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#psyker-class
tulip kettle
jaunty tiger
you know he's just egging you on right lol
rotund fable
I stepped in to say that it was POSSIBLE to avoid a single specific attack string from the chaos spawn while limited to the blitz dodges, with the caveat that the timing needed to do so was specific. Aside from that i do agree with you on it being near impossible to do so without swapping between weapons.
hushed egret
this is the largest obstacle yes, but it is still enough if you use your dodges right
jaunty tiger
this is why you shouldn't act like a child 😔
jaunty tiger
this is the largest obstacle yes, but it is still enough if you use your dodges ...
can you record it?
tulip kettle
No, he cant
jaunty tiger
i think that's the easiest way to settle it
hushed egret
I could but I'm not on Darktide right now and you wouldnt believe my clips anyways lol
jaunty tiger
i entertained the idea enough to try it myself
rotund fable
same
jaunty tiger
just couldn't do it is all
wasn't the dodge limit, but after the initial combo, it likes to run up and i cant make distance
that's all I wanted to see really
hushed egret
and I'd be relying solely on chance for a wild chaos spawn to appear, and being a good enough situation that I can actually demonstrate because realistically I'm facing an entire horde at the same time so I'm not holding my blitz out lmao
hushed egret
ye
tulip kettle
This is part of my argument, you can't do it in game
hushed egret
I just reliably outdistance half of a spawns attacks using a combination of dodge and slide
tulip kettle
Because there are other enemies
And AGAIN
You do not have the ability to generate enough distance
You just dont
vestal fulcrum
In any case, do you know what the Athaneum is now?
hushed egret
you havent mentioned other enemies up until this point and context can make anything true in this game so it's useless to debate on that front anyways
tulip kettle
Maybe with a knife or DS, or on another class
hushed egret
I do it with dclaw and staff every time a chaos spawn targets me
hushed egret
and smite that I'm actually using
hushed egret
Yes, dclaw
shit mobility and I'm not parrying half the time because I outdistance the attack I try to parry
hushed egret
And smite doesn't work on monsters
I fucking know but you missed the point
jaunty tiger
actually
i think
if you face away
you can dodge/sprint away from all attacks
but
i dont see when you'd have the chance to attack with BB
tulip kettle
In any case, do you know what the Athaneum is now?
You wouldn't 🙂
Oh sry wrong reply
chrome dust
You could dodge it with verticality
vestal fulcrum
I certainly wouldn’t 
tulip kettle
But kjerad, I'm talking about the guy arguing with me
rotund fable
You're an actual noob.
Ok, if you're constantly going to resort to insults while trying to have a debate, your credibility goes down significantly... can we try to be civil here?
chrome dust
But why would you bb solo a boat instead of just meleeing it
vestal fulcrum
I’m jesting, don’t mind me for now
tulip kettle
It's not a debate
I am stating a fact
I invited a post of proof to the contrary
It is not forthcoming
upper sun
But why would you bb solo a boat instead of just meleeing it
penance prolly
chrome dust
If you have a staircase you can run up and then jump back down it’s doable
It will just take forever
hushed egret
takes time and you're a child I dokt care to entertain any longer regardless
tulip kettle
Yeah terrain abuse makes it doable but that's terrain abuse
hushed egret
you literally provided no evidence yourself
tulip kettle
There's sections on maps that monsters can't path through
chrome dust
Then why did you say it’s impossible
rotund fable
But why would you bb solo a boat instead of just meleeing it
Basically there is a penance for killing a monster with 90% of the damage being from brain-burst
jaunty tiger
its possible to dodge everything if you face away
at least
i just dodged the full combo with sprint/sliding facing away
just having to slow down and BB would get you hit
chrome dust
Just don’t do it on a chaos spawn that is hard to kill with bb
tulip kettle
You could just walk in and out of one of the doors and hold a boss doing nothing forever
And this was my overall point, which you can see above
Take bubble, find beast of nurgle
chrome dust
I did on on the ogryn iirc
tulip kettle
And you just stand there bursting and laughing as the beast looks at you uselessly
rotund fable
My argument was "Just get an ogryn friend to stun-lock it with slaps or draw aggro with taunt-shout"
tulip kettle
Also a strong choice
But I'm being told you can just solo the spawn with only your blitz by dodging it's 4 attacks with your 3 short dodge charges and no ability to block
chrome dust
My argument is that it’s a garbage penance
tulip kettle
Very strong argument, no notes
chrome dust
Most of the vet ones were fine
upper sun
why would someone make an achievement that is so disruptive to the game
tulip kettle
And doesn't require any private games
chrome dust
I like how they acknowledged their penances are a fucking dumpster fire
rotund fable
why would someone make an achievement that is so disruptive to the game
To be fair, that specific one requires a private game, so it's not as disruptive as it could be.
chrome dust
But instead of fixing them they made them harder to do by forcing them to private only
upper sun
Next psyker penance SURRENDER TO THE VOID "HAVE 4 PSYKERS IN YOUR TEAM ALL DIE TO WARP PERILS at the same time then quit the game"
rotund fable
Well, there is a penance for killing 3 elites when you die to perils...
rigid sky
Well, there is a penance for killing 3 elites when you die to perils...
It's just 1 now
But that one was a nightmare
zinc phoenix
It started at 5
rotund fable
runs in and explodes all over the mauler squad
rigid sky
I did it with 3 shotgunners in Comm-Plex, like 90% of people
My hands were shaking because I was sure I would fuck up the timing
zinc phoenix
I got it with ragers because I am not babby
upper sun
Well, there is a penance for killing 3 elites when you die to perils...
i got that by accident tbh
zinc phoenix
i got that by accident tbh
Average psyker moment 😂
chrome dust
I also got it by accident
upper sun
pretty sure i got more than one
muted obsidian
Isn't it just one elite now? They changed it a while back
upper sun
i also spammed the chat with Emperor AKBAR
tulip kettle
Hardest psyker Penance is cliffhanger imo
chrome dust
I was trying to save a teammate and overcharged
upper sun
Hardest psyker Penance is cliffhanger imo
also got it by accident somehow
chrome dust
Funny thing is that it did indeed save them
tulip kettle
Or that 300 sec warp charge one if you're trying to do it now instead of a year ago like lucky ol' me
rotund fable
I got it by accident on an auric run... there were a lot of crushers on fire... and me going boom saved the ogryn who was grabbed by a dog.
tulip kettle
It took me weeks of actually trying to get cliffhanger before I got it when I re-rolled a psyker and was lvl 10 with a trashy trauma on that one map with the bridges to the control room at the end
chrome dust
The only time I’ve purposely blown myself up was in a crusher mixed horde when all three teammates got dogged nearish me and I was already at 100%
upper sun
you gotta do what you gotta do
chrome dust
If it works it works
rotund fable
It took me weeks of actually trying to get cliffhanger before I got it when I re...
I just used a force sword and camped a bridge...
tulip kettle
I just kept getting 6, was frustrating. Everybody kills stuff too quickly. Re-rolled a psyker and got it my first game on that map lol
jaunty tiger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DBs6Cx_KFc
seems possible to dodge at least, just don't see a window of opportuntiy to channel bb
tulip kettle
Also got to solo a plogryn with the starting dclaw at lvl 6 in front of the dead, chat flaming, lvl 60 vet which was satisfying. Very ez to solo plogryn with dclaw though...
jaunty tiger
i guess you could do it during the double slam
would take years to dothough
ya
i guess you could slide/dodge away cconstantly until double slam
get close to bait grab
and BB during that double slam grab window
jus twould take very good play and a lot o ftime
tulip kettle
You started out of its range though, used sprint slide away, and it didn't do the correct attack chain
jaunty tiger
that's because you make a lot of distance with sprint/sliding
jaunty tiger
so it interrupts the chain
well you pointed it out so i answered why lol
but yeah
i guess you'd close back in whenever you see it double slam after a 3hit combo
to bait grab on purpose
then BB
then slide/sprint away for distance again
would be tedious as fuck though
tulip kettle
Yeah I'm just saying this is barely possible in psykanium with no adds
jaunty tiger
well ok
tulip kettle
To avoid it one time
jaunty tiger
the leaping doesnt make a difference
that's just the spawn range, if i spawn it close or far
i did it when it did the leap as well
the leap pushes youa way
so it actually kinda
helps?
lol
well in a psykarium simulation
might throw you in a corner in a real game
tulip kettle
The leap also breaks your toughness
And also, the one time it was in rage at the combo start
Range*
It hit you and you lost half your hp immediately then ended the video
I'm not flaming youz thanks for posting
tulip kettle
But you just proved the point that it is not possible to do in an actual game
As opposed to lvl 30 Xbox psyker saying he does it all the time
jaunty tiger
i think "in a real game" is not a particularly useful metric
i mean in a real game you can abuse that one double sided elevator
and have it run 10 miles to try to get at you every time you walk through an elevator door
jaunty tiger
real areas are also not empty stretches of space that favor the spawn as well tbf
either way I just tested out of curiosity anyway
tulip kettle
On smelter you just walk back and forward 1m and all the monsters ignore you
And yeah, terrain in game easier
Lag much harder
It's easier to solo a spawn in psyk than in game
Opposite for plogryn
Easier to solo plogryn in game than psyk cos of lag comp
tulip kettle
What's to agree with?
jaunty tiger
well, plogryn is a joke anyway if you're talking about a 1v1 so i don't really notice a meaningful difference in difficulty
tulip kettle
The plogryn has lag comp in game, the spawn does not
jaunty tiger
i dont really notice a difference for either anyway
magic hull
siblings, best blessing for laspistol?
tulip kettle
Meaning latency can make it physically impossible to dodge the spawn grab attack online
Laspistol needs dumdum
chrome dust
Dumdum with ghost imo
magic hull
whats ghost description?
tulip kettle
I prefer infernus personally
jaunty tiger
dodge ranged attacks on weakspot hit
magic hull
invulnerable? im guessing
jaunty tiger
infernus is pretty useless last I tried it (on vet)
magic hull
I prefer infernus personally
people say infernus is dogshit here last time i checked
jaunty tiger
then again I just didn't like the weapon much in general tbh
tulip kettle
Oh it is
But all the blessings except dumdum are trash on laspistol
At least on psyker you can get a reasonable crit rate to apply the burning up to 12 stacks on maulers and flak ragers
But yeah, laspistol generally poopy
And I don't think any blessings will be that noticeable besides dumdum so at least the DoT does something
It's trash still because 12 stack cap and no +crit blessings
chrome dust
Id usually take raking fire over infernus personally
magic hull
But yeah, laspistol generally poopy
@feral verge is laspistol poopy?
jaunty tiger
ghost was a lot more useful when it reid it
chrome dust
Las pistol is great lmao
magic hull
last i heard this guy wiped the floor on mally with las pistol
magic hull
forgot the blessing he recommended tho
chrome dust
I like it on vet
jaunty tiger
a lot of people swear by it in vet chat evven too
so it might just be a
skill issue
on my part
magic hull
we all have it
chrome dust
Old las pistol is one of my favorite guns on vet
jaunty tiger
I guess i just didn't understand the appeal compared
felt like the bps weren't very good for the fire rate
was using the heavier version tbf
chrome dust
They are with deadshot
chrome dust
And the faster firing one feels better to me
jaunty tiger
is how i felt
chrome dust
But I don’t mind super high rate single firing guns
jaunty tiger
cause even the heavier one doesnt oneshot
so multiple rounds needed
maybe ill build the faste rone and see how i feel again
chrome dust
Spam those heads
tulip kettle
Don't disagree with any of these takes
I think raking fire is pretty low value on not vet as it's harder to get behind stuff
jaunty tiger
zealot?
tulip kettle
I think all of the blessings are low value except dumdum
chrome dust
My sweatiest vet build is ps6 with high fire rate las pistol
tulip kettle
But, I don't see the niche for laspistol on gunker really
jaunty tiger
rashad/v3 is my sweatiest since I dont play plasma/volver
tulip kettle
If you can reach one shot with SG and DD maybe it's better than I thought
chrome dust
That said, definitely take raking fire or ghost imo
tulip kettle
But the heavy one has actually bad ammo economy even then so I'm not sure
chrome dust
For either boss damage or better anti-gunner
tulip kettle
Ghost I can see value Vs shooter and gunners spam
Raking fire I don't see you getting use out of it
magic hull
whats ideal perks for laspistol
chrome dust
Dumdum ghost imo
chrome dust
Oh yeah sorry
tulip kettle
Flak required
chrome dust
Flakiac yeah
magic hull
👍
tulip kettle
MAYBE you can reach 1 shots on trash with infested
hushed egret
rashad/v3 is my sweatiest since I dont play plasma/volver
shit ton of crit damage. that's laspistols niche, and Psyker has disrupt destiny so you can do some serious damage with it
chrome dust
Why bother with trash
tulip kettle
But I havent tested that
jaunty tiger
i dont think its a weapon you're supposed to be shooting at horde
tulip kettle
Why bother with laspistol lol
hushed egret
it isnt a horde weapon yeah
chrome dust
Las pistol is great
hushed egret
single target
tulip kettle
Killing everything slower than other options?
hushed egret
as long as it isnt carapace
chrome dust
Anti ranged units on a melee build
magic hull
Why bother with laspistol lol
because i want to change playstyle and not stick to 4 staffs repeatedly.
hushed egret
melts pretty much anything if you build into it
jaunty tiger
Anti ranged units on a melee build
stability is dump right
hushed egret
yeah
chrome dust
Sure
magic hull
on a quick ques, has there anyone reaching true level +1000
tulip kettle
Yes
magic hull
must be some no life ammount of time spent i imagine
hushed egret
also laspistol has great ammo economy for its damage output, so even if it does less damage than other options, it has more uptime which is definitely worth considering
tulip kettle
I'm... Just not seeing this
Can you give any examples?
Like, laspistol for fun off meta? Sure
hollow jolt
The new heavy laspistol or the old one?
tulip kettle
But I think it's just strictly worse than other options
hollow jolt
But I think it's just strictly worse than other options
Especially for your fingers UwU
hushed egret
The new heavy laspistol or the old one?
either or
magic hull
The new heavy laspistol or the old one?
some prefer the new one
hushed egret
Can you give any examples?
idk what you mean by this tbh. I've told you its advantages and that it might be off meta but meta doesnt have to be followed, especially in this game where 80% of your options are well balanced
tulip kettle
The heavy one is definitely not good, I have at least tested it a bit
hollow jolt
some prefer the new one
Indeed, the new one seems to be for more "consistent" damage if you don't hit the head
jaunty tiger
in theory you can stay very mobile
since you outrun melee and are immune to ranged
but i just couldn't get it in practice
tulip kettle
It needs more than half the mag to kill one mauler
hollow jolt
The heavy one is definitely not good, I have at least tested it a bit
I agree with that, its just strictly worse than the MG La. Though I do like its dodges
The lack of comparable blessings to stuff like Headhunter makes laspistols very sad
hushed egret
idk how exactly the 2 and X pistols stack against each other
but I was able to put in good work with the X, so if 2 is better then 2 is most certainly great
hollow current
scriers dd laspistol is goat
hushed egret
that
need to build for it. right tree is designed for laspistol builds
that's why it's the starter psyker weapon 
hollow jolt
The problem is that the question of "why not just a normal las rifle" is ever-present
magic hull
the ogs
hollow current
columnus does more damage if you can get it on target but laspistol insta swap is baller asf.
also force push that goes through walls lol
hushed egret
The problem is that the question of "why not just a normal las rifle" is ever-pr...
normal lasrifle doesnt have high crit modifiers
or shove on special
hollow jolt
normal lasrifle doesnt have high crit modifiers
Headhunter + "100% crit damage on weakspot" blessing
Crit modifier found
hushed egret
look at what lasrifle needs to mimick a fraction of laspistols crit mod
hushed egret
critical weakspot damage on laspistol is 4x the weapons base damage
basic crit is 3x
hollow jolt
I wouldn't sleep on the crit MG La builds
hushed egret
no blessing required either, that mod is literally built in
hollow jolt
Especially with their high base damage
hollow jolt
they do have absolutely shit flak pen though
jaunty tiger
looks like im coping with unarmored
hushed egret
~~they do have absolutely shit flak pen though~~
it's solid on flak
hollow jolt
https://i.gyazo.com/f4b79d63a28d3f701f9c47e8041f1ae2.jpg
Think of it this way, fuck Dreg Gunners
hollow jolt
it's solid on flak
Was talking about MG La
hushed egret
oh
hushed egret
whats mg la?
jaunty tiger
the lasguns are absolutely atrocious on flak yeah
hushed egret
recon?
hollow jolt
whats mg la?
One of Infantry Lasguns
hushed egret
ah
tulip kettle
https://i.gyazo.com/f4b79d63a28d3f701f9c47e8041f1ae2.jpg
Now that laspistol looks like about as good as it gets
hollow jolt
Indeed
tulip kettle
And still I'm there like
hollow jolt
Hadron finally opened her eyes to make that one
tulip kettle
So what's it actually for
hushed egret
not entirely sure how lasrifles stack against flak but the laspistol does well. maybe semi-suboptimally, but still good
proven crest
it murders anything it headshots and makes you immune to an entire damage type
hollow jolt
not entirely sure how lasrifles stack against flak but the laspistol does well. ...
Due to crits having their own rending, they're not that bad when they do crit
proven crest
the "what's it good for" thing confuses me
hollow jolt
But still pain
hushed egret
So what's it actually *for*
it's liked you havent been reading 
killing "that guy in particular" (as long as it isnt carapace) with great ammo efficiency
proven crest
good mobility, plenty of ammo, fast reloads
hushed egret
it may not be top of its class, but it's definitely worth using. every weapon has tradeoffs though
proven crest
can't be suppressed or knocked back
proven crest
laspistols don't get super suppressed anyways
so you can usually manage to get that first headshot under fire to stabilize
chrome dust
looks like im coping with unarmored
Not ideal but it should work
hollow jolt
3k materials down the drain
You get used to it
jaunty tiger
now i dropped 2k plasteel to try fast one
chrome dust
And yeah deadshot is great on it for sure
proven crest
yeah, i'd prefer chonky one if it didn't bounce stupidly
magic hull
You get used to it
yeah lets just hope i dont get this desperate
proven crest
fast one just feels very good to use
proven crest
i use the chonky one on weapon specialist builds to cope with revolver magnitism
the difference between bodyshots and crit headshots on the laspistol is like
chrome dust
I’d rather use a shotgun or revolver with weapon specialist
jaunty tiger
Not ideal but it should work
and yeah i figured
proven crest
legit 700 damage
magic hull
play a couple high intensity dam and youll get it back thi
proven crest
laspistol weapon specialist is absolutely incorrect compared to shotgun or revolver
chrome dust
The main purpose is ranged units anyways, elites are secondary
magic hull
its not like tou take 2 days to farm it
proven crest
but revolver feels like cheating to me, so i try not to use it
jaunty tiger
i ahve other weapons im working on
i still need headtaker 4 for my rashads
and i want to make fanfire revolver for fun
chrome dust
Fanfire is my favorite gun in the game, but make sure to use it on vet
It’s not the best, just my favorite
jaunty tiger
it feels like
my old build on zarona
so i like it too
i used to run speedload instead of surgical lmoa
for the super fast reloads
chrome dust
The original revolver is overall better
proven crest
fanfire revolver confuses me like laspistol does for some people i guess
i think i just need a mindset shift
chrome dust
I run it with hand cannon and trick shooter
On deadshot vet
Weapon specialist for anti elite, tag ult for anti boss
proven crest
i try to do fancy precision stuff with it, but i think the actual play is just to point blank dump stuff constantly
chrome dust
Make sure to not dump critical bonus
It gives like 21 or so crit chance on a max roll. And it crits very well
chrome dust
You will consistently one mag crushers
chrome dust
Pew pew
upper sun
huh i just realized i did an entire match with a brick instead of my main weapon and i didnt even notice
jaunty tiger
slow one felt like a precision weapon that didnt do enough dmg to justify
chrome dust
Exactly
jaunty tiger
fast one i just walk at ppl and spam
chrome dust
It’s like a really shitty kantreal las rifle
jaunty tiger
into head
chrome dust
Ye
proven crest
slow one is fine, i kinda wish it either didnt have the recoil, or had like 1 penetration
in particular i think slow one is slightly better with deadshot
but fast laspistol is just so nice to work with
chrome dust
It’s 100% worse with deadshot too
hollow current
I just made this on a whim for testing and it turned out great. wtf lol
proven crest
It’s 100% worse with deadshot too
how do you figure?
chrome dust
Handles worse and just doesn’t give the damage to be worth it
Fast las pistol is just better
proven crest
i'd have to see a side by side comparison to be able to tell
chrome dust
I just made this on a whim for testing and it turned out great. wtf lol
It is indeed one of the best guns in the game. And you’re running a close to perfect roll :v
tulip kettle
I just made this on a whim for testing and it turned out great. wtf lol
What ascend said
This is literally a meta set up of the best weapon in game right now
proven crest
with buffs crit headshots on chonk pistol can 1 tap all ranged elites except maybe unarmored gunner (can't recall)
chrome dust
I’d personally stick with flakiac though
proven crest
and 3 crit bodyshots kills mauler
hollow current
Meanwhile I try to refine my laspistol and get eat shit on 20 upgrades.
proven crest
ragers are kinda painful though
hollow current
Hadron is a fickle mistress
proven crest
the maniac ones anyways
tulip kettle
Unyielding is what you want on columnus, with flak
chrome dust
with buffs crit headshots on chonk pistol can 1 tap all ranged elites except may...
Crit based oneshots are that great because you don’t know when the crit is coming
Crits are best when you’re spamming
tulip kettle
You have assail, and a DS4 for muties + crushers
hollow current
I'll compare plague ogryn damage for you guys with these
proven crest
vet has so much crit chance, in addition to determintistic crits
that you kinda can bank on them
chrome dust
You have assail, and a DS4 for muties + crushers
Ah so more a Psyker specific thing then? Makes sense
jaunty tiger
ya
chrome dust
If you want boss damage it should be raking fire :^)
jaunty tiger
also i didnt like ghost much on slow las
didnt feel like it fired fast enough to make me really immune
proven crest
psyker to a much lesser extent with 5 headshots crit talent
yeah, ghost is worse on slow las
overall i think fast las is better
chrome dust
Fast las just feels better and kills more consistently in my experience
If you prefer slow, nothing wrong with that, I just can’t agree
proven crest
it mostly comes down to i really like fast draw precision weapons
and we kinda don't have that many
so i have to cope with what we've got
chrome dust
Both las pistols are precision tbh
proven crest
agreed
hollow current
Fast las was 3710 DPS and the slow chonk one was 3220
chrome dust
And I agree. My main use for las pistol is on my ps6 vet build. It’s for drawing out and quickly dumpstering ranged units and then getting slapped back into its holster
Pew pew
jaunty tiger
well
ps6 goes with literally everything
but im glad i click better with fast laspis since (on vet) i was looking for a gun to pair with shovel lol
the bonk shovels have like the trashiest unyielding dmg so they do fuck all on bosses
proven crest
go weapon specialist and do the funny thing where you shoot after every shovel swing
chrome dust
The only thing ps6 struggles with is a mass of enemies stunlocking you from a distance, yeah
jaunty tiger
i might need to drop recip for shocktrooper though
i was actually running out of ammo spamming
chrome dust
but im glad i click better with fast laspis since (on vet) i was looking for a g...
Which kind of shovel
jaunty tiger
mk3 bonk
proven crest
running out of ammo on a laspistol seems incorrect
chrome dust
Honestly? Probably plasma
jaunty tiger
plasm also goes with everything
so it doesnt count
i refuse to play that buggy ass weapon
tulip kettle
Okay so, I've tried to absorb this
chrome dust
It does. Because it’s the best pairing imo
proven crest
i imagine that reciprocity on its own is saving you as much or more ammo as shocktrooper on its own
chrome dust
Pick something with good elite and armor damage
proven crest
cause of lowered ttk
jaunty tiger
maybe ill drop demo team then
tulip kettle
But both revolvers, even the bad fanfire one, seem better for this
proven crest
obvioulsy they're best when combined
tulip kettle
And none of this applies to psyker anyway right..
tulip kettle
So really, the only argument to be made for laspistol that Ive been able to get from you guys is
It's quirky and off meta and fun
proven crest
for psyker i think revolver vs laspistol actually leans towards laspistol
tulip kettle
Which is LEGIT
proven crest
on vet revolver is the clear winner
chrome dust
With weapon specialist a shotgun or revolver. With tag ult plasma, or vraks 7 probably
proven crest
It's quirky and off meta and fun
this is a bad binary
tulip kettle
for psyker i think revolver vs laspistol actually leans towards laspistol
But again, why
proven crest
laspistol is EXTREMELY strong
it is not as strong as the strongest gun in the game in many instances
tulip kettle
You kill everything slower and less efficiently
chrome dust
It's quirky and off meta and fun
It’s very good in melee heavy builds. Up there with revolver, but with different enemies you’re focusing on
It entirely depends on your priorities
proven crest
because psyker has no way to mitigate revolver reload time
proven crest
and can sometimes be vulnerable to gunners
tulip kettle
I've never struggled with the reload
If you need to shoot more than 5 gunners at once is the laspistol gonna help?
hollow jolt
If only we learned to steal the speedloaders from the other revolver
tulip kettle
Right but on psyker you have lots of ways to do that anyway
proven crest
i literally just walk up to clumps of reapers and stand still in front of them with laspistol
on psyker you have a lot of ways to kill specialists anyways shrug
tulip kettle
Yeah this is what I'm saying dude
I'm not flaming the laspistol or your choices
I'm just saying, the reality is, the answer is "because it's different and I feel cool with it"
proven crest
but again, that's a bad dichotemy, that reduces any difference in weapon performance to "meta vs fun"
jaunty tiger
i can see the niche of it
proven crest
when in reality there is a wide spectrum of efficacity that we need to be able to discuss
jaunty tiger
revolver is just not a good gun to hold out for longer than short bursts
the speedy laspistol you can
jaunty tiger
fanfire revovler is a close quarters gun
proven crest
i use revolver when i want to cheat
jaunty tiger
so laspis has that precision over it
proven crest
laspistol A+, revolver S
and sometimes laspistol will outperform revolver
really that simple
hollow current
lol. lmao even
proud blaze
haven't really played much since the december update, which staff is considered the "meta" one at the moment? i remember purgatus was for a bit, then surge.
I'm using voidstrike at the moment for its passthrough and splash damage, along with the chain lightning ability on G
eager token
all of them are meta
severe laurel
void has never really faded, discoball forever
eager token
severe laurel
but all staves are good
proud blaze
void has never really faded, discoball forever
yeah lmao been using it since launch
proven crest
all staves are extremely strong. void and trauma are probably strongest. surge is probably weakest
proud blaze
i remember trauma got shit on a lot, altho ive seen a lot of people using it lately
severe laurel
void is most versatile, purg suffers from lack of long range, trauma from aiming issues and no surge on secondary
proud blaze
seemed good
rigid sky
Every staff is good, as are a lot of guns.
severe laurel
Surge is just surge, electro boy
hollow current
void became trash the moment they nerfed the 50 crunch sounds from hitting heads
severe laurel
I can't for the life of me aim a trauma staff, but it does go strong
proud blaze
thanks guys i'll stick with VS
severe laurel
Crit build with a fire blessing and crit blessing and its boomtown
eager token
trauma staff 
trauma staff aiming at enemies on stairs or a ledge 
severe laurel
Yeah, hell, any staff where I have to jump to see where its gonna land is a pain
It'd be nice if it was a proper column
Wonder if there's a mod for that
hollow current
trauma staff <:GIGACHAD:1046688414151479358>
trauma staff aiming at enemies on...
tzeench helping out nurgle by pulling the strings to get those shitty stairs approved
eager token
tzeench helping out nurgle by pulling the strings to get those shitty stairs app...
real
proven crest
the height change mod so you can make your character not an elf
rigid sky
thanks guys i'll stick with VS
Eventually you will try them all and love them all
Be polystaferous
eager token
i need ogryn to have shoulder mounted cannons or peaceable stationary turrets before we get ogryn psykers
proven crest
legit if they ever expand the talent trees they should make a vt2 style unchained keystone based around blowing yourself up
severe laurel
Booooooooooooooo
hollow jolt
i need ogryn to have shoulder mounted cannons or peaceable stationary turrets be...
Ogryns would just throw them
"Placeable"
eager token
Ogryns would just throw them
that’s even better
hollow jolt
Smh
severe laurel
That'll be the next class
hollow jolt
that’s even better
👍
severe laurel
Tech priest with deployable turrets or something
eager token
ME BRING TURRET
use it big man
THROWS TURRET
cerulean pollen
Ogryns would just throw them
why not just shoot it, are they dumb?
hollow jolt
Tech priest with deployable turrets or something
Hadron FINALLY earning her place
hollow jolt
why not just shoot it, are they dumb?
Because burst limiter 😔
proven crest
i can't wait for them to release ms. pauling as the 5th class
eager token
turret with a finite amount of ammo but it’s real strong
cerulean pollen
Teah Priest. Just copy the vermintide 2 necro, but use servitors instead of skeletons or something
eager token
ogryn railgun
rigid sky
ogryn railgun <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
Yay! Me like trains
cerulean pollen
How is this for general usage, no specific build? Should I change something?
eager token
How is this for general usage, no specific build? Should I change something?
groaners to flak/carapace and blazing spirit can be changed to something else prob, not sure it’s that strong on voidstrike
p solid staff
quell peril on weak spot hit is a nice one that makes the staff a spam machine
rotund fable
Surge (critical hits fire 2 projectiles) is always a fun option if you plan to use a true-aim build.
eager token
is surge worth it without warp nexus
idk how often you crit without, i feel like every staff i have has it 
rotund fable
is surge worth it without warp nexus
If your build utilizes the true-aim talent, you basically get another stored crit every time you fire at a horde, assuming you do so at head height... or if you just chuck out a few shards... or if you stab some things in the face
What I'm basically saying is that the true-aim talent is really powerful
severe laurel
Its quite deep into the right hand side though
I suppose if you were running Empowered Psionics it might be feasible
But warp siphon's peril reduction just means you fire moar balls faster
tulip kettle
How is this for general usage, no specific build? Should I change something?
not top tier, but useable
blazing spirit for transfer peril, ranged damage to flak
generally you want to run flurry and transfer or surge and nexus on void
then best perks would be flak and carapace, followed by flak and maniac
blast radius is the dump stat on void, you want it to be somewhere around 60 ideally, higher is actually worse because its taking away your other stats and gains you nothing
rotund fable
So, what perks should i slap onto this thing? (with it's low warp resitance, i feel flurry 3 is perfectly fine, so I'm just gonna change the perks, as the blessings are pretty solid)
chrome dust
Flak with either maniac or carapace
rotund fable
My sword 1-taps mutants, so I'll prob slap carapace
chrome dust
Personally I would try to roll another so you can eat warp nexus off of that staff
But it’s good enough to use
eager mantle
I would keep until you feel comfortable splurging for another
rotund fable
Personally I would try to roll another so you can eat warp nexus off of that sta...
out of 94 attempts at rolling a good surge staff, this was my best roll...
chrome dust
If you have other stuff to roll up come back to this later
tulip kettle
not just that...
surge's biggest weakness, imo, is the massive peril generation per dmg
sub 50% warp res is just gonna make that worse
if its costing you 33% peril to shoot one charged shot then what is even the point of having flurry
you go from 70 peril to 100 in 1 shot
quell for like, a whole second or even more to get back down to below 70
your dps ends up being garbage, due to the low warp res
rotund fable
your dps ends up being garbage, due to the low warp res
To all that, i repeat my previous statement: "Out of 94 attempts at rolling a good surge staff, that was my best roll"
I don't know what it is, but whenever i try to roll for a surge staff, my luck is horrible.
tulip kettle
haha fair dude
rotund fable
for now, It will have to do
tulip kettle
honestly thogh, with the way surge is i dont think that will be representative or fun
youre either gonna explode a lot, or have majorly gimped dps, and its gonna feel underwhelming
you may not even be whelmed at all
blessings are great though 😄
rotund fable
If i want fun, i have this semi-scuffed little number.
tulip kettle
well THAT looks balanced
tulip kettle
So what number to believe?
what do you mean?
ovenproof scoreboard + blaze trauma = nonsense numbers
any warpfire + ovenproof = nonsense numbers
stone canyon
I see, so the one high up is the real deal?
tulip kettle
well, yes and no
up the top its showing you "real damage" and "overdaamage"
down low its showing you the total damage unseperated
stone canyon
So uh, with warpfire dmg just dont believe any of it and take it as general direction?
rotund fable
I also have these 2 voidstrikes that i sorta messed up when making.
tulip kettle
the right one looks tidy dude
rotund fable
perks are not the best on the left sadly
tulip kettle
yeah, sure, nexus wouldve been better than flurry but with true aim it will still do great
well, they kinda are, as you dont have nexus
yeah you want flak and cara
but as you dont have nexus, swapping flak for 5% crit isnt awful
and you gain flurry that way
im sure it will do just fine
rotund fable
I use it with a true-aim build, so it goes hard sometimes
tulip kettle
this one shots crushers at 80+ peril on a fully charged crit
im sure yours will also
rotund fable
This thing is also extremely fun
rotund fable
I pair it with this monstrosity
sinful peak
is 1% charge and blast worth swapping?
rotund fable
At that point, the charge rate is barely noticeable.
tulip kettle
eh
its so minor dude
you also lose 1% crit chance
literally splitting hairs
honestly the right one is better
5% warp res the most impactful thing going on here, and even then....
the ultimate combo
i literally bought that purg off milky yesterday to replace my old one with nexus 1
sometimes, he stocks that literal fire
used it once, remembered how OP and 1D purgatus is and put it away for blaze trauma again
rotund fable
Funny thing about diemos, it's heavy 2 can knock a crusher to the ground, and it's charged light 1 can instantly get you to 4 stacks of uncanny.
And if you happen to ignite a bunch of enemies with soulblaze, then swap to the diemos while you have those stacks of uncanny... then the fire ignores their armor/damage resistance.
rotund fable
Sadly, i dont yet have deflector 4...
tulip kettle
but the mobility of the DS4 is just... too good.
i love the H2 on deimos for crusher and mauler fighting
pine relic
five minutes later.
tulip kettle
what are we looking at elliot?
pine relic
I was tagging a medi pac, he refused to pick it up and taunted me, then died.
tulip kettle
ah i see
well, he was trying to say he has full hp and cant heal, maybe he wanted someone else to pick up the med?
rotund fable
So far, this is the best mk4 i've been able to roll...
tulip kettle
its pretty good!
though cleave is dump on 4 imo
doesnt get you anything and steals your mobility
pine relic
no, he was just being a jerk. we were the only two still alive and he refused to pick it up.
rotund fable
no, he was just being a jerk. we were the only two still alive and he refused to...
They deserved to die then
pine relic
He did play well, but nobody likes this kind of behaviour.
tulip kettle
you just cant conceive of his incomparable mind
hollow current
look at the chat, it seemed he was upset for a good portion of the game
quartz barn
this is kinda disappointing
they made the orthus offensive so much easier than it was at launch
hm spawns literally no elites now
inland ridge
hm spawns literally no elites now
if that is true then that is really disappointing
pine relic
Trauma staff is so broken, I played with two trauma psykers yesterday and barely got any kills.
hollow current
So far, this is the best mk4 i've been able to roll...
pretty good. shame about shred tho
inland ridge
pretty good. shame about shred tho
what would u put on it instead?
hollow current
Precog is best. but if you can't make use of precog for w/e reason (skill issue) then riposte is the superior choice between the crit blessings.
uncanny is always first pick though. it's just dummy good.
inland ridge
sweet, ty
hollow current
I'm telling the zealots what you keep under your cot. 
eager token
why is there no sad ogryn emote
rotund fable
Precog is best. but if you can't make use of precog for w/e reason (skill issue)...
I use shred because a good 80% of the time I'm pulling out the dueling sword, is when I'm either about to 1-tap a mutant, or when I'm being swarmed by trash mobs, unable to move because they've literally shoved me into a corner, and I'm out of shards to spam.
hollow current
Hey if you like it, you like it. I don't get it, but it's not your sword I'm using.
rotund fable
I also dont have precog or riposte above level 2... so...
hollow current
rip. maybe if you roll another decent duelling sword you can give either a try sometime.
not really a huge deal tbh unless you're a melee psycho like I tend to be.
tulip kettle
riposte is much, much better than precog
and anyone who says otherwise cant back it up
rotund fable
If i'm going meele psyker, I'm probably gonna use one of these things
most likely the diemos, because it's the diemos
tulip kettle
ewww
harsh urchin
riposte is functionally a much smaller/inconsistent bonus than pre, with better uptime
harsh urchin
which makes it much better against hordes and a bit worse against priority melee elites
stone canyon
Terrible missions
stone canyon
Yeah figured
hollow current
riposte is definitely the worst if it's worse than riposste
tulip kettle
which makes it much better against hordes and a bit worse against priority melee...
riposte is worse than riposte?
harsh urchin
yap
rotund fable
Wish there was some melee support for Psyker in the talent tree
I mean... you can kinda argue that disrupt destiny and scryers could be a meele thing... but that may be a bit of a stretch.
tulip kettle
lower even than you think it does
harsh urchin
correct, it trades off uptime for a massive multiplier
stone canyon
I mean... you can kinda argue that disrupt destiny and scryers *could* be a meel...
Yeah but youd be spraying ColumnusV then more likely anyway
spice veldt
in terms of damage, we do get a bunch of +warp damage buffs so a proper force melee whose activation mechanics don't suck total ass would mean that our melee is covered in the damage component
so attack speed is really the only thing missing
rotund fable
Yeah but youd be spraying ColumnusV then more likely anyway
Counter argument, I would be whipping this thing out.
eager token
50% reload speed
stone canyon
Fair enough, i just hate constantly reloading slowly that thing
Vet has autoload talents, that way i could even consider
hollow current
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1203781985886146580/carapace_pack.mp4?ex=65d25856&is=65bfe356&hm=dc6876d5c17da3b6bba5fdb03c05dc8d7822e2c208fc000d7b2e53fd975ef860& idk man. precog seems pretty legit in the last 30 seconds here when you're about to be on the casting couch
rotund fable
50% reload speed <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
True, but counter argument, just don't miss.
harsh urchin
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1203781985886146580/c...
yep, it'll perform much better against those kind of situations
whereas riposte will be better in the 98% of situations that aren't that
but tbh, using a white weapon in 98% of situations is fine as well
i personally would prob build it with precog for those kind of situations or shred to kill bosses
hollow current
no way crit is better than precog against plague ogryns. sluggers and chaos spawns idk. but ogryns are so easy to lock down and farm dodges on.
the captain bosses and daemonhosts I see it for sure tho. way too squirrely.
sullen rapids
Yeah but youd be spraying ColumnusV then more likely anyway
gunpsyker literally has a dueling sword explicitly to do melee instead of columnus at times
stone canyon
Yeah im gonna suck it up and try to play some Gunpsyker and resist temptation to hit 2 for Columnus
sullen rapids
dueling sword + gunpsyker buffs is fuckin bonkers
stone canyon
Wish it had Shred but will do
tulip kettle
less casting couch
more a bunch of virgins too scared too touch a woman in that clip 😄
still nice tho, but even in that clip you could see what im saying, it was only when you had 4 crushers who very kindly staggered their overheads a good ways apart with you and them trapped in a box that it worked
dont get me wrong, im using it
but i still think riposte is more consistent uptime and dmg, even though the peak dps from precog is much more impactful, when its up
dawn spoke
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1203781985886146580/c...
that was beautiful
tulip kettle
its the fact it needs to be a successful dodge, when you are so speedy with the DS equipped anyway, you dont get to make successful dodges nearly often enough. whereas with riposte, you can SG, spam lights into hordes and proc a whole bunch o crits
dawn spoke
no love for shred? 😢
mighty fractal
so attack speed is really the only thing missing
force dagger when 😌
spice veldt
gib
mighty fractal
I'd love a 1-for-1 copy of Sienna's dagger in this game
With the force sword pushes
tulip kettle
gimme nemesis force glaive
mighty fractal
Regular glaive for vet and shouty, and force glaive/polearm for psyker
hexed geyser
I wish we had actual rapiers but i dont think i ever saw one in lore
Too fancy for Warhammer
hexed geyser
Yeah its not that bad when i look at it
tulip kettle
i love the bellend
mighty fractal
🍆
tulip kettle
stabbing with my big, long, hard, mushroom topped.... sword
tulip kettle
mighty fractal
bobbit
hexed geyser
And spears would also be fun. Probably unusable in darktide's context but fun
tulip kettle
just krubers halb
nah very useable
it is both pokey and slashy
and as we know
in melee combat
range > everything
indigo portal
hexed geyser
Idk, it gets stuck in anything or something gets past your range and you're dead
spice veldt
interesting crusher
hexed geyser
huh
indigo portal
Weapon customization mod.
hexed geyser
I'm actually considering mods now
hexed geyser
How does it work? Can you make the weapon you want or its just pre-made?
indigo portal
You can customize every part of a weapon, it's just swapping models around. Fully client side.
tulip kettle
you can customise pieces with compatable other pieces
to make anything you want you need another mod too
indigo portal
tulip kettle
i have ex wep custom but i dont get that many options
like i couldnt make that above on anything
idk what other mod you need
indigo portal
My favorite is this one.
tulip kettle
which other mods do you use to get this level of changes? ive seen a few weps like this around
tulip kettle
My favorite is this one.
but its not the mod called "extended weapon customisation"
indigo portal
No that's just the mt plugin
indigo portal
All I did was alignment stuff and an attempt at getting the boltpistol to work.
Should be mt plugin
indigo portal
syn edits is another one but that's in the modding discord.
tulip kettle
yeah thats where i got ex wep from before a couple weeks ago
im guessing i need to manually uipdate any mods that get updated?
cba with checking through all the mods already installed each wek on nexus to see if theyve updated it
indigo portal
You have to update each separately yes.
Wait I didn't even realize this is Psyker chat
lmao
eager token
force spears when
hollow current
but i still think riposte is more consistent uptime and dmg, even though the pea...
I can agree riposte is more "consistent" uptime by it simply lasting longer as a blessing, but I don't find that makes it meaningful. More damage? Maybe. More damage where it matters? Clearly I'd say no as my preference is with Precog and Elite murder.
I will also say with absolute confidence and zero testing that I don't think there's a meaningful difference between precog and riposte when it comes to horde chopping. I also don't just use my melee against hordes so that's probably why I can't really see a difference between the two there tho.
tulip kettle
haha, i respect it
its the combined longer uptime combined with mobility
because you are so mobile, you very rarely "successfully" dodge vs hordes and stuff
in your clip you could see how low the precog uptime was until that nice bit at the end where the crushers neatly threw one attack at a time for you to dodge when you were trapped against the geo and couldnt get out
but this is why deimos is just better 😄
uncanny AND unstable
AND the safety of knocking them all down
i joke
its personal preference i dont think any are better than another just different
hollow current
Yeah man I don't know what to say other than the way I play makes it work lmao.
tulip kettle
unstable more dmg and more consistent than anything as it only requires you to give the sword a lil tickle or block something, you have complete control, and its a base dmg multiplier too
hollow current
top left is/was my main deimos. 25 maniac 25 flak. uncanny 4 and slaught 4. All I used before patch 13
tulip kettle
i do wonder why sometimes the special on DS4 fails to stagger stuff
when i clearly hit it
ragers especially
hollow current
I only have that issue when I miss heads and ragers move weird.
hollow current
might be a server thing if it's really close timing unless they just dont get stunned.
tulip kettle
yeah thats it, they just dont get stunned
i get a hit marker but they keep swinging
wary lake
Do any of the current rotation Psyker cosmetics have the "demon" voice filter?
fickle onyx
upper sun
Do any of the current rotation Psyker cosmetics have the "demon" voice filter?
no you get pipes and weird helmets
olive ember
unyielding carapace <:angymorrow:1062670568916267038>
Unyielding is meta
Carapace
Uh
Not so much
upper sun
why does everyone go for sniper resistance instead of gunners with curios?
radiant frigate
"everyone"?
upper sun
well a lot of the popular guides
radiant frigate
idk either way i think gunner resist is absolutely core
upper sun
snipers might do a lot of damage but theyre a lot easier to dodge
radiant frigate
snipers will also still do chip damage
opaque charm
Can you even tank a sniper shot on a Psyker and 3 sniper curious?
upper sun
no but its a lot easier to not get hit from snipers
tulip kettle
its TIME
its... beautiful
and thats honestly great
cara unyielding definitely is meta, setup dependant
olive ember
why does everyone go for sniper resistance instead of gunners with curios?
I go for both wdym
olive ember
Can you even tank a sniper shot on a Psyker and 3 sniper curious?
You can tank 2
Well I also run 2 hp curios
But I’ve eaten a sniper shot with half health before and lived
opaque charm
By tank I mean, get shot and not take HP damage
olive ember
🤔 or am I hallucinating
olive ember
By tank I mean, get shot and not take HP damage
Oh no
That’s only on ogryn
And maybe zealot/vet with some overshield
You need to stack toughness DR to tank a sniper hit
opaque charm
On my Vet and Ogrn if I have the right build I can get shot by a Damnation sniper and still have toughness
But yeah figured it was not happening on Psyker
olive ember
Psyker doesn’t have much toughness DR
I believe most they get is kinetic shield or wte it’s called now
tulip kettle
its TIME
cara + surge + 80 dmg = 1 shotting crushers on full charge crits at high peril warp rider. unyielding great as void is really good vs bosses anyway. Flak is the 3rd choice of course but flak stuff dies fast to void anyway so its meh
tulip kettle
I believe most they get is kinetic shield or wte it’s called now
you can get over 50% tdr on psyker
eager token
cara + surge + 80 dmg = 1 shotting crushers on full charge crits at high peril w...
i godrolled?? 
eager token
shh
olive ember
you can get over 50% tdr on psyker
Need more than that tbh
olive ember
I forgot wasn’t snipers like 1000 toughness damage
tulip kettle
i tend to try to dodge them instead
wind spruce
Ducking snipers is the real God tier move
tulip kettle
but im just saying, with the 5% nodes, 33% from one with the warp, 20% from scriers, you can easily get above 50% TDR
wind spruce
Its surprisingly easy
tulip kettle
hmmmm
olive ember
Sniper does 1250 toughness damage
tulip kettle
so with 3 resist curios
with 3 17% tough and 5% tough
and lets say 60% TDR at a high
is it doable
compact bluff
the closest you can get is like somewhere around 500 effective toughness, i forget the specific number
wind spruce
Don't forget toughness DR scales multiplicitively not additively
compact bluff
it's close but not doable
tulip kettle
true
olive ember
I mean even if you cut the damage by 75% it still would do 300+ toughness
tulip kettle
yeah but then resist curios are very effective in that way
olive ember
Which I don’t think is how the math works anyways
tulip kettle
so lets say if you have 3 at 20% resist, it works out to something like 40 on the low side
so down to 600 dmg
olive ember
But basically with enough sniper resists and toughness DR you can eat a sniper shot on ogryn for free, and much more conditionally I believe on vet and maybe zealot?
tulip kettle
then 60% TDR
wind spruce
so lets say if you have 3 at 20% resist, it works out to something like 40 on th...
It's closer to 50 than 40
Multiplicative scaling.
tulip kettle
im napkining it and like i said on the low side, i also think 40% of 1250 is not 600 😄
compact bluff
But basically with enough sniper resists and toughness DR you can eat a sniper s...
vet and zealot can both tank a sniper shot with their bonus toughness ults. as long as they are max toughness + bonus toughness, a sniper shot Cannot hurt their health
tulip kettle
so 600 dmg from the shot, into 60% TDR, and 150 toughness or so
imma say no it cant be done
on psyker
vocal cliff
its TIME
Damn sorry but that's a brick
Now kindly hand it to me so I can dispose it
Now
I want it
wind spruce
Don't sleep on it siblings
olive ember
I’ve heard tacaxes were like super weak rn
Atleast in zealot chat but
I could prob give one a go
vocal cliff
Zealot chat is zealot chat however
olive ember
I mean their weapon takes are generally aight
There’s some differences tho, like they think precog is rly strong
Like A or even S tier
wind spruce
Look the taxe certainly isn't S-tier
But when you're true level 650 you gotta switch it up to keep things exciting
vocal cliff
Can't just keep making a turkey sandwich every day of the year
Gotta add some ham or try even... whatever kinda sandwich exist out there
opaque charm
I enjoy Tac 2
olive ember
Wdym I switch it up and immediately wish I could switch back lol
opaque charm
But what does it get you that Reshaad doesn't do better?
tulip kettle
yeah mk 2 is fun
idk, chop chop go fast is fun i guess
and they have a higher base crit rate too i guess
opaque charm
Tac 2 with DD and SG sound interesting, but I don't like SG 🫠