#psyker-class

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buoyant maple
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There is merit to getting a lot of hits out quickly even if they don’t do the most dmg

tulip kettle
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spam lmb then.

long wharf
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you haven't said anything that counters anything I've said, either

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you can like surge, and that's perfectly fine

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you can do well with it

plucky flax
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Yeah I guess.

long wharf
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but you could be doing better with other options

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if you can aim

plucky flax
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Nein.

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Can't aim so.

long wharf
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if you can't, then that's a you issue

plucky flax
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Yeah.

long wharf
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and make no mistake - I absolutely loved the old surge staff

plucky flax
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Sucks.

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I need auto aim staff.

long wharf
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I want the new surge staff to be good

long wharf
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not just decent single-target

plucky flax
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Maybe it's you issue you can't play new surge.

sullen sphinx
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Molten beam staff for that big shiny laser of doom

plucky flax
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I played old surge a lot too and new one is so much better with the current psyker kit.

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Especially with warp charges creeping flames spam.

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But alas.

long wharf
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every time I use surge now, I'm constantly thinking "I could be doing better in this situation with X"

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and that's the fundamental problem with the current surge staff - it has no definitive niche

plucky flax
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That's me when I play void.

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Or purga.

long wharf
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there's no situation where it shines over other combat options

plucky flax
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I'd rather play surge than void.

long wharf
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not a single one.

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that's fine

plucky flax
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And blaze trauma than purga.

tulip kettle
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whenever i use surge im thinking "why cant i reach that thing" or "why did i just explode"

long wharf
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you have a playstyle preference

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and thankfully psyker is in a good enough spot that you can enjoy your playstyle and still be very effective in combat

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I really, truly miss the old surge

plucky flax
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Void just makes me want to play plasma.

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And does 10x better.

long wharf
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it was a great staff

tulip kettle
long wharf
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I switched from void to trauma on my try-hard build

tulip kettle
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because playing void feels just like playing plasma

plucky flax
tulip kettle
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and its ez mode

plucky flax
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Please delete blaze trauma.

tulip kettle
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awww i was gonna farm a new one with more than 65 dmg lol

sullen sphinx
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Blaze Trauma is life

little rapids
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is there a blaze trauma build guide somewhere

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i hear so mcuh about it

plucky flax
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I'm selling my 2nd blaze trauma for $10.

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Anyone wanna buy?

long wharf
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that's not blaze trauma

tulip kettle
tulip kettle
little rapids
long wharf
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well true

plucky flax
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I got it from melk but my current one is better.

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Bought it for fun though cos I have 200k melk coins.

plucky flax
# little rapids and what talents to makeit work

Using Mk5 duelling sword for fast movement and repositioning. More vulnerable to shooters without deflector but it's very comfy to kite monster and dodge muties.
Patch 1.2.22
Smelter Complex HL-17-36 · Strike · Damnation · Hi-Intensity Shock Troop Gauntlet (Hunting Grounds)
Loadout: Mk V Duelling Sword / Brain Rupture / Force Trauma Staff

00:00...

▶ Play video
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Build at the start.

little rapids
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ty

plucky flax
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Best blaze trauma gamer.

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(Not me)

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You can use whatever melee weapon you want.

sullen sphinx
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Not really fond of peril edging of the pure Blazing Trauma, so I'm using heretical Flurry + Blazing Spirit one

tulip kettle
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i just built the talent tree didnt do the rest

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you can swap quietitude for empathic evasion or wildfire if you like

little rapids
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is creeping flames what makes it work

tulip kettle
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well, it makes it better

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i wouldnt play without it

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but stuff will die without you shrieking at it no problem

plucky flax
sullen sphinx
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You can run bubble with it without problems

plucky flax
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Mettle proc on per enemy.

tulip kettle
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yeah true

plucky flax
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Quietude offers a way to always get toughness regen anywhere.

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So it's good for solo clutch.

tulip kettle
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thats why i started putting quietitude on tbh, not being able to gen toughness when i absolutely need it without it was hurting me

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its a good starting point though to tweak as you like

plucky flax
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If you're based you don't need soulstealer.

sullen sphinx
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With max resistance, charge speed, Flurry and Warp Charges a single proc of quietude can almost refund a full blast

plucky flax
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Wildfire is too much damage increase. whatthefuck_heresy

tulip kettle
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😉

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i took that off for EE

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not noticed a huge difference

plucky flax
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You want faster firing weapon to utilise ee.

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Like assail or purga.

little rapids
tulip kettle
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i dont think its good

tulip kettle
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but i dont know what else is worth picking up honestly

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i can grab 15 toughness or 5% TDR or 5% MS

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i asked about this exactly the other day here actually

sullen sphinx
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MS is neat, helps with repositioning

tulip kettle
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got the 1 floating point to spend from not having wildfire and ended up throwing it on EE because i couldnt really decide what to go for

marble crater
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Put it on wildfire thumbsup_ogryn

tulip kettle
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i also figure when im lmb spamming gunner packs at range the EE might actually help, which is where i need it

tulip kettle
plucky flax
tulip kettle
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why is that working?

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and, is it actually doing any dmg?

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like putting 1 stack onto the things

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im ALSO sussy of your illisi there :L

plucky flax
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Because wildfire spread from corpses.

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So in a real game it does much more.

tulip kettle
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right but like, is it doing anything?

plucky flax
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It spreads from corpses to unspawned enemies.

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Idk you tell me. staregryn

tulip kettle
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putting 1 or 2 stacks of blaze on em?

plucky flax
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My illisi is deflector slaughterer so it doesn't have blazing spirits.

tulip kettle
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when they will die to your illisi anyway?

plucky flax
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Yeah but they also burn.

tulip kettle
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fair and based take

sullen sphinx
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It deals some decent damage on the basic stuff

tulip kettle
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i dont think 2 stacks of soulblaze being on a unit for 1 second before you cut it down

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is "decent"

plucky flax
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Also with 5 stacks slaughter, soulblaze benefit from that.

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Maybe it reduces 1 extra attack required on a 3rd target cleave.

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It still helps with overall horde clear speed.

tulip kettle
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i, too, like purging heretics with fire

sullen sphinx
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If 1 horde chaff inflicted with that it's not that special, but if the whole horde is on fire that's where decent damage comes from

plucky flax
marble crater
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Would be nice if we could see how much damage specific talents etc did after a mission. That's one of the things Outriders did very well

long wharf
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one of the few things

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Outriders was a real dumpster fire on release

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a real shame, even with a so-so story, there were a lot of neat ideas for the classes in place

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and each class was unique

idle bay
long wharf
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entirely wrong

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only idiots expected Destiny

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the majority of the community understood it wasn't a live service game

idle bay
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Well there was a hell of a lot of idiots then 🙂

long wharf
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that doesn't change the fact that tons of shit was broken on release

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and the end-game was basically missing before Loot 2.0

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I put a couple hundred hours into Outriders

idle bay
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I bought a finite game and i played a finite game and i was happy.
Only thing that pissed me off - brainded stupid re-balancing

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When they broke build and classes just because some a-hole compained on forums

long wharf
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yep, that happened too

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before Loot 2.0, the devs didn't really seem like they understood what their game was about

idle bay
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And overall in finished state with grand-finale - it was an enjoyable good game.

trail oar
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This feels like a pretty good staff, what perks do i want for it?

long wharf
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I definitely got my money's worth out of Outriders, though I didn't bother with the DLC

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well damn, Steam says I played Outriders for 457.3 hours

idle bay
tulip kettle
tulip kettle
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keep the blessings you have

trail oar
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Thanks, got maniac and flak at the moment

tulip kettle
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the other choice

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for me my sword deals with mutants and other maniacs either already die in 1 hit or take 2 with or without the perk

long wharf
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flak and carapace deal with the two biggest danger groups you want trauma to deal with

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with trauma, you have horde and general CC covered

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meaning your melee can be focused on killing hard targets (ds4 or deimos)

wet belfry
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Elite, flak might be better

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More room for breakpoints on things outside crushers.

long wharf
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10% on elites isn't as good as +carapace for ocrushers

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I don't think 10% elites is going to hit a one-shot breakpoint for ragers

wet belfry
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No but it probably hits it for shotgunners.

tulip kettle
long wharf
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gunners aren't a concern as you can knock them down with impunity

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ragers are the ones you can fail to stagger

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and with crushers, you're absolutely SOL if you're trying to knock them down while they're stagger immune

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in abstract, +elites sounds like you'd be better off, but in gameplay, crushers are a bigger threat worth having a perk for

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and given how much the AI director likes spawning entire clown cars worth of elites at once, gangs of shotgunners aren't a threat in the way a gang of crushers is

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it's the crushers that end runs

wet belfry
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My experience is that its always good to start chains of perilous combustion as early as possible.

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Hitting a BP on shotgunners would do that.

long wharf
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you aren't wrong

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but that begs the question of whether or not you're actually hitting that breakpoint with +elites

tulip kettle
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im also just gonna throw it out there

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that taking + infested means you hit the 1shot breakpoint on pox and groaners

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which you wont without

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on LMB i mean

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so maybe you could justify that, idk

long wharf
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with trauma, I only ever LMB to suppress ranged enemies while I close distance

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or reposition

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but then, I also run assail with trauma

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and assail handles groups of ranged just fine

tulip kettle
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ah see i dont have assail

red jacinth
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got a new ds, any suggestions?

tulip kettle
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change block efficiency to carapace

long wharf
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yep

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and then upgrade Uncanny Strike when you can

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er no

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swap out Rampage

tulip kettle
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rampage..

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you change rampage for precog or a crit perk

long wharf
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you could go shred

red jacinth
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prefer rampage imo

long wharf
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shred, riposte, or precog

tulip kettle
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rampage is trash on DS...

long wharf
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you aren't hitting 3 enemies with the ds

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it's cleave is straight garbage

tulip kettle
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cleave is usually the dump on DS4

red jacinth
long wharf
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and the moveset isn't conducive to hitting multiple targets

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it's not why you bring a ds4

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you can use it to fight back the horde, but it's really not a horde sword

tulip kettle
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lights also tickle even the most trash of units

merry drift
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This good? I haven't rerolled anything at all

tulip kettle
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very nice reene

long wharf
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super congrats

red jacinth
tulip kettle
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i would change gloryhunter for rending

long wharf
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hand cannon

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yeah

tulip kettle
merry drift
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Yeah I got that from mission with perks and gloryhunter rolled on it

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I just upgreadded it for the second blessing \

long wharf
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pretty wild that it rolled a t2 blessing first

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and still rolled t4 second blessing

merry drift
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Yeah lmfao

long wharf
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very unlikely

merry drift
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I'll take it

tulip kettle
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then you can change crucian if you like to something with a better crit chance l;ike surgical

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so, i would go for hand cannon and surgical blessings and it will be a literal cannon

merry drift
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I never really used the revolver so this was pretty cool

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Okay

long wharf
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no no

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that's the agripinaa revolver

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you want crucian roulette on it, not surgical

tulip kettle
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oh im blind sry

long wharf
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surgical is for zarona

tulip kettle
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yeah i thought it was zarona my b

merry drift
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So crucian roulette

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Noted

long wharf
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yes, keep CR

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slap hand cannon on it

merry drift
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Okay\

long wharf
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that's a damned fine revolver

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hopefully you like the agripinaa cowboy six-shooter special

merry drift
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I got a few nasty weapons now lmao

long wharf
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oh no

tulip kettle
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this will go real nice on a build with assail and a nice general purpose melee like an illisi, the revolver

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that trauma is sus

merry drift
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Lmfao

long wharf
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with trauma, you want either flurry+rending or nexus+blazing

merry drift
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Nexus blazing I tried but it was kinda troll for damage it seemed

long wharf
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since that crit chance perk is locked in, you're better off turning it into nexus+blazing

tulip kettle
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its fucked anyway

merry drift
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Yea

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;-;

long wharf
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yeah, you generally don't want crit chance perk on trauma

tulip kettle
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blaze trauma without flak is feelsbadman

merry drift
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It hurts my heart

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The stats r nuts but the rolls went bad

tulip kettle
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what blessings did it have?

long wharf
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you were better off just selling it

tulip kettle
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before u changed them

merry drift
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It had dog

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Like complete garbage

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I forgor what it had since I had the staff for some time but like

tulip kettle
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well the difference between lvl 2 and lvl 4 nexus is 4% crit chance at max peril

merry drift
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It was bad I remember that

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Maybe I could change this a bit?

tulip kettle
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its got the same problem

long wharf
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yeah, just reversed

merry drift
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Yea

tulip kettle
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those 2 blessings arent synergystic

long wharf
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and you can't fix it

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not on trauma, anyways

merry drift
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What synergizes well with warp flurry?

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I really like the warp flurry blessing

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It makes crowd clearing cake

marble crater
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Rending Shockwave

tulip kettle
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[rending, flurry, +cara, + flak] or [blazing, nexus, +flak, 5% crit chance]

long wharf
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flurry+rending

merry drift
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Ok

tulip kettle
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the first one can work without one of the perks being correct but the blazing build needs all 4 of those things to be good and missing any one makes it perform poorly

merry drift
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Ok

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I need to get a t4 rending shockwave now

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Gah

tulip kettle
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having lvl 3 blessings instead of lvl 4 wont break either of them

merry drift
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So like this?

tulip kettle
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if that had cara and flak it would be great

merry drift
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Yeah

tulip kettle
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as it is it will be underwhelming, but the blessings like that are just fine

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its the difference between 15% brittle and 20% brittle per fully charged shot

merry drift
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Well time to try rolling 80/80/80/52/79 again

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;-;

tulip kettle
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😄

merry drift
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Like it was too good to be lmfao

tulip kettle
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rending shockwave lies about how it applies brittleness and actually gives half the number stated, iirc

merry drift
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Oh really?

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I've also been trying gun wizard recently

tulip kettle
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gunker very cool

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with a columnus?

merry drift
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Scrierz gaze and columnus

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Yer

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U melt things

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It's kind of ridiculous

tulip kettle
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yeah, unyielding + flak on the gun, maniac and carapace on the sword

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bring assail

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assail all the trash

merry drift
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Yeah true

tulip kettle
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shoot bosses and flak enemies

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stab crushers and mutants

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ez game

merry drift
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The build I tried following though pathed through smite instead of assail though

tulip kettle
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well, dont use that build 😄

merry drift
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So it could get the psykinetic's aura

tulip kettle
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yeah its bad

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PA doesnt actually work when scriers is active

merry drift
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Oh dang

wet belfry
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Melee weapons work well for horde clear either way by this point with how much damage the build is stacking.

merry drift
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Brain rupture huh?

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Interesting

wet belfry
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I spam scriers gaze whenever its off cooldown

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It gives around a 70% uptime for either scriers gaze or its stacks during matches

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around 40% for scriers gaze itself.

tulip kettle
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try this.

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you press scriers whenever there is a group of elites

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other than that just assail the trash

merry drift
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hmmm'

tulip kettle
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use assail to guarantee the DD stacks

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and dont use all the ammo shooting trash

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when you press SG warp ex is gonna give you constant toughness gen so you can go crazy

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you will have a silly crit rate, and can use assail to guarantee a true aim proc

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etc

merry drift
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Ok

tulip kettle
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i would pair it with the weapon combo above [columnus, +flak, + unyielding, dumdum, firefrenzy] + [DS4, uncanny, shred,carapace, maniac]

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you can throw 2 assail darts and swap to the sword so they get uncanny strike

merry drift
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I'll have to mark this down and work towards the weapon stuff

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I'll see what I'm running rn

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It's ghetto asf

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Good ?

wet belfry
merry drift
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So what ideally am I Swapping?

wet belfry
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Crit hit damage to crit chance or unyielding

tulip kettle
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go unyielding

merry drift
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Unyielding would be more consistent right?

tulip kettle
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because of the way true aim and the crit chains on columnus works you wont benefit too much from crit chance

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wheras unyielding will let you 2 mag a plogryn

merry drift
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so for now this would be the gun Im rocking

tulip kettle
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its perfect

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deathspitter and fire frenzy are interchangeable

merry drift
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What about the sword?

tulip kettle
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i would pair it with a DS4 with maniac, carapace, uncanny strike and shred

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or riposte is also very good

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as long as you have uncanny

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cleave damage is the dump on DS4

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you will 1 hit mutants with headshots with the sword then, which covers one of your last remaining weaknesses

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and crushers will also die extremely fast to it, which is your other weakness

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so all bases covered

merry drift
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Ok

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I'll need to work towards getting the sword going

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I got shred and riposte on mine so far

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flak/carapace though

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Swap the flak to maniac

tulip kettle
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you need maniac carapace on the sword

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for the 1 shot on mutants

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you will be shooting flak targets with the gun

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assailing trash

merry drift
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Yea

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Okay

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Done and done

tulip kettle
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tidy, have fun

merry drift
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Chillin?

tulip kettle
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it will do for now

merry drift
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Ok

tulip kettle
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you want one with uncanny ideally but its great still

merry drift
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Okay I got something to work towards now

tulip kettle
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as i said, if you throw a couple of assail darts into the air and swap to the sword

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the uncanny strike on the sword will apply to the darts

merry drift
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That's kinda nuts

red jacinth
flint aspen
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does warp resist do anything to both isili and deimos

wet belfry
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Warp res is a dump stat on deimos

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Actually no its more then a dumpstat

flint aspen
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its absolutely karking worthless

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?

wet belfry
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No its good to have low warp res on deimos.

red jacinth
wet belfry
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Good peril farming for toughness, damage bonuses.

dim parrot
wet belfry
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I belive its the only weapon in the game to have a stat you want as low as possible.

dim parrot
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but can never become a godroll

wet belfry
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Illisi actually has some use of warp res as it actually uses special for damage.

red jacinth
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swap both blessings and cope?

dim parrot
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ay I mean its still usable!

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also not entirely sure, I would recommend asking voidstrike experts KEKW_ogryn

red jacinth
long wharf
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I wouldn't bother using that void staff

upper sun
radiant frigate
upper sun
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i actually had to do that once i queued up with a profane lasgun and no talent points

vague musk
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do yall think psionics or siphon is better

long wharf
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depends on what you want to do

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if you're building around an ability that EP affects, try EP

vague musk
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im using lighting and ventign

long wharf
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if you aren't, generally WS, unless you're running gun psyker, then DD

little rapids
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i would only do empowered smite as a fun challenge build tbh

long wharf
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don't build around smite, it's not worthwhile

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unless you're doing it for funsies

little rapids
long wharf
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generally, when someone asks "what's better", they're not building for funsies

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which is why "for funsies" isn't a serious consideration for seeking advice on a build

vague musk
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yeah

vague musk
long wharf
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in other words, there's only one build that seriously uses smite, and that's a soulblaze+smite build

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ugh

little rapids
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then go for it bro

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i disagree tho

long wharf
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the only reason you think smite is good at clearing hordes is because you haven't used any of the other horde clearing options psyker has

upper sun
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im pretty sure assail is faster at clear and cheaper peril wise

long wharf
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after a certain enemy density, purge becomes more efficient at horde clear

vague musk
long wharf
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trauma starts to shine at that same enemy density

long wharf
little rapids
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compared to the staves

long wharf
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or assail

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or horde swords

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literally any weapon that can deal with the horde will clear it faster than smite

little rapids
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i think smite has a purpose as cc in specific situations

long wharf
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absolutely

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to stop a clown car gang from bum-rushing the team

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smite is most effective when you stun and knock down groups of enemies

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instead of making them dance funny for 20 seconds

little rapids
long wharf
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when the AI director spawns 4+ elites at once at you

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and you see them all inside each other as they spread out and approach

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happens regularly heresy+

upper sun
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I like to believe that fatshark as an employee that camps the accounts of everyone who posts here and spawns shit just to fuck with us

little rapids
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least schizophrenic darktide theory

long wharf
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nice thing about that is if you catch them fast enough, you can kill the entire group with a single void or trauma strike

upper sun
little rapids
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You're right sibling

upper sun
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btw i know that the surge staff smite bug isnt worth running

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but does it also activate EP?

radiant frigate
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if i stop slicing the voices get louder

long wharf
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surge staff smite bug was fixed two updates ago

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patch 14 fixed the surge secondary interaction with smite upgrade nodes and EP

upper sun
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eh it was only like 40 damage and no stun

long wharf
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but it was glorious while it worked

radiant frigate
long wharf
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nah, surge staff was doing +125% damage with EP stacks

radiant frigate
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because it was a type of smite

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:)

upper sun
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i meant without ep

long wharf
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and surge was getting a third target (though doing 25% damage to it)

long wharf
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but then, when the entirety of your game logic is in a non-OOD scripting language, it's really hard to find all possible code interactions

vague musk
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still dont know why people hate on smite, i almost always get top ranged damage

wet belfry
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archivium sycorax solo farm

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108925+whatever weapon value got from emperors in 11 minutes

upper sun
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they added solo queue?

wet belfry
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Mods can cheat the system.

upper sun
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damn Id love to be able to use mods 😢

wet belfry
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You want to join me?

upper sun
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im playing other stuff for the moment

tulip kettle
# wet belfry

i thought true solo didnt actually save your progress?

wet belfry
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Its not hosted through solo

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Its hosted through many more try

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Players cannot join a code that has already expireed regardless if it is public or not.

tulip kettle
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ah i see

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so, in theory

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i could spam dreyko using it and no randoms would be put in my game, only those i invite?

wet belfry
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Pretty much

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So long as the code isnt on the board of the public players

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Ex no hab dreyko maps with same modifers

tulip kettle
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awesome

wet belfry
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Its honestly my prefered way of playing when not in vc

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I dont particularly enjoy public matches

torpid girder
wet belfry
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Rather just do a high int damn, slowly move the mission forward at my own pace.

tulip kettle
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i had a lvl 44 in auric damn earlier who went down 7 times before we reached the first airlock

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i got off and have cleaned my whole house, just came back now lol

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frustrating experience to say the least

ebon pawn
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ogryn i played with had the most chad face ever

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chadgryns rare and fine

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🔥

wet belfry
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This was the worst ive seen so far

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I lost a little bit of faith in humanity that day.

wind spruce
wet belfry
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tulip kettle
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he is running invis and killing 73 enemies 😄

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sychorax you can do it

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there is no "survive" sections except waiting for the scribe at the end

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and you can just run a few laps of the play area while you wait

wind spruce
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Ahhh, fair play

wet belfry
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The only enemies that are really dying are ones that are either feeding me invis or specials that have to be dealt with.

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This is the build btw

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Actually i used ordos instead of toughness but i digress

tulip kettle
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so like, 30-40 of that 73 is bot kills as well

wet belfry
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Doubt they kill that many

tulip kettle
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they do kill the first lots of trash

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then the first intense spawn happens and they die

wet belfry
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Bots die really quickly as they get split up

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They begin teleporting to the front zealot and splitting up.

tulip kettle
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they cant tp in combat unless you enter an airlock i thought

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maybe im wrong

red jacinth
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another one :(

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bricked too right?

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3rd today

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this worth rolling?

harsh urchin
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Yar

red jacinth
static needle
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Are FS gonna buff Tac Axes? I feel like they are very underwhelming for killing carapace armor

eager token
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transfer peril isn’t the worst thing in the world

icy harbor
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should I buy from melk?

static needle
icy harbor
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so you would throw it away?

static needle
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but the sword itself isnt really worth using unless u have anything better

icy harbor
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but I thought I only get the blessing for that sword

static needle
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dmg is kinda important for high dmg weapons. Less so for fast firing low dmg stuff

icy harbor
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ok

plucky flax
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I started helldiving.

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You too should do your parts.

upper sun
tulip kettle
red jacinth
wet belfry
red jacinth
#

ig it could be 3/4

tulip kettle
#

put flak and carapace on it and its an amazing staff

wet belfry
#

Hadron keeps bricking knives

tulip kettle
#

flurry and transfer is one of the meta builds for void

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the other being nexus and surge

red jacinth
tulip kettle
#

not so good

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crits alone are only so so on void without surge

#

but flurry transfer is good because the transfer allows you to just keep shooting forever provided you are hitting heads

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and the flurry lets you do that quickly

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nexus with surge is good because you shoot 2 shots every time you crit, making the crits worth it

red jacinth
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i see

radiant frigate
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blazing surge voidstrike

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spread the good word

tulip kettle
#

😄

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problem with blazing on void is you cant apply the fire to anything

tulip kettle
wet belfry
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Lacerate + uncanny. unyielding, flak.

tulip kettle
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i cant personally find any reason to run a knife on psyker

wet belfry
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I dont mind getting maniacs either instead of unyielding.

tulip kettle
#

so my understanding is, lacerate is good because it means stuff still dies when you miss the weakspot, and allows you to kill bosses with the high bleed stacks + unyield

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uncanny means you can actually do something vs armour with the knife

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so if you dont go unyielding you wont get that, and killing ragers etc with a knife is both slow and unsafe. I gotta be honest though im not a knife lover so maybe i just dont understand something about it

wet belfry
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It has to do with mutant BPS

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Mutants are one of the enemys that get hit the most by knife attacks

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faster kills on them is highly benefitical

tulip kettle
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yeah sure

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but at this point why not run a DS?

wet belfry
#

Knife is a much faster weapon

radiant frigate
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personal preference i guess

tulip kettle
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by faster what do you mean?

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the DS 5 and 2 have both mobility and defences

wet belfry
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Im not sure on the exact values on ds vs knife

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but knife is defintely faster then ds4

tulip kettle
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yeah for sure but the DS4 has more dmg but sacrifices mobility

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the 2 and 5 will still 2 hit a mutant

wet belfry
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Ds5 is alright, but i dont think its quite as good.

tulip kettle
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and have pretty much the same mobility as knife

wet belfry
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Ds5 vs knife is just damage values.

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Knife is better vs bosses.

tulip kettle
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right and the DS5 is just higher except bleed stacks vs boss

wet belfry
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Bosses are anyways the things that end runs for psykers.

tulip kettle
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yeah exactly so without unyielding the knife is a wutface

misty cypress
wet belfry
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I usally assume my teammates are dead

tulip kettle
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and then

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catachan swords are much better for soloing every boss that isnt BoN

radiant frigate
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i generally kite and apply brain pops/soulblaze

tulip kettle
#

and knife wont help you vs BoN either

radiant frigate
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(i hate the snail trail)

tulip kettle
little rapids
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I like when the beast of nurgle swallows me

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Anyone else?

tulip kettle
#

NOOO ITS VOMMING ON ME

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NOOOOOO NOW ITS VORING ME AHHHH

radiant frigate
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i like when the beast of nurgle dies :)

tulip kettle
#

at least we can get dome

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dome = BoN 🤡

misty cypress
tulip kettle
#

parry.

misty cypress
#

Ah

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Yes

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Ogryn brain running at 3 fps

tulip kettle
#

😄

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parry just makes fighting Plogryn trivial and cspawn pretty damn ez

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and no weapon will let you solo melee a BoN

misty cypress
#

Ive only used the mark 4, are the others good?

tulip kettle
#

they all have uses

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i think the 4 is the best personally

misty cypress
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I discovered today that I like “reassuringly accurate” over “dum dum” on laspistol

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Helped recover from 1v1s with gunners where they shot first

tulip kettle
#

sounds good, though you ofc lose out on damage in other situations

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if it works for you then its good

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the Mk1 devils claw has 2 horizontal heavies, so is slightly better at horde clearing than the 4

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but you dont get a high damage overhead so will struggle with elites

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the 7 has the overhead heavy second, which i think is just bad

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because if youre hitting overheads you want it to be accessible

wet belfry
#

The real dangerous boss is CS

tulip kettle
#

well, catachan swords makes it relatively easy

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dodge the second attack of the 3 chain combo, dodge back for the grab attack

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no stress

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parry every other attack

radiant frigate
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hmm today i will spam special at bosses and counterstrike them into oblivion

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isn't it weird that the special power of that sword is that you remember how to parry and riposte

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logically speaking there would be nothing stopping you from using that move with other swords

upper sun
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logically speaking there should at least be one single person on the mourningstar that can do one pull up

wet belfry
#

I just assume people need encouragement

spice veldt
#

not in the grimdark future of 40k

wet belfry
#

Like how is a psyker supposed to carry an ogryn up?

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Its just the psyker saying encouraging words to the ogryn to get the ogryn to pull himself up.

upper sun
#

they do have a line saying the ogryn is heavy but it would be funnier if they said YOULL GET RATIONS BACK ON THE SHIP or something

austere crest
#

HELP HELP THE VOICES!

tulip kettle
#

dont lose control sibling!

tulip kettle
mighty fractal
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kind of

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(he's an erotic streamer that kids like to post everywhere)

mighty fractal
#

buzzing.... buzzing...

austere crest
#

god its seemingly impossible to get specific breed callout without actually having a spawn enemy, which sucks. because my character yells BEEST OF NIARGLE so funny i would love that as much as vacuum capsool

tawny pebble
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I hear....the dead...

austere crest
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I'm stoked to have buzzing,buzzing working though

tulip kettle
#

nice!

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next youtube series : Lua coding for fun and my beloved, with Skudie

austere crest
#

Well

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I can probably share how we get there

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and it IS serverside

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the issue is, the second there is more than one player, it gets put on a 3 minute reset

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in solo or befoer people join, u can do it over and over, but the 3min time out explains why you dont always say something while venting

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So the issue with it is, if you hit Buzzing Buzzing on the comm wheel like for the emperor, or keybound it starts that timeout as well, and applies to your normal venting as well, so it becomes a little pointless

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I could definitely make a buzzing/voices VO mod that is only client side, kind of like the "Help" call out in for the emperor (your teammates dont hear that one) thats why i made a "Help or I'll fall" option instead on mine

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its really funny if a seer psyker is with me when i yell it, because he will go "My sibling is Danglingggg" as an automatic response

mighty fractal
#

lmao

upper sun
#

is shred for dclaw worth picking up?

mighty fractal
#

Reminds me of how you could force other characters to respond to your voice spam in L4D

stone totem
mighty fractal
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Yeah

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There's a TON of dialogue in that game that never got used

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it's kind of absurd

stone totem
#

A LOT specifically about boats iirc

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And also the death screams

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Love muh death screams

frail pewter
#

does wildfire do anything if Im running purg staff?

upper sun
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NV had screams spesifically set for being set on fire but they were so horrifying they got removed

frail pewter
#

or is not generally not worth it?

mighty fractal
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But yeah, Nick and Rochelle especially had a ton of cut lines that expanded on their characters iirc

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speaking of falling screams

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and falling

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there's nothing quite like a silent burster exploding and knocking two people off a ledge

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and neither character attempts to even grab the ledge

tulip kettle
upper sun
tulip kettle
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is it shared across all the peril voice lines?

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so "buzzing, buzzing" shares the cd with "such power" or "i cant control it"?

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i wanted to se if i could get "such power" to trigger on smite

upper sun
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i dont mind the reparative lines on ults or kills or something 90% of the time im too focused to even notice them

tulip kettle
#

awwwww maaayyynneeee

austere crest
#

it basically puts a timer on "combat-ability"

upper sun
#

the dialogue lines tho can get a bit repetative since fucking everyone runs loose cannon vet

austere crest
#

and then contextually, combat-ability indexes venting

upper sun
tulip kettle
#

im the guy whos always crying about cadia

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worth it just for the "FOR CREED!!" shout

upper sun
#

The cadian vet has like 2 lines

tulip kettle
upper sun
#

the female one has like 1

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AMMO?!

tulip kettle
#

he just doesnt talk much

upper sun
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ptsd huh

tulip kettle
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and does like to favour a few of the lines

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but ive heard some pretty great lore lines from him

austere crest
#

this is with all our notes and stuff from making the vo callback

upper sun
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i love the triality of vets one is in love with psykers one hates them and one is just angry

austere crest
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but the reason why vet and then ogryn/zealot can - they dont have quell mechanic

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its bc its directly tied to the ultimate

long wharf
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"triality"?

upper sun
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you know what i mean

tulip kettle
#

like duality but with 3, duh 😄

austere crest
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if you are on ogryn or zealot, and under something thats forcing you to squat, it wont actually let you ult, but you can keep hitting the ultimate and yelling and yelling

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very funny

tulip kettle
#

oh now thats hawt

austere crest
#

with bully voice

tulip kettle
#

is it storing the "time since venting" variable client side?

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(i learn OOP in c# a decade ago and never touched coding since go easy on me)

long wharf
#

likely not

austere crest
#

nope that is the backwards learning notes of figuring out the structure

#

backend*

long wharf
#

it's probably playing the sound client-side and waiting for the server to send back the ability activation

austere crest
#

anything orange is my partner and i making notes lol

tulip kettle
#

yeah i assumed orange was comments

austere crest
#

its the other way, the event triggers the dialogue dialogue is on timer

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so its sending the trigger of dialog each time, its just going off based on if available

tulip kettle
#

okay i actually followed that

austere crest
#

we were able to make the dialogue event/context however that is exactly when we ran into the timeout

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ledge hanging? much simpler:

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i can also get the player being thrown screams working, but its client side :/

long wharf
#

all playing of audio should be client-side

austere crest
#

i literally just want to run around being a freak talking to myself

austere crest
long wharf
#

because inter-player dialog/conversations are sync'd, it makes sense for that to be triggered server-side

austere crest
#

but thats not as fun

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we want it to create the event, so it triggers on syncd players sides too

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its kind of where the framework comes to play with the darktide local server

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conceptually would be possible to write code to sync with a separate piece, and if you have that piece it triggers, but thats getting into the weeds,

#

so vacuum capsule lol

little rapids
#

is this worth trying to build

#

i have blazing spirit III

long wharf
#

yeah, it's worth playing with, though those perks are unfortunate

little rapids
#

Sadge

long wharf
#

that may not be the staff to play with

little rapids
long wharf
#

well, before you do anything

#

soulblaze hits body armor

little rapids
#

hmm flak then

long wharf
#

which means the best perk is +flak

little rapids
#

flak over weak spot

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ok

long wharf
#

no

#

you do want +crit chance

little rapids
#

but i cant do 2 perks

long wharf
#

but you also want +flak

little rapids
#

only one :(

long wharf
#

that's why I said that staff isn't the one to play with

#

save your resources, strip nexus4 off, and try again

little rapids
#

i need a guide for the brunt bossfight

long wharf
#

"have a lot of dockets"

#

there you go.

#

don't upgrade anything that is lower than base modifiers of 360

#

and doesn't have favorable point distribution for the modifiers themselves

little rapids
#

yeah i do radius max right

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dump peril stats

long wharf
#

if you're chasing blessings, don't upgrade past blue unless you have a lot of spare resources

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otherwise, you'll know by purple if it's worth upgrading to orange

#

check the Psyker Atheneum for meta builds

little rapids
#

okay

long wharf
#

and perk/blessing priorities for weapons

#

Pygex does a good job of keeping it up to date

little rapids
#

thank you @near wyvern

#

<3

long wharf
little rapids
#

do they get annoyed by pings

#

whoops

long wharf
#

it's safe to assume everybody does until that person tells you otherwise

little rapids
#

really

#

i usually assume the opposite

long wharf
#

generally bad discord etiquette to ping unnecessarily

#

problem #1 is you assumed

little rapids
#

assumptions are required for everything

long wharf
#

they are not.

little rapids
#

wellll

#

its a big philosophy thing

long wharf
#

it's common sense.

#

educated guess != assumption

potent zenith
#

for soulblaze fun, do i replace cara with maniac or crit chance?

long wharf
#

if you want to focus on blazing spirit, you want shred on there

#

or slaughterer

potent zenith
#

yeah, i plan on swapping executor with shred

long wharf
#

problem with blazing spirit on Illisi is that you're going to be killing everything you're trying to soulblaze

potent zenith
#

unless it's those heafty maulers that surprise spawn out of thin air

#

i heard cara is useless with soulblaze, so would i swap it for flak or maniac?

long wharf
#

flak

potent zenith
#

kk

inland snow
#

does slaughterer iv exist? 🥺

little rapids
#

ye i got it by accident

vocal cliff
#

Nope, figurative of imagination

little rapids
#

Yes, ideally <20% damage to maximize usage of blazing spirit

marble crater
#

Actually? hmmnoted

little rapids
#

no wtf

#

i hope youre joking

#

i was joking

#

dont trust internet strangers like that

wet belfry
#

Play ogryn and piggy back psyker on the ogryns back.

#

Then have the psyker throw out warp fire with soulblaze

little rapids
wet belfry
#

Ogryn soulfire build op?

marble crater
#

I was joking, but I wasn't sure if you continued my joke or not, I haven't played blaze illisi yet KEKW_ogryn

marble crater
#

Now I want to try blaze trauma and blaze illisi for the memes

#

Which staff would be good to pair with blaze illisi? Surge?

austere crest
#

chillin

limber silo
#

power stim give a very solid 15 seconds of Scrier's Gaze w/o hitting a single enemy vs it's normal 12

#

In case you need gaze up for more time

#

keep in mind this is with -5% peril gen from the tree

lyric burrow
limber silo
#

If you want to play funny flame sword, might I suggest you take PC in the tree instead?

#

And replace BS with Uncanny for better results. Basically the same thing except way better

#

We need more force melees other than force sword tbh

#

I'm kinda tired for FS atm

lyric burrow
#

yeah i am hoping we get something at some point

#

we have DS too now at least

limber silo
#

yeah, but DS isn't a force weapon

#

As much fun as it is I am genuinely bored of our weapon choices, especially melee

#

Gimme force hammers and force rods. Hell if they really want to spoil us, give us Daemonhammers

wet belfry
#

Psyker hasnt gotten any new weapons tied to them in atleast 6 months if not more.

limber silo
#

hey we got a shitty laspistol and revolver...

wet belfry
#

pretty much

shadow quail
#

Content drip on this game is so bad

limber silo
#

Our options for non-unique additonal weapons are: 1 Chainsword, 1 Knife, 2 Shredders, 1 Laspistol, and 1 Revolver. So I'm hopeful.

#

They are running out of weapons to just make variants of for us

spice veldt
#

and one day, they'll make a staff variant

limber silo
#

Ah yes, I can't wait for BIG fire staff and little fire staff

torpid girder
#

Psyker ice staff that freezes enemimes!! idc if there are already alternatives and probably wouldn't be practical i think it sounds cool :)

lyric burrow
#

i think in warhammer most things exist

#

to my knowledge

limber silo
#

Ice abilities seem to be lacking in the psyker department though

#

As far as I'm aware, there are no ice related warp powers

limber silo
#

although beam staff is definitely a thing

vague musk
#

what melee is best at fighting a single target

limber silo
#

probably duelling sword or deimos

#

chainswords are good too

little rapids
dim parrot
little rapids
#

just curious what difficulty u play on darkness

#

also i dont think smite is bad

#

but i think people are right when they say you shouldnt build around it

vague musk
little rapids
#

auric?

limber silo
#

Probably at the demand of Games Workshopp

little rapids
#

honestly i believe any build can work in any difficulty if you do well enough anyways

#

if you enjoy it dont let anyone stop you

spice veldt
#

i despise the design of smite and how pub players use it, though i do think it's strong

little rapids
#

but dont try to convince ppl about it if they disagree

dim parrot
little rapids
#

i want a staff that shoots bullets

limber silo
wet belfry
# vague musk damnation

Dont spam smite unendlessly throughout the entire mission, as it is annoying for melee characters. It doesnt allow enemies to group up, instead the melee characters will slowly have to walk up to seperate horde enemies to clear them up. DPS wise this build also just sucks. Smite can barely kill groaners let alone any elites. So an endless spam smite user will tank their teams damage, while not contributing a whole lot themselves. Thereby the comment "Smite psyker dont contribute anything".

limber silo
#

I think there could be a melee weapon that emulates the Iron Arm ability. Make a melee staff with an activation that turns your fists into metal

dim parrot
#

oof dual metal fists would be kinda sick ngl

limber silo
#

For real. Imagine the psyker of all classes just duking it out with the heretics

austere crest
#

but funny flame sword most fun with BS, PC, WF!

limber silo
#

As of right now, we have Trauma (Shockwave), Surge (Smite, lol), Purge (Flame Breath), and Voidstrike (generic psybolt)

austere crest
#

i cant believe u downplayed those

#

theyre all great, we just need more

lyric burrow
#

i do like all the psyker weapons except obscurus ig

#

but yeah just need more

limber silo
#

IMO we could get a iron arm, fire shield, mollten beam, and crush staves

austere crest
#

obscurus is fun if u just really stick with it and get the flow, its just, wrong feeling for a while

limber silo
lyric burrow
#

yeah it just feels awkward now that im so used to illisi/deimos

#

that do not require brainpower

limber silo
#

Oh yeah VORTEX OF DOOM staff

austere crest
#

is the electrical charge a joke in warhammer? like its not as strong? asking bc darktide is my intro to it

limber silo
#

wdym?

austere crest
#

with surge you had the lol, is it not actually canon to the lore

limber silo
#

I said smite lol because we have Smite the blitz and Smite the staff

austere crest
#

ah

#

very diff tho

lyric burrow
#

yeah they did make them different

spice veldt
#

i would definitely downplay psyker's staffs because of how boring they are

austere crest
#

what does it do in lore

limber silo
spice veldt
#

it's the magic class and we get boring implementations of how the staffs could be

austere crest
#

They arent boring you are just playing boring XD

limber silo
limber silo
spice veldt
#

i mean i've tried my hand with them and I can certainly make them fun, but that doesn't take away from the fact that I have to actively go out of my way to make them fun

austere crest
lyric burrow
limber silo
spice veldt
#

e.g., purg's RMB being absolutely braindead, trauma having a stupid amount of free boring CC, surge being a boring auto-aim single-target weapon, and i hate slow firing projectile weapons so voidstrike gets a low opinion from me

austere crest
limber silo
#

Electricity is pretty deadly. I've seen a guy touch a live wire and have his wrist explode

austere crest
spice veldt
#

i mean i also play the other classes and came back to psyker and still hated the staffs

austere crest
#

ohhh

#

i thought u mean people can make beams come from their hands im an idiot

limber silo
#

Lol nope

limber silo
#

I can if I have wool socks on

austere crest
#

Things like deflector and such

spice veldt
#

true, i'm tempted to say that deflector should be removed so that it isn't a noob trap

austere crest
#

yeah

lyric burrow
#

yeah ive never liked deflectors design

limber silo
#

Deflector is a noob trap, but it is not a bad blessing

austere crest
#

dont catch bullets, DODGE/SLIDE THEM XD

limber silo
#

fr

spice veldt
#

yeah it's a good blessing

#

though the core issue is just a shitty tutorial

austere crest
#

maybe if it was only T4

limber silo
#

People just rely on it instead of positioning

spice veldt
#

so i'm fine with it existing

austere crest
#

positioning is absolutely everything in darktide, power levels dont matter so much

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i think ive been playing too agressive the past few days. it hasnt been detrimental to me or team, but i can feel when i'm not being patient

lyric burrow
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honestly i find aggro play to work better than more slow play, assuming everyone can play at the same pace

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when i do slow play with pubs we just get caught up in shit

austere crest
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same

lyric burrow
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stuff builds up and whatnot

dim parrot
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same

austere crest
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i just feel myself wanting to push faster than they can

lyric burrow
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which is also like a dps check thing

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where not everyone can blast everything

grizzled hearth
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aggro is fine as long as you aren't sprinting ahead and pulling every enemy on the map alone

austere crest
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so i like find a table to stand on and let them kill for a little

dim parrot
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which is why being able to communicate with people is nice

grizzled hearth
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nothing is more painful than a team who refuses to move on without killing every last specialist, which are spawning because you're taking too long to move on

lyric burrow
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yeah

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happens in events

austere crest
lyric burrow
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where people just get caught fighting forever and you get overwhelmed after trying to do obj for 20 minutes

grizzled hearth
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yep

austere crest
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it starts to feel like a rollercoaster sometimes and tunnel vision just happens

lyric burrow
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yeah i can only get so mad at people

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like i get it

grizzled hearth
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had a guy yell at me and my friend when we didn't stick around after the hack in Chasm Terminus to kill every last poxwalker, as he sat there killing trappers and dogs til one got him

spice veldt
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i accept my fate cuz it's a pub

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if i wanted a good game i would've made a premade

lyric burrow
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yeah sometimes people i know arent on sadly

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and i am in the mood to purge the heretics

austere crest
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but my ahead tends to be loops , i end up cleaning up the back and going back to the front or jsut find something to investigate nearby

grizzled hearth
lyric burrow
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good idea

dim parrot
lyric burrow
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arco its time

spice veldt
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wtf

spice veldt
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infinite horde mode when so that it teaches players to fight and move at the same time

grizzled hearth
lyric burrow
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smite psykers are the worst about it for sure

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they will smite like 2 poxwalkers instead of moving up

austere crest
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we look back and they are still somewhere far behind just holding walkers in place

grizzled hearth
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I've come to hate smykers more and more and I feel kinda bad about it sometimes

lyric burrow
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like bro you brought illisi

austere crest
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OR TRAUMA OR VOID

dim parrot
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are there any benefits in killing everything? can u even kill anything or do only specialists spawn at some point?

grizzled hearth
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had a smyker who was only using smite, I was playing ogryn

austere crest
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they always have a great staff lol

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and then dont use it at all

grizzled hearth
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actually tanking my horde clear by refusing to let them group up

spice veldt
grizzled hearth
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didn't kill a single sniper or bomber, and we got pushed into a corner

austere crest
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yeah i never say anything

lyric burrow
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they are vibing it just makes so sense to me

spice veldt
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i just treat smite like a skiwer purg and leave them alone in the back if they're smiting a pure horde

vague musk
austere crest
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i just start treating them like my lil sibling i gotta look out for

lyric burrow
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i dont say anything obv its not that serious

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but babysitting them can get old

spice veldt
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we're not denying that it helps in those instances

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we're complaining about smite psykers that are just doing it on groups of enemies where the quantity/density doesn't warrant it

austere crest
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i usualy look at blitzes as used in the same places for diff reasons alot

grizzled hearth
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I feel bad, because smiting a horde on occasion to knock them down or give the team some breathing room is genuinely useful

austere crest
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if u have two poxwalkers, brain burst is a pointless option, just like smite

grizzled hearth
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it's just the constant use that is awful

torpid girder
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i feel like not enough smite psykers use smite to just stun them for a sec and then just knock them down and switch to their staff more i think

spice veldt
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if only smite was more of a combo weapon

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it even has the Enfeeble upgrade node

lyric burrow
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wait arco are you playing or just checking stuff

spice veldt
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am playing

austere crest
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it should reallyt just be a quick stun, +10 damage hits, then destroy

lyric burrow
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may i invade

spice veldt
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no i invaded first

lyric burrow
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ty

spice veldt
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yeah i wish the RMB was a more interesting stun

grizzled hearth
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smite and creeping flames is not bad for horde clear, but horde clear is easy to come by

lyric burrow
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yeah the LMB vs RMB is wack

spice veldt
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lower range, shorter duration, and more limited than what we currently have

torpid girder
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Imagine if smite was an instant AOE stun ability where a psyker could just press G on a cooldown and enemies in front of them get smited like a secondary ult

spice veldt
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and pertaining to the fist melee psyker discussion above

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i really want the LMB to be some lightning punch or something

grizzled hearth
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I'd like to see smite have the ability to group enemies a bit

spice veldt
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make smite a melee-themed blitz that you can swap to for some purpose in melee

grizzled hearth
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not just knock them down where they stand, but towards the center

austere crest
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as someone whos never used smite, what is the diff between LMB and RMB on it?

lyric burrow
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ones meant to do more damage i think

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but like

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it doesnt

spice veldt
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in prior discussions, other people brought up stuff like smite dragging enemies forward or whatnot

lyric burrow
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less CCish

hexed geyser
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If smite would just slow the ennemies (and do something better in exchange) instead of locking down everything it would fix it a bit

lyric burrow
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but i do want a melee blitz