build is great for horde lockdown

[plucky flax]

I'd melee against horde rather than smite.

It kills way faster.

[cinder moon]

i had 3 zealots that round

[upper sun]

illisi is just too fun to not use

[plucky flax]

Get more melee kills than them to flex.

[long wharf]

I hope FartShack announces something soon

[wind spruce]

I can't stand it anymore

But that's just from overuse pre patch 13

[cinder moon]

i almost never touch my melee with smite+surge, if i take it out it's usually because teammates aren't carrying their weight

[deft heart]

Should I get a blessing that improves damage against carapce, flak, unyielding, maniac or unarmored

[upper sun]

on what weapon?

[deft heart]

Staff

Surge staff

[cinder moon]

maniac and carapace/unyielding for surge

it already does most damage against flak

[deft heart]

What is unyielding

[wind spruce]

Yikes

[upper sun]

i go elite flak for surge idk

[cinder moon]

i carry most teams with that build, not really yikes

psyker is just outrageously strong as a class

[deft heart]

Isa voidstrike force staff good?

[upper sun]

void is great

all staves are great

[deft heart]

Should I buy this?

[cinder moon]

don't spend melk bucks until you're 30

[upper sun]

dont buy stuff until level 30

[radiant frigate]

yes very based

[deft heart]

ok

[deft heart]

Why tho

[plucky flax]

Flak for 1 shot shotgunner breakpoint bro.

If you don't take flak with surge Xd

[radiant frigate]

you get low quality stuff at low levels

[upper sun]

you get bad weapons with bad blessings

[deft heart]

Oh thanks

[upper sun]

whats the actual breakpoint is it at 20%? or is 25% mandatory?

[plucky flax]

20% is good.

With around 3 or 4 warp charges.

Which you always have warp charges with surge.

[radiant frigate]

what if i have 0 warp charges

what if i have DD

[plucky flax]

Then pray for crit.

[radiant frigate]

what then...

[upper sun]

my issue is I REALLY want elites 4 and flak t4

[radiant frigate]

easy 50/50

[cinder moon]

i've never seen a disrupt destiny build that didn't require enormous amounts of effort to make work

[plucky flax]

Then run elites 4 and flak 4 if you want.

Flak is must.

[upper sun]

and i have zero surges with both

[plucky flax]

I prefer flak maniac myself.

[radiant frigate]

idk i just click in the general direction of heads with illisi

works very well

[cinder moon]

illisi always works well

you don't need DD for that

[upper sun]

nah its easier to just die if a maniac runs at you

[plucky flax]

Just get a staff with open perks.

[radiant frigate]

yes but with DD you get funny mutie oneshots

worth

[cinder moon]

dueling sword with warp charges also 1 shot muties

[upper sun]

🙄

[radiant frigate]

don't care this isn't about her

[upper sun]

yeah its so easy why doesnt everyone do that

[plucky flax]

Ikr? Just do it.

This crafting system is so intuitive.

Xd

[radiant frigate]

cheat

[plucky flax]

Don't look at my trauma.

That's real cheat.

[cinder moon]

i got a voidstrike with open slots

[plucky flax]

My illisi is too good not to use. Wish mobility and warp resist was swapped tho.

[upper sun]

SINCE YOU MENTIONED IT what do i do with this? should i fully convert it into damage or do chance instead of flak for fire truama?

[orchid shadow]

I'm in the same boat. I'm almost tempted to throw all 25mil dockets at the Brunt to see if I can nab something better than my current one that I've used for almost a year now.

[upper sun]

i hate you stop having open perks

[plucky flax]

Keep flak. It's more important than crit chance.

Or just get both flak and crit chance why don't you smh Xd

[upper sun]

took me two weeks to get a usable deimos

i hate all yall

[plucky flax]

Tbh I have a lot of decent weapons purely because of hours played.

1.8k hours.

So many items bricked by the robo bitch.

[upper sun]

my baby... 🥹

[plucky flax]

You don't want maniac on that?

[upper sun]

I do but i thought flak is higher priority

[plucky flax]

No you don't need flak at all.

[tired estuary]

I just throw my JO crystals at some blue people and then I get to do more damage, its really not hard sibling

[cinder moon]

assail build, gross. literally every rando assail psyker i've come across has been bad

[radiant frigate]

oh i didn't know we were posting our children now

[cinder moon]

no offense to you

[tired estuary]

(Except voidstrike build where I shoot orb at blue people)

[upper sun]

i felt like i was doing ok with maniacs with an illisi and this would just be a direct upgrade even without maniac

[upper sun]

post em

[radiant frigate]

or rather, again

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1211284689273487410/image.png?ex=65f6de46&is=65e46946&hm=e3b46ad1ccf103a70fa75fa3ae188739b344da6546c8dc0e507fb107bffbe0a7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=442&height=676

[tired estuary]

Oh yeah I'm sure you didn't intend any offense

[plucky flax]

Low-ish first target.

[cinder moon]

i'm just biased since i still have ptsd from assail psykers needing to be carried through every room after the rework

[radiant frigate]

i played with assail today

i exploded twice because i am stupid!!

[tired estuary]

Idk thats just most psykers

[plucky flax]

Let you kill mutie very easily with h2.

[upper sun]

mines the other way round

[plucky flax]

Slaughterer 3

Can you keep stacks of executor that easily?

[upper sun]

im just bad at aiming for melee weakpoints and i dont have slaght4 😢

[radiant frigate]

that's a lot of power

[upper sun]

every illisi i touch turns to gold and every deimos turns into poo

[radiant frigate]

midas touch vs midass touch

[plucky flax]

Well if I had to play 1 force sword it'd be illisi.

[radiant frigate]

illisi :)

[plucky flax]

So don't feel sad and just play illisi anyway.

Even if you use purga.

[radiant frigate]

deimos is nice and all but it isn't main weapon material

[upper sun]

oh yeah i did for a while i used it with purge

[radiant frigate]

every time i use not-illisi i just wish i had illisi

(yes, even with you, power sword VI)

[plucky flax]

Illisi is way better.

The power sword mobility is so ass.

[upper sun]

people play vet here?

i pretty much do only zealot and psyker

going from psyker to zealot in damnation and bring psyker only abilities like dodging and blocking makes you pretty much unkillable

[zealous pewter]

it is but it feels so good

take the rightmost keystone and with 80% it becomes almost passable

[zealous pewter]

illisi feels really good

i'm running deflector+uncanny and it kinda rips

[plucky flax]

They messed with my mk6 combo.

I have pc4 and now I have to do a weird reset after the 3 light attacks chain.

Nobody asked for it.

[zealous pewter]

i saw they changed the combo, does it actually mess up the three swings with power cycler?

[plucky flax]

Yes.

[zealous pewter]

aren't the lights basically all just side swipes?

[cinder moon]

i like playing vet for plasmagun and helbore

[rigid sky]

L4 is strikedown

[plucky flax]

No lights on mk6 has vertical slash at the end.

[rigid sky]

Which is the light attack that combos from push attack

[zealous pewter]

oh huh for some reason i just don't remember that

[plucky flax]

FS and shit decision making.

[rigid sky]

Hence the best single target combo being PA L

[cinder moon]

but voidstrike is better than plasmagun and helbore isn't interesting enough on its own to make me put down psyker

[zealous pewter]

plasma gun is crazy good though still

[rigid sky]

Plasma is stronger but way less fun imo

[cinder moon]

it's fun to roleplay pysker with plasmagun

[zealous pewter]

i got a 550 surge staff with (imo) perfect rolls so i've been maining that

[rigid sky]

It also sucks the fun out of the rest of the team

[cinder moon]

blowing up in the valk at the end of the mission is the best part about plasma

[rigid sky]

If I take it I feel like I am griefing

[plucky flax]

Let me see.

[zealous pewter]

i don't have a pic but it's flak and elite damage

plus the two blessings you always take

[cinder moon]

only griefing if you're magdumping into hordes of poxwalkers

[plucky flax]

Mine is only 548 it's trash I'll delete.

[zealous pewter]

yeah that's mine but i don't have maniac

i kinda like elite damage since it lets you 1 tap flak enemies more often

surge damage is a bit random, you still never 1 shot 100% of the time

[plucky flax]

You can on shotgunners with a few warp charges.

Without crit.

[zealous pewter]

yes on shotgunners it's always a kill

i run warp as well

[rigid sky]

I mean I'm not leaving my team much to do

[zealous pewter]

yeah i actually hear you on that, plasma does kill so fast it makes your team feel like they're not doing anything

[cinder moon]

i enjoy having a smart plasmagun vet on the team

[zealous pewter]

when you're using it you're god but when your teammate is plasma it's like damn leave some for me

[cinder moon]

smart meaning they don't steal targets that are actively being dealt with

[zealous pewter]

yeah that makes sense

tbh, that's not me, i'm just going ham on everything

[cinder moon]

shooting stuff through doors/walls is the best part about plasma

[zealous pewter]

for me it's crushers

or no, bulwarks

i mean

[cinder moon]

especially with sharpshooter's stance and the node that marks all shooters

[zealous pewter]

i'm 100% voice of command

will never use anything else

[cinder moon]

that's good for things that aren't plasma

[radiant frigate]

i like to think there is a difference between "plasma vet" and "vet with plasma"

[cinder moon]

yeah

[zealous pewter]

btw what do you guys think of the new smoke grenades

after the buff i started running them and they seem okay

[radiant frigate]

seen them maybe once

[cinder moon]

still never see anyone using them 😂

[zealous pewter]

they're kind of like mini psyker shields

[radiant frigate]

doesn't do damage and competes with krak grenades

psyker shields are also trash so that's not really selling it

[cinder moon]

i take shredder grenades when running plasma, but yeah, kraks are the default choice

[radiant frigate]

i always take kraks

[rigid sky]

Shredders are typically the way to go tbh

[zealous pewter]

personally i don't use krak unless i'm running columnus

which means i always have shredder

[rigid sky]

Veteran had some great armour piercing optiona

Buuuuut kraks are more fun

[zealous pewter]

but i found i never used the shredder that much except for reviving

[rigid sky]

They really feel great to use

[zealous pewter]

vs the new smokes i throw them all the time to shut down enemy shooting

[radiant frigate]

i mostly just throw kraks at bosses tbh

[cinder moon]

plasma defeats anything a krak would, plus using plasma on crowds is tantamount to griefing

so shredder does work complementing the lack of CC on plasvet

[radiant frigate]

as in, it's bad?

[halcyon gust]

Shredder is great at softening up groups, clearing space to push objectives, decent CC on demand if Shout is on cool down

[rigid sky]

Tbh I always just use VoC on plasma

Doesn't really need the other bits of E stance

I like e stance on CIAG though

[zealous pewter]

i agree with all of that, but it's still kind of mid at all of those things

[cinder moon]

it's a waste of ammo and you're probably stealing toughness from zealot or making the psyker's peril go up needlessly

[rigid sky]

Death laser goes BRRRRRRRR

[zealous pewter]

shredder just does so little damage or stagger

[radiant frigate]

i don't like e stance (period)

[zealous pewter]

it's still enough to stun a group to pick up a revive

[rigid sky]

Shredder does a lot of damage if you double it up

Because of how bleeds stack

[halcyon gust]

Shredder with the grenade improvement skill is pretty strong if you can afford it

[zealous pewter]

that's actually true, especially if you pop the damage stim

you can waste a group of crushers with a few shredders if you pop damage stim after

[radiant frigate]

does shredder also stagger bosses

[zealous pewter]

due to bleed

[rigid sky]

But the Zealot fire grenades do make them feel sad

But at least shredders regenerate

[zealous pewter]

i really don't like zealot fire nades either tbh, i run stun on zealot

they're great for dogs

the fire, that is

[rigid sky]

Depends on your melee imo

[zealous pewter]

it does yeha

imo most of the grenades in the game are pretty mid

[rigid sky]

Imo the premium ones are Ogryn bomb and Zealot fires

In terms of grenade pickup priority

[cinder moon]

big box of grenades is funny on occasion

[rigid sky]

The others are less important

[cinder moon]

but nuke is always funnier

[zealous pewter]

in theory i don't like the zealot fire grenade but it's always nice to see it on the ground

[rigid sky]

Rock is great too

[cinder moon]

rock is ultra good

[rigid sky]

Since they generate themselves

[cinder moon]

yeah

[zealous pewter]

yeah rock goes hard

[rigid sky]

Great economy

[radiant frigate]

rockonomics

[zealous pewter]

ogryn bomb and rock are the top two

[rigid sky]

If you can have a team where only 1 ogryn or Zealot uses grenade pickups

[zealous pewter]

i would put zealot stun as 3

[rigid sky]

Good times

[cinder moon]

except when the game refuses to drop grenades into boxes

[upper sun]

20 MINUTES UNTIL NEW MELK STUFF

LETS GET SOME GOOD SHIT

[zealous pewter]

economy is half the reason psyker is goated imo

[upper sun]

Is it the reason i needed 400 hours to make 4 builds while my zealot only needed 60?

[zealous pewter]

some random guys invited me to a heresy mission while i was on ogryn last night and we fucking wiped because i ran out of ammo

side note: they picked up ammo crates and then wasted them over and over for no reason

[cinder moon]

heresy is the hardest difficulty

[zealous pewter]

lol no fucking joke

auric quickplay is much easier than heresy

[cinder moon]

people that can't handle damnation and people who think they're too hot for malice

[upper sun]

nah you're thinking of damnation low intensity

regular is even easier 😢

[rigid sky]

OO damnation public

Genuinely hell

[upper sun]

actually

[zealous pewter]

i play with my wife who refuses to play above heresy and it's a nightmare, nobody knows what they're doing

[cinder moon]

the slowest low int damn mission i ever ran was probably 30 minutes, meanwhile every heresy mission i ever played went on for 40+ minutes

[upper sun]

ive played regular damnation all day today on my zealot

i havent lost one game

[cinder moon]

i mostly play regular damnation, it's fun

[zealous pewter]

regular damnation is fine, heresy is imo way harder

[upper sun]

and none lasted more than 30 minutes

[cinder moon]

most of my regular damn runs are 20-25 minutes

once in a while you get one or more morons that don't belong

[upper sun]

but they usually leave very quickly after dying

ie(knifers)

[zealous pewter]

i think the knife being the best weapon gives people unearned confidence

[rigid sky]

You have to be pretty precise to be good with it

And I think it can lead to tunnel visioning

[cinder moon]

mostly in reg damn i see bad vets that lollygag or use their gun on literally everything

[upper sun]

yeah like you said even if theyre good they sometimes cant work well with a team

[rigid sky]

On top of attracting people not so interested in team play, which isn't the knife's fault really

[upper sun]

i had one auric t5 game where i had 3 knifers

they were all amazing mechanically but the second we had to do team objectives at the final sections

they all died

JUST FOLLOW THE GUY WITH THE BARREL ITS NOT HARD

[rigid sky]

I always like taking kantrael shotgun with it so you have some good horde clear on the side at least

[zealous pewter]

it's pretty crazy that auric damnation has the highest success rate for me, people just sort themselves automatically by skil level

actually pretty good game design

[rigid sky]

Also most of the time the chillest people are on Auric damnation

When the AI decides it's just going to fuck you people take it in good humour

[zealous pewter]

tbh i wouldn't know, i play on console and voice chat is bugged 90% of the time lol

[rigid sky]

Nobody talks much in EU

[upper sun]

Yeah

chat history:
me: grims y/n?
25 minutes later....
knife guy: ah shit sorry guys leaves

[zealous pewter]

i think the knife gets a bad rap. it's an insanely good weapon. i personally just don't use it because you don't have quite enough accuracy with controller

if i plug a MNK into my xbox i'll run it

[upper sun]

nah knives are for when i wanna speed run missions for weeklies

[orchid shadow]

Anyone use a Devil's Claw as their main? I keep finding ones with good stats, but have no idea what blessings and perks it needs.

[upper sun]

i have never equipt one ever

[tired estuary]

Mk4 dc with flak, cleave blessing, and dmg blessing. Most importantly you probably want smth else to deal with crushers effectively b/c it isn't doing much to them

[orchid shadow]

I'm thinking of trying it out with Surge if I can get used to it. I'm curious about it's parry ability as my team has a penchant of just leaving me along with a monstrosities.

[tired estuary]

Yeah its fun to parry monsters

[harsh urchin]

It's a good weapon

Does well against hordes, great defensively but does very poorly against armor

I suggest pairing it with a weapon that handles armor/elites well

Such as VS or plasmagun

[feral knoll]

Rampage and savage sweep is general decent blessing wise. Works for me.

[potent echo]

Best part of the weapon is the parries

[orchid shadow]

Been testing it in the gym against monstrosities. Is there a way to parry the all the demonhost attacks? Or are they just too fast and you can only parry the first and last of the quick combo?

[potent echo]

Against the multihit I haven't been able to parry everything, but for chaos spawn it's possible

[viscid matrix]

Check out the guide in the pins

[cosmic sigil]

Rampage + shred/savage sweep/skullcrusher

[tawny pebble]

mmm tasty

[cosmic sigil]

Check the first 10s: https://youtu.be/feEsNfb3bTc?si=wEqtL_zX5XMrnJle

[deft heart]

Should I get the shield, scriers gaze or the stagger ability

[cosmic sigil]

What is your loadout? Your build?

[deft heart]

I use BB

[cosmic sigil]

Do you know the differences between the 3?

[deft heart]

Yes

[cosmic sigil]

Vent is good for panic venting but also applying soulblaze stacks and preclean a room

The stagger is cool and can help but that's not really the main purpose

[deft heart]

Venting shriek right?

[cosmic sigil]

The bubble is nice all around, but it can slow the pace a bit if you over abuse it

Yes

[deft heart]

So venting shriek sounds like the best

[cosmic sigil]

SG is for damage

[jovial juniper]

also have synergy with one of the BB modifiers

[deft heart]

Oh thanks

[cosmic sigil]

Bb + venting shriek + warp charges is psyker bread and butter

I use it in a gunker build, with my trauma...

[cinder moon]

my bb/wc/shriek gunker build ended up being a voidstrike build 😂

[buoyant mantle]

do yall think deflector should be integrated into force swords ?
with current ai director I think it should

mf spawn a battalion worth of gunner last round

[wind spruce]

Deflector is overrated and an entirely unnecessary part of the Psyker kit that holds many players back from developing better defensive skills

[untold niche]

Deflector can only last 1-2 seconds against like 12 gunners. Might as well not use it

[buoyant mantle]

indeed but I think it should be built in imo
I never ran them but I think it'll came in handy at some moment

[untold niche]

After I have it, I never thought " oh wow thanks deflector!"

[spice veldt]

if they make kinetic deflection a harder pick, then i wouldn't want deflector to be a default part of force swords

[untold niche]

huh why would you call that combination bread and butter...

[spice veldt]

esp with the obscurus where block cancelling is part of its combo and getting randomly guardbroken by stray ranged attacks would peeve the hell out of me

[untold niche]

what harder pick mean arco

[spice veldt]

moving it around the tree

cuz it's pretty free to take

[untold niche]

ahhh

[mental grail]

bro

the illisi is so good

[untold niche]

so you mean like, because it cost more to take kd, means you won't have it, means easy to get guard broken while blocking ranged attack with deflector

[untold niche]

ya

[mental grail]

I find it hard to use another sword

[untold niche]

ya. i feel you, im too noob to try another sword

[spice veldt]

ye

[untold niche]

i press 1

[mental grail]

if the sword doesn't have sweeping R2s = 🤢

[untold niche]

who cares about r2

either light attack spam

or special heavy 1

actually what is r2

[mental grail]

I need my peril for scryers

[untold niche]

then special heavy

you can do special light as well

[mental grail]

I play on a gamepad so I actually have no idea

RT for xbox / M2 for pc maybe

[untold niche]

no, what does it do

[mental grail]

Heavy attack

[untold niche]

illisi heavy isn't sweeping?

[mental grail]

so instead of spamming light attack I just push and swing heavy

[untold niche]

huh wait let me go test :v

[mental grail]

it is

Deimos is the single target heavy

[untold niche]

oh you said if

[untold niche]

here

[mental grail]

yeah it's why my favorite non psyker melee are the chainswords

I get swords like the deimos and dueling sword are very good, I just don't like using them

mulching crowds is so much more fun

[untold niche]

i just want my melee to get zombies off me

[deft heart]

Whats the difference between a psyker and sorcerer I never really understood the difference

[mental grail]

Psykers call upon the power of the empyrean latent in their own soul

IE it is their own connection to the warp

Sorcerers on the other hand

Perform rituals and pacts with daemons to grant them power

IE the power is not their own

[deft heart]

Oh thanks

[mental grail]

A psyker can use these rituals and pacts to become a sorcerer themselves, however, a sorcerer cannot become a psyker.

[deft heart]

So what about demons

Like kairos

[mental grail]

Daemons typically can use both sorcery and typical 'psyker' abilities. Though because daemons live in the warp/empyrean, calling them psykers is not really appropriate.

It is more typical of Tzeentchian daemons, though all of them theoretically can make full use of sorcery and warp abilities.

[deft heart]

So a demon can be a sorcerer, but sorcerers use the powers of other demons?

[mental grail]

Mortal sorcerers can make pacts with daemons. Daemon sorcerers typically use esoteric rituals involving mortal sacrifices and other profane things.

Powerful enough daemon sorcerers (think daemon princes) can make use of long-forgotten languages and sigils to conjure powerful sorcery on the spot, eschewing the rituals of lesser daemons.

[deft heart]

Oh that makes sense

[cosmic sigil]

because it just works in a variety of situation and with a lot of loadout

[potent echo]

I wouldn't call a whole build bread and butter

[left dagger]

how do you effectively use Assail with a trauma staff? are you supposed to do 1 charge shot then spam light assails or only charge shots?

dunno if i should use charged assail or staff m1 against farther away elites

[potent echo]

Don't use charged assail unless you are sniping far away shooters/snipers

If you see a bunch of shotgunners/gunners you spam lmb

Trauma save it for melee elites

Or just dense hordes in general

[left dagger]

how far away are we talking about? been using charged assail for gunners that are across the room that are still pretty distanced from each other

[potent echo]

Gunner elites need 2-3 charged assails, takes too long unless you have no other choice (too far away)

I would just spam lmb if they are within 15-20m

I usually run trauma with BB so I'm not too sure on assail trauma

[cosmic sigil]

what would you call it? safe, generalist build?

[potent echo]

I run void/surge assail which lets me use staff to fight ranged elites

[potent echo]

I would say most straightforward and safe yea what you said

[left dagger]

yeah im not feeling assail from those darktide build sites. 2 charged assail to kill 1 far gunner/elite is way too long vs columus or even recon lasgun

do you run BB with both the upgrade perks?

[potent echo]

My BB is raw

Its just there to snipe gunners or specials, might rather inefficient but it's just what trauma needs

[left dagger]

should i run Perilous Combustion or Wildfire with Trauma?

[potent echo]

I run PC in all my builds but I can see that it's rather lacklustre in a trauma BB build

Trauma will disperse the elites, and kills them too slowly for PC to stack up quickly, BB only kills one at a time, unless you went for the faster cast node

[left dagger]

fast cast node yeah, no PC then

[potent echo]

PC is on the way to left side so it's a default pick usually

[left dagger]

or no wildfire

[potent echo]

I feel like I will really miss PC if I take it off

Wildfire is a whole can of worms

Personally I would never run it

You can read the pinned guide for info into wildfire

But people who use wildfire here swear by it so you can try it out and see for yourself 🤷‍♂️

[wind spruce]

Perilous combustion is not at all lackluster in a trauma build lol

[potent echo]

If you run blaze trauma there would be value, but I don't run blaze trauma, guess there should have been an * lol

[torpid girder]

am i crazy

[torpid girder]

OH nvm this makes more sense

[plucky flax]

Best talent in game.

[austere crest]

Sounds fun. I wanna do void next, been moving into run-n-gun trauma a bit instead of surge and it's definitely interesting

[potent echo]

Surge is the real run and gun staff that doesn't need run and gun blessing

Pair it with duelling4 and go zooming around, probably the highest apm loadout lol

[left dagger]

i do like stunning elites first with surge staff the going in for the dueling4 head poke

[potent echo]

Bulwarks especially

[tired estuary]

Yeah it'd be cool if way more surge users did that sometimes instead of constantly farting around with it

[plucky flax]

Why just zap it to death.

[cunning plinth]

today i learned the zealots dont even have a super nice big guide post like us

smh my head

[potent echo]

Nerds and zealot mains have zero overlap

[cunning plinth]

but i play a bit of zealot for fun rn, so thats not entirely true

and here i am trying to make builds as optimized as my psykers and its hard to find out whats even good

no wonder i see a Million martyrdom knife shroudfield nerds in my games, maybe i will forgive them now

[cunning plinth]

unrelated, but making "the minimum nerd- maximum risk" class faster than all the other classes is an amazing joke by fatshark. Everytime i play psyker i see the zealot sprinting at lightspeed and getting in a brawl with 99 crushers hes about to loose, meanwhile when i play zealot it takes real restraint to not do that myself lol

[potent echo]

Crit farming for ability cdr is the simplest one

The only issue is that alot of zealot weapons are complete ass

[untold niche]

i defo wouldn't run this with builds that your secondary weapon can weakspot hit :v

[potent echo]

Like a powersword vet or duellingsword psyker can easily solo 6 crushers but evis lol, lmao

[untold niche]

zealot need buffs

[potent echo]

But give yourself a crusher and you are breaking the entire game

[untold niche]

too powercrept

[vernal blaze]

got into a lobby where a guy who was +400 was zooming through the whole level while everyone was trailing behind

[potent echo]

Crusher is turning off darktide

[vernal blaze]

felt like i was being dragged along by the collar

[potent echo]

Press activate and any elite near you is just turned off

[untold niche]

as an average player, when i use crusher i can't top charts :(

wait gui

was it you that told me when they nerfed peegun vet mains were malding

then they changed it back

or something

[potent echo]

I play martyr crusher, to make up for damage

Peesword was nerfed like ages ago

Unnerfed recently in patch 15 or something

[untold niche]

oh so its peesword not peegun?

yeah vet never going to get nerfed then

pls buff zealot

[potent echo]

Pee gun they gave it 100 cleave recently and fixed the charge rate thing, you normally won't notice much

[untold niche]

so void is just a shittier peegun?

[potent echo]

But peegun is just really strong once they added vet shout, because you don't need exe

[untold niche]

[potent echo]

You really brain off peegun and peesword and peeshout

And tag gives free damage too

Hits breakpoints for peegun

[untold niche]

atm my vet is like level 17, i use shout + the 33%tdr in coherency + 50% tdr when over 70% toughness

dude

i might as well be called ogryn

if i have another vet barring specialists or crusher/mauler i would never die

[potent echo]

Oh yea they also changed that fire doesn't instant delete toughness

[untold niche]

vet is tankier than zealot

[potent echo]

So peeshout is even stronger

[untold niche]

how is gun man tankier than melee man

explain pls

[untold niche]

now my bomber resist curio is no longer valid

[vernal blaze]

how was it valid in the first place

[potent echo]

Sniper resist? Just get yellow shield

[untold niche]

one of the patches, if you stood in the middle when fire nade went off you would be guaranteed to go down

[potent echo]

I think it still does that now

If you are downed on the fire and someone revives you, you still die super fast

[untold niche]

no i meant.

if you are alive, nade goes off on you, you run

[potent echo]

Oh you mean when fire was bugged yea

[untold niche]

no matter how you run you would still die

[potent echo]

Early patch 16

Tgt with the buffed flamer range lol

[untold niche]

having the bomber resist give you like a 1/2 tick leeway

which isn't alot but bettet than dying

[untold niche]

tbcu were you not around when it happened? you seemed so sure.

[vernal blaze]

if i was it was probably when i was awfully new

so getting broken shields meant my incompetent movement would probably get me killed anyways

i guess i just didnt notice

[untold niche]

you should have been there, the bomber kill priority went up the charts

every fire particle you see instilled fear as if you were there irl

and then you see two nades land on you and you know its gee gee

they should bring that back
12 gunners is a threat, bombers were a danger

[cunning plinth]

evis feels so amazing when you charge rev oneshot the crusher, but then the animation and everything was so long that with psyker id have poke dodged like 2 to death in the same time with a dueling sword

the dueling sword stab is so good you dont appreciate it until you dont have it anymore

[potent echo]

Yea except zealot needs the charge with evis, without the charge it's 2-3 heavy activations

[plucky flax]

Ask me I am veri pro zealot and psyker.

[untold niche]

top 1%

either way you should say what you want to build for (i.e. do you choose certain stuff because you like them or you think they are great, big difference)
, and post your build so agent can comment

[cunning plinth]

i might ask you with more detail later, but one question i have is:

the toughness DR aura does actually seem p good, do people really pick loner because saving those 2 points to get to it is worth it?

considering loner doesnt seem very useful since 99% of the time when something hard happens, you are with your team anyway

[vernal blaze]

because the stealth zealot build is stretched so thin that the one or two points needed for it just arent worth

at least from what i remember

[untold niche]

yeh

and also

[cunning plinth]

so its a stealth knife thing basically

[untold niche]

when you reach a certain point in this game

you really just don't care about coherency anymore

game give you so much toughness regen node

granted you would want to be in coherency, but many people cna afford to not care about that and go plasteel hunting

[cunning plinth]

well, that goes both ways then right, because that makes loner even less useful

actually, i never checked, does coherency regenerate toughness in combat too, or only out of it

[potent echo]

Out of combat iirc

[cunning plinth]

120 hours and i never checked

[untold niche]

out of it, thats why theres a delay

your toughness regen curio perk also shortens that delay

[untold niche]

theres a caveat that, there are some nodes that very stronk coherency related

idk its really dependent on build and how you play

maybe i shouldn't be giving advice

[plucky flax]

Loner is dependant on your playstyle. If you are comfortable being alone then it's good. If you're someone who's always with team then it won't bring much value.

[near wyvern]

I wonder what people are drinking. Someone claims on Reddit that tactical axes are better than duelling swords for Psykers cause you can one shot 5 shotgunners in one swing with it.

Teach me siblings, did I miss on something or did I encounter a Malice player?

[plucky flax]

Also it's good for solo clutches.

[compact bluff]

if you really like snapping your wrists to abuse brutal momentum, tac axes can sometimes be better than duelling swords, as well as better horde clear, otherwise they have literally nothing over the duelling swords

[near wyvern]

The best advice is that the only way to guarantee victory is to make sure you never get downed.

[compact bluff]

and i dont think theres a single player who actually regularly does stupid flicks every swing with a tac axe to get full brutal momentum value cuz its actively painful

[rigid sky]

I heard it also prevents the game from spawning takedown squads to ambush you

[plucky flax]

I heard conflicting reports but don't notice any difference myself.

[potent echo]

Is this real 🤔

[rigid sky]

Apparently the trigger is something to do with being at coherency 1, which Loner prevents

But I can't say for certain

[radiant frigate]

huh

[potent echo]

That's interesting, the cynic in me says that it's probably an unintended interaction

[rigid sky]

Might not be real

I'm only going by what I heard on this discord

[potent echo]

I would try it out but that means I would need to play many games of loner zealot and that just isn't appealing to me

[spice veldt]

if they move loner above chastise then i'd run it

[upper sun]

you mean that was intentional?

[plucky flax]

Probably loner haters spreading false rumours.

[rigid sky]

It's a positive thing though

And it kinda makes sense

[plucky flax]

Yeah they say that so it's like 'you run loner cos bad and can't deal with specials and make them target the other 3 more'

[rigid sky]

Those takedown squads are meant as punishments to the playstyle that Loner promotes

[plucky flax]

Bla bla.

[rigid sky]

Tbf I didn't get what Loner was for before and I thought it was a selfish pick but I do get it now

[vestal fulcrum]

It can be a selfish pick

Or it can allow for calculated shooter/elite dives

[cosmic sigil]

Except against some enemies like gunners that do not have a melee mode and are considered ranged even if you are next to them

[untold niche]

impossible with the ledge poxyb

[radiant frigate]

anyone ever had BB stutter at the start of the cast?

[vestal fulcrum]

Stutter?

[radiant frigate]

i exploded because i thought i was safe starting the cast at 96%

[vestal fulcrum]

Do define the notion

[radiant frigate]

and it somehow stuttered for a split second and restarted the cast

in the danger zone

so i exploded upon finishing it

[rigid sky]

think I've seen that a few times but I caught it before I completed the cast

[vestal fulcrum]

not really, but I don’t think it was due to the game having a hiccup

It was either the target dying prematurely, or me cancelling the cast

[upper sun]

are you sure you just didnt click wrong

[radiant frigate]

pretty sure

just lmb brain brust

[radiant frigate]

could not really have been the case because the target was a plogryn

unless some other smallfry snuck up and said "get down mr. president" that i didn't see

[vestal fulcrum]

Some footage could certainly be useful for investigative purposes

I should consider starting to record the bullshit I encounter daily

[upper sun]

im pretty sure it would prioritize the plague ogryn

[potent echo]

Probably as someone mentioned it locked on a target that died, then restarted, also ping, I live close to my servers so i don't have this isue

[cosmic sigil]

A lot of people shit on taxes. On the other hand, some of the best players I know / play with uses them. Probably because it has a balance of cleave / mobility / stagger / crits. Could it be better? Yeah especially when you compare them to braindead weapons or variants that are way too much overpowered (looking at you ds4). Overall the category is in need of a glow up like the claw had.

But when you play taxes at least you're gaming, not mashing m1 or special

[radiant frigate]

idk what niche tac axes are supposed to fill

[cosmic sigil]

En they have none sadly

Everything they do you can find another weapon doing it better

[vestal fulcrum]

Mobility sticks with personal defence capabilities, and crits

And relatively simple movesets, I suppose

[cosmic sigil]

Yeah but you could take a knife

[upper sun]

I really dont like tac axes

rasheed can work grea twith trust

[cosmic sigil]

(I am a taxe user)

[upper sun]

but the tactical axes are mid imo

[vestal fulcrum]

It certainly may be a better option in some circumstances

Fighting a Carapace gang with knife is plausible

With Taxe it’s pure pain

I wish Taxes had Uncanny

[cosmic sigil]

Taxe goes well with bolter/plasma/revolver ye

[upper sun]

i wish taxes didnt exist

[cosmic sigil]

That would be fucking cool

Every assassin weapon should share some blessings

Like riposte or uncanny

Or precog

I think you solved the problem

Go pitch that to fatshark rn

[vestal fulcrum]

I mean, the main problem of Taxes is that they don’t kill Unyielding/Carapace

And everything else they handle OK (but slow)

Ragers get absolutely bamboozled by Taxes

[cosmic sigil]

(considering I always bring a ranged weapon to deal with that, the pain is lessened)

[vestal fulcrum]

The reason why Taxes are not picked is that… some weapons are so power crept that there’s no good reason to take them

Why take Taxe when you can pick Illisi and not suck against Carapace/Unyielding (that is if you use Uncanny on one blessing slot)

[radiant frigate]

the concept of mobility stick confuses me

so you're bringing a weapon because it makes your legs go fast and not because you intend to use it as a weapon