psyker-class

[lunar hollow]

the taxes are unironically fine damage wise

[lyric burrow]

I can 2 shot most elites

Not factoring talents

[lunar hollow]

besides the strikedowns not having a proper damage profile

i really wish the 2 didn't have a sweeping light profile

[lyric burrow]

Human size elites i mean

[spice veldt]

ye i just mean the horizontal lights being particularly geared for owning poxwalker/groaners and reaching bps on them

[lyric burrow]

Ah yeah

[spice veldt]

the mk4 at least still has the PA

[lyric burrow]

If you don't stagger something out of range with the push

[wind spruce]

Is the mk 7 still broken

[lunar hollow]

i dont think they ever fixed it no

go to bed mankar

[spice veldt]

permanently

[lunar hollow]

rude

[lyric burrow]

Idk why the 4 is the one i decided i would commit to

[spice veldt]

us tupid bith

[lunar hollow]

the 2 is like a genuine real weapon

[lyric burrow]

I hope a plane crashes into your house

[spice veldt]

WOW

rude

[lunar hollow]

i think the distinction i would make if given the opportunity is that taxes focus on dealing with man-sized stuff that isn't a mauler

[lyric burrow]

The moveset is legit interesting to me

[lunar hollow]

and gets better hordeclear potential

and the caxe trades hordeclear for dealing with ogryns n stuff

but atm caxe is just faceroll

[lyric burrow]

Caxe desperately needs BM removed

[wind spruce]

Caxes horde clear is pretty bonkers atm

Yeah

[lunar hollow]

my problem is that bm is a flat number when like

[spice veldt]

the other dealbreaker for me is the carapace damage

[lunar hollow]

the achlys h1 should be the most brutal momentum'd of the moveset

[wind spruce]

Yeah it's rough

[lyric burrow]

Yeah everything gets the same bm

[lunar hollow]

desperado shred reciprocity vet

crit everything

[spice veldt]

speak english

[lyric burrow]

The one benefit is you can just stagger the crusher forever

[lunar hollow]

be proud of just barely under 1k cara dps in ideal conditions

no

[lyric burrow]

But yeah your struggling

[spice veldt]

binch

[lunar hollow]

i really fucking wish taxe had the heavy into special timing of the dueling sword

[lyric burrow]

Wait shit i cant do assail purge taxe4 i dont have cara damage

I forgor

[wind spruce]

Hard to take taxe outside of void for that reason

30s to kill 4 crushers

[lyric burrow]

I try not to take void if i can avoid itll just turn into a void build

Trauma mayhaps

[spice veldt]

i'm sure nothing bad can happen in those 30 seconds

[lyric burrow]

Surge?

Actually surge would work

[wind spruce]

Oh ye

[lyric burrow]

Assail works as horde clear

[worn beacon]

Dayum

[wind spruce]

I forget

[lyric burrow]

I am really relying on assail at that point for group management but

Assails p good at it so

[spice veldt]

at least you'll have a good enough time farming true aim stacks for it

[lyric burrow]

Yeah

And if i can get crits going on taxes the bps are very good

Hence shred

On not unyield/cara

[lunar hollow]

im so sad the all or nothing one tap bp on scab ragers with zealot is virtually impossible because u will be guardbroken

[lyric burrow]

I wanted to do shred all or nothing but psyker just regens stam too fast

and i dont have a desperation

[spice veldt]

the one downside of being in a block state during a push

[lyric burrow]

Id have to really spam PA

[spice veldt]

fatshark HATES 0 stamina builds

[lunar hollow]

guardbreaking in this game is so cancer

[lyric burrow]

Also taxe 4 gets 6 dodges is this true on 2 and 7

[lunar hollow]

are u on psyker

[lyric burrow]

Yeah

Am i forgetting something

[lunar hollow]

do u have the extra dodge node

[lyric burrow]

Oh right

I do

Cause crits

I was gonna say

6 was like just shovel

[lunar hollow]

shovel's was a bug

😔

[lyric burrow]

Tragic

[lyric burrow]

Dude when it buffers my blocking again so i get guardbroken 35 times and die

Very cool

[lunar hollow]

its so lame when it gets chained and u cant do anything

its part of the reason ragers are the way they are

[lyric burrow]

I hate that shit

[lunar hollow]

because if u block at the wrong moment U ARE JUST DEAD

U JUST DIE

IT IS GAME OVER

[spice veldt]

grimdark future

[lyric burrow]

Good thing the game would never throw enough ragers at me for it to happen 🙂

[lunar hollow]

i wanted way more elite spawns pre patch 13 because the game genuinely felt empty outside of special spawns a lot of the time

[spice veldt]

shame they removed ways to get around getting guardbroken

[lunar hollow]

but then they monkey's pawed it

[spice veldt]

monkey's paw

so sad

[lunar hollow]

so all the elite spawns are concentrated in really stupid ways

[lyric burrow]

I still dont hate it

[lunar hollow]

the end of warren is legit the most cancer shit ever

it's so uninteresting

[lyric burrow]

But ragers are dumb

[spice veldt]

fly my 20 ragers

[lyric burrow]

If it was just mixed elite patrols

It would be cool

[lunar hollow]

the problem is the only way for stuff to be fun is for teammates to just

[spice veldt]

yeah some nice mixed spawns would be real nice

[lunar hollow]

not pull any weight at all

[lunar hollow]

a lot of arenas need redesigns

[lyric burrow]

Rather than 20 of the non threat or very annoying enemies

[lunar hollow]

refinery delta end event

is not structured in a way that reflects the good parts of DT gameplay

[lyric burrow]

I had a match on warren recently where we got like 3 or 4 rager swarms

Im lucky i brought bolter vet

[spice veldt]

refinery delta's finale being one of the worst examples of spawns

[lyric burrow]

Yeah its awful

[lunar hollow]

refinery delta also just still doesn't work if you fix spawns

because there's NO FUCKING ROOM TO MANEUVER

nothing happens, you get swarmed or you don't, it has no interesting movement going on or anything

[spice veldt]

yeah they certainly with form over function for that arena

[lyric burrow]

And you can hella camp anyway

Like one person can make nothing happen

[lunar hollow]

it's a setpiece that looks cool the first few times you play the map and is otherwise not in line with the rest of dt's gameplay

i'll make the case that the warren mid event is like an ascension riser tier step back from their good stuff

because that one is also just open space with awkward geometry and smoke + spawns at the edges

[lyric burrow]

I actually like warren up until end event

[patent jacinth]

Anyone have a good Truama staff build lying around?

[lunar hollow]

the warren end event is cool kind of but like the spawns are bad and the final hold is pretty uninteresting

[lyric burrow]

Yeah

Its ragers into nothing happens

Ascension riser i dont hate, i dont like the first event tho

Like the whole train moving section

The second one is fine ig

[lunar hollow]

the mid event is awfully designed

it doesn't make any use of the space it gives you, you're just kind of pointlessly standing around for most of it, the second phase is super annoying because it spawns handfuls of shooters at the other side from where you're intuitively going to stand

[lyric burrow]

Yeah

[compact bluff]

whenever i play warren, there's usually get a horde right before the mid event elevator, and if you want that mid event to actually spawn anything you just gotta go and hope the horde doesnt drop in before it starts otherwise its just the most pathetic dribble of enemies

[lyric burrow]

Somebody has to run over or bring like assail

[spice veldt]

the one section where shooters are a threat because cover is sparse

[lyric burrow]

Yeah the openness of that area is super cringe

With the spawns

[spice veldt]

also snipers trolling you by spawning on the top catwalks

[lunar hollow]

i think maps are one of the things im least optimistic about when it comes to fs actually delivering stuff

because i dont think they actually internalize any of the lessons they learn when it comes to stuff like events

[spice veldt]

yeah it really makes me miss some l4d2 maps, official and custom

[lyric burrow]

They also havent really trended in the right direction minus carnival

Assuming no entrance camping

[spice veldt]

and i don't know if feedback on maps is part of the playtesting

[lunar hollow]

mercantile is super good

that one genuinely just needs a gate at the start to lock you out of that stupid camp corner. people say if you step out you instantly die but that's because you refuse to step out and fight stuff and let gunners pile up

[lyric burrow]

Yeh

[compact bluff]

mercantile end event arena is my favorite arena but its also the most disappointing just because of entrance camping

[lyric burrow]

Its either the most boring thing or the best end event

[lunar hollow]

yup

it's the most fun end event if you don't stand there

https://streamable.com/d5xu8r

[jaunty tiger]

Didn't they nerf it

The camp corner

[lunar hollow]

if you get aggressive spawns you can get some really interesting gameplay

[jaunty tiger]

There 2 spawns behind now

[spice veldt]

back when josho wasn't replaced by a cat and could scream normally

[lunar hollow]

they basically changed nothing because enemies would already spawn behind you there

[jaunty tiger]

And little platforms above the entrance for gunners to shoot you from

[lunar hollow]

in roughly the same rate as they do now afaik

[jaunty tiger]

They would but only specialists no?

Now trash spawns

[lunar hollow]

everyone has said that the spawns are very minimal

[jaunty tiger]

Rip

[lunar hollow]

i dont know because im not gonna play like a bitch when there is such an interesting arena right there

[compact bluff]

people just dont gravitate to the camp corner as much only out of nature of it being so boring

[lunar hollow]

😔

[lunar hollow]

this clip revealed to me that field improv ammo crates refill ur assail shards

[spice veldt]

OwO

[lyric burrow]

I love field improv

[compact bluff]

the funny part is camp corners have been a thing since the very first tide map horn of magnus

[lunar hollow]

it is the single best solo clutch talent and until death/holy rev is the only competition in that regard

[lyric burrow]

Yeah idk what competes

[lunar hollow]

because if everyone dies u fkin KNOW 2 dudes have dropped a crate on the floor

[lyric burrow]

Stealth maybe

Thats it tho

[lunar hollow]

that is however an ult

[lyric burrow]

Oh talent

Yeah fs then

Stealth does it in a lamer way anyway

[lunar hollow]

stealth genuinely just doesn't interest me

like if im playing a tide game i want the enemies to fkin fight me

BLOODSHED

[lyric burrow]

I do find it kinda fun

But i prefer chastise still

Idk about infiltrate

[lunar hollow]

infil at least u can justify purely because u can do raking fire memes with the -90% threat node

[lyric burrow]

Ill try it one day when im not bolter pilled

I dont like shout so

It would be next

[lunar hollow]

shout is bugged to be super broken rn so out of principle im avoiding it

im on my anti metaslave arc

[lyric burrow]

Well i enjoy shout

I dont like how dumb it is

[lunar hollow]

shout is really cool

merc kruber was my favorite vt2 class

since pmuch day 1 i wanted a shout melee vet because that sounded cool and then they made it comically overpowered

[lyric burrow]

Yeah

Stagger everything plus overshield

Crazy synergy

Low CD

Very cool

[lunar hollow]

tactical awareness is what makes it cancer

[lyric burrow]

Yeah the synergy was most TA

Dumb talent

[jaunty tiger]

I find infinite chastise more busted tbh

[lunar hollow]

i think theres an argument to be made being able to take 2+ damage-on-ult nodes also does some degenerate things to ult usage but nobody really cares about that

[lyric burrow]

Infinite chastise is also dumb

[lunar hollow]

both of them are insanely stupid for keeping you alive and both do it p much the same way

[jaunty tiger]

Well ignoring the dmg immunity atm

[lunar hollow]

neither should exist

[lyric burrow]

I kinda dislike CDR across the board

Unless they rework it entirely

To be more involved

Idk how you balance it tho

[lunar hollow]

i feel disgusting taking BP for a build that does it for a reason other than ult cooldown

[lunar hollow]

backstab cdr is a much more healthy baseline imo

nobody is really farming it for huge value it just kinda happens

[lyric burrow]

Yeah backstab is fine

[compact bluff]

most of the CDR talents make the concentration stims or whatever they're called pitiful which is kinda disappointing

[lyric burrow]

Stuff like that im ok with

Getting it for uh

Playing

Im less ok with

Existing

[lunar hollow]

certain ults care about conc stims but that list is like

p small

[spice veldt]

at least with vet you can just delete the talent and replace it with one of the 100 nodes that are at the bottom of vet's tree

[jaunty tiger]

Concentration stim is my favorite with overwatch infiltrate

[lunar hollow]

shout (kind of), point blank barrage, and shriek are the 3 that make me consider a conc stim the most

although for shriek in most cases its overkill unless u make a massive positioning error and actually need it for stagger

[lyric burrow]

Yeah idk what else

[lunar hollow]

I WISH

[lyric burrow]

Scriers since the cd starts after you leave it but also low CD anyway

[lunar hollow]

scriers is also the ult where cd probs matters the least because it hard caps you with peril

[compact bluff]

conc stim doesnt even work with scriers when its active

[lunar hollow]

and if you're popping it you have a lot of targets to kill so u dont really sit there after and immediately quell

(+ lingering damage buff)

[lyric burrow]

Yeah it would need to be like

A solo clutch

And there are a comedic amount of things to kill

[lunar hollow]

simply perilous combustion on em

[lyric burrow]

True

Very balanced talent

[lunar hollow]

@spice veldt exe stance gets u a 2 shot bp on poxwalkers with agri iag

now this is FARMING

[lyric burrow]

Tf are you testing

[lunar hollow]

drugs

[compact bluff]

i still think it'd be cool if they removed the fire talent from venting shriek and put it into a side-node for warp charges that made any ult you have get fire-charged
mainly because i think it'd be funny if scrier's gaze lit you on fire and thats how i'd do it. not for any sensible reason

[spice veldt]

i replied to wrong message

[spice veldt]

why do you know this

[lyric burrow]

Dum bith

[lunar hollow]

i just tested it

[spice veldt]

rude

[lunar hollow]

wait sorry im wrong

it doesnt

[lunar hollow]

shield applying soulblaze to enemies that walk through would be p funny

[lyric burrow]

That would be kinda neat

Potentially very strong

[compact bluff]

yea or dome slowly applying fire ticks to enemies inside it

[lyric burrow]

One day maybe smite wont be what it is

And ill never play another class

[compact bluff]

but i think it would just be really fun to let scriers gaze light you on fire for even more damage but at a real risk to yourself

[lyric burrow]

Borderlands 2 krieg ass talent lol

[compact bluff]

great now im thinking of assail shards with dynamite strapped to them

[wind spruce]

Before the last patch assail could apply burn stacks with infernus

[compact bluff]

oh im aware

it was only specific infernus blessings too

[near wyvern]

It's one of the strongest builds there is but you gotta go via soulblaze and warp siphons. Very easy to play effectively at any Auric Maelstrom.

[wind spruce]

Not with recons? I never tried it

[compact bluff]

i cant be sure since it cant be tested anymore but i dont think it worked with the laspistol infernus specifically

[near wyvern]

My main build is actually the Psylot build, but I play other builds regularly as well

[near wyvern]

It worked with all ranged infernus blessings

Assails were also able to be buffed by your melee Uncanny Strikes and Slaughterer, it was able to stack Uncanny Strikes but not Slaughterer. However, that's all gone now.

[potent echo]

Quick swap blitz! But not like that

[mighty cipher]

And thank christ that it is. It was broken as all hell

[potent echo]

It wasn't even that strong, just slightly rewarding for people who click more buttons

[mighty cipher]

Ah yes. my 1000 damage assail shard isnt strong

[potent echo]

Sure you can cream about that or just like throw 6 more assails

[untold niche]

what is psylot, or is that one of the builds in atheneum

[mighty cipher]

Have you considered that you could throw six more of those 1000 damage armor peircing shards?

[untold niche]

arco which one, i just saw that the revive shout also cuts CD in half
-6 seconds is only on specialist.

[spice veldt]

it increases CD by 50%

so 45 second CD

[mental grail]

best perks for Deimos?

I'm assuming carapace and flak?

[potent echo]

You need to have the weapon active as the hits land, so you can't really have all 6 hits for 1000s

[mighty cipher]

But you still several boosted shards

And you completely negate the one weakness the shards have of dogshit carapace damage

[torpid girder]

was assail just psyker's plasma gun? 👀

[mighty cipher]

Yeah

[untold niche]

oh misread, so sorry.

[near wyvern]

Yes it's in Atheneum and I have videos of it in YouTube, including one for patch 17

[near wyvern]

For Assail, I completely see why Uncanny Strike interaction was removed. It didn't happen that often but yeah it's something that doesn't really fall into the category of trade offs. However, what really sucks is it also lost all perk bonuses as well and that's the one that really hurts more than anything since vs armour perks are actually multipliers with all other buffs.

What the removal of weave really did was kill some very niche non-meta guns out of the game as they were only really useful as Assail stat sticks. Builds that use Assail as a tool (staggers, dispatching ranged) or for example blowing up a pack of soft elites with EP Assail spam still exists. Yes, this tells more about the gun balance but still, it's limiting good build options since nothing was given in return. At least with the weave there was some skill involved for boosting your Assails.

...

What I would hope to see is that Assails could stack up melee blessings but not use them (to avoid the funny Uncanny Strikes) but allow it to use ranged weapon blessings and then both melee and ranged weapon perks when weaved into. This rewards for making quick decisions in a fight and provides a bit more depth to using Assails while also helping out those guns that otherwise would be absolutely garbage on a psyker (MG XII Lasgun, Agripinaa revolver, headhunter autoguns )

[potent echo]

What they really should have done is just remove uncanny, but with how things are I'm expecting this to be status quo for a long time

[radiant frigate]

but then my strikes would be canny

i like my 100% armor piercing

[ornate hamlet]

does blazing spirirtt go to 4?

[radiant frigate]

on swords yes on voidstrike/trauma no

[ornate hamlet]

gotcha

warp florry hits 4 tho right?

[radiant frigate]

yes

[ornate hamlet]

ty ty

[wind spruce]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapon-blessing-traits

[untold niche]

nobodi saw dat

🐭

[rigid sky]

Also Uncanny-Executor can be good as a buff stick for a purgatus

So I tried new brain rupture out last night with the double speed talents

It actually feels absolutely great now

[vestal fulcrum]

Only now people start to credit BR

[rigid sky]

Nah I was a BR stan already

It just feels great now rather than being a fun flavour thing that fills a hole in my build optimally

Although my Purgatus build still has it unbuffed, but my Trauma build gets the double boost

[upper sun]

Yes 🙂 I need one build that doesnt cause eye strain with soulblaze

[rigid sky]

You can probably get a mod for that

[upper sun]

no i cant

geforce now

worst part is purge is my only auric usable build

[rigid sky]

Could do a Surge or CIAG build

They are easy to craft

But you'd need an Illisi or something with them

[upper sun]

I have a bunch of surges theyre just not as good in t5s

[rigid sky]

Yeah I don't like Surge either lol

I see it work for others though

[worn beacon]

You could use at least use shield then dmg vent is useless 😭

[upper sun]

i just use it to not die in case of peril or 5 maniacs rushing me the little bit of extra damage is nice

[rigid sky]

Overperil is fixable through being more careful

But it does happen lol

[weary crane]

Anyone know if the purgatus staff actually gives soulblaze, there are some discussions online saying it does.

But if thats the case then wouldn't this be overpowered?

Keystone Modifier
In Fire Reborn
Killing an Enemy with Soulblaze has a 10%
chance to grant you a Warp Charge.

[vestal fulcrum]

No, I mean, it depends on what you do with the warp charges

[spice veldt]

it does inflict soulblaze

[vestal fulcrum]

But Purgatus is all about applying that DoT

[spice veldt]

though i don't think it's quite as op as you'd expect

or in the ways that you think

[weary crane]

Bruh, you will gain 6 warp charges very quickly

[spice veldt]

the neat thing is that soulblaze counts as a warp attack and benefits from +warp damage nodes you pick

[rigid sky]

Tbh it's fine

Warp charges are expensive pointwise

[spice veldt]

it's not like you have any trouble getting warp charges or maintaining them though

[rigid sky]

9-10 points vs like 4 for EP

[weary crane]

They are expelled from combat ability, which is this case you will be using a lot, so purgatus would be op

[vestal fulcrum]

And yet not many Psykers are using Purgatus, at least from what I see in public lobbies

[spice veldt]

yeah it's a strong synergy

[vestal fulcrum]

At least they are not using it very effectively

[spice veldt]

depending on your scale of what you mean by OP

[weary crane]

So yall are 100% sure it gives enemies soulblaze?

[spice veldt]

yes

you can go install the debuff indicator mod

and check for yourself

[weary crane]

Well that makes my build very op

[spice veldt]

or go kill enemies with blue fire inflicted by purg and check if you get warp charges from killing them

[weary crane]

I will

10% chance too

[weary crane]

That's even more op

[upper sun]

eh not that quickly

its only slightly better than the other option

[rigid sky]

It's just strong

If you want actual OP play plasma vet

It still has to rely on slow Brain Ruptures beyond 30 yards

[upper sun]

yeah we have to get a god roll and get lucky with a blessing and a perk to even come close to a grey plasma gun

[rigid sky]

Eh you just need Flak and nexus really

[weary crane]

I have a plasma vet build, but on malestrom you are nearly always in close range combat

[rigid sky]

Flurry and crit are nice additions

[rigid sky]

Power Sword VI

[weary crane]

Meh

Only works on hordes

[rigid sky]

Unbelievably false

[potent echo]

truly false

[rigid sky]

Push attack -> light

[potent echo]

two shots crushers

[rigid sky]

Is an incredible single target burst

PS6 is a top tier horde mulcher and a high-tier single target weapon

Please try the purgatus build for yourself

It isn't weak at all

It's one of Psyker's strongest builds truly

But it's a different realm entirely from plasma Vet

Everything is

Apart from CIAG vet lol

[potent echo]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1ADoFG58SGPwkq/d13376MgNTPG?invite=cr-MSxEWGIsMTk5OTY0MzA3LA

old video, you need to have some slaughterer stacks first though

[upper sun]

make sure to wear sunglasses if you try purge

[weary crane]

Is that sarcasm

[rigid sky]

Are you trolling?

[weary crane]

Idk what you meant

[rigid sky]

If you think being able to cycle warp charges effectively with Purgatus is overpowered and plasma vet isnt

Well either you're trolling or you're a terrible plasma vet lol

[vestal fulcrum]

… or they are just missing information.

Do feed them knowledge

[weary crane]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b73881e-f0a3-4e13-b163-91bfe37d82d3/easily-handle-maelstrom?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

I'll try it now

[vestal fulcrum]

Questionable choices here and there

[weary crane]

Like?

[vestal fulcrum]

Purgatus perks and blessings

Deimos Unarmoured perk

[weary crane]

Well it doesnt stun ememies like lightning so i want some push back

[rigid sky]

You shouldn't need inner tranquility either

[upper sun]

purge is wrong so is deimos

[rigid sky]

Essence harvest way better

[vestal fulcrum]

What push back do you mean?

[weary crane]

Stun

They keep coming

[upper sun]

also the upgrades for Brain burst are not very useful at least KR

[rigid sky]

Wildfire is actually surprisingly bad too

[vestal fulcrum]

I don’t understand what you mean. What is giving you that “stun”?

[rigid sky]

Mettle and Perfect Timing are must-takes

Quietitude highly recommended

[potent echo]

deimos purg is really strong but you need to know how it plays or it wouldnt work

[rigid sky]

Seer's Presence is better than the elite boost

Empathic Evasion is a must-take too imo

[weary crane]

Close range kills apply suppression

[rigid sky]

You constantly crit

[upper sun]

and you really need flak on purge

[potent echo]

purg supresses everything even without the blessing

[rigid sky]

But you said you can constantly use Shriek :) all the knockback you need, on top of the staff LMB

[potent echo]

hell you will probably suppress everything before anything dies

[vestal fulcrum]

Okay, first thing you should know, this only works on shooters (and gunners) and groaners. You don’t control anything else with it

[rigid sky]

And melee push

[vestal fulcrum]

Bruisers don’t care, poxwalkers don’t care, either

Big bad melee elites don’t care, either

[rigid sky]

I mean tbf the second blessing on Purgatus is kinda unimportant

We take Nexus for obvious reasons

Crits on Purgatus are OP

[vestal fulcrum]

Yeah, but why go outside of Flurry/Nexus

[rigid sky]

But Flurry is just the best of a bad bunch

It's the only one better than nothing

[vestal fulcrum]

All the other blessings are so unimportant it’s not even worth considering

[upper sun]

if you had the choice between flak and flurry on purge i think id go flak

[vestal fulcrum]

ALSO, Purgatus suppresses things by itself quite nicely. You don’t need Terrifying Barrage - it’s a trap if anything

[rigid sky]

Focused Channelling is a maybe take for beginner learning

[spice veldt]

though even the focused channeling suggestion seems to be weaker nowadays since fatshark seems to have given some stun immunity niceties to staff channeling/casting

[vestal fulcrum]

Yeah, but ideally getting hit is something you should play around, not mitigate

[upper sun]

idk getting interrupted is your queue to leave if you dont youll just cast there until you die

[spice veldt]

nothing wrong with hittrading

[upper sun]

idealy dodge away but if you dont know how to do that youre toast

[stuck yew]

Curious garbage. Cor resist? Really?
CDR Aura better
Little to no tough regen

And I'm not sure, but "free BB cd 15 sec" count per enemy or just BB paxwalker every 15 sec?

[vestal fulcrum]

Oh, so I’m not getting crazy

[spice veldt]

yeah i was playing around in the psykh and noticed that i was getting some long periods of uninterruptible-ness after having been interrupted once

and purg's cast being always uninterruptible by default

[rigid sky]

I'm not really lauding Focused Channelling, just saying Flurry is marginal really

Least important part of a perfect Purg

[potent echo]

its been in the game since launch, i would know

[spice veldt]

i don't think the channeling part always had this though

[rigid sky]

Nexus and the two perks are more important

[spice veldt]

the casting part, i know has been uninterruptible for a good while

[potent echo]

if by channeling you mean charging, you will get staggered out

[mental grail]

We talking about staves?

[spice veldt]

i was checking the other staffs and they also had this, when i can be reasonably certain that the trauma never had this

[mental grail]

Purg I'm guessing?

[potent echo]

but when casting you wont get staggered out of the cast

[spice veldt]

yeah, i'm saying that, nowadays, if you get interrupted during a channel and retry it, you'll get this period of uninterruptible-ness persisting long beyond the normal stun immunity period

[potent echo]

ok I havent really tried to look for this but perhaps

[weary crane]

So if I change to nexus nd add perfect timing that will be good

[upper sun]

truama is the most unbuildable shit in the entire game

[potent echo]

it will be better*

[upper sun]

idk if other people are luckier or what

[rigid sky]

Veteran Rashad

[spice veldt]

i wonder if i have full blessings for trauma just to flex

[vestal fulcrum]

No. We just throw resources at the wall and see if they stick

[spice veldt]

what does my stickerbook look like

[upper sun]

shovel better!!!!

[rigid sky]

And all the other shit we recommended

Like inner tranquility is actively bad for Shriek

[spice veldt]

you have been flexed on

[vestal fulcrum]

6/8 Lv3 stickers

[rigid sky]

I'll share my build for it when I get home

[vestal fulcrum]

[upper sun]

😠

this is the purge i use

burn above 76 and cloud as high as possible

[rigid sky]

Ew groaners/poxybois

But great apart from that

[upper sun]

ye crit would be better or maniac but its nice

[rigid sky]

Yeah, relatively minor I guess

You got Flak at least

[weary crane]

I may not have the best build but I do have a max level weapon https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2342503143078850306/C8A01C93D5C54D742E7B4A06B165470A3D18664D/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

[upper sun]

uncanny would be better than unstable

also just because something is max stats doesnt mean its good

this is trash for example

[rigid sky]

@weary crane https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9b73a053-57cc-417e-a2ff-1557c744d484

I believe this is perfection for a Purgatus

[upper sun]

idc what the guide says "fire illisi" is trash

[rigid sky]

There's a couple of painful sacrifices in there, but if you do warp charges that's just how it is

No Kinetic deflection pains me in my soul

[potent echo]

warp charges eating all my talent points

[rigid sky]

But ultimately you can't budget it in

Without sacrificing something more crucial

[potent echo]

tbh you can drop empathic for KD if you really want it

[rigid sky]

Uncanny Strike is required on the Deimos, Executor is recommended but not necessary

Deflector and Unstable Power also work

Deflector is always a personal preference thing

Also does hurt to be stuck with slow brain ruptures

But the 5% crit is more valuable

[weary crane]

What about blazing spirit and riposte together?

[rigid sky]

Fuck no

Blazing spirit does not belong on a melee weapon

[untold niche]

when i didnt have deflector i always wish i had it
when i do have it i seldom sue it
its also becausel like you can only tank gunfire for lke 2 seconds before full peril

[rigid sky]

It's for Trauma only really

[rigid sky]

If you go that route you should take a stamina curio too

[vestal fulcrum]

If Wildfire made Blazing Spirit viable… then maybe, but it doesn’t

[weary crane]

With max peril resistence you can tank a gunner for a long time

[vestal fulcrum]

It mostly is just better to kill anything you are hitting with the sword

[rigid sky]

OK, but what are you doing tanking the Gunner?

Why aren't you dodging to cover and then cooking a brain burst

[untold niche]

i have one 3x stamina

[rigid sky]

Deflector is for short bursts mostly

[untold niche]

the thing is with deflector you can't sprint iwth it

[rigid sky]

Or if you're being really overpressured by everything at once

[upper sun]

You can (Not) tank end of psyker

[untold niche]

i don't even know if you can deflect while sliding

so like, if it only last 1-2 seconds that means you will get chunked anyway

[rigid sky]

But if you are blocking, you need to have an escape plan

[potent echo]

if you are sliding you dont need deflect, but you can hold block after sliding so its possible

[rigid sky]

And you need to be executing that escape plan immediately

Otherwise blocking is just delaying your death

[untold niche]

yeah but can't sprint with it, idk it just felt clunky. whenever i used it i just thought to myself why not just sprint perpendicular lol

its only really useful for bosses

that one i admit

survived DH

was funny

[rigid sky]

You try to sprint and then you get shot before you can start and that cancels your sprint for example

[untold niche]

got chunked and had to slide but still survive

[rigid sky]

But the build I linked doesn't even have Kinetic deflection

So your block is pathetic

[untold niche]

i have kd

against like gunnerS its like 1-2 seconds max

[rigid sky]

All my other builds have it and it can do some work

[untold niche]

i think against a single gunner its prob like 5-10

[rigid sky]

You should be dodging while you block to extend that anyway

[untold niche]

i don't know, most of the time i wall hug as voidstrike so the times when i had to use it for gunner fire are the times when i was going to get fucked either wa

way

im specifically talking about vs gunners

[weary crane]

Or do anything lol ( except block)

At least with shield you can

[untold niche]

i think its worth it just for the bosses, in case you need to tank one.

but i would have preferred another blessing personally.

[weary crane]

Yeah if very useful for fleshbag

And orgyn

[untold niche]

on that topic, i don't know if you can block bon vomit

that would be cool.

[weary crane]

Or sniper shots

Or flame

[rigid sky]

You can with the ult shield

[spice veldt]

if only

[rigid sky]

You can plop a bubble on BoN and he becomes totally harmless

[weary crane]

Sphere shield is overused, and teammates dont use them properly

[rigid sky]

Now that I agree with

I only use it on Trauma build

Dome still better than walls though

[untold niche]

that i know.

[untold niche]

i think its funny though, in this type of coop game, whats best is actually you build for yourself because theres no garuntee of teammate performance

[rigid sky]

The toughness regeneration from Dome can really help and the omnidirectionality helps with breaching a chokepoint

[untold niche]

i would love to run a bleed ogryn so the zealot can run bleed on crits without going down bottom left
would be quite funny

[rigid sky]

Like when you have to leave the Safety Corridor at the end of Mercantile

You can find yourself surrounded by snipers and gunners and that's a bad time

But Bubble is a 100% solution

[untold niche]

bobble seems map specific, prefer VS for horde clear and to restock DD stacks

granted theres prob no reason to run VS if you are on flame staff for sure.

[rigid sky]

It's actually great on Purgatus

You're stuck in close range and enemies do take a little bit of time to cook so ragers and maulers can be threatening

Shriek is burst

You get a lovely feedback loop with In Fire Reborn

Which is actually what started this whole discussion lol

[halcyon gust]

And Shriek is also nice long range team support

Such as saving your Zealot "Friend" after they got dogged for the 5th time in a row

Which for those that don't know. Shriek can ignore walls

And has a 30? meter range

[rigid sky]

Yeah, it extends your reach to midrange nicely

Often enough to clear a room of shooters

[halcyon gust]

Yep

[weary crane]

Well there is always that zealot with 100 wounds that runs off

[rigid sky]

Also it has no stack cap iirc

So you can Purgatus a boss to 14 stacks

[halcyon gust]

I generally run bubble on my Purge staff build since I like suppet utility it has

[rigid sky]

And then Shriek it up to 20

[halcyon gust]

I may have to swap to shriek on it

[rigid sky]

Or is it 15 and 21?

Tbh Shriek is so strong, you need a compelling reason not to use it imo

I only don't take it for Gunker (SG goes brrrrr)

And for Trauma (in this specific case I find Bubble helps me more usually)

For Void, Purgatus and hypothetically Surge I take Shriek

I say hypothetically Surge, because I don't ever take Surge lol

Boring thing

[halcyon gust]

My Surge build I run shield

[rigid sky]

Strong but dullllllll

[halcyon gust]

True

But sometimes it is nice to be Boring, but practical

[rigid sky]

That's antithetical to how I see Psyker lol

Instability is fun!

[weary crane]

I wish purga had the bolt shot instead of quick flame, whats the point in it anyway?

[halcyon gust]

Quick flame is nice to make some space

[rigid sky]

Quick flame is actually great

It has really good stagger

You can push poxbursters over with it

[halcyon gust]

Gives you some breathing room to swap to your Melee to deal with a tankier target

[rigid sky]

Stop gunners and shooters

Stop ragers even

[weary crane]

Not at long range

[rigid sky]

No, that is the weakness of it

But it isn't useless at all

[halcyon gust]

Long range you use Brain Burst or the shards

Depending on blitz

[weary crane]

True

[rigid sky]

If you're trying to torch a rager that's running at you with RMB then you'll probably get downed

[halcyon gust]

If not. You can always ask your Ogryn friend to throw you at the problem

[rigid sky]

If you LMB it, you've knocked it backwards and have effectively already won

And again, it's probably the best anti-poxburster that Psyker has

[halcyon gust]

Doesn't stop teammates from blowing them up in your face

[rigid sky]

Kinda does actually

Since it's long enough range to push them from outside of their splash zone

[halcyon gust]

Yeah

[rigid sky]

That's why it's so good

[halcyon gust]

But the number times I try to push with the M1 and then a teammate "Helps"

Chunky Salsa psyker anyone?

[weary crane]

Btw is shriek supposed to push back bursters because since release its been like a 50 50 chance that they do for me lol

[rigid sky]

Is your peril too low?

Shriek's knockback force scales with peril

(Iirc)

[weary crane]

Does it?

Thats probably why then

[idle plover]

Saving shriek to 100 to hear seers mad cackle

[weary crane]

Rip my older psyker build on the feats system

I switched to vet because of the new system

But I bought cool cometic for psyker at the start

[rigid sky]

I abandoned vet because of the new system for a long time lol, the sheer number of talents they have intimidated the shit outta me

But I got two great and very different builds now and I'm enjoying it again

Standard OP VoC/Focus Target Plasma bullshit

And silly max-DPS E-Stance/Deadshot/MF CIAG

[potent echo]

i am having alot of fun with melee chainaxe smoke vet

[weary crane]

The new system of vet makes it more viable than zealot imo

[idle plover]

People actually stick to single classes?

[weary crane]

I cannot play ogryn

So fricking slow

[stuck yew]

I feel now as if zealot are lacking propper support - like as one Vet or Psy have

[untold niche]

just learn to sprint slide
or get used to the slow xD

[stuck yew]

Books kinda good, but not as spammable as VoC

And Psy is a God of CDR

[idle plover]

Zealot is definitely more self cemtered class

[untold niche]

also it feels like they are changing blob sizes every patch, atm i feel its
rager x3
crusher x6
Bulwark x3
shotgunner x5
gunner x12
mauler x3, x2 if mixed.

[idle plover]

But the book does give more team synergy

[stuck yew]

But it also can't really outclass Vet in term of damage.
As Gunpsy also

[spice veldt]

i used to exclusively play psyker cuz i was very paranoid about ammo

[untold niche]

i don't think anything can outclass vet in terms of damage now.

[spice veldt]

until i realized that the ammo economy in this game is not balanced at all

[idle plover]

Gun psyker is hilarious concept i love running

[stuck yew]

Like vets definitely gonna kill more spec/elites
And psy is either gunpsy who kills everything or some Trauma/purg with tonna of cc or even better horde clear

[idle plover]

Scryers gaze, chainsword and las pistol with the scryer speed increase and crit speed boost

You just zoom around

[stuck yew]

So really I feel sorry for Zealots now.

[rigid sky]

The trick imo is to use that self-centredness to make yourself a bodyguard

[untold niche]

i think maybe only blaze trauma can fight with vet overall
or a super good zealot :v

[idle plover]

I feel like zealot is still really good

[rigid sky]

The moment something is threatening your team, you annihilate it

[idle plover]

No real hamperances

[rigid sky]

Don't sleep on Void too

[stuck yew]

All classes are good.
Just can't find what zealot is best at. Like really why you WANT him on a team

[rigid sky]

Hybrid of normal staff Psyker and Gun imo

[rigid sky]

Versatility

[stuck yew]

???

[untold niche]

i can't jell with zealot because you actually need to use your gun, very sad.
or get good on crusher. Too much micro decisions for me

[rigid sky]

Basically you can be incredibly robust and flexible

You should never be the one getting into trouble

[stuck yew]

Well.. In what zealot os better than Vet?

[rigid sky]

But you can get your team out of trouble super well

[rigid sky]

Robustness, speed

[untold niche]

i think all rounder vet is better than all rounder zealot, with vet shout having overtoughness to your team
Vet also has stamina and sprint nodes.

[rigid sky]

Fury of the Faithful is basically always ready

[stuck yew]

With VoC and tough regen Vet has - no, he actually has better syrviveavility

[rigid sky]

Until Death

[stuck yew]

Speed kinda yes.
But u can be pretty swift as Vet also. Just knife

[rigid sky]

Tbf VoC is currently bugged

[untold niche]

voc gives toughness to your team too tho, and butt fall staggers

[rigid sky]

And is better than it should be

[spice veldt]

zealot also has some other nice stats like better dodge stats

[stuck yew]

No, I don't mean bug

[untold niche]

whats the bug?

[spice veldt]

zealot is certainly more comfortable for melee if handed the same melee weapons as vet

[stuck yew]

By itself stat is irrelevant. Only when you consider it as a whole role

[spice veldt]

sure

[idle plover]

Zealot gets way better toughness regen compared to vet in fighting ignoring voc

[spice veldt]

i'm just pointing out one aspect at a time

[untold niche]

wuts the bug >:((

[stuck yew]

Idk. Psword kinda does the same effect for me. Like... Really. Just a tiny bit slower

[rigid sky]

All gold toughness makes you immune to ranged HP damage

[spice veldt]

yeah the psword is one of the best melee weapons

[stuck yew]

Oo no.
Vet can have ABSURD TR

Like 45% per Elite/Spec kill

[untold niche]

what do you mean ranged HP damage.
as in, if you have overtoughness isn't it expected you don't take hp damage given how hp damage is calculated

[rigid sky]

Even if it gets depleted though

[spice veldt]

yeah, if you have a gold toughness buff and you're at 0 toughness, ranged attacks (and fire) deals no damage to you

[rigid sky]

During the effect of VoC or Chorus overtough

[spice veldt]

sniper attacks should also fall in this category since they're ranged attacks

[stuck yew]

Facepalm

[untold niche]

i think the devs love vet way too much ngl :v

[rigid sky]

Even if you don't actually have any current toughness

[stuck yew]

Is was already strong as hell

[idle plover]

I wish i could run more ranged zealot but he has only like 3 skills that boost guns

[rigid sky]

Tbf Chorus works for this too

[stuck yew]

Now they broke it.

[untold niche]

not that anyone runs chorus

[rigid sky]

But you notice it less because VoC has better uptime

[untold niche]

[spice veldt]

it's just a bug because they fixed gold toughness having melee bleedthrough

[rigid sky]

And doesn't have immune anyway

[untold niche]

i see.

i would love if they made zealot even more melee orientated

[spice veldt]

since you're currently only taking melee damage because of bleedthrough calculations
(and damage from other things that skip toughness entirely)

[untold niche]

so i don't have to take out my gun

[spice veldt]

tbf zealot does have throwing knives

[stuck yew]

Hope they'll fix it soon.
Coz this is too OP so even I don't wanna us it

And I am Plaz/CIAG fan

[spice veldt]

some ranged usage is inevitable but chastise + tknifes gets you very close to being self-sustaining on melee

[untold niche]

im not top1% player like you mr arco,
i try to melee 12 gunners each time, each time i die

then i thought if i was going to use gun, and sincei like my kant, might as well go vet

[spice veldt]

i spam dodge-slidees and chastise and it usually goes well

[rigid sky]

Actually that's another thing Zealot has

Thy Wrath Be Swift is crazy good

[untold niche]

i spam too but still get hit as i dodge slide into another gunner, very sad.

[spice veldt]

i also stack toughness on zealot, if that's a difference between our builds

[rigid sky]

Do you run TWBS?

[untold niche]

yep

[spice veldt]

i feel pretty comfy against ranged patrols as long as there isn't a meaty reaper around

[rigid sky]

Tbf I use Zarona on my Zealot

[jovial juniper]

Which is popular

[stuck yew]

The talents are fine.
I just don't fell it special - like really good at smth.

Need to try to think of it as versatility (and not compare to plas/psword VoC Vet)

[rigid sky]

So if there are long range threats I can just Indiana Jones them

[idle plover]

Lasgun zealot

[rigid sky]

Yeah, Plasma is a whole realm of bullshit by itself

[spice veldt]

i like zealot as a "can't die to anything besides disablers" class

it's my comfort class for when i don't want to do any resource management at all

[rigid sky]

There's a reason why like 90% of solo clutch plays are by Zealot

[stuck yew]

CIAG is like almost the same

[untold niche]

if you are curious.
caxe + kant shotgun

[idle plover]

I use zealot fir the melee power fantasy/ inner pyromaniac filler

[stuck yew]

It is more forgiving due to 2 talents that prevent going down

Like more margin for error

[rigid sky]

Also Fury of the Faithful

2 charges + crit CDR

Reposition/stagger/crit/degrade armour/replenish toughness

All at once

[untold niche]

for me thats ogryn
one level further is shieldgryn

[stuck yew]

Fk martydrom
Go left.
Gunners gonna melt from ur crits

[spice veldt]

i like the top-right tree cuz of second wind

[stuck yew]

And go mid with right on the top

[untold niche]

im running caxe so i think its still just a 2 hit threshold

where as wounds let me tank abit more

i don't think i can 1 tap left click the gunner with crits

[spice veldt]

i don't run left tree/BtfE with martyrdom since i usually want to stay at low hp where the DR on wound doesn't have an impact

[stuck yew]

Nope. Wounds let ur tank less. Cos u regen less from ur stims for example.

Take crits.
Take Enduring faith

Tank the shit of everething

[untold niche]

eh 2 wounds worth i guess, since usually its 4-5 stacks
and i like the nades.

[untold niche]

thats assuming you have alot of stims

[stuck yew]

That's just example.

Wounds by itself doesn't help u tank.
U just can go down more.

[rigid sky]

There's a talent which does make it help actually

[spice veldt]

well it'z zealot which has BtfE and the toughness dr with wounds with martyrdom

[rigid sky]

You're generally right

[spice veldt]

that's advice that's applicable to the other classes but not with zealot if you have certain talents picked

[rigid sky]

But zealot has ways to turn wounds into damage reduction

Zealot is the only class that can justify wounds

[spice veldt]

psyker

[stuck yew]

50% from Enduring faith
30% from Marty AT BEST

[spice veldt]

the forbidden build

[rigid sky]

Maaaaaaybe Psyker to reduce the chance to die to double poxbursters

[stuck yew]

What tanks better?)

[spice veldt]

sure it's a tradeoff, and there's also the other comparison of picking another keystone

and blazing piety having a one point tax because of Punishment

[stuck yew]

No. No class can justify more than +1 wound.

[spice veldt]

zealot certainly can

[jovial juniper]

take shields

[spice veldt]

it's a tradeoff you make for getting a bunch of damage from martyrdom

[spice veldt]

dying is the goal 😎

[rigid sky]

Also tbh if you just find Martyrdom fun then go max your wounds anyway

It's an archetype

[stuck yew]

No. Marty is bad.
Like it is good when u have health for 1 hit.
But then u get hit and go down. (And yeah, you can afford going down a lot, but thats not how u win, cos u not killing while down)

And when u have health - mart isn't working at all

[spice veldt]

zealot is pretty much THE class for which martyrdom works for though

because of until death and holy rev

[stuck yew]

I mean it might be fun
But it is not effective

[spice veldt]

it is very effective

[stuck yew]

No

[jovial juniper]

You can also heal some damage you take because passive

[spice veldt]

the risk is mitigated by the existence of the until death/holy rev line

and until death/holy rev being one of the better top-middle lines to go down

[rigid sky]

Well guys, pack it up

We aren't allowed to use Martyrdom anymore

[radiant frigate]

we aren't?

[rigid sky]

Because @stuck yew said so

[jovial juniper]

Nah, I'd martyr

[stuck yew]

And the gain is useless.

Cos u have Crit chance to have more than 24% damage increase AND 50% TDR instead of 30

[rigid sky]

Pack it up guys

[radiant frigate]

idk martyrdom zealot hits like a truck

[wet belfry]

Do both?

[spice veldt]

still requiring point investments and also piety has a point tax in the form of punishment

[wet belfry]

Smh

[jovial juniper]

You see, dying on the hill that we should use martyrdom is kinda the point of martyrdom

[spice veldt]

hmm what does caxe finesse values look like

[untold niche]

im running caxe, so the attack speed off marty benefits more as i don't think piety would change my 2 hit gunner threshold

[rigid sky]

Tbf Inexorable Judgement exists too

And is really damn good

Fwiw I agree that Martyrdom is the least of Zealot's 3 keystones

But it's not BLO level bad

[untold niche]

i dodge a ton but in my own experience judgement not reliable.
i understand its different for everyone else though, just a skill issue.

[rigid sky]

And it at least promotes a novel playstyle

[stuck yew]

What exactly points u need here for?

[rigid sky]

Good god lol

[spice veldt]

not factoring in duellist, a crit is a 1.9x increase from a bodyshot, and a 1.21x increase from a weakspot

[rigid sky]

Trying to preach to us about meta viability

[stuck yew]

And this kinda oneshots crushers

[rigid sky]

Without even having TWBS

[untold niche]

also judgement adds surviviability by giving you more/faster dodges
i rather have marty's DR

[spice veldt]

i'm not saying that it's unreachable

[untold niche]

no twbs tho

[spice veldt]

but i think your assessment is overestimating the impact of crits themselves on caxes

[rigid sky]

Way to out yourself

[untold niche]

maybe i try that some day

[spice veldt]

BM weapons do have a stronger case for crits but its weakspot -> crit weakspot value is still fairly low by default

[stuck yew]

U have FotF and it kinda spammable as hell.

So movement is pretty good

[untold niche]

atm i prefer twbs because you can get hit out of charging your heavy and to me thats annoying

[spice veldt]

having deterministic actionability besides getting disabled/knocked into the air/guardbroken is also nice

and not getting wind tunneled by reapers

[stuck yew]

Ok, how does this matter for Marty anyway?

[rigid sky]

It doesn't, it just discredits you a bit

[spice veldt]

well it's part of the general point discussion and whatnot

[stuck yew]

Like u still going FotF

[rigid sky]

FotF can be interrupted by gunfire hilariously

[stuck yew]

Only in ur eyes. I prefer not getting hit in a first place

[spice veldt]

and it's another thing that bumps your survivability up

[untold niche]

am just saying in your build i can't take twbs and i like twbs

[untold niche]

im not arguing with you.

[jovial juniper]

Listen, I'll not take martyrdom slander, however I can't elaborate on it rn

[spice veldt]

another thing is that your tree gives up second wind, which is a shame

[rigid sky]

You might not be but I am lol

[untold niche]

i know you are, im just saying for me

[spice veldt]

since that's the 1 point cost that i'm particularly worried about

[rigid sky]

I hate people who are like "nooooooooo if you take martyrdom you suck"

[untold niche]

i think he just means that piety is better than martydom

[stuck yew]

Because it's weak

[spice veldt]

because that 1 point into punishment can make you choose between giving up some nice nodes depending on the tree

[rigid sky]

It is, I quite agree

[stuck yew]

If it gets buffed maybe it will get good sometime

[untold niche]

i think for crusher weapon i would take piety over martydom though.

[rigid sky]

I'm just saying it's good enough to be worth taking as an alternative playstyle

[spice veldt]

it's certainly not weak at all

it's a considerable deterministic damage buff

and zealot has THE talents to offset the risk that it brings

[untold niche]

on caxe i prefer marty

[rigid sky]

"Worst" doesn't have to mean "unpickable"

Again it's not BLO

[untold niche]

but i still suck on zealot

[stuck yew]

That's exactly what I mean.
I just literally said that above
30% TDR vs 50%
Crits allowing oneshot vs some attack SPD
And towns of Ults

[untold niche]

so thats why im on vet now

hoho

[spice veldt]

you're overestimating the impact of crits on the rashad

[untold niche]

again, does caxe crit one shot anything?

if it doesn't i rather have the attack speed.

[spice veldt]

a weakspot -> crit weakspot is ~1.2x damage (not factoring in duellist)

[stuck yew]

Definitely it oneshot more than without

[rigid sky]

I'd take Inexorable Judgement with Caxe tbh

[untold niche]

no answer me directly, what does it one shot

[rigid sky]

Or whatever it's called

[tired estuary]

you can pick caxe with any keystone its fucking caxe lol

[spice veldt]

and you have <100% crit chance and a harder time maintaining scourge because you don't have the extra crit chance as with other weapons

so there's some nonlinear scaling as well

[untold niche]

but i kinda suck so ;-;

[spice veldt]

i like piety with knife/taxes/etc. but i strongly prefer martyrdom/momentum with caxes

[tired estuary]

idk dodge better lol

[hollow jolt]

Just don't then

[rigid sky]

I mean this all ignores what the actual strength of Blazing Piety is tbh

It's not best for damage

It's best for CDR

[untold niche]

i can top like at most overall damage, ranged elite and melee lesser, if i am having a good day
on my void psyker i can top the first 5 stats no problem

ovenproof scoreboard for context

[spice veldt]

(primarily against hordes)

and the caxe tending to one-shot trash enemies so you won't proc scourge from that

[untold niche]

which is why i always found it weird people say psyker is harder to play than zealot

[rigid sky]

In fact if it doesn't one-shot then you have a bad caxe

[untold niche]

uh back to topic ^

[tired estuary]

bad zealot can make more mistakes sometimes

than bad psyker

[spice veldt]

:thonking:

[rigid sky]

Since you are limited to killing 1-2 per swing instead of 4

[untold niche]

like zealot is easier to not die,
but psyker is easier to top charts.

[tired estuary]

who gives af about charts lol

[rigid sky]

Skill floor

Psyker dies if it makes a mistake

Either through overheat or through paper defenses

[untold niche]

i admit, i have a bit of ego so yeah.

[rigid sky]

Zealot keeps on spacetrucking

[jovial juniper]

Yeah, chained my ability 7 times

[stuck yew]

I'll answer what it will not oneshot.
You from your 15 Gunners!
Since u have more TDR and more Ults, that gives ur toughness

[untold niche]

huh? but you said crits can give me one shot

now you don't want to tell me

[rigid sky]

That isn't an answer

[untold niche]

wadahell man

[rigid sky]

:)

[hollow jolt]

It can't one-shot daemons despite my pug randoms testing UwU

[stuck yew]

Not gonna test breapoint for a weapon I don't really use. Even if I could do it sittin in the office

[spice veldt]

...

[untold niche]

im pretty sure it doesn't because i tried it before.
so most likely you are just assuming it does since you admitted that

what a waste of time.

time to actually test tmr tho

[spice veldt]

you don't have to take such a hard stance on builds that you don't use

[rigid sky]

https://images.app.goo.gl/QiHPedJv2Wscbwam6

[untold niche]

i think it can one shot bulwark?

i guess.

because crusher crit can one shot bulwark, but its crusher so it prob can't actually

[spice veldt]

i wonder if the caxes are one of the weapons with a silly finesse multiplier on unyielding

[untold niche]

crusher has insane unyielding damage

[spice veldt]

oh crusher

[untold niche]

idk might be worth trying tmr

[rigid sky]

Crusher is honestly OP these days lol

[spice veldt]

i should try out piety crusher later

[spice veldt]

skullcrusher babeeeee

and infinite safety

[rigid sky]

It feels as killy as a heavy sword

[spice veldt]

certainly something that needs to be tuned down

[rigid sky]

Except it actually kills carapace

And it's totally safe

[worn beacon]

I wonder what are the class chat stereotypes

[untold niche]

on this note, im actualy thinking of memeing and taking three 3x stamina
psyker always has paper defense anyway

[stuck yew]

Ur problem was gunners kills u
Mart won't help it
BP will

Simple as that. Do basic math.

[untold niche]

i found vet chat to be unhelpful until today where one of the pinned guide creator replied to me

[rigid sky]

I am intrigued by your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter

[upper sun]

the point of the 3 stamina isnt blocking or dodging or anything

[worn beacon]

So far from collected info: nobody fucking likes #zealot-class

[rigid sky]

We are either a courtroom or a school playground depending on how you want to look at it

[untold niche]

dude tbh, if you are playing void psyker correctly that +40 toughness off your two curios isn't that much of a difdference you have to admit that

xD

[rigid sky]

Zealot is shitposting general

[spice veldt]

can't believe zealot chat would do this

[upper sun]

the point of the 3 stamina is to run to your team who keep running away

[rigid sky]

Ogryn is the happy place

[untold niche]

the point of the 3 stamina is for me ot run more, more faster

[spice veldt]

and even then, stamina doesn't help very much for sprinting anyways

[worn beacon]

And Vet?

[rigid sky]

Veteran is talking about all of the other classes besides veteran

[spice veldt]

because your stamina always jumps back up to your full running speed whenever you reenter a sprint and slowly decays back to zero-stamina speed

so you can just continuously jump or slide to reenter a sprint

[untold niche]

hmmm yeah that is a point worht trying.

[worn beacon]

Dam

[spice veldt]

and the sprint speed lost from being at zero stamina is not really that much

it's just the fov change messing with your perception of speed

[untold niche]

some guy was mocking me and he took the +damage on sprint and some other useless talents without the good talents

[spice veldt]

so, psyker has a walking speed of 4 m/s, and a default sprint bonus of +1 m/s (5m/s total)
Whenever you're out of stamina, psyker will have 50% of their sprint bonus
So, you'll just run at 4.5 m/s instead at zero stamina

[untold niche]

yeah the +40 toughness is just perception of hp on damage bleed through. its all in your mind arco

Would you rather be the flash or be captain america

[spice veldt]

if you have something like +0.4m/s from a weapon, your sprint bonus is now 1.4 m/s, and you'll run at 4.7 m/s at zero stamina

[jovial juniper]

I stated that zealot does zealot things and it's pretty accurate once I saw that channel

[untold niche]

arco how long before you reach full speed even at no stam from sprinting before it decays? its around 0.4 seconds right?

[spice veldt]

at least there are some clear bps such as surviving maulers with some more lenience or tanking a crusher hit w/o needing until death

[untold niche]

because of you i started spritn sliding alot on vet

[untold niche]

none of those things ever OH me on void psyker

[spark swallow]

quick question, what sword do you guys recommend for gun psyk builds?
I'm currently running DS but I feel like having asail still doesn't balance my build, should I really switch to Force Swords?

[spice veldt]

i'd grab the movement analyzer mod to optimize your movement

[untold niche]

arco just in case you never read :p

[spice veldt]

since it's hard to describe

[untold niche]

ahhh thank u

love u many many

[spice veldt]

lemme see where it is since it got pulled

[upper sun]

nah were just autistic for trying to make the worst class in the game usable

[spice veldt]

#1079236425196765284 message

[rigid sky]

Illisi works for me

Rashad probably a good choice too

[halcyon gust]

Illisi I use as well

[rigid sky]

Since you have Disrupt Destiny to make the breakpoints easy

[halcyon gust]

Illisi with unstable power is nice

[spark swallow]

I felt like rashad is too slow even with max finesse

[untold niche]

zealot has josho, exhil and lazorr as regulars so its pretty good. i don't type there because i think josho blocked me.
Ogryn is pretty wholesome actually, all the regulars there are basically who helped with the ogrynomicon.
psyker has arco, agent. other regulars don't play as much / tpye as much nowadays it seems.Pygex is really into randomly coming in.

And vet is like what i said.

[untold niche]

i think its because ileft the server im not sure, modding server right.
Could you dm me? i don't think i can copy paste that.

[spice veldt]

https://discord.gg/GFyCGNpJb8

[spark swallow]

yeah this is what I ran back then, but I'm having problems dealing with armored units why I switched to DS.
I like how simple DS is where I can just fish it out and poke out armored units' eyes.
But having to worry about FS' extra actions felt slow like axe to me before I can do a stab

[jovial juniper]

Oh, seems like I have a lot of work/catch up to do

[wet belfry]

Need a PHD in veteranolgy to understand vet breakpoints

[spark swallow]

I guess I just need to practice more

[untold niche]

just curious whats the problem atm

[wet belfry]

[spice veldt]

keep on with the good work (pretty please)

[wet belfry]

Im just going to make a program to do the bps

[worn beacon]

Keep up with the good work Veteran, you're helpful as fuck

[wet belfry]

Screw testing in the psykanium

[untold niche]

damn. i understand its quite weird, just hearing off how the guide guy said that i want to 1 hit bruisers with caxe, so take unaroured instead of flak

[spark swallow]

mob control, I feel like asail and DS doesn't clean up as fast as Illisi but Illisi doesn't hit as hard against armored units.
I'm trying to balance out my build and loadout

[onyx sentinel]

funny trauma moment

[worn beacon]

Recon lasgun oneshot bp real?

[untold niche]

what about your gun tho

[rigid sky]

You generally just crit through Carapace

SG and DD give you a huge damage boost

[untold niche]

from what i heard, push attack with ds4 + ilissi weave

[halcyon gust]

It does run into issue with Armored big boys, but that's where your other tools like BB come in to deal with it

[untold niche]

and yeah ds4 never matching up with illisi on horde clear

[rigid sky]

And your CIAG can burn through a Crusher's helmet in half a mag

[untold niche]

thats why i don't like running ds4

[upper sun]

had something similar on hab dreyko with purge i could not move from the door because there were non stop waves 24/7

[worn beacon]

IT CAN???

[rigid sky]

Tbh with DD/SG you can kill Crushers with an Illisi though

[untold niche]

why you think ciag is meta