psyker-class

[torpid girder]

ya that's what i changed up

[static needle]

not bad either

nice

[torpid girder]

replaced inner tranquility w/ essence harvest and dropped wildfire for soulstealer

[radiant frigate]

i remain uncertain about wildfire

is it placebo? probably

[static needle]

the fact that youre uncertain should speak to it not being worth it hahah

[long wharf]

wildfire is good for padding your damage numbers

[torpid girder]

yaaa I'm wondering if it's mostly placebo or not

[long wharf]

that's it

[static needle]

lololol

[radiant frigate]

if it makes damage numbers bigger then it does what it should, no?

[torpid girder]

especially since I rarely was having toughness issues even without soulstealer so
what if i dropped it for no reason purely for more stats 👀

[long wharf]

no, because it's not actually reducing your TTK on anything it's affecting

[torpid girder]

wait rlly?

[radiant frigate]

then it isn't padding numbers

it just shifts them to soulblaze

[long wharf]

sure it is

because you're doing that soulblaze damage on top of your real damage to kill the target

[torpid girder]

Oh i misunderstood

I read that as increased ttk and wondered how it made it slower lol

[radiant frigate]

huh?

[long wharf]

the damage you get credit for isn't capped at the health of the enemy

you one-shot the horde

it doesn't matter that the horde has a single stack of soulblaze being traded around

[radiant frigate]

even with ovenproof?

[torpid girder]

One thing i was told about wildfire recently is that it literally does nothing if an enemy is already at or above 4 stacks of soulblaze which is absurd to me

[feral verge]

Wildfire + combustion makes me happy. I like killing snipers I never even knew existed beyond doors/walls

[long wharf]

your one-shot attack is still going to kill everything, even without wildfire

[radiant frigate]

wildfire is a stupid talent with a stupid description

[long wharf]

if Wildfire distributed all soulblaze stacks onto nearby enemies, it'd be a thing of beauty

but it doesn't

[radiant frigate]

i thought it did

which is why i thought it was core

[static needle]

combustion i always run on every build. Wildfire i never run. Thats how i see it anyway.

[long wharf]

nope, it only distributes up to 4

[radiant frigate]

yes and then i learned that

[long wharf]

and those 4 get split among nearby enemies

[radiant frigate]

oh boy, can't wait for 1 damage ticks

[feral verge]

I run wildfire on one build

[long wharf]

and any possible target that already has 4+ stacks gets none

[static needle]

purgatus?

[feral verge]

The other 4 I don't

[radiant frigate]

basically it is only good for purg

[static needle]

ye i guessed

[feral verge]

Yeah

Purga + EP + bb

[radiant frigate]

so you can get to big number soulblaze territory faster

[obsidian citrus]

@static needle Can you post the talents you use for DD w voidstrike? I played one match and I really like the playstyle

[torpid girder]

What if I still ran wildfire over soulstealer because i'm not in my right mind

[static needle]

sure

i have 2 variants. one with shield and one with vent

[obsidian citrus]

im running this with shield

[static needle]

ok

As you can likely tell, I love being as tanky as I can 😏

[torpid girder]

also, what's the mod that tracks how many stacks of DOT effects are on an enemy? It feels a little cheaty but ig i already run health barsss

[static needle]

btw carapace perk might be a mistake, im not sure tho

[feral verge]

Carapace perk gives one shot breakpoint

[static needle]

not running surge

[feral verge]

I prefer flak + maniac for lmb spam

[static needle]

how about for flurry + nexus voidstrikes?

[obsidian citrus]

what do you use smite for?

[static needle]

what u run then?

[static needle]

nothing lmao

[obsidian citrus]

ok lol yeah i get it

i tried doing the same thing with assail basically

[static needle]

and the curios are toughness, toughness, HP

[static needle]

ye and I explained why i dont run it with assail if u want me to link that message

used to run with assail, dont anymore

[obsidian citrus]

no i saw that thanks

i just dont like smite lol

[static needle]

then run BB xd

[obsidian citrus]

thats actually a good idea

[static needle]

btw run flak instead on the voidstrike

second perk is up to u

[feral verge]

Not a fan. I'd rather nexus + surge. I lmb spam elites and specials, delete conga lines with rmb, destroy crushers in 2 rmbs, chunk hordes with rmb. More versatile.

[radiant frigate]

i am pondering making a new voidstrike

[static needle]

fair. I use flurry cause I dont have assail, but imo the trade off is worth it for that build

[static needle]

Lmb spam is very funni indeed

the only problem is when gunners are a little dispersed and you cant line them up. Then surge just makes the thing slow to use most of the time. Thats why I run flurry so i can snipe them quicker

btw crushers do not need to be one shot with voidstrike lol

[long wharf]

flurry doesn't let you stagger-lock bosses, though

[static needle]

hmm didnt consider

eh

[long wharf]

nexus+surge can

[static needle]

i dont think stagger locking is very important if u know what ur doing

[rigid sky]

Psyker is 90% about ego though

[long wharf]

it'll stagger lock plague ogryns and chaos spawns

[rigid sky]

And what makes you feel more powerful than deleting a Crusher in one cast

[static needle]

[rigid sky]

Fucken nothing

[feral verge]

Lmb spam is fast as hell

[rigid sky]

Apart from deleting a BoN in one magazine under SG and DD obviously

[obsidian citrus]

I dont even have a very good voidstrike staff because last time i played psyker the talent tree looked like vermintide 2

[static needle]

eh idk man is it as fast as flurry charge killing at range?

I know its fast but i dont think its faster than flurry nexus with DD

cause then u dont need to fully charge

and its super fast sniping gunners

[static needle]

i got one: one shotting crushers with deimos and DD

[rigid sky]

Also true.

I use Illisi with my Voidstrike though

Oneshotting Mutants with a Deimos feels great

Doing it with an Illisi feels incredible though

[static needle]

its so nutty 😩

[static needle]

fair. I do knife for mobility and cause its good too

[rigid sky]

Voidstrike is so independent tbh

If you can predict laterally moving targets

You can probably play without ever swapping off it

[static needle]

yep

pretty much yeah

except for when u need to kite outta there xD

[rigid sky]

(And if you can't, assail goes brrrrrr)

[static needle]

then u want a DS or knife

[rigid sky]

Best way to kite is to kill your pursuer

[static needle]

eh beg to differ, just run flurry. One shotting crushers is not important

[rigid sky]

Again, disagree because of the joy of a vulgar display of overwhelming power

[static needle]

fine, i understand

[rigid sky]

But it's preference I think

[static needle]

yea

[rigid sky]

Flurry/Nexus is godly too

[radiant frigate]

"not important" but it IS cool

[static needle]

i used to only run nexus + surge

[rigid sky]

Flurry/transfer slightly less so imo

[static needle]

but ive become a little more meta since then i guess

[rigid sky]

The meta is to keep myself entertained to want to play the next round :)

[static needle]

yeah man transfer is not worth running when it takes no time at all to quell and also just use battle meditation and u quell on hordes

[static needle]

this is the way

as long as it doesnt noticably drag down the team imo

ur fine to do whatever

[rotund fable]

6 games in a row where i've got a Loner-knife-stealth zealot in the team, and the game gives me this as a mission reward...

well that's 5k dockets into my wallet

[static needle]

How ironic

[worn beacon]

Healthbars feel like cheating

[static needle]

It's like a 0.0001% advantage

[rigid sky]

Just get a meat thermometer

[harsh urchin]

it's a pretty big advantage, considering it's information that you normally dont have access to.

[rigid sky]

Actually

[radiant frigate]

i would not suggest beast of nurgle steaks

[rigid sky]

Reskin the Deimos to a meat thermometer

[rotund fable]

Selling it gave me 5k more dockets towards my next attempt at rolling a better deimos

[torpid girder]

it isss but i just think it's REALLY satisfying watching the red bar go down when i hit things

Like it really makes me feel the impact

[rigid sky]

Ick, bad first target score

[torpid girder]

it's just so SATISFYING watching that bar go down

[rotund fable]

hence why i am trying to roll a better one...

[static needle]

WTF melk?!

[rigid sky]

Agripinaa having a sale?

[wind spruce]

Why take the -5% peril gen node above puppet master

[static needle]

idk cause I dont have anything better... but i guess maybe the DD quell chance might be better

I feel like it needs a tiny bit less generation

thats why i run it

[wind spruce]

You could take toughness DR instead since you say you like to be tanky lol

[static needle]

idk i feel like 178 toughness is enough with the curios i got

[rigid sky]

Peril reduction is imo worthless

[static needle]

ok

so what, run the DD talent?

[wind spruce]

Fuck no

[rigid sky]

Maybe one of the Smite modifiers?

[static needle]

never

[rigid sky]

Or the toughness-on-warp-gain?

[static needle]

maybe

or emphatic evasion

but idk probably obsolete since i get the shield back so fast

[rigid sky]

You are into luxury node territory here

[rigid sky]

It's not just about toughness regeneration rate

It's about consistency

Psyker dies if a fucker melee you at any point when you're below 100% toughness

Making it so that you are being topped off all the time is valuable as fuck imo

It eliminates danger windows

[static needle]

So what should I run for the last one? warp expenditure?

[rigid sky]

Psyker never gets slowly whittled down, you get suddenly murdered

[wind spruce]

Yeah I'd just take warp expenditure

It's not great but there's not much better to spend it on

[rigid sky]

It's the weakest toughness regen node, but it still fills a hole

[static needle]

maybe I should switch to BB and run the faster BB node

idk

[hollow current]

Siblings. I'm approaching the docket cap again. Do I spend another few million on MK IV's ?

[static needle]

Tried knife 6?

[rigid sky]

I use Assail on my Voidy

[static needle]

ik you do, but in my case, what would u do

[rigid sky]

Helps with laterally moving targets

[static needle]

im not gonna switch to assail, I dont need it personally

[rigid sky]

I'd probably still take Smite over BR

[static needle]

ok

[rigid sky]

Voidstrike is basically a BR you have to aim

Not the right combo imo

If you have BR when would you even use it you know?

[static needle]

true

[deft nymph]

i wish i could trade these to people

[static needle]

btw yall check out this beautiful deimos

[rigid sky]

Not a fan of slaughterer on that but not bad

[static needle]

i love slaugheterer, makes it amazing at horde clear if you are pairing it with DD

[deft nymph]

if u use it for horde clear why not use the mark 5

[rigid sky]

Voidstrike is a long range Deimos.

[static needle]

im using it for everything

and nothing can do the boss damage of deimos in psykers kit except for guns

[rigid sky]

Illisi is silly with DD

[static needle]

not as silly as deimos

[rigid sky]

You can oneshot Mutants with it

[static needle]

its busted

so can you with deimos

[rigid sky]

Well obviously

[static needle]

oneshotting mutants is not a priority anyhow

[deft nymph]

new brain burst is busted with two shield walls against bosses

[static needle]

deimos is nuts

[rigid sky]

It's more busted to oneshot a mutant with a Cleave weapon than a dedicated single target weapon

If it didn't oneshot Mutants Deimos would be shit lol

[static needle]

mutants are not priority targets

[deft nymph]

right lol

[static needle]

i dont have time to talk now

gtg

[rigid sky]

They are attention grabbers

Cutting them down ASAP stops you from getting overwhelmed by other shit

[hollow current]

nuh uh, but i will not be a knifer

[static needle]

just dodge lmfao

[static needle]

tried deimos?

its the best melee psyker has for killing crushers and bosses

[hollow current]

Ye, I loved Deimos before patch 13

[rigid sky]

I got other shit I'm dodging too

[hollow current]

I would still love it if MK IV didn't let me ZOOM

[static needle]

still amazing

[feral verge]

ds4 is better vs crushers

[rigid sky]

Just dodge crushers

Just dodge snipers

[feral verge]

deimos sends crushers to the floor, which slows down the killing process

[rigid sky]

Just dodge everything

[static needle]

uhhh no. Deimos one shots them

with DD

[static needle]

use DD

[feral verge]

specify that

before making blanket statement

[rigid sky]

Mankar's a Purgatus stan

[rotund fable]

Deimost heavy 2 knocks a crusher to the ground, it's light 1 knocks a rager out of their combo, and with uncanny strike it can just ignore armor entierly... the thing is Good

[rigid sky]

DD is bad for purgatus

[static needle]

good point, will do in the future

[static needle]

so is warps lol, too slow peril generation

[feral verge]

i have a dd gunker build

[rigid sky]

Good lad

[willow hazel]

is enfeeble still bugged with the right click?

[rigid sky]

And with that... interesting take... I'm going to bed

[static needle]

lol fine, but you do want high peril fast so u can deal dmg from warp rider

warp charges arent a bad pick since DD barely benifits you

[rigid sky]

Ok, I will answer this at least

[static needle]

and you cant proc true aim with purgatus

[rigid sky]

You know you take essence harvest instead of inner tranq right?

[static needle]

so I do agree warps might be preferable to DD but maybe not to EP?

[static needle]

oh shit hahah

didnt consider

im too tired

[feral verge]

warp is made for purga

[static needle]

have a good one lads

peace

[rigid sky]

Later lol

I thought that was a weird take

[static needle]

✌️

it was

[rigid sky]

But yeah, makes sense now ^^

[static needle]

but brain no work

[feral verge]

level 872 isnt crazy. but on xbox? thats nuts

[rigid sky]

Sleep well sibling

[deft nymph]

thats me

[smoky wigeon]

Howmmm

How do you see that level?!

[wind spruce]

Mod

[smoky wigeon]

Oh snap cool

I suck with psyker

I either suck at killing hordes or suck at killing ranged or suck at killing elites

I can't find my WEAPON COMBO

Makes me sad

[deft nymph]

look at my about me

[smoky wigeon]

I shall try your build

[wind spruce]

Void/assail does all of this without even considering your melee, trauma does the same without blitz OR melee

[smoky wigeon]

What's that sword good for

Is trauma the ground aoe explosion?

[feral verge]

yes

[smoky wigeon]

Hm okay

Is the flame staff any good?

[feral verge]

yes

[wind spruce]

Try it but with nexus instead of flurry on the staff

[feral verge]

its my main staff

[deft nymph]

i have

[feral verge]

many people use it wrong

[smoky wigeon]

How do you use it right

[worn beacon]

...Huh

[deft nymph]

after testing i have good reasons my warp flurry is better

[smoky wigeon]

I can run auric p easily on my zealot and ogryn just not at all on my psyker

[torpid girder]

i feel called out 💔

[smoky wigeon]

But I'll give these builds ango

[cosmic sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/ding-dong-the-witch-is-dead-gif-16043379267683837191

[wind spruce]

I take more issue with running blazing spirit with only 17.5% crit chance than flurry itself

[deft nymph]

i dont really want to go through this have you test warp flurry on it

[feral verge]

dont use it on solo trash enemies, or solo enemies in general

dont be the idiot that tries setting muties on fire

just melee solo enemies

[deft nymph]

with warp flurry you end up shooting twice as fast (which can proct the same amount of soul blaze in the same time frame) then you end up killing more stuff since you can cast faster. then i have other reason but dont want to go on

[worn beacon]

Technically setting solo enemies on fire is free, but stabbing is easier and faster

[feral verge]

idk what you mean by free

it's a waste of time

i would only lmb stagger them if they were about to attack

[cold ivy]

Warp Flurry is 25.5% charge reduction, right? So you go from e.g. 1s per charge to 0.75s per charge, which is 33% more casts in the same time window

[harsh urchin]

flame staff does no damage against mutants and crushers, so you'll have to melee those enemy types

[deft nymph]

8.5 percent

[cold ivy]

8.5% stacking three times is 25.5% when fully stacked

[feral verge]

this is true, but as Dis likely knows, there is a way to melt through enemy armor with purga and specific melee weapons @smoky wigeon

here is my copy pasta on it

im assuming you dont know aobut soulblaze + uncanny strike, so here is my copy pasta from yesterday about it
[7:55 AM]
uncanny strike is very important, and very powerful. uncanny strike will allow you to melt elite packs and bosses with soulblaze
[7:55 AM]
you see a boss/elite pack, you set them on fire with purga staff, with idk 1-3 gusts of fire (that will put 15 stacks of soulblaze on them. then you use venting shriek fire ult at 84% peril (aka ascendant blaze) on them, adding an additional 6 stacks of soulblaze, for a total of 21. then, you swap to your melee with uncanny strike, and attack the boss, or one of the many elites in the head, proccing uncanny strike, which now gives your soulblaze rending capabilities. furthermore, deimos with uncanny + executor blessings will stack FOUR TIMES in one special light attack to the head of even a trash enemy

[deft nymph]

yeah and there is a reload bug to make it go faster

[cold ivy]

Does the reload bug rely on having warp flurry? Or can you do it on a gray staff

[feral verge]

you only use this trick for groups though

[deft nymph]

grey but flurry makes it easkier

[feral verge]

dont waste your time doing it on a solo crusher

[wind spruce]

Are you talking about quell cancelling?

[deft nymph]

naw,but even without bug flurry is better try it

[wind spruce]

What bug lol

[worn beacon]

Just strong attack that mf to death honestly

It was a pleasant surprise that deimos strong stab knocks crushers on ground like useless babies

[harsh urchin]

ye this part is rly nutty lol

the fact that deimos special instantly stacks your shit is actually nuts

[hollow current]

yeah that part was always sweet

[potent echo]

I prefer unstable, less fuss and the buff is active when I need it to be (I'm maxed on peril and armor is heading my way)

[mighty cipher]

500K+ dockets and ~3k plasteel later and my Purgatus staff now has Warp Flurry 4

Im still using the fucking 318 base that I got at or before lv30

[hexed geyser]

Only 3k plasteel for a flurry 4? I'm now at over 8k for my surge

[hollow current]

how is that even possible

surge has 3 blessings 😔

[mighty cipher]

This isn't a good thing.
My staff didn't change and the only thing I got out of it was Flurry IV.

[raw oriole]

What role does Surge staff currently fill? High damage to a small pack of 3-4? Heavily effective against armored?

[wet belfry]

Auto aim single target

[potent echo]

Targets two, secondary target only takes around 30% damage

No difference between flak/unarmored

Mainly to keep it consistent vs dreg/scab shooters

[raw oriole]

What percent is critical peril? 100%?

[near wyvern]

Specialist & Elite killer with auto aim. Not the most effective against packs of many but very decent with Warp Siphon builds since it's very easy to land the killing blows with it.

I only really use surge staff with smite & full soulblaze build since that gives me huge horde damage and CC and it synergizes well with it (already running inner tranquility and collecting warp siphon stacks is important for the build)

[worn beacon]

Got a shitty DS5, should I steal uncanny strike 3 or rampage 2

[patent jacinth]

Uncanny

[raw oriole]

Sounds like an Illisi with blazing spirit would synergize well.

[terse saffron]

is this better than mid mk7?

[wind spruce]

Blazing spirit on force swords is garbage no matter how much synergy you have

[raw oriole]

i cry

[wind spruce]

It is sad, I agree

Just put uncanny and slaughterer on as usual, that will ramp up your soulblaze damage anyway

[cold ivy]

the 6 stacks of soulblaze from venting shriek at 85+% (?) are already enough to kill all non-taggable enemies, inflicting extra stacks from a force sword crit does very little

[worn beacon]

84%+

[cold ivy]

ah nice

[austere crest]

Psykers are cool

[worn beacon]

Yes but psyker racism

[fierce spoke]

I gotta ask if my current staff is good, and if not what are some good blessings and perks to drop on it?

gonna drop an image of it in a second as my game is loading

definitely aware it's past due for an upgrade

[worn beacon]

I also wanna know good blessings and perks for DS4

[worn beacon]

Not an expert but that damage 😬

[fierce spoke]

Yeah, not the best but it adds up at least

definitely gonna try and upgrade it though

[worn beacon]

Yeah you'll probably need a better one with better damage

It's not a dump stat

[fierce spoke]

I found this

Blast radius kinda small though

oof

so many tries

[hollow current]

Uncanny Strike and Precognition. Shred or Rampage if you have skill issues with Precognition.

[worn beacon]

Precognition does what again

[hollow current]

+60% finesse on dodge for 2 seconds. Very powerful on elites if you can dance with them.

[hollow current]

Blast radius basically doesn't matter on voidstrike.

[fierce spoke]

ah

[fierce spoke]

That one would be named?

[hollow current]

ah sorry about that reply. I meant to quote Sallet lol.

[fierce spoke]

ah

[hollow current]

But yeah 80% void is 1.33 while 44% my lowest is 1.23.

[fierce spoke]

Yeah, now we're cooking a bit better, gonna replace blaze away with something better asap

I mean terrifying

[hollow current]

You should try surge and warp flurry sometime with the true aim node.

Surge might be hard to get tho

[fierce spoke]

I'll try it some point

I definitely know what to add to this next, warp flurry since I can be a machine gun.

[hollow current]

You can shoot into hordes basically indefinitely due to battle mediation when surge procs. which will be all the time with true aim

Perks I think are somewhere between Flak/Maniac/Carapace? Not really sure. You should ask the staff users when you get to that point. I'm not that great with staves beyond blessings.

[wind spruce]

That's almost perfect stat distribution, blast radius is your dump stat

Nexus & surge or nexus & warp flurry for blessings

Almost flak for first perk, then maniacs or carapace, whatever tickles your fancy

Don't take battle meditation. Void is starved for points and there's better stuff available.

You don't build a voidstrike to shoot into hordes better. It already dominates that role without any help, and you have this sick thing called the quell button for when you're high peril

[worn beacon]

I'll take rampage till I get good precognition

What about perks?

[wind spruce]

Maniacs for mutant one shot and carapace

[wind spruce]

Maniacs for mutant one shot and carapace

[worn beacon]

I

Understood that an hour ago

[torpid girder]

Maniacs for mutant 1shot and carapace

:)

[near wyvern]

Illisi with a blazing spirit is a meme. You are always better off with direct damage.

You should really use a knife because with surge + smite you really have no reason to ever use your melee for other than tanking a boss and moving around.

Like, why would I pull out an Illisi for a tiny chance of applying a couple stacks of soulblaze on a couple targets when I can just do this:
https://youtu.be/yrOmLUfNMw4

[wind spruce]

It was clearly a double post bug lol. You really think I'd say the same message again an hour later intentionally?

[worn beacon]

As a bit? Absolutely

[wind spruce]

Fair

It was just a glitch (likely due to the weather where I'm from making my web connection cooked all day)

[near wyvern]

Ok so the BB after cast reduction and Kinetic Resonance + EP timing fixes are pretty naughty

If you manage to find one shot targets, while you are under EP and Resonance your BB cast is 1.3 seconds, including the after cast

[feral verge]

Yeah I've been trying it out

A lot of fun

[near wyvern]

That's basically like the strongest hellebore rifle worth of damage shooting at the speed of fully buffed middle hellebore with aim hack

And if you have 3 EP stacks you can drop 2 crushers in 2.6 sec each so 5.2 sec to kill two crushers.

Of course the speed drops after that but

[static needle]

If you're running disrupt destiny, don't run maniac as you're already easily one shotting mutants with melee. Then u can run carapace and unyielding for damage against big enemies like ogryns and bosses since the duelling sword already one shots every other enemy with DD.

[static needle]

Blast radius is dump stat

[vestal fulcrum]

But it used to be like that before already, only that you needed to skip the post-BR animation/delay by switching off and onto blitz again

Now it’s just demanding less effort for a very similar result

Which, I suppose, might bring more people back into the notion that using BR is worth it

[worn beacon]

So basically

BB under EP stops being niche

[worn beacon]

As a bit? Absolutely

[rigid sky]

I'd always thought Illisi was the play for Surge+Smite psyker

(but not blazing meme obviously)

[rigid sky]

Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?

[austere crest]

BecausE I'M oUt of My ExtraORDINary MinD!

[thick ibex]

with which weapons do y'all use the assail?

guns?

[rigid sky]

For me, either Voidstrike or CIAG

[thick ibex]

ciag?

[rigid sky]

Columnus Infantry Autogun

[thick ibex]

thanks

[rigid sky]

Premium gun-psyker ranged weapon

[thick ibex]

i'll try a revolver or something probably

[rigid sky]

I kinda dislike the idea of revolvers for psyker

you get so many damage boosts through disrupt destiny and scrier's gaze

[thick ibex]

and heavy laspistols?

i see

[rigid sky]

Accatran I would probably use

(accatran pistol)

maybe not kantrael pistol but idk

Think you're more likely to lose damage to overkill with a high damage-per-shot weapon

but some people use revolvers really well with it idk

main thing is you want a weapon with good weakspot and crit multipliers

CIAG is busted with all of that

I think nothing even comes close in terms of boss dps to a CIAG psyker that's built for it

(but you're the glassiest of all glass cannons)

Voidstrike's a lot more versatile tbh

and with voidstrike you take shriek instead

which is crazy powerful

[mental rock]

Do you mean nothing comes close in terms of boss DPS for psykers? Cause I'm pretty sure a TH wins in boss dps

[thick ibex]

ahaaa, thanks

not really a staff fan

so i am using the kantrael heavy pistol so far

[rigid sky]

OK, Crucis notwithstanding lol

[supple sedge]

Thank you sparkhead for leaving ammo to Gunlugger!

[lucid flicker]

lightning staff go bsbshcrhrhzzghc

[dim parrot]

when lightning staff has a stroke

[lucid flicker]

must pop enemy

become the murder and death kill

bad ass

[rigid sky]

I still don't see the appeal of Surge over Voidstrike ngl

At least with perfect play

[mental rock]

No aiming requirement, much easier to kite with

[rigid sky]

Surge is easier I guess

Maybe different keystone favour too

[mental rock]

Faster charge aswell which makes it generally better at shooter control

[rigid sky]

Fair point

Lets you not use Assail

[lucid flicker]

partly the surge staff also feels mechanically better for me than the bowling ball

i like voidstrike, but i also like unlimited power outside my blitz slot

[tired estuary]

okay yeah brainburst EP is the only thing that makes me actually enjoy EP lol

[lucid flicker]

could i be limiting my potential? sure

fortunately for me, i just like having fun

[lucid flicker]

mMM

[tired estuary]

yeah who gives af tbh, run whats fun but just play well too

[rigid sky]

Yeah, it's too marginal on the others imo

[lucid flicker]

yes

[rigid sky]

But at least it's the cheapest keystone

Since it is under Warp Rider

[tired estuary]

Its also the only one that like, interacts with EP in a way that's engaging for me

[tired estuary]

it'd fucking better be lmao

[lucid flicker]

i've been using EP brainburst and surge with a chainsword

does a force sword offer more utility? yes. yes it does.

is it a chainsword? no, it is not.
(i also dont have a good enough force sword to justify swapping with my current build)

in the meantime i will be craving uncanny strike

[rigid sky]

Chainswords are solid as hell now from what I know

[lucid flicker]

yee

[lavish glade]

The new ones rlly good

[lucid flicker]

the psychic shove & deflector/uncanny strike is just that good though

for me at least

[rigid sky]

It's just the Big 3 are possibly the best melee weapons in the game that aren't called power swords

[jovial juniper]

Indeed

[rigid sky]

(Deimos, Illisi, DS4)

[lavish glade]

Deimos my beloved

[rigid sky]

But chainswords, and this is important, go brrrr.

[lavish glade]

The new vet shovels rlly rlly good too

[lucid flicker]

currently my only deimos sword is a low level one with deflector slapped on it.

[mighty cipher]

Brunt just gave me a 380 Illisi

[rigid sky]

60 damage / 80 rest, right?

or some awful shit like that

[mighty cipher]

No, like actually balanced stats

Genuinely really good

Statistically better than my current one

[dim parrot]

brunt blessed u

[mighty cipher]

The only thing is that Its blessings are just kinda worse for what I wanted from it. But I get to experiment with a Bloodthirsty Blazing Spirit setup.

[rigid sky]

Be sure to let us know when you come to the conclusion that it is garbage :)

[jovial juniper]

Let us know so I can optimize it for my own play style

[mighty cipher]

It's cool though

[rigid sky]

That it most certainly is

[mighty cipher]

Also I'm 90% sure I just ran into a hacker

[mental rock]

Let me guess, rapid fire rumbler?

[mighty cipher]

Yeah

[tired estuary]

Was it infinite ammogryn

[mental rock]

Yeah it's a bug not hacks

[mighty cipher]

Oh

[tired estuary]

Yeah thats a bug rn

[mighty cipher]

Still cringe as shit

[tired estuary]

Yeah hopefully that + vet shout making you immune to ranged dmg for duration of its buff get hotfixed asap lol

[rigid sky]

This bug is the more harmful one of the two imo

The ogryn one still makes it somewhat less effective than a Plasma from what I have seen

[tired estuary]

Yeah b/c it just happens normally without requiring a macro

[rigid sky]

Also i can run surv aura and turn the Ogryn's bug off :)

[tired estuary]

Idk kickback is kinda f'd up already and rumbler mashing is annoying as shit even even its not infinite

[rigid sky]

You get stronger if you run out of ammo? Good luck running out of ammo :)

[jovial juniper]

They will, believe me

[supple sedge]

Bah. Plasma not beat rock

Rock not overheat

[rigid sky]

Unless is spicy rock

[jovial juniper]

Heretics are not immune to rock

[rigid sky]

Spicy rock best rock

[tired estuary]

I mean, plasma lmb can't overheat either for some reason lmao

[rigid sky]

But only carry one

[supple sedge]

Yes

[rigid sky]

Or it get jealous

[jovial juniper]

Tried playing rock paper scissors but they head exploded

[supple sedge]

Sometime you get three. Maybe five if lucky

[near drift]

https://i.imgur.com/hkMZSF7.gif

[mighty cipher]

lv100 on this account. Yippie.

[hollow current]

I meant riposte instead of rampage but rampage is decent too. For perks I do Maniac and Flak. I do flak because with my build, Scriers and DD I can one shot shotgunners in the face with no buffs. And with a few buffs or two uncanny stacks I can one hit scab gunners. It also helps me dunk on scab ragers in melee after softening them up with assail or one shotting them out right when I got my juice going. That said Carapace is fine/very good too, I just find flak more helpful with my play style.

[keen fjord]

Any tips on how to get the legendary upper body cosmetic, because I don’t know how I’m supposed to do that

[mighty cipher]

that's the Monster one right?

If you want I can help out.

[upper sun]

the ones you buy?

[mental rock]

Just get someone to tank the monster while you BB it

[upper sun]

im logging in to buy something if someone needs to do the bb penance i can help out with my ogryn

[keen fjord]

I can’t do it till later today but I appreciate it

[keen fjord]

I don’t know why but I never thought of that

[upper sun]

thats prolly better

ogryn is great for some penances like emperor protects

im ashamed to say this but i got it by going into a damnation game pressing alt then leaving after i tanked all the damage

[keen fjord]

Ashamed maybe, but you got it done

[upper sun]

AAAAAAAA I WANNA QUICK PLAY BUT THERE ARE TWO VENT PURGE MISSIONS UP

[supple sedge]

Bah. Still doable.

[austere crest]

maybe this is null with the last update, but im wondering, if you had blazing spirit and uncanny and were able to get crit chance decent - would the stacks have rending?

guess i should test it

[supple sedge]

Ulgo believe in you sparkhead

[supple sedge]

[lyric burrow]

if your wondering if the soulblaze has rending, yes

with uncanny

uncanny assail no longer exists but uncanny soulblaze does

[mental rock]

I think you can also give normal flames uncanny if you apply the flames then swap to melee to get stacks. Might've been fixed though

[austere crest]

with all soulblaze or exclusive to the sword?

[rigid sky]

All soulblaze iirc

Mankar has a copypasta about a fancy uncanny soulblaze tech you can do with purgatus/creeping flames (or both together) and a deimos

special light stab in the head

instant 4 stack uncanny

and it suddenly kills flak/carapace

[lyric burrow]

Any

Just have to have your uncanny melee out

Ie you can put stacks on something with purge and then hit it in the head with your melee and get rending on the soulblaze

[upper sun]

doesnt work for illisi btw

i asked about this yesterday idk who answered but i only tested it today

[jovial juniper]

Yeah, just noticed the error

[rigid sky]

Not surprising since Illisi has a totally different spooky slice to Deimos' spooky stab

It's like a power sword and a chainsword.

[quaint fiber]

😭

my revolver is bricked now

[lyric burrow]

If your using handcannon thats still bis

[quaint fiber]

bs or like

does that mean smth else

[indigo maple]

Best-in-slot, meaning a meta choice

[quaint fiber]

oh right

i mean tbh i only really used it for the completely intentional assail synergy

[upper sun]

is it just me or is damnation harder this week?

[austere crest]

ty

[quaint fiber]

why does it keep getting harder

[rigid sky]

because we love it like that

[quaint fiber]

true actually

[upper sun]

nah i dunno i feel like ive been getting 4 times as many pox bursters this time around

[quaint fiber]

the struggle makes it fun

[rigid sky]

Pox burster conga lines are the best

since it takes 2-3 to kill my psyker from full lol

[upper sun]

No they're not especially one when decides to ignore my purge stagger

[mighty cipher]

I want the EXACT paramaters used for Daemonhost Dectection

I want to know every god forsaken variable that goes into determining when it wakes up.

I've fucking HAD IT with the damn things waking up it the stupidest fucking situation or when in bullshit spots that the game thinks you can get around it in.

[near drift]

Secret code is when frosty screen do a 360 and go away from the DH

[mighty cipher]

I want NUMBERS

[rigid sky]

I just hate that now it seems to be accepted that if you trigger it, you die

when you have a team that's more than capable of killing it now

like it's usually not me; I'm just the only guy trying to save the guy it actually did trigger on

but still

[upper sun]

its based off how much you paid for in game cosmetics

[queen trout]

I swear the aggro radius gets bigger the more you make it shake

[upper sun]

tbh i have zero evidence for this but i feel like not looking at it helps

[mighty cipher]

That tracks. I actually spent half the money I should've since I bought it on this account while it was on sale.

[jovial juniper]

10 meters when it's floating

[mighty cipher]

Kinda

[jovial juniper]

Less than that and you aggro it

[mighty cipher]

If your less than 15m away from it looking at it will raise its aggro and CAN wake it up fully.

[jovial juniper]

The exception is if there's a wall

[mighty cipher]

This is true

[hollow jolt]

Daemonhost aggro is higher for players that don't spend aquillas UwU

[mighty cipher]

BUT, If it isnt aggroed at all. you can run past it and not aggro it. I was able to come as close as 7m without it deciding to take my nuts off.

[jovial juniper]

Wait, if you're the last alive you can aggro it and it'll go away, but that was before this patch

It's unlikely that it changed but....

[radiant frigate]

had an incident where i was meleeing a spawn door (as you do) when suddenly 2 silent bursters joined the queue and did more than half my health in corruption

i hate bursters with a passion

[plucky flax]

Is silent burster fixed?

[hollow jolt]

Not really

Same with trappers

Audio just doesn't shit the bed

An improvement I suppose

[halcyon gust]

Silent surprises still happen sadly which is annoying

But they don't happen as often. At least from the games I do

[plucky flax]

Why can't they just fix it. It wasn't a problem on patch 13.

Then they did some funky thing.

[lyric burrow]

Its a lot better for me

But spawn doors are still fucky

Audio wise

[upper sun]

now you can hear it 24/7 even if its a mile away

which gives me ptsd

at least if i died i died but now i have ptsd

[jovial juniper]

It happens a lot during the event of hunting grounds

The audio can't handle that many hounds

[mighty cipher]

Im beyond pissed for two reasons.

1. Daemonhosts can aggro through the fucking floor or ceiling.
2. I was supposed to have 4k clear as day video evidence of this but shadowplay turned itself off again.

[queen trout]

They said they fixed shouts getting aggro through surfaces. Haven't tried testing if that's true though

[mighty cipher]

I don’t think you understand. We didn’t have any shouts.

They were literally just walking

[queen trout]

Erm walk quietly forhead

Jokes aside I haven't had any problems with demon hosts

Recently

[lucid flicker]

hm.
the psychic shove procs uncanny strike?

[queen trout]

They're honestly kinda weak now that they always only kill 1 person. I figure they should still do 2 if there's 4 people up

[mighty cipher]

Well I have

[jovial juniper]

Shoves target weakspots

[lucid flicker]

i curse my luck then

[queen trout]

Lol, was it in the spot above you?

[mighty cipher]

Yep

Above and to the right

[spice veldt]

seems like it's just sitting on fire and got awakened by taking too much damage

[lucid flicker]

must find uncanny deimos blade.. must do the FUNNY

[spice veldt]

since there's an explodable pipe at that corner

[queen trout]

Crazy theory but doesn't brain burst do a little lightning strike? Maybe that tickled it

[mighty cipher]

That hasn’t done anything for months

[rotund fable]

Got this as a mission reward... i dont think i can save it...

[lucid flicker]

blargle

[queen trout]

Well how many times has there been a demon host a floor above what you were brain bursting? I'm probably wrong anyway

[mighty cipher]

I was BRing things in the damn stairwell

[queen trout]

Bad mobility and 2 bad and 1 mid roll. Is done

[rotund fable]

I mean... if you aren't using precog or riposte, i dont think mobility matters too much on the deimos.

[lucid flicker]

i aint even about maxing my numbers, i just want something that's not trashgarbage

[harsh urchin]

mobility is always good

but the important part is having the extra dodge

[queen trout]

1 less dodge is why I said mobility is bad

Ye

[rotund fable]

Consecration didn't give me a blessing i was missing, sad.

[harsh urchin]

deimos is easy enough to roll anyways

to have 70+ mobi

[rotund fable]

did not expect it to give 8k dockets, midly surprised there

[queen trout]

Is uncanny good on deimos now that I think about it? It doesn't effect the powered attack

[harsh urchin]

uncanny is really good because it's overtuned rn

[rotund fable]

You can get 4 stacks of uncanny off a single power-attack

[harsh urchin]

executor is really good because of the interaction

[rotund fable]

with 1 power attack and an uncanny level of 3-4, your sword basically ignores armor values entirely, and you can refresh the uncanny by doing a push-block.

Add in how absurd light 1 into heavy 2 is, and the sword is monsterous.

until i can roll a better deimos, this is what i am forced to run with at the moment

[patent wing]

whats needed to one shot mutants with ds4?

[queen trout]

I just figured you kill armor pretty quick without uncanny with how silly the H2 is

[rotund fable]

I am told you need Finesse above 74 and damage 80, and a face-stab if you want to be able to do it without perks.

emphasis on "Without perks"

[patent wing]

doesnt work even with mutant perk

[rotund fable]

show the sword?

are you doing a heavy attack and stabbing in the face?

[patent wing]

yes

stab deals 3k dmg but muties have like 3700 hp

[rotund fable]

they have 4k on damnation level difficulty

[patent wing]

3,6k with 100% peril

[rotund fable]

this is the sword I use, and it's able to kill damnation muties with special face-stab into heavy face-stab, assuming no damage bonuses from talents.

yes, i am aware it's mobility is low

i havent been able to roll a better one because my luck is awful

and i am perpetually low on plasteel

[patent wing]

3,3k with heavy1 into special, both on head

with almost full peril it says 3,6k + 400 and it still lives with 1 hp

[patent wing]

same lol

must be penetration then, even if it does not appear to influence maniacs.

[harsh urchin]

I think you need WC

[spice veldt]

yeah prob the buffs from WC/DD and/or uncanny strike stacks up

[rotund fable]

Thinking about it, the majority of the times i've 1-tapped a mutie on damnation was after i fought off random poxwalkers and had some uncanny stacks...

[queen trout]

Uncanny doesn't do anything to maniac I don't believe

[spice veldt]

it does

it's only unarmoured and infested that rending doesn't affect

as unintuitive as it may be, it affects unyielding, maniac, flak, and carapace

[rotund fable]

my sword also has shred, so my crit-rate was jacked up, so...

crit heavy face-stab 1-taps mutie

[queen trout]

That's stupid, uncanny is annoying lol. First it bums me out you don't get the 4 to 1 rending to damage against unarmored enemies and now I find out it works on the other "unarmored" enemies

Oh well I guess its better then I thought then

[spice veldt]

the knives getting a hordeclear nerf because rending no longer affected infested

big sad

[queen trout]

Did it used to? I bet uncanny was crazy good then

[spice veldt]

i think there was a period where it affected all armour types and was additive?

i forget

there's been a few iterations of rending

[patent wing]

500k dockets and no single ds > 370 💀

[upper sun]

thats been my grind with deimos for a week and a half now

all the dockets i get i spend on deimos and all the plasteel i get i spend on upgrading random 370+ gear i already have

all of which either bricks or is just unusable

I dont understand how an rng crafting system is fine in a game thats buggy and also very punishing at higher difficulty

[rotund fable]

Meanwhile: I burn 50k dockets on a knife (to get a stat-stick) and i get 375, but when i burn 300k trying to get a voidstrike above 360, it doesnt happen.

[patent wing]

what u think about this one

[queen trout]

There's the argument that it's possible to beat the hardest difficulty with greys. Not that'll I'll ever try that

[hollow jolt]

:c

[patent wing]

auric maelstrom solo with grey go (scab melee modifier)

[hollow jolt]

True solo maelstrom lvl 1, all greys is easier than heresy with randoms 💪💪💪

[upper sun]

well by that logic if someone can play the game with one hand why should i keep mine?

[patent wing]

there was/is a dude playing league with a pen in his mouth, so id say get rid of both?

[upper sun]

if they wanted to cader only to the people who play 80 hours a week and only at T7 they really wouldnt make any money

[patent wing]

(he is gold)

imagine if they would allow to buy plasteel, they would be rich

[queen trout]

Looks good. Look at cleave damage and see what types it says. The low cleave damage will effect even the damage on first target of that type

[spice veldt]

though cleave damage is bugged to not scale flak adms on duelling swords

[spice veldt]

so it's just unarmoured and infested adms that get scaled

[queen trout]

No maniac so you good

[patent wing]

i dont believe fatshark

thers a hidden mechanic i a msure

[spice veldt]

cleave damage doesn't really have anything to do with cleaving

it's just an adm stat like "Penetration", "Stopping Power", etc.

[queen trout]

What's adm btw

[spice veldt]

armour damage modifier

[patent wing]

3,3k dmg, the other ds has more

even tho lower pen

rugged

[queen trout]

That 1% damage lmao

Just get a god roll forhead

[patent wing]

i conclude that its a lie that ds4 can "one tap" (with 2 hits) mutants

one does need warp charges and peril additionally

[upper sun]

uhhhh can i get this in mk4?

[rigid sky]

Huh, fair enough. I did always like force swords more anyway

[tepid rock]

I'm trying to make quick decision on which force sword I should use

[upper sun]

either deimos or illisi

[tepid rock]

What's the difference if any?

Like in move sets and such

[upper sun]

deimos is better at single target damage and illisi has better clear

depending on which deficite your staff has pick the sword that helps the most

[tepid rock]

I use purge staff

[upper sun]

either deimos or dsmk4

[tepid rock]

So I think I'll go with Deimos then

[untold spindle]

gray revolver goes hard man

but yeah you don't really need any weapon mods for damnation

just switch to assail and only use your melee to dodge xd

[upper sun]

using broken weapons like revolvers or plasma guns doesnt mean the crafting system is fine

i need surge and nexus for a void to function as well as a plasma gun

[worn beacon]

I really would take VT2 crafting over darktide one

[upper sun]

i never played vt2 but i hard its not as grindy

[worn beacon]

It's not as grindy

[upper sun]

really idk if its even grindy i only have a couple of orange weapons on my vet and zealot and they function really well show how i managed to get surgical on a revolver and thrust on a hammer on my first rolls

but even if i didnt upgrade anything

I dont think there is a single psyker weapon only that will perform as any class specific weapon

[torpid girder]

If someone applies 1 stack of soulblaze to a bunch of enemies and then u apply 20 more stacks and kill the enemies with it, the person who applied the first stacks still get credit for the damage and kills instead of the 2nd person right?

[torpid girder]

was there something wrong w/ my coffee or am i an idiot

[upper sun]

coffee doesnt work on me anymore i snort caffeine pills

[upper sun]

I think the stacks would refresh with the newer users ownership

i dont think they stack parallel per user

[torpid girder]

i remember arco told me the first person who applied the stacks is the owner so i dunno if it counts that for both kills and damage

[upper sun]

I think its the last but idk

[bold badger]

at the end of the day, it's a team game...realistically what's it matter who gets the kill as long as the enemy is killed

[buoyant maple]

Anyone can give me a talent build for surge staff? Wanting to try psyker a bit more but I’m indecisive on whether I want more dmg & peril reduction or better toughness gain

[upper sun]

I dont think anyone is gonna agree on anything but i can send you what i use for it

[buoyant maple]

I have this rn

[upper sun]

the vent upgrade i use is less damage but its more burst upfront

[little rapids]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/55EWDKR2O0

surge animation tech? Or something else

[torpid girder]

If i'm not contributing to the team there's no reason for me to be in it 💔

[bold badger]

if you're applying the initial stack or later stacks i'd say you're still contributing regardless of who's credited for the final kill

[bold badger]

....all this time I didn't know you could swap the weapon and start a new attack after the animation launched

[little rapids]

Not only that but it makes the damage come early

And it increases your dps

if you spam it on single target

[bold badger]

yeah, I just messed with it in the meat grinder. I'm gonna blow myself up doing that lol

I'd have to change my keybinds but I feel like you could easily manage it with the right set up.

[little rapids]

with blitz on q its quite easy

[rigid sky]

I would probably swap battle meditation to the +5 crit node

[buoyant maple]

I heard battle meditation is extremely strong but is it really

[rigid sky]

I like controlling my peril more

Especially if using Venting shriek

Uncontrollable drops can make you get a weaker Shriek off unexpectedly

And 5 crit is a lot

Think Surge has very strong crits?

[upper sun]

I strongly recommend EE tho

[rigid sky]

And you have crit synergy up the page

Maybe drop the toughness on peril gain too?

If you do end up taking EE

[buoyant maple]

Need that for perfect timing

Actually

[upper sun]

perfect timing is great

[rigid sky]

Don't you have 2 connections to perfect timing? Or am I mixing my nodes up

[upper sun]

no

[buoyant maple]

Yea just realized

[upper sun]

just crits but its only warp damage

[buoyant maple]

I can drop peril-Gen regen toughness

[rigid sky]

I like to have it but only if totally flush with points

So like, only with EP builds

Since they are cheap as hell

[little rapids]

yes

mettle and ee

right?

[spice veldt]

warp expenditure instead of ee

[little rapids]

my b

confused their names

[austere crest]

Surprise!

[lyric burrow]

spawn doors in this game sure are something

[cosmic sigil]

@wind spruce

i'm gonna have to report you to Big I

sorry mate

[vernal blaze]

what to change

[worn beacon]

Aw man not the dmg vent 😭

[keen fjord]

Would anyone like to help me do the BB penance, I need some help

[vernal blaze]

if only there was a channel you could, like,

Look For a Group in

[keen fjord]

I know, I just felt like asking in here first

[mortal granite]

So is a smite focused build still usable for psyker?

[torpid girder]

I think smite soulblaze builds are more than viable but i wouldn't really know, i haven't personally used one

[mortal granite]

I think I use one of those but I end up very much a support dps

[torpid girder]

I would maybe ask @near wyvern maybe cuz i remember they posted this clip of their soulblaze smite build https://youtu.be/yrOmLUfNMw4

I think it's mostly soulblaze builds in general that accomplish that but the fact it works like that w/ a smite specific build means it's more than viableee

[mortal granite]

That looks kinda fun but likely hard to set up

Lots of luck with cooldown

[torpid girder]

U would be surprised at how forgiving cooldown is with builds like that 👀
Warp charges + shriek basically just allows you to spam it whenever you want

since every time you shriek you're most likely immediately shooting back up to max warp charge stacks

i also run it with the CDR reduction aura just cuz why not

[mortal granite]

Maybe I'm using builds wrong I may have to rebuild my psyker

[torpid girder]

Ohhh maybe ya! Psyker is probably the most build dependant class in the game

but i am a little dumb so don't hesitate to test things out yourself and/or get second opinions

[mortal granite]

My current build definitely holds its own

[torpid girder]

I actually went through like 6 of my own builds where I felt like psyker just was very weak compared to my other classes
Then I finally asked for help here and tried out a soulblaze trauma build and it immediately jumped to being one of my strongest classes, probs my best purely damage wise

[mortal granite]

I just tend to use smite much more often then anything else

[wind spruce]

I can only apologise for my devilish behaviour

[worn beacon]

That might be a bit problematic

[frail harness]

I honestly think smite is terrible in 90% of situations

[torpid girder]

i would probs def ask pygex if u want to primarily use smite specifically cuz i have little experience with that type of build

[frail harness]

10% of the time it saves the run, but mostly it's not great

[mortal granite]

I really enjoy smite its how I've always played psyker

[torpid girder]

it's just... soulblaze builds in general 😍
IDC if you're a plasma vet!! I'm going to burn everything!!!

[worn beacon]

There's a problem with smite

It uh

It doesn't kill anything

Like

95% of time

[mortal granite]

It's not intended to kill

It's more of a crowd control

Ypu release smite before max peril to knock all effective to the ground

Or you hold the enemies still to give breathing room

[worn beacon]

A crowd control that doesn't kill the crowd

[wind spruce]

Smite should be combined with venting shriek

Then things die

Ez

[mortal granite]

Agreed

[worn beacon]

Orrrrrrr

Purgatus

[torpid girder]

I think the big thing is that generally in this game, if you're going for a more crowd control type of build, u should be doing so in a way that doesn't sacrifice damage, like bullgryn or crusher zealot

[worn beacon]

Or trauma

Or illisi

[torpid girder]

yaaa soulblaze builds in general are just sooo good lol

[frail harness]

The other main problem is that for 2/4 classes, they actually don't want smite up most of the time. It's actively hindering their hordeclear and forcing them out of position.

Especially Ogryn. You're stationary or close enough while charging a heavy attack. You rely on the horde coming to you

[wind spruce]

Amazing analysis you have there, yes staves exist and they will do more damage

[torpid girder]

actually a very good point! it's always so weird preparing to whack enemies that aren't a threat who are about to run into u and then just get stunlocked by lightning

[mortal granite]

I just play in a different way ig. And I'm going to keep using smite either way I don't like assail, and bb isn't my cup of tea

[torpid girder]

It can end up causing your team to split more in situations where they don't need to

[worn beacon]

I have smite on gunker and I whip out when it's actually necessary

Not when a horde of poxwalkers come out

[torpid girder]

ofc u can play howevs u want!! Like i said earlier pygex I THINK uses a primarily smite build but makes it work w/ the soulblaze setup

both damage and crowd control! A build where it does the CC without sacrificing the damage :)

[frail harness]

There are situations where smite is great, absolutely. You just have to recognize when it's going to be much more useful to damage the enemy yourself. Which is basically any time you're not going 'oh shit we might wipe here'

[torpid girder]

It sounds more like you're getting caught in a trap of wanting to ONLY do CC, similar to how shieldgryn players will plant inside of a horde to "tank and distract them" instead of just killing the horde

but i'm a little dumb soo

If it makes sense, you only need to really CC when your team is being overwhelmed and aren't doing enough damage/killing enough to remain safe basically the same way how a shieldgryn only needs to block attacks he can't already tank in the first place

[mortal granite]

I rely on alot of smite I've never had much trouble coming to kill enemies. I think playstyles clash at times but I'll look into trying a different build

[worn beacon]

Yeah

[torpid girder]

If u end up killing everything with smite then that's good!! u've already accomplished ur goal of making a good smite build :)

[worn beacon]

Just for the protocol, what difficulty?

[worn beacon]

Sadly no smite build will make me view smite as a weapon instead of last ditch effort tool

[hexed geyser]

It's not, it's just a great stun while soulblaze kills every trash.

Then you switch back to staff and delete the elites on the ground with void or surge.

[torpid girder]

@worn beacon There was this clip I posted of pygex's smite soulblaze build but i both don't know/haven't used the build so it could just be soulblaze doing all the heavy lifting ^^

i just brought it up since they specifically wanted a smite build that would be viable enough to clear

[worn beacon]

Orrrrrrr

[mortal granite]

I typically play from malice to damaging as said psyker

Never had much trouble in the past

[worn beacon]

Just use said staff to delete them

[hexed geyser]

Or assail but it doesn't work agaisnt crushers and flak ragers

[wind spruce]

You can top damage in auric damnation with just using smite and venting shriek, no melee no staff, nothing else.

[worn beacon]

Neither does smite surprise-surprise

[hexed geyser]

Well the staff doesn't deals with 180 degree.

[wind spruce]

It was a bit of a meme in this chat to do that awhile ago

[torpid girder]

ik ikkkk i just wanted to show them they didn't have to switch off of smite to be viable :)
like wut if I just don't want to use a plasma gun on vet

Ik I could just use plasma gun to delete everything but that doesn't make every other vet build irrelevant if that makes sense

[wind spruce]

Uh assail does work against flak ragers...

[spice veldt]

is it a meme to say that assail doesn't work against flak when it has 75% adms against flak

[worn beacon]

You don't compare that to vet guns

[spice veldt]

which is not 100% but still good nuff

[hexed geyser]

Ok please don't start attacking my ideas, what you said isn't what i did. Smite works great to push everything back and make a safe space. If you have a staff, you can't defend yourself for more than 2 seconds in that position.

[worn beacon]

You probably can with melee

Or even better

Purgatus

[spice veldt]

there are certainly some situations where melee and purg won't work

e.g., crusher and bulwark deathballs

[worn beacon]

Oh yeah

[hexed geyser]

Just a quick shriek, smite for maybe a second or two then go back to staff, i'm not one of those smite abusers

[torpid girder]

i feel like it's fair
Since going "Why would u use smite soulblaze when u can use trauma/purg soulblaze" is basically the same as going "Why use this gun when u can use plasma gun" but i'm also a little dumb

[worn beacon]

That's perfect smite chance to shine

[spice veldt]

yeah and those are the reasons why you'd bring smite and then you'd use your ranged/melee for other situations

[worn beacon]

I don't say smite is useless

But it's outclassed by everything outside of certain situations

I use smite on gunker just because those situations occur

[torpid girder]

Plasma gun also outclasses everything outside of certain situations but it doesn't mean everyone should run only plasma gun 👀

[worn beacon]

There's a slight difference between
Outclassed by everything
And
Outclasses everything

[torpid girder]

that's a fair point

[hexed geyser]

Sometimes i run entire missions without using smite on my build. But when 2 guys are down, it's so much easier to smite everyting while the other one pick up the downed players. And apart from the ogryn nuke and zealot's relic, nothing has this kind of efficiency

[worn beacon]

It's more or less comparing tactical axe to everything else

Would you want to run tactical axes?

When everything they do is done better by every other vet melee

[torpid girder]

I think the point I was trying to get across was (at least from the clip I linked) the difference between what you can accomplish with smite vs deciding to use a staff instead wasn't really big enough to warrant excluding smite altogether, especially since the person was asking specifically wanted a smite build for fun

[spice veldt]

though they still have BM and can reach bruiser one-shot BPs, albeit being non-deterministic because of crit reliance

and their heavies deterministically stagger ragers

[torpid girder]

similar to how in TF2 for years the iron bomber was essentially a direct upgrade to the stock grenade launcher for demoman but the difference was mostly minute, so it didn't really matter which grenade launcher u ran (but again i'm not very smart)

[spice veldt]

sure i could run a psword or rashad but besides comparing it to those two contenders, i'd consider taxes a fair consideration if i'm comparing it to something like the dclaw/knife/etc.

[worn beacon]

Rashad is just really good at dealing with carapace

It's the missing piece of puzzle I needed for helbore build

[hexed geyser]

I also don,t like to use my blitz as a 3rd weapon, i feel like a zone staff and single target melee is plenty enough, so the blitz becomes a utility.

[worn beacon]

Assail...

[lunar hollow]

i think on every class that gets it you can reach it with some combo of headtaker and talents

well that and flak/unarmored perks

[spice veldt]

time to check bps

iirc last time i ran it on zealot, i could only one-shot scab bruisers on crit

[lunar hollow]

for vet with flak/ua + headtaker all i need is a 10% melee damage node

[wind spruce]

It's pretty hard to reach the OSBP on both bruisers

You need unarmoured to make it anywhere near reliable

(Talking about taxes)

[lunar hollow]

oh ig i had precision strikes on vet

[spice veldt]

oh neat a melee build on vet gets me non-crit one-shots on both bruisers w/ unarmoured

+15% melee damage, +30% weakspot, desperado

[wind spruce]

Oh we're talking vet

[spice veldt]

at least for now yeah

i'm gonna see on zealot and psyker

[lunar hollow]

15 stacks of dd with flak/ua +headtaker should probs get u that bp with a good taxe roll

[lyric burrow]

Deci stacks can also help but less realistic to maintain

Psyker can get crits easy at least

[wind spruce]

https://outplayed.tv/media/XdJgba

Taxes are fun

[spice veldt]

zealot is like 25 damage away from a non-crit weakspot on dreg bruisers w/o flak

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/ivu1af

i wish the taxe4 wasn't fucked by having strikedown heavies that have an identical damage profile to the sweep heavies on other models

[spice veldt]

oh yeah desperation

[lyric burrow]

Ive been doing a bunch of taxe 4 testing

Interesting as a st option

But just worse than the others ye

[wind spruce]

Yeah I prefer the taxe 2 but I haven't tested the difference much

Why 4?

Oh

[spice veldt]

yeah just the completely vertical heavies

[lyric burrow]

4 has an overhead and an uppercut

[lunar hollow]

both the overhead and the uppercut deal the same damage as the sweeps

[lyric burrow]

So its all ST despite the same heavy/PA

[lunar hollow]

for some ungodly reason

[worn beacon]

If taxes are so fun

Why are people evade them

[lunar hollow]

desperation all or nothing taxe2 build

its REAL.

[wind spruce]

Something something heretics try to evade my taxes and FAIL

[lunar hollow]

that one is particularly fun because u have to dodge to keep all or nothing from losing stacks immediately

[spice veldt]

highly sane

[lunar hollow]

i want them to give it a flak/maniac cleave mod so that it can cleave 2 ragers and stagger them

[lyric burrow]

My decimator/shred taxe 4 Psyker build will make an appearance soon

[worn beacon]

There are 2 things heretics can't escape in Imperium

1. Death
2. Taxes

[lunar hollow]

because unironically if it was caxe with shittier unyielding/cara dps but can fight ragers

i would use it every time

[spice veldt]

or holding sprint since taxes seem to be one of the melee weapons that don't get their non-h1 heavies interrupted by sprint

[lunar hollow]

yea

but u cant really hold sprint in an actual fight

[spice veldt]

hnnnnnnnnnnng

god gave me until death

[lunar hollow]

there are these things called "melee enemies"

[spice veldt]

i will use it

[lyric burrow]

PA is good at least so you have a reason to push a bunch

[lunar hollow]

dude i was trying to fight 4 ragers with a taxe2 on zealot u cannot fkin do it without ult stagger

its so lame

[spice veldt]

having to use 2 charges of my ranged ult (chastise) for ragers

very sad

[lyric burrow]

You need a lot to fight ragers in melee

[spice veldt]

i HATE ragers when i'm on knife

[wind spruce]

It's for when you're in a H2 and want to sprint slide towards something

[lunar hollow]

u have a 50/50 on doing it successfully or getting hit by all 4 of them simultaneously

which is really lame

actually

u know what they should do

[spice veldt]

at least i can own groaners and poxwalkers with the mk4 taxe i suppose

[lunar hollow]

give the pa like a 0.6 maniac hitmass and a 0.25 flak hitmass

[lyric burrow]

Its BPs arent that bad

[lunar hollow]

so that if u land it while in melee with ragers u get big safety but its a low stam weapon so u can get memed hardcore if u get guardbroken