#psyker-class

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rigid sky
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I think it's the highest skill cap build I have played personally

sullen sphinx
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True glass cannon of this game

rigid sky
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I am a bigger danger to myself than the heretics are lol

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At least with all the peril flux I regenerate toughness like a motherfucker

rich spindle
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yeah im still at the point where I can do auric but position wrong often and take damage. So im addicted to the easy staff spam + BB + venting shriek build

elder glade
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I honestly don't bother with assail on Gunker. Either BB or smite for Auric

rigid sky
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Assail helps me keep ammo in my gun

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DD/SG pushes it over so many breakpoints

sullen sphinx
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Assail on GUnker is good for light cleanup, Psykers are not that good with ammo generation

rigid sky
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You just have to be so careful with it

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If you forget you are in SG you absolutely will diem

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Die

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Fuck this keyboard

radiant frigate
rich spindle
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mostly

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purg also feels easy

radiant frigate
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purg makes me go šŸ’€

elder glade
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I've never had any issues with ammo whenever I go into Auric. I just got used to dipping in and out of melee and that was all I needed. I prefer having more uptime in SG than having assail.

However, I do have a dedicated assail build which i like with a revolver. I just don't enjoy combining assail and SG. It's a personal preference

radiant frigate
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i don't generally like assail but it would be very handy vs snipers if you use a gun since you aren't suppression immune like vet

rich spindle
radiant frigate
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and i prefer my ranged weapons to be ranged

rich spindle
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yeah. it sucks having to BB trash shooters

radiant frigate
vestal fulcrum
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Sprint-sliding into shooters is often the safest way of handling them

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Be it Purge or anything else

rigid sky
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Shriek can deal with them pretty well

urban sandal
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staves are pretty shit until you get to level 30 and get high charge rate and damage

rigid sky
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Or you can run assail or dome

sullen sphinx
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You can throw some LMB to suppress them for good measure

rigid sky
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Purgatus is probably the best of a bad bunch

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Maybe voidstrike because you can do minimum charge shots for trash cleae

urban sandal
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even with that, I stuck by trauma staff from the level i unlocked it all the way till even now at level 220

rigid sky
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Low level trauma is utter sadness

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Almost made me quit psyker on the spot when I tried it

urban sandal
rigid sky
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At 30 it is by far my favourite staff though lol

sullen sphinx
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This staff is made to deal mental damage, too bad low level ones deal it to you

rigid sky
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Blazing spirit trauma is like a drug

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Why are the two psyker builds I like the most also the two most likely to blow themselves up

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I could just run venting Shriek on my trauma I guess but I feel naked without the dome on that staff

vestal fulcrum
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I bought it

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I need to generate 38 peril on special activation

urban sandal
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i’ve not gotten a good blazing spirit trauma yet but I like rending since warp flurry lets me throw them out in the oh shit situations

sullen sphinx
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Dome in the corner and nothing but hounds can get you

lunar hollow
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i could never get past the weird input order for casting shield/dome tbh

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always felt off to me

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and with the wall i always end up placing it the wrong damn way because im stupid

rigid sky
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Unless it decides to not crit

sullen sphinx
rigid sky
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I just shit out more traumas until one works

sullen sphinx
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Yep, ultimate gambling

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But yea, True Aim is the only way to justify Rending + Blazing blessings combination

tulip kettle
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and it still sucks.

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blaze trauma with max nexus and 5% crit is only just about passable on the crit rate. barely.

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running it without nexus is gonna show you a very bad time

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so, i discovered yesterday that +carapace perk doesnt make any difference on a duelling sword with uncanny

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what to run instead i wonder

sullen sphinx
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Unyielding can be a good choice for boss damage,

tulip kettle
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yeah i think so

radiant frigate
sullen sphinx
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A bit clunky play style, had fun running it tho

acoustic trench
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Does anyone know if Surge can do weakspot hits on the secondary? Or does it target body all the time?

old matrix
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This a decent staff?

wind spruce
vestal fulcrum
wind spruce
vestal fulcrum
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One can get to full peril VERY QUICKLY

sullen sphinx
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Pros: you can get to full peril very quickly
Cons: you can get to full peril VERY quickly

vestal fulcrum
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I think I might have one with even lower Warp resist

wind spruce
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Amazing for a bunch of builds

vestal fulcrum
sullen sphinx
vestal fulcrum
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Yeah, okay, I don't think I want to go any further

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Either this lands on Executor/Slaughterer/Uncanny or it's a brick in my book

radiant frigate
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Real

wind spruce
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I'd keep it for the day I might want deflector

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But that ain't coming

rigid sky
vestal fulcrum
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I’m not a big fan of bullet curver ā„¢ļø either

rigid sky
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I guess you could do it with Assail though

sullen sphinx
stuck sinew
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A build exclusive to the truly enlightened

lunar hollow
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nah man what u actually want is to use blazing spirit for assails

radiant frigate
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blazing spirit surge trauma

sullen sphinx
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Inflicting 6 stacks of Soulblaze on LMB crit

radiant frigate
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Yes

spice veldt
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i like my rending/blazing trauma cuz i just use assail + ds4 most of the time and only whip out the trauma for danger scenarios

lunar hollow
spice veldt
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i didnt blow up binch

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i was merely 0.1ms from it

lunar hollow
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those extra frames gave u the reaction time to stop the suicide

spice veldt
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TRuE

rigid sky
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Death edging

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the sport of kings

wind spruce
spice veldt
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i can farm stacks with ds4 and use the blazing trauma as a vet shredder nade

mighty fractal
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Late but Auric Mael varies a lot in intensity

spice veldt
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or i can just spam them on a melee elite pack and probablistically get a crit proc that way

rigid sky
mighty fractal
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sometimes it's not much different from a regular Auric HIST

spice veldt
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since i have ~4 casts (each 1.9 seconds, 1.3 to cast and 0.6 seconds of downtime)) to get a crit off to maintain the soulblaze stacks before they decay (8.25 seconds)

mighty fractal
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it often is, honestly

rigid sky
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sometimes it's a glorious hellscape

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I mean hi5stg is pretty hardcore too tbf lol

mighty fractal
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It's really only in Monstrous Specials and mostly Shooters/Melee where the game feels way different from normal

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HISTG can be oddly chill at times

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I've played regular Auric Hi-Inten Damnations that are more hectic

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but a lot of it is down to your teammates as well

rigid sky
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Sometimes the AI manages to use effective tactics and you get outplayed

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sometimes the AI just doesn't have a clue how to engage you

mighty fractal
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sometimes your vet shouts to free you from a slug and it barfs you out into a wall

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and then you clip into the wall and fall to your death out of bounds

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šŸ™‚

spice veldt
lunar hollow
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every now and then i get a 2 minute game where everything is immediately derailed because the ai director gets lucky that the different spawn positions sync up enemies

spice veldt
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just that shrimple

mighty fractal
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I witnessed that happen to an ogryn yesterday

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it was tragic

lunar hollow
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and you get dogged once into 3+ flamers/bombers covering a room in fire

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and its just like

rigid sky
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read that to the tune of total eclipse of the heart

mighty fractal
lunar hollow
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very cool game i got to play

mighty fractal
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It's all fun and games until the trapper flamer squad shows up

mighty fractal
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or this

spice veldt
lunar hollow
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the game i am thinking of was not won or lost based on my vision

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because i was the guy who got dogged first

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and this started a catastrophically dumb chain of events that lead to the entire special strike team being condensed into a 20 meter cube of death at the start of enclavum baross

mighty fractal
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This is my favorite

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everyone loves to hold the big open exposed area in front of the elevator here

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I have no idea why

lunar hollow
spice veldt
mighty fractal
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because this is when the game decides to throw 6 snipers at you

lunar hollow
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i havent fucked with my settings outside of turning off screenshake in like 1600 hours

spice veldt
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yeah i fuckin book it off to the side

rigid sky
vestal fulcrum
mighty fractal
spice veldt
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i consider both to be basically the same but probably the left so that you have more room to maneuver so that a single bomber doesn't destroy you

vestal fulcrum
lunar hollow
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and now i spawncamp the middle dropdown

mighty fractal
lunar hollow
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makes life a lot easier if ur on a melee build

mighty fractal
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because I killed three of those snipers a moment later

spice veldt
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the nice helbore-shaped weapon in your hands

rigid sky
mighty fractal
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I love me some helbore-shaped sticks

rigid sky
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(especially when it's one where they can literally drop on your head like the alcoves in the mid-event of warren 619)

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and you just look at them and think "yeah we're fucked the moment any kind of flame shows up"

mighty fractal
rigid sky
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"well fuck it we can all broil together"

lunar hollow
mighty fractal
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I'LL FLUSH THEM OUT

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🚽

lunar hollow
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(dont ask why theres no sound this is definitely artistic liberty)

mighty fractal
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and then four bulwarks drop onto your head

spice veldt
mighty fractal
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and also three bombers show up

lunar hollow
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my favorite part of the warren end event is that gunners on the 2nd floor can shoot down to the scanning area

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(i actually hate it)

mighty fractal
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Gotta love it

rigid sky
rigid sky
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Brunt had a really nice blue Rashad for sale with Bromentum and Hadron managed to get a Decimator IV on it :)

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only Bromentum 1 but still

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This ok or finesse too low?

stone canyon
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You will lose probably ~3% attack speed and slightly lower crits, might affect some breakpoints but you will probably still bonk multiple headshots that make several heads fly at once with that, useable but not perfect

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I just did my Psyker's melee weeklies lastnight with Rashad and then had to make build for it for my Zealot too as got excited

rigid sky
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Could I use it with DD or does it have to be WCs?

stone canyon
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I did my weeklies with Gunker build, but focusing on using melee more than usual

wind spruce
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More weakspot damage

stone canyon
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Yeah heads will fly with Brutal Momentum

rigid sky
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OK good

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It will work for my gunker then

wind spruce
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Yeah I've been running rashad with my las pistol

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Goes great

rigid sky
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Wanted a weapon that can pierce Crushers better than my Illisi

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And less risky for SG

wind spruce
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You could switch maniacs for carapace if you want it for crushers

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You're already going to be dicing trappers and flamers and ragers shouldn't be melee'd so it's really just mutants it helps with

rigid sky
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And Mutants die to a quick spray of CIAG anyway tbf

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Good call

wind spruce
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Yep!

rigid sky
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Tbh CIAG TTK vs Crushers isn't too bad with SG and DD active

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But it's a lot of bullets

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And in SG everything is so fast that it consumes too much of your SG uptime

wind spruce
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Yeah you can get one down in a pinch but when there's 5 of them you're out of luck

rigid sky
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And it means you aren't hurting the stuff you're actually good at

stone canyon
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And Crushers go down by hitting F for Fury and Critting em in the head for ½ their hp

rigid sky
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I think nobody really wants to be melee fighting ragers

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but if you do you want it to be over fast

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(preferably in your favour)

stone canyon
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Still happens, best to dodgeslide and switch to ranged, but not always option

hollow current
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huh. good to know. thumbsup_ogryn

stone canyon
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Anyways, i should have kept the Carapace there and test it more in Psykhanium but defaulting to just Flak&Maniac is so easy and sort of "safe"

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Though not optimal in every situation and weapon obv

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Even going +10% weakpoint could have helped reaching some BPs like Scab Bruiser oneshot to the head

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Now it takes Headtaker stacks to happen

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Weapon not 80 in critical stats either so will just have to live with it not being totally perfect, works more than well enough still

wind spruce
stone canyon
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Got Headtake IV to add to it, just got below 100 plaststeel atm šŸ˜…

wind spruce
stone canyon
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My Psykers Rashad had to be sacrificed for that, but i picked better base from shop already for Psyker too

wind spruce
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But that's probably because I've been using tac axes too much lmao

stone canyon
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Yeah watched your TacAxe video, smooth head chopping

wind spruce
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That might be the telepots video I linked?

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I wish I was that good 😢

stone canyon
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Psyker's new axe in the making

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Could still be bricked ofc, but just basicly needs Brutal+Flak anymore to be workable already

wind spruce
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Definitely got potential there

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Headtaker II isn't even bad

stone canyon
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20% power vs 25% from IV

wind spruce
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Exactly.

rigid sky
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Ok well my rashad did well enough to get me through an auric maelstrom just now

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not sure if I like it more than my Illisi

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think if I got a godrolled Illisi I'd prefer that but my slaughterer/bloodthirsty isn't the best

static needle
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Does carapace dmg on revolver actually give and substantial breakpoints? is it worth running?

wind spruce
static needle
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carapace is just useless hahah

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no breakpoints given

hollow jolt
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With Handcannon?

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Oh you mean the carapace perk

tulip kettle
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post clips of the tests plz

wind spruce
wind spruce
# static needle carapace is just useless hahah

This is also not how Darktide and Psyker specifically works, though. There is no strict breakpoints especially for something like crusher vs revolver. There's like six variables at play. DD, scriers, warp rider, distance, weakspot, crit. Not to mention team damage.

static needle
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therefore its redundant

wind spruce
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No one was ever claiming it could one shot.

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It's most certainly not "redundant".

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Ridiculous.

umbral storm
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alright im back with my magic stick whats the other blessing i should put on this / perk probably flak i assume

wind spruce
umbral storm
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better than nothing for a start

upper sun
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they need to remove runngun from the game

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or at least make better blessings everything is good for force swords staves only have 2-3 good ones per staff

hollow current
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Yes I witheld the med stim from my two teammates on their last wound.
Yes I let the zealot die so I could farm kills as they climbed up.
Yes I left the veteran for dead the instant she went down to save my own skin.
Yes I was deaf due to the music and got backstabbed fifty times in 1.2 seconds to a surprise horde from the back a few minutes later.

We recovered and won tho.

prime elk
limber silo
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I'd say rework it

upper sun
wet belfry
limber silo
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Make it so on staves it reduces the movement penalty for casting

wet belfry
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The amount of damage it would have done in an encounter like that would have been insane

hollow current
mighty fractal
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I thought fire from PC doesn't spread to DHs anymore

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and that was a temporary bug

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My anecdotal recollection is that I've brain bursted snipers and gunners fairly close to DHs recently and that the fire didn't spread to them

hollow current
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Maybe it doesn't, I haven't ran it for a couple of months so it might've been patched since I turned it off.

mighty fractal
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One thing I will say that you have to be careful of when you're fighting around a DH

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is chucking staff LMBs

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the suppression radius on those things is HUGE and they make daemonhosts very excited if a LMB flies even remotely near them

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maybe it's the daemon inside the host that senses the warp and wakes up, or something

eager token
silver mantle
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Have any of you tried revolver knife psyker?

signal cave
silver mantle
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I think it would be funny

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Found one

radiant frigate
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but why

balmy flax
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SƩrge staff

silver mantle
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Thought it would be funny to run it with the most knife zealot looking cosmetics I can

stone canyon
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At what point is Voidstrike Blast Radius too low?

eager token
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1%

wheat seal
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Assail > All

little rapids
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its more like a big rock

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i would like those stats on a roll

delicate walrus
# silver mantle Have any of you tried revolver knife psyker?

ive been trying it out some recently. its...fine? psykers other abilities and tree so strong enough it doesn't really matter much what you run. mobility + uncanny from knife is nice for shriek and assail. revolver is just kinda there for things out of reach of assail. there are much better options but its a decently fun build and not so bad that its griefing

silver mantle
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K

delicate walrus
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i would not run scriers tho

lapis violet
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noticed with a surge staff that sometimes enemies blow up suddenly. what causes this? how can i cause it more often?

lapis violet
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no. not right now, anyway

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just explode into bits

little rapids
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i mean, do u have it on

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the loadout

plucky flax
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It's surge staff vfx.

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Chance to gib.

little rapids
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Ah

lapis violet
plucky flax
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It used to gib on every kill.

lapis violet
lapis violet
lapis violet
little rapids
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very nice

lapis violet
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optimal? probably not. fun? very.

plucky flax
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It's very optimal.

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Illisi surge smite is one of the strongest build.

little rapids
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hmmm

lapis violet
eager token
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surge always feels underwhelming to me idk why

lapis violet
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by far my favorite melee weapon in the game

eager token
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i have a good staff and all that

lapis violet
eager token
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maybe

wheat seal
eager token
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i just feel like i dont kill as much with it

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might be crazy tho

lapis violet
plucky flax
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1k kills 700k damage in 27 mins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz7L0QuU6Us

My fingers hurt from doing blitz cancel. D:
Yes weapon customisation mod still screws up the vfx. :c
Patch 1.2.22
Magistrati Oubliette TM8-707 Ā· Assassination Ā· Damnation Ā· Hi-Intensity Shock Troop & Mutants Gauntlet (Hunting Grounds) (Cooldowns Reduced)
Loadout: MK IV Duelling Sword / Smite / Force Surge Staff

00:00 Build
01:25 Game Starts

ā–¶ Play video
eager token
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that’s prob the key or i’m charging it too long

lapis violet
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what's the dump stat for surge staffs?

plucky flax
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You don't need to do cancel tech it's just for memes.

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No dump stat get everything high.

eager token
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quick way to get me some carpal tunnel

lapis violet
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what do i want the lowest, realistically

plucky flax
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Well you don't need to do it. It's only marginal dps increase.

eager token
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word

plucky flax
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Charge rate has the smallest scaling so that can be the lowest stat.

eager token
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what’s the optimal charge time

plucky flax
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But still high is better as it's a damage stat.

eager token
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should i be full charging surge every hit

plucky flax
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Not if you know the enemy has low hp.

eager token
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hp bar mod intensifies

plucky flax
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HP bar mod is very nice for surge indeed.

lapis violet
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the machine-god is most generous, siblings

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hadron said it herself

eager token
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i’ll give it another go tonight

little rapids
lapis violet
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perks are iffy and i wouldn't have been mad if instead of warp flurry i had gotten soul blaze instead but i like flurry, too

plucky flax
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Change both perks to flak and maniac.

lapis violet
eager token
radiant frigate
lapis violet
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in which case it's a nigh-godroll

plucky flax
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There is not.

wheat seal
eager token
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once again

wheat seal
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all staff are good ahah

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but for hard carry I'm playing assail

radiant frigate
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all stick good (but hate purg)

eager token
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i never liked assail tbh

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i do want to play with more scriers gaze tho

wheat seal
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with assail you kill everyone without even seeing them

wheat seal
eager token
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scriers gaze surge smite possible

radiant frigate
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yes but why

eager token
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for fun whatthefuck_heresy

wheat seal
eager token
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vacuum up that ammo sibling

radiant frigate
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perilous combustion with no other sources of soulblaze does like nothing

wheat seal
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I'm hoping for an update where we can convert resources

little rapids
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the diamantine plasteel system makes zero sense

wheat seal
little rapids
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you can argue the crafting grind is intentional whatever

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what i mean is that you end up needing plasteel not diamantine

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but they serve the same purpose

wheat seal
little rapids
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so why is there even 2 resources

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just to make it look varied

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it ends up just being a plasteel grind

wheat seal
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convert system 2024 maybe ^^

lapis violet
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back when i was starting out, i was so hyped whenever i saw diamantine. it's in the name, diamant-diamond. rare stuff. now i'm a plasteel addict.

radiant frigate
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petition to add the option to entirely unlock weapon stats with diamantine

upper sun
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they didnt realize that they suck at balancing and everything bricks at purple unless it has 2 good things

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out of 30

little rapids
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oh so the rate at which you use them and gain them is equal if you play the game as intended

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i guess thats better

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still i would never create two currencies used for the same thing

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imagine if you had to pay brunt ordo dockets and arbitrary paper bills and you got both from missions

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it makes no sense

modern spruce
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is Fatshark ever going to fix the fucking assail & enhanced blitz interaction? ffs

upper sun
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no you only get +2 shards thats it fuck you

mighty cipher
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Was it 350 or 360 that gives you a chance at IVs on first blessing?

upper sun
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more number = more better

modern spruce
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+2 but once you use them they're GONE

mighty cipher
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No fucken duh

radiant frigate
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what does enhanced blitz even do

upper sun
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gives more grenades and makes them stronger i think

radiant frigate
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what about zappy hands and headsplosion

upper sun
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makes scabs sad before their heads explode

modern spruce
radiant frigate
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ah, so it does nothing

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got it

spice veldt
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assail still does get -50% peril at least

modern spruce
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For brain rupture and assail no. I guess it matters when min/maxing biolightning with charged pushes

dawn spoke
radiant frigate
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over an entire mission

dawn spoke
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auric damn?

wet belfry
upper sun
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damn nice

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i only ever get one of those on each surge staff i roll

radiant frigate
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makes me wonder what my surge had

wet belfry
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Likely the first 380 i actually ever got in this game.

upper sun
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i hate getting diamantine for weeklies because people now refuse to pick it up

wet belfry
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Its existed nearly since the launch of darktide.

upper sun
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i got plenty they just all brick

signal cave
silent coral
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What gives more value stacking finesse or damage? Like is precognition worth it on dueling sword?

upper sun
signal cave
signal cave
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No naruto??

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Aquaintance...

upper sun
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yes

signal cave
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Bru'.....h??

silent coral
upper sun
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remember to quell

signal cave
lapis violet
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i've got 2 more points. what do i change, what do i add?

upper sun
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the 10% chance to quell is not really that good

lapis violet
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it's saved me a couple times. feels like i owe it a spot

rigid sky
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Soulsteal is really good

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you shouldn't need battle meditation with venting shriek imo

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perilous combustion is really good

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warp rider and kinetic deflection

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going without any of those is feels bad man territory

upper sun
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perfect timing is kinda nice

rigid sky
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is it the fire shriek you have?

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or did you take the poopy direct damage one

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I can't remember which one is which

spice veldt
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what warp charges does to a mf

lapis violet
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i have the damage one

rigid sky
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direct damage shriek is awful

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soulblaze one is god tier

plucky flax
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Bruh moment.

lapis violet
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the thought behind it was that i'm not doing fire this build, just smite and lightning

radiant frigate
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Yes

rigid sky
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it diminishes with distance from what I remember

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soulblaze just does outright more damage

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don't worry about thematics so much

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it's just better damage

upper sun
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the logic behind it is that burst damage is better but keep in mind vent is also a knockdown

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so they will take the dps while on the ground

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idk theyre both fine imo

lapis violet
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it doesn't feel bad, especially with how smite damages smalls a little and shriek can finish them off

radiant frigate
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legitimately

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it is just higher damage

lapis violet
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changed it still. good to know the numbers are better

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not exactly sure i need kinetic deflection. i don't tend to get into situations where i need to block all that much

upper sun
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:((((((((((((((((((((( im so over this bros......

lapis violet
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and if i do, i have the samina/other stuff to get out of that situation

lapis violet
#

illisi

upper sun
#

illisi is love

dim parrot
#

illisi is life

rich jolt
#

Thats a caxe right?

lapis violet
rich jolt
#

I forget weapon names all the time

rich jolt
#

Well if you take the bullet blocking blessing it is very much worth it

#

You can hold off multiple gunners at the same time

upper sun
#

deflector is really nice

lapis violet
#

the tree broke

rich jolt
#

What do you mean the tree brokestaregryn

lapis violet
#

i have to do it all again ;-;

rich jolt
#

L

upper sun
#

for some reason the game keeps giving me 380-370 illisis

upper sun
lapis violet
#

i did, long long ago, and it hasn't fixed itself

rich jolt
#

You have to go and replace whatever took its slot automatically on sell

#

Then itll stop

lapis violet
#

i think i have a total of maybe 10 loadouts saved and only like 2 are ok

upper sun
#

I have 3 one is ok

lapis violet
#

it's fixed. one of the relics was broken

#

should i keep "unlucky for some" or "one with warp"

rich jolt
#

What does the second one do

lapis violet
#

(i am not doing telekine shield. miss me with that)

rich jolt
#

Take one with warp

upper sun
#

one with the warp is great

rich jolt
#

Thank you for agreeing with me my ego grows larger

lapis violet
#

one with warp seems so good for how unlucky i seem to be getting in terms of teammates

#

true servitors it seems

upper sun
#

man how often do you want your tream to get knocked down?

lapis violet
#

it's not that i want them to get knocked down, it's that they do

#

and when they do, i get toughness back and am able to take down things

rich jolt
#

Get better teammatesthumbsup_ogryn

upper sun
#

Yeah but if you have more toughness you can do more in general

upper sun
#

do t1s have any amount of diamantine?

#

I just need 5 :'(((((

lapis violet
#

anyone ever had an orange exclamation mark?

lapis violet
rich jolt
lapis violet
#

t2s are better. more money all around and less boring

upper sun
#

i was helping a friend level today i had enough fun carrying

spice veldt
#

sedition has 0 diamantine

upper sun
#

i just wanna turn off my brain and do weeklies

spice veldt
#

uprising has 40

upper sun
#

ill do t2 then

lapis violet
#

rolled a good surge staff, wish me luck with a voidstrike one

upper sun
#

ill pray4u

#

i bricked so many voids i have ptsd

lapis violet
#

2 in a row were 306

#

it's joever

upper sun
#

nah camping the store is better

#

this is how i got my illisi collection

#

i have so many i bricked one for fun

lapis violet
#

just looking for double balls as blessing

upper sun
grim inlet
#

I saw a psyker with purgatus staff doing the one click flame burst like really fast. Like 5 times a second almost. Is that from a blessing? Because when I do the single left click attack it's like a long winded single burst and can only do it once a second.

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To be fair I haven't really experimented with purgatus that much so idk

eager token
#

prob a quell cancel

lyric burrow
#

quell cancel likely

grim inlet
#

So it that just left mouse click, quell, left mouse click, really fast?

lyric burrow
#

p much

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there is a timing to it but thats the idea

grim inlet
#

Gotcha. I'll try it out in meat grinder. Thanks for the replies yall

paper loom
#

Why is columnus so much better than every other gun?

upper sun
#

why cant we dual wield staves yet?

paper loom
#

I've been using the burst HH with auto mod and it feels weak compared

#

You would think slow rate of hire = hit like truck

lyric burrow
#

the HH guns are good but they rely entirely on headshots and the maniac damage is low

#

but they can put out some pretty good boss damage thanks to the finesse

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esp on psyker you can make good use of the finesse stuff with vraks 3

#

vet too most likely

grim inlet
upper sun
#

one surge one purg

wind spruce
rigid sky
lyric burrow
#

yeah that would be nice

rigid sky
#

Is Agri similar to Vraks in terms of it's relative armour effectiveness?

fallen yacht
#

are purgatus staff stats similar to zealot flamer? where damage doesnt mean much but the important stats are cloud radius and burn?

lyric burrow
#

yeah same thing

rigid sky
#

Better blessings though

#

And peril is friendlier than ammo for hordeclear

fallen yacht
#

getting to lv 30 on my psyker as we speak, thanks for the advice

rigid sky
#

And no annoying draw time issue

#

I gotta say though I think purgatus is weaker than it was pre patch 13

#

Way too many points to invest for me to enjoy it as much now

#

Still good though

white wolf
#

sire melk and his tacaxe of gaslighting you

#

you should wait to swing. but also always be swinging

rigid sky
#

Either swing once or at least 3 times

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2 is death

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Or better yet

#

Swing it directly

#

Into the trash

white wolf
#

yeah the best option would be to just brain burst melk where he stands on your way to the mission terminal

#

but they haven't added that yet

mighty fractal
#

You want 76% burn for max stacks (15)

#

I’d say Zealot Flamer is overall a stronger weapon, but a lot of that is due to the class itself

radiant frigate
mighty fractal
#

Zealot has more frontline durability, and using Chastise lets Zealot ā€˜downgrade’ the enemy’s armor to the next tier

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so zealot flamer is actually pretty amazing at handling crusher and mauler patrols, as well as boss damage. Also, Zealot can somewhat cover the flamer’s ranged weakness by running throwing knives

upper sun
mighty fractal
#

Purg still has good horde clear and has the big benefit of not requiring ammo, but its weak against armored targets due to the lack of the Zealot’s anti-armor capabilities (unless you run a melee weapon on psyker with Rending, in which case you can light a target and then swap to the melee to build Uncanny stacks)

#

But that melee swap play style requires more micromanagement than most players are willing to put up with

#

The other problem is that Purgatus competes with even better horde clear staves in the Psyker’s kit (Trauma and Voidstrike). These two staves are also much better at handling armor

#

And Voidstrike has decent boss damage to boot

#

Assail and Brain Burst can cover for the Purg’s short range, but Brain Burst is inefficient at best in all but the most niche situations (like securing kills on fleeing targets)

radiant frigate
#

voidstrike my beloved

long wharf
#

void does something no other staff can do

#

it can stagger-lock bosses

mighty fractal
#

And Assail means you give up Pyskinetic’s Aura, which is one of the strongest standalone talents in the game

fallen yacht
#

i have noticed that with leveling using a voidstrike

#

the stagger is insane

mighty fractal
#

The biggest thing

#

Is that Trauma and Void are so satisfying to use

#

Their sound design and explosion visuals pack so much oomph

long wharf
mighty fractal
#

Yeah it’s definitely not a necessary talent

rigid sky
#

Purgatus feels like a garden hose

long wharf
#

a firehose of soulblazing warpfire

rigid sky
mighty fractal
#

But it’s especially nice for Purg because one of Purg’s strengths is that it has natural synergy with Shriek

#

Purg bubble is funny

long wharf
fallen yacht
#

speaking of voidstrike, thanks brunt

rigid sky
#

If you are gonna use bubble I wouldn't with Purgatus

mighty fractal
#

But it was much better when Warp Charges were bugged and you could create a network of bubbles throughout the entire arena

long wharf
upper sun
#

void is a bad staff because I have never owned one above 360

radiant frigate
#

you just spray and then sometime something dies

fallen yacht
#

oh i am well aware

long wharf
#

get a servitor to lube it right up

#

Hadron won't

rigid sky
#

I only bubble with Trauma

fallen yacht
#

it took me nearly 100k platsteel to get Thrust for thunder hammers

#

i am ready

mighty fractal
#

I really want to like purg, but yeah it’s just not as satisfying or as useful as trauma or void

fallen yacht
#

not great not terrible

mighty fractal
#

It’s just easier to build a good one and easier to play it

mighty fractal
long wharf
mighty fractal
#

Trauma has good synergy with Shriek

fallen yacht
#

i like the secondary fire

long wharf
#

well, yes

upper sun
long wharf
#

but do you want to go nexus/surge or flurry/surge?

mighty fractal
#

because Shriek makes trauma’s high peril build tolerable, and it offers additional soulblaze stacks

long wharf
#

or flurry/transfer

fallen yacht
#

just hit level 30 on my psyker so now im actually looking at builds

mighty fractal
#

But trauma bubble lets me safely nuke hordes or gunner nests without worry

#

Plus Bubble has lots of neat utility that helps the team, like completely shutting off entire gunner and shotgunner hordes or nullifying flamers and trappers

upper sun
rigid sky
mighty fractal
long wharf
#

doesn't mean we don't have wants and desires

#

Hadron just doesn't give a shit

rigid sky
#

Lovely way to break through a chokepoint

#

6s is a lot of brain bursts with both of the speed boosts

upper sun
#

letting go of wants and desires is the first step to becoming a tech priest girlie is just recruiting

mighty fractal
#

Bubble also does this weird thing where mutants will collide with the center

long wharf
#

bubble can also shut down BoN entirely

fallen yacht
#

I had a friend use + crit chance based on peril and reduced secondary cast time

mighty fractal
long wharf
#

I prefer nexus+surge

mighty fractal
#

and it’s useful

mighty fractal
rigid sky
#

Three main paths with Voidstrike

#

Flurry/transfer for spammy

#

And SG

mighty fractal
#

Next time a mutant charges into your bubble, check to see if they slam into the center of the bubble as if they hit a solid wall

rigid sky
#

Flurry/nexus for indecisive fuckers

long wharf
#

no, SG really isn't for void

rigid sky
#

And nexus/surge for elite nuking

rigid sky
mighty fractal
#

It’s as if Mutant charges have projectiles at the end of their hitbox ir something lol

rigid sky
#

Never tried it

fallen yacht
#

SG?

long wharf
#

who?

mighty fractal
#

idk if dogs interact with the bubble the same way

rigid sky
#

But it sounds hilarious

long wharf
#

SG = Scrier's Gaze

radiant frigate
#

surge/blazing spirit, path IV

fallen yacht
#

gotcha

mighty fractal
#

But I was reviving an ogryn yesterday, and a dog straight-up jumped over my tiny psyker

rigid sky
#

Scrier's Gaze, which is only for the insane and for gunkers

#

(But I repeat myself)

fallen yacht
#

ive been using bubble mostly

long wharf
mighty fractal
#

Like I was standing completely still and the dog sailed over me

long wharf
#

same problem as Illisi with blazing spirit

mighty fractal
#

I wish I had saved a clip

radiant frigate
#

blast radius though, no?

mighty fractal
#

SG purg is kiiiind of a thing

long wharf
#

blast radius is the dump stat for void

rigid sky
#

For real though don't bother with SG outside of guns unless you just want to do something crazy

long wharf
mighty fractal
#

I wish big boom blaze Voidstrike were a build Sitgryn

radiant frigate
#

yeah but I'm saying it would apply to the entire blast

#

or am i wrong

long wharf
#

I'm not actually sure

mighty fractal
long wharf
#

you'd think so, but the blast radius is already so small, that it wouldn't really matter

mighty fractal
#

But it’s pretty much Shriek or bust with purg

rigid sky
#

That's what differentiates it from trauma with bubble

#

Trauma is cc

#

Purgatus loses damage to do CC

#

So yeah, as you say

mighty fractal
#

Yeah that’s why the old conga line of bubbles was actually nice with purg

rigid sky
#

Purgatus needs shriek

mighty fractal
#

You could create a tunnel of bubbles to essentially walk up to gunners and burn them all

#

It was very funny, even if shriek was still better

#

I just want a new staff or two maaan

long wharf
#

I want staff specials replaced with something actually useful

mighty fractal
#

Give us molten beam staff

long wharf
#

and I want staves to share blessings

mighty fractal
#

Yes to both of these things

#

Most of the funny melee special attacks on ranged weapons are actually somewhat useful

#

Or very useful on mk 1 and 2 Helbores

#

The staff bonks are just there to be funny

rigid sky
#

Can you push a poxburster over with it at least?

mighty fractal
#

I don’t think so, not sure lol

rigid sky
#

Jfc

mighty fractal
#

I don’t even think it reaches that far

#

But it might

rigid sky
#

At least gun bashes usually can

#

Can shove one with a stubber for instance

#

Without needing to swap

mighty fractal
#

I killed a Bulwark with a staff bonk the other day

long wharf
#

aw, streamable dropped my video of my psyker with a force glaive

long wharf
#

let me reupload it

mighty fractal
#

That’s how much I hate em

rigid sky
#

Unless you used Kinetic flayer

#

Or whatever it is now

mighty fractal
#

Force glaive and force dagger when FS

rigid sky
#

Force shovel

long wharf
mighty fractal
#

Force rock

rigid sky
#

Force rokk

mighty fractal
#

Oh wait that’s just assail

long wharf
#

yep

rigid sky
#

Shared ogryn brain cell engage

long wharf
#

though the code calls them daggers

#

throwing knives

mighty fractal
#

In the tabletop RPG, Assail is literally throwing rocks and other junk

rigid sky
mighty fractal
#

Oh yeah I remember assail got datamined WAAAY back in beta, and it was called force knives

rigid sky
long wharf
#

I like assail as we got it

rigid sky
#

Some weirdass dark psyker thing that blows you up very fast

rigid sky
#

Somebody posted about it on reddit a while ago

mighty fractal
#

Bubble was also in the code as a staff iirc

rigid sky
mighty fractal
#

Yeah that would have been awful lol

#

Unless the bubble dealt damage or something

#

Which would have been very dumb

#

It was just a placeholder line of code though iirc

#

No damage values or anything

long wharf
#

a staff that lays down a bubble that fills with a warpfire storm

#

I'd use it

mighty fractal
#

I’d use it too

#

It’d have to be heavily nerfed from VT though

#

Because that shit is busted there

#

Give me a life leech staff with a chaining soul drain beam that restores toughness mhmm

mighty fractal
rigid sky
#

The whole top of tree does that

mighty fractal
#

Yeah I think the top of the tree is supposed to represent the Life Leech Biomancy spells

static needle
#

Suggestions for blessings change?

long wharf
#

swap both blessings

rigid sky
long wharf
#

you want hand cannon and crucian roulette

mighty fractal
rigid sky
#

If you do Zarona, take Surgical over Crucian

static needle
#

how many shots for this thing to kill crusher?

long wharf
#

with the right blessings and both shots criting? two.

rigid sky
static needle
#

with DD

rigid sky
#

Since SG, warp rider, DD changes shit

long wharf
#

with DD+SG, you'd have to test it yourself

rigid sky
#

I doubt you could get to 1shot range

#

Idk if you can with zarona even

long wharf
#

not with the Agrippina, anyways

#

you can with the Zarona

mighty fractal
#

Too bad Sienna’s soul stealer staff in VT is literally just a better brain burst

#

I mean, it’s cool for that game

static needle
#

very situational tho

mighty fractal
#

But that’s what I’d like a life leech staff to be

rigid sky
#

"I cast Fuck Right Off"

mighty fractal
#

I can’t find compilation footage of the other Sienna stages turning green when used on necro

long wharf
#

"I cast Lead Poisoning"

mighty fractal
#

Maybe on my break

lyric burrow
#

i should try VT2 more someday

#

it just felt very hard to go back now that im so used to DTs gameplay

mighty fractal
#

Yeah it’s hard to go back to a game with inferior movement

#

And I have nearly 3k hours in that game playing twitch cata and modded

long wharf
#

I have no desire to play a fantasy version of Darktide

mighty fractal
#

It’s okay, 40k is basically Fantasy anyway šŸ™‚

long wharf
#

it's science fiction

mighty fractal
#

I’m a sucker for Warhammer Fantasy

#

It’s sci-fi, but in the way Star Wars is scifi

long wharf
#

Star Wars is Sci-Fi Fantasy

mighty fractal
#

As opposed to hard scifi like Battletech or old Gundam

#

Yeah basically

long wharf
#

I don't think Gundam ever qualified as hard sci-fi

#

the best example of hard sci-fi right now would be the show The Expanse

mighty fractal
#

Gundam 1979 had psychic powers with the Newtypes, but otherwise it was basically space opera

#

There’s definitely harder scifi out there for sure

long wharf
#

"psychic powers" automatically precludes it from being hard sci-fi

mighty fractal
#

True Sitgryn

#

Newtypes were always a funny addition anyway, since it happens very late into the original show and it comes out of left field

#

What was Tomino thinking…

long wharf
#

I never got into Gundam

mighty fractal
#

He is a mysterious man

#

I’m not a super huge gundam head

#

I’ve only really watched 79, Zeta, and some of Wing

#

It a series of vastly varying quality

static needle
#

Can point blank actually be better than crucian roullete for crit chance?

long wharf
#

point blank relies on melee kills and then immediately switching and shooting

static needle
#

i think...

static needle
#

i mean, im using agripiina revolver

#

dunno if crucian really is the way to go. its way better for crushers without it

long wharf
#

it's not only much harder than you think, but if you're doing any sort of aiming, it's really not reliable

static needle
long wharf
#

the Agripinaa is firing multiple shots with the special

#

at least, you should be rapid firing the special, that's the whole point of the gun

#

with a ramping crit chance from crucian roulette

static needle
#

does that have to mean that aiming it is bad? you can still one shot gunners and stuff

long wharf
#

I mean, you don't have to aim

static needle
#

When i say "aim" im referring to picking off targets with it rather than fanfiring all the time

#

it also seems like a very ammo inefficient

long wharf
#

if that's how you want to use it, you're better off with the Zarona revolver

static needle
#

its got the ammo capacity of a bolter and 3/5 of the dmg

long wharf
#

Zarona has better accuracy, range, and piercing

static needle
#

have tried many times in auric

#

it doesnt hold up

long wharf
#

revolver isn't the best choice for gunker

#

doesn't mean you can't have fun with it

static needle
#

i do think that the agrii will hold up better for psyker in generall cause of a far better reload speed

long wharf
#

the Agripinaa is an inferior gun

#

for basically everyone but the veteran

urban sandal
#

zarona is easily the best gun in the game bar plasma

long wharf
#

it's a true Hand Cannon

stable halo
#

What's the hive mind's opinion on blessings for surge?

long wharf
#

there is no hive mind here, sibling

wet belfry
#

Warp nexus, warp flurry.

wet belfry
long wharf
#

and damage isn't dump stat for surge

wet belfry
#

You must be assimilated.

long wharf
#

nein

stable halo
# long wharf the Agripinaa is an inferior gun

running primarily assail shards with the agrii as my backup and I'm definitely using it more and to greater effect than when I ran the other revolver. The reload speed is a big difference in practice

long wharf
#

if you can aim, the Zarona will kill faster

#

like I said, better accuracy and range

#

and it'll pierce

stable halo
#

Shards overhead solve distance issues, I specifically need something to dump damage quickly while dodging

long wharf
#

that's not what the revolvers are really for

#

definitely not what Zarona is for

static needle
# long wharf for basically everyone but the veteran

what are these takes?? it cant hold up in auric for psyker cause of a shit reload. You NEED those fast reloads to make gunpsyker do its job. It might be good on zealot cause he is chunky with lots of toughness talents to be able to reload and tank a hit or 2, or veteran because of lots of synergies in the talent tree. For psyker its just not cannot hold up in auric hi shock.

long wharf
#

running assail+revolver mandates a horde sword

stable halo
#

That's really what I'm using it for, and it works for my build better than the zarona, after having tried both for an extended period of time.

long wharf
stable halo
#

My sword is Deimos

static needle
long wharf
#

you're using the agripinaa for the horde?

stable halo
#

No shards + deimos for horde

static needle
#

try it

#

its pretty good

long wharf
#

it's not as good as Illisi with slaughterer on the horde

static needle
#

then again

stable halo
#

dump shard, slice slice slice stab, dodge back, shards, dodge in, slice slice slice stab

long wharf
#

but you do you

static needle
#

you cant destroy ogryns or bosses with illisi

static needle
long wharf
#

true

stable halo
#

Deimos heavy attack lets me 3 shot crushers

long wharf
#

but you can destroy ogryns with Zarona revolver

static needle
long wharf
#

frankly, you using a revolver for the horde boggles my mind

#

consider me boggled.

static needle
#

boggle up boi

static needle
long wharf
#

and the Zarona does that better than the Agripinaa

wet belfry
#

Are you just stacking damage modifers like disrupt destiny, scriers gaze to deal damage with melee?

#

Becuase ye that is going to turn deimos into a good horde clear.

static needle
#

by the time the zarona has one bullet in the chamber ive already reloaded the agripiina

#

pretty much

static needle
stable halo
#

One sec

static needle
#

@long wharf Dont get me wrong, i would use Zarona any day of the week if the reload wasnt super bad

scarlet timber
#

behond the new game breaking bug from our shield psykers!

static needle
#

but i need something more snappy

scarlet timber
static needle
wet belfry
#

I have a slightly hard time though seeing the angry-peanut revolver being meta viable

long wharf
wet belfry
#

Only thing notable about it would likely be its unyielding damage.

scarlet timber
#

my gpu is 6900xt

long wharf
#

might want to let it cool down fully

static needle
long wharf
#

check the temps while in-game

scarlet timber
#

sibliing and i run tekken 8 which was released 2 weeks ago

#

just fine

#

so no its this frekaign game XD

long wharf
#

I don't have the time to teach you about computer hardware and GPU malfunction symptoms

#

so, enjoy

#

the Warp calls, sibling

scarlet timber
#

no fatshark hasnt updted their amd

#

drivers clearly

#

ever since i updated mine

long wharf
#

Fatshark doesn't make AMD drivers

scarlet timber
#

this shit been happening

#

for like 2 week now

static needle
long wharf
#

yeah, anyways

stable halo
long wharf
stable halo
static needle
#

dafuk

stable halo
static needle
#

šŸ’€

#

no DD

stable halo
#

I don't care that DD is better than warp charges, warp charges lets me assail more

long wharf
#

you aren't using Warp Siphon, though

#

you're using EP

#

which Assail does benefit from

static needle
#

how about ur curios?

static needle
stable halo
sullen sphinx
#

Yea, EP is more safe and consistent choice if you don't want to deal with DD jank

long wharf
#

I prefer EP for assail

long wharf
#

really dislike DD's current issues

stable halo
#

on high levels, the EP warp charges are proccing every time I kill an elites, so I can frequently just flood a new room with shards and wipe everything that isn't a bulwark or crusher.

wind spruce
#

@plucky flax OUTDAMAGED NOOB

long wharf
wind spruce
#

(inb4 you say only 20k, I joined 1/3 through)

stable halo
#

I'm usually top 1-2 on damage for the lobby on Auric maelstrom

wind spruce
#

Void assail w/ warp charges, no surge

static needle
sullen sphinx
#

Psyker's kits can dish out a lot of damage

stable halo
#

Free shards with extra damage

#

doesn't cost a charge, doesn't cost peril

sullen sphinx
#

Great for gunner cleanups

stable halo
#

Feels good to go "I've got a solution to this one ogryn, stand back" and then wipe the room in 5 seconds

static needle
long wharf
#

as long as you like using DD, that's fine

#

it's very understandable to not like DD, especially in a competent group

static needle
#

no problem with it at all as long as ive got assail and as long as it decides to work

long wharf
#

where everyone is killing things, and you frequently aren't getting to kill your DD target

elder glade
#

You just need to hit the DD target for it to refresh it

static needle
#

thats kinda a skill issue tho no? just throw an assail at a lesser target and boom, 3 stacks

static needle
wind spruce
#

Great minds

stable halo
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Yeah I found it hard to keep DD up because it moved my target priority from what was actually dangerous

half iron
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i see a blue man and i stop everything i’m doing to assail them specifically

long wharf
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or the DD target switching on you as you engage the old one

stable halo
static needle
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very understandable that one can find DD annoying in this way tho

stable halo
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Probably solveable with more time in the DD build, but I can't be bothered when I'm pulling my weight consistently

static needle
elder glade
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Getting back the stacks isn't too bad either since headshots are pretty easy to nail. Getting 3 stacks in one go is pretty nice. Though, I definitely understand why you'd go with EP

wind spruce
stable halo
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And I'm treating shards as my primary weapon, so having more of the resource is always preferable

static needle
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i think DD is kinda fun tbh

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its satisfying

long wharf
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EP lets you use assail for longer periods

static needle
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only assail just gets boring xddd

long wharf
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not to me, I love it

stable halo
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Sorry what were we saying was the blessing preference for Surge staffs?

long wharf
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warp nexus + warp flurry

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surge staff only has 4 t4 options

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and the other two are objectively terrible

stable halo
long wharf
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you want +flak

stable halo
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shame about the damage

long wharf
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yeah

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swap ranged damage for +flak

static needle
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This is what im running for new revolver atm:

wind spruce
rich jolt
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Revolver is fun on psyker

vocal cliff
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Only class that gave me a lot of good roll revolvers

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Never used em

rich jolt
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Pair mine with brainburst and empowered psionics so i can immediately evaporate any annoyance

vocal cliff
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Gmod disintegration sfx

wind spruce