#psyker-class

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lyric burrow
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uncanny is 100% bis

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after that precog is very good, but shred/rampage/riposte are usable

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duelling sword 4 is best but the other 2 are still good

potent echo
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Maybe half as good but yea

lyric burrow
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yeah 4 is kinda dumb

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i like the 5 for the funny mobility

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but 4s damage is a good bit better

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40% more damage on heavies while also chaining easily

untold niche
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i was going to say how come all your psyker weapons look like ogryn weaponms then i saw your name

hollow current
cosmic sigil
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i must stay, i do not use staff usually but i kinda like the blaze trauma vibe

mighty fractal
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or did we both just have traumatic Dreyko experiences with Xbox players

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Zealot is on 2 wounds
"Heals here"
Zealot ignores medstation
HELP PILGRIMS

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wasn't able to capture the giant rager wave that immediately dropped on her

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needless to say, the psyker and i were working our hardest to get out of the revive corner the entire time

hollow current
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My game went well/smooth until the end event. It was just non stop specials and elites.

mighty fractal
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Oh

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our game was not smooth until the end

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lol

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This was a rare case of players actually being dead more than alive the entire mission

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it finally ended when I got netted by a silent trapper

hollow current
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I had some major bullshit at the bridge. four maulers came and vet and I killed them. Then four more spawn out the nearby door and body block us so I had to zip zoop around and just kite for a second before bolting for the valk.

mighty fractal
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At least you made it out phew

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the zealot inmy game intentionally aggro'd two hosts

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(and died first both times)

idle plover
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Investigation is really nasty mission

mighty fractal
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It's all cramped spaces and tight hallways

hollow current
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Oh early on I aggro'd the host at the drop. KEKW_ogryn

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But I just jumped on something and blocked for two minutes.

mighty fractal
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it's probably my least-favorite mission until the finale

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the finale is very fun to clutch

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but some teams are just unclutchable

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this was one of them

idle plover
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I hate the last scanning area as the scan targets are really spread about and hordes come from all directions

mighty fractal
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Sometimes the finale gives you the tiny little tumors that don't even look like objectives

idle plover
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Then there is always bombers and gunners camping on ledge you came from

mighty fractal
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or it makes you scan a briefcase on a crate

hollow current
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It took us 7 minutes to get past the event.

mighty fractal
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That's why it's the best event for Warp Battery πŸ™‚

idle plover
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Also ive found people really like to spread out during that mission

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Which makes it all the worse

mighty fractal
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That particular run was really stingy on meds, too

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only one at every station, and only one medkit

idle plover
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Its always tedious with one guy breaking off trying to scan distant obj and gets pounced by dog

mighty fractal
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Not that it would have helped much at the end, but I maybe could have made riskier plays as og

hollow current
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im gonna clip my great escape.

idle plover
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You must title it that

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The great escape

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Featuring chuck norris

mighty fractal
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I think this game was the closest I've come to typing "Why are you in mael" in chat

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I normally don't get that urge

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but I sincerely thought about it this time

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since it was just me and the psyker duoing for most of the mission

idle plover
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I really question some peoples builds

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Like one zealot that had like 8 wounds so ita martyrdom zealot i figured

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Spent over half the mission downed or dead

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Dude probably had like no toughness whatsoever

hollow current
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It's really weird.

idle plover
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And kept catching gunner volleys

mighty fractal
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Some people just don't have the game knowledge

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or gamesense

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that's just how it is

hollow current
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It feels like a 50/50 on whether level 40-60 players are clearly noobs or good players on their alt chars.

idle plover
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I definately am shitty on ogryn but i do well on vet and psyker

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I have no clue how to build ogryn

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I just stick to single tree

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Full bonebreaker has been fine

mighty fractal
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Full left side with FnP is pretty standard and works fine

hollow current
potent echo
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Full left side and a kickback and you eating good

untold niche
hollow current
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I was traumatized after the event and wanted to leave so badly. Sitgryn

flint aspen
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scrier's gaze also works on melee?

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I thought its only for gun

hollow current
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I think it works for everything except brain burst probably.

spring frost
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Anyone have a good psyker leveling build to share?

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And what should i be aiming for when i reach level 30?

elder glade
# spring frost Anyone have a good psyker leveling build to share?

That really depends on the build you are going for. An easy set up for psyker early on does involve grabbing Assail though and, for a lack of better words, spam it. It's good at long and close range and can compensate for not having the best of rolls or the talents you want/need. This is a setup you can do early on, not necessary by any means.

spring frost
flint aspen
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is there any reason for a psyker to take the dual front shield over to the 360 bubble shield

plucky flax
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It stops specials better.

glacial nest
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It makes you feel like Baptiste from Overwatch

stray bloom
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bruh what are the fuckin ice crystals i keep seeing psykers use

quartz barn
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Wall shield is pretty solid if youre not that good at dealing with specials/elites

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Or on higher diffs when facing mutant waves etc

stray bloom
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that bounce and shit

quartz barn
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Aside from that bubble is just better for general use

stray bloom
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uh huh

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good?

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i have know idea how to build psyker

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clueless

radiant frigate
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male savant scrier's lines are great

hollow current
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I've heard people talk about that. New voicelines would be great but tbh I don't notice most the time.

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"Initiating crowd control" wasn't the worst line to hear considering she took out those maulers while juiced with 5 buffs.

cosmic sigil
paper loom
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this looks like it has potential, what perks blessing work with axes?

potent echo
austere crest
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Day 342, they still think I'm an ogryn.

paper loom
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what enemies are infested?

potent echo
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Poxwalker, hounds, poxbursters

paper loom
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ah lame so infested is pox bursters lol

austere crest
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yeah

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ideally unyielding or flak are king of the pack, as well as maniac and carapace being great choices

upper sun
rigid sky
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Unarmoured affects a lot of stuff too

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But not so useful on a caxe I think?

stuck sinew
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Isn't caxe like the one weapon people like it on? Something something bruiser one shot or something

rigid sky
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Not the only one I think

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Slab shield too

radiant frigate
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ogryn weapons πŸ’€

upper sun
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ye shield knocks everything down but clear is a bit rough

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flak unarmored would be nice on it

mighty fractal
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Shield clear is good, but you need the bleed talent

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Since its main niches are

  1. Staggering literally everything that isn't a boss
  2. Applying heavy bleed to lots of chaff enemies at once
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It can keep armored elites locked down for basically as long as you're able to keep chaining Heavy 1, but it won't kill them quickly unless you have Dominate active

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Ogryn's great tragedy is that he really only has five melee weapons

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and half of them are literal hunks of junk

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He doesn't have a whole lot that plays into his fantasy of big bruiser man on the melee front

rigid sky
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Most ogryn weapons are good performers at least

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But they do look like shit lol

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The clobbs are very Ogryn

grizzled bronze
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in the steam guide for psykers that is pinned here, it says that you can go over 100% on perilous and depending on the source of the overage, you can quell down before exploding. I feel like either I missed the part where it defined which sources can go over 100% and be quelled, and which cannot. Any advice there?

spice veldt
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if you're just holding the channeling on your staff/brainburst/smite/etc. at 100% peril, then you won't explode
but if you finish the cast or activate your force sword, then that'll make you explode

grizzled bronze
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thank you

icy harbor
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is there a useful build for a melee psyker build around the blazing spirit perk?

rigid sky
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Blazing spirit isn't very good on melee

icy harbor
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I wish, love that perk

rigid sky
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It is mostly a Trauma staff thing

icy harbor
rigid sky
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You can do some meme stuff with it on an Illisi with Bloodthirsty and Wildfire I guess

icy harbor
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wildfire?

rigid sky
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Psyker talent, not very good usually

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Trouble is if you crit with a force sword the target is probably dead

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But wildfire might mean it propagates out from them?

icy harbor
rigid sky
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If you like fire, make a blazing spirit / warp nexus trauma staff

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that is strong as fuck

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But if you want the memes stuff, probably take the Illisi for it and take Wildfire, but then build the rest of your stuff around whatever ranged weapon you take

icy harbor
rigid sky
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Psyker builds are all 100% dependent on your ranged

rigid sky
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The trauma staff version of it is arguably one of the strongest Psyker builds

icy harbor
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interesting

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any build recommended around that?

rigid sky
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Only exists as a rank 3 (for 3 stacks of Soulblaze, capping at 6) but it applies to everything that even gets tickled by it

rigid sky
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I can't log on for a week to show you my build sadly

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But I'm sure one of the incomparable minds in this server can show you theirs

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Mine is brain rupture, crit aura, bubble shield and enhanced psykinetics, with a Deflector/Uncanny force sword personally

icy harbor
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ok

rigid sky
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I think the Venting Shriek with Creeping Flames variant is more popular

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You can do any of the blitzes with it really, and you can go warp charges too

icy harbor
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ok

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I'll check it out

rigid sky
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Enjoy:) bit of a high skill floor to it and the staff is hard to build but once you have it it's addictive

minor pelican
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As i am the dum Dum gimme gum gum. Warp rider is an increase of 20% percent applied to you or appied to everything you hit

vestal fulcrum
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A thing to keep in mind: no skill ever debuffs the player directly

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So the answer is: the latter, it buffs your damage output

dim parrot
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goated movie

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strong poke, but illisi is more fun imo

rigid sky
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Illisi is a horde killer that pairs with stuff like guns, Surge and Voidstrike

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Duelling Sword really competes more with Deimos

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Duelling Sword IV is the good one

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Controversial opinion alert, the Deimos kinda doesn't have a point compared with the DS4 unless you take Deflector on it, I feel like the DS4 just does all the same things but faster

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But that said I fucking love a deflector Deimos

quartz barn
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ds i fun because speed

icy harbor
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can you make this sword into a useful one?

quartz barn
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also ngl once you know how to dodge properly you just wont need deflector

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crutch perk tbh

near drift
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Yeah but then I can't just walk menacingly at a gunner while it's shooting to no effect from across a big space

robust badger
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Supreme crusher/mauler killer

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Also good at picking apart rager crowds and getting midair dog kills

ionic needle
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You're going melee into rager crowds? Brave.

near drift
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Dueling sword poke has the range and movement where you can pretty confidently poke em to death between their swings and get out of range, it's very nice

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Doing it while there's like 5+ on you is another thing but I'd say 2 to 3 aggro'd on you is manageable

rigid sky
radiant frigate
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swap the rest to preference and you're golden

rigid sky
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Imo a big part of the challenge is in managing your mental load

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Block is the smallest braintime defensive move

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Lets you put attention into other areas

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You have to work with the INCOMPARABLE MIND that you have

spice veldt
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quickplay has put me into 4 different hunting ground missions in a row

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god damnit

sinful tusk
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Dont you love dogs?

rigid sky
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Assail says lol, lmao even

robust badger
rigid sky
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Smite would also like to agree, especially with the lmao part.

radiant frigate
robust badger
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Hold down right click, start dodge dancing away & shove if something gets in your way

rigid sky
radiant frigate
rigid sky
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You can't dodge everything if you're under too much pressure

robust badger
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I see too many going down just because they try DPS their way out and then end up getting poked to death by the moshpit

rigid sky
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Psyker cannot afford to take a melee hit at less than full toughness

robust badger
rigid sky
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And a lot of Psyker weapons are close/mid range

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So it's easy to fuck up and get surrounded

robust badger
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When it comes to crowds though, I've defaulted to the purgatus staff with a crit build. I genuinely don't think there's a faster lawnmower in the game

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Except for the ogryn bomb

radiant frigate
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flaming shriek

radiant frigate
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Real

rigid sky
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All the joy of a Purgatus

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But you can take another ranged with it

radiant frigate
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does purgatus have joy

robust badger
rigid sky
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Illisi/voidstrike/assail/shriek/DD is awesome

rigid sky
radiant frigate
robust badger
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And feel the neurons fire in your brain

upper sun
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that shit is beyound painful to use

radiant frigate
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unfortunately purgatus is too creeping for me to enjoy, plus it operates squarely within illisi range

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so i just prefer to generously apply sword

robust badger
upper sun
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nah it does have "ok range"

radiant frigate
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Perhaps

upper sun
radiant frigate
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either way, legs

upper sun
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cant even get blue light glasses because i already wear glasses 😭

robust badger
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When I get sick of using it, that is

rigid sky
radiant frigate
radiant frigate
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(with slaughterer)

robust badger
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News to me

radiant frigate
robust badger
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Classic

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I'm fairly sure 60% of the talent tree doesn't work the way people would think. A product of Fatshark's wonderfully ambiguous wording

upper sun
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I have an illisi with blazing spirit and shred and tbh its not that good

eager mantle
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Wildfire adds a 4 soulblaze debuff and ONLY a 4 soulblaze debuff. If an enemy in the aoe have 4 or more soulblaze already, it does nothing

upper sun
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id much rather use slaughter+uncanny/deflector

radiant frigate
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how it looks: "spreads up to 4 stacks of soulblaze if something dies with soulblaze"
how i interpreted this: "perilous combustion but checks for stack amount on dying enemy rather than elite/special status"
how it works: spreads the stacks the dying enemy had to others around, up to a maximum of 4, and never stacks it beyond 4

robust badger
dim parrot
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slaughterer/uncanny illisi my beloved

radiant frigate
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and 4 stacks of soulblaze is tickle territory

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slaughterer/uncanny illisi my beloved

upper sun
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tfw bricked a total of 20 force swords but still no slaughterer 4 or deflector 4

robust badger
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Maybe I'll swap out wildfire for something else then. I've pretty much entirely ignored keystones because of the way I play, so I could put it into a survivability talent

rigid sky
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It is literally only for Blaze Trauma imo

upper sun
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I have one with uncanny t4 thats just BEGGING to get slaughterer

dim parrot
radiant frigate
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i still do not have uncanny 4

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fortunately uncanny 3 does just fine

upper sun
radiant frigate
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also don't have bloodthirsty

robust badger
rigid sky
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EP is cheap enough

dim parrot
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dont do it

rigid sky
robust badger
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(mainly because people spend 50% of a mission getting chewed to pieces by gunners)

dim parrot
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only gamble with melks shop

rigid sky
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I like the other two more but DD needs a particular build

radiant frigate
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getting warp charges would require me to free up like 10 talent points

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(lmao)

upper sun
robust badger
rigid sky
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If I run bubble I tend to go EP with Brain Rupture

robust badger
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Making the full benefit from them would require NOT using shield

radiant frigate
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i have completely stopped running bubble

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after the flamer adjustment

robust badger
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Try running the 2x directional with the bounce specials talent

rigid sky
upper sun
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i remember the horrors of prefix flamer

rigid sky
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Like 4.5s

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Bubble is 6s

upper sun
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one flamer could wipe out an entire team in 2 seconds

robust badger
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It's insanely good in maelstroms. Put 2x down in a doorway and sit back with popcorn as your team mows down the wave of mutants you just dropped the portcullis on

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Dogs seem to be able to run through them sometimes, though. Why? Who knows

radiant frigate
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speaking of

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siblings who don't build for toughness, why, and how?

robust badger
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I went max health instead

upper sun
robust badger
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Say goodbye to 40HP too, if you took a mob hit in anything under max toughness

dim parrot
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ah yes the 2 basic mobs, my arch nemesis

robust badger
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So I found it better to just build for HP. I play Psyker a little like shield gating from Payday 2

radiant frigate
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not too fond of Random Prick With Autogun

robust badger
dim parrot
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definitely, they combined with poxburster are dangerous

robust badger
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I've walked into a room into an instant down at one point, because 30 scab shooters all volley fired me at the same time

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No damage resist to them πŸ’’

supple sedge
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Why psyker always near Ulgo? Is it because they want Ulgo to protec them?

sullen sphinx
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Big muscles of Ulgo protects psyker while big mind of psyker blasts heretics away, perfect harmony

agile geode
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Was wondering, for the private game penance, to deal 90% damage to a monstrosity using brain burst.
Is it only the big ones, or does the "weakened" versions count for this penance?

lyric burrow
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@spice veldt i have finally made an obscurus

lyric burrow
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it is time for the return of patch uh

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pre illisi psyker

spice veldt
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time to go obscurus all over the enemies

lyric burrow
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Yes

upper sun
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fine by me I have 2 at 380 that i never rolled after seeing the animations

hollow current
upper sun
feral verge
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@spice veldt

rigid sky
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Like what is Obscurus even supposed to be now

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It's marketed as the hybrid between Deimos and Illisi but it's not

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It's a shit Deimos

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That's all

upper sun
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i love melee weapons with a low damage single target attack must have in every build

spice veldt
rigid sky
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I used to use it just to charge it up and then stick it up a mutant's nose

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Deimos is so much better for that (doesn't even need to be charged up in like 95% of matches)

hollow current
upper sun
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woah i totally did not download your clips to search up the songs later that would be weird

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one is "METRIC - Lost Kitten" btw

upper sun
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it was also in hot drop nice song

hollow current
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the second half

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This is from the same mission. The clip start and stop exactly from one another.

silent coral
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How impactful is one with the warp? im using surge staff and i cant decide if i should go for 5% crit aura or 10% CD aura just so that i can get one with the warp

upper sun
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saved my ass from a couple of busters if you're a master peril edger id say its very good

nimble burrow
robust badger
hollow current
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oh shit, nice find.

robust badger
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Ah I only recognised the song, didn't have to go digging for it or anything

upper sun
rotund fable
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This is less of a Void-strike and more of a Void-poke staff...

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mission rewards are kinda dissapointing sometimes

hollow current
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sometimes?

robust badger
rotund fable
radiant frigate
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voidslap

halcyon gust
# hollow current sometimes?

98% of the time it's free money. 1% it is something actually usable and the other 1% of time has that 1 blessing you been trying to get from Hadron and Melk

rigid sky
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You gotta run higher difficulty, get some purps and oranges

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Get some actual blessings to rip

idle marten
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salvageable?

upper sun
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nope

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you want damage then first target then everything else

radiant frigate
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as the italians say

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garbaggio 🀌🏻

upper sun
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you want something like this uncanny slaughterer is great

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i wanna get slaughterer deflector tho

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executioner is like uncanny's little stupid cousin

lyric burrow
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yeah id vouch for uncanny slaught

upper sun
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illisis are really easy to roll imo tho

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like getting executioner and being locked to it inst as bad as with staves when you crap like barrage or uhhh the 4th and 5th rapid fire thing

lyric burrow
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mine was a pain to make back when you wanted unstable + slaught

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took me over a million dockets and like 12k plasteel

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which isnt the worst

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but it was the first thing i tried for perfect on

upper sun
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for some fucking reason every single illisi i rolled was good-great and every deimos was trash

lyric burrow
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deimos was the same as rolling illisi for me lol

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both were a pain

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duelling sword as easy enough

upper sun
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I only tried 3

radiant frigate
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i have a really defensive deimos

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1.5 stam 15% block efficiency

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uncanny slaughterer

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rarely sees the light of day

rigid sky
radiant frigate
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but i could put deflector on it

idle marten
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had a feeling it was trash

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oooof

radiant frigate
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unfortunately yes

upper sun
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deflector is great as long as you remember to use it

untold niche
upper sun
lyric burrow
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i didnt even get a god roll really

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was close though

untold niche
upper sun
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same

untold niche
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usually i let them break toughness and then the RNG bless me that the random shot somehow still hits them

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i am very blessed by Beloved

upper sun
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melk should sell 380 rating blanks instead of garbage with random blessings

untold niche
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^

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i was thinking they should let you use plasteel to wipe an item clean of blessings to reset

upper sun
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they should just scrap the mod locks

untold niche
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At least for curio

lyric burrow
untold niche
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There's a point for it like I'm sure you know.

A quater of my playtime was grind with no fun

upper sun
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i wasted about 600k-700k on rolling stuff and i got like 2 usable things imo camping the store is better unless you wanna spend 1+mil

lyric burrow
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i do have 4 mi rn

radiant frigate
lyric burrow
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so i can buy a weapon every once in a while

untold niche
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The "balanced timr" was when I was using something that isn't very build dependent (e.g. some of the melees) and on my way to grind for a better one

upper sun
untold niche
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But after my first char I only use a weapon if I have a good roll

lyric burrow
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although i think i have a good roll of literally every weapon available to psyker at this point (barring very similar mks like taxe 7)

untold niche
lyric burrow
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yeah the gameplay is just like unmatched for me

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so i dont mind as much

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but its still p ass

untold niche
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Psyker wise I watch other people's gameplay and I'm like yeah there is a clear like 10% of difference but that comes downt to playing more rather than achievable through deliberate practice.
So I felt I was good enough, and couldn't get remarkably better at least on psyker

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Then got bored xD

lyric burrow
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i can probably get better

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like im consistently clearing HISTG esp with a premade

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but i think there is still some stuff i could get better at

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even 1100 hours in

untold niche
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I'm trash on zealot though. I realised its because I don't like shooting stuff that much on zealot which is required if there is a special or elite horde. Can't just literally melee everything.

lyric burrow
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yeah

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i dont play anything else lol

untold niche
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You should be able to do it pubs too

lyric burrow
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oh i can do it in pubs

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like 800ish of my hours are prob pubs

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ive only played in full premades very recently

untold niche
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For context I stopped playing like at 220 hours

lyric burrow
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i think my positioning/decision making under a ton of pressure could get better

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like its not

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its not a huge improvement

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im not making anything game changing at this point

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just small stuff

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even advancing on gunners i could get a little better at

untold niche
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Won't comment about decision making since its quite broad but I know for sure positioning is something like I mentioned, comes with time instead of deliberate practice

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At keast time matters more

lyric burrow
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yeah i dont get put in situations bad enough for it to happen much sadly

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comes up rarely

untold niche
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If you play pubs it should happen no
Or you mean clutch situations?

lyric burrow
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its not super common in pubs

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i kinda know how to avoid said situation

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at this point

plucky flax
lyric burrow
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but yeah itll come up solo more

plucky flax
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Teach me sensei.

untold niche
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You play solo?

lyric burrow
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you are probably better than me at this point

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selfish

untold niche
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Damn I never bothered to try because it's like a different game

lyric burrow
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oh i meant like solo clutch

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full solo is not very fun

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you just kite

plucky flax
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No I am still in sedition.

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Top 1% bad.

untold niche
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I know it's hypocritical bit I never gave much effort into clutching because I'm lazy :p why left click furiously when I can just die and request

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Requeue

lyric burrow
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getting an absurd solo clutch is quite satisfying

untold niche
#

Half joke. I know it takes skill

lunar hollow
#

you have to put yourself in progressively worse consistent situations to improve

untold niche
#

It's just like you said quite rare. And you shouldn't even be in that situation

lunar hollow
#

at some point you run out of new challenging content because they don't add more difficulties or modifiers that often

lyric burrow
#

yeah

supple sedge
lunar hollow
#

so at that point u have to do low playercount challenge stuff like duos

lyric burrow
#

HISTG isnt really a challenge until shit really goes down

#

anymore

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its still fun

#

because the game is fun

lunar hollow
#

you have to have exceptionally bad players

lyric burrow
#

or you get memed

lunar hollow
#

i mean thats not difficulty thats just having the mission auto-fail

lyric burrow
#

yeah

lunar hollow
#

most of my runs ending are because the game decides i no longer get the plasteel rather than players making bad choices

untold niche
#

There is different kind of consequence of bad players
One is the whole game you will win but its a slog.
The other is like you guys say shit will hit the fan and then you lose

lyric burrow
#

i will say playing with you and arco etc did show me there is stuff i could get better at

#

or stuff im like

supple sedge
#

Ulgo think that he should be better at this killing heretic thing... Ulgo not good enought to be true good Ogryn

lyric burrow
#

not as good at

untold niche
lyric burrow
#

comparatively

upper sun
lyric burrow
#

if you get one competent teammate your fine

untold niche
#

No*

#

Then you are mentally drained

#

One time I just quit

lunar hollow
#

i tried doing a couple duos for a crusher showcase and they all ended to the dumbest shit imaginable like chastising off a cliff and mankar getting sniper kicked off it

untold niche
#

Sniper kicked

lyric burrow
#

yeah that is the issue with challenge stuff

untold niche
#

Damn.

lyric burrow
#

its harder but also like

#

you are more likely to get memed

#

and memes just kill you

lunar hollow
#

the moment a stupid meme happens to 2 ppl the game is just over and that is super frustrating

untold niche
#

It also doesn't make sense I think.
Game is designed around 4 players.

upper sun
lyric burrow
#

yeah its just for more challenge

#

it does fall apart solo imo

#

but duo is more tolerable

#

solo is just kiting

#

not that engaging

lunar hollow
#

the problem with solo is that you have to selfhost a modded lobby so the stuff you're used to dealing with on latency is now at 0 ping

#

snipers break at 0 ping for instance

#

much more forgiving in games on official servers

untold niche
#

Pretty subjective:
But the game doesn't really reward you for getting better.
You don't have more rewards, you don't look cooler than and to your teammates

lunar hollow
#

the reward is being better

lyric burrow
#

yeah

#

the satisfaction of improving

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and being better

upper sun
#

yeah they really should give basic rewards for doing higher threat levels

lunar hollow
#

ppl who need like gold star stickers for playing games just baffle me cuz like u do it cuz its fun or u find another way to spend the time

lyric burrow
#

even once youve cleared the hardest shit

#

and then sometimes you get to really showcase it

#

in a random clutch

untold niche
#

I mean I have other games where I I get better and I look cool, even if its to myself. I find that much more satisfying.

radiant frigate
#

is that the real twist

lyric burrow
#

no

#

stan has cursed me

radiant frigate
#

unfortunate

untold niche
#

Or fighting games where your progress is much more visible to yourself.

lunar hollow
#

darktide fills a niche that very few other games do

lyric burrow
#

souls/DT and fighting games are def the most satisying games to get better at

#

for me

#

and DT/souls get the benefit of not stressing me tf out

lunar hollow
#

if i said "i like playing darktide" and someone said "but why not play fighting games and feel more rewarded" i would be very confused what their point is because they are two different genres

untold niche
#

I mean improving is fun but if you can see how much you improve its even more fun.

I play games to have fun.

lyric burrow
#

i wouldnt say i cant see myself improve in DT

untold niche
#

I don't have like cravings I.e. " I want to shoot stuff today so I play darktide"

untold niche
lyric burrow
#

yeah there are games where you can see although it depends how you gauge it

#

like

radiant frigate
#

i can definitely see myself improving

lyric burrow
#

fighting games would be a good example

#

because a lot of people will go oh i won more = better

untold niche
#

OK maybe I didn't address josh properly

#

Josho

lyric burrow
#

but like its just kinda hard to compare

#

ig

untold niche
#

Darktide for me is casual coop game that takes some skill, so if I'm feeling lazy I can play.

I just stopped playing DT because it got repetitive due to the reasons I said about getting better in DT not much difference, and also how I'm just getting bored.

radiant frigate
#

i can also say that builds like gunker are very weird to play

#

i just play dt when a friend asks me to hop on

untold niche
lyric burrow
#

i have competed in fighting games

#

people 100% just care about results

#

its not a good way to think about it

#

but they do it

untold niche
#

I played Steve in t7 and all I cared about was how many b1s I can CH in a single game.

lyric burrow
#

it is better to just worry about if you are better at X thing than you were X time ago for sure

#

and i will say it is a bit easier to do that in other games although again it comes back to them being very different games

#

so like its kinda hard to gauge

#

cause in DT you can still like set goals for yourself

#

since that helps people

#

really it just depends on what you play for

#

i didnt really play DT with the idea of improving

#

it was just a side effect of loving the gameplay

#

and i just happened to play it enough i got better

#

eventually i did care about improving

untold niche
#

I liked the gameplay, then got slightly bored + didn't like how it felt like I didn't have any control over the game
So I got better.
Once I reach my personal peak at psyker the game felt really repetitive AND I had no other goals to improve on.

lyric burrow
#

yeah thats fair

#

i think of lot of people likely hit the same point

mighty fractal
#

That's just burnout

#

Everyone hits that point at some time or another, especially in non-competitive games

untold niche
#

Some people are more creative like arco who recently made that super cool build.
Or people like josho that know every nook and cranny of the game

I can't be arsed to do either, at least for this game.

lyric burrow
#

i just happen to enjoy the gameplay enough it doesnt really feel like repetition of even if it does it just doesnt bother me cause im enjoying it regardless + the game just throws varied shit at you

#

and now you can at least put together builds

#

like ive been trying all the weapons on psyker now

#

most of my friends i got into the game hit the same point

mighty fractal
#

So long as you play the game in moderation and don't try to bring the thrill you got back when you were going through your honeymoon phase with the game, you can make your enjoyment last a long time

lyric burrow
#

where they either got frustrated or stopped caring

mighty fractal
#

Especially in a game like DT, where it's constantly testing your ability to handle different enemy compositions (and also has a super satisfying combat engine)

lyric burrow
#

i might be playing more now than i used to actually

#

well

#

at my peak i was playing like 40 hours a week

untold niche
#

I didn't want to grind for stuff that I have a chance to not have fun on I guess xD

OK admittedly the teammates affected me alot.
Like I ranted about this like 5 times already but the +5 vet on my a5male and then same vet on a5histg that couldn't shove dogs really pissed me off

mighty fractal
#

a lot of people hit that burnout phase, then start getting mad and blaming the game for not doing its job of entertaining them

lyric burrow
#

yeah breaks are good

mighty fractal
lyric burrow
#

ive needed to take breaks from p much every game aside from DT

#

esp fighting games cause those can put stress on me

mighty fractal
#

VT2 was the last game to hook me for that long

untold niche
#

Usually if I take break off a game I stop playing forever. Or come back to it for 2 months

mighty fractal
#

I used to play a lot of fighting games

lyric burrow
#

2 month breaks arent super unusual

mighty fractal
#

But my local scene did a Cadia and evaporated

#

so I lost a lot of motivation to keep playing

untold niche
#

No come back to it for 2 months then stop playing again xD

#

The only game I can pickup and play anytime is csgo because the fundamentals are the same, at least for my average skill level

mighty fractal
#

yup

little rapids
#

FATSHARK IM GONNA GO PLAY HELLDIVERS 2

#

actual child post

mighty fractal
#

Then they'll go play the next big game

lyric burrow
#

yeah people are weird in the tide community

little rapids
lyric burrow
#

they will ask for content and then complain about the content given to them

mighty fractal
#

go through the honeymoon phase, start to see the flaws in their newest favorite game, and then repeat the burnout process

little rapids
#

i say that as a longtime redditor

lyric burrow
#

or ask for updates from devs and shit on the devs for giving update

mighty fractal
#

A lot of gamers are just like that in general

near drift
#

gamers should be jailed indefinitely without trial

lyric burrow
#

yeah

#

idk just like

mighty fractal
#

Back in my day, most of the gamer tribalism we had were just console wars or schoolyard fights over which MMO you played

lyric burrow
#

play a different game or enjoy the game in the meantime

untold niche
lyric burrow
#

its not complex

upper sun
#

just dont leave the prologue

lyric burrow
#

ive been kinda replaying the same few games for a while now

mighty fractal
#

These days, a lot of people are gaming nomads where they'll play the absolute shit out of a game, burn out, get mad, then move to the next new hyped release and start all over again

lyric burrow
#

till ff7r rebirth comes out

upper sun
#

ye most new games are trash

mighty fractal
untold niche
#

Or some games, like that top down tarkov after playing for like 15 minutes I realise you just had to look sound you before you walk, which makes it pretty easy. Then I was like I have no idea why people like this game so much, refunded.

lyric burrow
#

i should like competitive shooters but i cant get into them

#

they just

untold niche
#

What kind though

lyric burrow
#

obliterate my mental health so i only have so much motivation to get better at them over time

untold niche
#

I really liked r6 siege. At least when I played ( second year of launch)
My favourite multilayer game of all time.

lyric burrow
#

i liked siege like 5 years ago

#

it was my first comp game

#

i put like

#

1200 hours into it

#

i could not care less anymore

#

depsite never getting good

#

which kinda frustrates me

untold niche
#

I played it in uh 2016 I believe
All I remembered was since I played it on the second year, I played it way before anyone thought it was cool.

untold niche
# lyric burrow which kinda frustrates me

I never had this problem with siege.
Just coming up with your own solutions was fun as hell

Siege is quite similar to FG in the sense that your foundation is your knowledge checks, then beyond that is how you play/think/solve the problem

#

That part has alot of player expression.

#

I didn't have an official rank because I was still a child so had a bed time, but everyone in my clan was plat3/4

#

I wasn't getting carried either

lyric burrow
#

the game punishing me for losing + communuty being ass made me feel like shit

#

i think i peaked at plat

untold niche
#

Dude game was so intense sometimes I can hear my heartbeat in my ear xD

lyric burrow
#

it was fun

#

i just dont care anymore sadly

untold niche
lyric burrow
#

and i dont want to play that game casually

#

you lost elo as did your teammates

untold niche
#

I don't see that as punishment

#

As for community being ass.
For me I found a clan. Or rather a bunch of random including me played together and then formed a clan

lyric burrow
#

i could live with just me being punished

#

i mean i already wanted to off myself for any mistake in that game

#

but other people losing for me being ass

#

just felt like shit

untold niche
#

I think you took the rank too seriously. It really isn't punishment. It's a literal rank adjustment.

#

If your teammate lose rank because of you, then I'd you are not there they will gain it back if you are actually the cause

lyric burrow
#

i mean logically your right

#

but in game when 4 other people are affected i am not thinking like that

#

i am simply hating myself

untold niche
#

I think if their licelyhood would he affected I would feel the same way but it's just a game

lyric burrow
#

like in the moment it is very hard for me to think about it properly

untold niche
#

You should play nioh2

#

I am nioh2 fanboy

lyric burrow
#

as a dark souls challenge runner i do plan to try i t

#

eventually

untold niche
#

Please don't play it like darksouls

#

I played darksouls3, fought till I killed dog boss then stopped because it wasn't fun at all

#

I play nioh2, very very fun

#

Stopped because no time

#

Game needs dedication for me.

lyric burrow
#

i love ds3, i did like what i played of nioh one

#

but i didnt beat it

#

once im done doing challenge runs for ER/DS3 i will probably move onto the soulslikes

untold niche
#

Ds3 felt to me very much
Wait for boss attack, dodge. Do your 1 or 2 attack in which you can never overeating. Now wait for boss attack again.
Which felt very boring for me.

#

Nioh2 you can overextend in certain situations, you can attack while boss is attacking way more.
There's more game mechanics to play with.
There's actual tech that is hard to pull off AND looks cool

lyric burrow
#

yeah ds3/ER is a bit slower

#

than nioh

#

esp ds1 and 2

#

they are very very slow

untold niche
#

I don't know, irs not even about being slow. Monster hunter combat is about as slow as ds3 on slower weapons but it felt nicer to play because of the mechanics you can work off of.

#

Ds3 felt very samey, very uh "rule"

lyric burrow
#

yeah its decently consistent

#

if your not doing like

#

no hit

#

cause then jank can happen

#

well ER has jank baseline

untold niche
#

It felt like I'm practicing math questions than I am playing a game.

lyric burrow
#

but DS3 only really shows it when you are fighting a boss for a long time and cant get hit

#

yeah

#

i mostly just enjoy executing on knowing a boss to a T

#

like my ER run where it was all 165 bosses randomized and i couldnt die was very satisfying because i had to to adapt on the fly a lot and know how to fight so many bosses

#

which is the main reason i play

#

p much for the bosses

#

weapons can be fun too

untold niche
untold niche
lyric burrow
#

i mean duo bosses do exist

#

they are usually done poorly outside of ds3

#

that goes for other From games too

#

i am a duo boss hater

tired estuary
#

nah darklurker whips

untold niche
#

Admittedly personally I have a slight biased against ds3 because everyone on reddit called it fun and when I tried it wasn't fun at all. I believe they only found fun from the satisfaction of beating hard game.

I feel like one find a hard game unfun, but reddit seems to phrase it like people don't find it fun because it's hard. Quite elitist imo.

lyric burrow
#

yeah a big draw of DS games is just the satisfaction of overcoming challenge

untold niche
#

So imagine when I found nioh2, hard game but super fun.

lyric burrow
#

hard bur fair

tired estuary
#

idk I like most souls games and ds3 is pretty low on that list it's all pretty subjective

lyric burrow
#

yeah

#

i like ER less than like

#

90% of the community

#

and i still like eR

untold niche
lyric burrow
#

list of the souls games

#

they have played

#

IE they like it less than the other ones

untold niche
#

Ah

lyric burrow
#

but yeah soulslikes tend to be very subjective

#

a lot of people tend to not like anything not from fromsoft that is a similar game by default

#

and a lot of people just like from games more

untold niche
#

Yeah I just feel ds3 is an undeserved circlejerk.

But when I had this talk with someone else, he did bring up a good point.
Dark souls pioneered certain mechanics like the resting and losing all your currency on death, type thing.

feral verge
#

@spice veldt

lyric burrow
#

and then there are also people who like the other ones more

#

idk souls games are like very quite good

#

maybe a little over hyped

#

but if it clicks it clicks

#

well i say souls games

untold niche
lyric burrow
#

ive only played ER and DS3 extensively

#

MH is great

untold niche
#

One thing I don't like about MH ( subjectively) is the camera

#

I just can't click with it lol

#

If you like skill based SP games you could try DMC as well. Didn't click for me but it might for you

lyric burrow
#

i did get used to it

#

but i would prefer a lock on

#

actually

#

i think it has one and i hated it

#

i was like a not traditional one though iirc

untold niche
#

i use greatsword so i just gave in and started staring at the monsters actual ass, not knowing when it would attack, just going it off by pure feel

#

i uh, wasn't great at the game as you can tell xD

lyric burrow
#

i got like

#

ok at it ig

#

only took 400 hours

untold niche
#

i played that game purely for fun

#

was just funny to slice off tails

lyric burrow
#

but even then im not amazing

#

i dont know monster movesets super well or how to take advantage of all the items

untold niche
#

i only know monster usually has tailwhip, claw attack, headbutt, and leg scratch xD

ivory path
#

turns out doing a run with 3 other siblings is a blast

feral verge
#

3 psykers in a pub usually ends in defeat

#

4 psykers is usually a cakewalk

ivory path
#

we kinda clowned on that run

#

myself and one other with surge staff, the other 2 with purg

#

2 bubbles

#

paired surge with purg, purg handles hordes while surge kills elites

untold niche
#

makes the modifier redundant

lyric burrow
#

pre patch 4 psykers was usually death

#

now that shield exists

#

we win

ivory path
#

Ive just been doing quickplay auric damnation

untold niche
#

if you have full build that should ( as in what most people do) your "normal" difficulty

radiant frigate
#

on another note i find that whenever i see 4 vets it's a shitshow

ivory path
feral verge
ivory path
#

been trying to build back up

feral verge
#

i rarely if ever feel the impact of shield

#

i never bring shield

lyric burrow
#

multiple shields made a big diff in my exp cause it just pauses the game with randos

#

since randos arent aggro

ivory path
#

I honestly havent missed shield when i swapped to other builds

feral verge
#

and it's very rare for me to see a shield psyker and feel that their shield made a signifigant impact, atleast for me

ivory path
#

Its nice when you dont have any frontline though

feral verge
radiant frigate
#

i am not a fan of shield

feral verge
#

because i am very agro

radiant frigate
#

or bubble

lyric burrow
#

yeah if you aggro

#

youll notice for 2 seconds

#

i am aggro when i play with competent people

radiant frigate
#

i guess you could use it as an "oh shit" button if you also play aggressive

lyric burrow
#

but with 3 randos they just die behind me

ivory path
#

Getting shot from ranged? Just say no, ranged enemies cannot legally shoot you if you run empathic evasion.

untold niche
#

if i have a 3 competent players, and if the game gets too easy i play really dumb

#

just to add some spice

#

only on zealot tho, gotta keep my stacks on DD psyker

upper sun
#

what do we think?

#

pre bricked or what?

lyric burrow
#

its good but you have to get a good perk and blessing

#

next

upper sun
#

ye

lyric burrow
#

otherwise bricked

#

good enough stats id gamble it

upper sun
#

elites 4 was good

#

whats the path for transfer peril void? nexus 4+flak?

lyric burrow
#

id do flurry if you want a transfer void

#

and yeah flak elites would be fine

upper sun
#

uhhhh sibling i'm afraid I do not have flurry KEKW_ogryn

lyric burrow
#

F

#

farming time

upper sun
#

eh ill keep it for now

#

not horrible for 20k docket investment

lyric burrow
#

You could also run cara if you wanted to deal with crushers but thats more of a surge void perk

upper sun
#

yeah

little rapids
#

holy shit mettle with trauma is like

#

all ur toughness back

radiant frigate
#

not too fond of trauma

storm fox
#

Psyker is way too fragileπŸ«₯, any suggestion not too relying teammate?

hollow spruce
#

blessings for purg staff?

feral verge
hollow spruce
#

bet ty

feral verge
storm fox
#

The only way to survive is to kill even faster than teammate after 300hours on this class I found out

hollow spruce
feral verge
#

psyker has the best/easiest toughness regen feats in the game

hollow spruce
#

if you are dying a lot I rec smite

feral verge
little rapids
feral verge
#

you want cloud radius and burn to be high. burn should be 76% or higher

#

flak perk is a must

hollow spruce
#

gotcha

#

thanks brohta

storm fox
#

Yep, I can drag and run backward to melt all the mobs, I never dead from overheat, it is so easy to get overwhelmed in auric or 5++

feral verge
#

second perk is up to personal choice, but i think maniac is the best. unyielding and crit chance (not crit damage) are solid picks

radiant frigate
feral verge
#

oh yeah true i forgout about that

#

1.8k hours in, still havent gotten ogryn to 30

lyric burrow
#

Yeah ogryn toughness regen is really hard to beat

#

Psyker gets more at range tho

feral verge
#

overall, psyker has better regen though, for every scenario

#

yee including ranged is what i mean

lyric burrow
#

Second wind comes close but i would agree

#

Psyker gets it for doing anytbing

radiant frigate
lyric burrow
#

Ogryn do be the designed class of all time

radiant frigate
#

playing ogryn gives me brain damage

feral verge
#

The funny thing is though

#

Most pub ogryn players are so braindead that even the braindead class can't save them

#

Especially the larpers

#

If I see a pubgryn type in chat: "I protecc lil uns!!!"

#

I KNOW they will spend half the game downed, dead and disabled

lyric burrow
#

Yeah

#

I appreciate the thought

patent wing
#

its so stupid to compare dmg numbers if u have a vet in your team

#

first fight in the game after 2-3 specialists and some poxwalkers was against 6 crushers which were insta killed with a krak grenade and gave him 30k advantage instantly

#

how is this grenade allowed to be restored via talents

upper sun
#

thats every tree compared to psyker

#

Do 25% extra damage

#

vs >do 3% extra damage if you land 13 crits backwards stacks twice

stone totem
#

Throwing rocks satisfies the ancestral urges to kill things with fast primitive projectiles

little rapids
#

rock croncher by night

patent wing
#

vet is extra stupid i swear.
krak grenade giga op with restore talent
plasma gun giga broken
power sword good vs every thing

#

i want power cycler too fs pls

stone totem
#

You would think that's like the in-tree synergy they would LET happen

#

But they intentionally barred it

upper sun
#

yeah i really think they unjustifiably nerf psyker talents because lol no ammo

#

ammo managment isnt even that bad even without having a survivalist on your team

#

AND WE ALSO USE AMMO if we run guns

radiant frigate
#

ammo management is not even a thing

#

you just have infinite ammo if vet is on the team

#

simple as

upper sun
#

devs dont even play their game

hollow spruce
#

^

#

known

upper sun
#

jesus christ they made a warhammer powerwasher sim

#

its so over for darktide

wet belfry
patent wing
#

compared to many other games the skin quality is really really bad

upper sun
wet belfry
#

Amazing

cosmic sigil
torpid girder
raw storm
raw storm
#

If I was a Dev I have a computer that does not allow me to use cheats..lol

cosmic sigil
#

The cheat codes??

upper sun
#

he means they can give themsleves items plasteel etc

cosmic sigil
#

There's different type of testing. You may use cheats to test a build, but you do also need user testing

upper sun
#

man the amount of people that have leaked gov secrets to empress random people in bars

#

if i could give myself a godroll void staff

#

i 100% would

buoyant maple
dense zinc
feral knoll
#

Which Psyker staff has best overall damage?

feral knoll
feral verge
#

because they are all good at certain things

#

if you want to do the most damage on a scoreboard, then you want blaze trauma, purga staff, or surge voidstrike

#

most damage i've ever done was 1.3 million with purga staff

feral knoll
#

I suppose I’m looking for single target generally. Because Surge feels meh at that despite using that a lot and I like it

feral verge
#

voidstrike staff with surge blessing

#

will one or two shot everyything but bosses

feral knoll
#

Never used voidstrike much so. Probably will be fun. Thanks : )

feral verge
#

you want this setup

#

you could swap maniac for carapace, to one shot crushers

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but i like maniac for lmb spam damage

primal ravine
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rate my drip

mental grail
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I want that jacket

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FUCK

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hand it over

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that thing

primal ravine
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the best part of it is not seen on the screen

mental grail
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your drip

primal ravine
mental grail
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Bruh

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I fucking hate this store

primal ravine
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Agreed

mental grail
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let me buy what I want

orchid shadow
mental grail
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And not have to wait 4 months

primal ravine
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the thing I hate is my fit is actually 3 item from different sets

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so it took me forever to get it that good

mental grail
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Bro I look like a bum

feral knoll
# feral verge

Never seen the surge perk before. Oh yeah. I want that

mental grail
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It was even worse when I was stock

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honestly praying for the drip jacket to come back in rotation

primal ravine
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I wish you luck

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the pants are in right now tho

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I just bought them

urban sandal
dense zinc
warm spindle
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is burn stack on crit good?

urban sandal
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for what weapon

hexed geyser
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I'm just rocking the black psyker drip at the moment, or the white and green one. Both look good imo

warm spindle
urban sandal
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it's a good blessing for the recons but recon lasguns in general suck

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blaze trauma is perfect for a crit build but it's pretty hard to build a good one

warm spindle
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honestly, I got dumdum and disrupt, the damage isnt that bad especially with how much I crit

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its probably not the best but lasgun larp is fun

potent echo
warm spindle
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yeah my plan is to counter carapace by stacking burn on crushers

potent echo
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But you must give up headhunter or dumdum for it

potent echo
warm spindle
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but i have no clue about the damage and how much it would be, I would almost guarentee max stacks if I shoot at something

warm spindle
potent echo
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Just go to the psyk and test, it's not that difficult

urban sandal
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there are much better options for dealing with carapace, such as dueling swords, brain burst, trauma/void staves

warm spindle
potent echo
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Then buy it and try it

warm spindle
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lol

mighty cipher
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I actually just backfilled on the WORST psykers imaginable

warm spindle
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god forbid I ask a question in the psyker chat

potent echo
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It's always better to know for yourself than trust random people online like me πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

mighty cipher
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I'm not usually a person to shittalk people, but HOLY FUCK these psykers sucked

wet belfry
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give me the mark

mighty cipher
warm spindle
wet belfry
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Its not good on the 7A

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7A Is the heavy recon

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It fires slower, has heavier damage then the other two

warm spindle
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I crit enough to get the benifet tho

wet belfry
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Theres less chance for infernus to proc on it just due to the firerate

warm spindle
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depends on how long the burn lasts but I have a 20% rate on it

hollow current
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I like infernus but for Carapace? I don't think that's the play.

grizzled wedge
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DIRTNAP here, to the guy in my last maelstrom mission struggling with the voidstrike, this is the boomstick.

fair spruce
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an actual bullpup recon lasrifle

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(if you say they're all bullpups cuz I didn't know that I'll roll you in a lil boll)

primal ravine
# grizzled wedge

I prefer the quell on weakspot, if you aim right in hordes it actually reduce your peril

cosmic sigil
mental grail
plucky flax
untold niche
untold niche
untold niche
austere crest
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is this bad

cosmic sigil
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just change the perks

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you need block efficiency and sprint efficiency too

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or maybe stamina

upper sun
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either he needs a break or the servers are empty

upper sun
paper loom
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what does Hadron have agaisnt my weapons?

urban sandal
upper sun
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same cosmetics too

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also zealot

urban sandal
upper sun
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to be fair stamina perks are also underrated

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assuming you dont really need a perk for a breakpoint

austere crest
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@opal pawn sold me. gun psyker is the strongest of them all

rigid sky
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You're the biggest threat to everything on Atoma

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Including yourself

austere crest
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he almost talked me into a keystone too but i chickened out

rigid sky
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Take Disrupt Destiny on it omg

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Go full glass cannon

austere crest
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a keystone on my current build would be too overpowered i think

rigid sky
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It's addictive as hell

austere crest
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oh trust me im the glassiest cannon XD

rigid sky