psyker-class

[dim parrot]

real

[lapis violet]

lemme do one mission rq

[long wharf]

holy emperor on the golden throne, a 9.6GB update?

[lapis violet]

a good one, too

[long wharf]

I read the patch notes, it's an okay one

[upper sun]

its "ok" were just thirsty

[long wharf]

I didn't read anything indicating a nearly 10GB download, though

[upper sun]

i think they despagittified some code because loading into meat grinder is faster

[radiant frigate]

power sword now has some different animations when you use the special a lot

or something

[long wharf]

oh, well that explains everything

[radiant frigate]

and assail fixed for enhanced blitz

[long wharf]

a model's animation can easily be 5GB

power swords got two new swings

[radiant frigate]

something about brain burst too

[long wharf]

no fix for SG not getting cooldown reduction from Warp Siphon though

[radiant frigate]

common scrier's L

[long wharf]

force staves still don't share blessings

it's not a content patch, so won't bring players back

but hey, at least psyker hair will show as intended for one cosmetic

nevermind the others they fucked up

[wind spruce]

Unfortunately the surge projectile doesn't proc blazing spirit

[long wharf]

nope

[wind spruce]

Nope just assail nerfs because they hate us

[long wharf]

well, it was about time that they fixed projectile behavior

now they need to up assail base damage

[wind spruce]

Nah assail weaving was dope

Definitely needs an upwards tweak now

[long wharf]

it wasn't "dope", it was taking advantage of an obvious bug

it was unintended behavior

[wind spruce]

That doesn't mean it wasn't dope lmfao

[long wharf]

meh

[willow hazel]

It was dope, but needed a nerf

[radiant frigate]

it most certainly does

[long wharf]

you won't be able to tell any more

it won't be affected by non-staff blessings any more

and blazing spirit was a meme on void anyways

the second projectile isn't doing full crit damage

[lapis violet]

fuck hadron, sincerely

[long wharf]

why? she gave you flurry4

[lapis violet]

i wanted double ball

or nexus 4

flurry nexus would have been cool but blazing spirit flurry just lacks the crit synergy for my voidstike build

which do i keep?

[near drift]

do you have surge unlocked already?

[lapis violet]

surge is double ball?

[feral verge]

Yes

[lapis violet]

don't have ball yet

gotta keep gamblin g

[rigid sky]

Flurry nexus is very good too

[wind spruce]

But you can remove blazing spirit from it lol

[rigid sky]

Also transfer flurry

[near drift]

flurry/transfer or flurry/nexus ye

[rigid sky]

Blazing Spirit is only good on Trauma

[wind spruce]

Keep the left one. Blazing spirit to nexus and sprint efficiency to maniacs or carapace

[rigid sky]

Flurry Nexus is probably most versatile Voidstrike

I like the Surge nuker but yeah

[long wharf]

flurry+transfer and nexus+surge are the meta builds for void

flurry+transfer lets you never stop shooting

provided you can aim

[wind spruce]

Have you actually checked? Because it certainly didn't use to

[long wharf]

Arco did testing and found that the second projectile was procing certain blessings on melee weapons

ones that proc on-crit

but not all

meanwhile, Last Epoch servers are getting absolutely gangbanged

so that'll have to wait a day or so

[wind spruce]

I'm not surprised given how it interacts with mettle etc. Was he switching to melee weapon while it was mid-flight?

[mighty cipher]

Just crashed my game with Creature spawner

[wind spruce]

Flurry nexus is extremely strong and definitely better than flurry transfer

[brave fiber]

^2nd this

i do think nexus surge is the best overall however

[wind spruce]

Flurry nexus gets underrated because people get caught up in thinking about the synergy between the blessings rather than overall build synergy with other talents

[wind spruce]

I think it's pretty close tbh. Surge affecting lmb edges it slightly over flurry, but if it didn't affect lmb nexus/flurry would be superior

[brave fiber]

the synergy with true aim and surge is extremely powerful however, and with that I feel like thats the tipping point for me

[long wharf]

flurry+transfer isn't for maximum dps, it's for being able to never stop shooting

if dps is your goal, you go nexus+surge

[radiant frigate]

i have

[upper sun]

FINALLY MELK GAVE ME SOMETHING

[long wharf]

but why did you copy+paste the blessing icon?

[upper sun]

comedic effect

[long wharf]

okay

because uncanny strike 4 is absolutely what you want on dueling swords

[upper sun]

yeah and now i have it for my other sword

[little rapids]

wtf

[wind spruce]

You're right! They must've fixed it at some point, hoorag

[wind spruce]

Dude it's obvious he's emphasising that he got the blessing not saying its bad lmfao

[deft nymph]

brain burst is feeling good now

[mighty cipher]

What's the default crit chance on ranged weapons?

[harsh urchin]

too bad you upgraded on one with shit stats

[deft nymph]

every weapon is dif on every class i would download the crit chance mod and test it

[harsh urchin]

now you have to eat it and make another one

especially sad since the perks/blessings actually rolled well

[wind spruce]

He said melk...

[deft nymph]

new staff i just got

[devout robin]

weapons dont have innate crit unless specified in its substats

its contingent based on your base crit chance outside of other modifiers

[long wharf]

you know, with FartShack fixing projectiles taking on the properties of current weapon blessings

[mighty cipher]

Sick

[long wharf]

I wonder if they'll also address fire/soulblaze stacks being affected by current weapon blessings as well

[spice veldt]

prolly

I probably shouldn't be able to sharpen my fire by stabbing people

[devout robin]

psykers is like 10% and ogryn's is like 3% though

the other two goobers are 5%

[deft nymph]

revolver has a 22 percent chance when you shoot tho

[long wharf]

but that's precisely how the warp works

[wind spruce]

Psyker is 7.5%

[devout robin]

yeah because it has the critical bonus substat

oh my b

[spice veldt]

weapons can have a crit chance associated with them even if it's not in the substays

e.g., the knife has +15% crit chance

[wind spruce]

Yep eg las pistol with 15%

[devout robin]

oh really

thats fucking weird

i did not know that, my bad

[wind spruce]

It's always been like that but all good

[deft nymph]

always test yourself

[devout robin]

is the knife crit not contingent on the substat

[harsh urchin]

knife doesnt have crit substat

[long wharf]

or just go look at the Lua code yourself

[devout robin]

am i stoned

[harsh urchin]

yes

[spice veldt]

it has finesse but no sub stat that affects crit chance

[devout robin]

what the fock

nevermind

[long wharf]

finesse is crit chance and attack speed

[devout robin]

my bad yall

[long wharf]

.. I thought

[spice veldt]

finesse is crit dmg and weakspot dmg

and attack speed most times

[harsh urchin]

finesse is crit multi, headshot multi and (sometimes) attack speed.

[long wharf]

ah

[devout robin]

besides me being wrong

my main takeaway is that that should be shown somewhere

[wind spruce]

FFS someone queue for maelstrom on apac south 😦

[spice veldt]

yeah absolutely

shrimply have programming experience to understand basic stats about a weapon

[long wharf]

oh well, between work, my project, and Last Epoch, my brain is dumping data

[upper sun]

I dont think i ever posted the ones i rolled here

[harsh urchin]

it's ok my ds is shit too

it just has crafted uncanny + cara, and 2 random other things

[devout robin]

its funny bc i have a bachelor's in cs

im just a lazy bitch

[spice veldt]

xd

[upper sun]

I only have like 3 t4 blessings for ds anyways no harm in rolling even trashones until i get shred 4 or something

[spice veldt]

yeah I only know where to look cuz people that can actually read code do most of the effort

[upper sun]

heyy EE here same

[devout robin]

we're matching oomfie

[lyric burrow]

tbf ive heard reading code in this game in particular is annoying

[feral knoll]

I’ll say it. I think Psykers have the coolest drip out of the other classes in terms of base gear/penance stuff

[little rapids]

does ee and cs share similar courseload?

[feral knoll]

As someone who’s never really touched a force sword beside Illisi. Is this decent?

[rotund fable]

Base stats are solid, if you plan to get it i would swap the unyielding for carapace and one of the unstable power for uncanny strike (uncanny is practically a requirement on the diemos).

[upper sun]

are you talking about who gets more classes or what exactly?

[rotund fable]

With the diemos, your light 1 and heavy 2 are what make the sword as good.
Light 1 is an extremely fast stab, and heavy 2 is another stab that can knock a crusher to the ground if you hit them in the head

[wind spruce]

Apac south maelstrom life 😦

[little rapids]

you said "same" but i didnt think they were related at all

computer science and electrical engineering right?

i suppose u need both to make a computer work lol

[upper sun]

they are very related i shared a lot of classes with cs students and the same was mostly refering to the lazy part

[little rapids]

oh lol

do you need to learn coding for ee?

[upper sun]

yeah i did since i did microcomputers

C and python mostly but i kinda forgot all of it since i havent used it in so long

[devout robin]

we were mostly taught java, in which my descent into darkness began

[potent echo]

You need to learn to read code in general as an engineer

[devout robin]

yeah

[potent echo]

No one's going to pay you to write though, you do it for free 😛

[devout robin]

you dont need to dissect every bit of logic and methodology but knowing code, especially as an EE, is critical

[potent echo]

It would be good too if you one day choose to pivot into a real lucrative field

[lyric burrow]

took the most damage throwing smh

[long wharf]

Java does lead to darkness/madness

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-known-yes-agree-ahuh-gif-14150176

[wind spruce]

[long wharf]

programming, or more specifically software engineering (which is more than just knowing how to read and write code), can be very lucrative

it's how I make my living

problem is, it's very easy to get started, and the labor pool for entry-level programmers is suuuuper saturated

fortunately, all it takes to stand out is be somewhat competent.

[cosmic sigil]

Do you play in Oce servers?

[potent maple]

What is the psyker meta build?

[wet belfry]

Trauma, voidstrike, colomnus

Pick your poison

[long wharf]

there is no single psyker meta build

[potent maple]

im new so ill have to look up what you mean

[wet belfry]

If you want to know the one that has the best results. its trauma

[potent maple]

theres not an all arounder?

[long wharf]

psyker has a healthy number of very performant builds, and a handful of less-performant-but-people-still-make-it-work builds

[wet belfry]

Trauma has the most amount of actual rounds completed in the highest of difficulties, scenarios.

But for your normal average game colomnus, voidstrike, trauma are all really good.

[long wharf]

trauma aiming takes some getting used to

[potent echo]

Most builds are all rounders because you have to deal with every threat, but playstyle is very crucial to each build

[long wharf]

but there's no arguing its effectiveness

psyker, more than the other classes, has multiple builds that can deal with all scenarios in-mission

[potent maple]

do you have a build i can folow?

[long wharf]

check the Psyker Atheneum

in pins

[potent echo]

Consult the atheneum, it's a good place to start and it comes with primers for how to play it's great

[potent maple]

thanks

[wet belfry]

This is the trauma build i run

I would drop kinetic flayer for warp battery

Kinetic flayer isnt worth it without LMB cancelling.

[long wharf]

I run assail+trauma+EP

there's room for picking your preferred build around trauma

trauma is good enough that you can literally not care about building around it and it'll be 98% as effective

provided you have meta trauma staff

[wet belfry]

This is a colomnus build

Colomnus is a gun build.

I think the key to top tier psyker builds is mostly avoiding blitz abillties as much as possible.

They are inefficent point wise, damage wise.

They drag down the rest of the build with them whenever invested into.

[potent echo]

Depends on your playstyle

[wet belfry]

Well its pretty much either go smite, brainburst and be able to get psykinetics aura which is great

[long wharf]

with the exception of assail

[wet belfry]

And those two blitz abillties both have huge problems

Or go assail which is an ok blitz without point investment but lose psykinetics aura.

[long wharf]

assail's two upgrade nodes are impactful and, IMO, necessary

[potent echo]

I only take pierce, I don't need the recharge

[long wharf]

I take recharge because I like to use Assail as much as possible

[potent echo]

But I pretty much only use assail for shooters and gunner elites, in my void/assail/Deimos

In melee I quick swap to chuck assails to keep peril high for warp rider and some the other talent that buffs warp damage with normal kills I forgot the name

[radiant frigate]

i don't think assail is particularly good

[wet belfry]

Its alright atleast.

[radiant frigate]

it's like a sidegrade to staff use

[idle mesa]

Guys what are the best blessings for duelling sword?

[wet belfry]

has instant stagger, 3 assail shard kills specials.

[potent echo]

I always thought that assail void is pointless but

[wet belfry]

Has some cleave to.

[radiant frigate]

it's alright

[potent echo]

Void is terrible at clearing spread out shooters

[wet belfry]

But losing access to psykinetics aura is an oof tradeoff.

[long wharf]

rmb assail will one-shot specialists on damnation with some peril

[wet belfry]

Brainburst is near useless in most scenarios

[potent echo]

I think you need some DD too

[wet belfry]

Staff LMB just outdamages, outstaggers it.

[long wharf]

nope, I don't run DD

[potent echo]

Maybe EP or WC?

[wind spruce]

It only reliably one shots snipers, saying it one shots anything else is cope

[wet belfry]

Brainburst is like exclusively for catching specials that are annoying to fire at, bon, sometimes fighting gunners.

[long wharf]

I do use EP, but EP isn't required for specialists

[radiant frigate]

boss damage

or bonbon specifically

[wet belfry]

Boss damage wise melee weapons generally perform better

[potent echo]

When you say specialist I imagine only bomber

Trapper is strangely tanky

[long wharf]

well yes, snipers are gauranteed one-shots, the others are dependent on peril due to Warp Rider

[potent echo]

Flamers are also tanky ( to ranged)

[wind spruce]

And on headshots

[wet belfry]

Smite is a panic button with awful damage, that in near every scenario in the game just isnt plain usefull.

[potent echo]

I don't see rmb assail doing 1400 unless it's a crit lol

[wet belfry]

And those scenarios where it is usefull back stepping is nearly always a better move.

[wind spruce]

It really doesn't lmao

[potent echo]

It really doesn't yea

Unless you take pierceless assail lol

[wet belfry]

Im talking about BB

not assail

[potent echo]

BB isn't about dps

[wind spruce]

My b

[potent echo]

The range and auto tracking is the best part

And hitting behind walls etc

Like trappers/hounds running away after failed attempt

[wet belfry]

Well thats exactly the problem its extremely niche.

Like compare it to throwing knives on zealot.

[potent echo]

Psyker melee all dumpster carapace and armored elites

Extremely niche is still a niche that you can use

That no other class can use

[wet belfry]

I can either have an occasionly usefull blitz abillty on the psyker or have a godsend abillty like throwing knives to kill any special that dares look at me.

I dont even have to pull out a ranged weapon to deal with them.

[potent echo]

Just a tool in the toolbox like I'm not shitting on my wire cutter because it only does one thing

[wet belfry]

Im going to stand by the claim that psyker blitz abillties in their current state actively suck.

[cosmic sigil]

It's a stun grenade

[mighty cipher]

Whoever told me that shotgunners were specialist is going to hell

[potent echo]

Sure, it's not blatantly braindead like a peegun or peesword and i think that's cool

[wet belfry]

A stun grenade where you have to drop everything to stun enemies.

25% of team damage lost probably more then that due to being a psyker.

Its not like the director will either stop spawning stuff just because the psyker is stunning no. the game contiunes to spawn things.

The director is always ticking their points up.

[cosmic sigil]

It can be useful in some instances

[wet belfry]

Thats exactly the thing

Its an extremely niche abillty.

Its like if you are surronded by elites, specials xtra.

No where to retreat.

[hollow jolt]

clearly Fatshark simply needs to change smite damage to the staff's damage UwU

[cosmic sigil]

Situational blitz are fine. The problem is trying to make them more than that

[wet belfry]

Ya but when an abillty only gets used once or twice in the game i feel there is a problem.

Because sometimes that is legit what happens.

[hollow jolt]

sad Fragbomb noises

[cosmic sigil]

Compared to assail, yeah

[wet belfry]

I frequently run entire colomnus games without ever using a single brainburst

[cosmic sigil]

Or shredder nades

[wet belfry]

Because why would i?

[cosmic sigil]

Save ammo on crushers?

[wet belfry]

The dueling sword is for that.

2 shot crushers nice and easy.

[prime elk]

Well it’s not the end of the world given that psykers often just focus on using their weapons and ults anyway

[cosmic sigil]

Bb is my favorite blitz tbh, it's the only one where I can reliability fuck up that hidden specialist

[wet belfry]

I do like BB but i dont think it has as much usage in a game as it should.

I find the balance of ranged, melee, blitz that psyker used to have post 13 was far better.

[potent echo]

Yea BB could be better

[prime elk]

BB is prob the worst of the three right now sadly

[potent echo]

At least it one shots flamers and dogs, unlike pre13 lmao

[wet belfry]

I dont either like the nonsense of psyker blitzes constantly needing point investments into making it somewhat decent.

It detracts from build potenial.

[potent echo]

All sorts of ideas like if you track the head it charges faster etc

Like anything to make using it more engaging

[prime elk]

Don’t worry boys they tweaked the animation!

[cosmic sigil]

I use bb to make sure the vet shoot the correct target

[hollow jolt]

I'll be honest, I use BB markers to tell what to shoot a lot more often than I should

ping more pls

I use Focus Target guys trust me I'm pinging it for a damage buff ;)

[upper sun]

yeah theres a whole penance teaching you to never use your blitz

[cosmic sigil]

Ping is: you have to take care of it in the next 5s

Bb is: do it now

[little rapids]

which

[upper sun]

warp battery

[little rapids]

thats ability isnt it

not blitz

🤔

[upper sun]

err yeah im tired

[little rapids]

all g

just confused if i was missing a penance lol

[upper sun]

welllll same idea applies

[spice veldt]

tbf tension builds up and once that reaches a threshold, spawns do stop for a moment

[potent echo]

Aurics have higher tension threshold?

[spice veldt]

something along the lines of -50% tension

i.e., it takes longer to reach that threshold, so there's a longer period of constant spawns before things calm down for a moment compared to non-auric

[grim inlet]

i finally got surge for voidstrike lads

took so damn long

[hollow current]

Surge is fun. Mow down hordes ez. bully elites.

[little rapids]

gj

[potent echo]

I now love weaving melee to get true aim stacks, two dodge back and then surge voidstrikes

[hollow current]

true aim is a sick node, especially if you melee a lot. Crits on demand basically

[little rapids]

if i change slaughterer to uncanny, is this a good deimos

or is dmg too low

[hollow current]

damage may have dumped a lil but the difference vs 80 is around 159 vs 165

[little rapids]

seems small

[hollow current]

uncanny would make it way better against bosses and carapace, so ye

[little rapids]

noice

[hollow current]

here's a godroll damage sheet for reference

[grim inlet]

theres my boy, i have a slot to change unstable power to uncanny if i ever get it

[idle mesa]

Guys how do you exactly inflict soulblaze?

[spice veldt]

purgatus staff, venting shriek (with creeping flames), perilous combustion (top-left talent), and blazing spirit blessings on voidstrike/trauma/force swords

if the enemy has blue fire on them, that's soulblaze

[idle mesa]

So with perilous combustion no matter how I kill them aside barrels I guess, specials and elites get soul blaze?

[hollow current]

Enemies near the elite/special get 3 stacks of soulblaze.

[spice veldt]

yeah, as long as they didn't die to soulblaze

since deaths by soulblaze won't proc PC

[idle mesa]

Oh alright thank you for answering

[hollow current]

Was that how it always was?

[spice veldt]

i think so

[hollow current]

I feel like at some point I had a run away soul blaze on the melee modifier but that might have just from the high density and killing 5 guys.

[spice veldt]

prolly

and uncanny strike

[potent echo]

Everything around said elite/special gets soulblaze

[primal ravine]

why are the bot launching lobbies now? LMAO

[urban sandal]

look at their weapons

100% in every stat grey weapons

custom named n all

[primal ravine]

IT's so stupid that you have to launch so many karnak twin just to get the possibility to do it on hard mode

spent all night to do it and only had one opportunity and my team was fleeing all game

[urban sandal]

yeah you're definitely late on the orthus offensive

no one does it anymore

[primal ravine]

which would mean I get more chance to get the hard mode

but it seems even more evasive than before

[hollow current]

I think I got a new one for you.

[brisk forge]

your best bets for hardmodes are just joining one of the strike team channels and throwing a LFM hardmode in the lfg recruiting channel here, there are still several players who jump in to help those here

[slow cloak]

just crafted this baby 😄

[primal ravine]

why is damage and crit colored

what is this

[eager junco]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/210

[primal ravine]

this is the most uselsss mod I've ever seen

[eager junco]

uhh, it's not that bad, i believe it adds the hidden buffs of most blessings in text.

i dont run it.

[wind spruce]

Bro half the stuff in the descriptions are things people play the game for months without learning

Because fatshark can't write a description to save their life

[shy pewter]

How dost one build an Illisi 5 for trash clear?

[hollow current]

I think you want uncanny + unstable power. but slaughterer aint bad either

[limber silo]

Slaught is better than UP for horde clear. And uncanny does nothing for horde clear at all

[shy pewter]

Blazing / Slaughterer + Flak / Unarmored?

[limber silo]

Blazing does nothing for horde either. The weapon kills too fast. What you want is Slaught + Shred or Riposte. I run Slaught + UP and it is exceptional for Scrier's

Generally slaught + whatever other blessing you want is enough

[shy pewter]

Good to know thanks, yeah this is running with Scriers

[primal ravine]

that's true tho

[limber silo]

I would recommend you swap the maniac for unarmored. Maniac is not that great for melee weapons. It's decent for ranged though

[untold niche]

cause i thought it would be full left side, was what i was asking.

[torpid girder]

I actually did not know it went up to 30 meters jeezzz
I'm going to install this

[wind spruce]

What? Maniac is very good on an Illisi. Helps with specials

[limber silo]

Have you actually used a heavy on a special? You can oneshot everything except muties with Illisi without maniac

[wind spruce]

And if you don't hit the head? Or you don't have time for a heavy?

[limber silo]

Skill issue, and skill issue

[gusty furnace]

you get 5 dodges on the illisi

its not power sword

[wind spruce]

Lmfao, no scrub

That's a not understanding how the game actually works issue

[gusty furnace]

the time to activate a heavy attack is relevant, but only somewhat.

[limber silo]

When has anyone ever had no time to use a heavy? And the attack magnetizes to heads bro

[gusty furnace]

I mean, it happens.

[wind spruce]

When there's 7 specials to dealer with, a horde and multiple elites

Happens every game

[gusty furnace]

The console room of the cooling tubes mission.

Place is an absolute shitshow and gets tight real fast.

[limber silo]

When there's seven specials to deal with you should not be close enough to all of them to be meleeing

[wind spruce]

There's also the fact you could be cleaving into the special

[limber silo]

consider spacing yourself when there's that many

[wind spruce]

Consider actual real game scenarios where that isn't possible

[limber silo]

The biggest issue with Illisi is it doesn't stagger ragers

And maniac damage will not help with that

[gusty furnace]

yeah but nobody but ogryn melees large packs of raiders

[spice veldt]

it doesn't stagger ragers anymores?

[gusty furnace]

sure, veteran can stagger chain 3 at once

[eager junco]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHg6tov0vDc

[gusty furnace]

but that's still not 9

so I don't see the point in mentioning that on illisi

its an extremely rare weapon that can reliably CC large groups of ragers

[torpid girder]

Wooah weird how it has like a clam/cone shape too! I thought it would either be like just a normal cone or like some kind of rectangle

uh oh... I thinkk the patch broke true level

[limber silo]

Seems intentionally designeed to be a forgiving shape

[eager junco]

lots of mods messed up

[wind spruce]

Clam shape lmao

[gusty furnace]

and also as a targeted attack

[shy pewter]

theres a new one out

[wind spruce]

It's also slightly wider at the base. Its so weird

[gusty furnace]

itd be neat if the aoe on perils of the warp vent had a different shape to further reflect this

[torpid girder]

To reinstall it I juts delete the current truelevel folder and then reinstall it right?

[limber silo]

You don't even need to activate your heavy to oneshot all specials except muties

[torpid girder]

yaa that's what i meant by a clam shape it's weirddd

[wind spruce]

Just copy paste the new one in and overwrite

[torpid girder]

I wonder wut other mods got messed up loll

[wind spruce]

Nah you're right let's take unarmoured instead because those are so difficult to one shot

[shy pewter]

True level and Inventory Stats were the two that freaked out on me, but I dont run very many

[limber silo]

It at least helps with cleave damage

[gusty furnace]

The only mod I care about really is numeric ui

[eager junco]

DarkCache not workin for me

[wind spruce]

Inventory stats has lasted so long without updates

[limber silo]

what would you recommend oh master of not testing your weapons?

[gusty furnace]

being able to see everyone's ammo is so helpful

[wind spruce]

SO DOES MANIACS

[shy pewter]

The ONLY mod I care about is Psych Ward lmao

[eager junco]

im psyker what am i doin here

[wind spruce]

I do a shit ton of testing around here buddy

The regulars know that

[hollow current]

A gift from the emperor, thanks.

[gusty furnace]

for what, melee weapon?

[shy pewter]

I wasted so many dozens of hours of my life loading the stupid mourningstar, never again

[gusty furnace]

Deimos and Trauma staff

as per usual

[torpid girder]

Ummm, any idea what mod this is from?

[gusty furnace]

negative

[torpid girder]

oh god

[limber silo]

I'm being sarcastic, most people don't seem to realize that maniac is not a great perk for melee weapons specifically because most maniacs take 3x damage from melee already

[gusty furnace]

i dunno

it facilitates osbps for shit like power sword

[wind spruce]

That's true for some weapons, but not all

[gusty furnace]

and generally helps with the rashad

[wind spruce]

Illisi benefits greatly from maniacs

[gusty furnace]

but rashad wants flak/unarmored on vetty ol boi

so that one is a solid "depends on bruiser osbp viability"

[shy pewter]

on zealot too iirc

[gusty furnace]

zealot already gets there with headtaker up

without needing unarmored

no need to run it

[limber silo]

Okay, it is true for forces swords, devils claw, chainswords, duelling swords, daggers, chainaxes, eviscerators, crushers, and every ogryn weapon execept paul

[shy pewter]

how does rashad feel on psyker compared to the illisi?

[gusty furnace]

and I don't think they can cut 2 down to 1

I dunno. Same shit

mash mouse 1 into everything

¯_(ツ)_/¯

okay for like voidstrike

[shy pewter]

I tried antax once and it just felt so slow without any melee speed talents

[gusty furnace]

where you do want the ability to fend off trash in a timely manner

[gusty furnace]

everything "normal" on psyker feels super slow

[limber silo]

What breakpoint are you reaching with your maniac perk? How often are you in melee with multiple flamers? You should NOT be in melee with multiple ragers, and maniac does not help with them anyways

[gusty furnace]

because of all of psyker's specific melee weapons have nuts attack speed

and the chainswords with their baked in nonsense on light attacks

[limber silo]

The only breakpoint I have been able to find is trapper. And a special light takes care of them

[gusty furnace]

i dunno

then huck carapace on there

stab crushers a little bit more quickly

or unyielding for bosses

[torpid girder]

Speaking of, gonna try using an illisi to replace DS mk4
the speed duelling sword gives is amazing but I want to try having an option to actually live against gunner/shooter hordes

does deflector block sniper shots?

[limber silo]

Illisi is not great on crushers without uncanny, so there is that

[gusty furnace]

no

[torpid girder]

awww that makes sense

[limber silo]

It specifically does not block snipers, much to my dismay

[gusty furnace]

which is why its best paired with voidstrike

you don't need a melee weapon for everything

[limber silo]

Trauma imho

[torpid girder]

Would it be fine to pair it w/ trauma?

[gusty furnace]

just one to cover up shortcomings

[limber silo]

EXACTLY

[gusty furnace]

Trauma already does horde work

so I'd use deimos or dueling sword

for crushers and bosses

[torpid girder]

OH

[limber silo]

why don't people understand that you have two weapons for a reason

[torpid girder]

I misspoke yea i wanted a deimos

not an illisi

oops

[limber silo]

I prefer trauma for hvt target as well

[shy pewter]

Its not optimized but I'm having fun with the illisi with assail and the CIAG with scriers. A mag of the CIAG can drop a crusher, its just a bit ammo intensive

[limber silo]

Trauma does everything well except ranged

[gusty furnace]

i mean trauma is great against everything melee

you become literally invulnerable

[wind spruce]

Honestly, with sliding you can survive them anyway. Don't fall for the hype

[gusty furnace]

but like 3 crushers?

I'd rather just kill them with deimos

[limber silo]

Yeah trauma can deal with three crushers

[torpid girder]

That's true! Doesn't hurt to at least try it tho

[gusty furnace]

and save the time and effort

[torpid girder]

I'm running out of weapons to gamble on anyways 👀

[limber silo]

Not that quickly, but it can

[gusty furnace]

yeah, and that's what the deimos is for

trauma CAN do it, but its faster with the deimos

[wind spruce]

No it doesn't lmfao

[potent echo]

Unless +maniac or maybe crit

Maybe idk

[wind spruce]

A special light headshot barely cracks 600 on a trapper without maniacs

[limber silo]

Ah you're right, but heavy special does. Do you possibly have time to charge your heavy against the enemy that shoots once then runs???

[wind spruce]

The heavy special headshot doesn't either lmfao

[torpid girder]

noooooooo

[gloomy magnet]

Miss Sefoni can flirt with me now 🥹

[hollow current]

She's busy with me.

[gusty furnace]

just change both perks

[limber silo]

why does the heavy only do like 30 more damage?

[potent echo]

Sprint efficiency Deimos boiyo

[limber silo]

okay, you got me there

[potent echo]

No way running Deimos without uncanny is

[limber silo]

I'll admit

[wind spruce]

Trappers and Mutants take less damage to heavier attacks

[torpid girder]

I specifically wanted at least deflector 💔
either way i guess it's brickeddd

[gusty furnace]

I wouldn't say that

[spice veldt]

that's just caxes

[gusty furnace]

in this case, its genuinely just offering you a different playstyle

[torpid girder]

hmmm

[limber silo]

Okay, my problem was I'm running UP

[gusty furnace]

like, shred is just good

[wind spruce]

I mean less relative to the difference between heavies and lights on other maniacs

[gusty furnace]

and unstable power lets you be way more aggressive with your target selection

[potent echo]

Caxes are weird

[limber silo]

Yeah at 4 stacks of UP, special light one shots trappers to the head

[spice veldt]

i don't think there's any particular difference between heavies and lights on mutants/trappers compared to ragers

[torpid girder]

I'm going to be pairing this w/ a trauma staff where i don't really use melee much, would that be fine?

[limber silo]

I personally hate caxes

[spice veldt]

unless there's some attack chain specific damage modifier that i'm not aware of

[wind spruce]

Ah its just the illisi special that's doing it

[spice veldt]

oh illisi special

yeah the difference between the first target damage isn't much between special lights and heavies

[potent echo]

Honestly if trauma I'll just take a speed melee like knife or duelling

[gusty furnace]

Yeah. You'll be stabbing crushers and bosses mostly. Maybe the odd rager here and there.

[spice veldt]

the important difference is mostly from the 2nd/3rd/etc. targets between the special lights and heavies (and even then, the special heavies win out primarily cuz more damage per unit of peril)

[potent echo]

Imagine brutal momentum illisi

[spice veldt]

OwO

[lyric burrow]

No

[spice veldt]

yes

we should give brutal momentum to every weapon

[potent echo]

Peesword 2

[torpid girder]

can't do that here arco this isn't zealot chat!!

[spice veldt]

this is my home territory now

OwO

[limber silo]

Anyways, my point is maniac is a dead roll for the majority of melee weapons and testing should be done when deciding what perks you want to run on all weapons anyways

[hollow current]

Can we get deadly accurate on laspistol while we're at it?

[lyric burrow]

Arco you would never play psyker because its "too easy and stupid" and "i just special"

[spice veldt]

sadly not

[spice veldt]

so true

[limber silo]

Don't tease me like that

2000 damage per shot laspistol? Yes please

[torpid girder]

I loveee when I spam right click and then hit F and I kill like 4 hordes

[potent echo]

I think it did that with a crit headshot on a rager lol

[spice veldt]

maybe with the mk x

[torpid girder]

Time to go into hunting grounds + waves of mutants + extra poxbursters to see if they really fixed silent bursters

[lyric burrow]

Yeah laspistol weakspot crit damage is p nuts

[spice veldt]

oh definitely with the mk x

[potent echo]

Yea I was using the mk X

[hollow current]

I have no idea where it comes from but sometimes my single hit damage gets as high as 8k.

[spice veldt]

dunk on the mfs

[limber silo]

I can only get around 1000 on ragers. I can get above 1500 on reapers

[spice veldt]

prob finesse bonuses and laspistol having extremely wonky weak/crit multis

[limber silo]

I cannot use the mk x

too slow

[potent echo]

I was running zealot at the time so maybe the stupid 20% talent too helped

[limber silo]

feels bad

[spice veldt]

i like the mkx cuz i hit one-shot bps without relying on crits on trash mobs

and i don't get RSI from it

[hollow current]

9.5k highest damage. I'm perplexed.

[gusty furnace]

its an mg12 but with mobility

some people enjoy that

opens up that kind of playstyle more

[limber silo]

I would enjoy it better if it's sound design was better

sounds barely stronger than the mkII

[potent echo]

Something Deimos or another

[gusty furnace]

I mean, it is a pistol

and a laspistol at that

[limber silo]

It's a HEAVY pistol

[hollow current]

I use duelling sword tho

[potent echo]

Red stimm and deimos heavy activate on scab captain head

[hollow current]

Maybe when I got all my buffs going I do that much to mutants on their head

[potent echo]

Perhaps

Or flamers, they take like 3x melee damage or smth

[lyric burrow]

Ds probably can get those numbers ye

[limber silo]

Oh boy, at 15 DD stacks I start oneshotting maniacs with light attacks on the illisi

[next zephyr]

i got a 14th battlegroup dominator class attack cruiser with 2 devastator cannons and typhoon reaper torpedos

[limber silo]

Yeah, flamers, dogs and muties all take 3x damage from melee

[torpid girder]

also I think that mod error might be from ovenproof's

[wind spruce]

Yeah I've been getting those

[torpid girder]

Probably from the poxburster explosion kills credit thing from the patch

I wonder if there's a new version of ovenproof's out

[flint aspen]

is psyker's guns really visually buggered rn?

because the bugged revolver and magazineless laspistol and iags I encountered yesterday could just be a massive coincidence

[haughty star]

so what's with the brain burst buff

is it just faster now

[idle plover]

Today i will try catachan knife mk4 with scryers gaze

[wind spruce]

There is no mk 4

[torpid girder]

Would anyone wanna play a few games of dt? :D

[idle plover]

I don remember numbers of the variants

[haughty star]

and they still didn't fix the whole scryars gaze/siphon relationship?

or did i miss that

[latent hill]

Wdym?

[haughty star]

meant WS

[latent hill]

Siphon?

[haughty star]

yeah

warp siphon

the left capstone

[latent hill]

Are you referring to the charges?

[fair spruce]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/is-your-intel-core-i9-13900k-crashing-in-games-your-motherboard-bios-settings-may-be-to-blame-other-high-end-intel-cpus-also-affected

[haughty star]

ye

[brave fiber]

its over for me. im fully converted to blaze trauma. this shit is so busted its crazy

[spice veldt]

streamable videos don't embed if you post them before they finish processing fyi

[stable halo]

ty

[vestal fulcrum]

Melk finally delivered something decent

[shy pewter]

Solid piece

[spice veldt]

damn boi

[vestal fulcrum]

can't make it 550

[stable halo]

nice nice nice

[hollow current]

A rare shop find.

[stable halo]

Ok I figured out how to embed sorry am noob
"clean run"
https://streamable.com/ssxwkv?src=player-page-share

idk I still feel like assail is viable on Auric Maelstrom, you've just gotta treat it like really long pokin' fingers

[hollow current]

I think it's still really powerful as a chaff/flak clearer.

Of my three weapons it's usally Assail that takes the most damage and melee if not.

[spice veldt]

there's no negative sign in the patch notes so i don't expect people's opinions on assail to change

[stable halo]

I thought people were saying it was dead because of the change to how projectile modifers work from earlier

[spice veldt]

iirc they're all people who already don't like assail

irosk, dis, etc.

[stable halo]

Yes Beloved, we don't need to listen to cruel things, do we

[shy pewter]

Assail is perfectly viable on any difficulty

[stable halo]

it's awful hard to poke out peoples eyes with brain burst (except from the inside out I suppose)

[hollow current]

here's some of my damage breakdowns for reference.

This tool is nifty. You can even click on other players names and see their loadout and talents.

[radiant frigate]

i think assail is alive and well

[spice veldt]

one of the mod names of all time

truly peak

[hollow current]

I'll be utterly fucked if my assail crutch gets kicked out.

[spice veldt]

still needs its max ammo count shot to 5 or less

right in the kneecaps

[hollow current]

horde clear and toughness regen at the same time? yes please 🥴

[radiant frigate]

is it truly toughness if you run 90

i still find it insane how you even survive with that

[idle plover]

Maybe i should try some assail builds again

Been on smite train a while now

Also what would be desireable attributes on trauma staff?

[wind spruce]

I like assail!

[brave fiber]

Everything, less so warp res and quell speed

trauma is pretty hard to get a really good one of

[wind spruce]

I be fighting the anti-assail crowd all the time 😢

[radiant frigate]

you be fighting me

(i jest)

i used to run surge and/or assail on every build

[torpid girder]

i do think it's a little annoying how I'll have like 10 ragers and shotgunners about to die to my soulblaze at like 30% hp left and then the assail psyker spams left click and steals all the kills :(

[radiant frigate]

why? didn' require any brain power to aim

[radiant frigate]

slice them into tiny cubes

[torpid girder]

Blow up their pancakes with my mind

[radiant frigate]

Yes

drink their milkshake while you're at it

[untold niche]

@spice veldt is melee attack speed, the interval between each swing, or how fast eacyh swing is

[hollow current]

By being an absolute squirrely lunatic https://youtu.be/uiDsud0UmA4?t=13

[plucky flax]

Veri wrong.

[torpid girder]

I wish it was as busted as plasma 💔

[plucky flax]

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-cat-huh-etr-gif-15332443943609734737

[torpid girder]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-furious-cat-cat-angry-fury-gif-23071861

[plucky flax]

It was my reaction too after seeing that great advice someone gave me.

Damage is bad.

[spice veldt]

no idea

[radiant frigate]

damage is bad!!

[spice veldt]

prolly works off of the interval is my guess

[radiant frigate]

you should have mobility on your ranged weapon so you can run from your problems!!

[torpid girder]

if u run fast enough past all the enemies u will never have to fight them so damage is useless

[hidden crystal]

+21% Health curio. Time to watch Hadron ruin it...

... yup.

[vestal fulcrum]

10% Ordo property? That’s a win

[hidden crystal]

Not as far as I'm concerned. I'm already swimming in cash because there's so little worth purchasing.

I can dump 500k on Brunt, maybe get three things with better stats than my current gear, then Hadron ruins all of them.

I'm actually running a T1 Blessing on one weapon in my main loadout because at least it's a Blessing I like.

[gloomy magnet]

new cosmetics dropped?

[idle plover]

Oh joy the primaris psyker headpiece now gives the amplified voice

[hidden crystal]

I mean, it's not horrible, but it doesn't improve my mission performance over my current HP curio, so I'm very unlikely to use it.

It's also still ridiculous that +XP can roll on a max level character, because that is objectively useless.

[idle plover]

Xp really needs new use after max lvl

[hidden crystal]

All the other perks at least have some use - I don't like things like Hound, Mutant, Flamer or Bomber resist, but at least they actually provide some benefit, however small it is.

[quartz barn]

Wdym new use, you use the +lvl to determine how good/bad someone is based on time spend

[idle plover]

Baitting is real

[wind spruce]

This means you need the Ordo dockets

"I don't need more money because things are so expensive anyway!!"

[hidden crystal]

At this point, I've concluded that the chances of getting better gear are so low that increasing those percentages by a tenth is still terrible, and it would come at the cost of losing a perk that directly helps on missions.

Ergo, potentially failing missions we might have otherwise cleared, and thus losing resources that way.

(Admittedly a single perk is a small difference to effectiveness, but there have definitely been missions where I can categorically say something like "If I didn't have those extra five HP, we would have wiped").

[bronze hound]

What blessings do you recommend for the dueling sword Mk IV? Riposte and Precog are ok?

[plucky flax]

Uncanny and riposte/shred/rampage.

Uncanny precog if you want the big damage.

[bronze hound]

So Uncanny is a must

[plucky flax]

For myself yeah. It just let you dunk on crushers and maulers so easily.

[bronze hound]

Makes sense, yeah

[tulip kettle]

Uncanny gives you the 3 shot on crushers as long as you start with at least 1 stack going

And also frees you up from taking +carapace perk, as with uncanny the +carapace doesn't change any breakpoints, leaving you to take +25 unyielding and +25 maniac which are amazing on DS4

[tulip kettle]

Full patch notes where

I'm in the office on mobile sry

[vestal fulcrum]

#📢news-bulletin message

[upper sun]

wait dh still leaves if the last man standing attacks it right?

[plucky flax]

Oh good change! No more getting killed randomly cos I'm close to the guy aggroed the dh.

[upper sun]

its kinda toxic to the first person that responds and tries to help imo

[plucky flax]

[fair spruce]

yep while the rest of the team is standing there chewing their lip on whether to help

[spice veldt]

i don't think so anymore

[fair spruce]

fights should always be an instant jump in and clobberem

except outlier what ifs

[spice veldt]

i spawned a dh in the psykh and it attacked me instead of leaving when i aggroed it

[fair spruce]

oh nice

[upper sun]

oh fuck

sooooo game just ends

[still hearth]

Did the BB fix make BB good now

[tulip kettle]

Guys

Guys

Dev note: All projectiles, including projectiles from weapons like Psyker Force Staves and Ogryn Rumbler or player blitz abilities like Psyker “Assail” or Zealot “Blades of Faith” etc, now will only receive the buffs that were active when the projectile was fired/thrown/spawned from the player and keeps those buffs during its trajectory. This for example means that the projectile will have the damage and power the player had when shooting it and they will not time out or be lost during the flight of the projectile.

Ogryn

No more assail weaving?

[still hearth]

RIP Assail

Just keep losing

[tulip kettle]

I mean I think that's the only thing it affects right? There's no other realistic cases where this interaction applies

[vestal fulcrum]

Welcome back Vanessa

[vestal fulcrum]

It sure seems so, unless people will backlash hard enough

[tulip kettle]

So this was done specifically to nerf uncanny + assail interactions

Honestly though what a great patch

Props to FS

Fixing the audio, ambush music, adding more music

[vestal fulcrum]

Well, Psyker is the one that got the short end of the stick

[still hearth]

I'm lurking. Waiting for the real updates.

[tulip kettle]

They unironically listened. And yeah but psyker deserved it, easily the strongest class

[upper sun]

nah vets the strongest

[tulip kettle]

Lol nah

Plasma gun carries the class, the class itself is fine

Psyker just too safe and too much dmg honestly. And they buffed BB and needed assail, which needed to halpen

[still hearth]

Y'all crazy

Zealot literally unkillable

[austere crest]

loving this update

[still hearth]

Doesn't even need guns

[austere crest]

everything feels so consistent

[still hearth]

Just run in and swing at everything

I might have to play

But the big issue is now

I have to redo all my mods

[clear bridge]

Ogryn...

[tulip kettle]

Hells yeah skudie a fellow positivity enjoyer

[still hearth]

Ogryn isn't a class

Ogryn is a horrible monstrosity

[tulip kettle]

What?

[austere crest]

played a little of each style of build tonight and everything feels good (except smite, i havent tried that one, bc smite)

[still hearth]

The class with 66% Toughness resistance permanently

[austere crest]

Im stoked about this patch, you can tell there is a ton of work in optimization

[tulip kettle]

The class that can't take cover or use dodge to avoid scan shooters has high tdr, shocking!

[radiant frigate]

that is great

[austere crest]

im actually loving trauma bubble

[tulip kettle]

Reading the notes I don't see one thing I disagree with, if they actually DID implement what they said this patch looks goated for a "non-content" patch

[austere crest]

and i tried toughness for the first time in 3200 hours, whoa, you can get hit by stuff and not die immediately, mind blowing

[tulip kettle]

What changed with those set ups?

[austere crest]

I don't mind non-content when its like a ton of stuff making it better overall

like my BB's feel like im anim canceling them but i dont really have to anymore

[austere crest]

which, trauma bubble?

idk what it is about all the setups, but they just feel more consistent, i played with no mods for a little, and was really rock solid

[radiant frigate]

wait what

you have always run almost zero toughness?

[austere crest]

ive always ran stamina builds yeah

[radiant frigate]

mad

[austere crest]

my normal build is 75 toughness XD

[radiant frigate]

💀

[austere crest]

its not fun to get touched

[radiant frigate]

my "normal" is 158 now

[austere crest]

they never ask for consent first

[radiant frigate]

now that i have a stam curio

meanwhile on vet i can have like 260

[austere crest]

stamina makes the psyker kit really really fun

[vestal fulcrum]

They can avoid shooters still. They still can take cover. Both things are not the main problem, the main problem is that they have obscene TDR AND replenishment of it via skills

[austere crest]

but on trauma bubble its all around toughness and its like im chillin and supportin its wild

[spice veldt]

and the truly peak +36% additive tdr

[austere crest]

This slaps kinda hard with a keystone

[radiant frigate]

hmm today i will facetank bosses

[austere crest]

doo that

[radiant frigate]

i generally prefer not to

as playing ogryn gives me brain damage

real immersive if you think about it

[austere crest]

lol

[spice veldt]

is there any place where the math on ogryn's tdr has been done?

[wet belfry]

Its not that complicated anyways

[spice veldt]

yeah though i'm pretty sure i did it wrong since i'm getting an absurdly high value

[wet belfry]

the +10% are getting added additively along with feel no pain

[spice veldt]

damn i guess i'll have to turn on the the default toughness ui and experimentally check

[austere crest]

breh

https://dt.wartide.net/calc/

lol

[spice veldt]

that doesn't show damage taken though right?

it only shows the damage dealt by your weapons

and doesn't have talent support last time i checked

[austere crest]

oh yah probably

never tried it

math is hard

just shoot things

[wet belfry]

What is it that you are exactly looking for?

Is it with all TDR active?

[spice veldt]

yeah

just checking experimentally, it's around 70%

(not accounting for bleed tdr)

hmm is the 36% default tdr multiplicative now? if i make it multiplicative instead of additive, my calculations line up

[wet belfry]

Im pretty sure the 36% default is multiplicative

[spice veldt]

36% by default, 30% from the nodes, 25% from FnP, and another 25% from FnP

makes sense

[wet belfry]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3094034467

[spice veldt]

oo

[stable halo]

We just had this conversation earlier - my assail build is still winning auric maelstrom with top 1/2 for damage.

[still hearth]

Yeah I'm exaggerating

[austere crest]

They speak true

[still hearth]

Because that's been the way people react to any Assail nerf

[austere crest]

Was I a good bubble girl?

Cyra stop typing

I see u

[eager junco]

What would happen if hadron fought in the hives of atoma?

[wet belfry]

Too angry to die

[eager junco]

I had that typed out forever now

[austere crest]

XD

[austere crest]

I'd blow her mind

[stable halo]

Best bubble girl 💜

[stable halo]

Hadron solos no contest

[eager junco]

Bro lmaoooo

[stable halo]

Skudie's build is actually insane. Tried it and kept wiping cause you get ended by ANY damage but she's skittering about the field like a freed bird

[austere crest]

lmfao my surge build?

[stable halo]

Yea naked psyker with a knife

[austere crest]

meanwhile, i get hit by a poxwalker and im about to die XD

[rigid sky]

Quake Pro FoV

[austere crest]

lol

[still hearth]

And people called my setup horrible

[vestal fulcrum]

If you don’t have a foot pedal bound to your dodge, you are not playing the game optimally

[patent wing]

im trying to level my first vet (lvl 3) in malice games. no chance. there are noobs loading into this diff with 0 hours

[still hearth]

Just play harder

[rigid sky]

That's fine tbh lol

[patent wing]

yeah ofc u are all sooo gud

its essentially playing solo

with grey 100 weapons and 3 talents

[vestal fulcrum]

Except that’s not the point, but if you really want to grow, it’s easier to acknowledge what you are doing wrong, and could do better

You have no influence over what players you are matching up with

(Unless you party up, IDK)

[spice veldt]

grey weapons and 3 talents but also enemy hp and damage are lower

and enemy spawns are less

and the ranged dr mechanic being more lenient on lower diffs

[rigid sky]

Plus,

It's OK to fail sometimes lol

You want a 100% winrate from level 1 to 30?

Boring game imo

[radiant frigate]

come on you apes, do you want to live forever?

[vestal fulcrum]

IIRC my 1-30 Ogryn was almost lossless

But that’s Ogryn

[rigid sky]

We are all cogs in the machine of the Imperium

[patent wing]

im on the uzi / rashad base weapon build

u i need half a mag for 1 special

[spice veldt]

autopistol?

[rigid sky]

Shredder Autopistol?

It's a piece of shit now :)

[patent wing]

ye

[vestal fulcrum]

Yeah, Zealot starter loadout is fairly shit

[rigid sky]

And Rashad isn't the best until you can make a Bromentum one that reliably gets head 1-shots

[vestal fulcrum]

Rashad is OK

(But no BM is sad)

[patent wing]

team takes ammo, dies, leaves me against reaper and multiple gunners. cant fight them cuz i cant get close xx

( i have zero ammo at this point because i had to fight like 4-5 maulers at once)

[rigid sky]

Be proud that you can help the neophytes learn from you at least

[patent wing]

light attacks are not faster than chaining heavies

[patent wing]

what happened

[rigid sky]

They are with bromentum, headtaker, the right stats.

[rigid sky]

Pinning Fire got a thunderhammer shoved up its arse

Pinning Fire was the secret sauce making the gun at all functional

It still has good maniac damage but it's dogshit against everything else iirc

[patent wing]

sad

[spice veldt]

p much

imagine the columnus but without the finesse or ability to ADS

[patent wing]

but honestly most autoguns play very similar

[spice veldt]

that's exactly what the shredder is

[rigid sky]

Columnus IAG is the new hotness

[patent wing]

that was a critic from a dude about dt

[rigid sky]

Infantry autoguns feel very different from Braced imo

When you know what you're looking at

[patent wing]

they all feel like light sub machine guns

is there an AK type of gun

[rigid sky]

You aren't wrong there though

[vestal fulcrum]

But it at least has inexplicably high Maniac ADM

[rigid sky]

Headhunters should feel very different

[patent wing]

obv yes

[rigid sky]

Braced autoguns are kinda like CS AK I guess but bad at headshot damage

[vestal fulcrum]

That’s not a redeeming factor, it just doesn’t suck against Flamers and Trappers

[rigid sky]

Infantry autoguns feel more like classic ADS FPS rifles

And headshots actually matter on them

Stubbers feel pretty different but they're obviously just for Ogryn

But both of them do feel very different

(Krourk doesn't exist, it's just a bad dream)

I presume you were talking about the Counterstrike AK in particular?

[upper sun]

it can be done but i'm not that guy and 99% chance no one in my tream is that guy

[patent wing]

im playing agripina right now and its a lot better with this gun but shredder wa shorrible

[upper sun]

i remember leveling vet my melee weapon was so bad the jab with helbore actually did more damage and had better clear

[patent wing]

knife > axe (at least in grey mode)

[upper sun]

cant wait for a good shovel tho that shit is amazing

[rigid sky]

Which Agripinaa? Infantry, Braced, Headhunter, Shotgun, Revolver?

[patent wing]

the triple shot

[rigid sky]

There isn't a tripleshot Agripinaa, but there's a 2-round burst which is the Headhunter

[upper sun]

burst fire is nice and that feels easier to aim

[patent wing]

yeah the burst fire on

i hate burst fire

[rigid sky]

Try the infantry autogun imo

Agri for penetration, Columnus for sheer dps (mostly through firerate)

Graia for uh idk

[patent wing]

yeah i mean the only gun i have exp with are the revolver/flamer for my zealot, stubber on ogryn and ciag on gunker

[terse saffron]

graia groll is worse than mid agri

[rigid sky]

Braced Autoguns are also OK I think but I don't really know

They have bad headshot and crit multipliers

[patent wing]

i am tempted to try helbore

[rigid sky]

But more bodyshot damage

[patent wing]

ive never used a bayonet

[rigid sky]

Fuck yeah

If you want a good bayonet play the Mk I (medium) or the Mk II (light, basically an MGXII with a charge-up mode)

The MkIII is the heavy (like a mini plasma gun) but the bayonet is shit

[patent wing]

i have a mk1 im gonna try

[rigid sky]

Good stuff, go burn some heads

Idk if Recons are good ATM but the bad maniac multiplier puts me off

Maniacs are usually the top priority targets for a gun

[haughty star]

Is the patch notes around brain burst a buff?

[spice veldt]

a mild one yeah

basically the speedup from resonance and the like now applies to the aftercast animation

[patent wing]

wtf

the bayonet is like the best melee in game

xd

[spice veldt]

the mk3

[patent wing]

mk1

[rigid sky]

Is usually considered garbage compared to the 1 and 2 lol

[spice veldt]

no i'm saying that kaliste is referring to the mk3's bayonet when he says it's shit

[patent wing]

its a spear with huge range and the attack speed makes it a horde clear weapon

and it two shots specs

[spice veldt]

the mk3 has a different bayo moveset from the mk1 and mk2

[rigid sky]

The bayonet needs to be good since the hellbores have dogshit swap speeds

[rigid sky]

Yeah, in the previous message i was saying the 1 and 2 are great though lol

[patent wing]

the shot charge mechanic is interesting tho

sniper gun

[rigid sky]

Yeah, they have a lot of room for finesse

You gotta get a feel for how long to charge for different targets

[patent wing]

and on top u get a beer bottle open sound with each shot lol

[haughty star]

Does it feel a Lil better? Is it like a generalized increase in speed?

[spice veldt]

it's appreciable yeah

the difference between not qq swapping and qq swapping is less pronounced than before

[radiant frigate]

are shovels any good now

[haughty star]

I always thought it felt fine it just needed a little hastening. What is qq swap?

[upper sun]

I have no idea I have thrust 3 on one with garbage perks and it one shots a crusher if it crits

tho its only purple

[spice veldt]

basically swapping off of your blitz and back to your blitz

which is done to skip the after-cast animation

[radiant frigate]

foldable? on vet?

[upper sun]

ye

[radiant frigate]

huh

[upper sun]

mark 3 with the pick

[hard dragon]

Guess her name

[rigid sky]

Sharon.

[upper sun]

sharon

aaaaaah

[radiant frigate]

i hate everything about this

[flint aspen]

fucked or can be saved?

[hallow sinew]

F

[vestal fulcrum]

It’s alright

It depends on what you want to do with it. If you want to make a Blazing Spirit Trauma, this is an OK base

[upper sun]

is it just me or does dodging feel better after the patch?