psyker-class

[wind spruce]

Assail to supplement seems better

[rich jolt]

Scriers + dueling sword kills hordes well enough for me not to have to worry about it

Also overkill is the only correct kind of kill anyways

[wind spruce]

Fair haha

[fallen yacht]

big e gave me this, never used this type of staff

[hexed geyser]

That's a very good staff

You've got the perfect blessings and perks already, just a bit low. And quell speed could be better but you won't notice in game, all the other stats are great

Depending on what you want to do with it i would just leave it like that, or improve some of them. Personnally i wouldn't touch it and wait in case of buffs or nerfs in the future.

[fallen yacht]

[urban sandal]

you can make up for the quell speed with the solidity talent

[hexed geyser]

Well solidity is a given with any surge build anyway

[urban sandal]

true

[hexed geyser]

And if you quickly want a build for it, that's what I've been using for a while, with a melee you like (deimos or ds4 recommended):

[mighty fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-disintegrate-half-life2-hl2-gif-23941439

[wind spruce]

No perilous combustion 🤡

And no mettle or perfect timing

Yikes

[hexed geyser]

Which one is perfect timing?

[wind spruce]

Extra warp damage on crit

Top right, next to mettle

[hexed geyser]

Yeah it could be useful on bosses

[wind spruce]

And everything else.

[wet belfry]

One of the major reasons to dislike surge is how streamlined the surge staff build is.

Either hit the bps with the right build or dont.

[wind spruce]

I understand your point but that's only if you're of the temperament where you want to tinker and fiddle with small variations in build. I wouldn't say it's a reason to dislike the weapon in and of itself

And to be fair I'm of the aforementioned temperament

But, yeah, surge is pretty "solved"

[hexed geyser]

What's the crit % for a surge?

[wind spruce]

High

It's literally one of the modifiers lol

[hexed geyser]

Idk what i would remove, maybe soulstealer for pc... But the 20% damage from warp rider just feels better than mettle to me. Or the 10% damage on smite, but it's really nice for elites

[wet belfry]

Battle meditation

The likelyhood of it proccing is low, espically with a single target focused staff such as surge.

You already also run soldity, warp charge peril reduction, venting shriek.

Its overkill on the peril reduction department to also run battle meditation.

[wind spruce]

Drop both smite upgrades. They are very, VERY low impact

And yeah drop Battle med

[hexed geyser]

That's what i'm seeing right now

[wind spruce]

Battle med is only good with scriers

[hexed geyser]

Are we sure about pc in that build? It's late and i should go to bed so don't quote my math, but it looks like 50 damage for the whole warpfire from one kill.

[wind spruce]

Warpfire stacks.

[hexed geyser]

Or will i be able to kill enough elites to make it go higher quickly enough?

[wind spruce]

It's not about what just three stacks does

Plus you have creeping flames

[wind spruce]

Definitely

[wet belfry]

It grows expotenially.

[vocal cliff]

"pick up that can"

[hexed geyser]

Alright, thank you for everything, that build was way too old anyway

[wind spruce]

No worries

[dim wren]

voidstrike dump stat is?

[wet belfry]

Blast radius, it hits its cleave limit without needing higher AOE.

I belive the cleave limit was like 12?

[vague musk]

seems pretty good

[wind spruce]

8 iirc from my testing a couple of weeks ago

[mighty fractal]

Sometimes Snipers will spawn in the pitch black walls of the Relay Station finale

[wind spruce]

(On poxwalkers)

[mighty fractal]

And you’ll just see a red laser poking out of the darkness

[dim wren]

from the shop just now o:

[mighty fractal]

I get combine sniper flashbacks whenever I see that

[vocal cliff]

Real for that

[wind spruce]

The cleave also acts weirdly with Surge... if you line up twenty poxwalkers the surge projectile detonates at the same point as the original one

[lyric burrow]

everytime lol

at least you can actually shoot into there

no invis wall

[hollow current]

Oh man I got footage of shooters in that bullshit

Let me see if I can find it

[mighty fractal]

Yeah that’s true lol

Sometimes trappers will spawn up there and a net will fly out of the darkness and scoop up your ogryn who was standing beneath the hole

terrifying stuff

[lyric burrow]

trappers shooting from above me makes me very sad

[mighty fractal]

The scariest is during Sycorax

I’ve seen teammates get netted and yoinked back into the maintenance tunnels as the doors close on them

[urban sandal]

trappers shooting makes me very sad

[mighty fractal]

(You can just alt f4 to quit and re-enter the game next to your team, but we don’t acknowledge that)

[lyric burrow]

oh yeah

i also had a knife zealot press the button at the end of the running section at the start and then run back in

and we all got trapped

[hollow current]

Poor vet getting trapped twice back to back.

This clip is hilarious

[mighty fractal]

Bubble completely nullifying all nets

[hollow current]

If it wasn't for DD wallhacks those stalkers woulda destroyed me.

I thought a gunner was in there at first.

[wind spruce]

The music doesn't match my darktide vibes at all hahaha

But I love anyone who uses las pistol on Psyker so no hate ❤️

[hollow current]

Youtube auto plays gives all kinda of stuff. Some of it fits better than others 😝

[wind spruce]

@austere crest have you seen the latest Reddit post about you?

[hollow current]

God I should have abused the curio bug when no one believed me.

[wind spruce]

What curio bug?

Also what perks do u run on your las pistol @hollow current ?

[hollow current]

This one.

Perks are unyielding and elite, though I'd run flak if I could.

I ate shit and got carried one mission that paid me 160k which led me to try and figure out how that happened.

[plucky flax]

When was this?

And aren't you NA? I don't play on NA that's another guy with same name.

[wind spruce]

Three hours ago

That's lame, how dare they

I'm on asia pacific south

[dim wren]

🤔 to swap weak spot out to carapace/flack or swap nexus to flurry

[austere crest]

oh god what now

[prime elk]

nexus + surge is meta

[austere crest]

i promise i've been really good and have been trying to take the backseat in matches and let the team get more of the kills and just making sure they were surviving ok 😬

[hearty oak]

New staff for psyker next update:

[plucky flax]

Yeah that's not me. You won't catch me with low damage.

I was sleeping 3 hours ago.

What tru level were they?

[radiant frigate]

i guess you are famous

[austere crest]

Nope I am apparently a basement dweller for having a high amount of hours played XD

[dim wren]

oh boy 😄 perfect

[radiant frigate]

how many hours might that be

[austere crest]

roughly 3k o.O

scratch that, roughly 3100

[wind spruce]

Can't remember tbh

[wind spruce]

You found it 🥲😂

[hollow current]

when the psyker has more melee damage combined than the rest of the team.

[elder glade]

[mighty fractal]

I hope that team didn't have an ogryn

otherwise i will have to have

serious words

with them.

[lyric burrow]

surely

thats all that can mean obv

[hollow current]

left to right. Vet, Ogryn, Psyker, Psyker.

[mighty fractal]

[sullen sphinx]

Range build Ogryn

[hollow current]

He was using the achylls too.

And the psyker had the purge staff but only left clicked.

[sullen sphinx]

Puffomancer Psyker

[austere crest]

Left click best click.

[mighty fractal]

there is a special place in the warp reserved for people who alt f4 while I'm reviving them and leave the team with a bot for 5 minutes

then there's a heal station and everyone deliberately ignores it and goes down when a boss and a mauler patrol show up

oops!

[hollow current]

I don't get the heal station ignoring.

[mighty fractal]

Pride, or they think it's too far away, or something

I really don't get it

[hollow current]

I'm shameless about slurping that medicae up.

[mighty fractal]

most people need that extra heal

I'll give up heals if I think a weaker player could use it better than I will

[elder glade]

I feel like people tunnel vision so hard that they forget they have a health bar

[mighty fractal]

You can ping the station as much as you want, or type heals in chat

and they still won't heal

I make it a point to grab medkits too because people like to save them for CLUTCH MOMENTS

[hollow current]

I'm not to greedy if a player is bad on wounds but otherwise I'll pick stuff up and inject it straight into my arm without a thought.

[radiant frigate]

it is weird to see

[mighty fractal]

when just dropping it in a horde while people are a little hurt is perfectly fine

[radiant frigate]

"how dare you narrowly revive me"

[mighty fractal]

It's even better when they're using some sort of plugin/mod that lets them rejoin 10 seconds later

I don't even know how that works honestly

I played with some zealot who did that the other night

[radiant frigate]

last time i had that happen someone else filled the slot later

yeah same

[mighty fractal]

They'd dc almost every time they got stuck in fire, or got netted

and then they'd be back in under a minute

[radiant frigate]

i was about to revive them and mid-revive they quit

they were in fire before but it dissipated as i was picking them up

[mighty fractal]

[radiant frigate]

and then they vanished

[mighty fractal]

poof

[elder glade]

Sometimes I wished team damage was a thing for moments like that

[hollow current]

I think it's some mod console command.

[elder glade]

disconnect from this filthy casual

[mighty fractal]

It's probably a macro or console-level yeah

[radiant frigate]

in the words of the loner

[hollow current]

kind of how like you can select certain maps

[radiant frigate]

fine! leave! see if i care!

[mighty fractal]

Good riddance to the shouty

[hollow current]

me every time a knife player gets killed and leaves.

There really is an emperor 🥹

[radiant frigate]

meeting the emperor any% speedrun

[mighty fractal]

UNHAND ME

[thin finch]

just votekick

[mighty fractal]

HEEEEELP

I REQUIRE AID

🕸️

[thin finch]

I have to admit that the DRG yell button is lacking

[mighty fractal]

then you free them

[elder glade]

but that isn't personal enough

[mighty fractal]

the stealth zealot goes invis

eight crushers suddenly turn to you and prepare their overheads

stealth zealot manages to get smashed anyway

[thin finch]

the good thing about being a psyker is that you only need 1 crusher, so the 7 other are busy doing nothing

[elder glade]

Every time I see a zealot built like that I think this is either the greatest zealot to ever exist or they die within the first two seconds

[hollow current]

shits hilarious when you're dancing with carapace overheads and another player thinks they can join. Then they got swatted.

I always try to attack from the side or another angle when people have the agro because that can get real dangerous real quick with the target switching

[mighty fractal]

It's very satisfying

[elder glade]

DS 4 moment

[thin finch]

still the best swortd out there

[elder glade]

Exactly

[mighty fractal]

jfc yet another game with low-health zealots and psykers who ignore medicae

[elder glade]

Just not your day

[thin finch]

It's because you complain about it

so the game throw more at you

[mighty fractal]

and then go down five seconds later

[elder glade]

The machine spirit is not pleased by your cries

or frustrations

[mighty fractal]

they're all getting tossed into the warp

all of them

[radiant frigate]

cretin! you're pulling my arm off

[elder glade]

you do realize my sins are contagious

[radiant frigate]

oh thank you very much i'm sure

i have touched you, you're damned now :)

[mighty fractal]

That's one of my favorite lines in general

the way fem loner says it is so cheeky

[thin finch]

Let me be a transgender and change my voice FS pls

or share the inventory of gun between same character

[hollow current]

My last game I had two mid twenties getting boosted in the normal maelstrom. poor rejects didn't even come close to 100k damage each.

[thin finch]

which remind me that I tried Auric maeltstrom 3 time yesterdat, only death

it was fun tho , nice team

[radiant frigate]

i usually stay away from maelstrom

weird modifiers

Mostly Ranged is just 🥱

[mighty fractal]

I wish we could change name/gender/personality after character creation

[radiant frigate]

it would be nice to try the others' lines sometime

[mighty fractal]

It's the 41st millennium, surely some of this is possible

I changed my vet like 4 times until I settled on Male Loose Cannon

[radiant frigate]

i say this mostly for vet

i kinda wanna hear more of the loose cannon

big goober energy

there was one exchange with the professional i heard only once

[sullen sphinx]

Also, did anyone remembered their own character creation choices? Like planet, job, why they got arrested

[radiant frigate]

where the loose cannon mentions something like "besides, pretty sure i can't die"

[radiant frigate]

cadia, ???, ???, ???

[mighty fractal]

Space Kruber™️

Fem LC is p good too

[radiant frigate]

anyway the professional then wondered how LC came to that conclusion

[stone canyon]

I usually let other players get em, as ive had the unfortunate moments when i place medkit when all low on health, not remembering the map that around corner is medstation

[radiant frigate]

"there's all these heretics shooting at us and i'm still here"-ish

[stone canyon]

Still new enough to game to not remember all maps 100%

[sullen sphinx]

I myself just remembered that we had those choices, no idea what did I pick

[mighty fractal]

My oggy is from a mining colony

[radiant frigate]

OH and the crime was misplaced faith

but that i know because green

[mighty fractal]

because large dwarf

I chose blue for almost every class because I like blue

[hollow current]

I save them for a light show in the elevator or ship

[mighty fractal]

My Zealot's name is missing a letter and it bothers me to this day

it's supposed to be Moriath

But instead it's Moriah

and it just looks like Mariah Carey

[stone canyon]

Have you explored the mines of Moriah?

[radiant frigate]

i love the loner

[mighty fractal]

sadly no

she is not a dwarf

[sullen sphinx]

Loner personality is great, I like this self-awareness

[radiant frigate]

most of my screenshots are just various lines

[mighty fractal]

I know the feeling

[wind spruce]

Best way to learn where they are

[rigid sky]

Male or female loner though?

I love them both but male more

[radiant frigate]

fem loner

[mighty fractal]

I've actually never seen that line

[rigid sky]

He's such a ham and such a little bitch too

[radiant frigate]

perpetually dissatisfied slav lady > The German

[sullen sphinx]

I like this one

[radiant frigate]

a classic

[mighty fractal]

I think only Male Loner says that particular version

[rigid sky]

And I get the feeling he cares more about the other people than anybody else

[mighty fractal]

Fem Loner cuts off at the first Lifespans

[mighty fractal]

Except Bully

Bully is a good man

and Bodyguard too

[rigid sky]

This is the specific reason why I love him most

[mighty fractal]

Fem Loner
Bodyguard
Male Loose Cannon

[rigid sky]

Male I mean

[mighty fractal]

are my three favorite voices in the game

male Loner has some great delivery too

[radiant frigate]

god i wish i snapped more of this exchange

[mighty fractal]

but he'd grate on me if I played him often

[radiant frigate]

it was with a zealot

[rigid sky]

I sense great... stupidity

[radiant frigate]

i think the irish one

[mighty fractal]

clartyhead

[rigid sky]

Also male loner Scrier's Gaze lines are delightful

"I think it's time to kill everybody!"

"You're all going to die! Isn't that nice?"

[mighty fractal]

then sometimes Brawler does a thing

https://i.gyazo.com/1333398b0df680d447e28a38bbba7875.png

true wisdom from the Brawler.

[radiant frigate]

it started something like "i thank the emperor for guiding me to spare your life, freak"

then they went "eeeh, details! we're here now, aren't we"

and then the one up above

[mighty fractal]

There's a great exchange between Loner and Bodyguard that I'm pretty sure is exclusive to Male Loner

[rigid sky]

I want to see all the rejects have a drink at the bar together

Or maybe a beach episode

[rigid sky]

Hopefully I see it soon, male loner is my main pretty much and my girlfriend exclusively plays bodyguard

[sullen sphinx]

We need our own Abyss bar, where we can order drinks and deploy fully drunk afterwards

[mighty fractal]

"[Something something] you great gallumphing grox! Oh, look. You've made me so angry that I alliterated!"

"Use simple words."

"Now, you listen to me... Wait. You did that on purpose?!?"

[radiant frigate]

so relatable

[mighty fractal]

Then the Bodyguard doesn't say anything

I love the lines that hint at the Ogryns being a lot smarter than they let on

[rigid sky]

I like the theory that they are all boneads

Brawler is the only one who knows he is because his is malfunctioning

[mighty fractal]

Mazosi and Hallowette definitely buy Judge Zealot a drink and then bully him

[rigid sky]

Can't all the ogryn talk to the doors?

[mighty fractal]

Bully may not be educated, but he's pretty sharp

[radiant frigate]

vet to judge

[mighty fractal]

Recent 40k lore hints at Ogryns being a bit more intelligent than the Imperium likes to believe, and that a lot of it is Imperial propaganda

[rigid sky]

Bodyguard is just a big fluffy teddy bear

[mighty fractal]

You see it a lot in Necromunda

[rigid sky]

It's more fun this way imo

Ogryn are slow but not stupid

[mighty fractal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYkF31_Ce6s

These lines are what made me warm up to Savant. Gotta have a bit of sunshine to make the grimdark truly work

[mighty fractal]

I think Loner has a line where they make fun of Seer for babbling about their Beloved

it's pretty vicious

[rigid sky]

Savant is great

[radiant frigate]

Loner also has a funny exchange with Savant

[rigid sky]

It's just It's put next to two unhinged glorious lunatics

[mighty fractal]

The Bodyguard line about wanting a pet is very warm and fuzzy too

[rigid sky]

Loner and Seer are funnier

Don't think there's a personality I don't enjoy seeing

[radiant frigate]

"you're always so calm and collected, sibling"
"thank you"
"it was not a compliment. sometimes i wonder if you even have blood in your veins"
"rest assured that i do, please do not verify"
"i make no promises"
"please tell me this was an ill-advised attempt at humor"
"i make no promises :)"

[mighty fractal]

especially because you know the Bodyguard is gonna show up on the ship some day with a Fenris Wolf puppy

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Fenrisian_Wolf

[rigid sky]

Savant actually might be my least favourite across the whole game and I still love them both

[mighty fractal]

Man that's great

[sullen sphinx]

I think Loner is relatively sane, they just angry at everything

[mighty fractal]

I've never heard this one, either

[radiant frigate]

i have only heard it once

loved it

[mighty fractal]

I do wish there was a calmer, more collected Psyker voice

but the current three are all pretty great

[rigid sky]

They have the madness of telling Stalin to his face that he's an asshole

They aren't wrong, they just lack self preservation

[mighty fractal]

and then he'll try to convince Morrow to let him bring the wolf on a mission

[rigid sky]

Definitely a lot of megalomania

[sullen sphinx]

I think they speak like this only on missions, otherwise it'll be weird how NPCs are chill with his attitude

[radiant frigate]

paragon of humility

[rigid sky]

Talking about the carrion Emperor in front of a zealot

[mighty fractal]

Morrow would probably be okay with it to sniff out heretics

Don't think Mazosi would want it taking a dump in her Valkyrie though

[radiant frigate]

that exchange actually goes further with The Professional

[rigid sky]

Meanwhile loose cannon is chuckling and knocking back another shot of black market rum

Ogryn is like "yes, he is carry on forever"

[mighty fractal]

The way Male Seer delivers the Assail voice lines is very endearing

and unsettling

[radiant frigate]

one, two, three, found you

[mighty fractal]

"3... 2... 1... Found you!"

[rigid sky]

Seer is the scariest in general

[radiant frigate]

seer is easily the most unhinged

also, does fem savant have new scrier's gaze lines? the one time i tried it, it had the same lines as shriek

[rigid sky]

Once the tzeentch daemon that's messing with them decides it's time to change tack

[radiant frigate]

i know male savant has fresh lines for it

[rigid sky]

Male loner has the best lines for it still imo

Also my fat thumbs managed to spell best as "newt" on my first try

[radiant frigate]

idk what male loner's sound like

[mighty fractal]

im suddenly feeling VERY POWERFUL

[rigid sky]

Not even autocorrected there

[radiant frigate]

but fem loner has excellent ones

[mighty fractal]

I like to think the voices you hear when you're at max peril are a Tzeentch daemon

but just watch

it's gonna be Belakor again

[radiant frigate]

i am going to assume you are on mobile

[mighty fractal]

it's always belakor

[rich jolt]

I like male savant quite a bit. Only nice personality ignoring ogryns

[radiant frigate]

if you type with your thumbs on your keyboard i have concerns

[rigid sky]

Loner is nice in a way, just very prickly. Also loose cannon.

Seer is nice too, just unstable

[radiant frigate]

speaking of vet

[mighty fractal]

Savants have a nice dynamic going on where they're morally conflicted between their Enforcer training and 'doing the right thing'

[radiant frigate]

male cadian never stops yelling

[rich jolt]

Maybe male loose canon female loose canon is volatile

[radiant frigate]

fem cadian is a lot calmer

[mighty fractal]

Fem Cadian is a lot easier to listen to

she's savage,

[radiant frigate]

Yes

[mighty fractal]

but not earbleeding

Male Cadian has some great ult lines though

[rigid sky]

Excellent avatar btw

[mighty fractal]

And hearing the edginess break down in some of his exchanges is delightful

[rich jolt]

Thank you

[radiant frigate]

once again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsjZaHk8mbs

[mighty fractal]

He has a few exchanges where he shows a little softness

or gets flustered

[sullen sphinx]

Cadian poetry

[rigid sky]

Absolutely loved that game

[mighty fractal]

Savant just yells in a monotone too much for me to enjoy playing as them

[mighty fractal]

ngl they shouldn't have used Male LC Shout lines as the comparison in that video

Male LC shout is still pretty good

[radiant frigate]

my favorite vet exchange so far has been cadian and LC

[rich jolt]

Amazing for a fan game. Never got to play it myself since i dont own a pc but I watched all three routes on youtube

[mighty fractal]

But Male Cadian definitely goes above and beyond

there are some rare exchanges for when you have all three vet personalities on the same team

Probably for the other classes as well

[radiant frigate]

<some line about vet going on a killing spree>
"True."
"What, they ration words on your homeworld of Cadia as well as food?"
"Funny girl."

[sullen sphinx]

Nice one

[mighty fractal]

lmao

Professional and LC have some good banter too

It might only be female Professional, for a few of them, too

There's one where the LC teases the Professional for getting kicked out of the Guard

[radiant frigate]

the real endgame is farming rare voice lines

[rich jolt]

I like the back and forth where loose canon trys to get professional to sing with her

[mighty fractal]

and then there's the well-known one where the Professional asks the LC who she's dating

[mighty fractal]

wait wtf

I've never heard this

[radiant frigate]

yeah same

but i also play neither of these

[mighty fractal]

900 hours in this game and I'm still learning about new banter

[rich jolt]

I forgot how it goes but its female loose canon and male professional

[rigid sky]

Some of it gets added over time too

[mighty fractal]

Yeah they activate a few new lines every major patch or so

hadron_moan.wav

ENTERTAINMENT.

You know the one

[rich jolt]

huh?

[mighty fractal]

from the Carnival briefing if Hadron is your CO

it's a dumb joke but it always makes me smile

[rich jolt]

OH that one

The briefing

[mighty fractal]

https://i.gyazo.com/379e2244372e8551794f35a54fdae291.png

what the hell did I just join

[sullen sphinx]

Oh, lucky you, nobody died

[mighty fractal]

(then they did)

it was pretty dire straits lol

End of Chasm Terminus mid event where all the gunners spawn

[vestal fulcrum]

Hadron also does this whenever she calls the Torrent… the Torrent (or rather specifies that ”locals call it” the Torrent), in mission intro to, I think, Vigil Station

[sullen sphinx]

They should do something with those joins, at least introduce us in a cool way

[hollow current]

Sometimes it's amazing the shit you drop into.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1204637150092722177/hot_drop-1.mp4?ex=65d574c5&is=65c2ffc5&hm=2611cd1b468f030d52315ea575984064c2413c62dabeade95232970c06680e0b&

[sullen sphinx]

Yep, that's why the first thing I do when joined mid-game is to drop bubble

[rich jolt]

They really need to make a punishment for purposely leaving games midway through

Half of my quickplay games are already half done by the time i join

That should not happen

You handled that really well though

[radiant frigate]

the music really enhanced the experience

[mighty fractal]

This game is still going somehow

[spice veldt]

it's a casual game so i don't think a punishment on leaving midgame is warranted
you're punished by losing out on the time invested in that match anyways

[rich jolt]

I meant more something like overwatch (ew) leave enough games mid way through in succession and you get a mission reward decrease for a bit

[stone canyon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU7L8vK9Y2I this was my smoothest quickplay game so far

[mighty fractal]

and it just ended to a rager swarm

[sullen sphinx]

Classic

[spice veldt]

on the other hand there might be people who genuinely do need to leave in the intervals of time over which a match occurs

[mighty fractal]

I couldn't even get a trauma blast off in time because of gunner fire

most qp is pretty chill honestly

[spice veldt]

i really do not think that systematic leavers are such a problem in a game like this where a punishment is warranted

[mighty fractal]

that one was just

very special

[radiant frigate]

yeah but that's different from consistently leaving games

and that too yeah

[spice veldt]

and there's a positive reinforcement system in the form of quickplay that rewards backfilling games

[mighty fractal]

a constant leapfrog of people dying and getting rescued and dying again due to lack of healing

[spice veldt]

so it's not like players leaving midgame is a dealbreaker

[rich jolt]

Over half of my games are already ongoing

Like 85% at least

[mighty fractal]

I do wish we could just join lobbies outright or host new ones without having a timer count down in the corner

[spice veldt]

i can't say my experience is the same on NA west

[mighty fractal]

but that ain't how the game is set up

[rich jolt]

This would also make me happy

[sullen sphinx]

Too complex, it's not like Fatshark has an experience in that field

[spice veldt]

if you don't want to join games midway, then i think the direct solution is to implement an option to only join non-started games

[rich jolt]

Either or i just want to play through an entire mission

[mighty fractal]

I'd also love to swap characters in lobbies

[spice veldt]

rather than something that can have cascading consequences elsewhere

[mighty fractal]

but the game stores characters and has to load them in every single time lol

[mighty fractal]

The game is probably qp-heavy because it generates the most data for FS + it means more people are actively playing all the time

even if the experience itself is... less than desirable sometimes

[rich jolt]

Agree to disagree then i guess. I get so many rage quiters

[spice veldt]

i just think that this game is casual and should stay that way

unless they add a versus mode where that might be warranted

but for a PvE mode?

definitely not

[mighty fractal]

Honestly the two reasons I can think of for DT being serverside is

1. Crossplay
2. Vermintide was filled with host-client bugs that FS just didn't want to deal with

[rich jolt]

Maybe theres a better solution i just want the constant leaving to stop

[hollow current]

It's amazing with my Psyker sitting in the valkyrie not knowing what they're getting dropped into.

[rich jolt]

What about rewarding players that dont leave?

[mighty fractal]

There definitely shouldn't be punishment for leaving

since people often have legitimate reasons to leave yeah

I don't think there's any way of avoiding it honestly

[rich jolt]

Unfortunately that might be the case

[mighty fractal]

A proper lobby system might help a bit though

[stable halo]

When you leave you don't get the pittance reward you get when you lose

[rich jolt]

I think its sorta just a warhammer thing. Toxic people are more prone to bailing from anger and they sort of come with the domain

[mighty fractal]

since people would have to commit more to jopining it

It's a little annoying that QP tries to drop you into the most recently spawned map on the overworld

[stable halo]

And I will drop a lost game if I'm downed if 1) the bot might save the day and 2) if I don't want to wait for the long ass debrief screens

[mighty fractal]

so it'll keep putting you into empty Lights Out lobbies no matter what

and if you try to start a lobby in another map, it'll likely be empty for a bit

or for more than a bit, since I often play late night

[rich jolt]

Lights out is goated though why bail

[mighty fractal]

🤢

give me HISTG or death

lights out literally puts me to sleep

I can't see anything, i slep

[stable halo]

I actually like lights out just because it makes the maps feel different

[rich jolt]

Noble cactus HATES fun

[mighty fractal]

I'll tolerate it just for a map or two

i enjoy SEEING

i do like the ambient poxwalker hordes that roam around the map in lights out though

[stable halo]

I wish weakened monstrosities were always an option, it's such a fun element to add

[rich jolt]

Youre only a real darktide master once you learn to play the game with sound ques only

I play blindfolded

[mighty fractal]

no, you need to play without sound cues

[radiant frigate]

lights out is concerning sometimes

[mighty fractal]

true mastery

vent purge is glaucoma simulator

[radiant frigate]

no sounds novisuals

[rich jolt]

Hell

[mighty fractal]

turn off monitor mode

[radiant frigate]

looking through the warp mode

[stable halo]

Entirely from your intuitive sense of the warp (fatshark code)

SIGHT BEYOND SIGHT

[ionic sorrel]

I play only after the electric company shuts off my power.

[mighty fractal]

Sometimes when you stealth as vet or zealot, the entire screen gets this awful vaseline smear effect

and you cant see shit

that should be a mode

[radiant frigate]

doesn't it just go kinda greyscale

or something

[mighty fractal]

It's odd

For Zealot it does

For Vet, sometimes it's all green and super blurry

I don't know what causes it

[radiant frigate]

idk it has been a long time since i played stealth ults

infiltrate just sucks so bad

[mighty fractal]

Infil is p nice with certain guns

but you need to run the -90% threat talent

[cold geode]

Infiltrate is amazing

[mighty fractal]

it lets you play super aggressively

[cold geode]

This

[stable halo]

I just tried Skudie's speed psyker build I have no idea how she stays alive in game

[radiant frigate]

75 toughness 💀

[mighty fractal]

The problem is that Shout is just better at almost everything and does everything you'd want in a single button press

[stable halo]

Insane

[radiant frigate]

Yes

infiltrate can save you

[mighty fractal]

and infil requires a lot of tax nodes

[radiant frigate]

shout also sets up kills

and shout is easier to get to

[mighty fractal]

shout saves you from toughness penetration

shout lets you snipe gunner swarms arguably better than Exe

because overtoughness is busteddddddd

[radiant frigate]

idk i use it to run at things with melee

[hollow current]

shout really is strong. get super toughness and knock down everything near you.

[radiant frigate]

clears space for a res

[mighty fractal]

Exe vs gunner swarm: ADS, slide dodge constantly, try not to die from melee enemies, gain marginal damage boosts
Shout: gain overtoughness, snipe three gunners without the toughness breaking, then shout again

[radiant frigate]

gets ragers/crushers out of your face

[mighty fractal]

it's overtooled and low investment

[radiant frigate]

i really do not like exec stance

[mighty fractal]

exe stance is not worth it almost all of the time

sadly

[spice veldt]

the only sin of exec stance to me is dropping on swapping weapons

[radiant frigate]

even if it was i wouldn't run it

[mighty fractal]

It hits some funny breakpoints and has a bunch of weird hidden buffs

[hollow current]

instant reload and pinning fire days

[rich jolt]

This

[mighty fractal]

like suppression immunity

[spice veldt]

i think it's fine as basically a neutral game enhancer since it theoretically has a lot of uptime cuz of extensions

but dropping on swapping weapons just puts a stop to that

[mighty fractal]

Yeah it's not a BAD ult by any means

[rich jolt]

Having to to choose between ending my ability soon or having to tiptoe around a single poxwalker as you try and shoot makes me livid

[radiant frigate]

member when exec stance made you bullet resistant and refilled your toughness

i member

[mighty fractal]

Just a lot more work when shout makes your job easier all-around in the same situations where you'd want exe

[radiant frigate]

member when vet had 200 base toughness

[mighty fractal]

I remember.....

I even used Plasma back then

back when it was 'bad'

[radiant frigate]

i just used kantrael XII

i am now aboard the Ia train

[mighty fractal]

I almost exclusively play helbore mk3 on vet these days

it's a fun challenge

[radiant frigate]

hate how long the draw time is on helbore

[stable halo]

Plus the WWI rp opportunities

[mighty fractal]

Yeah it's a pain

You never quite get used to it

[radiant frigate]

else i might use it

[vestal fulcrum]

Well, that is valid, but once you have a Helbro out, you can use its special button

[radiant frigate]

that's all fine and dandy but it does not mesh with how i play

[stable halo]

poke poke poke

[mighty fractal]

I don't use the bayonet often out of principle

mk1 and 2 bayonets are cracked

it's just boring

[radiant frigate]

i mostly just bring out the ranged weapon for specials

helbore would be really slow to respond

by that time kantrael would have killed them

and i'd be back to melee

[vestal fulcrum]

Unless you fight an entire swarm with it

[mighty fractal]

helbore does have a lot of nice little perks

They have suppression immunity

[vestal fulcrum]

You don’t have to pull it out if it’s already out

[mighty fractal]

and near-infinite ammo econ with Shock Trooper

[radiant frigate]

interesting

could skip that talent

[mighty fractal]

Yup

[radiant frigate]

but i get the feeling that helbore would be godawful with weapon spec

[mighty fractal]

THE BEST PART IS

GUESS WHAT ELSE GETS SUPPRESSION IMMUNITY

PLASMA GUN

[radiant frigate]

what

[mighty fractal]

so the helbore doesn't even have that leg up over the plasma lmao

[radiant frigate]

plasma is also fast on the draw

[mighty fractal]

it's also a faster draw yeah

Plasma does have crap dodges

but that hardly matters

[radiant frigate]

i hate that plasma is actually a good choice for the "new" build i cooked up

[vestal fulcrum]

Imagine using only plasma

That weapon gives me brain damage

[mighty fractal]

That's how i feel when I purg

my brain loses cells

[vestal fulcrum]

Purge at least involves some movement proficiency to put it to great use

[mighty fractal]

yeah in big open areas you have to use brain

[vestal fulcrum]

Plasma has 50 cleave on light shots and one shots basically anything it touches to the head

Positioning? I hardly know ‘er

[mighty fractal]

Plasma used to be balanced by the fact that you had to play around the vent

Venting cost raw hp, so you had to build for reload or plan your reloads

Now I don't think hp vent should return

hell no

but maybe the vent should cost way more toughness

that and nerf the light shot cleaves

give them more spread, make them fire slower, etc

[rigid sky]

Make it behave a little more like a Voidstrike right

[mighty fractal]

these are the things i think about while i take over two minutes to connect to what is likely a losing game

[mighty fractal]

Yeah pretty much

[rigid sky]

Since Voidstrike isn't even a bad weapon at all

[mighty fractal]

https://i.gyazo.com/a2f06d8e30f390d9ef52187d788bd3c6.png

[vestal fulcrum]

Making light shots not an answer to everything would certainly be a start

[mighty fractal]

moments before disaster

(moments before gunner patrol and rager swarm)

[vestal fulcrum]

This is the moment when dropping a medipack would be nice

Had you had any, but I don’t see your inventory

[mighty fractal]

naw bro i'm gonna hold it for that CLUTCH HEAL

Nah I didn't have one lol

I would have dropped it with the swiftness

[sullen sphinx]

nah, you'd win

[mighty fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/jujutsu-kaisen-domain-expansion-fade-madoka-madoka-magica-gif-3243985145252757914

[radiant frigate]

plasma vets who don't melee give me brain damage

[mighty fractal]

i had a plasma vet in a game overheat the other day

which also gave me brain damage

[hollow current]

Can't they only do that with charged shots?

[vestal fulcrum]

That’s the point

They are using charged shots

[mighty fractal]

Vets wonder how psykers explode and then blow themselves up with plasma

[hollow current]

I only ever leftclick spammed on my plasma. charged shots only seem worth it for one hitting a conga line of carapace in the flak.

[mighty fractal]

That's it, yeah

or pre-charging for trappers rounding a corner

god the load times are atrocious tonight

I think this game tries to connect you to EVERY single player in the Mourningstar when you load in

I have a top-end CPU and it only helps so much

[rigid sky]

Or for getting revenge on that umgak sniper who didn't warm his shot up

[mighty fractal]

iirc it's also because the game caches everything in the game as you load in

[rigid sky]

"Nice shot asshole, try this one"

[mighty fractal]

fires tree trunk in general direction of red laser

[radiant frigate]

to whom it may concern

[mighty fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/log-ren-stimpy-gif-18050633177369619965

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-rainbow-rainbow-rat-party-party-rat-gif-15295946645615339051

[mighty fractal]

r

ratte

[radiant frigate]

Yes

[rich jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-tussiniiduk32-gif-27701794

[radiant frigate]

don't give in to the voices, sibling

[rich jolt]

Its hard

[rigid sky]

GO ON, ONE MORE ASSAIL, YOU PROBABLY WON'T DIE

[thin finch]

good job now I want to play

ima play

btw any though on the laspistol ?

[potent echo]

Yea it's like a networking server issue

Also I feel like there's a bus that comes every so often to ferry players into the hub, because you rarely spawn in alone

[balmy flax]

Fun and quick to swap to/from.
Dps feels meh even with headshots.

[thin finch]

even the MK X? Feels nice to me 🤔

well I have it with the fire damage , it helps

[potent echo]

Adds like maybe 100 damage

[thin finch]

It's, ... it's sumthing

(I never really checked)

[balmy flax]

I ran it for a few hours on my vet. The Mk x breakpoints nicely, good mobility, hipfires great. Can reach out and hit far even if damage gets low.
Then I compared to lasguns and headhunters and ttk on elites and specials feels alot faster ingame. Havent even compared in meatgrinder though.

[potent echo]

Only noticable on ogryns and bosses usually, everything else would be dead to 1-crits and 1-2 followup shots

[thin finch]

the ttk of the lasgun > of the laspitol or the othet way around ?

[potent echo]

Laspistol has better crit bonuses afaik

[balmy flax]

Lasguns mk12 and mk4. Felt faster by a good margin.

[thin finch]

does it include critchance ? because that would make it an actual good alternative to the handcanon for the crit gunker, I feel it does , but there is a difference between feel and fact

[balmy flax]

They do worse hipfires and slower swap though. I like laspistol.

Think laspistol was only critdamage as I looked in the crit stat ingame.
Perhaps it has higher base though.

[wheat seal]

is there a mod for faster loading?

[thin finch]

I dunno if it's good or no for the gun, it's still a gun 🤔 but at the same time it's bad in crowd compared to autogun imo ,especially the slow firing mk X
but it's still a gun, I shoudl check if it has better critical multiplier to see

[potent echo]

Not too sure, but from the darktide breakpoint calculator

Laspistol does more damage on headshot on flak/unarmored but less damage on maniac

[wind spruce]

Yes las pistol has 15% crit

If that's what you were asking

It's insanely good on psyker

[spice veldt]

duelling sword gaming

[mighty fractal]

That would make sense

[spice veldt]

mostly melee with duelling sword turns out not to be terrible

[potent echo]

2nd lowest damage 🤔

[golden tartan]

The laspistol should have faster TTK than the iLas

[potent echo]

No way heavy sword does less melee damage unless he joined late

[spice veldt]

he was playing on like >200 ping so that tracks

[wind spruce]

Las pistol is wayyyyy better than recons

[potent echo]

Highest boss damage though nice

[thin finch]

Yes it was , thanks mate

[wind spruce]

You'll have 32.5% natural crit with prescience and the 5% crit node. It's noice.

[thin finch]

mmmh 🤔 let's try it

oof

[vestal fulcrum]

That’s just light attacks, though

But I wouldn’t expect chainsword to be a great anti-Carapace weapon anyway

[wind spruce]

Yeah you use the special for carapace, and then realise it's still bad and switch weapons

[solid temple]

hey fellas quick question:
I'm trying to play left-side psyker but I find that all my headpopping targets keep getting killed by my teammates, so I'm having issues getting my keystone online.
Got any tips on how to handle this? Rules of thumb for what and when you target for headpopping, stuff like that.

[vestal fulcrum]

Pick targets no one else is picking. Go by marking for instance - if something is marked, let the team kill that while you focus on another thing.

There’s much more variables, though. I often don’t want to use my staff to target several elites, and instead use Shriek, activate faster BR casts upgrade and kill something relevant, possibly quicker

But I don’t play with the left-side keystone, as EP does a lot of good stuff for BR

Otherwise, I would mostly resolve to picking things that are outside of my reach, staff of melee

[spice veldt]

i only have the highest boss damage because i had to kite away from the plogryn and the 10 melee elites along with it cuz i couldn't use my trauma staff

[wind spruce]

Use the right click to pre charge brain rupture. I'd mainly suggest using it for specials and gunners that are out of range of your other weapons.

[mighty fractal]

https://i.gyazo.com/20ffa4284a428dd114b65916c98bca85.png

[wind spruce]

Brain burst isn't really a primary tool

[mighty fractal]

big large gaming

I only learned just now

that funny tongue attack that slugs do

that's actually them eating nearby enemies

[spice veldt]

the heal part?

lmao

[mighty fractal]

idk if it actually does anything

does it heal them?

[spice veldt]

ye

[mighty fractal]

per video game rules, it should

[vestal fulcrum]

It does

[mighty fractal]

I never even realized lol

[lunar hollow]

what a handsome and interesting vet i bet he was using the bolter

[spice veldt]

worst vet i've played with

[lunar hollow]

wrong.

[thin finch]

it's the same for heavy, but yeah true dat

[vestal fulcrum]

The heavies at least deal some Carapace damage, it’s not literally 0 ADM

[thin finch]

am dumb

don't know how to read table

well

time to surrender most of my weapon to mommy hadron

[viscid heart]

How do you guys do the Warp battery penance? It's become so difficult since the talent tree rework lol.

[sullen sphinx]

For me it was just random, I guess you can try to farm endless hordes at escapes

[viscid heart]

I guess thats an idea

[mighty fractal]

I did Hab Dreyko finale and escape on Auric with Blaze Trauma and the Psychic Vampire talent

purg should also work

[marble crater]

I did it with surge in a high intensity shock troop and was 'lucky' that my team didn't prioritize elites and specials that much (we failed the mission halfway)

[viscid heart]

I jsut did one, whee I SWEAR TO GOD i had 5 minutes worth. But apparently not haha

I WAS 9 SECONDS OFF

[untold niche]

what does overtoughness do?

[untold niche]

theres a mod that removes specific screen effects

[hearty oak]

Makes it so one shot weapons only take your toughness. Toxbursters do minimal damage

1 tick of overtoughness will stop you from going down from overhead swings and stop health from taken down from a sniper shot

[rigid sky]

Think it's intentional?

It is weird how much it pushes the overtough support ults over the other oned

Ones

Imagine dome if it gave 1 point of overtough

[hearty oak]

Probably. Don't really care though cause I'm discounting the 9 gunners on the other end of a room focusing you down

And you forgot deflector

[rigid sky]

I never forget deflector lol

It saves you once and then you feel married to it

Am I right

[hearty oak]

not this time
Sorry jimbo, I swapped your deflector to quell peril on weak spot hit

[untold niche]

sound cool, how to get overtoughness

[long wharf]

nope, you learn to play better without it

[untold niche]

how much is "minimal damage" for burster

[hearty oak]

You can't on psyker. Als your neighborhood chorus zealot or shout vet

[untold niche]

only on chorus zeal and shout vet?

[rigid sky]

Yep

[untold niche]

malding because shout vet gets overtoughness

[hearty oak]

I don't know exactly. You just take the least amount of damage and corruption from them

[rigid sky]

We can prevent bullets entirely though

For 6s

[untold niche]

why does FS make vet OP

[rigid sky]

Or longer if pressure isn't heavy

[untold niche]

with? deflector? or bobble

[rigid sky]

Bubble

[hearty oak]

Cause everyone was going to be John darktide

[rigid sky]

It has a 6s minimum duration

No matter how much damage is pumped into it

Can last longer too, but if it does then it probably wasn't wholly necessary

[untold niche]

ngl i don't really get this meme
what i understand is that its memeing on popular build(s)

[rigid sky]

Veteran is just the most generic FPS hero style class

It's not that it's bad

But it attracts the CoD kiddies

I think its bottom end tend to be the players who don't adjust to the Tide gameplay so well

[hearty oak]

loose cannon personality
from cadia
mostly the same character look
I wish I had the link to fs's post of the most popular character build

[rigid sky]

Not necessarily the least effective bottom end either, but it is a particular playstyle

Psyker bottom end is the actual worst lol

[untold niche]

but psyker bottom end not common in my games
and im pretty sure most common build is
krak nade, regen nade, shout, psword, plasgun

[rigid sky]

Most bad psykers don't make it to 30

[untold niche]

i feel psyker leveling phsae should be buffed (for staves)

so hard unless you are using assail

[long wharf]

it's really not that hard

assail just trivializes Malice and below

it really is a crutch, as new players don't learn necessary skills with an assail psyker wiping out everything without really trying

[untold niche]

i forced myself to use void while levelling but it was pure torture.
because it was a pea shooter

[long wharf]

one thing FartShack could do is lower the base damage of assail and increase the crit multiplier significantly

this would take some of the damage potential out of assail until you have keystones

[stone canyon]

Or make Assail skill scale with your level

[long wharf]

no

there is nothing in the game that scales with player level

and that shouldn't change

[wind spruce]

It would also make assail much more inconsistent, which I don't like

[stone canyon]

Well it would be the simple solution for leveling with it, either its OP low levels or useless high up if they take that in account

[long wharf]

this is true, but assail sits in a no-mans-land of difficulty adjustment

[untold niche]

phoenix, you don't think stave stat floor should be buffed?

[long wharf]

across the board blindly? no

I'd like to see trauma and surge damage bumped up

[rigid sky]

Maybe make blitzes in general scale to threat level

[long wharf]

and trauma epicenter radius increased

[hollow current]

Assail feels like it's in a weird place where for most people it's an okay state, and few others make use of it like third actual weapon

[untold niche]

thats a very generalized statement with assumed negative connotations

i feel void, if you don't have it with good stats its really shit
(am just taking about the stat floor and intervals between each jump)

[long wharf]

void and purge are fine where they are now

[hollow current]

I wish I could see how much damage I do with assail specifically each round.

[untold niche]

im not talking about void at like what i have now
i feel that shouldn't be changed yeah
i just want void to do more damage while levelling (i.e. at lower stat ranges)
more damage, faster charge times etc

[long wharf]

isn't there a scoreboard mod for skill output?

[wind spruce]

Pretty sure ovenproofs new mod can do this

[hollow current]

Ooooh, I need to take a lookie.

[wind spruce]

But I haven't tested it

It's on github

[rigid sky]

Yeah, I don't like that the main advice for most psykers is "pretend to be a shit veteran"

[spice veldt]

it would be a pretty simple solution to a blitz being overly dominant at lower levels

[rigid sky]

Until they hit 30

It's not like you can be a proper gunker at that point either

[wind spruce]

https://github.com/OvenProofMars/Power_DI

[rigid sky]

Plus gunker is the highest skill floor and skill cap psyker build

[long wharf]

you're not wrong, but at the same time, having nothing tied to level other than number of talent points is a good system

the problem is assail specifically

[rigid sky]

As I said, better solution is scale blitzes to difficulty level imo

[spice veldt]

some sort of scaling is needed

[rigid sky]

Either across the board or just for psyker isk

Idk

[long wharf]

or an upgrade node for assail further down

[spice veldt]

the problem is with assail cuz BB is poopoo and smite's thing isn't damage

[hollow current]

this looks neat

[long wharf]

reduce assail base damage slightly, take that damage and put it in a talent node before a keystone

similar to what vets put up with

[eager mantle]

Still doesn't solve the discrepancy between BB vs Assail. Only thing BB has over assail is armor and monstronsities, and I guess locking onto a target while you're behind cover

[spice veldt]

vet's nades are pretty good right from the getgo though

[long wharf]

increasing the talent point cost for assail performance is reasonable

[spice veldt]

besides smoke nades, which we won't talk about

[long wharf]

maybe a choice node pair, then

you can either have assail do more damage or it can pierce more targets

there are options

[spice veldt]

though it'd still be too strong

[rigid sky]

Also on a broader level, access to psychinetic aura

[eager mantle]

I just hope they have something cooking for BB vs Assail balancing

[long wharf]

I don't have a solid idea for fixing assail

[untold niche]

wait you can't assail behind cover?

[spice veldt]

since the lower difficulties have quite the reduced hp

[long wharf]

other than I'm not a fan of level scaling it

[spice veldt]

scaling is really the only solution, as inelegant as it may seem

[rigid sky]

Difficulty scaling

Simplest solution.

[long wharf]

or, hear me out on this one

turn assail into a staff

[spice veldt]

hell no

[untold niche]

huh???

[rigid sky]

NEIN

[long wharf]

hah

[eager mantle]

Scaling or how you've suggested before is the shard count. Feel like assail as it is right now should be something constantly swapped back and forth to

[spice veldt]

yeah

scaling and shooting the kneecaps of its max ammo count

and introducing a more fun conditional regen mechanic to it, either as a rework to Quick Shards or as something that assail gets as part of its base

shoot the kneecaps of all passive buffs in this game

[compact bluff]

only just now realizing it a vet could easily kill a malice boss or below with only kraks
kinda makes me even more in favor for difficulty scaling

[eager mantle]

Longer cd, X melee restores?

[spice veldt]

i'm personally a fan of my "on non-blitz weakspot hit, gain +x% faster shard regen for 1 second"

[long wharf]

I'd be in favor of kills with crits recharging shards

[spice veldt]

since i don't want it to be kill-based

[eager mantle]

4 krak vets vs 1 monstronsity w/ enhanced blitz

[spice veldt]

and i want to steer it away from zealot knives as much as I can while making it more interesting

[hollow current]

knowing fatshark you could just swap to melee or ranged and it'd still count.

[untold niche]

when i was new i was like "wow how did you kill the boss in 5 seconds"

[rigid sky]

Zealot knives are fucking cool though tbf

Amazing design

[spice veldt]

yeah zealot knives are nice but you already get them by playing zealot

[rigid sky]

Pity nobody uses them lol

[spice veldt]

maybe in a game where resource management actually mattered

oh well

[lunar hollow]

u have to deliberately try to run out

[untold niche]

i know exhil uses them to save cost, so build wouldn't be top heavy

[rigid sky]

I use them on my knife pervert at least too

[spice veldt]

yeah i like the top-right branch though knives themselves are quite nice

[rigid sky]

Since my ranged is needed for antihorde

[lunar hollow]

i want them to cut the number of knives you get in half so that at least you can't just spam them at a pack of ragers and kill 8

https://streamable.com/7cez68

[spice veldt]

zealot carrying an entire kitchen in their clothes

[untold niche]

NO, MY SECRETS

[lunar hollow]

me with my fire frenzy deathspitter infused throwing knives

[long wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/knife-throw-throwing-knives-angry-woman-angry-girl-knife-gif-25213809

[untold niche]

The first time i threw a throwing knife at nerfed rager, i was like "hmmm, interesting"

[spice veldt]

much to think about

[lunar hollow]

big things to consider here

[untold niche]

2 headshots to down a rager

fast RoF, no reload

no recoil.

[lunar hollow]

throwing knives in a world without survivalist are incredibly strong

[untold niche]

i don't think knives get suppressed.

[lunar hollow]

but since having a virtually limitless supply of special/small elite one shots isn't unique to them

u know

it's not picked very much

[mental rock]

Isn't knife 1 headshot to kill a Rager?

[lunar hollow]

one headshot with +maniac on a dreg

[mental rock]

Or maybe that's cause I have +maniac

[lunar hollow]

need more specific buffs for a flak rager

like a crit

or 3 stacks of deathspitter

pinning fire/dumdum probs also works too

[mental rock]

Gotcha

[eager mantle]

If the game is still gonna have rager parties like this...I think the knife count is fair because I want to have bullshit vs the director bullshit

[untold niche]

wait josho, how come your dodge meter goes up and beyond 2

[sullen sphinx]

With Trauma, I like those packs. With a few blasts, we have a bunch of slightly angrier than Loner dudes just lying around, suffering mental damage

[lunar hollow]

mine counts up

[untold niche]

trauma op

pls nerf

[rigid sky]

NYET

[sullen sphinx]

Wait, I mean... Oh, no, poor Trauma can't handle anything, please buff it

[long wharf]

trauma epicenter seriously needs increasing

and damage gradient needs to be linear from edge of epicenter to max blast range

[sullen sphinx]

Yea, for now anything in the center will take massive damage while anything else just pushed away

[rigid sky]

I mean

just take blazing trauma

it solves that little problem

kinda

plus who doesn't love starting fires

Psyker Gender Reveal build

[eager mantle]

Random color trauma blasts

[sullen sphinx]

That's why I like it, even if I'm running not typical version of it

[untold niche]

specific, but this reminsd me of the rainbow laser pointers on payday 2 via HoxHud

[long wharf]

and the gender is always ... Warp

I now self-identify as a Warp Entity

[sullen sphinx]

Nah, it's INCOMPARABLE MIND

[spice veldt]

i would like a gradient damage and have only the targets at the exact center take noticeably higher damage so that you'll have to actually aim the trauma

[long wharf]

my preferred pronouns are "Tzeentch Baby / Slaanesh Mommy / Khorne Daddy"

[untold niche]

im salty i can't get a god roll trauma so i will agree with whatever trauma nerfs

[spice veldt]

so true

[spice veldt]

i'd also like this just as an implicit way to mess with its stagger and to make its stagger significantly weaker besides the very centre

[rigid sky]

I am they. Both because of me, and because of the voices in my head. :)

[spice veldt]

because trauma's stagger is insanely braindead in a similar way that smite is

and i want that shit gone

[long wharf]

you're such a glutton for self-flagellation

[sullen sphinx]

That's why instead of worshiping the big E, or Omnissiah, you worship Trauma God. Just put your faith in the Sacred Circle and you will be rewarded

[spice veldt]

it's not self-flagellation but it's just too much CC

and with other player nerfs, we can then tone down the ridiculous elite spam that we have

and then enemies get to be more of an individual threat

[wet belfry]

Arco is trying to push young psykers to smite.

[spice veldt]

i am seething

[sullen sphinx]

Smite is great, but use it in moderation

[long wharf]

there's nothing wrong with how trauma works, mechanically

there's something very wrong with how it aims

[spice veldt]

i'm fine with how it aims

[long wharf]

ew, ugh

[spice veldt]

since it's the same as what the rumbler is

[long wharf]

see, this is what I'm talking about

no, they're very different aiming mechanisms

rumbler is showing you a trajectory

[sullen sphinx]

They need to fix aim on stairs tho, it's annoying to fight anything there

[spice veldt]

on the other hand you do see the ground circle of trauma

[long wharf]

trauma is placing an invisible object at you're aiming point and places the trauma circle under it

actually, I think you're right

[lyric burrow]

my only issue with trauma is the comically broken CC

[spice veldt]

it's probably not the exact same but the general idea of aiming higher to shoot farther applies

[lyric burrow]

it could also probably aim better

[long wharf]

it's tracing a trajectory path based on your aim and placing the invisible object there

[lyric burrow]

although i dont hate it

[long wharf]

god damn, it's even worse than I expected

and to like it?

[spice veldt]

the aiming portion is one of the more interesting parts of it and i'd like it to keep it

[long wharf]

you have to worship Slaanesh for that shit

[spice veldt]

hell yeah

[lyric burrow]

yeah it is like a more interesting aiming mechanic

than surge autolock

and void is just like

a projectile

[spice veldt]

and i really want to tighten the skill down by reducing the area in which the damage and stagger is significant

[lyric burrow]

forgiving one at that

[long wharf]

grr

[lyric burrow]

the CC def needs to be toned down so you arent invincible

[long wharf]

trauma aiming is not "novel", "interesting", or any other euphemism

it's trash

hot, flaming, stinking trash

it's unintuitive and stupid

[spice veldt]

it's interesting with the consequence of nerfing its performance with range (and adding a flat cutoff to where it works)

i consider it to be an appropriate mechanic for a weapon that has both respectable damage and stagger and no other way of range falloff

so the range falloff part is offloaded on the player's ability to aim it

[long wharf]

I'm fine with having the damage be influenced by distance from psyker

[spice veldt]

i would hate that just for breakpoints

i'd rather keep a clunky aim system + no falloff rather than more intuitive aim system + damage falloff

[lyric burrow]

no damage fall off also helps to further keep it different from guns

[long wharf]

how about intuitive aiming with no falloff?

doesn't seem like too much to ask