psyker-class

[austere crest]

eh

i low key dont take a keystone so i have low damage

but still get high damage so i know DD would be a bit much

run-n-gun too strong

now with gun psyker, thats a whole different thing, thats like, insane

[rigid sky]

At least try it for a game

The mini game of hunting the blue bois is really fun

[austere crest]

if i do DD i would do all 3 stones so i dont have to worry about the blue ones

[rigid sky]

And you can make your assails one-shot anything that's not an elite

[austere crest]

thats so distracting XD

yeah itd be switching to assails for sure

[rigid sky]

That's the fun of it though

You're secretly playing a totally different game from the blunts

[austere crest]

lol

[rigid sky]

And they have no idea

[austere crest]

end up going super out of the way for a single poxwalker lol

[rigid sky]

It's like "wow, you really must have hated that one poxwalker"

[austere crest]

if blue was only on elites/specialist i think that would be sick

[rigid sky]

And you're like "you have no idea how grateful I am for that walker's presence "

[austere crest]

lol

[rigid sky]

Nah, it helps you to farm the stacks back up when they fall off

It's actually great because the blunts will often ignore it while they chase the elites behind it

[austere crest]

i feel like theres more elites than blues yah?

[rigid sky]

And you're like "thanks mate <3"

Any human sized target can go blue

If it was limited to elites and specialists you'd get your stack erased way more

[austere crest]

oh yeah its every second isnt it

[rigid sky]

But the synergy with guns and voidstrike is absolutely nuts

[rigid sky]

As soon as you kill one, another can go blue

And it favours things in your cone of vision

[austere crest]

fuck! my recording didnt save

[rigid sky]

So you can deliberately pick a side where your team aren't focusing

But yeah, DD and SG together are the secret sauce that makes your guns stronger than a Veteran's

[austere crest]

ive ran it before on a bunch of diff builds

the only thing ive never tried is smite because its smite

XD

[rigid sky]

I tried it and I bored myself to death

[austere crest]

i cant slow down that much

[rigid sky]

VERY MUCH LIMITED POWAHHHHHH

[austere crest]

if i cant hold shift and W at the same time 100% of the time i cant do it

lmfao

my crackhead playstyle wouldnt allow it

[upper sun]

pfff you guys need to stop playing builds where you need to aim

purge and surge staves are the best

[austere crest]

i use the surges secondary for the random annoying gunners that are the same darkness as the corners they hide in

theyre so god damn annoying

and 75 toughness they just keep it gone

[upper sun]

no i only secondary cast it

just do 360s and let the auto aim deal with it

[rigid sky]

I like that one VS shot per game I get where I can nail a lateral running target

I take Assail because I'm bad at it but sometimes you hit it and it's just chef's kiss

[austere crest]

it trulyt pains me that psykers use only secondary

the primary is just too good

But you would def have to aim XD

[dim parrot]

primary can come in clutch when u need that extra range

[rigid sky]

I only really use the LMB for knocking down isolated threats

I use Purgatus LMB more

[austere crest]

you can clear a whole horde from across the map with lmb , just strafe left and right

[vivid estuary]

Well I usually use a lasgun for sniping stuff and assail for clearing hordes

[rigid sky]

CIAG is my drug

Continual Beam Of Instant Fucking Death

Assail for spread out shit or isolated stuff

CIAG for the cone of murder

[vivid estuary]

I know people might disagree to using the lasgun instead of a staff but the build I have builds up peril really fast from just using assail

[dim parrot]

whats the dump stat on ciag?

[rigid sky]

Have you tried a laspistol?

[vivid estuary]

I used laspistol first but then switched to the lasgun

[rigid sky]

Disrupt Destiny and Scrier's Gaze favours weapons with good weakspot and crit characteristics

I think laspistol and CIAG fit psyker the best by far

[vivid estuary]

'cause it had more damage, thinking of switching back because it isn't as accurate

[rigid sky]

If you haven't already, do a crit/weakspot gun like a laspistol or CIAG with the SG and DD talent archetypes

[vivid estuary]

that's what i already have

[rigid sky]

That's the peak of gun psyker

Good good good

[rigid sky]

Probably mobility

You can actually afford damage being in the 60s or so

[dim parrot]

thank u sibling

[rigid sky]

The damage range for CIAG isn't so broad

[dim parrot]

I will probably try to farm a good ciag next

[vivid estuary]

I use the laspistol to keep dd up between hordes, and it's easier to manually aim at weakpoints than hoping the shards will hit them

[rigid sky]

I just don't like the damage that laspistol does to my mouse lol

And I want faster weapons so wouldn't really want to try Kantrael laspistol

Maybe I'd like it with auto fire mod

Right-click Assail is better for forcing the DD refresh

But still unreliable

[vivid estuary]

I think the firerate is just fine

[rigid sky]

More reliable than LMB but not enough

[rigid sky]

You use the Kantrael then?

It is on my list of things to try

[vivid estuary]

it's slower but that just means you gotta be more accurate

I don't like fast firerate weapons

[rigid sky]

It's more about hitting lots of targets in a small space for me

[vivid estuary]

that's what assail is for

or a melee

[rigid sky]

CIAG really rewards accuracy when it comes to nailing the headline

And bosses

[rigid sky]

Good luck when that cluster is like 10 gunners lol

[vivid estuary]

yeah?

what about them?

[rigid sky]

But yeah it's more about personal taste imi

Imo

[vivid estuary]

i use sield wall i can just stunlock them

[rigid sky]

But then no Scrier's Gaze which is like half the fun

[vivid estuary]

ehh, i like the shield utility

[rigid sky]

Gunker for me is all about stacking all the damage multipliers you can

[vivid estuary]

got mutatnts coming and need to res teammate, pop a shield and not worry anout it

[rigid sky]

Or pop SG and mow it down in like 6 CIAG bullets

"Ranged resistant" my ass

[vivid estuary]

I let somone else do that and res the teammate

[rigid sky]

I like bubble on my Trauma build because that's more supporty

I deal with threats on Gunker by murdering them

[vivid estuary]

I usually like playing support, helping my team by killing everything is what I do when i play zealot

or veteran

[rigid sky]

I don't have fixed conceptions based on classes much these days

It's all just down to specific talent builds

[vivid estuary]

which play into a specific type of playstyle

a class

or subclass in this case

[rigid sky]

Yeah, subclass being the more important element

The devs gave us SG for a reason

(To make us embarrassingly explode as often as possible)

But I love bubble too don't get me wrong

[vivid estuary]

i used SG for a bit and got bored of it

[rigid sky]

It fits better with Trauma for me

I think Shriek is the most powerful in most cases

Outside of Trauma and Gun I use burning Shriek

Hordus Deletus

[vivid estuary]

Shreik is neat, it's what i use for my purgatus build, which is just centered around lighting things on fire

Light something on fire, got random brain burst in there, if it's a special it spreads more fire, random brain burst colldown wears off and it spreads again

[rigid sky]

Fits very well with Surge and Void too

Covers your weakness (wide formation enemies)

[vivid estuary]

I mostly like it because Sienna is one of my mains in VT2

[upper sun]

I feel bad for new players who have the misfortune to play in the start of the week

everyone is speed running t1s for weeklies

[vivid estuary]

Especially in public lobbies i see shroud zealots just running to the next door and doing nothing for the team

I saw one that wasn't even collecting anything

[ornate hamlet]

anybody has figure it out yet who the 'Beloved' is?

[upper sun]

its ||the emperor||

[vivid estuary]

either the emperor or tzeench

[upper sun]

woops

nah tzeench wouldnt be so helpful

[vivid estuary]

why not?

[upper sun]

chaos = bad

[vivid estuary]

not really

[upper sun]

WOW

[vivid estuary]

especially tzeench

[upper sun]

W O W

SAY EMPEROR IS KING SAY IT NOW

[ornate hamlet]

the Emperor with feathers...

99% sure is a fucking lord of change fucking with the psyker

[vivid estuary]

yeah that what I thought, there was one line i heard, i forgot what it was but it clicked that beloved might be tzeench

[upper sun]

@umbral helm settle this debate for us

[supple sedge]

Ulgo not want krump favorite psyker

[vivid estuary]

It was with the male psyker voice that sounds like medic

[upper sun]

hes just german

[ornate hamlet]

so the lore of this game is basically Tzeentch and Khorne fucking with Papa's plans🤣

[mental grail]

It's me

I'm talking to him

[rigid sky]

Male Loner

[mighty cipher]

Doran is a default name. Probably a different guy but… there’s still a chance.

Also, Doran was actually pretty good. It was the psykers that sucked omega nut.

He also backfilled after I joined.

[upper sun]

yeah he wasnt bad just strange seeing someone often

Emperor please.... this is my 10th good base illisi please throw me a deimos

[hollow current]

BRRRRT

[fluid dawn]

Is this okay had to roll off a groaner and poxwalker roll perk and a Terrifying barrage Lv 1 blessing is it okay to use know the gun is great but thought it would be funny

[silent coral]

So do i just need to change the perks to flak and manic? Or keep the perks and change surge to warp flurry?

[hollow current]

surge is really good on voidstrike. especially with the true aim node.

Change unyielding to flak and maybe try out carapace if you want to bully Crushers.

[hollow current]

given what you had to work with, that's a decent recovery. i haven't used autopistol on psyker though.

[eager mantle]

I prefer flurry and transfer peril on void

[rigid sky]

For the Surge nuker build your blessings are perfect (well nexus IV is better but III is more than fine)

Take creeping flames Shriek with it

Transfer Peril builds are a bit different, you could make a different one Flurry/Transfer for that

Actually holy shit

Apart from perks and one blessing being rank 3

That's usable out of the box lol

Probably want Flak over Unyielding but yeah

[near drift]

Does anyone unironically take autopistol on psyker, the one time I tried it I felt like I was throwing

[rigid sky]

It was the psyker gun pre-13 imo, that or laspistol

Is it a Finesse weapon?

[upper sun]

acktually if you have the two blessings and the two perks it needs and only land headshots its very viable 🤓

[rigid sky]

Psyker today prefers those due to SG/DD/Mettle

I usually see gunker done best with CIAG or Laspistols

[supple sedge]

Sparkheads how do Ulgo teach new recrute to play psyker?

[upper sun]

well you can tell them to read the guide in the pins

[fluid dawn]

Gun psyker just makes most things usable so wanted to try it it if it ever get buffs it might be good

[upper sun]

its a very good starting point

[supple sedge]

No not in server. Friend not interested in joining server

Ulgo need tips

[fluid dawn]

I mean it’s not even close to what I’m currently using

[supple sedge]

Wha... look bootiful

Even ogryn know this look good

[eager token]

SEND LINK TO SPARKYHEAD FRIEND https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

HIS BIG BRAIN READ GOOD

[supple sedge]

Thanking you!

[hollow current]

why use ghost when empathic evasion is a thing

[fluid dawn]

Dodging and immune are a bit different in code at least from my understanding from gameplay

[tired estuary]

you really want both flak + maniac as perk and both blaze away + pinning fire for multiplicative power bonuses on top of gunker stuff

shredder is v outclassed by iag columnus rn but it's totally usable

[harsh urchin]

BA is pretty mediocre ever since they changed how it worked

[fluid dawn]

Yeah just so much of the gun was just not usable might change to flak or maniac still

[hollow current]

I never looked into it/tested it but whatever difference there may be , I feel it's minor. When I got Empathic going I can just walk up and kill gunners.

[harsh urchin]

I would probably go with PF + Inspiring or PF + Powder

[tired estuary]

Part of shredder strength is being able to chew up any ragers/disablers in vicinity so imo its good to lean into that

[fluid dawn]

Yeah love it on the dueling sword but I think you can still get hit stun by gunners when I’m using the lazpistol which is why I slapped ghost on

[tired estuary]

But flak also covers a really important base

[hollow current]

I don't think you can get stunned but maybe pushed? I'll have to see if I have any video of me getting bullied until I get my crits going.

[fluid dawn]

I just don’t agree with this take I know it may be right but it seems incredibly flawed due to other perks just feeling worse

[harsh urchin]

have you tried the other perks?

[fluid dawn]

Pushed and unable to hit with my stability maybe it’s better for other rolls

[fluid dawn]

Yes

[harsh urchin]

inspiring actually feels quite good because it essentially makes you immune to damage while you're killing stuff

so does powderburn, 20% extra damage against stalkers/etc feels quite good

on the contrary, BA only feels impactful against stuff like reapers, due to stuff usually dying before you can stack it up properly

with how they changed how the stacks work

[fluid dawn]

Why inspiring when gun psyker has the 2nd highest toughness regen under ogryn

[hollow current]

Yeah mine is all 80's except for mobility which is 54 so maybe that might be part of it.

[harsh urchin]

cuz then you get to skip a bunch of talents cuz you only need mettle and take better talents

[fluid dawn]

Also dmg hit through is already mitigated via the ult and more regen won’t help with that so I just don’t see the point of running inspiring it just seems so redundant not bad just little value for the slot over blaze away

[harsh urchin]

the other problem is that shredder simply has poor synergy with crits

[fluid dawn]

Might make sense but the pushed makes it just way to inconsistent

[harsh urchin]

i think it has like a 1.1x multiplier from what I remember

[fluid dawn]

My guy mettle still procs off it

[harsh urchin]

which makes it terrible with SG

great you proc mettle, but you don't do any dmg

grats lol

[fluid dawn]

So blaze away helps you do dmg to gunners until you can push with dueling sword

It feels very correct to run inspiring on maybe other classes but psyker no

[harsh urchin]

there are many reasons why shredder fell out of meta

but the current one that is pretty insurmountable is just the poor finesse numbers

you're not going to perform vs any other gun that has good finesse numbers

especially on psyk

[fluid dawn]

Fair but none of this helps your point it’s obviously bad on psyker atm but that doesn’t magically make inspiring insane for no reason

[harsh urchin]

Nobody said inspiring is "insane" you're actually just making that shit up lol

I do think inspiring is a good blessing though, it's only not commonly used because it doesnt add dmg

But we can agree to disagree, since you dont think its very good

[fluid dawn]

Better you’re calling it better fine ig insane was a hyperbole but your arguing dmg vs a perk that offers redundancy for the build I think it’s usable in valid what build are you using it in shout or bubble? Then yeah maybe inspiring is better.

[rigid sky]

Gunker used to take Kinetic flayer

And pinning fire used to be nuts

[spice veldt]

the crusher 1-shot

[rigid sky]

Shredder at the time was nuts on literally all the little'uns

[mental grail]

wallah BY THE EMPEROR the patches rolled down and the meta shifted

good times

[upper sun]

you mean wa-emperor right?

[mental grail]

Of course sibling

of course...

[radiant frigate]

[hollow current]

a quick and dirty test showing how empathic works for me.

[nimble burrow]

i dont know why i never noticed dumdum stacks off the burn lol

[wind spruce]

Also procs off soulblaze

[nimble burrow]

also that

[frail harness]

Brunt had a 380 Trauma staff today. I upgraded it and it needs both blessings changed but the perks are 15% carapace damage and 20% unyielding damage. I assume those aren't optimal for a rending staff but probably still pretty okay?

[hollow current]

what blessings did you roll on Trauma?

[frail harness]

It had a level 1 crit chance that I changed to try and force the RNG. Didn't work and I got terrifying barrage 4

[stone totem]

I wish recon lasgun was good so I could be a funny gunker with it

[lyric burrow]

well you can still be a funny gunker with it

but it wont be good

youll just assail the whole time lol

[rigid sky]

Just go CIAG

Feels similar only it spits hyperdeath instead of laser piss

[hollow current]

No one asked but here's the 7 minutes that happened before this clip. I got unlucky with my scan gambles and missed every guess I made but one.
funny moments are at 55seconds where I fight the scanner because I tried scrolling out and 5:08 with the zealot voice lines about the vet.

[mental grail]

Aside from revolver and CIAG

Is autopistol good?

[fluid dawn]

Heavy Lazpistol’s and the good headhunters Aguns but nah the auto pistol isn’t in the best spot atm

[mental grail]

I'm guessing you run headhunter autogun with smite/assail for cc

Headhunter + bb seems like hyperaids

[frail harness]

The infantry lasguns are in a better spot than headhunters RN IMO. HH's suffer from really poor maniac damage

[fluid dawn]

Yeah that’s true I feel the vraks preforms really well even then

[radiant frigate]

which vraks

single shot or burst

[lyric burrow]

All the HH guns work tbh

Iags are better and the agri HH can be a bit funky tho

Id bring assail though

If your not taking like illlsi/dclaw or something

[radiant frigate]

i tried messing with builds today

ended up with something that was one step away from gunker

probably would have been a better call

so i don't explode

[fluid dawn]

Burst

[radiant frigate]

understandable

[stuck sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-darktide-rave-40k-kruber-gif-26978274

[long wharf]

another week without any comms from FartShack

[mighty olive]

i know, am dissapoint

been playing some helldivers 2 when the servers let me

[long wharf]

I'm waiting for the Helldivers devs to remove GameGuard before I buy it

I played some Last Epoch over the past weekend, that was fun

[mighty olive]

i doubt they'll remove game guard, unfortunetly

[long wharf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mighty olive]

i play another game that uses it too so it's not new to me

[long wharf]

I'm willing to not give them any money until they do

[mighty olive]

got ya 😦

[long wharf]

which is a real shame; I otherwise think they're great devs, and Helldivers 2 looks like an insane amount of fun

I put a couple hundred hours into the first

[mighty olive]

mhm it is very addicting, has everything i love, blood, guts, big explosions, meme emotes

[long wharf]

yep, looks super enjoyable

shame about GameGuard

[mighty olive]

i know it 😦

[long wharf]

oh well, gives me plenty of time for working on my project

[upper sun]

I dont get why they didnt just have the microtransactions on their backend instead of making everyone use gameguard

[long wharf]

especially for an online-only game, relying on anything client-side is pointless

[upper sun]

ooor just let steam handle it like with darktide

[static needle]

Might it be worth running ghost on the new laspistol for psyker instead of infernus and then also emphatic evasion in ur skill tree?

[long wharf]

do whatever you want

but EE is always a good node to get

[static needle]

of course -_- but i am here to weigh the benefits and drawbacks

[lyric burrow]

I prefer infernus as i find EE enough on its own

Well actually

For new i just run raking dum dum

[static needle]

raking?

[wind spruce]

You should ALWAYS take EE with las pistol

[static needle]

for what?

[lyric burrow]

It would be fine thouhh

[static needle]

not if you have ghost already

[wind spruce]

It's incredibly good

[wind spruce]

Yes if you have Ghost already

[lyric burrow]

Just when stuff happens to show its back/bon

[static needle]

and im also talking about new pistol

new pistol is slower firing and cant maintain EE as fast as old

[lyric burrow]

Las pistol blessings are kinda just dum dum/whatever

[static needle]

and you will get shot up

[wind spruce]

It's still very much worth it

[static needle]

what, for melee?

[wind spruce]

For the las pistol lol

[lyric burrow]

Yeah if your taking a crit weapon take EE

[static needle]

not at all

cause if i hit head it gives the exact same thing

and I hit heads a lot

[wind spruce]

Whatever. This is a dumb discussion. Obviously it's worth the point investment on such a high crit chance weapon.

[static needle]

why when you already get the same thing from ghost?

and it lasts longer lol

[wind spruce]

Additional coverage for when you aren't hitting heads

[static needle]

i always am lol

unless im doing melee

[wind spruce]

If you're some omegaGod who has a 100% weakpoint rate then sure, whatever

[static needle]

i mean it probably wont be as good as EE but i mean its a small loss for a whole skill point gained

idk might try it

[upper sun]

OR you have a massive 4k monitor

[static needle]

how big of a damage difference does infernus do for new laspistol?

[lyric burrow]

Not huge imo

Its fire rate is low and your only proccing it on bosses

[static needle]

dont need that lol. Very comfortable with my 1440p 27´´ monitor

[lyric burrow]

I like it more on mk2

[upper sun]

still an upgrade over my lcd from 17 years ago 😢

idk how it even still works they dont make them like they used to

[lyric burrow]

Is it like an old dell one

Wait

What are you connecting it through

Just an adapter?

[upper sun]

me?

[lyric burrow]

Yeah

[upper sun]

vga its an acer al1916w

[lyric burrow]

Huh i thought vga was newer than that for some reason

Ik its old

Er nvm i confused vga and dvi

[long wharf]

uh what?

VGA is the old blue-plastic monitor connector

analog signal

[wind spruce]

It's mainly for bosses. Get ovenproofs scoreboard extension so you can see your burn damage

[lyric burrow]

Yeah

He did say its an old monitor

Idk what the card is though

That can still run dt

[long wharf]

DVI is Digital Video Interface, with the white-plastic connector

[upper sun]

i stream it on geforce

4090

[lyric burrow]

Yeah i kinda group up all the ones you screw in together

[long wharf]

what are you streaming it to?

[lyric burrow]

Still

[upper sun]

do you really have to ask

[lyric burrow]

Only recently have i seen them again

[upper sun]

guess the laptop

[long wharf]

oh, I see, an old acer laptop

[upper sun]

thinkpad 😎

[long wharf]

oh, that's a monitor

[fresh reef]

:/

[upper sun]

theres a very slight input lag with nvidia tho

[long wharf]

... there's no way that's a satisfactory way to play anything

[lyric burrow]

Well it sounds like the alternative is not playing tbf

[upper sun]

its very very slight but yeah i need a real set up

[long wharf]

so, why are you streaming to a thinkpad laptop?

[upper sun]

because i'm a student in a foreign country and i really dont wanna drag a 10kg pc when i go home

[long wharf]

what's the lag like?

[upper sun]

its not bad over all 20ping? the nvidia server is in the same country as me

[long wharf]

still... 1440x900 on a 17" monitor is...

yikes.

[upper sun]

thats perfectly fine

[buoyant maple]

Small because it’s 3 stacks per crit
Most things will die to 3 critical hits from mk10 laspistol

[long wharf]

nope, gonna hard disagree with you there

it's barely better than 720p

[upper sun]

id much rather have a 120hz monitor that makes a bigger difference

[long wharf]

and at 17" the pixel density isn't very good

I'd rather play at 1440p @ 120hz

[upper sun]

its fine for now idk if ill even still be playing darktide once i get a decent setup

[long wharf]

I bet Windows Solitaire looks amazing on that screen

[upper sun]

🙄

you know people play apex on steam decks

[long wharf]

I am not one of them

[lyric burrow]

I mean 1440p probably looks a little off since it is meant for bigger screens but

Its def playable

Which is the baseline really

[long wharf]

I did play Hades on my Steam Deck, though

that was more for the convenience of sitting on a couch

[lyric burrow]

Lower refresh rate would throw me off but thats just cause im not used to it now

[long wharf]

and Hades plays better with thumbsticks than a kb+m anyways

[long wharf]

no game studio is designing the level of detail in their games for a minimum screen resolution larger than 1080p

[buoyant maple]

I prob have the most cursed settings here

[long wharf]

not until graphics hardware can push 4k @ 60 at a price where everyone has it

which, outside of the current gen consoles, is nobody

[buoyant maple]

Nvidia control panel: Nvidia Image Scaling 50% sharpening which enables 1632x918 resolution in game
DLSS performance
Sharpening on
90fps cap
FSR3 frame gen mod active
All texture details set to 0

[lyric burrow]

Yeah i haven't pushed 4k yet

[upper sun]

monitors are not that bad the issue is getting a graphics card that can run darktide as such resolutions without crap like dlss

[lyric burrow]

My card could run it for some games

But not at a crazy fps

And i like big monitors and 4k ultrawide costs a ton

[long wharf]

DLSS is really good for game performance

because it can replace AA as well as do the supersampling

[upper sun]

yeah but i dont like the way it looks and it does have some texture flicker for me

[long wharf]

I mean, at 1440x900, you don't have the pixel density to really care about the finer details 🙂

[upper sun]

I just dont like the way dlss makes the game look its viably blurred out

[long wharf]

yes, it can be

but all anti-aliasing does that as well

[lyric burrow]

It does depend on how much your trying to have it make up

To my knowledge

I havent used it much

[long wharf]

you can run DLSS at your native resolution, as well

you don't get as much fps game that way, but you do get improved overall picture quality

[buoyant maple]

That’s NIS

DLSS will downgrade ur visuals

[upper sun]

also im not a big fan of how nvidia software locked it out of 30 series cards

[buoyant maple]

NIS can be activated while rendering native

[long wharf]

locked what out, DLSS3?

[prime elk]

They only locked out frame gen no?

[long wharf]

I care less about that

[upper sun]

yeah

[buoyant maple]

FSR3 will come to darktide eventually

It’s listed on their website

[upper sun]

im pretty sure its DLSS in general

[prime elk]

3000 cards have dlss…

[lyric burrow]

Im curious to try it when it drops

My game does run fine atm but still

[long wharf]

yeah, DLSS2 is available on all 3000 series cards

[buoyant maple]

I tried it with a mod that replaces DLSS frame gen with fsr3 frame gen (am on rtx 3060)

It’s a very noticeable performance gain

[long wharf]

DLSS3 can be unlocked by messing with driver configs, and the performance isn't great

[buoyant maple]

But because it’s not that well implemented rn, there’s UI ghosting

[long wharf]

DLSS3 really requires the 4000 series hardware

[buoyant maple]

Makes ur UI look like it got emp’d

[lyric burrow]

What is fsr3 supported on anyway

Just 7x cards?

[buoyant maple]

Most cards iirc

[barren arch]

got it

[lyric burrow]

Ah ok

[prime elk]

I thought it’s most cards since amd doesn’t lock that shit behind hardware

[barren arch]

don't got it - someone beat me to the punch lol

[lament glen]

it was meeeeee

[long wharf]

you got ninja'd

[barren arch]

yooouuuu fookrrrrrrr

how dare >:(

[lyric burrow]

Ah cool

[lament glen]

I called mental dibs

[barren arch]

nuh uh

[hollow current]

this is why i hate bombers. cant see shid

[untold niche]

https://www.pcgamer.com/finally-a-game-that-lets-me-time-travel-to-medieval-europe-with-an-ak-47-and-a-pickup-truck/?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow&fbclid=IwAR0LBDBHHlqXzK4FGXF7MeqrCSGd2TVy5J_t7b-PsehH0kBe4t62UbQYkxk

I have a feeling people here will like thos game.

[untold niche]

Isn't it only available on 4000 series?

[untold niche]

I always found ulgo amusing but watching a ogryn rp with another one was pretty funny

[potent echo]

Framegen DLSS is only on 4000 series yep

[harsh urchin]

@indigo portal ok new tech to skip the queue

lmao

lmk if you wanna kno

[indigo portal]

sure yeah what's up

what be the scoop

[hollow current]

chocolate mint

[harsh urchin]

right click a friend who's in the game already

and click join

and it puts you into the game skipping the queue

[indigo portal]

Ah yeah I've heard about that one

I haven't been able to try it yet though, prior to today's patch if I did that I'd get a black screen and would need to verify game files

Supposedly they fixed it but nobody has been playing today

[flat helm]

for truama staff which modifiers are most important?

[abstract arch]

blast and charge rate

[untold niche]

never thoiugh i would ask thsi
anyone vet main here

[radiant frigate]

no

what's the question

(vet secondary)

[austere crest]

ammo & stability

https://tenor.com/view/sound-about-right-thats-right-sounds-right-seth-meyers-late-night-gif-14147209

[radiant frigate]

Real

[untold niche]

when your stamina run out, do you spritn slower?

[spice veldt]

YEAH

oop

caps

psyker and vet only get 50% of their sprint bonus at zero stamina

ogryn and zealot get 75% of their sprint bonus at zero stamina

so, let's say you're a psyker, who has a base sprint speed of 5 m/s

and you have something like a knife, where you get +0.65 sprint speed from it, resulting in 5.65 m/s when sprinting with stamina

at zero stamina, you will instead sprint at 5 + (0.65 * 50%) = 5.325 m/s

actually i'm second guessing myself now

time to check how movement works again

[untold niche]

arco should i change green to green and red to red?

[spice veldt]

i would never use +stamina on weapon spec

[untold niche]

kant + combat axe

[untold niche]

how come

[spice veldt]

yeah caxe has a pretty typical block cost so you won't need that much stamina

[untold niche]

but vet is so heavy, running take so much stam

[spice veldt]

you could sprint slide if nothing else

and you regenerate stamina on getting hit anyways

[untold niche]

whats the cooldown on sprint slide?
same as dodge slide?

Wait you do?

[spice veldt]

if it's kant + caxe, then i probably wouldn't go for exhilirating takedown

i'd go for either confirmed kill or out for blood

yeah, if you are below 50% stamina, any hit to your toughness/health regenerates 1 bar of stamina

[untold niche]

i didnt takle it tho

[spice veldt]

OH oop

oh i got my numbers wrong

the sprint speed is based on your walking speed

the base walk speed is 4 m/s, and your default sprint bonus is +1 m/s along with whatever your weapon gives

[untold niche]

this was my original build

[untold niche]

then changed to this one

[spice veldt]

i will say that not having iron will or tactical awareness is quite a shame

[untold niche]

which one sare those

[spice veldt]

i would not take Skirmisher (the right node above weapon spec)

[spice veldt]

they're down the middle tree

[untold niche]

so expensive!

[spice veldt]

50% toughness DR when above 75% toughness, and -6s ability CDR on spec kill

[untold niche]

+25% damage tho, not gud?

[spice veldt]

yeah but you have to sprint for 5 seconds to build stacks and they don't last long

5 continuous seconds

[untold niche]

wait i have to sprint for 5 seconds?

[spice veldt]

yeah

[untold niche]

i thought it just means the buff lasted 5 seconds

[spice veldt]

oh right i forget if it was exactly 5 seconds

but it still takes some time before it procs

it doesn't stack as you'd expect

test it in the psykh and you'll see what i mean

[untold niche]

quick question, for kant, does suppression count as stagger for the blessing?

[spice veldt]

nah

the suppression thing is when enemies kneel down and cower

also, the shotguns already have really good suppression

https://streamable.com/98p511

enemies kneeling down each time i shoot my shotgun

[untold niche]

eh in personal experience it sort of varies

[spice veldt]

(groaners are the only melee enemy that can be suppressed)

[untold niche]

for the gunners

[spice veldt]

yeah but the suppression is centered around you

[spice veldt]

i also wouldn't take this talent

above survivalist

[untold niche]

how come

isnt it psuedo twbs

[spice veldt]

only on toughness break

and on a 30 second cooldown

and requires a 2 point investment

[untold niche]

long cd
ahh, most likely you get interrupted when stamina broken or winding up attack right

ok makes snese

[spice veldt]

you could deliberately proc it and then VoC to recover your toughness back, but that's for a pretty greedy playstyle and not worth the 2 point investment

[untold niche]

quick question

how many krak can you hold

without the +1

[spice veldt]

i forgor

[elder glade]

2

[spice veldt]

something like 2

[elder glade]

Kraks are a fickle mistress

[untold niche]

do this for the instant 50 stam?

[spice veldt]

you could, but recall that you regenerate stamina on getting hit until you exceed 50% stamina

you might like it as an anti boss thing but you're also running kraks and VoC

which is all the boss stagger you need

[untold niche]

THen why would you purposefully proc the twbs and voc? like whats the purpose

i guess, up to preference? for the greens

[spice veldt]

as a very niche scenario specifically to take advantage of the stun immunity

[untold niche]

like when bossing as you said?

[spice veldt]

yeah

but very niche and your build already covers safety against bosses

i would not take serrated blade or exploit weakness

[untold niche]

why not serrated blade?

if 3x crusher horde its easier no?

[spice veldt]

it's 1 bleed stack per hit, and caxes are not hitting that much

[untold niche]

oh i circled the wrong one

LOL

[spice veldt]

a caxe can 4-hit crushers

o

[untold niche]

i wante d to circle the +1 grenade

[spice veldt]

yeah you could go for it

though you prob don't need it

esp with kant

since you don't need to worry about bulwarks

[untold niche]

+1 grenade or close order drill?

Kant does poopoo against crusher tho

[spice veldt]

feel free to go for it though

yeah though you've got a melee build with caxe

[untold niche]

that is true but im poopoo, only can reliably kill 1 crusher with caxe with zombos runing around

so you would run close order drill?

[spice veldt]

+1 nade is a nice pick then yeah

i'm not in coherency very much so i personally don't unless i'm also taking confirmed kill

[untold niche]

hmmm that is a good point :v

life is hard.

[spice veldt]

i'd go for the toughness on weapon spec swap

[untold niche]

can i take this one xD

[spice veldt]

i ban you from taking it

[untold niche]

huh? even with voc and the -6 second thingy?

[spice veldt]

yeah, since specials aren't always up

and you'll need to fight elite packs

[untold niche]

why :v
twbs for ranged

[spice veldt]

esp if you're diving ranged enemies with melee

[untold niche]

yeah thats why take duck and dive bro

[spice veldt]

you regenerate stamina on being hit

including from ranged attacks

[untold niche]

is this a vet only thing?

[spice veldt]

all classes have it

[untold niche]

i see, never knew

[spice veldt]

not easy to observe but you will especially feel it on ogryn

[untold niche]

no wonder ogryn so tank

[elder glade]

Me: Runs stripped down and duck and dive

[untold niche]

what is stripped down

[elder glade]

[untold niche]

that just sounds like a sexual offender build

[spice veldt]

kant doesn't have stripped down and it's not a deadshot build so i figure he doesn't need it unless he wants to build for a niche scenario with bosses and ranged enemies

stripped down is omnidirectional ranged immunity while sprinting above a certain stamina threshold

[elder glade]

Yep

[untold niche]

can't find stripped down

[elder glade]

It's a blessing

[untold niche]

oh

more like a sin

[untold niche]

that sounds very cool dude

that sounds like

ultimate anti gunner

i shoul do that :v

[spice veldt]

yeah it's p neat

this is what i'd personally run, as a modification of the talent tree that you're currently using

[untold niche]

is it a melee or gun blessing? stripped down.

[spice veldt]

gun blessing

for the autoguns and maybe something else i'm forgetting

[untold niche]

oh, so kant doesnt have it?

[spice veldt]

i don't think so

i haven't upgraded many shotguns though so who knows

[untold niche]

so sad, i thought i could duck and dive while stripped down too.

so sad

don't have

okeh arco thanks

u are the best

the vets were roasting me

very sad

my ego hurt ebcause they said i would die in auric

[spice veldt]

the things i changed around was taking +1 grenade instead of grenade tinkerer,
and taking the top-right talents and taking off +reload speed on weapon spec swap

[untold niche]

how come yo utake top right talents

why sprint cost

i understnad out for blood prob is good because one swing where you kil l3 peepo is like 10% toughness
assuming its flat toughness, is it?

[spice veldt]

i figure that you'll be up close so long shot is whatevs
i prefer the right-side reload speed talent over elite reload on shotguns

the sprint cost talent is p much just a tax node

[spice veldt]

yeah +3.5% toughness to all kills so you'll get 8.5% per melee kill

[untold niche]

i took long shot because sometime kant drop off is sad

i can't shoot snipers with it

very sad

[spice veldt]

that's true

shotgun moment

[untold niche]

arte you running shotgun as well?

[spice veldt]

i occasionally run with shotty

but i'm a revolver meta slave now

[untold niche]

i saw this and i thought just 5 seconds isn't really alot
esp for 10%
are you really breaking thresholds with this?

[spice veldt]

prob not

i picked it cuz why not

i consider the three talents in that row to be whatevs

i change my selection based on my mood and the time of day and the alignment of the stars

[elder glade]

None of them are that bad tbh, going with either is solid. I personally run keep their heads down for my day to day build

[untold niche]

yeah i saw that and i was so excitrred because that mean i prob can finally supress in one shot

[elder glade]

With a shotgun you sadly can't

Kind of sucks

[untold niche]

no nitro, no colour

[solid temple]

We shouldn't forget that that it's a teamwide bonus. Sure, +10% might not hit breakpoints in a vacuum, but appraising a team bonus purely based on whether it hits breakpoints seems a bit besides the point IMO. +10% damage for yourself isn't impressive, but +10% of all the damage 4 players will output in 5 seconds is a different matter.
In any case, if your team is stuck in the middle of a horde they really would rather not be in, it's a great little "GET 'EM DEAD! RIGHT HERE! RIGHT NOW!" bonus. If you need to pick up the CDR and keystone talents below it anyway, there are worse uses for a single talent point.

[wind spruce]

People are wayyyy too obsessed with strict breakpoints in this game

[untold niche]

i think thats only really relevant against bosses
even against crushers its debatable
because for most meta weapons most of the damage is over the threshold but not hitting the next one

So the crusher will die in the same number of hits (e.g. 2 from you, 1 from teammate etc) anyway
Granted there are cases that because of all of you getting that 10%, the crusher goes down faster, but it does seem pretty niche because your teammate's threshold would have to be same as yours both damage and time wise

i mean if you are the only one running a revolvo and the rest are running ciags, and somehow your build is not meta that you need an extra ~20% for one enemy type to die, then yeah i guess an extra 10% would mean that the teammate kills that enemy type faster since ciag is full auto

But we all know thats not common or practical/

even on the crusher example, it also depends on if the other guy's increased dps can out dps your last shot.

[radiant frigate]

are we still discussing vet builds

[untold niche]

arco was helping with mine is all

very cool and swag

what cool melee options do vets have? (pls no say psword)

[radiant frigate]

sword of power....

personally i run this

i cannot answer that question because i only ever run power sword on vet

but i am told other melee also exists

[untold niche]

disgustang

[radiant frigate]

why are you disgusted

[untold niche]

what gun do you run?

[radiant frigate]

it's the only (melee) weapon they have that is main weapon material

kantrael Ia

[untold niche]

one shots everything

[radiant frigate]

what else do you propose i run

[untold niche]

i am not judging you, i said that cheekily

personally i plan to run caxe

[radiant frigate]

devil's claw? and reconsider my life choices when i see armor?

(i have done this)

devil's claw is, for the record, fantastic against anything not-armored

[untold niche]

caxe can take down crushers at least

[radiant frigate]

or specifically not-carapace

i was also considering axes

but then i remembered, axes

[untold niche]

im asking in vet chat and someone is suggesting chain sword

[untold niche]

whats wrong? or you just don't like them due to low cleave

[radiant frigate]

pretty much yes

[untold niche]

its okay with brum imo

[radiant frigate]

i expect my melee to be able to deal with everything to some degree

[untold niche]

like, i can actually kill off the horde

im not just surviving against the horde

with brum caxe

[spice veldt]

brumo is 4 groaners/poxwalkers/bruisers per light swing which is pretty good

[radiant frigate]

and ever since i watched that one zealot running for their life from a horde with an axe i just don't think i will ever use them again

ws that zealot built different? perhaps

[untold niche]

thats because that zealot suk

[spice veldt]

shrimply a pub player moment

[untold niche]

or rather build sucked.

[radiant frigate]

either way that incident has left me scarred

[spice veldt]

vet should be able to reach the bruiser one-shot bp

without needing +unarmoured

[radiant frigate]

also, you might know this

[spice veldt]

i've seen a depressing amount of caxes in the wild without brumo

[radiant frigate]

does close quarters killzone only affect shooting

or also melee

[untold niche]

idk, i won't touch ciag, psword and pgun because they are too good imo
At that point might as well get a trainer and set your damage to 10000

[spice veldt]

also melee

and DoTs

scaling depending on the distance

[radiant frigate]

not a big fan of columnus on vet

prefer agri

[spice veldt]

close damage% mechanically works the same as zealot's anoint in blood

[radiant frigate]

but then again prefer kantrael over either

[untold niche]

i like the kant shotgun, like the normal one
Really good, 2 shots rager and shit and has an actual drawback of range, so can't snipe snipers and bad against cara

2 shot rager, can pierce bulwark

can't shoot crusher tho

~~so its like a shitter voidstrike ~~

@spice veldt just wanted to confirm, you corrected youself about psrint speed being based off walk speed and wepaon, but out of stamina you still run slower correct?

[spice veldt]

ye

so, your default walk speed is 4 m/s
By default, on psyker, your sprint bonus is +1 m/s, so you'll run at 5 m/s with stamina

and then weapons usually give some sprint speed, like say +0.45

so, let's say that you run at 4 + 1.45 = 5.45 m/s with stamina
Then, on psyker, you'll run at 4 + (1.45 * 0.5) = 4.725 m/s

not a particularly large difference

in addition, whenever you re-enter a sprint, you always start from your full sprint speed, even if you initiate the sprint at 0 stamina

and then your sprint speed slowly decays to the no-stamina reduced sprint speed

so if you constantly jump or slide, then you'll always be resetting back to your full sprint speed even at 0 stamina

[radiant frigate]

huh

[untold niche]

oh so thats another reason why you guys tell me to slide more right?
1 repeated question: sprint slide cooldown same as dodge cooldown? else how long is it. i never been able to get used to it

SOme new questions:
Generally gun or melee make you run faster
Gun or melee more stamina efficient
how to check sprint speed on weapons?

[spice veldt]

sprint sliding has no inherent cooldown or anything

besidees animation stuff like having to get up from the slide and then reentering the slide

[untold niche]

if you spam, doesn't the slide get less and less

[spice veldt]

nah

if you spam it quickly, the distance is less because you're not letting your character sprint to full speed first before sliding

your sliding speed is affected by the speed in which you enter the slide from (e.g., the speed of your sprint or dodge)

[radiant frigate]

mobility stat generally has it on inspect

and generally i think guns make you take more stamina to run

[untold niche]

i thought mobility is only dodge

it show sprint speed too?

[spice veldt]

there should be a screen to the right that says the sprint bonus that a weapon gives

[untold niche]

oh

[untold niche]

w0w

[spice veldt]

e.g., on psyker, you'll run at 4 + 1 + 0.88 = 5.88 m/s per second

and sprinting costs 0.5 bars per second

[untold niche]

i never figured out if my illisi or my voidstrike staff has better sprint speed so i just hold out my staff all the time
Actually being lazy

[spice veldt]

should be your melee

[untold niche]

consistent for all classes?

[spice veldt]

staffs give -0.2 sprint speed last time i checked

[untold niche]

but i have more bars on staff, unless that doesn't matter.

[spice veldt]

you can run for longer, but keep in mind that you can reset back to your full sprint speed by jumping a lot or sliding

[radiant frigate]

this sounds incredibly silly

[untold niche]

so just run with staff and keep siding?

[spice veldt]

they should just all have the same sprint cost multiplier, and then the only thing affecting sprint cost is talents/perks and weapons
but i don't really know about this

[untold niche]

which is what i already do

[spice veldt]

nah, run with melee and slide

[rigid sky]

Don't run with knives, it's dangerous

[untold niche]

:(
Don't you say the minus speed only takes into effect after some time?
So why can't run with staff

or minus speed is only for out of stamina

[radiant frigate]

what about running with swords

[spice veldt]

cuz staffs give -0.2 sprint speed

negative 0.2 sprint speed

[radiant frigate]

staff reduces your max speed

as i understand you start sprinting at your max speed

[rigid sky]

A sword is just a knife for a very large person

[untold niche]

so all this while i could have been like half a meter faster

[radiant frigate]

Yes

[spice veldt]

smh

[untold niche]

losing out that 2 second time saved on elevator runs

am such a scrub

[spice veldt]

pathetic

[untold niche]

🐭

arco you and josho should compile these kinda info into some guide

like how only zealot has that 50% dr (to gunners? or all, can't recall) on sprint or something

[spice veldt]

am lazy and i figure no one really cares about it anyways

[untold niche]

how does no one care

such valuable knowledge

[radiant frigate]

i do not have such weaknesses, melee is my default state of being

[spice veldt]

the elevator running meta

[untold niche]

this was quite mind blowing ngl :v

[spice veldt]

i don't know if zealot has that anymore

[untold niche]

i think most mind blowing is the melee through wall

[spice veldt]

cuz the toughness DR depending on your movement state stuff changed some time ago

[untold niche]

ah, so sad.

[radiant frigate]

fatshark try to make an easily understandable game that isn't needlessly complex challenge (impossible)

[untold niche]

its not complex imo they just hide weird mechanics from people

[radiant frigate]

that is what i am saying yes

[untold niche]

like i feel if you have a 50% dr on run its a "OMG HERES WHY YOU SHOULD PLAY THIS CLASS" sort of thing, or jsut don't include it

[spice veldt]

zealot doesn't seem to have 50% toughness dr on sprint now

[untold niche]

i say weird, i don't mean its complex

[untold niche]

[spice veldt]

the complexity is nice but damn does it need a glossary

[untold niche]

before p13?

[spice veldt]

prolly

[untold niche]

pre p13 is a mystery
mystery anyone played the game

one node every five levels

[spice veldt]

90% of weapons being poopoo

[untold niche]

arco why did you even play this game pre p13

big warhammer fan?

[spice veldt]

nah

just like my horde shooters

i came from l4d2

and i liked the melee

although i was an illisi main

[untold niche]

[spice veldt]

so zero brain for special-heavying

[untold niche]

have you ever tried kf2? o.o

[spice veldt]

ye

i should have ~200 hours in it

but i got tired of it in time

[untold niche]

yuh same
ijust wished there was more stuff

very fun game

also hated the addition of the robots

[spice veldt]

the combat is nice but at the same there's something missing in kf2's formula for me

the robots were pretty whatevs to me but boy can they be annoying

[untold niche]

some randomness/variety in each run?
and prob better build variety

You could only really use like 30% of the weapons

unless you ok with off meta

[blazing drift]

i rolled a really nice rending shockwave trauma staff, but it just doesnt feel that great. anyone else using the trauma staff with a non-soul blaze setup?

[untold niche]

deleted cause i did not answer your qn

[blazing drift]

soullll blazzeee i read it hahaa

it just doesnt feel anywhere near as good as burning everything

[untold niche]

yeah its supposed to be a "support" build

[blazing drift]

okay will try again with that mindset

[untold niche]

@spice veldt imagine new support class where you increase damage of allies in coher each time you dodge succesffuly and heal when you go down
Each time you dodge you increase your own attack speed, each time you land an attack you buff yourself

[untold niche]

if it sucks to pla yjust don't play it
forcing something does not bring happiness.

wise wurds

[spice veldt]

inexorable judgement 😔

[untold niche]

downside is that your weapon suck so you have to build it up

[spice veldt]

i do wish that zealot's momentum keystone was a bit more interesting than just "run around or dodge" for stacks

zealot's keystones could really use some flavor to make them more interactive

[untold niche]

judgement doesn't buff your ally tho

[rigid sky]

It's designed for stealth imo

[spice veldt]

yeah that's true

[rigid sky]

You're meant to take breaks in combat to stack it up

But it's not as healthy a playstyle and it's good enough to just use passively

[radiant frigate]

it is certainly designed

[spice veldt]

yeah but then there's the "get 3 stacks when making a successful dodge" which just gives you stacks all the time in combat

and being just for stealth is sort of restrictive

[rigid sky]

Compensatory imo

[spice veldt]

and although it's on the stealthy side of things, it sure could be more interesting

[radiant frigate]

kind of required so it doesn't suck

[rigid sky]

Not "just", but it's its primary intended design I think

[spice veldt]

there's an opportunity to make it a more interesting keystone and i want them to take it

[untold niche]

i dun get this, so you build it up while stealthed?

[rigid sky]

Fatshark clearly think of left side, middle, right side being distinct subclasses

[untold niche]

then like arco said what the stacks on dodge for given that playstyle

[rigid sky]

And then we figure out "actually this combo's a lot better"

[lapis violet]

darktide has a weird way of classifying witches. what names are the parts of the trees called?

middle one is storm witch, right one is scrier witch

[spice veldt]

distinct subclasses but i really do not want them to adhere to theme when balancing

[rigid sky]

Classic, support, gundalf

[lapis violet]

what's left one?

[spice veldt]

fatshark adhering to themes is why we have kinetic deflection and true aim on the bottom-right branch

[rigid sky]

It was a start point but they should iterate from here

I do agree with you fwiw

[lapis violet]

is left pain witch?

[spice veldt]

yeah though stealth is too specific of a playstyle to really make anything of it

ultimately, if they won't want to make it boring, they will have to bring non-stealthy elements into the keystone

[untold niche]

qwait why does gumker need kd

[spice veldt]

cuz it's a non-staff option that generates peril

basically the idea of your weapons don't generate peril, but other atypical parts of your kits now do generate peril

e.g., blocking

[lapis violet]

or scrier's gaze

still have no clue how to get it to work

pain witch, storm witch, scrier witch?

[untold niche]

other than ogreyn can any class really just go down thye line

[rigid sky]

Left-sided Ogryn can

[paper lily]

vet left side

[untold niche]

yuh dat whjy i said other than ogryn

[rigid sky]

Right-side almost can if BLO wasn't shit

[lapis violet]

zealot can i think

left side

[rigid sky]

Ooh, I inverted what you meant

My bad

[untold niche]

but you have to take top right no?

[paper lily]

psyker can full left too but u do have bb then

[lapis violet]

have to?

[untold niche]

shout spam

crit \

melee

proc the

bleed

bleed proc more crit\

[lapis violet]

oh, cowards

[paper lily]

u don't 'have' to have everything

it's still viable to go full left

[lapis violet]

yeah if you're a coward you go top right with zealot

[untold niche]

ok thsat makes sense

but but

top left zealot, bleed for emphra

it doesn't even make sense

[ionic needle]

The names of the trees are obviously:
Wonderboy, Slow and annoying, Gundalf

[untold niche]

with piety

[paper lily]

crit is just crit

just cuz it has better synergy elsewhere doesn't devalue the talent

zealot has the best standalone talents in the game

[untold niche]

seems more of awounds thing

[lapis violet]

mine

is garbo but works well

and basically full left

except for martyrdom cuz i'm an addict

[paper lily]

im pretty much full right on zealot

no can'

no can't die talent either

[lapis violet]

i can't deal with knife, zealot invis and momentum

[ionic needle]

TWBS is a trap talent, just slide and you won't get hit by ranged

[paper lily]

i think i only have 1 pt in piety

[onyx sentinel]

didn't know the game's out for nintendo switch

[lapis violet]

unreliable on my end for some reason

[spice veldt]

switch? that's the ps vita

[lapis violet]

it's also the stun immunity i like it for

[ionic needle]

Also Martyrdom is pretty much objectively the worst keystone

[spice veldt]

not really a trap because it means that you can hittrade with zero penalty

and martyrdom is not at all the worst keystone by any measure

[lapis violet]

don't care. didn't ask. heavy eviscerator go vroom

[paper lily]

there is no worst keystone really

maybe 3 pts piety

[spice veldt]

zealot is the class specifically with the ability to safely stay at low hp

[paper lily]

the tdr under martyrdom is additive as well which is really strong

[rigid sky]

Piety is nuts lmao

[lapis violet]

if my teammates aren't fools stealing all my safety nets even if they don't need them, i live on like 1.5 wounds for full damnation missions

[paper lily]

1 pt for 15 crit is great, 2 pts for another 10 is kinda meh

[rigid sky]

Because of crit CDR

[spice veldt]

TBWS also means that i won't get staggered if i'm right about to push a burster

or that i won't get memed into an overhead because i was staggered and couldn't dodge

[paper lily]

ur cleaving like 500 guys per swing anyway, you really don't need the extra 10 that bad

[spice veldt]

it provides this guarantee that you are always actionable, barring being knocked into the air or dying

[paper lily]

zealot has too many good talents for me to pay 2 points for 10 crit

[rigid sky]

Interesting perspective, I may try it, but I like having Fury of the Faithful constantly ready

[paper lily]

trust me u will barely notice a difference

[lapis violet]

i'm taking all tips btw. i asked for a build in #zealot-class but i've gotten nothing so far

[paper lily]

i'll show u my build but i guarantee i'll get flamed for it

[ionic needle]

The two points also give you pretty much constant uptime on piety as well though, so it's not really only 10% crit for two points

[rigid sky]

Seems heretical but may try it

[clear bridge]

Psykers! I need your aid!

Calling all psykers

Calling all psykers

[spice veldt]

you're not getting my credit card number

[paper lily]

https://i.imgur.com/grcbNIk.png

[onyx sentinel]

zealot channel's weird, I get better advice about zealot weapons and keystones in the vet channel lmao

[paper lily]

here's an offmeta build that rewards skill

[clear bridge]

...Okay on to my SECOND question

[lapis violet]

i started asking gun questions in vet channel and ended up with a god-tier veteran build lol

[paper lily]

i'd agree if ally kills didn't also just keep piety up 24/7

[ionic needle]

What weapon are you running on that? Eviscerator?

[paper lily]

ye new evis

[lapis violet]

new evis gucci

[paper lily]

https://i.imgur.com/Y9PX266.png

[lapis violet]

no way you have a 380

[paper lily]

i ahve a few 380 evis's

[lapis violet]

dude that's such a crazy weapon

like, what

here's mine

[clear bridge]

I am babbo psyker, fresh to the grind. How would you suggest I build a basic, functional psyker build to succeed with?

[lapis violet]

surge, smite, illisi sword

[paper lily]

it's not that bad

if u want ezmode psyker just run purg and lmb through maps

bonus points for taking dome shield and never using it

[ionic needle]

I'm pretty sure that's not enough to keep it up constantly, especially during bosses or modifiers with less but tougher enemies

[paper lily]

ur not wrong about bosses, but evis doesn't need the crit against them,

just use special and sword their face

[lapis violet]

my favorite psyker build is purgation and all fire related perks, bb with all its respective perks, venting shriek with flame perk and empowered psionics

[paper lily]

have most of the relatively skilled players just moved away from dt btw

or is auric just harder for no reason

[ionic needle]

I think the easiest psyker build is either blaze trauma or surge with creeping flames

[paper lily]

surge with creeping flames is ez mode, take ep and just melt everythjing

0 skill build that's way too effective

[ionic needle]

I'm talking about the staff, not smite

I'd never run a pure smite build, disgusting

[paper lily]

oh my bad

[lapis violet]

@clear bridge

[paper lily]

i did it on purpose

[ionic needle]

So boring

[paper lily]

i ran pure bb and pure smite to see if i could topdmg still

[lapis violet]

bb is so bad without using your ult or empowered psionics

[paper lily]

yeah u run double shield wall and ep

[ionic needle]

I actually tried smite creeping flames EP during a scab only melee maelstrom and topped damage pretty easily, but god damn is it boring to play that way

[lapis violet]

i just avoid using it on builds where i can't spam ult

[paper lily]

put both the walls down which gives u 2 stacking buffs for cast speed

actually lets you use it as an ability

[ionic needle]

The most fun psyker build is still gunker though

[lapis violet]

@clear bridge

[paper lily]

never played it, defeats purpose of psyker to me