psyker-class

[vagrant cedar]

i was this years old till i realize that tree has an eye

i thought it's some new map

[cunning plinth]

sorry, another question: I thought the general recommendation, even when going with assail on top, was to run both gaze and DD for a gunker build. There isnt actually one on Pygex guide page. Is that because that build isnt actually a good idea, or because its new

i thought half the reason DD and gaze were great is because they multiply with each other

[hollow current]

assail, scriers and dd big good

[dawn spoke]

if you're using your gun a lot you might want warp charges for the consistent damage boost

if you're using assail a lot but running gaze EP can help with peril during gaze

[cunning plinth]

there was a build with warp charges instead, which ive never seen before but it does make sense

[dawn spoke]

yeah that was the idea of the battery gunner build that pygex has

[cunning plinth]

i know that the big gamer version of the build doesnt run assail but im not comfortable with ammo with "just" the gun just yet

[dawn spoke]

you might want to look at the psychic sniper build that pygex also did

that one is assail+barrier+dd

if you want to mostly use assail then the assail/gaze/EP build will work very well for that

the psychic sniper one is a bit more balanced between gun and assail

[cunning plinth]

does the "whats the best weapon" change massively depending on the version? ive never not seen anybody run the Columnus is possible

[dawn spoke]

psychic sniper does not want columnus

and the battery gunner build probably wouldn't either, columnus is very ammo hungry so a gun-first psyker build might struggle with a columnus if you don't have a survivalist veteran in the party

[cunning plinth]

that was my experience, yes

but that was without assail in the build

[opaque charm]

I love DD, Assail, and the Fanning Revolver

[cunning plinth]

that build seemed pretty cool because of the fast reload and carapace killing with headshots

[opaque charm]

Ye fast reload means you are always ready

[dawn spoke]

well basically if you want to run assail/gaze/dd, just go ahead and try it

if it works well for you then there's no problem

[stable halo]

My build rn- focus is on being able to project stagger and eliminate threats constantly at range primarily using assail.

Warp charges with assail give you free throws, which can be the overhand throws, which in turn can kill specials and give you more charges.

[cunning plinth]

well, often smarter people than me had those ideas too and tested them so im more asking to understand why recommendations are as they are, rather then to see if something is playable

[near drift]

"smarter people like me" most humble discord user

[cunning plinth]

shit, than

sry, translation error

[cunning plinth]

ok, its really scary ngl

ammo is chill, but thats the only thing thats chill ^^

[rigid sky]

you just gotta be aware that Gaze has stages

1-10 Assail freely, quell a little more

[vocal cliff]

Not as many as the stages of grief

[rigid sky]

11-20, hold back more and throw at specific targets, quell rest of time

21+, keep quelling

and at any point, when you need to, start blasting

[cunning plinth]

btw, is it normal that on reset days high intensity lvl 4 missions are full of people around lvl 20?

or am i just on an unlucky streak. i assume most of them are alts anyway

[plucky flax]

You can run assail with creeping flames and ep too.

[opaque charm]

I'd make room for True Aim

[wheat seal]

@tulip kettle Trauma; I hope your proud of me (I'm the second from the left)

[plucky flax]

Proof trauma is bad.

Impossible to get top damage with.

[feral verge]

@spice veldt bad person, btw ngl

[spice veldt]

wtf

did you just ping me in the other channels

and delete your message

you fucker

[willow escarp]

Does the “crits trigger twice” blessing work on trauma nowadays?

[rigid sky]

Surge? Only on LMB.

[willow escarp]

yeah surge

[rigid sky]

It only works on RMB for Voidstrike

so it is worthless on everything apart from Voidstrike.

[willow escarp]

Thought so

[hearty oak]

Yeah just use smite assail/ venting shriek only

[eager mantle]

Do it. Throw 2 assail shards at 30s SG

[rigid sky]

YOU DON'T CONTROL ME, VOICES

YOU DON'T

[hollow hatch]

Is assail good? It seems like the least interesting of the powers which means it's probably the best.

[eager mantle]

It does what it looks like it does

[rigid sky]

It's great, especially on lower difficulty tiers

but holds its own very well on damnation too

[chrome dust]

Your assumption is correct

[rigid sky]

arguably it's the best

[eager mantle]

Still useful in damn+

[flint aspen]

I'm having a brain cramp - psykers at high peril

[rigid sky]

but it fills a niche that your other weapons will probably be able to fill already

[chrome dust]

It notably has a right click throw that does more damage as well

[rigid sky]

I favour Brain Rupture more in most cases, but Assail is great.

[chrome dust]

Personally though I’m a brain burst fan

[hollow hatch]

I wish bb scaled.

[rigid sky]

I use it personally only for my Gunker build

[eager mantle]

Brain burst is cool. Just wish it wasn't as shit except for against armor

[rigid sky]

I think

am I using it for voidstrike too? I forget

[chrome dust]

I use brainburst with fire staff and assail with trauma

[rigid sky]

It's not that shit, tbh

but it does hurt to not have EP for it

[hollow hatch]

Whats EP?

[chrome dust]

And those are the only two ways I play Psyker

[rigid sky]

Enhanced Psionics

[hollow hatch]

Which does?

[rigid sky]

Improved blitzes

[flint aspen]

Warp Stacks don't feel as good with Brain Burst without Empowered Psionics

[chrome dust]

Middle capstone

[rigid sky]

so for Brain Rupture in particular, it makes it not cost Peril and makes it do more damage

and makes it faster

[eager mantle]

That's what I mean. It's cast time without kinetic resonance or EP is shit when it's the same cast time for everything with nearly the same result

[rigid sky]

Yeah, you need at least the modifier node for it and preferably EP too. It works really well with dome shield imo

My usual build is Blaze Trauma, crit aura, dome shield, brain rupture, EP

[eager mantle]

I run BB on my purgatus with warp charges. It exists solely for long range priorities like snipers/bombers and armor at range

[rigid sky]

you can establish a space in a breach and kill the gunners surrounding you very well

[rigid sky]

it's also good for fast moving targets like dogs

even mutants, although it won't kill them

but if somebody else shoots them too it pushes the mutant over the line

It's actually great vs bosses imo

I mean, it's not great

it's better than most of the shit you can do though

[chrome dust]

Gotta have rending shockwave on trauma

[rigid sky]

if you're not void or gunker

[eager mantle]

Yea dogs too. It's definitely a circumstantial secondary as opposed to how assail can just be an actual secondary to dump

Nah blaze trauma for life

[rigid sky]

rending shockwave is good, but blaze is more versatile

Rending shockwave doubles down on what trauma's already good at

and doesn't address its weaknesses

[chrome dust]

I just don’t think blaze is that useful

[rigid sky]

blaze turns its weakness into another strength

[rigid sky]

the main issues with Trauma are it is bad at long range (ok, can't do much there)

[spice veldt]

rending shockwave has its advantages if you're in a premade or your main damage is on your other slots

[rigid sky]

and that it only deals significant damage at its epicentre

which is very narrow

it already mulches armour very well

[chrome dust]

That’s what assail is for with trauma

[eager mantle]

And the dreaded grated stairs

[rigid sky]

even before you put in rending shockwave

rending shockwave helps your team to help you kill the crushers faster, so for a lot of crushers at once it's actually the best

but apart from that, blazing spirit means your effective kill zone for your Trauma blasts is much, much wider

[chrome dust]

Also works well on anything with flak as well

[rigid sky]

the trouble with blazing spirit is that you have to edge peril a lot

so you're vulnerable to fucking it up

but if you get a handle on it I think it's a lot stronger right now

[eager mantle]

Hearing the brain burst pop on a rager in the epicenter of a charged trauma feels good

[rigid sky]

ew don't take kinetic flayer

it's heresy

[chrome dust]

I wish flayer didn’t trigger on trash

[eager mantle]

Nah taking it

It's satisfying hearing the pop

[plucky flax]

Please spread the words of how bad blaze trauma is.

[eager mantle]

That would be nice.

[plucky flax]

We need it to get buffed.

[eager mantle]

Fatshark it's OP

[plucky flax]

Noooooooo

[eager mantle]

Gib force dueling sword with the mk4 poke

[spice veldt]

the solution is to run blazing spirit with rending shockwave

[eager mantle]

I have one with that

[rigid sky]

NO! BAD SPARKEAD! bops with ogryn newspaper

[spice veldt]

i'm currently running that cuz i figure that i don't really use trauma much

so i'm only going to whip it out for crusher/bulwark patrols or for blazing spirit

which i can reliably proc with true aim fishing

[eager mantle]

Need to run this tho

lEt ThE wArP fLoW!

[chrome dust]

When I run trauma I spam it constantly on everything

[plucky flax]

Yeah when I play trauma I have below 100 melee kills.

Often below 50.

[chrome dust]

Except for stabbing chargers an thr face and throwing shards at distance enemies on occasion

[plucky flax]

If there's 1 lone groaner you bet I'm full charge blasting that bitch.

[spice veldt]

i hate all of psyker's ranged staffs so i've always just played mostly blitz + melee

it was brain burst + illisi in patch 12 and now it's assail + mk4 duelling

[eager mantle]

God mk4 dueling sword poke. My beloved

[chrome dust]

I like trauma and purg

[spice veldt]

i basically just play it as a vet where my trauma is my shredder frag grenade

[chrome dust]

I play my vet almost full melee. He’s my main

[spice veldt]

weapon specialist babeeee

[chrome dust]

Weapon specialist with normal revolver, tag with fan fire revolver

Claw sword, Rashad, or ps6 most of the time for melee

[spice veldt]

yeah, the normal revolver + ps6 is my goto for the moment

i kind of glossed over weapon spec's description and never realized that it gave melee attack speed

[chrome dust]

Yeah it’s a great build

[misty cypress]

*moans in mk V dueling sword

[upper sun]

vet is just less fun psyker

[chrome dust]

Nah

[haughty star]

Vet has way more passive buffs going on. My main vet build is more balanced than any psyker build I've ever had. It's just what vet should be, meat and potatoes

[cosmic sigil]

For me vet tree is the most fun to build

[vagrant cedar]

cap

[hushed egret]

Vet has the most powerful and engaging passives so definitely

[upper sun]

how is 25% MORE DAMAGE engaging?

[hushed egret]

as if one passive represents all of them

psykers most engaging passives are just stat increases with the amount tied to your peril so

[chrome dust]

Big bonk

[upper sun]

the stamina drain one is nice gameplay ill admit

but idk about the rest it all seems like just MORE POWER MORE DAMAGE

[hushed egret]

Vet certainly has simple passives, as he should for people who dont want to change the playstyle much, but Vet also has the most game changing passives and keystones out of the cast

[chrome dust]

Read them more carefully perhaps

[upper sun]

i always get shit for saying vet is just a class for people who play nothing but fps games and dont wanna bother too much with theorycrafting

but i will die on that hill

[chrome dust]

Not all, but quite few have trigger conditions you want to keep in mind

[hushed egret]

I didnt say you were wrong on that front. what I said and what you just said arent mutually exclusive

[upper sun]

press F for more damage to guns
tag something for more damage

[chrome dust]

Ogryn is a better class for mindless play tbh

[spice veldt]

hey, i did do some theorycrafting on vet

[hushed egret]

"tag something for more damage" is one of the most involved passives in the game lol

[spice veldt]

and i'm playing it mostly melee

[magic hull]

wrong channel bro

[next zephyr]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1142296245969362944/1203328536853872671/attachment.gif

[haughty star]

Is that a good thing?

[hushed egret]

Vet has a lot of available buildmaking to do

[upper sun]

your choices are team leader and single target burst since stealth and every aura other than survivalist are bad

[chrome dust]

Most auras in the game are mid

[hushed egret]

you dont even have to grab a keystone lol

[haughty star]

Survivalist isn't even that great tbh

[hushed egret]

it's really good what

[spice veldt]

stealth is fine

[hushed egret]

best aura in game

[spice veldt]

the problem with stealth is having smoke nades right above it

[hushed egret]

as long as you use a gun

[chrome dust]

Stealth is super meh on both zealot and vet

[spice veldt]

i consider stealth strong but not in a particularly interesting way

[chrome dust]

I actually like smokes

[spice veldt]

i hate them since they don't stagger anything besides trash mobs

[chrome dust]

They’re for breaking los not staggering

[upper sun]

why play stealth vet when stealth zealot is better?

[haughty star]

I need ammo like once during a whole round and that's using revolvers so survivalist just isn't worth giving up the perks for for me

[chrome dust]

Why play stealth anything when you could not play stealth

[spice veldt]

first off, you're making a pretty big claim that stealth zealot is strictly better

second off, "why do X and when you can do Y" is not a particularly interesting question to go down

[vagrant cedar]

purge + combat axe + bubble is far more versitile

[haughty star]

Gross

A bubble user

[vagrant cedar]

op

if you don't use a bubble, you're masochist

[magic hull]

yeah get out of your bubble and socialize psyker

[vagrant cedar]

too risky

[dim parrot]

lmao

start gazing honestly

[haughty star]

Bubble just doesn't work for me because I like to move lol. VS is objectively just as if not more defensive if used properly

[magic hull]

purge bubble is still useful

[rigid sky]

Bubble is great for pushing out of a chokepoint

And defending a stupid spot like the hacking point at the middle of Chasm Terminus

It's mostly worse than VS otherwise

[haughty star]

There's like two missions with one or two instances I'd like to use bubble in

Cool skill to help low skill players in high difficulty but i must shriek

[rigid sky]

If you are reliant on brain rupture for long range, it gives you the space to do that

[magic hull]

agaisnt target that forces you to move, bubble isnt great. Agaisnt range and horde its G. Only time purge needs is either assail or bubble.

[upper sun]

we should just become a moba and get all three blitz skills on every class

[haughty star]

They need to fix the Warp charge and scriers interaction tho

[fleet bronze]

Gonna say it

Wall is better

[wheat seal]

48% damage 😢

what is Columnus IAG ?

[eager token]

the fact that bubble doesn’t stop suppression is enough for me to not use it

[haughty star]

Columnus infantry autogun

[wheat seal]

oh okay, i'm stupid

what you guys recommend with Columnus in perks (Flak + ?)

[vagrant cedar]

people running auto psyker is so wild to me

[hushed egret]

suppression only does anything noteworthy when you get hit so lmao

[rigid sky]

Try it, the power is addictive

[vagrant cedar]

i only used it to rush lower diff

[hushed egret]

both are great. wall doesnt seem to consistently stun when it's supposed to though

[vagrant cedar]

cuz it would 1shot mobs

but multi shot is kinda annoying

[rigid sky]

Oh, you are using headhunter?

[hushed egret]

oh wait wall only stuns specials nevermind

[fleet bronze]

Honestly funny meme to use it on hunting grounds, doesn't even last 5 seconds

[rigid sky]

I only gunker with CIAG

The best part is when a boss shows up

Gaze goes up, I stall for 20 stacks or so

Then the moment I get a bead on the weak point, gun comes out and the health bar vanishes in a cloud of evaporated blood

[cosmic sigil]

Flak + unyielding / elites / 5% Crit chance

[wheat seal]

thanks

[cosmic sigil]

You're already shredding maniacs tbh and the most dangerous one is the ragers. Which is elite

I like unyielding for bosses and the Crit chance because the ciag has very long Crit string

And well, you'll be criting quite a lot

[cosmic sigil]

Juste change speedload to dumdum

You won't have to find another ciag

[wheat seal]

dumdum max level is 2 ?

[cosmic sigil]

No 4

[ornate hamlet]

What's the difference between the two laspistols? I forget...

[cosmic sigil]

But t4 is like 6% stacking 5

[cosmic sigil]

Kant shoot slower and a bit harder

[wheat seal]

Just find dumdum lvl 3, better to wait for lvl 4 no ?

[hushed egret]

you can use 3 for the time being and upgrade it later

[cosmic sigil]

You cannot use it

It's not transferable

Between weapons

Only between marks of a category

[hushed egret]

mhm

[wheat seal]

we can't upgrade blessing no ?

[cosmic sigil]

Like zarona and Agrippina revolver

[hushed egret]

2 is good for now too. you can always upgrade it later

[cosmic sigil]

By replacing it by a higher tier yea

[urban cloak]

noob here, what does the combat axe accomplish for the psyker class?

[spice veldt]

gives you hordeclear and single target on your melee as usual

[cosmic sigil]

So put the dumdum you have on your ciag, and next time you find another tier, upgrade

[hushed egret]

single target. that's the axe's only role. but psykers also have the mk4 rapier which is also really good single target

[wheat seal]

I thought we can't replace it when we're 2/2

[cosmic sigil]

It's a very good generalist weapon

[hushed egret]

you can remod slots you've already modded

[spice veldt]

it's the amount of slots that you can modify, but you can infinitely refine/re less the slots that you've chosen

[wheat seal]

Oh nice, I just learn something after +170hours ahahah

[cosmic sigil]

Thanks. I was trying to find a way to say that in english

[urban cloak]

I was never a fan of the axes in VT, was wondering if they were a bit different here

[wheat seal]

Love it

[hushed egret]

I didnt play VT. I dont like how the axes feel here, but psyker is definitely well equipped to use it to its fullest extent

[cosmic sigil]

A combat axe with BM and headtaker is like: kill one thing, 3 other die

If you didn't kill it the first time, try again and it's done

[shadow cipher]

the 5 🙏 🙏 🙏

[cosmic sigil]

Just use Antax or Rashad

[spice veldt]

yeah it's a bit hard to describe it even as a native and I decided to just pick the word "slots"

[chrome dust]

They are different yes

[cosmic sigil]

I often use a rashad with scryier / dd

[urban cloak]

could I dm someone with a screenshot of an axe sire melk has

wondering if its any good

[rigid sky]

Does everything but you need Bromentum and a good stat roll.

Bromentum is feast or famine

[cosmic sigil]

Yeah

[urban cloak]

It has bm and decimator

[rigid sky]

You either one-shot reliably and can use it to horde clear

[cosmic sigil]

Excellent

[rigid sky]

Or it doesn't and it's trash

[cosmic sigil]

Decimator is very high DMG as long as you do not miss a target

[rigid sky]

It had better not be an achlys mark VIII, because that is heretical bullshit.

[urban cloak]

oh...

[rigid sky]

Antax V is good, Rashad II is perfect

[urban cloak]

was just about to pm you

lol

[cosmic sigil]

It's an achlys?

[urban cloak]

Heretical shit

[rigid sky]

And it needs high damage, penetration, first target and ideally finesse

[cosmic sigil]

Antax is easier to build

[rigid sky]

Idk the specific breakpoints, it varies class by class

It is quite hard to make a good one on Veteran from my experience

Haven't tried the rest since Bromentum rework

But Veteran really struggles to make it tight

(But if you do it's arguably S tier on everyone)

[cosmic sigil]

For bruisers one shot you need like flak, unarmored, all melee bonuses and near 80

[rigid sky]

It's so disheartening to take it into a game, smack a heretic with it, and then the axe just stops

It's like "welp, good thing my columnus is gonna solo the game for me"

[cosmic sigil]

So I decided that os just one was enough and I am most of the time powered by ht

[cosmic sigil]

Yeah...

You want something maddening?

With just 15% melee DMG I can parry oneshot a rager on my vet

[chrome dust]

Rashad is the way

[cosmic sigil]

I can't on my zealot. It needs 40 DMG...

[chrome dust]

Claw sword is also based

[cosmic sigil]

So either a higher perk or an active buff (which is easy, you get that just by walking)

But damn

[chrome dust]

Have you tried it with martyr

[cosmic sigil]

Yes, I use claw with martyr a lot

[chrome dust]

I haven’t actually used it much on zealot

[cosmic sigil]

It's very potent with martyr Crit

Because you get access to shred, rampage, the parry and you do a lot of DMG

Just bring something for armor

[spice veldt]

skull crusher 😎

[cosmic sigil]

I use a mk1 with rampage skull crusher in one of my martyr build

[spice veldt]

psyker being too slow to h1 a crusher with the mk4 while it gets staggered from a parry makes me so sad

[chrome dust]

Zealot needs a perk to be able to bring two melee instead of a gun smh

[cosmic sigil]

It's simple to use, the heavies are quite fast, you get access to parry and the l4 overhead after 2 heavies dishes quite a lot of DMG too

[spice veldt]

2 melees + throwing knives OwO

[chrome dust]

Perfect

[sinful peak]

zamn

change both perks to crit and flak?

[chrome dust]

Yeah

[plucky flax]

Change ranged crit damage to flak and wait for blazing spirits 4.

[sinful peak]

that's crit chance

[plucky flax]

Oh ranged damage to groaners and poxwalkers.

Change that one. You kill them in 1 shot anyway.

[sinful peak]

[vivid mica]

Doesn't blazing spirit only go up to 3?

[plucky flax]

Yes. Wait for blazing spirits 4 to be released.

[wheat seal]

I guess the build is working lol

[vivid mica]

Ahhh haha

[cosmic sigil]

Were you slurping all the ammo?

Oh yeah 4 large bags

[lethal lagoon]

[plucky flax]

[lethal lagoon]

[jaunty tiger]

what blitz to pair with purg staff

[eager token]

does it not make it harder to hit shots when you’re just being shot at?

[jaunty tiger]

i was doing BB but i find myself getting seriously annoyed by trash mob gunners

[eager token]

on anything using a gun

[plucky flax]

Take empathetic evasion and slide toward shooters.

Purga crit a lot and trigger ee quite often.

[cosmic sigil]

Hmm I have benched a trauma because it only had t3 blaze :/

[plucky flax]

Good. Blaze trauma bad.

[lethal lagoon]

[plucky flax]

[jaunty tiger]

i see

ill give it a try

[lethal lagoon]

[jaunty tiger]

i was thinking of running assail but BB is really nice

dont really wanna give it up

[lethal lagoon]

Never gonna give BB up, BB always lets me down, BB doesn't really run around and is really slow.

[plucky flax]

Assail remove access to wildfire and psykenetic aura.

2 huge talents for soulblaze.

[jaunty tiger]

yeah

i figured

[lethal lagoon]

Now that assail isn't that OP anymore, no aura is kinda hurtful.

[jaunty tiger]

i run warpsiphon for keystone right

[lethal lagoon]

[plucky flax]

Yeah and spam creeping flames for stagger.

[eager token]

purg stagger is absurd

[urban cloak]

is hand cannon any good on the revolver?

[granite mauve]

it's the revolver's best blessing

paired with surgical

[dawn spoke]

dealing with shooters as purg the best thing to do is scream at them

if you're above 86% peril, the warpfire from creeping flames will be strong enough to kill any affected shooters

and of course that will give you kinetic resonance to take care of a few more distant ones

[hushed egret]

wildfire unfortunately actually doesnt do anything

[plucky flax]

It increases my damage by 30%.

[hushed egret]

it only spreads fire from enemies that die with 4 or less stacks, to up to 4 enemies with less stacks, and spreads an absolute maximum of only 4 stacks not per target but actual total

it's impact is genuinely useless

[dawn spoke]

I don't think bro is arguing in good faith

[hushed egret]

maybe not but I wasnt arguing, just wanted to spread the good word of wildfires uselessness

cause I used it and spoke its praises until I learned

[plucky flax]

Yeah it works like that but in a real game it's much more useful.

Can spread through walls, spawn points.

Give you a head start on soulblaze stacks.

[hushed egret]

4 stacks isnt a useful amount of soulblaze, and any soulblaze oriented build applies more than 4 stacks to every enemy it hits

[plucky flax]

Blaze trauma is a soulblaze build.

And the cap from blazing spirits is 6.

[dawn spoke]

I can see how it might help on blaze trauma but on purg I literally do not notice a difference

[plucky flax]

I use it on my surge creeping flames spam build too.

[radiant frigate]

i wanna say soulblaze makes up a solid 20-33% of my damage

sometimes more sometimes less

sometimes a perfect 1:1:1 split between melee/ranged/soulblaze

[ebon pawn]

think i found my new favorite playstyle

[rigid sky]

I think it is literally only good for Blazing Spirit, aye. And even then it's like a 30th point talent

First thing you would get rid of out of your damage shit

Just because of how blazing spirit trauma works

[cunning plinth]

is DD bugged or why can i sometimes not see my stacks in the buff bar?

sorry if DD being bugged is old news

[feral verge]

yeah, there is something fucky going on

idk if it's just visual, and DD is working in the bg

[cunning plinth]

is that just an UI bug or do you actually not get the bonus

hah

[feral verge]

or it may not be working at all sometimes

idk

@spice veldt might know exactly

[cunning plinth]

like i killed a marked guy for sure, i got the DD symbol on my bar at one stack but it was gone in like, 2 sec

[feral verge]

happens to me too

[spice veldt]

I haven't experienced it yet

[queen trout]

I noticed I wouldn't have any stacks despite just finishing a fight and having longer stack duration on. Thought I just lost track of time lol

[vocal cliff]

Big E decided to give me my first ever surge staff

[queen trout]

Damn, really nice, swap groaners and run n gun

Any gamers in here run 30 stacks on DD? Seems like you'd lose the stacks too fast

[willow hazel]

too bad it came in french

[ornate hamlet]

tactic to play orthus hardmode as physcker?

highest skill required

i try and clear the mines for my team while they tank etc

but when the later elite waves come im too squishy

[cunning plinth]

nope, DD doesnt work at all

might be becaue i also use assail?

[opaque charm]

Dd and Assail is great

[static needle]

Anyone who can send me the cryonic rod voiceline mod or vacuum capsule? I need it ;_;

[cunning plinth]

no i mean like, literally bugged, the stacks dont stay

they decay in like 2 sec or less

[rigid sky]

Never seen this happen myself but I have only just now started to mess around with DD

[wind spruce]

I have heard some reports of people not getting the stacking DD buff on kill and only the short speed buff

[cunning plinth]

yeah, im seemingly just getting the speedbuff, at least on my buff bar

not all of the time, but a lot of the time

[opaque charm]

I know I post it too much but you can see DD working in my video

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_q7UiJh85CU&

[wind spruce]

Yeah mine always works

[cunning plinth]

hmm

i wonder how much worse the build

columnus scriers dd assail

is if i swap DD for EP

gun to assail usage rate is like half half

[opaque charm]

If you are using Columnus DD will make it that much more insane

[cunning plinth]

assuming it works

[bold badger]

hm, looks like hadron wants me to try a soulblaze trauma 🧐

[eager mantle]

I really don't like the stacks. Maybe I'd consider the stacks if they decayed 1 by 1 but they all drop at once

[eager mantle]

It works. I bounce between EP and DD on that build

[proven crest]

i am the resident "dd is bugged literally half the game and doesn't generate stacks" guy

i don't recommend 30 stacks

[queen trout]

i noticed you only need to hit the marked target to reset the stack decay for DD yesterday so thats cool ig

[rigid sky]

Praise the Emperor

[eager mantle]

Yea but sometimes the warp decides to ignore the 6 bruisers in front of you and only mark the random rifleman in the next room

[queen trout]

i havent seen a marked crusher yet lol, biggest ive seen marked is mauler/rager

[proven crest]

crushers can't get marked

well, ogryns in general

[queen trout]

called out

oh bruiser im dumb

[eager mantle]

Be really cool if Fatshark had useful tool tips for their mechanics

[hollow jolt]

I'd hope DD can't mark certain targets lol

[proven crest]

ogyrns apparently are pure chaos energy

[hollow jolt]

imagine if it marks a Daemonhost lol

[eager mantle]

The warp compels me

[vocal cliff]

I am going to lose it

[proven crest]

and can't have their destinys disrupted

[queen trout]

pops Scrier "you leave me no choice"

[proven crest]

dd selects things in your field of view

and refreshes every few seconds

[hollow jolt]

"3, 2, 1 Found you"

[proven crest]

so you have some control over targets

is what you get to say to yourself as the ability doesn't work

[queen trout]

pushes shooter into corner

wait for them to get marked

[proven crest]

imagine convincing your team to just let a brusier follow you around the entire mission

just so you could perpetually refresh your stacks off it by shoving it from time to time

[hollow jolt]

if they tolerated me carrying a power cell to extract, they'll tolerate the funny guy

[proven crest]

my pet bruiser

[wind spruce]

Leave pretty blue man alone!

[proven crest]

no one sees him the way i do

[torpid girder]

Would this be a decent enough fire trauma staff? Ik charge rate is really low but I don't have anything better rn :/

[feral verge]

it's not terrible

[proven crest]

congrats, you get to play "what's the dump staff on trauma"

[feral verge]

it's a start

[proven crest]

i think charge rate is pretty important, but yeah, not the worst

[torpid girder]

Would this be better for use on a fire trauma? It says damage is one of the dumps in the steam guide

[wind spruce]

Its fine to start off with

Id go the first one

its only 6% difference in charge rate but a lot more damage

[torpid girder]

💔

[eager mantle]

charge rate is really low my guy it's 68

[proven crest]

that's not too bad

[feral verge]

this is not an L

[eager mantle]

You're fine

[feral verge]

at the very least you can take warp nexus off of it

which is a key part of making blaze trauma

[proven crest]

i mean, that works doesn't it?

[lethal lagoon]

Leave the perks for the most mighty anti-horde blaze trauma

[proven crest]

run n gun to blaze thingy, one of the perks to crit chance or something

and it's a funtional blaze staff

[torpid girder]

So run n gun to soulblaze and infested to crit chance or flak?

[rigid sky]

I disagree that damage is a dump stat

[lethal lagoon]

You can have a mid blaze staff, or a perfect horde stick

[feral verge]

yes

[wind spruce]

yes

[rigid sky]

Blaze trauma isn't all about the blaze

[proven crest]

would infested get a poxwalker breakpoint?

[rigid sky]

It is still a trauma staff that still does trauma staff things

[proven crest]

if not then yeah, infested to something

[torpid girder]

What's the max tier of blazing spirit? 3 or 4?

[wind spruce]

3

[feral verge]

3

[rigid sky]

Purgatus is all about the Blaze. Blaze trauma has Blaze as a bonus.

[feral verge]

t4 blazing spirit exists only on force swords

[strong gulch]

I forget what the trauma damage break point for bruisers is, but that's a nice break point to hit.

[rigid sky]

Most satisfying gif

[wind spruce]

Anyone been running rashad on psyker and has an opinion on blessings/perks? Obvs brutal momentum

[lethal lagoon]

Speaking of which, I should make it into a gif

[torpid girder]

Time to test this out igg?
now i need to figure out a good build and melee for it

[wind spruce]

Literally gains like 10,000 toughness from Mettle

[rigid sky]

But yeah, if you don't give a shit about the damage part of a Blaze trauma then why aren't you just running Purgatus

[wind spruce]

Mettle counting even the tiny tickles on the outer edge is so broken

[proven crest]

does wildfire do anything with blaze trauma

other than turn rooms bluer

[wind spruce]

Thats highly contentious

[rigid sky]

It's the only time to run Wildfire imo

[lethal lagoon]

Also daily reminder that blast radius is everything (53 vs 80)

[proven crest]

on paper the damage increase is significant

[rigid sky]

It's definitely better on Trauma than it is on Purgatus

[proven crest]

cause of exponential scaling

but like, does that extra damage ever matter even

[rigid sky]

Because Trauma damage is sporadic

If Wildfire means stuff dies in one fewer pulse

It is good

That is the test

[wind spruce]

It's gonna light a few extra things on fire, which will benefit your next hit of blazing spirit

[proven crest]

or do you even get that extra damage regularly

[lethal lagoon]

Stacks are exponential, so having enemies fluffed before blazing em is underestimated.

[wind spruce]

if they are on 1-3 stacks when you hit blazing spirit then boom they're on 4-6 without extra input

and you can definitely go long strings without multiple blazing spirit stacks

[rigid sky]

And I think that typically 4 is enough to kill trash

[wind spruce]

since your max crit chance is 37.5 without prescience

[rigid sky]

Although that's old, pre-talent tree numbers

[wind spruce]

4 stacks doesnt kill anything

[torpid girder]

So would this be a good build to run with something like a soulblaze trauma and a duelling sword?

[wind spruce]

literally anything

[rigid sky]

Maybe now 4 doesn't cut it

Oh :(

It used to

It used to be that a 4 stack Ascending Blaze would kill trash but you needed a 6 stack for elites

[proven crest]

this feels like something you'd generally need a computer model to figure out

the actual average value

[wind spruce]

Yes

[proven crest]

you should try and pick up kinetic deflection

[lethal lagoon]

Get rid of the BB talent for 5% crit

Whether or not you get KD is personal choice though, just depends on your playstyle

[torpid girder]

Really? hmm

[wind spruce]

You HAVE to take the 5% crit node, KD is less necessary

Drop quietude, wildfire, kinetic resonance or warp battery for it

All are optional

[rigid sky]

The 5% crit node is crazy important

[proven crest]

i'd drop quietude

[rigid sky]

It's one of the strongest pure stat nodes

[rigid sky]

Uwotm8

[wind spruce]

Me too

[proven crest]

you want to be edging for most of your casts anyways

[lethal lagoon]

Quietude is really not needed when you are lighting everything on fire and constantly criting anyways.

[torpid girder]

So drop quietude for kinetic deflection?

[wind spruce]

Thats irrelevant to quietude

[lethal lagoon]

^

[rigid sky]

Quietitude is crazy strong, don't drop it

[wind spruce]

For the 5% crit node

[proven crest]

how so?

[lethal lagoon]

But still you don't need it.

[proven crest]

you want to generate high peril quickly

[rigid sky]

It's one of the best toughness generators in the game

[lethal lagoon]

You are still quelling the same amount whether you are edging or not.

[rigid sky]

If you are generating peril then you are quelling peril

[wind spruce]

Because whether you edge or not quietude does the same amount

[rigid sky]

Or dying

[proven crest]

i'm sorry i'm really dumb

[wind spruce]

But quietude is not needed on trauma

[proven crest]

for some reason i thought quietude was battle meditation

[wind spruce]

Every crit is giving you a full bar

[hushed egret]

for whoevers build this is, drop wildfire

[torpid girder]

Oh, so should i get quietude orr

[rigid sky]

Ooh, actually, I guess there is a case for the overflow on peril for stuff like brain rupture

[hushed egret]

wildfire doesnt do anything

[rigid sky]

That effectively deletes peril

[torpid girder]

Drop wildfire?

[rigid sky]

Which in turn degrades quietitude

[hushed egret]

wildfire doesnt describe its limitations to you and its limitations makes it literally useless

[lethal lagoon]

nah, soulblaze is exponential, even 1 extra stacks matters.

[wind spruce]

As i said, you can drop wildfire, kinetic resonance, warp battery, quietude or even soulstealer for the 5% crit and KD, its entirely up to you

[torpid girder]

What's the limitations? I just assumed it made it easier to build up more stacks on hordes right?

[lethal lagoon]

Blaze Trauma is one of the few cases it's good though

[proven crest]

it's the least useless that it ever is in this situation

but wether that makes it useful is uncertain

[hushed egret]

yeah but problem: it doesnt get you extra stacks if your goal is to stack

[rigid sky]

Even at its best, it's still very dubious

[wind spruce]

That one stack onlys matters if you dont crit it twice

[lethal lagoon]

We aren't trying to get extra stacks, everytime with this strawman smh, we are fluffing enemies for the next crit.

[rigid sky]

I think it's worth it but then again I don't run warp charges

So I have like 5 extra points to throw around

[lethal lagoon]

[wind spruce]

Well we are talking the actually good trauma build

[rigid sky]

Because warp charge keystone is unreasonably expensive

[wind spruce]

Not some shit one

[hushed egret]

you just said extra stack matters. you dont get extra stacks from wildfire when it means something. what does "fluffing for the next crit" even mean?

[wind spruce]

Yeah thats all it does, fluff the next crit

And then if you crit twice, it was irrelevant

[lethal lagoon]

I'm not sure how I could explain it any different.

Too lazy too

[rigid sky]

It hopefully pushes the enemy to the point where one fewer Trauma pulse kills them

[torpid girder]

I think they're talking about how applying the stacks from wildfire reduces the amount of hits it would take to get max soulblaze stacks right? But idrk how wildifre or soulblaze in general works

[rigid sky]

But who knows if it actually does that

[proven crest]

psyker terminology is all based around masturbation

[rigid sky]

It's not about hitting max stacks, it's about killing shit

[hushed egret]

it spreads at most 4 total stacks across 4 maximum targets, and it'll probably spread 3 if it soreads anything because the blaze blessing is only +3 soooooo

[wind spruce]

No thats wrong, each trauma applies three to a maximum of 6, so it only helps if you crit a single time

[rigid sky]

Shit dies when it reaches 0 HP

And 0 HP is a state reached after a combination of Trauma damage and soulblaze ticks

[wind spruce]

True.

[torpid girder]

okay sooo should i drop wildfire for quietude or?..

[proven crest]

like, the question is "is 4-5 soulblaze meaningfully more than 3"

[rigid sky]

Does the Wildfire add enough Soulblaze damage to require one fewer Trauma pulse, is the question

[proven crest]

"and is it worth a talent"

[rigid sky]

Close, but not quite

[wind spruce]

Very occasioanlly, not often

[lethal lagoon]

Also, if you haven't run a test game with all healthbars on or debuff tracker to experiment with wildfire's spread/damage, you shouldn't be commenting so definitively on it.

[rigid sky]

It's also "does the few seconds where the target has 1-2 stacks sitting there make a difference"

"Does it push them under a breakpoint"

It is so hard to quantitively judge this

[wind spruce]

I don't think it does with 1-2 stacks. The damage is so low.

at 1-2 stacks its purely for the fluffing

[lethal lagoon]

Keep in mind blaze trauma is also flaming shriek spam

[proven crest]

yeah, it's also "are there even situations where that damage would matter if you're just gonna trauma them twice anyways"

[wind spruce]

2 stacks is 5 damage per tick, 1 stack is 1 damage

[torpid girder]

Also when using a trauma i assume i want to be fully charging it?

[rigid sky]

Unless you are me and run shield instead like a hipster

[rigid sky]

It Depends

[wind spruce]

Not necessarily

[lethal lagoon]

[rigid sky]

Sometimes you need short charges to survive

[wind spruce]

There's plenty of situations where you wont have time to fully charge the trauma

[rigid sky]

Or because you started charging it at too high peril

[wind spruce]

And spamming it at your feet is a big part of the gameplay loop aswell

[proven crest]

i think blaze trauma shield is completely reasonable

[rigid sky]

(Which Shriek helps you with a lot, but if you run shield you have to be karking careful)

[wind spruce]

Its so not

[lethal lagoon]

[wind spruce]

Trauma without shriek is omegabad

[proven crest]

????

[rigid sky]

It's my most reliable Psyker build, bite me lol

[proven crest]

trauma on it's own, without literally any support

is one of the best weapons in the game

[wind spruce]

Its a relative thing

[rigid sky]

Shield is used for breaching

[wind spruce]

I dont literally mean its unusable

[rigid sky]

And for point defense

[proven crest]

like, a grey trauma with no talents is one of the best weapons in the game

[strong gulch]

Usually Wildfire is poop. On Blaze trauma specifically it's beneficial.

Because blaze trauma can only get to 6 SB stacks and SB application is slower, Wildfire helps with spreading or maintaining stacks.

[rigid sky]

90% of the time, venting Shriek is more useful, yes

[wind spruce]

You know whats as good as shield

Sliding

[rigid sky]

But you will still survive

[proven crest]

is this just "shield is bad"

or is this "blaze trauma is specifically bad with shield"

[wind spruce]

Yes

Both

[lethal lagoon]

Shield is okay on voidstrike

[strong gulch]

BUT ALSO, you get that silly X thing died in a closet and it was you who killed the thing. 😂

[wind spruce]

Its even badderer with blaze trauma

[rigid sky]

But when you are emerging from a doorway to gunners in every direction

[wind spruce]

Shut up

[lethal lagoon]

[proven crest]

how is it badder?

[rigid sky]

Or are defending a hack point like the mid objective of chasm terminus

[lethal lagoon]

If the blaze trauma is the star, as you said, then flaming shriek makes it shine.

[rigid sky]

Where you are stuck defending every direction

[wind spruce]

Because blazing trauma isnt even that good without it (yes flaming hot take ik)

[rigid sky]

And Trauma doesn't have the range

You can Shriek one side, yes

It's fine like thay

[brazen basalt]

it's probably asked a lot, but does assail track targets when i switch to my weapons? so do i like launch a swarm of them bastards, switch and keep killing while they are still up and about?

[wind spruce]

Yes it does

[rigid sky]

Or you can dome and deal with the ranged threats much safer

[wind spruce]

But you gotta keep looking at them

It tracks by where you're pointing

[rigid sky]

Dome answers specific questions that Trauma struggles with

[proven crest]

you can make a shriek spam build without any additional soulblaze support besides pc

[rigid sky]

Shriek is win more

[proven crest]

and it will do a lot of work

[rigid sky]

Dome is don't lose

[proven crest]

so if you're leaning on shriek that much, maybe the blaze trauma wasn't even that important in the first place?

[wind spruce]

Thats basically what i said

[strong gulch]

My brain is too stuck on creeping flames, so I don't take bubble often. But there is something satifying about putting a bubble down and trauma blasting the center of it.

[rigid sky]

It's OK if you don't like Dome, but don't pretend that it doesn't have a place

[vocal cliff]

There we go that's better

[proven crest]

do you think that warp flurry is better?

[wind spruce]

With blaze trauma it doesnt have a place

[torpid girder]

okay i'm just gonna take out wildfire idk anymore lol

[lethal lagoon]

[vocal cliff]

Ironically the one with the most Rager dense was the most fun one

[strong gulch]

Don't tell that to @plucky flax .

[lethal lagoon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ-bMEwvcxw&t=1s

[torpid girder]

idk what i'm supposed to be making my build to use with soulblaze trauma and duelling sword >:/

[wind spruce]

Your build is fine if you swap any of the prementioned talents for crit chance

[proven crest]

like, psyker doesn't need to be a super synergy warrior to be effective

[rigid sky]

Experiment with both Shriek and Dome

They can clearly both work

[wind spruce]

Your solid, you're done. Chill my sweetheart and burn heretics alive.

[rigid sky]

If you run Dome, take EP

[proven crest]

these options remain good even independent of each other

[rigid sky]

If you run Shriek, probably take warp charges

[lethal lagoon]

We need harder content

[wind spruce]

This is irrelevant. No ones saying any of this is necessary. We ARE talking about min maxing.

[proven crest]

so am i

[rigid sky]

Min maxing in a game with heavy skill expression like Darktide

[proven crest]

i'm not saying "at the end of the day fun is all that matters"

[strong gulch]

If you you're going to do left side talent tree for blaze trauma, wildfire is a great pick.

If you are focusing on something else, then def don't take Wildfire.

Wildfire is a VERY nuanced and specific in use.

[rigid sky]

It's not an RPG where you can crush the enemy weight of stats with your own weight of stats

Playstyle is a huge factor

[wind spruce]

Ok savages someone answer me about rashad perks and bleessings

[hushed egret]

I base my keystone choice not by my abilities personally. both are great in both hands

[wind spruce]

omg we know

[proven crest]

i'm saying that traumablaze with dome is equally as effective as traumablaze with shriek

just at different things

[wind spruce]

Its not equally effective

Dome is worse

[rigid sky]

You aren't arguing like you know

[wind spruce]

I literally just pointed out this is talking about min maxing

We all know you can get through auric mael comfortable with subpar builds and weapons

[hushed egret]

dome is great

[rigid sky]

"Subpar" proves you don't get it.

[wind spruce]

IN TERMS OF MIN MAXING

Jesus christ

[buoyant maple]

I don’t think Rashad on psyker can hit the same breakpoints as on veteran or zealot (at least nowhere as consistently)

[lethal lagoon]

Dome covers for bad positioning and low DPS How can it be more effective for min-maxing.

[hushed egret]

anyone who says dome isnt worth it is either higher than the top 1% of players, thinks they are, or dont count on the situation turning to shit (which it will)

[wind spruce]

Unhelpful

[onyx sentinel]

2h force swords when

[buoyant maple]

This means you can really build whatever perks & blessings as long as you have brutal momentum

[wind spruce]

Still unhelpful, I want an actual opinion on which to choose

[hushed egret]

that was an opinion

[lethal lagoon]

[wind spruce]

Fixed it

[proven crest]

at a certain point, more dps does not contribute to likelyhood of success more than defensive or insurance options

[hushed egret]

depends on how you want to do your single target

[rigid sky]

But opinions don't exist, there is only minmaxing :)

[proven crest]

that's why forgoing until death just to pick up disdain would be a really stupid choice

[hushed egret]

they're all good

[buoyant maple]

Flak / maniac / unyielding / carapace / elite

Brutal momentum (must have)
Thrust / headtaker is what I’d go with

[rigid sky]

This is a solved game and there are no variables

[proven crest]

so you can't just categorically say "defensive options never beat out offensive ones"

[rigid sky]

:)

[buoyant maple]

Thrust might be a bit better since Psyker can’t get 1 HS bruiser breakpoints (at least nowhere as consistently) like veteran & zealot, so the value of headtaker (usually for breakpoints) is less impactful

[wind spruce]

Ty

[proven crest]

incredible struggle to get to this point (i didn't help)

[onyx sentinel]

Does wildfire even proc if they get gibbed by trauma rmb/don’t play their death animation

[buoyant maple]

U could also play with shred but it’s not the most impactful blessing for Rashad in my experience (as opposed to just getting more damage out more reliably)

But Psyker has high crit chance stuff going on so it may not be that bad

If u play disrupt destiny keystone, shred might be nice

[wind spruce]

Ill have a fiddle around, I appreciate your input sibling. Do you have a favourite couple of perks out of that lot? Im assuming flak is best

Yeah ill be playing DD most likely

[lethal lagoon]

Well sure, cause at that point the round is pretty boring and you just kinda zombie walk to the end.

[buoyant maple]

I’m veteran main and the best options there are unarmored + flak with BM + headtaker (but this is absurdly difficult to roll)

Since Psyker can’t get 1HS bruiser as reliably (but still retains 1HS poxer clear very well), I suggest forgetting about the bruiser 1HS breakpoints altogether and build for killing stuff u care about, maybe carapace/unyielding/maniac

If you need a melee option to kill crushers but also deal with hordes exceptionally well, carapace doesn’t sound too bad

[wind spruce]

This rashad with headtaker at max is almost oneshotting both bruisers

[onyx sentinel]

nevermind I’m mixing up how wildfire spreads lol

[wind spruce]

Shouldnt be hard to one hit them

[buoyant maple]

You could try changing both perks to unarmored + flak then, see if it gives u the 1HS breakpoints

[hushed egret]

also worth noting that you can never kill things faster than you can nullify enemies using defensive and cc tools, thus meaning that defense and cc functionally "kill enemies temporarily." that description is more easily translated for some tools than others, like smite and dome shield, but everything that defends or controls does more of that than it would deal in damage if given damage to the same degree instead

[proven crest]

like, to get away from the abstract, trauma, blaze or otherwise, solos every mixed elite melee horde in the game

[buoyant maple]

But if u build flak + unarmored, it’s going to be much less reliable in killing carapace

[proven crest]

without any issues

[buoyant maple]

That’s smth u have to build for on your other weapons

[proven crest]

you know what can cause issues for trauma? ranged spam

[rigid sky]

Of which both Shriek and Dome are solutions

Shriek clears it faster

But only one direction

Dome is omnidirectional

[hushed egret]

personally I found trauma particularly effective against ranged specifically because you could stop them from firing very efficiently

[wind spruce]

With 15 DD stacks it oneshots them easily without either perk. Obvs thats not super consistent tho

[proven crest]

and trauma is susceptible to the bullshit that everything is susceptible to

trapper nets

flamer spam

BoN

[hushed egret]

again I found trauma trauma particularly useful against flamers and trappers for the on demand stagger

[buoyant maple]

Yea I wouldn’t count on DD for breakpoint purposes, maybe change both perks and use dd as more of a bonus in making up for the time needed to build headtaker stacks

[proven crest]

so you combine a weapon that makes mixed hordes nonthreatening with a blitz that shuts down various other failure states

[wind spruce]

Not a bad idea, taking unarmoured feels so icky though haha

[hushed egret]

trauma is a crowd control staff with good single target dps

[buoyant maple]

There’re 3 kinds of people who take unarmored:

1. Those who have no idea what they should build and just use whatever they roll
2. People that wanted to change but have unarmored locked in
3. People who min-max extremely hard to achieve a specific thing they want to do

[proven crest]

is this better than shriek? i don't know, i'm not sure anyone knows, it's something that you'd probably have to do hundreds of tests measuring win rates to determine

[wind spruce]

Spittin' facts

[proven crest]

but, like, the conceptual level shut down of dome is "defense bad just dps"

which doesn't work

[wind spruce]

Defense bad just dps

[proven crest]

fuck you got me

[wind spruce]

BOOM HEADSHOT

[proven crest]

[hushed egret]

dont think "winrate" can also capture the difference between playstyles, builds, allies, predispositions, demographics, etc, so I dont think calling anything here "better" is useful. better ro consider what it is your build and playstyle ask for to perform at their best

[prime elk]

Tbh I never take dome anymore

[rigid sky]

I mean, some ideas are terrible objectively

Like, achlys combat axe

Is a bad build automatically

[proven crest]

the problem is that people want to talk about "better", and these things aren't very helpful in having that discussion

[buoyant maple]

Have u tried a good one yet

Achlys axe is not as bad as u think it is

[rigid sky]

Running Purgatus with an anti-horde melee weapon, very questionable

[buoyant maple]

It is goofy tho

[rigid sky]

I actually haven't tried it, maybe I am wrong lol

But running purgatus and Illisi for instance, is just redundant

[strong gulch]

Like meme builds even when they consistently get top damage, or blazing spirit illisi with executor and scrier's gaze.

[wind spruce]

Can we debate which caxe is best on psyker

Gogogo

[strong gulch]

Silly builds at the very least

[hushed egret]

like, I have a void/smite/claw build that I ran with shriek. it ran REALLY well, decimated damnation auric missions like swiss cheese... until I found a specific encounter where it had a very particular weakness. I swapped skriek out for dome, and now that weakness is covered without sacrificing much since shriek was largely covering ground my build was already trodding

[rigid sky]

0% damage Rashad

[proven crest]

taxe 7 cause no psyker attack speed buffs to bug the animation

[rigid sky]

Intimidate the heretics by taking 5 minutes to bludgeon one to death

[wind spruce]

I didn't know that was a thing haha

[buoyant maple]

I think Antax is a little better than Rashad for Psyker because Antax has a safer moveset (on demand stagger & better push atk) even though it doesn’t have as much damage (worse vs bruiser & some elites)

[wind spruce]

Do attack speed buffs literally make it worse

[proven crest]

2nd light of taxe 7 literally doesn't work at certain attack speeds

[wind spruce]

Lmfao

[proven crest]

and so it's literally a crapshoot depending on the base stats and whatever buffs you have up

they'll fix it one day!!!!!

[hushed egret]

just like they'll fix scriers/warp siphon interaction

trust

[queen trout]

could try +weakspot to see if that slides you over the edge

[buoyant maple]

+weakspot is not as impactful cuz combat axes have low finesse multiplier

[queen trout]

i only suggested since hes almost hitting both BP so he could keep the unyielding perk if it works

[hushed egret]

on collision with carapace, the Voidstrike explosion does deal its damage in an aoe right?

[wind spruce]

Yes

[hushed egret]

is it less damage, the explosion?

[wind spruce]

Way less

Its like trauma outside of its radius

Doing like 30 damage

[hushed egret]

coolio

[wind spruce]

https://outplayed.tv/media/P23KLM

There ya go @hushed egret

[hushed egret]

nice

what's that yellow warning indicator you got modded in?

[wind spruce]

All those hits will proc mettle though

[wind spruce]

The peril number?

[hushed egret]

whats mettle again?

[wind spruce]

5% toughness on crit + speed buff

[wind spruce]

Oh

thats spidey sense

Shows the directional location of enemies

I use it for trappers and bursters bc of the sound issue bullshit

[hushed egret]

makes sense

[wind spruce]

https://outplayed.tv/media/mZLDVr

Blazing spirit void

[hushed egret]

I'll stick to my warp flurry and peril quelling on headshot thing

Void feels so good with those

[wind spruce]

I use warp nexus warp flurry on my void

[hushed egret]

I wanted to make this one void crit build work using brain burst and true aim instead of any other source for crits

bb a couple guys then pocket rocket the next

[wind spruce]

Brain burst for weakspots for true aim?

[hushed egret]

mhm

and melee of course

problem was I dont like managing my true aim stacks to that degree

[wind spruce]

Yeah doesnt seem worth

and you need 3 brain bursts minimum to stack a full true aim

[hushed egret]

well you dont always need a surge shot and you'll have your melee out frequently enough, especially with how little crowd clear that kind of playstyle provides, but yeah

honestly pretty solid, just kinda demands a team oriented around buying you time and space to just focus shots, like running marksman vet

[wind spruce]

Assail is pretty good for stacking true aim aswell

[rigid sky]

Imo Marksman is more about timing moving to shooting, and crabwalking

[wind spruce]

Surely marksman is just about go brrrrrr with columnus into heads

But i no know vet

[rigid sky]

That is the other piece of the puzzle :)

[hushed egret]

yeah but it can massively hurt your mobility and demands consistent and frequent headshots which is rough

[rigid sky]

Slow RoF MF scares me

[hushed egret]

in this game you are t really afforded the opportunity to keep it maxed most of the time, at some point you'll have to go on defense and you'll lose stacks

I respect anyone who can pull it off consistently but its gotta be rough

maybe I should try

[rigid sky]

You don't have to keep all your stacks all of the time

[hushed egret]

yeah

[wind spruce]

Just seems garbage with low RoF weapons

[rigid sky]

Just keep as many as you can for as much of the time as you can

[rigid sky]

I feel as if that is true

I only use it with CIAG

[hushed egret]

but sometimes you gotta go offense -> defense -> offense on the fly and every time you go defense you'll lose stacks

[lethal lagoon]

Shriek absolutely has a higher win rate in aurics, it's not even close. But that's mostly because there's a lot of people running smite bubble builds that are functionally useless.

[rigid sky]

But I hear other people make it work

[hushed egret]

someones biased

[rigid sky]

You cannot take abilities in isolation like that, you have to compare entire kits

[wind spruce]

I'll believe it when I see it (a bit like precog not being straight garbage)

[lethal lagoon]

Less to do with me, more so that every known "great" psyker doesn't use bubble lmao.

[rigid sky]

(Which is what you are saying, I know)

[lethal lagoon]

And bubble smite is the worst combo in the game(fight me)

[rigid sky]

You can do worse. Wall Smite.

[lethal lagoon]

[hushed egret]

because most "great" psykers are sweatshops that believe in the age old motto of "less dps = worse"

[twin zephyr]

I use Assail with my true aim build. It's actually pretty good for stacking True Aim. The stacks are consumed on throw of the mind daggers, but generate stacks on hit. It's easy enough to quick toss 5 - 6 of them, then wait for the stacks to build up.

[wind spruce]

Idk wall smite seems more useful than bubble smite

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah I was actually thinking that lmao

But I love

[rigid sky]

Actually that may be true with the stuns

OK, uh...

[hushed egret]

also bubble is inherently somewhat support oriented which inherently means you're relying on other players generating some value on your behalf

which isnt bad, just supportive

[lethal lagoon]

Not even support. Smite is signifcantly reduced in value without shriek.

Even just from a stun perspective

Not even counting everything else.

[hushed egret]

lmao someone doesnt use smite

[lethal lagoon]

[rigid sky]

Scrier's Gaze / anything that isn't gun? Idk Gaze feels risky as fuck if you have all peril weapons

[proven crest]

wall just kinda doesn't do anything special

which is unfortunate, cause i want to like it more

[lethal lagoon]

At level 6 I have a character named OnlySmites, I duoed a Auric Mael.

[rigid sky]

It stops dogs and Mutants, that's nice

[proven crest]

stopping muties? just poke them with your dueling sword

[lethal lagoon]

Saying I "don't use smite

[proven crest]

dogs? just push them

[hushed egret]

smite doesnt rely on duration for value. of course the longer the better, but it has diminishing returns, and there are other ways to prolong smite effectively

[rigid sky]

But I'm smiting 1 poxwalker for 20 seconds to kill it

[wind spruce]

Wanna know something useless? Blazing spirit void applies 6 stacks of soulblaze on the target it explodes on

[torpid girder]

I noticed with the build I am using i'm kinda taking a huge amount of damage from ranged units

[lethal lagoon]

Look at my weakspots and crits

Someone doesn't use smite

[proven crest]

shield eating all projectiles within its radius, which is something you can't replicate by just, you know, playing better

[wind spruce]

With trauma?

[torpid girder]

yea

[proven crest]

is the big thing

[wind spruce]

It takes awhile to get used to

[rigid sky]

Empathetic Evasion can be great

[torpid girder]

Maybe it's also cuz my staff has really bad charge rate so it feels kinda slow sometimes too

[wind spruce]

Not with trauma, doesnt proc enough

[rigid sky]

Consider trying Dome too.

[hushed egret]

evidently not enough. you dont need shriek with smite at all

[rigid sky]

If it doesn't help you, ditch it

But it works for me

[wind spruce]

Yeah you will be suffering from that. You're charge rate is a full 0.36s slower than it could be

[buoyant maple]

It also stops trappers & flamers

[proven crest]

left click quell cancel spam can get some value out of empathetic evasion

[buoyant maple]

Which is kinda underrated

[rigid sky]

And that Roman guy too ( o/ )

[lethal lagoon]

I refuse to believe you aren't trolling.

[wind spruce]

Bro shriek is what makes smite actually god tier

[hushed egret]

I dont understand how that could possibly be the case

[lethal lagoon]

Have you played a smite-heavy build in an auric t5/mael? And have you gotton clear 1st with it?

[wind spruce]

1. Start smiting.
2. Enemies run into smite vector.
3. Shriek.
4. Everything dies.

[rigid sky]

It gives you killing power that you otherwise lack

[hushed egret]

yes

[rigid sky]

And Smite gives you peril generation for Shriek

[lethal lagoon]

As in you are smiting 50%+ the game? Show it then, I geniunely don't believe you did that without shriek.

[rigid sky]

It's a circle of violence

Awimoweh awimoweh awimoweh awimoweh

In Atoma, hive of Atoma, the Psyker smites tonight

[wind spruce]

Making me cackle

[hushed egret]

in a HEAVY smite focused build sure, yeah, take shriek, dome covers too much of the same ground and scriers is literally useless unless you switch to swords, but shriek isnt necessary ro make smite good

[lethal lagoon]

[wind spruce]

Don't be mean to scriers

Atlas is residant smite man

[buoyant maple]

SG is by far the most fun ability imo

[wind spruce]

He knows

[proven crest]

honestly i don't know how anyone even plays psyker

which button do you press

[wind spruce]

I dont know how anyone doesnt

Best class

[lethal lagoon]

Goalpost moving convo is over, agree to disagree, whatever.

[hushed egret]

I didnt move goalpost

[wind spruce]

But moving goalposts makes my arms strong

[hushed egret]

you said smite needed shriek to be good

[lethal lagoon]

I think that would be more shoulders and legs

Depends on the type of goalpost

[lethal lagoon]

from a damage and stun length perspective, yes.

And I ask for proof of it otherwise

[hushed egret]

[lethal lagoon]

You have none, and changed the goalpost

How is it not signficantly reduced in value?

[hushed egret]

I didnt change the goalpost, you did

[wind spruce]

I bicep curl it over my head

[proven crest]

i like headhunter psyker, cause i can smite the targets so they stop moving so i can miss them more efficiently

[lethal lagoon]

That's still gonna be mostly front delts

[hushed egret]

you shifted it from smite generally to smite centric builds

[lethal lagoon]

Okay, sure, how is it not signifcantly reduce in value.

[wind spruce]

@hushed egret You said you dont need shriek to make smite good

[proven crest]

people ask me about my toughness regen, but i'm like dude, mettle is right there