psyker-class

[lyric burrow]

assail does work in terms of letting me be more aggro

[austere crest]

how would that look?

[grizzled hearth]

lower the range on the chaining and you'd go a long way to making smite less aggravating to play with (as the non-smyker)

[lyric burrow]

just make smite have like a shotgun type blast

doesnt even have to be smite

[spice veldt]

for me the LMB would be the lightning punch with something that's appealing (either some CC/damage), and the RMB is a more interesting, lower range, shorter stun

[grizzled hearth]

that way you'd have a safe zone, but not stop enemies from getting anywhere close

[spice veldt]

and these two modes of fire would have incentive for you to use in the normal flow of combat

instead of being relegated to being only used for massive densities of enemies or elite packs or whatnot

[grizzled hearth]

make LMB the Zeus from Counter Strike

[spice veldt]

boop enemies to make them drop to the ground

[grizzled hearth]

honestly, if it launched an enemy and that enemy knocked down others like mutants and dogs do that'd be funny

launch a crusher backwards to cc the horde

[near drift]

throwin a thousand shock punches into a crushers gut like it's senator armstrong

[grizzled hearth]

Blaze Force Brass Knuckles when fatshark

[spice veldt]

ogryns would be in shambles if we get brass knuckles first

[dim parrot]

true

do it anyway

or everyone gets knuckles

[grizzled hearth]

I just want a blaze force hammer, is that too much to ask for?

[dim parrot]

we just get a different kind

[shy pewter]

I have never fired a bullet on my psyker in 100 rounds but I wanna try gun psyker. Any favorite guns/build?

CIAG?

[buoyant maple]

What perks & blessings should I look for on a trauma staff?

[urban sandal]

rending shockwave/warp flurry or blazing spirit/warp nexus for blessings depending on which way you want to go about it

blazing trauma takes flak and crit chance, rending trauma takes flak and whatever else, usually maniac, cara or elites

[grizzled hearth]

MV Columnus will shred most things

take the talent that guarantees a crit every 5 headshots

[buoyant maple]

Surge and transfer peril are really bad then I’d assume

[urban sandal]

yeah

[shy pewter]

transfer peril doesnt even work (unless they patched it) since it hits body not weakspot

[shy pewter]

ok thanks

[buoyant maple]

Left click

[shy pewter]

Lol ya I suppose so

[urban sandal]

yeah both of those blessings only affect the primary fire on the trauma

[shy pewter]

Somehow I almost always forget about primary fire on the staves unless its purg lol

[grizzled hearth]

High RoF recon lasgun is fun with the burn blessing, but Columnus is better tbh

[shy pewter]

Its just the occasional sniper that I toss it out on

[shy pewter]

is recon somehow passable on the psyker or is it just as shit as on the vet?

[grizzled hearth]

it's shit, but it's fun

[shy pewter]

I would love to do some recon burning if it is actually decent performing

[grizzled hearth]

I run assail with disrupt destiny, so that does a lot of the heavy lifting

recon for bosses and elites other than crushers

[shy pewter]

Interesting, I'm gonna remember that to try later

For now, wish me luck 🤞

[grizzled hearth]

that's a good base

[shy pewter]

Damn I was hoping orange would save it. Should I keep terrifying and do Flak/Dumdum or change both blessings?

[grizzled hearth]

I'd say keep speedload and go flak/dumdum

[shy pewter]

Hmm yeah I like the sound of that

I'm a weirdo who actually likes using Terrifying Barrage but I can definitely see Speedload being nice here actually

[grizzled hearth]

things die when you have bullets, so speedload is nice since you have no reload talents as psyker

[shy pewter]

Badass. Thanks for all the input

[grizzled hearth]

I'd say assail hordes, and gun down ragers and the like

saves ammo

[shy pewter]

nice, and that leaves me capable of bringing ST melee like mk4 DS for crushers

[spice veldt]

you could farm true aim stacks with the DS and then throw a shard when you've got stacks

[grizzled hearth]

I just do double quick shard, then aim

helps me not blow myself up with that rythmn

[shy pewter]

Is perilous combustion just as good as always or is it not worth investing in

[grizzled hearth]

honestly, it's nice

[spice veldt]

i sometimes run out of shards so farming true aim stacks has become a part of how i use assail now

i consider PC to be a cheap investment for something that doesn't have as much of a benefit if you're already curbstomping but is appreciable if there's a dense special/elite pack and that soulblaze starts rumbling the things around

[urban sandal]

helps with big groups of elites and witling down enemies

[spice veldt]

if you're not running some mass group CC like trauma/smite, then it's nice when paired with an uncanny strike melee to tick down crusher packs

[lyric burrow]

if you can get it going on a elite patrol its pretty insane

[shy pewter]

Yeah this is for a CIAG psyker so looking to bring my mk4 DS with uncanny

[lyric burrow]

yeah its good in that case

[grizzled hearth]

assail and perilous combustion remove any semblance of difficulty from hunting grounds

it's kinda funny

[urban sandal]

tbf so does smite

[flint aspen]

finally completed warp battery, what a pain in the ass

[spice veldt]

should've time traveled before patch 13 to do warp battery

just that shrimple

[flint aspen]

also completed cliffhanger by sheer accident

[shy pewter]

Is a lot harder post patch 13 now?

[dim parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-as-that-clash-royale-hee-hee-hee-haw-gif-25054781

[grizzled hearth]

I assure you, a shrimp cannot fry rice

[urban sandal]

you have to keep killing elites/specialists now

used to just have to brain burst any enemy

[shy pewter]

Ah yeah gotcha

[grizzled hearth]

lmao, just get lucky on the 4% chance on random horde enemis

ezpz

[flint aspen]

isn't warp battery basically "hold max stacks for 5 minutes"

[shy pewter]

Yeah

[grizzled hearth]

"don't use your ult for 5 minutes"

[shy pewter]

Oh I guess that also means not using your ability for 5 minutes

lol yeah

[hexed geyser]

And don't find elevators. And hope your team won't kill randoms bombers and dogs you needed

[austere crest]

it really helps to use purge and get the perk that gets warp from soulblaze, then unbind your ultimate for the round so u dont accidentally do it. This way u dont need to focus on specials so much, just keep everything on fire

[flint aspen]

I was about to say that until my PC bluescreened with it stuck at 0%

I love technology

[torpid girder]

iirc it's just in total throughout the match and not in a row at least

[stable halo]

https://youtu.be/heNeBhRpq7Y?si=427VWGIJNGUElNnO

[torpid girder]

I still have the clip of when I first completed warp battery 🥹

[flint aspen]

I still can't be assed enough to do 90% brain burst against a boss however

[spice veldt]

LMAO

truly a great end to warp battery

[flint aspen]

you completed it the moment a daemonhost is going to whoop your ass

[spice veldt]

(they brainbursted the daemonhost)

[torpid girder]

"Congrats! Here's your prize"

[flint aspen]

man that bolter incident was still so horseshit to me

[torpid girder]

I SWEARRR my crosshair was on the bulwark 😭

[spice veldt]

yeah you even hear the noise close by and in the direction of the bulwark

[torpid girder]

yeppp i just couldn't believe it

[flint aspen]

tries to kite the plague ogryn as vet so I can magdump it with boltgun, even made sure we were on the upper floor covered in walls above the daemonhost

daemonhost wakes up anyway and beats me to death

[dim parrot]

its generally weird, how is it that teammates trigger dh and it targets u first even tho u didn't do shit?

[torpid girder]

If you're the very first one it targets it means ur the one who triggered it

[dim parrot]

I know

but it has happened two times, where I was nowhere near it lol

[torpid girder]

U must have either damaged it or like thrown a grenade/shot near it or somethinggg idk :)

[flint aspen]

the daemonhost was nowhere near between me and the plague ogryn

I even made sure my bolter shots didn't make him a london citizen

[cold ivy]

i hear that if an enemy is targeting you but the demonhost is in the way and it blocks their attack, the DH will behave as if you were the one who triggered it

not 100% sure if that's a thing though

[long wharf]

I don't think enemy fire triggers the demonhost

as much sense as that would make

[shy pewter]

I'm pretty sure normal fire doesnt at any rate. Perhaps a sniper shot? I cant recall if I've seen that or not

[flint aspen]

lol imagine the daemonhost just whooping a reaper who's firing too close at it

[long wharf]

that's what should happen, but doesn't

[shy pewter]

Is Anticipation still broken or did it get patched?

the dodging talent next to evasion

[spice veldt]

it's not quite broken

just that it does less than you would hope

yeah enemies can deal friendly fire and the daemonhost has a health threshold after which it will wake up no matter what

[slow cloak]

is this good?

[lyric burrow]

decvent

good blessings

flak is good swap cara

to maniac

[cold geode]

oof, these level 30 xbox players in auric maelstrom

[hearty narwhal]

! AND THE ANGEL OF THE LORD LED ME INTO THE BELLY OF THE HOLY MOTHER A CHAMBER BLACK AS PITCH BUT I FELT NO FEAR ONLY COMFORT BUT I WAS AS A CHILD IN THE WOMB AND SHE BADE ME PEER THROUGH THE YONDER PORTAL AND LOOKED UP THE HEAVENS AND BEHOLD A MORNING ANGLE SHE ASCENDED SLOWELY FROM FAR BELOW THE HORIZON HER LIGHT LIKE A HEAVANLY FINGER POINTED THE WAY AND ON YONDER WALL SHE TRACED FOR ME A PATH WHICH LED ME FIVE DIRECTIONS 8 THERE APEARED BEFORE ME A HEAVENLY STRAW A HOLY VIRGIN THE BRINING OF THE LIFE AND BREATH AND SHE SPOKE UNTO ME AND SHE SAID FEAR NOT THE MOVEMENT OF THE HEAVENS ABOVE OR THE EARTH BELOW FOR CHANGE IS WHAT WE ARE MY CHILD RIGHTOUS ARE THOSE WHO LOOK UP AND SWAY WITH THE WIND WHO LOOK DOWN AND DANCE WITH THE SHIFTING OF THE SOIL WHO SWIM WITH THE MOVEMENTS OF THE TIDES AND SEEK THE TRUTH AROUND THEM AND DISCOVER THAT WE ARE AND HAVE ALWAYS BEEN IN PARADISE THE REFLECTIONS OF HEAVEN ON EARTH KNOW MY CHILD THAT THERE IS NO DEVIL SEEKING TO CONQUORE THE HEARTS OF MAN NO EVIL SAY IGNORANCE FOR THE DEVASTATION LEFT IN THE WAKE OF CHANGE CHANGE MY CHILD CHANGE IS IN THE HEAVENS CHANGE IS WITHIN US CHANGE IS AROUND US CHANGE FOR WE ARE THESE CHANGES EYES WIDE OPEN WE MUST LOOK UPON THE HEAVENS WIDE AWAKE AND AWARE DEEPLY BREATHING AND WHEN THE SHIFT COMES DOWN MY CHILD YOU WILL BE THERE A TRUE AND HOLY SURVIVOR TO INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD YOU WILL RISE ABOVE THE CRUMBLES OF THE BOYOND REPAIR TO RISE TO A NEW DAY TO DRINK FROM THE SWEET FRUIT OF THE DIVINE THE WATER AND THE BLOOD OF THE NEW RISEN CHRIST MY CHILD GO NOW CHILD TELL THEM ALL THE BLIND OF DOGMA THE BLIND OF DOGMA THE DOUBTERS THE NAY SAYERS THEY CANNOT SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD THEY CANNOT DRINK FROM THE CHALLACE THAT CONTAINS THE BLOOD OF GOD UNTIL THEY GET RIGHT JESUS

[eager token]

​! (U ﹏ U) and the angew of the wowd wed me i-into the bewwy o-of the howy mothew a-a chambew bwack a-as pitch but i-i fewt nyo feaw o-onwy comfowt but i-i was as a chiwd i-in the womb and she bade me peew thwough the yondew powtaw and wooked up the h-heavens and behowd a mowning angwe she ascended s-swowewy fwom faw bewow the howizon h-hew wight wike a heavanwy fingew pointed the way and on yondew w-waww she twaced fow me a path w-which wed me five d-diwections 8 thewe apeawed befowe me a heavenwy stwaw a howy viwgin the bwining o-of the wife and bweath and she spoke unto me and she said feaw nyot the movement o-of the heavens above ow the eawth b-bewow fow change i-is nyani we a-awe my chiwd wightous a-awe those who wook up and sway with the w-wind who wook down and dance with the shifting of t-the soiw who swim with the movements of the tides and seek the twuth awound them and discovew t-that we awe and have awways been i-in pawadise the w-wefwections of h-heaven on eawth know my chiwd that thewe is nyo deviw seeking to c-conquowe the heawts o-of man nyo eviw say ignowance f-fow the devastation w-weft in the wake of change c-change my chiwd change is in the h-heavens change is within us change is awound u-us change fow we awe these changes e-eyes wide open we must wook upon t-the heavens w-wide awake and awawe deepwy bweathing and when the shift comes down my chiwd you wiww be thewe a twue and howy suwvivow t-to inhewit t-the kingdom of god you wiww wise a-above the cwumbwes o-of the boyond w-wepaiw to wise to a nyew day to dwink fwom the sweet fwuit o-of the divine the watew and the bwood of the nyew wisen chwist my chiwd go nyow c-chiwd teww them aww the bwind of d-dogma the bwind o-of dogma the doubtews t-the nyay sayews they cannot s-see the kingdom o-of god they cannot d-dwink fwom t-the chawwace that contains the bwood of god untiw t-they get wight j-jesus

[half iron]

fortnite

[sullen sphinx]

So, those are the Warp whispers you hear before you explode, be careful siblings

[hearty oak]

among us

[stable halo]

I hear "little one" in the whispers at high peril

[dense zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-bart-simpson-grampa-simpson-old-man-hi-bye-gif-8390063

Serves me right for coming to psyker chat

Y’all are wild XD

[sullen sphinx]

What do you expect? We have our INCOMPARABLE MINDS

[stable halo]

SEEK THEIR EYES

[torpid girder]

How immportant is crit chance on a soulblaze trauma over something like +25 manic damage?

[urban sandal]

quite important but if you have maniac locked in it isn't the end of the world

since the idea is stacking as much crit chance as possible to proc blazing spirit

[torpid girder]

Would it be worth farming an entirely new trauma if u already have a good trauma with +maniac locked in?

[urban sandal]

it'd be worth it to just keep an eye out for a better one but I personally wouldn't be investing too much plasteel in the hopes of just getting crit chance

[wind spruce]

I've been shredding with blaze trauma for months and mine has maniacs locked

[sullen sphinx]

5% is not that big of the deal, so it's fine

[plucky flax]

Guys go helldiving it's funny.

[torpid girder]

good to know!ive been rlly enjoying thettrauma, was just wondering if the 5% makes that big of a difference

[zenith vigil]

any good on psyker? 😄

[wind spruce]

Taxes aren't that strong but that's a good roll blessings wise

I've been having fun with them the last week

[torpid girder]

taxes??

[sullen sphinx]

Did they fix the online matchmaking?

[wind spruce]

Tactical axes

[zenith vigil]

doing tax nightmare rolling in

[torpid girder]

OHHH

that makes way moresense than what i was thinking lolll

[zenith vigil]

thx

[wind spruce]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1205438183328710708/image.png?ex=65d85eca&is=65c5e9ca&hm=52bb18bcf8063cb3afae96dfd0883c85ba5b0de50ba05a74248b540af69a3a37&
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1205438184050139148/image.png?ex=65d85ecb&is=65c5e9cb&hm=802ff10fab495c2ff2c1c11e59f67d22ec9604613bf8c6e0e518a0e342b48572&

[plucky flax]

Hrm I played 2 rounds this morning. 1 with full team, 1 there were only 2 of us and no one joined. I disabled crossplay though dunno if that'd do anything. Should be more than enough players on steam tbh. I was in that last round with a guy from australia while I'm in UK. D:

[wind spruce]

These are the ones ive been messing with

Omnissiah been blessing me

[zenith vigil]

meanwhile hadron keep turning my 380s into trash 😦

[elder glade]

My condolences for your loss

(losses)

[wind spruce]

Buying everything decent from the hourly shop for a year has really paid off recently

[sullen sphinx]

Good, gameplay seems decent, so maybe I'll check it out

[wind spruce]

It's a lot easier to get good rolls when you have a bunch of well rolled greens in your inventory

[plucky flax]

Last night I played 3 rounds and got full team all rounds.

[zenith vigil]

yeah, i have been buying all the 370+

[wind spruce]

I can usually pick a perk I like and roll it up from there

A lot easier to hit gold when I only need 1/3 to go my way

[plucky flax]

I'm sucking balls but game is funny.

Also it's not $60 so that's nice.

Should hold my interest until darktide's next patch (next year). Next month I'll play dragon dogma 2.

[sullen sphinx]

Neat ,meanwhile I destroy ecosystems spread joy of industrialization in Dyson sphere program. Should keep me occupied for a bit

[elder glade]

Next year is pretty optimistic

[plucky flax]

Progression system seems a bit grindy but you can get premium currency from just playing the game.

And the premium skins are a lit cheaper than darktide.

2800 aquila because its extra work btw. Also comes with extra clipping

[sullen sphinx]

If there aren't any features locked behind a paywall that's already great

[upper sun]

maaan this is the best class

[rigid sky]

And that's the ass weapon too

[upper sun]

surge is fine

[radiant frigate]

surge shriek is great

[wind spruce]

Surge is top tier lmfao

[tired estuary]

yeah its fine. totally fine

[rigid sky]

It's funny how different times of day present wildly different opinions on this stuff lol

[upper sun]

well from what i hear back in the day it was an aoe stun of like 4 enemies

yeah it would be ass compared to that

[tired estuary]

I think a lot of players and coinccidentally psyker players are just really hyperbolica bout anything in the class's kit

[wind spruce]

More like 8

[rigid sky]

Now it's high damage to single target

And tickles a second

[tired estuary]

kinda not b/c it was large stun but way worse dmg

and there were lots of surge strykers who didn't know what melee was ro just surged in front of them instead of like, dealing with threats

[rigid sky]

Smite is basically old Surge

[tired estuary]

so same old shit, history is fractal etc

[wind spruce]

There's no comparing

[tired estuary]

yeah smite better at pure cc and surge is better at killing things that actually matter

[wind spruce]

Smite feels nothing like old surge

[rigid sky]

Multitarget Stun vs multitarget stun

Apparently not comparable

Different feel but similar role.

[wind spruce]

The difference is the maneuverability

[rigid sky]

And also what you sacrifice for it

[wind spruce]

Imagine being so literal you can't hold a proper conversation

[upper sun]

ye surge is nice in the sense you can fire it from from cover as long as the bolt connects in the first place

or it connects after you fire the bolt

[rigid sky]

You seem quite irritable today

[wind spruce]

Nah I'm in a good mood actually

[radiant frigate]

old surge was great for killing enemy shooters

[wind spruce]

But it is irritating when people don't understand hyperbole and non-literal language use

[wind spruce]

It was pretty insane when there was only flak about

Fell short vs unarmoured though

Was night and day on dreg vs scab maps

[radiant frigate]

it was fantastic because it could deal with entrenched shooters relatively safely

so you can get back to the melee faster

[rigid sky]

Like me looking at a clip where a Surge staff is killing everything and saying that that rampage was done with the ass staff

[wind spruce]

I loved it

[rigid sky]

I don't think it's bad compared to the full slate of Darktide weapons

[wind spruce]

Just sliding everywhere while flinging lightning about

[rigid sky]

I just consider it to be the least of the 4 staves.

[wind spruce]

You were so speedy and safe

[radiant frigate]

what, worse than purg?

[upper sun]

I dont think its ass but its a lot easier to build than the rest of the staves

[rigid sky]

For me yeah. Purgatus does what it does really well.

[wind spruce]

Except this is what I assumed you meant. I didn't try to make some witty quip based on your actual language

[radiant frigate]

it does

[rigid sky]

K

[wind spruce]

Purg is garbage

[spice veldt]

purg can deal with densities which sets it at a certain ranking for me

[radiant frigate]

i generally prefer my ranged weapons to be, well, ranged

[rigid sky]

Let's go back to not talking to each other

I liked it more that way

[spice veldt]

i'm of the firm belief that people who underrate purg just are terrible at estimating DPS that isn't single-target

[upper sun]

the staves are all fine it really depends on what you play better

[wind spruce]

I'd rather have a trauma if I'm going for density damage

[radiant frigate]

no i just don't like how creeping the purg damage profile is

[spice veldt]

traum'a stagger can work against itself in terms of DPS

[upper sun]

even if i somehow by the grace of the omnissiah manage to roll a god rolled turama it would take me a while to play it well

[spice veldt]

trauma is great but its DPS certainly leaves some to be desired

[rigid sky]

I mostly like it for the feedback loop with warp charges

And Shriek

[lunar hollow]

thats why u only bring it to hab dreykos with idiot pubs who take forever to scan to inflate ur damage

[radiant frigate]

i feel like that's just hyperfocusing on one thing

when you could be more versatile

but to each their own

[signal cave]

All the baggy fits soldout for psyker?

[upper sun]

tbh any combination of blitz melee and staff is good now as long as you have one thing for single target one thing for cc and one thing for clear

[upper sun]

yoo where did you get the face mask for psyker from?

[signal cave]

Someone's not running penances

[upper sun]

which penance is it?

[rigid sky]

It does help solve the creeping nature though

[signal cave]

Kenetic killer

[rigid sky]

Only remaining issue is long range, so you have to lean on your blitz

[upper sun]

oh fuck i dont have not even close

[rigid sky]

Or the best anti-single target ability in the game

[radiant frigate]

that's an oopsie

[rigid sky]

Ping.

[radiant frigate]

facemask is the best headpiece

[upper sun]

its the only headpiece that isnt a toiletbowl or some weird combination of tubes

[radiant frigate]

therefore it is the best

[rigid sky]

I like the old penance hoods

Never did get that penance to brain burst a monstrosity to death though

Had a team agree to help me with it back before it went private only and the jellybrains decided to try to help me soften the target up

Inability to read my simple instructions, hooooooooo

But the blunts did try at least

[upper sun]

I love achievements that disrupt gameplay 🙂
I love material gathering that disrupts gameplay :))))

it really makes me so happy when someone has to fuck up a mission to do one thing

[rigid sky]

Dogshit design right

New penances are boring but at least don't fuck you up

Some of the old ones were cool though

[upper sun]

its more like they just didnt have enough faith in the game itself

[rigid sky]

The one to kill 50 heretics by falling

Was fun

[spice veldt]

your destiny has been disrupted

[upper sun]

I would still play the game even if the crafting was not grindy or there were no penances

[rigid sky]

Got you to actually try using environmental damage with it

Yeah, being treated like a rat in a skinner box isn't fun

Although this game is less predatory about it

More contemptuous than predatory

Imagine if you could pay to remove locks

🤮

[mighty fractal]

Late but Trauma is pretty much the best staff for clutching, depending on the map

among a lot of other utility it brings

[rigid sky]

It's the most fun imo, tied with Voidstrike

Precision weapons are cool

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/pc9skp they should make trauma able to do this

[rigid sky]

Precision blast weapons are coolest

[mighty fractal]

Trauma and Void are interesting because they're two sides of the same coin

[upper sun]

if theyre that worried about player retention why not add an option to change one thing on one weapon ONCE A MONTH

[mighty fractal]

with each one excelling at the ranges and enemy lineups that the other struggles at handling

(and they're both busted)

[rigid sky]

Just add exterminatus mode pls

[upper sun]

it would save me fucking weeks of grinding and it would add an incentive for the player retention

[rigid sky]

They both kill hard targets well

[mighty fractal]

If Purg were still able to stagger Crushers with the LMB, I'd feel more comfortable running it

[mighty fractal]

Yep, and Void handles lines/columns of elites exceptionally well while Trauma bullies clumps that are less organized

definitely a case where each staff shines on different maps, and in different rooms or tilesets

like if you're going down the Sycorax staircases, Void has a field day because elites just funnel up the stairs

But cramped maps where enemies come from all sides are where Trauma shines

you really start to appreciate the LMB on the other staves once you play Purg, too

most people think it's a dinky little thing that has almost no use

but the LMB stagger and suppression is high, it's pinpoint accurate, it fires quickly, and it does pretty alright damage with damage buffs up

[sullen sphinx]

LMB is great at suppression, just fire wildly at shooters to keep them down

just don't fire it near DH, the suppression wakes it up

[rigid sky]

Love the LMB on staves

It's just a little tricky to aim

Because it doesn't have the same wide-ass projectile as VS RMB

But the stagger, suppression and honestly just raw damage on it is nice

Also it applying soulblaze on crit with blazing spirit Trauma is underappreciated

Not because it's strong

But because heretics burning is always a good thing

[sullen sphinx]

And it's infinite, so you can fire without worrying about such trivial things as ammo management

[rigid sky]

Low peril cost too

Unless you have a comparable mind moment and do it at literally 100

[sullen sphinx]

I wish staves have some cool effect on special attack, for now it's only good for bullying some poor mob by bonking them

[radiant frigate]

stick be upon ye

[upper sun]

you press alt and the staff changes to melee mode where you have a block and a bash

[sullen sphinx]

Yea, maybe allowing blocking with staves. We have big sticks, they should be able to block weak attacks

[rigid sky]

Maybe damage scaling with peril (more significantly than Warp Rider)

Or have staff bops discharge peril

[sonic herald]

staff bops should discharge peril while dealing more dmg with more peril

[old matrix]

Decent Forcesword?

[tulip kettle]

its decent until hadron touches it

we wont know until then 🙂

[silent coral]

anyone here play gun/revlover psyker? Im curious what you went on your revolver for perks flak + manic? Or manic + carapace?

[near drift]

Revolver I would probably do carapace if it's your dedicated armor killer, otherwise flak/maniac as usual

[rotund fable]

The sword itself has trash stats, but that tier 4 blessing is looking juicy...

[wheat seal]

good ?

[wheat seal]

just made this base on the guide, Flak is better than maniacs ?

[tulip kettle]

kek

[tulip kettle]

yes much better

[old matrix]

I don't know what that means

[tulip kettle]

"lol"

also shrekt + L + ratio

[upper sun]

every demios i roll is trash

[tulip kettle]

you will also suffer from the lower cloud radius

[upper sun]

and every illisi i roll is god tier

[tulip kettle]

if you changw blazing to uncanny and weak spot dmg to maniacs its useable tho

[hearty oak]

Lmao even

[wheat seal]

it costs too much to have perfect stats

[tulip kettle]

true, but no flak is pretty crippling, and burn + radius are the 2 most important stats on purg so i would rather have a lower any other stat. radius directly affects the range of the purg staff

[plucky flax]

[marble crater]

So it's a Starship Troopers game?

[plucky flax]

Yeah sort of. 4 players co op against bugs or terminators.

[marble crater]

Maybe a miracle happens and it will also come to xbox, probably not though

[dim parrot]

hahahaha
no.

[misty light]

beam staff when

[plucky flax]

It's published by sony. So I doubt.

Same with darktide backed by microsoft.

Game seems to have more content than darktide, comparing the 2 launches.

[marble crater]

Maybe in the future, if those rumors are true and xbox exclusives are coming to Playstation

[plucky flax]

Sony still haven't released bloodborne and ghost of tsuhima on pc.

[marble crater]

[dim parrot]

ye sony greedy like that

[hearty oak]

Is helldivers 2 triple A?

[plucky flax]

Nah it's AA.

Like darktide I guess.

[hearty oak]

Yeah but the don't have a 🅱️ stamped helmet

[dim parrot]

b for bread?

[hearty oak]

Bread that we gave for a soup bowl helmet. Bowling ball looking helmet

[rotund fable]

Dam shame that this is a mk 2 and not a mk 4

melk was tempting me

[dim parrot]

oof

[wet belfry]

Surpising actually considering how dead ghost of tsushima by now is in comparision to a couple of years ago.

[silent coral]

heard the mk 2 is better at killing muties

[wet belfry]

The game desperately needs an influx of players.

[rigid sky]

sounds like the bull shit to me, Mk4 is one-shotting them anyway

can't imagine how you can kill mutants more effectively than with a DS4

it's literally the best anti-mutant in the game as far as I can see

maybe you can equal it, idk, haven't tried

[silent coral]

parhaps not muties then, i know ive been told that mk2 is better vs some armor type

[river sand]

guess im surge psyker now

[eager mantle]

Idk who has sung praises for any dueling sword that isn't the mk4

[wet belfry]

I think the CS grab could actually really use some audio when its doing its grab

Its way to hard to actually know whether its grabbing or not.

[long wharf]

switch carapace to +elite damage

and it's perfect

[tulip kettle]

click tanner video to see what the fuss is about

"maniac is useless on melee weapons, never take it"

close video

[long wharf]

you automatically know that guy doesn't know anything useful

[near drift]

You clicked on the video so they've already won

algorithm go brrrr

[silent coral]

i watched a video of his to look up gun psyker build and watched him say disrupt destiny is psykers best keystone

[dim parrot]

ayo nothing against my boy dd

[rigid sky]

gameplaywise it's fantastic now imo

it's just limited to which weapons it works with

and blitzes etc

if you're assail and guns or void, it's awesome

EP is often unimpactful and warp charges are just so goddamn expensive

so many nodes

in the otherwise shit left leg of the bottom psyker tree

[silent coral]

Sorry but disrupt destiny is the most unreliable of all psyker keystones and you can get no value for periods of time cause your allies are killing the marked targets and you have to go out of your way to kill some random shooter instead of the threats right infront of you

[silent coral]

i run assail, i perfer empowered psyonics

[rigid sky]

again, it just depends on your loadout, like everything

[dim parrot]

truer words were never spoken

[rigid sky]

EP is really good when it's good fwiw

[mighty fractal]

Yessss

[rigid sky]

but imo it's at its best with brain rupture

[dim parrot]

seems like more of a u issue

[rigid sky]

which is a situational pick in itself too

[mighty fractal]

It’s just very satisfying seeing the projectiles splash a target and now they’re on fire

As they should be

[stone canyon]

Running melee psyker for weekly and going with build that cant really carry that well its been just 2 wipes in row now

Terrible teams in regular heresy/damnation

[hollow current]

DD is feast or famine. When you got it, it's good. And when you don't, well. You'd clearly be better of with charges or EP now wouldn't you?

[silent coral]

if you have to go out of your way to get value from something, jump through hoops intead of stuff thats like "kill stuff and get a bonus" i just dont think its as good then.

[eager token]

EP is the only thing that makes brain burst good

[rigid sky]

it is literally "kill stuff and get a bonus"

[dim parrot]

lmao never have to go out of my way, I get the stacks by accident

[rigid sky]

the problem with it, for me

[eager token]

DD is generally fine as long as you take the 30 second talent imo

[rigid sky]

is that it sometimes actually just doesn't work at all

kill a glowy boi

get the speed buff or whatever it is

[hollow current]

Getting the marked targets it hardly hard. Yes they can spawn in awful places but more often than not you can at least tap them to reset the duration.

[rigid sky]

but don't get any stacks???

[rigid sky]

they also always spawn in front of you

and if you do lose your stack

you just build it up again

it's ok for it to be active most of the time

[hollow current]

the 3 stacks on weakpoint so good

[dim parrot]

It just needs a little fix maybe

[rigid sky]

essential imo

it just needs to reliably actually work when you kill the target

[eager token]

warp battery just needs like 2 less nodes

[hollow current]

All I need is 7 to 1 hit a mutant while cold. So I'm good with it.

[rigid sky]

and maybe give a lingering grace period if the target switches before you can hit it

[rigid sky]

or make the tree going towards it less shit

[eager token]

ya the only decent thing in there is the quell speed lol

[rigid sky]

coherency radius on the class that most wants to be in the middle of its team

and quell speed wooooooo

quell speed is shit too

compared with warp rider

true aim

kinetic deflection

that 5% crit stat node

all standout talents either for specific builds or for all psyker builds

coherency radius and quell speed... exist.

[eager token]

helldivers in maintenance time for darktide i guess

[rigid sky]

and that's the nicest thing I can say about them

Sometimes coherency radius is my 30th talent point choice

I really like the gameplay loop of shriek with warp charges, it feels really strong and is arguably worth the incredible point investment

but my god do I miss those points

[misty cypress]

any thoughts on the games longevity? like is there an endgame?

[eager token]

the core gameplay is very fun, and higher difficulties are def hard with the amount of shit thrown at you constantly but i haven't done anything past difficulty 6

idk game is fun and there's enough shit to grind for

its like darktide

but without the ass crafting system

[misty cypress]

can you set yourself apart cosmetically from others?

[eager token]

yeah there's lots of different armor pieces to buy

capes etc

[mighty fractal]

I’m a big fan of Puppetmaster, if only for the synergy with Psy Aura

[dim parrot]

bro u are saying what Im thinking after switching over from warp charges to dd

[rigid sky]

Warp charges are probably in a bubble the strongest overall in most circumstances. That is why they remain locked under a mountain of jank

I never know how deep into it I wanna go too

You always want at least 3 deep for damage

But then the 4th and 5th points are so tempting too

[eager token]

i almost never take the 6 charges but idk

[rigid sky]

But each extra point slices away something else you really need

[eager token]

4 seems like enough to me

[rigid sky]

And the cost is steeper and steeper

[dim parrot]

yee also just took it until damage cause damage was the one I definitely wanted

[eager token]

psychic vampire is so good tho

[rigid sky]

The 4th is the generator right?

Either team generates off all kills or you generate off targets dying under soulblaze

And the second is the peril/toughness improvement iirc?

[mighty fractal]

Psyker is, funnily enough, the only class that can replicate Coherency toughness regen while outside of Coherency

By way of Quietude

[eager token]

i have been slowly weening myself off of quietude

its rly strong but if you play well you prob only need +toughness on warp kill

[mighty fractal]

I run without Quietude sometimes

It’s super super useful for situations where you can’t reliably hit/kill things with your warp attacks, or if the team is spread out and you need some emergency toughness now while trying to triangulate with your team

[eager token]

panic trauma blast at feet every time

[mighty fractal]

Then you go up against a pure gunner nest as trauma and shriek/bubble is on cooldown

That’s one situation where quietude is super helpful

[eager token]

or just use cover

[mighty fractal]

It just patches up a lot of situations where you’d want toughness during downtime

[rigid sky]

I love it for that part of scrier's gaze where you're edging the last 10 stacks

Running around with the otherwise terrible mind in motion just getting shot and quelling the pain away

And then it's like "my turn :)"

[mighty fractal]

There are a lot of situations where you just don’t have cover in wide open areas

[rigid sky]

And then my fucking jellybrain decides to throw one (1) assail dart

And then my head explodes

[mighty fractal]

Like the Smelter finale if the map has you run back and forth from one end to the other

[little rapids]

i wonder if theres any people who just never use ability to keep max stacks 🤔

its pretty easy to keep -36% peril generation and +24% damage the entire game

[whole shoal]

Yup, thats me on voidstrike lol

[mighty fractal]

Psychic Vampire is super helpful for maintaining warp charges outside of hordes

[whole shoal]

Since voidstrike literally does everything, enabling it to its fullest isnt a bad idea

[mighty fractal]

you’ll get trickles of warp charges just by picking off regular shooters around the map (or from teammates doing the same)

[whole shoal]

Also that 4 percent heat build on charge

[little rapids]

fr voidstrike is SSS tier

[whole shoal]

I never got to play with pre nerf voidstrike but its still busted atm

[mighty fractal]

In Fire Reborn can net you 4-6 stacks all at once if you set a horde in fire with purg or blaze trauma

[little rapids]

it was.. nerfed? o.o

[mighty fractal]

But it’s starved outside of dense hordes

so I prefer Vampire almost all the time

Inner Tranquility is really good on the non-purg staves

It makes floating at high peril much easier

If Essence Harvest worked like Vet’s Confirmed Kill, though, where it stacked multiple instances of toughness regen instead of just refreshing the single toughness regen

it’d be a strong contender against Inner Tranq

[signal cave]

Anyone running speed builds?

[stone canyon]

Melee psyker with Rashad Axe is pretty nuts

Just headshots X number of enemies every swing and they just disappear

Think ill be looking forward for melee weeklies from now on with this

I leveled and tried grey Rashad Axe once, felt it had terrible horde clear, which it does, unless you slap Brutal Momentum on it, then its hit one in the head and 3 its friends also lose heads

[leaden mulch]

any use for psyker?

[mighty fractal]

Combat Axes are in a weird spot because bromentum really enables them

But bromentum arguably needs a nerf as well

So I wonder how they’re going to be balanced

I’m sad that DD Surge isn’t a thing. I want to rp a WH Fantasy Astromancer/Blue Wizard

[leaden mulch]

is Rashad better than antax?

[rigid sky]

Also it means there's a bigger difference between a godroll Caxe than a less-than

[rigid sky]

If rolled right yes

[leaden mulch]

what should i roll on them?

[rigid sky]

Depends on class

[mighty fractal]

Yeppp

[leaden mulch]

on psyker

[mighty fractal]

They’re pretty close, but Rashad is overall stronger because it has a Finesse substat

[rigid sky]

Well in any case you want high damage, penetration, first target and finesse

[mighty fractal]

Antax has Cleave, which would be relevant if Brutal Momentum didn’t exist

[rigid sky]

Psyker has friendlier margins, so does Zealot

Veteran has to make it absolutely perfect or it is a shitstick

Well, exaggeration

[mighty fractal]

A good Rashad is harder to roll for because you want high rolls on almost all of its stats

[rigid sky]

Perfect or it's a single target killer only

But psyker can stack some easy bonuses like warp charges or DD

[leaden mulch]

and what about Tactical axe on Psyker, which stats/perks/blessings should i have on it?

[rigid sky]

Put it in the bin.

[leaden mulch]

why though?

[rigid sky]

Is bad.

Worst melee weapon category across the board

Apart from power maul I guess

[mighty fractal]

Tac Axes are generally weak right now because they have poor cleave (only through heavies) and their lights are chained vertical attacks

They’re just worse knives at the moment

[rigid sky]

Might be workable but I'm not masochistic enough to iterate one that works

[leaden mulch]

next then, what about devil claw sword? only good on zealot?

[rigid sky]

And I'm quite masochistic

[rigid sky]

Mark IV is good on everyone

Idk about others

Solid vs anything not carapace

Tactical counter to ragers

[mighty fractal]

Tac Axes do have high stagger, but that’s not something Psyker has trouble with

[rigid sky]

Good horde clear

[leaden mulch]

i just getting bored from force sword

[mighty fractal]

DC4 is solid on Vet

[tulip kettle]

run a DS4 for a bit

[rigid sky]

Tried DS4?

[leaden mulch]

sure

[tulip kettle]

enjoy the mobility and mutant stabbery

[signal cave]

Psyker not using staff, worse than a zealot using knife.

[rigid sky]

It is like a speedier deimos

[mighty fractal]

Good horde clear, decent single target on unarmored targets, parry will save your life

[rigid sky]

Both are beautiful valid playstyles

That only the most incomparable mind can appreciate

[signal cave]

Toxic people, thou

[leaden mulch]

and what which stats/perks/blessings should i have on DS4?

[rigid sky]

But the voices tell me I'm lovely

[tulip kettle]

• maniac, uncanny are required

[rigid sky]

Flakiac I think, uncanny

[signal cave]

https://tenor.com/view/the-prodigy-keith-flint-firestarter-underground-jungle-gif-13274831

[tulip kettle]

carapace.

[rigid sky]

Pick your own second blessing

[little rapids]

what is toxic about gun psyker

[rigid sky]

Ooh, good point

[little rapids]

i know most knifers throw though

[mighty fractal]

Rest in peace

[tulip kettle]

its either new players who dont want to manage peril, or experienced players who chase orange numbers. Both hoover up the ammo

[rigid sky]

Yes, it does help to also have throwing knives

[rigid sky]

Also experienced psykers who listen to the voices too much

"Go on"

"Throw another assail"

[tulip kettle]

😄

[rigid sky]

"Charge up that Illisi"

[little rapids]

xd

[rigid sky]

"When you can already bisect a planet without charging since you're at 25 SG"

Rest assured, I think most gunkers are only toxic to themselves and their own mental health

[mighty fractal]

Also, petition to bake Smite into the Surge staff and replace it with https://www.worldanvil.com/w/warhammer-40k-sir-doofus/a/life-leech-spell

[rigid sky]

Speaking from experience

[little rapids]

just add a 4th

[mighty fractal]

Or just turn it into a new staff entirely

[rigid sky]

I got bombed with clown reactions when I said Surge was the ass staff this morning lol

[whole shoal]

Coruscation staff pls

[mighty fractal]

I still think Molten Beam is the most likely candidate for a new staff at this point

[whole shoal]

Fair and balanced

[rigid sky]

It's funny how the different communities come out at different times and have different metas here

[rigid sky]

That boring old piece of shit huh?

The beam with the boom

Prefer my voidstrike

BLLLLLLLAP

[mighty fractal]

Especially because Molten Beam is in Rogue Trader

Corusc ain’t ever coming back

I can say with some certainty

That thing is a balancing nightmare for FS lol

It’s as if a modder slipped their homemade staff into VT2

[rigid sky]

What does it do?

[radiant frigate]

to be fair

[mighty fractal]

https://www.worldanvil.com/w/warhammer-40k-sir-doofus/a/molten-beam-spell

[radiant frigate]

blaze trauma is kind of like it

[rigid sky]

Never played much Sienna

[radiant frigate]

it pops down fire patches that annihilate everything

[mighty fractal]

Wouldn’t be surprised if this gets added alongside a Melta for vet/zealot

What Kat said^

[whole shoal]

Basically you get to be the bomber

[mighty fractal]

It is super stupid

[rigid sky]

So like trauma x immo grenades

?

[whole shoal]

With a shotgun for m1

[radiant frigate]

something like that yeah

[mighty fractal]

Because you just fart fire puddles onto choke points

[mighty olive]

Hai siblings

[mighty fractal]

And delete entire hordes

[mighty olive]

I love you all ❤️

[rigid sky]

Yeah those fuckers are only fair because you can only carry 3 of them

[whole shoal]

Infinite immo grenades

[radiant frigate]

or patrols

[mighty fractal]

The lmb is a shotgun spread too with good breakpoints

And yes patrols just evaporate

Pair it with Elf thorn wall to manipulate enemy pathing

[rigid sky]

Purgatus in fire and forget form

[whole shoal]

Doesnt stagger but you just fight them on top of it

[mighty fractal]

And suddenly 300% twitch cata is not too bad

[rigid sky]

Sounds very degen

[mighty olive]

April 10th is national siblings day, we must celebrate!

[mighty fractal]

It is

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_NrCz1qaVic

It looks really cool if you use it on Necromancer

You summon spooky ghost flame pillars everywhere

(It’s busted no matter which Sienna class you use it on)

It’s like blaze trauma if the puddles were stationary and you didn’t knock targets everywhere

Conflagration Staff is the most like Trauma, except it has a huge radius and no massive epicenter damage

[frail harness]

This is pretty good right?

[near drift]

Purg generally wants to crit fish cuz damage doesn't really matter so if you can get crit chance and then nexus/flurry thats the usual go to

Stats are good

[tulip kettle]

purgatus really wants +flak, + crit chance, warp nexus. last blessing is whatever but they all suck except flurry really

[rigid sky]

Beginner purgatus players can use focused channelling imo

before you get good at dodging it's good to have to prevent you from being cut off midstream

but you grow past the need for it

[upper sun]

im stealing this aaaaaaaaa

[frail harness]

Yeah I know it's not ideal purg blessing

[mighty fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/dungeon-meshi-marcille-donato-gif-5215495704987700057

tfw you see a purg psyker spraying and the three poxwalkers next to her get suppressed

because then you know they’re running terrifying barrage

Honestly not sure which new blessings purgatus should even get

The explode on kill?

[near drift]

The extra stagger on left click puff puffs would be nice as an option

[mighty fractal]

Yeah, bringing back a way to stagger Crushers and stagger maulers/ragers for longer would be very nice

It’s the main reason why I don’t use the purg as much as I used to

[spice veldt]

i hate the fact that we can mass CC ogryn enemies so i don't want that

[cosmic sigil]

aoe light spam crusher enters the chat

[spice veldt]

load a bullet in the glock, and aim it right in the crusher's (weapon) knees...

[static needle]

What to change? Keep rampage and run that along with shred?

[cosmic sigil]

critical to something else. i would go elite or unyielding tho, i am pretty shure you oneshot dreg rager on a special

[coral cave]

should ask on ogryn chat too

[cosmic sigil]

shred is nice

so is wrath too, because you need to do l1 + l2 + l3 to get the heavy with the most cleave

so it's a way to get rampage up and running

honestly, try both

[static needle]

how much does 170 cleave increase your weapon's damage to subsequent targets?

[spice veldt]

doesn't mess with damage

only increases the # of targets you hit

the damage distribution remains the same

[static needle]

ah okay

then I kinda think it would be better to run more damage for new chainsword per swing since it's light attacks that are spammed

[spice veldt]

on the chord 13 i think you need wrath if you want to proc rampage on bruisers

[static needle]

what would u run on chord 13 in terms of blessings?

i think shred would be pretty good since it synergizes with mettle

but idk

[spice veldt]

i don't run it but @indigo portal does, who seems to run Rampage + Wrath
for crits, he seems to run wrath + shred but those are suggestions for zealot

[static needle]

both of those suggestions?

[spice veldt]

yeah
at least for rampage + wrath, nothing should really change between zealot and psyker

for crits it's more questionable unless you really want to proc mettle frequently

[uneven obsidian]

did they remove warp flury as an option for surge staff, or am i doing something wrong?

[spice veldt]

surge still has flurry so just rng screwing you over probably

[uneven obsidian]

no like

im trying to rebless

and i have the blessing

but its not showing up for the surge staff

[spice veldt]

oh did you extract warp flurry from a surge staff

each force staff is part of their own family

[uneven obsidian]

does it have to be from a surge staff?

[spice veldt]

so they don't share blessings

yeah

[uneven obsidian]

jesus

[spice veldt]

it's pretty poopoo yeah

[uneven obsidian]

this fucking gatcha shit man

[little rapids]

the advice i saw was check the name after the "Mk #"

deimos, illisi, obscurus share blessings theyre just force sword

but the staves all have different names

also yeah it sucks

[mighty fractal]

Honestly I’m okay with it to a point

It needs to come with limitations or big commitment

[spice veldt]

yeah p much

i'm fine if we can stagger a single crusher at a time and whatnot

or it being relegated to ults (cough cough ult CDR)

[autumn turret]

how do we get those head seeking crystals?

[spice veldt]

nades is fine cuz they're a limited resource

[mighty fractal]

Like Ogryn Shield can stagger multiple crushers at once, but it’s slow and doesn’t kill them quickly

[spice veldt]

it's the rightmost blitz/grenade slot on the talent tree

[tulip kettle]

ogryn shovel can kill 4 crushers at once...

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/dungeon-meshi-delicious-in-dungeon-studio-trigger-marcille-donato-disbelief-gif-6163529742425774907

[spice veldt]

railgun

[mighty fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/dungeonmeshi-dungeon-meshi-marcille-gif-20571066

[tulip kettle]

i dont feel bad about fully charging my trauma to knock them down then gain 2.5 sec of stagger immunity

[mighty fractal]

tfw you try to interrupt the tracking overhead but they’re still in stagger resist despite having been standing up for ages

[tulip kettle]

bad enough

i EXTREMELY dislike when you clearly dodge it and it hits you anyway

[mighty fractal]

Yeah, or it hits you clearly outside the overhead’s range

[tulip kettle]

doesnt happen often but when it does its one of the most rage inducing things in the game

[mighty fractal]

It’s a classic Mauler/Chaos Warrior overhead problem from Vermintide

It happened to me last night actually

[tulip kettle]

thats what i mean, i dodge back as he winds up, i dodge right as it comes down, im clearly beside and away from it but it still hits me

nonsense

[mighty fractal]

Stealth zealot ran ahead, got netted into a crusher patrol

I freed him

He stealths instantly

All right crushers turn to face me

I slide away while charging trauma

Most of the crushers get knocked over, but one ice skates out unscathed and smacks me in the head despite sliding to the side

[spice veldt]

tbf the stagger immunity is just fatshark solving their own problem of adding way too much ogryn CC to this game

[mighty fractal]

Entire team crumbles in five seconds now that there isn’t a trauma staff to keep the crushers on the floor

[rotund fable]

Will they ever add a way to convert diamantine into plasteel... because I have too much diamantine

and nowhere near enough plasteel

[tulip kettle]

i dont think theres too much ogryn cc personally

i also dont remember seeing 8 chaos warriors at a time in VT

[mighty fractal]

Man imagine if Psyker had a way to ‘downgrade’ enemy armor like Zealots can with Chastise

[spice veldt]

prob just counterintuitive in this game since classes besides ogryn have their melee dodge linger for some time, so it's better to dodge earlier than you'd expect if you're coming from other games

[mighty fractal]

purg would be nuts

[mighty fractal]

Chaos patrols

[little rapids]

same

[spice veldt]

yeah, I'm saying that fatshark is spamming 8 ogryns specifically because it's just too easy to deeal with ogryn enemies at the moment

nerf the CC/damage against ogryns and lower their count

so that they are more of an individual threat and can't be trivialized

[tulip kettle]

that i could go for

its the same as when you get bulwark spammed

[spice veldt]

yeah i FUCKING HATE 10 bulwarks

[tulip kettle]

like what are most classes honestly supposed to do vs that

[mighty fractal]

Player power in general is high enough right now to where individual enemies often aren’t much of a threat

[tulip kettle]

i think plenty of enemies are threats, IF YOU MAKE A MISTAKE

which is as it should be

[indigo portal]

On the 13 having +cleave from the get-go helps a ton against bruisers. Otherwise you're H3 reliant on proccing SS.

[mighty fractal]

Bulwark patrols hopping over a wall and body blocking you in a corner

trapped in a cage of meat and moebian steel

[spice veldt]

jail

[tulip kettle]

yup precisely, straight to sadness jail

and then they bully you by just shield pushing you instead of actually attacking

[spice veldt]

and wait 3 seconds before doing anything

and trappers being able to shoot through bulwarks

[mighty fractal]

thankfully trauma and zealot fire nades can trivialize that situation

But most loadouts can’t

[mighty fractal]

This is the worst

[tulip kettle]

yeah exactly, you are either trauma, void, plasma vet, or fucked

[tulip kettle]

OMFG THIS TOO

why can the trappers even shoot through their team mates

[mighty fractal]

It’s like a silent hookrat stretching his hook extraaaa distance to nab you through a shield rat patrol

[tulip kettle]

no other enemies can shoot through their buddies

[spice veldt]

(snipers)

[mighty fractal]

Snipers still knock their friends down

[spice veldt]

(who also have their own bullshit)

[mighty fractal]

I think

[tulip kettle]

yeah they kill em though

like snipers shoot through their team mates by killing them

im okay with that

[mighty fractal]

My favorite interaction is clearly hitting a dog or trapper out of their attack and STILL getting trapped, and the disabler will act as if nothing happened

Like, you’ll see the blood decals

And you’ll hear the hit sound

[tulip kettle]

yup i was crying about DS4 special on ragers doing the same thing

[mighty fractal]

But the trapper will just sit there not actually having taken any damage

[tulip kettle]

there is no reason not to have client side hit detection in this game

[rotund fable]

Me when i Face-stab a mutie, getting a red-hitmarker, but the game says "nope!"

[mighty fractal]

It’s especially funny because vermintide has so many client-host bugs

I thought FS had switched to public server-side lobbies in Darktide to avoid issues like these

The real reason is that it probably worked better with cross play

[tulip kettle]

but this is dedicated server, its fine to have server auth for plenty of things, but hit detection in a pve game is not one of them

[mighty fractal]

I’d love to have vermintide-style lobbies in this game

[tulip kettle]

you can run most things server side and make the hit detection client authoritative no problem

[mighty fractal]

(Just so I can avoid lobbies with multiple purg smite psykers in them)

Yeah that’s why I’m so puzzled

Why do interactions like that favor the cpu lol

Even though you hear and see all the hit indicators

[rotund fable]

I've had something like that happen to me before, but on reviewing my replays saw that my cursor was Just a pixel off from the head hitbox.

[tulip kettle]

which would be fine

dont play the hit sound then

dont show blood for the dude

[mighty fractal]

^

[tulip kettle]

and you dont need to headhsot to stagger the ragers with the special i dont think

[rotund fable]

You sure about that? I always assumed you did...

[tulip kettle]

im not about to boot up DT and check, maybe in the morning

[rotund fable]

Understandable

[tulip kettle]

or i just ask @spice veldt

[rotund fable]

I'm like... 70% sure you need to hit the head for the DS4's special to stagger a rager.

[spice veldt]

at least that i don't know cuz i always run assail and use that to stagger ragers instead

[tulip kettle]

ill check tomorrow

busy assembling yet another sydonian dragoon

[feral verge]

bruh

you aint 'running' assail

you walking it bro

lmao

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/70r1si

[feral verge]

i dont want to remember

[spice veldt]

you will recall all of your traumatic experiences

oh right there was this banger clip

[spice veldt]

lmao lol xd https://streamable.com/brjl7m

[lapis violet]

siblings, the emperor has gifted me this. should i keep it or share the gift with others? (sell)

[lyric burrow]

Sell

[lapis violet]

thank you, sibling

[feral verge]

i forgot about this

[lyric burrow]

Damn

He was struggling

Rare mankar L

[spice veldt]

common*

[tulip kettle]

why does your game look like a ps1 game

[spice veldt]

this image will explain it https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1133928123868663828/rn_image_picker_lib_temp_1a6a056c-46bb-40d5-a06c-d77bce4f5a63.png?ex=65d69ddc&is=65c428dc&hm=346e3edb951804626c20a94d8df19f5cbbd4d998e35637325a35eeb1a276b15e&

[tulip kettle]

ah

[rapid bear]

Is this worthwhile, with blessings replaced, or 1 blessing / 1 perk? Is an Mk IV dueliling sword ever worth it compared to a MkV?

[spice veldt]

yeah, mk4's the best in terms of damage

[tulip kettle]

yeah it looks good grey

[spice veldt]

its heavies deal ~40% more damage than the other two duellies

[tulip kettle]

although usually you want cleave dump stat

if it were mine

[lyric burrow]

And it can chain the stabs

[spice veldt]

pretty damn nice duelling sword right there

[tulip kettle]

i would change unyielding to maniac and rampage to uncanny

[rapid bear]

Wow! I haven't put too many duelers to use. That's from Melk, so was consdering buying.

[spice veldt]

i'd personally replace both blessings or you could just only replace one blessing and leave the other modification slot open for future balance patches

[tulip kettle]

it needs maniac right?

for the one hit on muties?

and carapace is great on DS always

[spice veldt]

i personally don't put maniac on my duellies cuz i two-shot maniacs anyways with a weakspot/bodyshot

[tulip kettle]

id rather 1 shot it lol

[spice veldt]

i'd keep unyielding just to supplement psyker's depressing boss damage if not running a gun

[lyric burrow]

You can also run like precog

[tulip kettle]

idk thats crazy to me

[lyric burrow]

Makes up the damage loss

[tulip kettle]

to not get the 1 hit on mutant

[lapis violet]

what i'm hearing is the mk2 is no good?

[spice veldt]

mutants are pretty whatevs to me

[tulip kettle]

yeah until theres 6

[rapid bear]

1-hit mutants is kinda a big QOL thing for me, I like the concept.

[tulip kettle]

and youre playing a pug

[lyric burrow]

And if anything has done damage to the mutie prior youll kill it

Which is rare

Like its nice

[spice veldt]

at least the duellies have the mobility

[rapid bear]

So drop Rampage for Uncanny, and accept Shred 3 on it?

[spice veldt]

and i can set up a mutant one-shot by throwing an assail shard at it

[lyric burrow]

But unyielding/cara is fine

[tulip kettle]

yup grey

the second blessing is personal choice

[lyric burrow]

Esp if hes not running a boss damage gun

[tulip kettle]

you can run shred/rampage/precog/riposte

you should not be meleeing bosses.

[spice veldt]

here are the numbers to see it

[spice veldt]

says who?

[tulip kettle]

says logic? im not saying you cant

[spice veldt]

melee is easily one of your better boss DPS options if not running a gun

what logic

[lapis violet]

brunt did not cook with this one

[spice veldt]

the game lag compensates your dodges against plogryns

[tulip kettle]

the bosses are dangerous to be near

plogryns are piss with anything

they dont count

[spice veldt]

and the ds4 has the mobility to dodge bonbon spits

yeah if you ignore one of the three bosses then your argument that you shouldn't ever melee bosses holds water yes

10/10

if I can melee a bonbon to death with psword on vet

you can do it on psyker

[wind spruce]

2/3 bosses easy to melee

Seems bad

[tulip kettle]

look, i just said

its not that you cant

its that you shouldnt

[spice veldt]

and i'm arguing against your "shouldnt"

[static needle]

What should I change crit dmg to?

[lyric burrow]

If you can chain headshots with DS or deimos its p good damage

[spice veldt]

it's this weird meme that psyker should be allergic to melee

[lyric burrow]

Maniac

Imo

[tulip kettle]

no, not at all

[wind spruce]

I agree with arco on this one dom

[tulip kettle]

meleeing is fun and awesome

[lapis violet]

what's the dump stat on ds4? cleave?

[wind spruce]

It's pretty high risk vs chaos spawn (atleast for me) but the other two? Go for it

[tulip kettle]

yes

lol meleeing BoN is super high risk

or no risk at all

[lyric burrow]

Spawn can be funky

[wet belfry]

You should melee the 3 chaos spawns that monstrous spawns.

[tulip kettle]

depending on talent tree

[lyric burrow]

You have the dodges for it tho

[lapis violet]

wonderful. this is as good as i'm getting rn

[wind spruce]

If you get spewed on you just back off

[spice veldt]

it's risky if you're in a tight space but you easily have the dodge distance to clear the spit

[tulip kettle]

and still take corruption

[spice veldt]

like, I can do it on psword vet, and you can certainly do it on psyker ds4

[tulip kettle]

i just SAID

yes, you can

[wind spruce]

One spew is fuck all corruption

[tulip kettle]

should you? hell no

[spice veldt]

alright fine

you should do it on psword revolver vet and you should do it on ds4 psyker if you have no other forms of meaningful boss damage

and also this weird meme that you should be allergic to any forms of damage

[lyric burrow]

Its better for boss dps if you running any psyker thing but a gun really

[spice veldt]

just hittrade and move the game forward instead of playing at a slow ass pace and protecting your precious hp

[tulip kettle]

again, a good point

but you play in a party with other competent players

[spice veldt]

motherfucker

i don't premade all the time

[tulip kettle]

that is not most peoples experience of the game

[wind spruce]

There's actually a shit ton of heal on the map, as arco is implying

[spice veldt]

i play half solo queues and half premades

[wind spruce]

Dude dom I pre much only solo queue

[spice veldt]

you talk like i'm speaking exclusively from playing only premades

[lyric burrow]

Arco is making a general statement

[tulip kettle]

and so am i

[spice veldt]

yes so that's not an argument against me

why the hell are you even saying it then

[tulip kettle]

are there times when you can melee a boss? sure. should you be looking to do it? no

[spice veldt]

you definitely should be looking to do it if you have the hp to spare and you don't have other forms of meaningful boss damage

[lyric burrow]

I wouldnt even say that

Unless your ranged/blitz is 100% better

[wind spruce]

If you're facing a BoN or pogryn and there's no higher priority enemies and you're not gun psyker or void, you absolutely SHOULD be meleeing.

Maybe purg too

[tulip kettle]

look youre saying, dont run maniac for 1 shots on mutants so you can run unyielding to better melee bosses. thats fine you do you but i would not play that way

[spice veldt]

yeah i'm speaking from an optimality perspective

you're free to play whatever you want

[tulip kettle]

i prefer being safe

and the safest thing is to not be near it

[lyric burrow]

I think hes also only running unyielding in this case because he values the second blessing more

And is fine with unyielding

[rapid bear]

Appreciate the advice! I had Uncanny IV already unlocked, so was an easy pick.

[wind spruce]

Run maniacs and specialists like a true savage

Gotta get that mutie one shot

[spice veldt]

i'd run unyielding + anything all the time since i can just set up a mutant one-shot or still just two-shot them

[lyric burrow]

Let me run 2x maniac

[spice veldt]

unless i'm in a tight corridor like that one corridor leading to a sidepath in magistrati near the medicae

[lyric burrow]

I wanna 2 shot the mutie without HS

[spice veldt]

and because fatshark made dodges against mutants extremely lenient

[static needle]

I tried fighting a plogryn in psykanium with chainsword. Its going pretty bad. Dont have the mobility to solo the boss

[wind spruce]

It's actually way harder than people want to admit to set up a mutant one shot

[tulip kettle]

especially when theres a conga of 6 of them

[lyric burrow]

You feel like you usually one shot it

Cause something else damaged it a lot of the time

[static needle]

what weapon

[tulip kettle]

like, i would rather guarantee i can stab 6 times in a row and they will all die

[wind spruce]

Run forward hit head, dodge backwards when he ground pounds, repeat

[wind spruce]

DS 4

[lyric burrow]

Itll probably be hard to get the special off

On chord

Maybe after whiffed grab

[static needle]

this is a skill issue if im gonna be brutally honest. Just practice it and itll be easy as cake

[wind spruce]

When I say set up I mean the damage requirement not pulling off the headshot

[spice veldt]

i don't personally value accounting for a situation where 6 mutants spawn consecutively and because mutants just aren't that threatening

[static needle]

just use DD like a meta psyker

[tulip kettle]

just get 75+ in the 3 damage stats and then maniac perk

[feral verge]

yeah

the situation happens rarely

[lyric burrow]

And yeah muties are w/e

[dim parrot]

especially if walls safe u

[tulip kettle]

apart from on waves of specials?

[lyric burrow]

I usually run maniac for ragers honestly

[tulip kettle]

and then it happens multiple times per game

[spice veldt]

i too play hishock

[static needle]

when you could run unyielding instead? literally what breakpoint does maniac give besides maybe mutant if youre not running DD

[wind spruce]

Yeah it's easy with that, but most people want to make you think you can do it with a warp charge or two and half peril

[lyric burrow]

Muties in waves have less hp too

[wind spruce]

Which you can't.

[spice veldt]

and i am definitely not getting more than 3 mutants in a row consecutively that frequently

[tulip kettle]

specifically mutant

that is why

[static needle]

if youre having problems with mutants, thats a skill issue

[tulip kettle]

1 shotting mutants is a huge QoL boost

[spice veldt]

and also that's assuming they focus you specifically

[static needle]

[wind spruce]

This, and as someone said on waves they take more damage/have less health

[static needle]

run DD

[dim parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-mutant-warhammer-40k-darktide-mutant-gif-1118053842768353546

[wind spruce]

This is true, but it still doesn't happen without much more than just +25% maniacs

[lyric burrow]

Your team is also very far more likely to have maniac damage than unyielding

[wet belfry]

I actually think that the thought of meta in this game might be really dumb.

[wind spruce]

Do I need to post my video of what it requires with even +8% specialist again?

[tulip kettle]

yes please do because i have no trouble with it at all

[wet belfry]

Meta in how i usally see people viewing in this game is to optimize for damage, not actually winning.

[wind spruce]

Ok booting up

[feral verge]

oh my fucking god @spice veldt

look at him lmao

he's in the psykhanium testing

nerd time

[lyric burrow]

Tbf damage is generally winning

[spice veldt]

you will die

[lyric burrow]

You can just dps check everything