psyker-class

[rigid sky]

We get more damage per ammo unit than anybody else

Due to the magic multiplier effect of DD and SG

The real gunker problem is that we are the glassiest cannons

[patent wing]

thats not true, a good piece of cow meat does not even need salt

[abstract path]

I have not. Most times they are either low leveled as heck, like, 9 in a heresy, or they constantly go down somehow. Myself, I do not like to use guns a ton, but with my veteran I use them the most, but even then, I mainly use my guns on speialists and stuff

[potent echo]

if i get a good steak im definitely salting it

[untold niche]

yeah but you going to cook it with butter right?

[patent wing]

nah i grill it

[rigid sky]

The hardest part to get past is the "going down" part

You gotta ride your peril line with SG up

[untold niche]

so you grill like just like that?
without applying anything? o.o

[patent wing]

yes

[untold niche]

i see

[rigid sky]

And use assails until you realistically can't do any more

[untold niche]

then maybe there could be better tasting meat.

[rigid sky]

And it's so easy to just go over that line and kark yourself

[patent wing]

obv does not work with all meat but its very good with chianina beef

[potent echo]

yea i mean you can be fancy and add some rosemary to the pan or some garlic

[patent wing]

or you could dry age it

[rigid sky]

But a lot of gunkers don't even take Scrier's or Disrupt Destiny

At which point it's like, why

[abstract path]

I have a build with all the stuff to prevent overloading, so even when I do hit 100 on accident, I can hit my t and yank myself off the edge. I have only overloaded 3 to 4 times ever using my psyker, and I have done over 60 missions with her

[rigid sky]

Why not just play a different class lol

[rigid sky]

Yeah. That's the issue with Gunker

You have to use SG instead which is the opposite of Venting Shriek

You have an (explosive) emergency break; gunkers have an afterburner

While you're getting used to it, you will blow yourself up

A lot

Like really a lot

like 5 times in one game, a lot

high skill floor but high skill ceiling

[patent wing]

what perks do you guys run on ur surge

[rigid sky]

I think gunker's the hardest build in the game besides like, idk, thunderhammer or stealth zealot?

[abstract path]

Hmmmm interesting. I have never done gunkers, because as I said, I don't like needing ammo, so I dunno how the builds look. I played around with my build, tried assail, knew I liked it, and that's set for me lol. Once I find a build I like, I don't really stray from it

[rigid sky]

Well lucky you, Assail is key to Gunker too

it's the secret to Gunker's ammo economy

which is, your gun is your secondary weapon

assail is your primary

[patent wing]

if u play solo auric damn its better to use brainburst with flayer i think

[abstract path]

I play the in your face zealot, but seeing a proper stealth zealot build sends chills dude, it's so cool

[rigid sky]

you use your gun once your peril can't be controlled any more

at that point, you have 20% from warp rider

40% from SG

[mortal granite]

I always switched to melee once peril was maxed

[rigid sky]

30% finesse from SG too

[abstract path]

Ohhhhh. I just main my melee. I like my melee in all classes. One of the few games I do. Most games I play a machine gunner build, but in darktide and warframe, melee is my go to

[rigid sky]

15% from disrupt destiny

30% crit damage from disrupt destiny

37.5% headshot damage from disrupt destiny

[patent wing]

100% crit ciag is gud

[rigid sky]

20% crit chance from SG too

[rigid sky]

Yeah, sword also works. Depends on the type of threat you're attacking

if it's a mob of poxwalkers you might as well just start cutting

if it's a boss, a mass of ranged elites, etc, you shoot the karkers

[mortal granite]

I've done it to maulers dodge and stab

[rigid sky]

Ah, you use a deimos or a duelling sword I guess

I always go illisi for gunker

The best defense is being the only bastard left alive

[mortal granite]

Deimos the one that does same damage for heavy and light?

[mortal granite]

Exactly!

[rigid sky]

Deimos is the one with the double stab combo if you go light -> heavy

which oneshots mutants

Illisi is the sweeping force sword

if you're stacked up with SG and DD it just mows everything down without needing to activate

which is good because if you forget and activate anyway you die :)

(Guess how often that happens to me)

[mortal granite]

I use smite and dd and when that fails I start stabbing

[rigid sky]

Yeah, Smite is the other thing I'd consider as being worthwhile for a gunker

I think Assail's a fair bit better, but Smite works too (differently)

[mortal granite]

Smite is great if you need a chance to breathe and reposition

[rigid sky]

It's the one element of the Psyker kit I can't bring myself to really use tbh

but I appreciate it when other people use it well.

setting a crowd up for a shredder frag grenade is awesome

or just to let me mow through with a power sword

[mortal granite]

I used it in auric for a few missions just gotta know how to use it if you use it wrong it's v. Bad

[rigid sky]

I just feel like at that point ammo does actually start to be an issue

since you can rely on assails for like 90% of your damage on gunker usually, even under Scrier's (until you hit like 20 seconds of uptime)

because Assail damage with enough SG and DD stacks is absolutely fucking stupid

[mortal granite]

Smite psyker is very much a support build doing chip damage

[patent wing]

its ok with flame shriek against hordes

[rigid sky]

Trick's to not be a Smite Psyker, but rather to be a Psyker with Smite.

Smite's your secondary or tertiary weapon imo

[mortal granite]

Yeah unfortunately I mailed smite all the way to lvl 30 then realized it had better uses instead of my main weapon

[rigid sky]

On the other hand, the emperor palpatine role-play is fun

"UNLIMITED VERY MUCH LIMITED POWAH"

[mortal granite]

Yes I always say that to myself when using it

[upper sun]

||I have never used smite or SG in about 450 hours of play||

[rigid sky]

Ooh

Magistrati Oubliette I-II-V-E-G is up

time to get gunkering

[mortal granite]

I prefer stabbing

[rigid sky]

Monstrous specials is the prime time for gunker

and enhanced blitz makes assail less likely to kark me up

[mortal granite]

I've stabbed multiple monstrositys as osyker not a good idea tho

[rigid sky]

well that was a miserable experience

speedrun duo just diving off the dead drops and abandoning me and the other psyker every opportunity

400 plasteel collected by the end

literally getting to elevator and then sitting there picking the shit out of their arseholes

[patent wing]

gud training for the solo runs

[rigid sky]

At least I got more space on my block list

[spice veldt]

i know there was a chinese duo who likes to speedrun at this time on NA west

too bad that my block slots are filled with psykers before patch 13

i should probably clear my block list nowadays

[hollow current]

There's no way they can be unaware they can do private matches, right?

[rigid sky]

but then how do they get to show everybody that they're the best at darktide

Everyone knows it doesn't count unless you can berate the people you're leaving behind for being slow

Christ

wish I could brain rupture in real life

[vestal fulcrum]

Players like that indeed exist

I had the misfortune of meeting such a pair, and was for once glad I could block somebody and never meet them and their partner again

[mortal granite]

I always lag a little behind as psyker to make sure nothing is missed and cuz I was mainly support

[hollow current]

I only get annoyed when we're right next to the airlock/elevator and someone hears a special spawn five rooms away and goes to hunt it down rather than take two steps to hop in and let us proceed.

[rigid sky]

I think it's the duo thing, if you have toxic tendencies then you end up having somebody to back you up in them

it's the usual thing with bullies

[mortal granite]

Depending on the distance of the sound if it's echoy I'll leave it if it sounds right around the corner I'll push forward

[rigid sky]

if they're on their own, they're just a snivelling little shit

get them in a group and they're all hard

But like

there's a spectrum of difference between dawdling and dragging

rushing and not giving a shit about your team behind you

and the entire normal middle ground

[mortal granite]

I hate that

[rigid sky]

But yeah, thank you Fatshark for giving us back a functioning blocklist

bastards even had the generic Dolan/Iris names too

Doran even

gotta speedrun character creation too

[mortal granite]

My psykers name is axelle

[rigid sky]

Kragneto :)

I'm actually quite proud of that one

[halcyon gust]

The worst thing to see as a Psyker

[upper sun]

wait i have a recording of that

[supple sedge]

Sparkheads! If you see Ulgo tell him to protec. Will follow sparkhead all game!

[rigid sky]

Well thanks for the vindication everyone anyway

[supple sedge]

Ulgo protec the lil uns

[halcyon gust]

Can always count on Ogryns to keep you safe

[rigid sky]

This is the league of legends tier shit that used to fuck with my mental health a lot

[halcyon gust]

Through hell or high water. They'll save your ass no matter what

[supple sedge]

Agreeed! Ulgo build is to revive little ones even if in middle of horde!

[upper sun]

this is what they were doing

[hollow current]

there's another good one with brain rupture and and inspecting hands I think.

[halcyon gust]

I like how they both stop to stare at you

[supple sedge]

Ulgo krump slaneesh

[plucky flax]

Thanks big guy

[supple sedge]

No problem sparkhead!

[keen fjord]

I mean I guess they had to pass the time waiting for you some how.

[orchid shadow]

Gaaah, Fatshark really needs to let the Brunt sell curios, so I don't have to search for three days to find a +3 Stamina of the appropriate level just for Hadron to just savage it.

[upper sun]

i eventually got one with t4 curroption resistance and that was about as useful as ill ever get

[mental rock]

What do you mean? Ordo dockets is best in slot for curios

[upper sun]

Oh good god....

[untold niche]

i only all caps when that one guy (saw all three of us in elevator and) wants to fight outside the elevator

[orchid shadow]

I'm already at the cap just throwing my dockets at the brunt's face for random crap. 😦 Don't need anymore!

[upper sun]

grim to toughness and gunner to gunner 4?

[orchid shadow]

Ohhh, you got a good one!

[feral verge]

Combat Regen to HP, grim to toughness

5% more gunner resistance won't be felt

[upper sun]

i wanna keep the combat ability tho

[untold niche]

just be like me and run 3x tier4 CDR

u wont regret

trust

[upper sun]

i-i kinda already do

AND I DONT REGRET IT

[untold niche]

then tier 3 cdr to ttier 4
grim to toughness regen ez

🐭

[upper sun]

toughness regen

[untold niche]

or flat toughness up to you

i personally prefer toughness regen cause 3x t4 toughness didn't add that much, i think around 14

i was running one 3x stam and two toughness curio

[upper sun]

but we already have good toughness regen from talents

[untold niche]

my advice is just go into psk and try, and see how much toughness perk actually give u

personally i rather the like doubled toughness regen over 14 flat toughness

its uh up to you really

my usecase for toughness regen si when i am meleeing horde, can't get that much toughness from each kill.

[chrome tulip]

Hasn’t it been confirmed that toughness regen only works on coherency toughness regen and nothing else?

[untold niche]

from what i understand you only passively regen toughness from coherency

the nodes grant you flat toughness on condition, so its not "regen"

check the atheneum anyway

[chrome tulip]

Yes, but not during combat, so it’s of little use to have more regen. Also, more toughness total = more toughness percentage regenerated, I would think

[untold niche]

i think during combat you still get it, so long as you don't get it
and the regen perk reduces the delay when the regen starts.

[untold niche]

dats true, lets say a node grants you 20% per condition
so you go from 20 to 22.8 per instance assuming 100 toughness to 114.

to me thats a small number

[untold niche]

saddest lost ever.
malice, guy didn't untie and instead fought zombies

30 +0

[brave fiber]

psyker already has so many options for toughness replenishment, I don’t see a lot of value in toughness regen in curios

[plucky flax]

I run toughness regen.

[brave fiber]

I like having more stamina regen and stamina on every class

Is nice

[untold niche]

agent

malice is harder than a5histg

i can make mistakes there

i can't make mistakes on malice

🐭

[rigid sky]

Thing is

trappers get more dangerous on malice

since nobody'll karkin help you

[brave fiber]

nah man that’s universal on every difficulty

joining a pub has an unwritten agreement that you forfeit your eyes and ears

[untold niche]

exactry sir

on a5histg usually TWO of them will hero dive in to save the other duide

[radiant frigate]

played pubs with a friend today, no one else moved a muscle when he went down

(i managed to save him but i would prefer knowing that i'm not completely alone)

[rotund fable]

Well this looks like a solid mission reward... shame i dont know how to build a laspistol...

[hollow current]

I use the other one but for gunker I do flak and unyielding. Dum dum and either infernus or raking fire.

[rotund fable]

So, what you're saying is, if i want to try laspistol gunker, i should use this instead?

[hollow current]

Hey that one is pretty good. I did some quick testing a while ago and I think the II has better DPS on bosses over the X. That said it isn't by much more than 10-15%?

[supple sedge]

Why sparkhead not use shovel?

[hollow current]

Go with whichever feels better for you.

[rotund fable]

Because brunt wont sell me one.

[supple sedge]

Ulgo talk to machine. Or Ulgo buy big one for you

[rotund fable]

That would be much apreciated sweet brute

[supple sedge]

Always ready to help Sparkhead

[thick ibex]

how exactly does blowing myself up while using the powers work?

sometimes when i get it on 100% i don't blow up

sometimes i do

[dim parrot]

getting to 100% doesn't blow u up, its what u do afterwards does

[hollow current]

you splode if you cast at 100%

[thick ibex]

Ahaaaa

[supple sedge]

Thinking to much make Ulgo head hurt too

[thick ibex]

Felt that honestly

[hollow current]

No more thinking, Ulgo. Only smashing.

[rotund fable]

That's why veteran says to leave the thinking to morrow and his assistant.

[supple sedge]

Okay sparkhead. Ulgo smash heretic now

[rotund fable]

I should really try getting a new revolver... this one is good yes, but the reload speed and the scuffed perk are felt at higher level missions.

[supple sedge]

Who care. You enjoy? No need reroll. If get better then use other okay sparkhead?

[rotund fable]

I suppose you're right sweet brute

[supple sedge]

Thank you sparkhead

[rotund fable]

I have this in the meantime anyway, and it really ruins the Bulwarks and Ragers days.

[lucid flicker]

dey keep on lettin me get hit 'nsteada freein me from de trappa.

[supple sedge]

They are not tough like us pal

Squishy and teeny

Have to clear way before

[rotund fable]

Veterans can toss a grenade in the general direction to help clear

and zealots have napalm

[supple sedge]

But if only sparkhead up.

[lucid flicker]

itz a sombah sanguinala.

[supple sedge]

Sanguinala today?

[lucid flicker]

feelz like it.

[supple sedge]

Oh... Ulgo confused

[lucid flicker]

is actually in a month i think.

[supple sedge]

oh... what is month?

[lucid flicker]

Big bunch of days.

[supple sedge]

Like group?

Heretic are group... so month heretic?

[lucid flicker]

imperium is bigger group, stomps heretics flat like tiny smelly rat

[supple sedge]

But a shouty ulgo like is possum! Ulgo not krump him!

[lucid flicker]

team is group, team is good

[paper harbor]

That work sound like ork use

Krump

[lucid flicker]

digganobz

[supple sedge]

Krump mean stomp yes?

[paper harbor]

Yes

Ork use it

[supple sedge]

Okay... Ulgo confused?

You think Ulgo ork?

Ulgo ogryn

Ulgo have proof

[paper harbor]

Yes…

[supple sedge]

Is art of Ulgo that pal made

Ulgo is ogryn

Ulgo like Nekl. Is nice sparkhead

[paper harbor]

👍 agreed

[thick ibex]

Ulgo is looking like a gentle friendly sort of a chap

[rotund fable]

Well then... thankyou for the tabletop-accurate Lasgun i suppose...

this was a mission reward

for a quickplay where me and the ogryn had to babysit 2 knife-zealots who had no idea what they were doing

[radiant frigate]

the more knife users a match has, the worse it gets

[rotund fable]

A good knife zealot can do work, but the issue is that knife zealots are either god-like or god-awful, and there is no in between.

[radiant frigate]

much like myself

(humble btw)

[rotund fable]

one of them Literally hid in a corner while the rest of us held down the choke point in the amphitheater on the carnival mission...

[zinc phoenix]

That’s a pretty good meme tho

Like if I saw someone do that I’d be entertained

[patent wing]

id liket to run assail and bb and give up staff for it

fs pls

[radiant frigate]

"yes, i'm sure there's something fascinating over there.."

[dawn spoke]

bro had agoraphobia be nice to him

[thick ibex]

i mean, at least he was safe from flanking

[hollow jolt]

A trapper nets him through the wall behind him UwU

[rotund fable]

A dog went around us and b-lined for him... we didnt even know he was hidng in that corner until we got the notification (it was a high intensity shock-troop gauntlet)

[patent wing]

HAAADROON

[rotund fable]

I mean... if you get nexus 3 or up you can just swap the 2 perks out...

and it would be pretty solid

[patent wing]

yeah but i kinda doubt it

in the worst case i will leave weak spot dmg as it is

then at least i can kill nurgle fast, which sprint eff doesnt help with

i just want a perfect surge with flak and unyielding :(

[rotund fable]

This is my surge

[rustic hare]

Does the deflector blessing block snipers? I feel like they knock me down even when I'm blocking with it

[upper sun]

nah it doesnt block it

[rustic hare]

Thanks

[upper sun]

i found out the hard way 😢

[patent wing]

reee

1 million dockets for nothing

[upper sun]

F

they need to remove barrage from the game i swear to god

[patent wing]

yeah

also they should remove sprint efficiency from staves

[half iron]

if hadron bricks another stub i would turn her head into cadia (for inquisition records, i am joking)

[upper sun]

inquisition be dammed if i dont get a good deimos ill actually do it

[radiant frigate]

illisi

[half iron]

hadron actually spared me from her omnissiah’s wrath in my quest for a good deimos

the stub though, she’s a meaniehead.

[radiant frigate]

hadron is okay

she gave me an alright agri today

[half iron]

“hadron is okay” mfs hiding their supply of terrifying barrages behind the thin layer of drywall

[radiant frigate]

i'm pondering surge staff

[dapper totem]

What do you think of the base stats? This is the staff I used back about when the game launched

[upper sun]

can you inspect it? whats the actual charge rate per second?

[radiant frigate]

could use some bigger numbers but otherwise fine methinks

[dapper totem]

Like this?

[dapper totem]

In practice it seemed to charge sufficiently, but I haven't taken it into Damnation yet since I'm so rusty with Psyker

[upper sun]

thats not bad imo the one i use is 1.02 not much of a difference with charge speed

[willow hazel]

thats like 15% slower than a perfect roll

[dapper totem]

orly

[upper sun]

you need elite flak on it or flak crit

they changed surge a lot its not a cc staff anymore

[willow hazel]

not flak crit

[dapper totem]

Yeah that's what I've been told, though the Heresy game I ran it on last night, it seemed like it could still do okay-ish with CC. I need more experience with larger hordes to know

[willow hazel]

flak 100%, then elite/maniac/unyielding. Infested isn't that bad either.

[upper sun]

surge is ideal for insta popping elites so youre kinda frontlineish

[dapper totem]

I'm not that experienced but flak + maniac, then a higher level terrifying barrage, seem appealing.

[radiant frigate]

pretty good thanks kevin

[radiant frigate]

surge is very single-targety

[willow hazel]

terrifying barrage is bad

[radiant frigate]

i do not recommend it on hordes

unless you are using it to supercharge your perils to blast them with flame shriek

in which case

[dapper totem]

Last night I was running brain burst which was fun

[dapper totem]

I generally think so but I found it handy last night while dealing with chaff.

[feral verge]

you thought it was handy

guarantee it's not

because here's the thing

all staves already supress heavily

without terrifying barrage

[thick ibex]

do psykers get a bolter? or only veterans and zealots do

[feral verge]

vet and zealot only

[willow hazel]

the zarona revlover is basically a better bolter

[thick ibex]

unfortunate

[feral verge]

psyker doesnt get brauto (brace auto guns), or shotguns either

[thick ibex]

i am more of a heavy pistol user

[dapper totem]

So even if that random blessing wasn't on there, enemies all around me would've been suppressed regardless? Hm.

[feral verge]

pretty much

useless blessing

i would take any tier 1 blessing over t4 terrifying barrage

[radiant frigate]

surge has a really low amount of belssings anyway, no?

[willow hazel]

yup super easy to craft

[radiant frigate]

like, what, barrage, flurry, nexus, run and gun and focused channeling on 2 and 3?

[dapper totem]

What blessings would you recommend?

[radiant frigate]

flurry nexus

[willow hazel]

flurry/nexus

[feral verge]

you want something like this

[dapper totem]

I threw it into Hadron's gacha machine and it's got these on it now.

[feral verge]

flak, maniac, elite, carapace are all good choices

[feral verge]

1/4. pretty much bricked

low charge rate

that thing was doomed from the start

[willow hazel]

nah infested is fine. It gives one shots on dogs and poxbursters

[upper sun]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-is-the-game-was-rigged-from-the-start-fallout-new-vegas-gif-14316695

[dapper totem]

The charge rate seemed fine in practice, and someone else mentioned the differences aren't all that much.

[willow hazel]

the charge rate is like 10% worse, which matters but not that much

[feral verge]

roll something higher level

so that you have a better chance getting t4 blessings

[radiant frigate]

is maniac flak the go-to for almost everything now

feels like it

[dapper totem]

I plan on it. Given how it is now though, what changes would anyone recommend? Just swap out the two blessings?

[feral verge]

i recommend rolling 350-360+

[feral verge]

swap terrifying barrage for warp nexus, swap groaner damage for flak

[dapper totem]

What do people like for melee weapons on Psyker? I found this in the shop, how is it?

[radiant frigate]

deimos is a good sidearm to horde clear staff options

[upper sun]

deimos illisi and duelling sword mk4 however idk about the first target stat

[sacred crane]

illisi sword or the deimos sword? tryna choose

[upper sun]

spending on you ranged weapon

[sacred crane]

voidstrike

[upper sun]

then i would go illisi

[worn beacon]

Probably illisi

It's really matter of your staff all the time

Deimos for single target demolition

Illisi for horde clear

[radiant frigate]

what do we think, chat

[sacred crane]

is this good or no?

[radiant frigate]

brickus maximus, or brickus minimus?

[upper sun]

yeah its good

[upper sun]

usable imo

[radiant frigate]

37% warp resistance be like "i power up once and a daemon appears"

[radiant frigate]

my instinct is to keep the crit chance, and put flak and nexus on

[upper sun]

yeah

[radiant frigate]

wanted to get a second opinion

[worn beacon]

@feral verge whatchu think? Yay or nay stats?

[upper sun]

its not just my opinion its the guides too

[upper sun]

thats pretty much perfect

[worn beacon]

Gotta need plasteel to be disappointed

[dapper totem]

Is run and gun useful on a staff at all?

[sacred crane]

actually wait is this better?

[upper sun]

theyre both good

you want damage+first target then finesse then mobility then warp res

[worn beacon]

What do I need for the blessings and bonuses on purgatus again?

[willow hazel]

does first target really matter? It doesn't affect the charge attacks

[worn beacon]

Flak is like essential I heard

[sacred crane]

yes it does, unlike damage first target is how much your damage scales with the first enemy hit

if you have low first target, it will do barely any damage

[dapper totem]

What Curios make sense for Psyker?

[upper sun]

flak and crit or unyielding maybe or maniac

[spice veldt]

illisi is bugged such that first target doesn't affect the special attacks

[willow hazel]

yeah that is how I remember it working

[radiant frigate]

so you're telling me illisi is supposed to be stronger than it is?

[willow hazel]

so first target only affects uncharged lights and heavies, which aren't used for single target anyway

[spice veldt]

mayhaps

[sacred crane]

not bad hadron not bad

[upper sun]

nice

[sacred crane]

gonna get more plasteel

im probably gonna switch unyielding or flak out for maniac but hey

still good roll so far

[worn beacon]

Not flak

Flak should stay

[upper sun]

ye flak is good

wait till you get the last blessing then well see

[sacred crane]

what blessings should i hope for?

[upper sun]

slaughter uncanny executioner all good

deflector is also great imo

[sacred crane]

im keeping deflector because FUCK GUNNERS

[thick ibex]

dunno how this stuff works, i just like upgrades

but how's this?

[upper sun]

dont upgrade stuff until you're level 30

[sacred crane]

honestly, dont use plasteel on low stat weapons

wait till level 30

[thick ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/upgrades-robots-gif-21291099

but i'll keep that in mind

i just had lots of the scroll thingies, so i started buying what i could lol

[willow hazel]

the crafting costs scale off rating, so it's actually pretty cheap to upgrade low level weapons

[thick ibex]

ahaaaa

thanks

[willow hazel]

yeah don't feel bad about it, it's a very small loss of plasteel

[worn beacon]

Is buying blue brunt weapons to earn blessings a good idea?

[feral verge]

looks good to me

[rigid sky]

If it's a blessing is good, take it

But usually he only has Is and IIs

I usually get greys and greens from him

[static needle]

Not bricked yet, right? Unarmored is good since its a horde weapon

[radiant frigate]

after playing with surge for 1-2 matches i have to say

i kind of regret dropping a few hundred thousand dockets on it

[static needle]

quell speed is not a dump stat, so nay. If anything a mix of quell and warp generation is dump

[upper sun]

which surge did you use?

[static needle]

ye flurry is more useful for voidstrike

[radiant frigate]

no i mean the staff

surge blessing is core for me

[static needle]

lol

[static needle]

for voidstrike, surge isnt consistent enough with crits to keep up the pressure of flurry

[upper sun]

thats clearly a voidstrike staff

[upper sun]

but it looks good to me

[static needle]

@upper sun Opinions on this?

[radiant frigate]

it's not the staff itself that is the issue

but rather the amount of time spent with the staff out

it is uncomfortable

[upper sun]

uncanny 3 is fine but you need a good second blessing

[static needle]

unarmored tho

comment on this?

[radiant frigate]

don't really care i don't usually chaincast with it, plus i run true aim

[upper sun]

you have not yet learned how to curve lightnening yet

[radiant frigate]

what's that

[upper sun]

its used a clear weapon mainly so you need flak and maniac for the flak basic mobs

[upper sun]

when you time your secondary just right it can still lock onto enemies when theyre behind cover

[static needle]

flak, yes, maniac, no

basic hordes are unarmored and flak

[upper sun]

if a rager or a mauler gets in your face you need to end it asap

[static needle]

revolver

this is for a revolver build

[upper sun]

it already clears fine so it doesnt really need unarmored

[static needle]

and i dont let them get in my face to begin with

[upper sun]

if you dont have a problem with them sure

[static needle]

90% of the time using illisi, im engaging basic hordes

[upper sun]

well it should do fine even without a second blessing

[static needle]

i mean, what are BiS blessings for illisi? not counting deflector cause thats a crutch blessing imo

[upper sun]

executor slaughter are both great

[static needle]

shred maybe?

executor? wtf

no

executor is dog

[upper sun]

shred is not all that great i have one with it

[static needle]

slaughterer is mandatory, executor really isnt imo

i mean

wont it be way better against basic flak enemies with uncanny?

so in that way, uncanny is BiS right?

[upper sun]

i mean for a secondary blessing

[static needle]

ik

but im asking about uncanny

[upper sun]

but even without uncanny it does fine against flak

[static needle]

how much of a dmg increase is uncanny for flak?

[upper sun]

this is the one i use

[upper sun]

i have no idea but it also helps soulblaze stacks do more damage thats why its also nice

[static needle]

huh?

[upper sun]

wait oops wrong build

[static needle]

so you mean to attack enemies that already have soulblaze on em?

[upper sun]

with THIS one yeah

[static needle]

no slaughterer insta unusable

[upper sun]

it does fine without it

[static needle]

this thing is for mixed hordes, not single targets

[static needle]

it could be amazing with it

and that finesse value hurts too... I think its the most impactful dmg stat besides first target, but idk

[upper sun]

this one is my deimos substitute anyways

i use it with purge

well used i changed from it to dsmk4

[feral verge]

He is referring to this:

im assuming you dont know aobut soulblaze + uncanny strike, so here is my copy pasta from yesterday about it
[7:55 AM]
uncanny strike is very important, and very powerful. uncanny strike will allow you to melt elite packs and bosses with soulblaze
[7:55 AM]
you see a boss/elite pack, you set them on fire with purga staff, with idk 1-3 gusts of fire (that will put 15 stacks of soulblaze on them. then you use venting shriek fire ult at 84% peril (aka ascendant blaze) on them, adding an additional 6 stacks of soulblaze, for a total of 21. then, you swap to your melee with uncanny strike, and attack the boss, or one of the many elites in the head, proccing uncanny strike, which now gives your soulblaze rending capabilities. furthermore, deimos with uncanny + executor blessings will stack FOUR TIMES in one special light attack to the head of even a trash enemy

[worn beacon]

Engaging Mankar protocol

[feral verge]

The masses must be informed

[radiant frigate]

executor is just mild slaughterer (that triggers on headshot)

[static needle]

and that disappears on any missed hit

its dog

[radiant frigate]

does it now

i thought that was fixed

[worn beacon]

Just hit keep hitting the head

Duh

[feral verge]

It's not dog shit

I've used it thoroughly

[static needle]

its not good either or worth picking if u can avoid it

[feral verge]

It's best used on deimos

On illisi id rather have slaughter + uncanny strike/unstable power

[static needle]

Not true at all

uncanny is best on deimos

and slaughterer

[feral verge]

false

[static needle]

true

[feral verge]

slaughterer shines best on horde clear weapons

deimos is not hordeclear

at most you are killing 1 or 2 elites and switching off

[radiant frigate]

hm

turns out executor does vanish when you miss heads

[feral verge]

uncanny + executor stack FOUR TIMEs in one special light attack

which can easily be done, even in a horde

without getting hit

[worn beacon]

Sometimes I don't even need to switch to deimos

[feral verge]

if you think it's dogshit, i can guarantee you haven't actually used it for a meaningful amount of time, if at all

back i nthe day, yeah it was awful

[worn beacon]

Elites sometimes suddenly die idk why

[feral verge]

but it isnt anymore

[worn beacon]

Probably because of fire spam idk

[feral verge]

in a horde, you will float around 2-5 stacks

hitting heads isn't too hard so

you are running around with 30% power and 5 stacks of uncanny most of the time

it makes a meaningful difference, much more than slaughterer ever would on deimos

[static needle]

Yes but you will miss every few hit or so and then all stacks are gone

i could more easily see it on illisi

[torpid girder]

im a little dumb but couldn't u do the same thing with a duelling sword by just hitting the elite once or twice in the head and instantly killing them without being stuck in a special attack animation

[feral verge]

and boom you instanly get 4 back when you need it

[static needle]

since horizontal attacks

[radiant frigate]

but then you're locking yourself into a special

i am definitely team "executor is dog"

[feral verge]

you aren't dumb, but this argument is not about dueling sword. also dueling sword does not have executor

[radiant frigate]

it's needlessly stupid in how it works

[feral verge]

you can dodge out of it if needed, at stamina cost

[radiant frigate]

yes but then you waste the damage of it

[feral verge]

so it's not really a huge make or break commitment

[worn beacon]

I see no problems hitting heads with horizontal

[radiant frigate]

when deimos actually doesn't even need the special to kill armor/elites

[worn beacon]

Maybe it's just my mordhau experience kicking in

[feral verge]

idc about the damage, i usually light special a poxwalker to get insta 4 stacks of uncanny and executor, then i go to town on the elites

[static needle]

thats exactly what im saying. Executor is not good at all on deimos cause of the semi vertical light chains

[feral verge]

wat

we are stabbing heads

[static needle]

u can get the same damage and higher if u just stack some uncanny by light spamming a horde

[worn beacon]

Use special
Stab head
Spam fire after that

[static needle]

too much preperation. gotta get swinging instantly, and uncanny dmg is nuts on armor too

[radiant frigate]

couldn't you do mostly the same with unstable power though

or slaughterer

for that matter

[static needle]

2 shot crusher with DD

[feral verge]

unstable power is annoying to maintain in a prolonged fight

[worn beacon]

Me when I see 6 crushers die to soulblaze

[static needle]

true i think i agree

[feral verge]

you have to activate special special and quickswap multiple times

i used to be uncanny + unstable team

but executor really is the way

[worn beacon]

Slaughterer works better on illisi
Executor works better on deimos

[feral verge]

deimos is a single target weapon, and executor is great for single targets, such as bosses

[worn beacon]

Simple as that

[feral verge]

no need to be mid boss fight and be like "aww wish i had slaughterer stacks up" or "awww wait a minute mr plogryn let me kill some poxwalkers for max dmg"

[tired estuary]

they're diagonal and the headshot for them is v generous

[feral verge]

you just stab the head and get the benefits with the least amount of effort

[worn beacon]

Also how do you even miss a headshot in horde

[tired estuary]

short kings and queens on weapons that don't have said generous headshot hitbox ig

you know, weapons that mostly don't have executor anyways

[static needle]

it does happen, wierd, i know. On horizontal slash weapons its almost impossible to miss

[worn beacon]

It's that type of situation when being blindfolded and shooting all directions you would hit all shots

[feral verge]

look how many times the blessing procc'd

[static needle]

the thing that makes uncanny better than executor is you dont lose the stacks on miss

[feral verge]

uncanny is better than executor

[worn beacon]

Just use uncanny and executor

[feral verge]

but i am saying the optimal deimos has uncanny + executor

[worn beacon]

Makes deimos good

[feral verge]

deimos was good without executor, already

[tired estuary]

losing the stacks doesn't matter lmao

[feral verge]

executor is icing on the cake

it is incredibly easy to get stacks back of executor

easier than slaughterer

there wont always be trash enemies for you to kill

[static needle]

werent u trying to argue that it was better before for deimos?

[feral verge]

i've had many moments--as im sure you have--where there are little to no trash enemies around, but there are 57 ragers/maulers/crushers in a pack

[feral verge]

never once did i say executor was better than uncanny

i was responding to you saying that executor was dogshit

when it very much is not

[static needle]

Okidoke apologies for the misunderstanding 🙂

[feral verge]

no worries

if i was forced to choose, i would pick uncanny

[worn beacon]

I wanna know people's opinion on smite

[feral verge]

i dislike it

[worn beacon]

I mostly saw it as support tool for your team

[tired estuary]

I wish most players wouldn't use it but it's fine if you do shit that actually does dmg too

[feral verge]

josho put it best when he said that it puts you in a contract with your enemies that states that neither of you get to do anything for a few seconds

most smite psykers are useless, too

[worn beacon]

I use smite on gunker

😬

[tired estuary]

its fine actually, smite on gunker for like dealing with bulwark mobs or w/e

and b/c you just don't feel like using the JO crystals

[worn beacon]

I basically mostly use it to ramp up peril for dmg

[median elk]

Smite is AMAZING if you drop down to the next map segment and suddenly find yourself back against the wall staring down 21 crushers.
It's undesirable in almost any other scenario.

[tired estuary]

assail is good for ramping up quickly you just mash for a bit and quickswap

like smite with venting shriek sure, you blow up hordes anyways instead of holding them spread out so it takes time for somebody else to clear them

[worn beacon]

Doesn't assail loses out the +33% dmg resist on high peril talent?

[wind spruce]

No

[rotund fable]

I just used smite to keep a whole conga-line of crushers and scab ragers in place and stuck at a choke-point hallway... and our plasma-gun veteran decided to redirect his fire away from the choke and at the pox-burster that the zealot said they were dealing with over mic... killing the zealot with the explosion, and using the last bit of ammo in his clip...

I hate quickplay sometimes...

[wind spruce]

It locks you out of 5% CDR on elite/special kill (for whole team)

[static needle]

assail has nothing to do with any kind of dmg resist buffs

[worn beacon]

Plasmagun vets

I hate em

[static needle]

this can actually be good if youre using an autogun and are good at getting ur toughness back with mettle and other synergies. Its kinda like using voidstrike, you dont want assail alongside that staff since it already does the same thing but better

[worn beacon]

And I am a vet main

[static needle]

I wouldnt wanna use smite for a lasgunker since the toughness regen from mettle is just not fast enough compared to colomnus

oh and btw if yall didnt already know this, NEVER ever use any of the smite subtalents, lightning storm doesnt work on charge attack and enfeeble is trash

xd

[torpid girder]

okay that makes sense :)

[static needle]

smite is good cause it takes no point investments to be great at its job

[torpid girder]

how many smite psykers does it take to power the mourningstar

[worn beacon]

Yeah I use CIAG

[static needle]

💀

[static needle]

sick, and do u also run crit aura? i feel like the more crit, the better, cause you wanna be able to proc mettle as often as u can without smite

[rotund fable]

I set the man up for a sick collateral, and instead of deleting the 5 crushers and 10+ ragers, the man did a 180 to troll our zealot (who was running hammer and bolter)

[worn beacon]

I don't remember tbf

[worn beacon]

Hammers are good tho

Not sure on Bolter

[feral verge]

a fuckload because most have a mind that functions at 6 guinea-pig power

[rotund fable]

I didnt say hammers were bad, i was saying what weapons he was running. guy only pulled out the bolter to fight bosses though, which i thought was a bit odd.

[thick ibex]

been wondering, i have been only using the brain rupture so far and in the talents i focused on it, but how are the other two? the lighting and the shards/knives or something

[static needle]

bolter is A tier gun on veteran if used with surgical to pick off targets instead of playing it like a magdumping weapon like the space marine circlejerkers would do

[worn beacon]

It wasn't justified trolling since it wasn't knife zealot I meant

[static needle]

smite (the lightning blitz) is good if you are up against a wall and need to keep things still to get your teammates time to kill things, otherwise smite is just bad as the only thing it does is keep targets still any doesnt kill anything reliably. Assail (flying knives) is great if your build has a hole to fill for horde clear capability, otherwise its not worth running.

[elfin roost]

Smite is mid

[thick ibex]

i see, thanks

[static needle]

For example, assail is not good to pair with the following weapons: Voidstrike staff, trauma staff, purgatus staff. @thick ibex

[thick ibex]

i run the chainsword and a heavy pistol

[rotund fable]

So, smite lets you fire a stream of lightning that chains to other nearby enemies, doing a small amount of damage over time, but the lightning stuns pretty much anything that's not a boss, and is great for corwd control.

Assail is basically D&D magic missile, you toss them out and they will home on on whatever your courser is pointed at, dealing moderate damage per hit. They also can go through multiple enemies when talent points are invested, and are super spamable.

[thick ibex]

but i think the brain rupture is the best, just blowing up stronger and bigger enemies

[static needle]

when youre up against a wall cause of subpar position skills, it becomes S tier

[thick ibex]

or snipers afar

[elfin roost]

Smite is preparing for failure in the literal sense

[static needle]

only for staves, not for gunker. Scriers + DS4 or deimos will annihilate armor

[wind spruce]

This is wrong. Assail is great with void.

[static needle]

yeah i guess but you dont need brainburst either, read above

[elfin roost]

Yeah thats true

[thick ibex]

those are too smart words for me, i need a translator

[static needle]

This is false. Voidstrike is just as good at doing what assail does with paramount positioning and aiming skills.

I speak from personal testing experience: you dont need assail if u already have voidstrike. especially not if you have flurry on voidstrike

[long wharf]

void is a great pairing with Assail

[static needle]

no it is not, if youre good

[elfin roost]

With staves and blitz on Psyker, usually you don't want both for the same job

[rotund fable]

"Gunker" is "gun psyker", Ds4 is the mk4 dueling sword, and Deimos is a type of force sword

[long wharf]

yes it is, especially if you're good

[static needle]

agree to disagree

[mighty olive]

i run assail, shriek, void and it's the best overall build for psyker imo

[long wharf]

indeed

[static needle]

voidstrike is far better at horde clear

[hollow current]

heres a picture that explains scriers gaze

[wind spruce]

It's really not lol. Assail helps you deal with dispersed enemies where voidstrike is weak

[thick ibex]

aaaaahhh, thanks

[static needle]

you just bowling ball thru everything and line it up

[long wharf]

void doesn't stagger lock groups of spread out gunners

assail doesn't do shit to carapace

[thick ibex]

damn, for some reason i refuse to use the staff lol, not as badass as a pistol

[mighty olive]

steam can you not be down right now jfc

[long wharf]

they complement each other very well

[static needle]

doesnt need to do that. Snipe them with voidstrike using flurry and theyll be dead quick. Or use shield

This is my voidstrike build. It is god tier

[long wharf]

no need for shield when they're staggered and then dead

I absolutely hate Smite

[static needle]

Vent isnt as good as shield since voidstrike can already destroy hordes as is

[static needle]

same

[wind spruce]

Except that when you're surrounded by gunners you can't just do that. Whip assail out and keep yourself protected will killing them MUCH faster than void will

[thick ibex]

might as well try the knive thingies, seem pretty cool if upgraded

[static needle]

imagine getting surrounded by gunners... this is a skill issue or a "not-using-shield" issue imho

[wind spruce]

This is a full on clown comment.

[static needle]

Voidstrike does destroy hordes

[long wharf]

void does decent against hordes

[static needle]

Vent might be slightly better but its not worth picking for that reason imo

[mighty olive]

assail is very quick and good horde clear, it will clear everything but crusher/mauler/boss, voidstrike clears crusher/mauler/boss

[wind spruce]

Imagine playing such a boring defensive style that you're never surrounded

[static needle]

No it doesnt. It annihilates them if your positioning is right.

[static needle]

I dont either

[long wharf]

oh brother

[static needle]

I run shield so i can run up to em

[wind spruce]

Not to mention gunners also just spawn from behind etc during tons of events.

[long wharf]

know what? I don't have the energy to argue with you, as I haven't even launched Darktide in two weeks

[mighty olive]

@long wharf sometimes you can't talk sense into peoples XD

[long wharf]

I have more productive things to do

[wind spruce]

It's not worth it, they've been spitting out garbage opinions all day

[long wharf]

I'll come back to Darktide next impactful patch

between my project and Last Epoch, time is fully accounted for

[obsidian citrus]

i have several psyker builds using a lot of the abilities theyre all pretty cool EXCEPT SCRIERS GAZE

[wind spruce]

That's not the part of the comment that's clownlike. It's thinking shriek is only for hordes

[static needle]

Speak sense...? I am legit speaking from experience in saying that voidstrike is amazing at horde clear compared to vent. Ive compared the two multiple times.

[static needle]

I know its not, but what shriek does for elites, voidstrike can also do

[mighty olive]

use both! bestest horde clear!

[long wharf]

shrieking vent will clear out a horde far faster than void can on damnation

6 stacks of soulblaze wipes the horde

and it works through geometry

[wind spruce]

You know you can use both at once, right? Shriek a horde behind you while killing other things in front, etc, etc

[static needle]

Imo shield is preferable for voidstrike as the horde clear on void alone is enough. Shield also helps out with sniping gunners and other stuff, and negates flamers and bombers

[obsidian citrus]

both voidstrike and venting shreik are good

[static needle]

yes

[mighty olive]

i'll post my build when i get in, i have zero problems clearing anything on auric with it

[wind spruce]

You're literally arguing assail AND shriek aren't worth it with void, so what you're running BB/smite and shield

[mighty olive]

assail/shriek/void are best combo imo

[long wharf]

I'm not saying that there isn't overlap between void and assail

[wind spruce]

What a garbage build.

[rotund fable]

I use a surge-smite build on quickplays because I don't trust randoms to be any decent.

[static needle]

idk what to tell you, the numbers speak for themselves

[thick ibex]

this is some hard meta discussion going on here lol

[long wharf]

but that they cover each other's deficiencies

aaaaand I'm getting sucked into the convo

[wind spruce]

Yes and the numbers say that's a garbage build

[mighty olive]

run!

[long wharf]

I made the mistake of checking in on the discord server

[static needle]

Scoreboard numbers is what im referring to. and they do speak to the efficiency of the build

[mighty olive]

i did the same XD

[obsidian citrus]

I'd rather go brain burst

[long wharf]

I think you're stalking me...

[mighty olive]

am not!

you just tend to make the most sense xD we have a lot of the same views in this chat

[long wharf]

seems that way

[wind spruce]

They speak more to the efficiency of using a non-garbage build

[long wharf]

called "having a brain"

anywho, if you like ARPGs, Last Epoch is quite good

it's very clearly an indie title, but the devs have put a metric shit ton of love and care into the systems

it's an absolute love letter to ARPG fans

[mighty olive]

friend has been talking about last epoch for a while, i'll probably end up playing it at some point

[long wharf]

the devs play it regularly as well

[static needle]

here is the core of what im trying to argue with the voidstrike build: Assail is not worth picking firstly due to the amazing hordeclear and elite killing ability of voidstrike if you position yourself well. And the second reason is that you're dropping psykinetics aura for it. If you use both voidstrike and vent, assail is overkill and will only increase the cooldown of vent by likely double the time.

[dapper totem]

So far in the 5-ish games of Psyker I've played (Having not played him since launch) I'm finding myself not using the brain burst thing almost ever.

I've used it on mini bosses and it seems like it's useful there

[long wharf]

because BB is very niche

[dapper totem]

Am I just playing it wrong, or should I grab something other than the BB

[static needle]

Do you have ways to kill crushers and gunners already at all ranges? then you dont need it

[obsidian citrus]

it's good for ogryns

[long wharf]

unless you absolutely love the blitz, there's no reason to take it

[dapper totem]

I've been using the lightning staff, and it certainly kills crushers effectively up close.

[worn beacon]

What about making it useful with EP?

[long wharf]

I never liked BB enough to run it with EP, even to test

[worn beacon]

Two shotting crushers seems like a good plan

[dapper totem]

Though that's a good point. If I have to take out a sniper at any point, my slow ass magic ball attack is probably not a great option.

[mighty cipher]

Im trying to squeeze use out of the surge staff and it's not working

How the fuck does this thing work

[static needle]

I do run it for trauma since it can help kills snipers and the odd far away gunner. Trauma also already does more than assail can accomplish for elite-killing so thats why I also run psykinetics aura for this staff.

[worn beacon]

Lock on BB on sniper
Jump into cover

[dapper totem]

Yup, that's why I'm inclined to keep BB

But maybe I'm wrong in that view.

[long wharf]

trauma does not accomplish more than assail at elite killing

[static needle]

can already do that with voidstrike, trauma staff, deimos sword, etc.

[long wharf]

trauma is absolutely safer

but not faster

[static needle]

i would say that does make it the better option since it also trips all of them

it allows you to take them out of the fight faster than assail even if it doesnt outright kill them

[worn beacon]

I'd like to kill crusher before he approaches me

And purgatus ain't doing that

[static needle]

Trauma or voidstrike then

[worn beacon]

I don't use neither

[static needle]

cant help ya then

[obsidian citrus]

could run BB w purg

[static needle]

i mean theres one last option

revolver with surgical + hand cannon

[mighty olive]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b70901c-dafe-47b1-b1d2-23c36ed9011b/voidshriekassail

dats my void/shriek/assail build

minus curios cause whatever

[radiant frigate]

splendid news, siblings

[worn beacon]

You don't need to help me because BB does the job I want it to do

[radiant frigate]

i managed to catch the entire conversation segment

[worn beacon]

It kills elites and specials from afar

[static needle]

I think I might see why you dont think voidstrike is enough on its own: not running disrupt destiny. Could I ask, have youve used DD before on voidstrike? Its ridiculous xD

[worn beacon]

It does exactly what I need it to do

[worn beacon]

Both on Warp Siphon and EP

[mighty olive]

tbh i think dd is rubbish atm, the build i run is carrying not only me, but most often my team just fine

[radiant frigate]

i think dd is great but i also have an extremely limited view on how to do things

[static needle]

Well Im sorry to break the news but DD is currently psykers best keystone due to the sheer damage it gets you. Have you seen the dmg numbers? Also, its not hard at all to keep up if youre playing correctly with it.

[radiant frigate]

i think keeping up dd would be much easier if i didn't have to outrun bullets to get to my targets

[rigid sky]

If you're trying to primarily upkeep DD with melee, no wonder it doesn't work for you

[wind spruce]

This is never a problem

[feral verge]

you just have to damage them

[mighty olive]

alright that's your opinion and that's cool, i have mine XD i have no issue carrying a team with my build

[feral verge]

if someone else kills them, you still get dd

[mighty olive]

and i have the build of all 3 worlds in my build, i'm happy

[static needle]

same

[radiant frigate]

well yes but sometimes stacks drop and reacquiring them may not be the easiest thing

team-dependent

[mighty olive]

1300 hours on psyker, the heck do i know XD

[torpid girder]

but warp charges lets you shout ult dialogue lines more which makes u feel cooler :)

[static needle]

based argument

xd

[radiant frigate]

warp charges also require me to spend a third of my talent points to acquire

not a fan

[worn beacon]

I love having a fus ro da that burns the entire horde away

[torpid girder]

although i realize i've never run scrier's gaze b4 so idk any of the lines

[mighty olive]

it does have cool voicelines

but i can't stand gunker XD

[wind spruce]

Yeah I don't like warp charges on void for pretty much just that reason, getting warp charges + true aim leaves you with no points to spend at the top of the tree

[static needle]

this tbh. Only worth it on trauma imo since it generates A LOT of peril. Warps should not be picked if youre already running the following: voidstrike/purgatus/guns with battle meditation, vent, psykinetics aura

[worn beacon]

«YOU'RE ALL GOING TO DIE! ISN'T THAT NICE?!» - Male Loner SG

[radiant frigate]

YOU SHOULD BE RUNNING, CRETINS

[torpid girder]

The most fun I have on psyker is soulblaze trauma with shriek and warp charges because it feels like you're a nuclear bomb

[static needle]

bottom right psyker tree is amazingly good

[static needle]

same here, I do run it for trauma cause of the amount of peril that staff generates and because it makes vent stronger

[worn beacon]

I do run gunker but feels like I am not playing pysker anymore at this point

More of a derivative of veteran

[static needle]

lol kinda true yeah

[torpid girder]

Yea I remember trying to run purgatus with shriek and warp charges and i noticed it was actually really hard to get high enough peril in time

[worn beacon]

Which is not a problem because I am a vet main

Lmfao

[torpid girder]

This is the main reason why i've never played gunker tbh

[static needle]

lmao true

[torpid girder]

it feels like such a waste to not use magic on the one class that has magic

[worn beacon]

I cast 9mm

[mighty olive]

https://youtu.be/oE8ZN18ka98?t=2628 my favorite scriors gaze lines, i love this lady's voice lol very sienna

[static needle]

eh its fun. it does fulfill a magic gunslinger fantasy i have going

[torpid girder]

On the OTHER hand if we had some kind of ability to use our psyker powers to redirect the bullets or ricochet them that would be an entirely different thing...

[dim parrot]

just be weird and play the gunker way without the gun

[torpid girder]

I would have already levelled a cowboy psyker

[long wharf]

it's a very poor "magic gunslinger" play

it's not "magic guns"

[torpid girder]

guns with magic

[long wharf]

it's "guns with a little magic"

[radiant frigate]

the one class that can dodge having to use a gun

[static needle]

yeah

[long wharf]

and a single ability that is just "click to do a shit ton more damage while ignorinog a core class mechanic lol"

DD is shit from a design perspective

[radiant frigate]

is it

[worn beacon]

SG is a bootleg E stance

[mighty olive]

btw if you guys click on the description of the video, all voicelines are time stamped, they're so good

[radiant frigate]

how would you feel about having your destiny disrupted?

bet you would be fairly miffed

[long wharf]

it's a stupid name, too

[torpid girder]

what if my destiny was bad and they disrupted it to help me :)

[worn beacon]

When gunkers grab disrupt destiny it should be named manifest destiny

[long wharf]

because every enemy's destiny is to be killed by us

by design of the game

[radiant frigate]

or they disrupt it to make it worse

[long wharf]

we aren't "disrupting" anything

[radiant frigate]

what would you prefer

marked for death?

destined to die?

[feral knoll]

I cast laser. Costs no peril

[radiant frigate]

soul reaper?

[long wharf]

"Casualty of the Warp"

[radiant frigate]

actually nvm soul reaper sounds fantastic

[long wharf]

that sounds cliche

[radiant frigate]

so what

[dim parrot]

,,kill that mf"

[radiant frigate]

we already have a talent called soulstealer

might aswell go all the way

[long wharf]

oh my bad, I didn't realize you were aiming for "goth cringe"

[torpid girder]

biggest reason why i don't like soul reaper tbh

we already have a name thta's basically the same thing

[radiant frigate]

Declare War on the Blue Man Group

[feral knoll]

If Gunler did some cool shit like made my muzzle flash and bullets have some cool mystical trail that would be all I need to play it more

[torpid girder]

too confusing for my tiny psyker brain

[static needle]

Anyone feel like critiqueing my trauma build? Id love to hear some suggestions for maybe a different keystone or different talents at the top. Havent decided if EP might be good for this build but I suspect its not as good as warp charges because of the ability CDR and less peril generation from charges. I do find that "in fire reborn" works better than psychic vampire most of the time since vent almost always kills a big group of enemies.

[torpid girder]

I still want a magic psyker bullet ricochet ability that chains it between enemies i don't care I want my magical high noon fantasy 💔

[radiant frigate]

apologies, WoW has done irreparable damage

[torpid girder]

this looks basically fine but i would take the rightside warp charge keystones

those are rlly the only things that need changing

[long wharf]

yeah, leaving that last point, Warp Battery, untaken is really low-hanging fruit

[static needle]

read what i said about in fire reborn and i explain the choice there

[feral knoll]

Gun Psyker feels like it could be cooler is all I’m saying

[upper sun]

looks good to me but id take either warp expenditure or warp battery instead of the toughness

[long wharf]

a proper gun psyker build would make the psyker use warp to power the guns

shooting warp-altered bullets

using peril to reload

[radiant frigate]

sourcing bullets straight from the warp

[long wharf]

or costing peril per shot

[static needle]

eh I dont reach that many stacks all the time and the actual time i spend on max stacks is not long at all. Id rather save the point and just be able to use vent more liberally

[long wharf]

sure, why not

[radiant frigate]

oh this is just a gun-flavored reskin of a staff, isn't it

[worn beacon]

We already have that

Priority Target

[static needle]

more toughness is always great if u can get it imo 🙂

[feral knoll]

Precisely

[long wharf]

by wanting to use vent more often, you're losing out on 2 stacks of soulblaze on whatever you vent on

[radiant frigate]

except there is some degree of control over that

[torpid girder]

Even w/ this preference aside I would still probably take essence harvest over tranquility since when u have that many warp charges u want to build peril faster
i'd also probably drop the toughness node for warp battery but that's also preference

[upper sun]

other stuff is good too and 15 toughness wont make you any less of a glass cannon

[long wharf]

difference between 4 and 6 stacks is a horde dead in a timely manner

[static needle]

huh didnt know that it was 2 stacks difference, thx for the info

[untold spindle]

it will, slightly xd

[mighty cipher]

I can't tell if the surge staff sucks or if I'm just bad

[feral knoll]

It falls off a lil’ bit

[long wharf]

surge staff doesn't suck

[radiant frigate]

it sucks (you may be using it for the wrong thing)

[static needle]

@long wharf are you sure the actual soulblaze stack count changes for vent when at 6 warps instead of the damage of the 6 stacks?

[feral knoll]

Just a lil’ bit though. (I love Surge)

[long wharf]

but you have to be into stupid high APM with animation cancelling for it to feel strong on high difficulties

[mighty cipher]

I 100% belive thats the issue. So how does one use it?

[upper sun]

its ok but you wont get far in anything higher than t4

[long wharf]

of course

it's a stack per warp charge

[upper sun]

be a front liner and insta pop any elite you see and cc the ones you cant until they die

[radiant frigate]

based on what i heard, use it with warp charges and flaming shriek, and use it to cycle peril at an alarming rate

[worn beacon]

You talk about soulblaze ye?

[radiant frigate]

yell a lot

[long wharf]

wait

did they change creeping flames?

[radiant frigate]

creeping flames is based on the peril when you shriek

6 stacks at 83%+

[long wharf]

well, shit, nevermind then

[worn beacon]

84% to be precise

[radiant frigate]

if that required warp charges to be used i would trash it

[long wharf]

I thought creeping flames was up to stack per warp charge, but it's 1-6 based on peril alone

[static needle]

Anyone got an opinion on choosing essence harvest over less peril gen with warps? I think trauma benifits significantly from having less regen so you can keep charging attacks longer before needing to quell

[worn beacon]

Yeah it's like

Stack peril

Press F

Horde dies

[radiant frigate]

Yes

[long wharf]

so, the only other justification for Warp Battery then is 12% damage gain, -12% peril gen, and 15% CDR

still worth it

[static needle]

So does this mean the 6 stacks might potentially not be worth it?

hmm

[long wharf]

I'd still take it

[static needle]

ok noted

[long wharf]

especially since you're creeping flames

[feral knoll]

I still never get over how big shriek radius is until I see a video/picture of it

[long wharf]

In Fire Reborn means you're almost guaranteed to get all those stacks back on a sufficiently sized horde

[worn beacon]

It's massive and it goes through walls

[feral knoll]

Oh I didn’t know the wall part

Hell yeah

[worn beacon]

Sometimes it's a con when I am unaware of the DH behind horde

[static needle]

@long wharf What would u drop then? a toughness node? idk man with 2 toughness curios on this build in the image i only have 156 toughness. any less and ill feel naked lol

and i do still want 200 HP. Its a good number and i feel to glass cannony without it.. but idk might change if im persuaded

[upper sun]

no amount of toughness nodes will make feel like any other class

[radiant frigate]

you must be running some juicy curios

[torpid girder]

I just take it cuz 45% cdr is a pretty big difference from 30% 👀
I LOVE spamming shriek

[long wharf]

you're using trauma

[radiant frigate]

hold up, how do you have 2 toughness curios and aiming for 200 hp

[long wharf]

nothing should be on its feet around you, let alone able to hit you

you don't need +15 toughness

[torpid girder]

If ur using trauma nothing can hit u in melee

you'll only be taking damage from ranged

[upper sun]

21%hp curio should get you there no?

im at like 19something with 20%

[radiant frigate]

silly me, i assumed the third was stamina

[static needle]

lol fair point

[radiant frigate]

only 20% gunner dr

you scare me

[torpid girder]

Psyker couldn't click with me at all until i made my first soulblaze trauma build and now i love it

instantly became one of my strongest characters damage wise

[static needle]

gunners being a problem is mostly bad luck or a positioning issue

and i have good positioning so idk i dont think i need more than one 20% gunner res

[upper sun]

i need one of those

i almost went blind in hab dreyko with purge

[radiant frigate]

i keep forgetting that i am the idiot that keeps trying to melee

and others are not

[static needle]

same, sometimes

[radiant frigate]

as in, you forget that i'm the idiot?

[torpid girder]

meleeing is good cuz it has better dps on smaller groups of stronger enemies
u just need to make sure to stagger them w/ a trauma firsttt

[upper sun]

the second i switch to melee to help someone with a mutie i died 😦

[worn beacon]

I gotta stop trying to bumrush the gunners like a zealot

[static needle]

🤤

build?

[torpid girder]

it's okay i'm a little dumb too :)

[radiant frigate]

together we could be more than a little dumb

[static needle]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-ah-he-said-it-family-guy-gif-7387202

[radiant frigate]

we could be really dumb

incomparable mind

[torpid girder]

we'll be unstoppable

[worn beacon]

4 psykers are also known as the glass squad

[radiant frigate]

i did just have a 4 psyker game

and yes i was the idiot

[static needle]

@torpid girder Did ya have a build for that trauma clip? wanna check it

[torpid girder]

Also this is what I originally ran in the clip lolll
i didn't think too much about it and i've changed it up a bit

[radiant frigate]

so much firepower that i could barely stack DD

[torpid girder]

these were the weapons i was usingggg not perfect

[static needle]

lemme give u a free point: wildfire is terrible, also run soulstealer instead for amazing toughness gains