psyker-class

[wind spruce]

yes but not very well

[ornate hamlet]

I've got a BB Bubble Psyker with Purge staff, any recommendations on which melee I should use?

[cosmic sigil]

deimos / duelling 4 / knife

all of them with the uncanny blessing

so that you can proce it and gives rending to your sb stacks

[ornate hamlet]

Oh nice, cheers

[feral verge]

i dont reccomend running bubble with purga

purga really shines with the fire venting shriek ability

i would use bubble with something longer range, too

[rich jolt]

Bubble is good with purg

[cosmic sigil]

mankar, have you tried assail + warp charges?

[rich jolt]

I use it all the time

Equivalent of wrapping your team in bubble wrap and god knows youll need that in randos

[cosmic sigil]

you won't get max sb stack whithout shriek on top iirc

[feral verge]

yeah

purga is good, but just neutered without venting shriek

[rich jolt]

That is important how?

[feral verge]

if i didnt want to run ventign shriek with it, i would run scrier's gaze

[feral verge]

max damage

[ornate hamlet]

Ive found bubble way too effective with randoms in Damnation. I know I could output more with Venting but being able to pop bubble, boost people's toughness and save from gunners/snipers is too valuable to me personally

[feral verge]

kill sh it quickly

[rich jolt]

Ep assail + purg already shreds most stuff in my experience

[ornate hamlet]

If I was in a coordinated team I'd do Venting, but yeah, randoms with no comms

[cosmic sigil]

i mean, if you know the trade off and you can live with it, go all in mate

[rich jolt]

Keep a axe for butchering armored dudes

[cosmic sigil]

use something with uncanny

[feral verge]

deimos with uncanny

[tulip kettle]

trolls trolling trolls

and the blind leading the blind

[cosmic sigil]

yeah, deimos is nice

[rich jolt]

Are you going to say anything else? Or was that it?

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-gif-20369681

[wind spruce]

Bubble bois be bubblin'

[rich jolt]

Venting shriek can be good though. But why scriers? @feral verge

?

[feral verge]

i'd use it over bubble, with purga

[tulip kettle]

because it gives you 20% crit chance as soon as u cast it

[feral verge]

jsut for damage and crit chance

[tulip kettle]

at least thats something

as opposed to bubble

which does nothing

[rich jolt]

Im not going to engage with you dom

[feral verge]

i dont use bubble, but if i did, i would use any staff that isnt purga

[tulip kettle]

good, the feeling is mutual

but continue to comew in here with your troll and bad takes advising noobs with nonsense

[rich jolt]

Iirc staffs + scriers build peril to quickly?

[feral verge]

purga has some of, if not the lowest peril generation

[rich jolt]

I see

Ill have to give that a shot

Right now my only scriers build is melee duel sword

[vocal cliff]

Fun

[feral verge]

i just spent a whole game like that

[vocal cliff]

This was an auric mal and the two zel's

Didn't know where the button was for the door

[rich jolt]

what

[feral verge]

im still decompressing lmao

[rich jolt]

Like

The checkpoint doors?

[vocal cliff]

Yes

[rich jolt]

[vocal cliff]

The button you press after the first objective

[vocal cliff]

Auric mal btw

[feral verge]

eww

get that stone language off of your screen

[rich jolt]

Average zealot player tbh

[vocal cliff]

It's the language the French speak so I can't

That's the only time I'm dunking on my nationality

[feral verge]

it's gross and scary

[vocal cliff]

I get that alot

But in all seriousness idk why it does that

[spice veldt]

tbh i'm surprised that they kept the button there

[vocal cliff]

I think that's just discord compressing it

[spice veldt]

instead of moving it next to the door like most buttons are

[feral verge]

didnt

[feral verge]

ask

[spice veldt]

manky boo

[vocal cliff]

Ah I found the problem

[rich jolt]

Did discord automatically decompress it or something?

Might be a settings thing

[vocal cliff]

It was

Silly me forgot to change the quality settings

[rich jolt]

God im so intelligent

[vocal cliff]

Truly the peak of human intelligence

Yeah that's much better

[cosmic sigil]

WHAT

[vocal cliff]

The run was painful

[cosmic sigil]

i can see...

[vocal cliff]

I gotta run one more match

I'm not ending the day like this

[queen trout]

hey yall, if im using this loadout would you say i should swap specialist to maniac or swap opening salvo to headhunter? im already getting a bunch of crits without headhunter

[tame venture]

is this other dueling sword a better one to build off of?

[hollow current]

considering you can change the perks to w/e you want if you're okay with riposte that's a pretty good upgrade.

[queen trout]

if riposte was higher tier id say yes

[hollow current]

penetration is -kinda- a dump stat since with max uncanny stacks at tier 3 or 4 makes it not matter.

[tame venture]

what about the lower cleave?

[queen trout]

cleave is definity a dump stat on dueling swords

[spice veldt]

cleave damage only affects unarmoured and infested armour damage modifiers

[tame venture]

guide says shred is pretty important too, probably better than r2 riposte?

[hollow current]

test in the psykanium. but so long as you don't lose break points then eh

[spice veldt]

it doesn't affect flak ADMs cuz it's bugged (technically it does scale flak but it stops scaling after like 30% or some very low value that i forgor)

[tame venture]

just got shred 4, i think that's a sign lol

[tacit bobcat]

how often would u say r ur crits on this gun

do u bosskill with this?

do u take care of maniacs with assail?

that is, rager hordes?

what is ur melee choice?

[tame venture]

the psyker guide says to put maniac on DS4, but you oneshot mutants regardless, no?

any reason to have anything other than unyelding then?

[urban sandal]

maybe the waves of mutants since they're weaker but nah you need +maniac to one shot regular mutants in damnation

[queen trout]

often, hopefully, illisis, illisis

without headhunter

[tacit bobcat]

mmmm and without sciers active.. saucy

[vocal cliff]

There

[tacit bobcat]

would probably just replace salvo with no respite on that there vraks

make it easier to clean up the armored trash running at you

or replace that perk with carapace. idk. u use that illisi for dealing with mauler/crusher hordes or ur vraks?

[tame venture]

it already oneshots flamers and bombers on damnation

[queen trout]

isnt salvo better the no respite though? since you can always have it active vs only on staggered enemies

[tacit bobcat]

not sure if theres some hidden tech with opening salvo i dont know about. but in that clip it only activated once during that whole magazine being dumped

[urban sandal]

if that's all that you need then that's fine

[tame venture]

this is what i'm doing with heavies, and lights respectively on mutants

[queen trout]

yeah i was spamming since it was a large stationary target. it reactivates almost immediately after burst

[urban sandal]

heavy into special or vice versa will kill a mutant if you have +maniac

[tacit bobcat]

and i wouldnt count on my brain to wait for a vraks' recoil to vanish to keep shooting Peashooter PVZ style if 3 crushers were running at me

[urban sandal]

not sure if you even need to use the special if you have high enough modifiers

but also dreg ragers

are a bitch

especially when they're green

[eager token]

i oneshot mutants with this

[wind spruce]

Not even close

You need a bunch of buffs to 1-tap muties

[tame venture]

https://youtu.be/Q7CxsAcwssk

ngl this video has me reconsidering that +25% mutant recommendation on things

[ornate hearth]

I want to like DD, but it causes me to lose proper target priority because I'm racing teammates for the one random kill.

It's too difficult to keep up and the bonus isn't enough to justify it IMO. Teammates killing the target should reset the timer.

[urban sandal]

maniac and unyielding are still the way to go for dueling swords because of mutants, trappers and ragers

flak and cara don't do much because of uncanny

and there's no reason to have any of the other perks

[austere crest]

here you go, freak! https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9acc8598-e45b-4dcc-8014-728ff2ccd56a/auric-speed-psyker-ft-run-n-gun

[wind spruce]

He's right about it on some weapons but you're very far away from the mutie breakpoint without it on duelling sword

[wind spruce]

Thanks legend!

[wind spruce]

I just died laughing when I saw you had sprint efficieny on the knife too

I'm surprised you didn't just put moar stam on it

[wind spruce]

Also I had already tried to replicate the talent tree and got it 100% correct by feels xD

Actually one point different, I had one with the warp instead of 5% ranged damage

[wind spruce]

Doesn't carapace still just give you a 20/25% multiplier regardless of uncanny strike

[urban sandal]

I haven't bothered testing that so ig I shouldn't make blanket statements like that

I like having cara on mine regardless

although it's locked in

[wind spruce]

just tested it, did 946 w/out carapace then 1183 with

[urban sandal]

with full uncanny stacks?

[wind spruce]

yeah

and same sword with the perk changed in and out

[urban sandal]

oh nice

[magic hull]

that is the most peaceful auric mal i have ever seen

usually in my lovby it goes batshit crazy, game director throws the wildest shit at me

[vocal cliff]

Oh no everything before was in total

9 trappers
13 flamers
A shit ton of bursters
And so many snipers I couldn't keep up

And 2 monstrosities

[magic hull]

you forgot two unyielding bosses as well

yeah

what i about to say lol

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[vocal cliff]

I thought it'd be fine, it was just a sniper squad burster wave I didn't think it'd be hectic

But it was

Only because no one else on the team had weapons capable of killing the snipers besides me

[magic hull]

but once you go mal you dont go back anymore

[vocal cliff]

True

[tame venture]

rolled this guy, thoughts on what specifically to switch out?

deathspitter and groaners, but to what idk

[vocal cliff]

Im gonna be honest, that shotgun is a brick

The one you have already is already better

[tame venture]

😔

at least FF4 right?

[vocal cliff]

..no

[tame venture]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/728174260878704643/1178364672756437022/salvatory_ogryn.gif

[wind spruce]

Fire frenzy seems bad on the shottie

[tame venture]

i don't entirely get why no respite is considered so vital for shotguns ngl

[wind spruce]

Because it stacks real high iirc, but I haven't played zealot or vet for aaaages

[cosmic sigil]

It stacks high. It's DMG on stagger. Shotguns stagger every shot. So it's reaaaal easy to proce.

It's basically the dumdum of shotguns

I call the expert on shotgun @ember hornet

[wind spruce]

https://youtu.be/Ud-3beZdwQk?

Check this out

[tame venture]

FYI delete everything past and including that "?si" extention. those links can trace back to the google account

also, that's about scattershot? i can imagine how no respite and it is great but still

[wind spruce]

Thanks mate, did I fix it correctly?

[tame venture]

yeap

[wind spruce]

I just thought it was interesting 🙂

[tame venture]

oh i was aware about scattershot

[cosmic sigil]

no respite stack 7 times...

[ember hornet]

yes no respite stacks 7 times

and is based in the current stagger count of the enemy

not an active debuff or what not

scattershot is solid just not for kant

it's also bugged to stack on the cleave list though

so who knows if they will fix that

[cosmic sigil]

wait, so more power = more cleave = more stagger?

[ember hornet]

no scattershot is bugged to stack on cleave list

aka every enemy you could possibly hit regardless of your cleave

[cosmic sigil]

oh sorry, i read no respite instead of scatter

yeah, i like scattershot kant a lot lol

[ember hornet]

for what reason though

[tame venture]

i thought it's good on kant for fire shot spam?

scattershot+flechette on a crit zealot so +bleed too

[cosmic sigil]

oh it's mostly a feeling

everytime i use that combo, i dunno, it works well

[ember hornet]

no, crit does nothing for fire shot

[cosmic sigil]

i don't use it for the fire shot

[ember hornet]

and flechette on kant special only hits the first target of each pellet

[tame venture]

crit activates bleed with a zealot skill

[cosmic sigil]

i special first then ads and shoot

[tame venture]

and that does 'cleave' on the special

[ember hornet]

what

[cosmic sigil]

on melee

[ember hornet]

that's a melee talent

[austere crest]

i used to run block and sprint on melee, and stam and sprint on staff, but it was def overkill at that point

its sick being able to run for literally ever tho

heres an eventual fail from when it was duelling sword still , but that setup was wild https://youtu.be/xVq7e-sGhDw?si=QsRflkXIIq-nCukk&t=81

watching it back i remember the train ful of enemies just..appearing next to me

send friend link via dm

check yo dm missy

[vocal cliff]

Unfortunately I'll be unable to run with ye due to having to be called in for a friend earlier than I anticipated

Sorry

[little rapids]

true aim talent + surge blessing on voidstrike, good? 🤔

[stable halo]

Ok I'm in game now, ready to join or host strike team for all psyker bonanza

In strke team 9 if anyone wants to join shadow wizard money gang

[hollow current]

i warped

[plucky flax]

@lethal lagoon

[lethal lagoon]

I like that's it not even a consideration that you did this willingly

[plucky flax]

Bro is blind.

[lethal lagoon]

He sees what we cannot

[potent echo]

But is your build aUriC ViaBlE

[chrome dust]

Took a hot minute, but finally got a Trauma worth using

Could be better damage but tbh it's not the point

[plucky flax]

It's okay any trauma build is better than blaze.

[chrome dust]

I do like purg staff as well actually

[austere crest]

@stable halo is a Space wizard, that sometimes has a Revolver

[hollow current]

the other times?

[velvet spear]

did i do good siblings

[plucky flax]

Hrm I'd go flak instead.

Let you 1 shot shotgunner with warp charges.

[wind spruce]

Nice but I wouldn't use carapace

Flak - 10 enemies
Carapace - 1 enemy

[velvet spear]

interesting

ill switch it up, cheers

[hearty crane]

I like using Maniac as they're usually what cause me to go "oh shit"

[plucky flax]

I like flak maniac on surge.

Very cool.

Only 548 not 550. Time to scrap.

[velvet spear]

cool cosmetic, sad i missed that one

[untold niche]

Lowers threshold on rager?

LAZORR IN PSYKER CHAT???

[zenith vigil]

^ fake and gay

[ornate hamlet]

does slaughter go to 4?

[plucky flax]

And specials. 2 shot ragers, 1 shot flamer if crit, and trapper is 1 shot without crit.

[wind spruce]

Yes

[ornate hamlet]

ty

[wheat seal]

worth it to buy for Surge lvl 4 ?

[solar schooner]

imo yes

[chrome dust]

Yeah

Not like he’ll ever give a solid all around roll anyways. He’s a blessing vending machine

[wind spruce]

Yes, melks is best used for blessings

And surge can be hard to get

[wheat seal]

melks ?

[wind spruce]

Don't wanna miss out and regret it

[wind spruce]

The daily shop

[wheat seal]

oh

which one is the best for you ?

[vestal fulcrum]

Neither

Very odd perk choices

Well, at least on the one on the right

Crit damage is garbage

If I had to pick one, I’d pick left right , but change cdmg perk to Carapace/Maniac/Flak/Unyielding

[wheat seal]

all the builds we find contradict each other, so it's hard to choose

[unique mist]

are these staffs you actually have or are you just theorising rolls?

for left, change flak to carapace. you could keep maniac if you want, but i'd switch to crit chance. i'd also swap transfer peril for warp nexus

surge+warp flurry is a pretty nice combo though

just depends if you want to get rid of the agonizingly slow base voidstrike charge speed or maximise your surge chances

[cunning plinth]

best way to get my hands on specific staff blessings to extract (say i want to craft a fire trauma staff) is to Just buy a grey one and consecrate it twice right?

or do i need to go up to orange, in order to generate higher lvl Blessings

also, is aiming the trauma staff something you get used to eventually? its kinda annoying at first

[marble crater]

You definitely get used to aiming trauma staff, not sure if you ever get used to aiming at stairs though

[rigid sky]

The hard part isn't just aiming it, it's aiming it while edging your peril and dodging enemy attacks

I run Trauma with Shield and I critical existence failure myself waaaaaaay too much

Should probably take Shriek as an emergency measure but Shriek can't reach crit aura

[cunning plinth]

honestly, if im running anything but the cdr aura and aoe cdr perk people give me Sideeye

[wind spruce]

I criticaled myself so much when learning trauma

Steep learning curve

[cunning plinth]

having shriek is so baked into my muscle memory, i wanted to run shield for the fun hotbox room in the carnival and killed myself like 4 times

[plucky flax]

Yes

[wind spruce]

Others may disagree with me, but I don't think surge is worth taking without warp nexus

Even with true aim

[cunning plinth]

just keep grinding then...

speaking of grinding, do higher lvl blessings spawn on the last consecration or can i just level stuff twice to fish for extracts?

[wind spruce]

I've given up on surge entirely and just gone with warp flurry warp nexus for consistency

[rigid sky]

In EU like nobody takes the meta auras lol

I feel like the only vet running ammo aura

So fuck em, if I'm on a crit psyker build I'm gonna run crit aura

[wind spruce]

I don't believe so, I think just going to blue is fine

[cunning plinth]

how people dont look at the ammo aura and start screaming like monkeys with how good it is is a mystery to me

[wind spruce]

Yeah for sure

[rigid sky]

Who needs it when you can GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO sprint and hoover up all the ammo before your team can get there

[plucky flax]

I run damage aura on vet don't report me

[rigid sky]

Added bonus of suppressing their fighting ability

Which makes you look better in comparison on the scoreboard

Because Darktide is a pvp game

[wind spruce]

This is known.

[rigid sky]

And then why can't I finish any missions :( game must be shit

[near wyvern]

Thx will fix

[cunning plinth]

broke: scoreboard winning by playing well

woke: playing gunker with knife and popping scrier to sprint faster than the zealoz specifically to steal all the ammo

thats a good point though, running maximum cd reduction auras kinda ia betting on my teammates not sitting on their ults waiting for the perfect moment but just sending virtually on cd like shriek

[near wyvern]

Barrel meta

[rigid sky]

Crits on fire trauma are so important though, for example

You really want to make them as reliable as possible, crit aura is worth it imo

[plucky flax]

But creeping flames is also very important. I prefer cdr aura with it.

[rigid sky]

I run shield lol

Because breaking out of a chokepoint is a weakness for Trauma

Coming out of the tunnel in Mercantile for example at the end, you can get shot from all sides and I feel like Trauma struggles on its own. Shield helps a lot.

[cunning plinth]

after i found out the "actual" range of shriek and that it goes through walls and that i get it to like a effectively close to 10sec, i cant really go back

and i think the shield is really good! which is a bummer

[rigid sky]

Shriek is absolutely busted and I love it, but I need some builds to run shield for variety and Trauma makes it feel most right for me

Otherwise all my builds would shriek

Apart from my gunker

[cunning plinth]

i mean im not hating, i run assail in a lot of builds skipping the cd reduction on kill node tragically, just for addclear at midrange when i know i could just melee stuff 95% of the time

thats partially why i want to build a good firetrauma staff

to skip that comfortably

[rigid sky]

I never liked assail, until I started using it with disrupt destiny

That is a combo made in hell to assault the heavens with

EP assail kinda worked but never felt beefy enough

Although I have only tried it playing with my girlfriend who sticks to heresy atm

[cunning plinth]

only recently came back so i have a columnus or whatever its called with an amazing roll but cursed Blessings which i can swap once i get good ones to extract. purgatus staff which i stipped using because murdering infinity hordes at specifically 16m or closer is rarely super relevant outside of the hotbox room, and a surge staff which i really like but feels super annoying without assail

and apart from the gunker, which i kinda stopped using after 2 missions where i wasnt given any ammo for 10min straight, i wanted to check out the more "generalist" staves

which is why i asked about the trauma

[rigid sky]

Trauma is God imo.

But it's the hardest to build

I'm lucky that I have both Traumas at near god level

[cunning plinth]

ive heard good things about the void too, but im just working on the trauma first on a whim

[rigid sky]

Every Staff Is Great

But purgatus in particular gets a bit samey

It's really good but you do get bored

Surge too imo

Void and Trauma have more skill expression

[cunning plinth]

like, i REALLY like the surge, unless im getting pushed hard in melee, purgatus feels pretty slow and Not very useful until its clutch king, but that feels too rare to run as a primary weapon.

i honestly like all of them, my main psyker complaint is mostly how ass brainburst and smite feel.

i run smite most of the time but the correct time.to use it comes up so rarely, i forgot i had a blitz half the time it did

brainburst falls into the odd camp of being useful but feeling worse than the surge vs carapace, or a long range assail shard vs snipers, which is what i keep comparing it to always in my.mind despite that being a bit unfair

[rigid sky]

Brain Rupture is my favourite. It's ol' reliable

It will always work, when the other two may fail you

Also, if Purgatus feels limited, make sure you use the LMB attack appropriately too

You can stagger ragers

[cunning plinth]

i think id gladly run brainburst if instead of a long ass channel it was instant once aimed but had a short cd

[rigid sky]

You can push poxbursters over

[cunning plinth]

like, channel duration cd

[rigid sky]

Take the node that makes it faster after ability use

And possibly take EP if you don't need the warp charges or DD

If I run shield, I run brain rupture with EP

You can create a fortification coming out of a chokepoint

And then rapid fire brain burst all of the asshole bastard gunners and snipers

[cunning plinth]

that feels much better but a bit of annoying friction with fireshriek since "wasting" a shriek with low peril feels sad

feels better with shield, for sure

you p much only run DD with void staff and or gunker right?

[rigid sky]

It is a pity you can't take assail with Shriek iirc

[cunning plinth]

you can and i do!

[rigid sky]

Personally yes, I run it in both of those circumstances and only those circumstances

Oh, OK, probably worth going assail on Purgatus then

[cunning plinth]

assail just locks you out of the 1-2 sec off ult cd for the entire team every time you kill a elite balanced node

[rigid sky]

Maybe I'm thinking of it not being able to reach the shitty +elite aura

[cunning plinth]

the reason i stopped doing that build is that your plan for carapace essentially boils down to "please mr zealot save me, everything except the 3 maulers bullying me is dead please save me please"

[rigid sky]

Uncanny épée to the face more like

Or push them over with a Deimos, charge it up and give them a transnasal lobotomy

But brain rupture is very safe as anti-crusher and mauler

[wind spruce]

Take a deinos or duelling sword. Problem solved

[cunning plinth]

dude, My favorite part about gaze + dd wasnt actually the gun but the stabby headpoke crusher/mauler oneshots

[rigid sky]

You just have to hit a few of them

[marble crater]

Purgatus deals decently well with maulers, imo

[wind spruce]

Yeah because they burn as flak

[cunning plinth]

its true, i propably need to get out of the habit of "avoiding" melee as a psyker

[marble crater]

Now crushers on the other hand...

[rigid sky]

If you have a hordeclear staff, you want a hard-target-killing melee

Step in (or dodge), assassinate, back off

Mutants fear you

[cunning plinth]

thats a reason i am kinda torn between the deimos and the dueling sword. dueling sword stab etc feels super nice, and i know you are supposed to heavy attack with the deimos, but the force attack stunning what you are hitting makes going in with the deimos feel.way less scary

[rigid sky]

They are more or less interchangable

Duelling Sword has less set-up and better dodges

Deimos has better defenses generally

[wind spruce]

Yeah but once you're in auric maelstrom and facing 5-10 crushers at once the self stun is even more risky

[wind spruce]

Only if you take deflector

[cunning plinth]

i get pretty ashamed when somebody has to revive me so i play pretty safe most of the time, i dont have zealot mindset where downstate is build in as a short coffee break

[wind spruce]

Otherwise it's strictly worse on defense

[rigid sky]

Also the push

[wind spruce]

True, forgot about that

[rigid sky]

Push is absolutely huge

[marble crater]

Do the dueling swords not have a push?

[rigid sky]

Especially once you understand the difference between the phases of the force sword push

[rigid sky]

They have an ordinary one which is fine

[wind spruce]

I never utilised it that much even with about 4 months maining the illisi pre patch 13

The push attack I mean

[cunning plinth]

currently working myself up to damnation, doing auric heresy mostly until i can consistently not go down at all and or score top damage/less damage taken.

it also makes sense for me as im.still farming to run missions where most runs are sucessfull since i need the resources badly

[rigid sky]

Force swords have a better push, and then a longer range single target push attack which can knock a Gunner over at medium range.

[wind spruce]

I sincerely suggest you just go up to damnation now

[cunning plinth]

oh, question, normal melee Push, very intuitive, the force sword push has 2 parts, what do they actually do

[wind spruce]

If you can do auric heresy you can do regular damnation

Start getting used to the damage taken and health of enemies

[rigid sky]

My dude, you are doing harder stuff than regular damnation

[cunning plinth]

will do!

[wind spruce]

And there's better team mates on damn

[cunning plinth]

oh, really?

well, good to know

[rigid sky]

Heresy is the big leap. The next big leap is modifiers.

[marble crater]

Regular damn is easier than regular heresy, change my mind

[rigid sky]

Heresy to Damnation is rather minor.

[rigid sky]

Too many people also think this now, the damnation player pool is weaker than it was

[cunning plinth]

i get a suprising amount of sub lvl 30 teammates who are either somebodies alt and somehow godlike, or the run dies on the first mixed horde

[rigid sky]

So this is no longer true imo

[cunning plinth]

i usually keep aiming for high intensity or some Horde for the extra Money

[marble crater]

Oh, so that all backfired nicely then huh?

[rigid sky]

First part is a normal shape push, but stronger. Second part (the push attack) is a single target longer reach push.

But second part costs peril and can cause you to unalive yourself.

[cunning plinth]

psyker unaliving "oh im sorry my bad"
knife zealot 3000km ahead of the group getting greeted by the worlds friendliest dog "you are all bots cyka "disconnects""

[rigid sky]

Also the auric board existing has siphoned off a lot of the very skilled, accidentally-carries-the-team people

[wind spruce]

Yeah this is true

It's surprising how bad people are when I do a regular damn

[wet belfry]

The leap from heresy hi-int to damn is minor

[rigid sky]

It's a downward leap lol

[wet belfry]

Its like 20% more spawns vs 30% higher stats.

[wind spruce]

Fun getting more chances to clutch tho

[cunning plinth]

i think i asked this a week ago or so, but a lot of stuff i find online is saying that gunker, because of how many multiplicate buffs you can stack, is like the objectively best psyker build and ammo is not an issue becuase the gun has an assload of ammo. Every time i play it though, i do run into ammo issues and scriers uptime feels kinda low (becaus CDR doesnt proc while its up). Is that because the people online just assume to have an ammo aura on the team and nobody joinking ammo, or am i just wasting shots

[wet belfry]

I dont think gunker is the objecively best psyker build at all.

[wind spruce]

You might not be meleeing enough, I'm usually fairly good for ammo with the columnus

[wet belfry]

Its decent however.

[cunning plinth]

yeah, that makes sense, considering how i tend to avoid melee reflexively

[wind spruce]

I'd say it's as good as any one of the staves and columnus is so broken it probably does top the builds imo

Any other gun - gunker definitely isn't the best

[rigid sky]

CIAG gunker is absolutely hilarious

[cunning plinth]

it really does seem to be "applying 12 multiplicate buffs to the best gun gets funny", rather than the build itself being inherently op

[rigid sky]

You sit there twiddling your thumbs when you hear the boss spawn while you build gaze stacks while quelling

Then the moment you see the weakspot, you burn that fucker with the power of a thousand suns

[wet belfry]

The way i play colomnus on psyker is mainly by spamming scriers gaze, keeping disrupt destiny up.

scriers gaze has like a 40% uptime as an abillty by just spamming it.

[wind spruce]

The scaling from DD is what really makes it

[cunning plinth]

though, if im only supposed to use it vs elites mostly, and if we factor in ammo conservation, effective range, and reloads, my elite killing didnt actually "feel" that much faster than just going ham with a surge and shrieking on cd

[wind spruce]

It's ridiculous

[rigid sky]

You just gotta be careful about when you Assail

[wet belfry]

thats 72% of the game benefitting from scriers gaze stacks at any point.

[wind spruce]

I don't run colomnus with assail

[rigid sky]

Assail is a big part of it

[cunning plinth]

really? i didnt actually see people run it with assail at all

they picked smite to get to the cdr on elite kill node

and then basically never used their blitz at all

[wind spruce]

Yep that's what I do

[cunning plinth]

assail "should" be good with it for the downtime from scriers and conserving ammo, but ive not actually tested it. Ive only used it as stopgap for staves with weak horde clear, aka surge

[wind spruce]

Yeah it's definitely good with it

[rigid sky]

Assail gets my DDs and horde clears. It saves me ammo and stops me from becoming a drain.

It's also convenient to have out for quelling to build more stacks

[cunning plinth]

so the loop "intended" by the designers is basically, scriers + gun into assail on the downtime into scriers again once cd is up. right?

[rigid sky]

It's the least risky blitz to use during Gaze, but it's still risky

[wind spruce]

Yeah something like that

[rigid sky]

Assail for the first 10 stacks or so

[cunning plinth]

ngl, i dont dare spending peril during gaze, without panic scream

[rigid sky]

Until it gets too dangerous

[wind spruce]

I use assail a fair bit while in scriers

Live on the edge

[cunning plinth]

no fear zealot mindset

[rigid sky]

Every time you blow yourself up, you are learning what you can get away with

[wind spruce]

The trick is to weave 2 shards in and swap

Don't stand there shooting off 5 assails

[rigid sky]

And what you can't

[wind spruce]

@rigid sky the adrenal from it is amazing

[rigid sky]

Gaze Assail usage is just different from non-gaze

[wind spruce]

Have you tried it with las pistol kaliste

[rigid sky]

After 10 stacks, think VERY carefully about each Assail after

[wind spruce]

Las pistol assail was my favourite build when patch 13 dropped

[rigid sky]

After 20 stacks, either keep quelling or start blasting

[rigid sky]

My laspistol isn't as good. I tried it but CIAG just feels wonderful

I am addicted

Only way I can play gunker

Uh oh 1% battery

[cunning plinth]

true. see that build "DOES" sound fun as fuck and unshits my ammo economy, but man i hate the team cdr node because how bad it feels to not run it. the 10% cdr team aura is like 3seconds of a 30sec burst, every single elite kill is like 1.5. if im killing like a stack of gunners or dogs, im basically giving everybody their ult back.

[wind spruce]

Yeah it's a hard trade off

[cunning plinth]

i wish i could swap builds mid run once, when i notice the other people are barely using their bursts anyway

[wet belfry]

I dont think mixing in assail is as powerful as just focusing on the gun.

[wind spruce]

Yeah I feel you about the CIAG. The las pistol is pretty addictive too with assail weaving because of how fast the switch time is

[cunning plinth]

it propably isnt. but the "intended" gameplay loop of the right side of the tree does sound very fun.

[wind spruce]

Plus then your crit assails are applying burn from infernus xD

[cunning plinth]

i was about ask. How much worse are the other weapons really to the columnus

[wind spruce]

The columnus is pretty fucking broken

It's warping the communities sense of how good the other guns are

[cunning plinth]

it feels pretty short range for how id want to use it, in that range, i can get rushed by dudes in the space it takes to reload once

but thats me being bad at spacing and having run that build like, 4 times total, getting ammo scammed in 2 of them, and switching

[wind spruce]

That's where dodging comes in

Dodge slide while reloading

Dodging is the true master art of Darktide

Ok it's scriers gaze surge voidstrike time

[wind spruce]

You've definitely gotta get used to it, took me awhile

[plucky flax]

Post your blaze trauma

[rigid sky]

If I remember when next I log in

It's only nexus 3 but yeah

Uh are my messages coming through

[wet belfry]

no

[plucky flax]

Nexus 3 rip

Mine is near god roll and has nexus 4.

[rigid sky]

I think the nexus was the one I reblessed with though, so I just need Melk or Jimmy to grant me a IV to change it with

[rigid sky]

Get that 43% shit away from me and my corpse starch

[wet belfry]

Damage barely matters on the weapon anyways

[rigid sky]

Really, on Trauma too?

I knew that was true for Purgatus but trauma surprises me

[quasi grotto]

The explosion still feels like it does a good amount of damage though

[rigid sky]

It's not like a burning trauma isn't still a trauma

I still want the centre of it to turn heretics into bloody chunks

The burn part is more for widening out the damage

Not to replace it

It's practically irrelevant to the centre since the staff is so powerful

[plucky flax]

Yeah damage scales quite a lot.

My 80% does 660 at full charge. That's huge.

[wind spruce]

Every 25% damage modifier on the trauma is essentially 10% actual damage

As its 500-700 iirc

[wet belfry]

so 80% is like 33%?

[rigid sky]

Better to view it inverted imo

So 0% stat is like missing 28% actual damage

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-американскийпсихопат-кристианбейл-american-psychopath-christian-bale-gif-17867735

LETS SEE PAUL ALLENS BLAZE TRAUMA

[cunning plinth]

so whats the "dump stat" anyway? quell speed/warp resistance?

or do you kinda want all of them so you just go for like a roll as close to 380 as you can get your hands on

[wet belfry]

In my opnion the only bp i care about here is the shotgunner bp on trauma

So whatever damage lets you keep that

[tulip kettle]

sad damage noises

[rigid sky]

Warp resistance is always dump

[tulip kettle]

only 2 shots non crushers

[rigid sky]

Quell is usually secondary dump

Purgatus dumps damage

You don't want warp resistance to be literally 0, but it's the one you care about least since peril generation is your main toughness engine

And warp resistance scales very poorly

(Well, peril clearing is the engine, but you can't quell peril if you don't generate it)

[wind spruce]

Mettle is bigger with trauma

Since even the enemies you tickle on the outer edge for like 30 damage count as an individual crit (if you crit)

0 to 100 toughness with one trauma blast

But I agree warp resistance is the "dump"

[cunning plinth]

my staves all happen to have super high warp resistance and it has lead to me unselecting some perks that quell peril on kill because i have peril erectile disfunction with them i swear

that was one of the reasons i liked assail because spamming the shards was a great way to make the number go to 85 when i really needed a good shreak "now"

[wind spruce]

Battle meditation is overrated anyway

[cunning plinth]

its not super intuitive for a new player. its called peril and if its high it kills you so you and you cant cast anymore, so you would think you would want to keep that shit low. WRONG

[rigid sky]

Battle Meditation or Shriek. Both together are counterproductive.

Battle Meditation is a kinda bad node unless you need it

[wind spruce]

The issue with battle med is its just not that impactful, imo

You average 1% peril quelled per kill

So every 100 kills you've quelled a full bar

[cunning plinth]

also, when i actually need the peril to cast harder, im sending shit into carapace or monsters, so im not actually killing a lot

it basically always procs a lot when i need peril more than the extra casts

thinking about it

the one time i really want peril quelling is in scriers gaze, and then im not actually doing warp attacks

[plucky flax]

For what?

[cunning plinth]

non purg staffs lets say

[cunning plinth]

actually, since we earlier said that gunker is partially about how busted the autorifle is, and that for that reason, assail in that build is worse than just focusing on the gun harder, would that change if the autorifle got nerfed to be more in line with other weapons? whats generally considered to be the second best? laspistol/revolver? they sound like they would enjoy being run with assail

[plucky flax]

Depend.

[wind spruce]

Naturally the less you can do with just your gun/melee the more you need assail for damage, but you can definitely run other guns without assail

Las pistol and revolver are good. I'm surprised las pistol in particular doesn't see more play

Revolver suffers from long reload time.

[rigid sky]

Assail is mostly to save ammo anyway

Both in your total ammo supply and in your mag

I think Assail feels really weedy without DD too.

Empowered Psionics is overrated for it

Disrupt Destiny turns every single Assail you throw into a death machine

[wind spruce]

DD so underrated

[rigid sky]

It was shit to begin with

[wind spruce]

Elaborate?

I didn't think it'd changed

[rigid sky]

Maybe I was the shit one lol

And I wasn't using it with a sensible build

I think they made the targets appear more consistently at some point?

[wind spruce]

Ah yeah that does ring a bell

I loved it from day 1

[opal pebble]

What dd upgrade do you go for with assail?

[rigid sky]

I always take duration

15 stacks is plenty

If you don't take duration, good luck getting past 15 in the first place

[cunning plinth]

the aimed assail throw to kill your random DD target is pretty comfy too, instead of trying to long range tap them with the autorifle

[rigid sky]

To kill your target, and two other random assholes standing somewhere in the same room

[wheat seal]

these builds in this guide are good ?

[rigid sky]

I like to use it to build specific weapons rather than to design my entire build personally

Read the point by point descriptions there to see if anything is stronger or weaker than it looks

For example, to see that the fire Shriek is much much much better than the raw damage one

[tulip kettle]

but yes, they are generally really good. Pygex is very knowledgeable, a few things are subjective opinions in this game and once you have experience you may decide on your own preferences for stuff but the aethenium is a great starting point.

[cosmic sigil]

but what about warp charges and assail?

[rigid sky]

Never tried it! I don't like the point investment for WCs much though

Since it's the weakest branch before the keystone

[cosmic sigil]

I might try that with my melee / gun build

In the psykhanium the average DMG was nice at high peril and with warp charges

[oak glen]

something out of context now:
are there any good looking skind for the force staffs? feels like that there are only 3 in total: the fire wastes skin, the crucis nightshade and the mortis operative right?

[cosmic sigil]

At that point there's the weapon custom mod

I wish I could transform the staff in a sword

[tulip kettle]

which would you use?

i havent seen much of a difference between them honestly

[wheat seal]

carapace perk for voidstrike ?

[vocal cliff]

It's nice to have, especially with surge because on procc it has the chance to one shot crushers, however it can be finicky so at most they'll be a cough away

[rigid sky]

Relatedly,

Which melee weapon pairs best with a surge voidstrike?

[wheat seal]

Tier S

[rigid sky]

I am currently using DS4 but it feels redundant

It's mostly anti-mutant for me

[icy gulch]

Yes exactly

Maelstrom mutant waves

[rigid sky]

Since Voidstrike deals with everything else

It's so versatile

[vocal cliff]

Pretty good, but I'd swap rampage out for riposte as the dueling sword isn't the kinda weapon to work with rampage as well as other melees

[wheat seal]

this is realy good to take +10% ranged damaged (elites) ?

[tulip kettle]

on what staff and build?

[wheat seal]

surge

[tulip kettle]

yes.

you want flak and elites or crit chance

because it always hits torsos.

[tulip kettle]

only one enemy has a carapace torso.

iunstead of pointing at stuff thats in tyhere and saying "is this good or right"

assume it is.

[wheat seal]

elites or crit chance ?

[rigid sky]

Yes.

[wheat seal]

which one is better I mean

[rigid sky]

YOU ARE OUT OF QUESTIONS.

[wheat seal]

ahah

[rigid sky]

(But really idk I'm just here for the memes)

[wheat seal]

I spend all my time thinking about the best builds, and this game pushes me to the limit

[tulip kettle]

yeah sure

its not that youre oput of questions

i just tabbed in and saw 4 in a row of "is this right"

so think about it

5% crit chance can be very good

the lower your crit chance otherwise is, the better it is

surge is designed for killing elites

its not good for killing trash

so, if a crit allows you to 1 shot a certain enemy

maybe you want more crits

wheras elite will just give you more consistent dmg vs all the targets you want to use the surge staff on

and as nearly every elite has a flak torse, where surge staff always hits

you want +flak

also i just died 1 min into the mission by dodging a crusheroverhead off an edge in lights out

then the crusher slammed my hands and i fell to my death

very cool

[wheat seal]

I was playing this on Surge

[tulip kettle]

okay well crit damage is trash

and as you have modified them

why would you choose to go for lvl 3 instead of lvl 4

[wheat seal]

I was poor ahahahha

[tulip kettle]

i see.

well i would change it to 5% crit CHANCE and flak dmg

but i think surge worst staff IN MY OPINION

[wheat seal]

They tell me I've already earned it on the Purgatus, but I can't put it on my Surge, I have to earn the blessing from the same weapon?

[vocal cliff]

Because staffs unlike other weapons and their marks do not share blessings

[rigid sky]

Every staff is unique

They often have different blessings available to them so they're classed differently

Like Surge doesn't make sense on anything but a Voidstrike so it's not avail-- hold on somebody is passing me a note

[mighty cipher]

What was the Mutant instakill threshold for Deimos

[tulip kettle]

what do you mean vulkan?

you can only one shot on the heavy stab attack that is chained from your first attack

[mighty cipher]

The second heavy attack of the Deimos has some of the highest damage numbers in the game. at some point it can literally oneshot a mutant regardless of difficulty. I remember the number being somewhere around 1000. The one I just got is 1017.

[tulip kettle]

well, DOES it 1 shot a mutant?

[mighty cipher]

I dont know

I just got it

[tulip kettle]

this will do it

but not without the maniac perk

[wheat seal]

I've just tried a build with Trauma and shield, it's cool but compared to Assail + Voidstrike it's very very inferior

[tulip kettle]

and it shows as 1060 on weakspots

[tulip kettle]

just, bad take

shield is generally bad anyway

[mighty cipher]

Do you ever just forget that the Psyhkarnium exists?

[tulip kettle]

voidstrike is very strong and ez to use

so everything will feel "worse" until you get better

trauma requires very specific rolls to be good

and assail is a massive crutch for most psykers that suddenly stops carrying you when you play damnation

[gaunt monolith]

Any advice which perks and such I should go with? Im mainly focusing on crowd control but sometimes sticky situations forces me to join in on the killing so I need a secondary wep that means business

[wheat seal]

Assail is just too strong

[tulip kettle]

yes, until you play damnation

[wheat seal]

I'm in damnation?

[tulip kettle]

what makes you say its "too strong"

it takes multiple shards to kill anything

when a hordge with 4 bulwarks and 4 crushers comes along and a single crusher eats all 10 of your shards for 10% of its hp

i dont think you will say its so strong

[wheat seal]

strong in every situation

[lyric burrow]

Assail is 100% overtuned ngl

[tulip kettle]

unfortunately, hadron kinda fucked you here

[lyric burrow]

Its a 3rd weapon

Entirely

[tulip kettle]

oh i agree

its a weapon that kills trash semi efficiently

and takes a long time to kill everything else except snipers

[lyric burrow]

It kills basically everything except crushers baring using uncanny pretty efficiently imo

Like you can just wipe out entire elite patrols

They arent really a limited resource either

[tulip kettle]

i dont understand how you can have used it and think that, but thats just my opinion

assail is very good

on lower difficulties it kills everything with no effort

if you know how to weave effectively with your melee its certainly a nice horde clearing tool in higher difficulties

[rigid sky]

It's better with DD too

Adds a lot of damage on

[tulip kettle]

but, it is not good

[lyric burrow]

DD is p good wym

[rigid sky]

Hence why they're in line with each other I guess

[lyric burrow]

Its not EP

But its still quite strong

+base damage and finesse is quite strong

Esp for psyker weapons

[tulip kettle]

yes DD is fun when it works

im just really confused if im honest, maybe its me

[lyric burrow]

It can be a little buggy but i dont have that much trouble with it honestly

[tulip kettle]

and i know i can be an asshole

but how can you not understand basic concepts, mechanics and interactions

then confidently state that a build you played once is worse than another

[lyric burrow]

What

[rigid sky]

Trauma takes a lot of practice to be better than dogshit imo.

Took me ages to get good with it

[tulip kettle]

for sure

i agree

[rigid sky]

Highest skill weapon for psyker

[tulip kettle]

i think once you can use it its got the most potential

highest floor and highest ceiling

so again, playing it once, when you are a noob to psyker anyway and have been playing void shriek assail

then saying its bad

just doesnt work in my brain

[rigid sky]

Are you talking to two different people?

[gaunt monolith]

Oh crap .. I mastered trauma quite well .. just unsure of which weapon I should use so far to assist

[tulip kettle]

yeah your deimos is not looking great here

[rigid sky]

The guy who said it was bad was a different person

[tulip kettle]

i know

[rigid sky]

Ah k

[tulip kettle]

its discord convos

i dont use the reply button enough

[wheat seal]

even in damnation assail kill everyone with no effort ahah

[tulip kettle]

right, until you arent being asssisted by your team

and you realise your 10 assail shards can kill at most 30 trash untis if you spam all 10

[lyric burrow]

Honestly might argue void is still stronger than trauma but its close

[tulip kettle]

void is strong af i agree

but the CC of trauma allows you to do stuff you cant with other staves

[rigid sky]

And LMB is still actually great

[gaunt monolith]

Really? I gotta check that out. Trauma for me still pretty OP and keeps team mates alive

[wheat seal]

with assail + voidstrike I have almost 1 Million damage every game (Auric Damnation or Maelstrom)

[rigid sky]

There is no bad staff category

[tulip kettle]

calumi

[gaunt monolith]

I suppose it all depends on the player

[rigid sky]

They are all great to god-tier

[tulip kettle]

your scoreboard shows what im saying

it shows me you just spam assail into hordes

and killed 20 melee elites total of that "1 million dmg"

[rigid sky]

Also depends on your build. You have to properly support every weapon.

[wheat seal]

the fact of clearing a horde quickly helps the team a lot in my opinion, I've just lost a game with trauma for example because I couldn't get the gunners etc

[rigid sky]

Like I will die on the hill that Dome is made for Trauma

[tulip kettle]

dome is just bad

[rigid sky]

So this is what I was just about to say

Dome and brain rupture

[tulip kettle]

and imagine not LMBing the gunner 3 times with a trauma to kill it

[lyric burrow]

Clearing a horde with assail is fine so long as you can steal deal with elites and whatnot

[rigid sky]

You can establish a fortification and rapidly eliminate priority targets

[tulip kettle]

dome is bad.

[wheat seal]

I'm playing this with trauma

[tulip kettle]

i will explain why

[rigid sky]

It's situational.

And overrated

[tulip kettle]

when you dont need dome, its fine

[rigid sky]

But not bad.

[tulip kettle]

it will let you stand somewhere you otherwise shouldnt and shoot at stuff

when you actually need dome to be good

aka, you round a corner into 6 reapers

it collapses in 3 seconds flat

[rigid sky]

It has a minimum duration, right?

Like it can't collapse faster than 6s or so

[tulip kettle]

6s

[lyric burrow]

6s is a pretty significant amount of time and CDR is not hard to get on psyker

[tulip kettle]

so when your team comes running into the dome thinking they are safe

[rigid sky]

With EP and the ability use gives faster brain ruptures

[tulip kettle]

and then it collapses

[rigid sky]

That's a lot of dead priority targets

[tulip kettle]

its bad

like i love BB ep

[rigid sky]

Although you do struggle with reapers like that

[tulip kettle]

and thats ALL that dome is for

[rigid sky]

But other gunners get karked on

[tulip kettle]

any other time you use dome

[lyric burrow]

Most of the time im not even in the dome for 6s i just run through it to advance to gunners

[tulip kettle]

you could have just shrieked

[lyric burrow]

Or w/e we domed for

[rigid sky]

Shriek is usually better, I do agree

[tulip kettle]

shriek also stops the 10 gunners shooting at you and your team

[rigid sky]

Yep. It's great and most psykers should use it.

[tulip kettle]

if bubble amped the damage of those inside it

[rigid sky]

Dome is strictly for Trauma imo.

[tulip kettle]

i would rate it much more

i dont run dome with trauma

[rigid sky]

Bubble should give overshield while inside it

[tulip kettle]

i run creeping flames with blaze trauma ofc

[rigid sky]

I hate that it does almost nothing to melee damage

That's its biggest heresy imo

I would like it to maybe make melee attackers hesitate for a moment like it does in Deep Rock

Gunner shield is a lot better

[tulip kettle]

hah

[gaunt monolith]

Yes indeed

[tulip kettle]

well, the thing is, the walls kind of have that functionality

they actively stop stuff coming through

[rigid sky]

But they're just worse than Shriek strictly imo

[tulip kettle]

agreed

[rigid sky]

Dome works because of 360 degree protection

Without it, just run something else

[lyric burrow]

I find walls to be nice

Its less good with a slower team, id prefer dome in that case

I dont really run either that often though

[paper loom]

slaughtere on force sword is it any good?

[lyric burrow]

Which one

[rigid sky]

Illisi yes

[rigid sky]

Deimos not really

[rigid sky]

Obscurus is heresy

[paper loom]

well its in Melk for lvl 4 was thinking buy for blessing

[lyric burrow]

Its still fine on deimos, uncanny is the most important thing for it

But its not amazing

Level 4 slaught is worth grabbing ye

[paper loom]

shame dmg is low

[tulip kettle]

this is a pretty unoptimized tree honestly, what sort of trauma are you running?

[tulip kettle]

obscuras is just poopy

[paper loom]

dont think ive tried it

[lyric burrow]

Its the old one

[tulip kettle]

illisi for hordes, deimos for eiltes

[lyric burrow]

Its fine but outright worse than the other 2

No reason to use it really

[tulip kettle]

obscura does neither well and has a janky attack pattern imo

[rigid sky]

It used to be arguably our best weapon besides combat axe bullshit

Then the other two released, Obscurus actually got buffed

And it's still worthless

[lyric burrow]

Yeah those were the dark days of psyker melee

[rigid sky]

Because the other two exist

[tulip kettle]

going back a bit, for @gaunt monolith , deimos really wants uncanny strike blessing, maniac perk, then flak or carapace

[paper loom]

lol i just bought that sword for the blessing and forgot i already had it

[lyric burrow]

F

[paper loom]

2.7k melk bucks down the drain

[tulip kettle]

then your other blessing is personal choice, but blazing spirit is bad on swords

because it wont actually do anything for you

anything you crit will dfie anyway

and if you dont crit it wont apply

so its a really bad blessing

[rigid sky]

I advocate hard for Deflector personally

[tulip kettle]

i like deflector too

[lyric burrow]

Idk if ive ever run deflector honestly

Its a good blessing tho

[tulip kettle]

i run deflector on illisi and unstable on deimos

[lyric burrow]

Ive just always preferred more damage

[tulip kettle]

with illisi, with + flak and + infested it will kill everything you want it to kill already so you can get away with deflector

on deimos, i always want MOAR POWER

[wheat seal]

I’m following this guide

[hollow hatch]

Hey guys. I'm way too stupid to actually make a build. Is there generally a meta build now? Or is it more like build this to do well at that rather than a jack of all trades?

[tulip kettle]

yeah sure calumi, and like i said

they are good starting points

once you understand more you can think about what you might change and why

that build has warp charges

your build has EP

[hollow hatch]

I'm currently playing a brain burst build and it feels pretty good? But watching people throw up bullet shields and stunning everyone with lightning also seems insane.

[rigid sky]

Basically anything works if you build smartly

[tulip kettle]

so you are sacrificing so much of your dmg potential for more brainburst

[rigid sky]

Some individual talents are very strong

Like the one where quelling peril generates toughness

[tulip kettle]

smite is the biggest crutch on psyker

[rigid sky]

You almost always want that

[tulip kettle]

its worse than assail

[rigid sky]

But the big ticket perks are all takable

[hollow hatch]

I have mine set to generating peril gives Toughness atm

[rigid sky]

You just have to make them work

[rigid sky]

You can take both

But the quelling one is twice as strong

It should be prioritised

You don't have to actively quell to trigger it

[hollow hatch]

Basically I just got back to the game and I'm trying to figure it out. Got 30 on everything back then so it's a little overwhelming to have all this choice now.

[tulip kettle]

yeah sure

[hollow hatch]

And I don't want to be useless on my team.

[rigid sky]

Any time peril goes down, you get toughness

[tulip kettle]

liracy, take a look here

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

its a good jumping off point

[rigid sky]

Consult thy atheneum as a starting point

[hollow hatch]

I'll do that. Thanks.

[tulip kettle]

then feel free to start asking questions on what you see

[rigid sky]

See the talents it lists as essential and which it lists as shit

And then try your own shit out

[tulip kettle]

and also, you are not, in any way, following this guide

[hollow hatch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/18mscr3/the_easiest_yet_most_powerful_psyker_build_there/

This is the build I copied.

[tulip kettle]

that guide is a completely different tree, for completely different weapons

[rigid sky]

Figure out which staff (or no staff at all) you want to try first

When you get bored of it, try something else

Psyker has a crazy amount of build variety

[tulip kettle]

yeah that build is a troll

[hollow hatch]

Oh.

😭

[tulip kettle]

like, its not

its really very good

but you need THAT SPECIFIC STAFF to make it work

if you dont have that EXACT staff it will be garbage

[hollow hatch]

Aaah which of course I don't have.

My gear is rather shit.

[wheat seal]

Why

[tulip kettle]

because the guide is for surge staff, and has smite and warp charges

your build is with a trauma staff, using BB bubble and EP

they are, not in any way the same or related

[wheat seal]

Oh wait ahahaha

[rigid sky]

This is my main build ATM lol

[wheat seal]

I take the wrong one 🤣

[hollow hatch]

This guy has a drg profile picture. I'd listen to him tbh.

[rigid sky]

Even though psyker shield is the worst of all the middle ability team support abilities

[wheat seal]

this one I mean

[tulip kettle]

😄 lol thanks, but there are a few guys here who know much more than me

yeah so thats slightly better for trauma, its a good basic starting point

[gaunt monolith]

Many thanks

[rigid sky]

Yup that's almost me

[tulip kettle]

though it has wildfire, and leans heavily into using BB

[hollow hatch]

Did they change the way Toughness functions? I feel like I'm taking so much less chip damage now.

[rigid sky]

I run battle meditation over puppet master though

[tulip kettle]

it also wants crits

[rigid sky]

Crit aura too yep

[tulip kettle]

its not too clear, but that build is like, a "blaze trauma" build but with bubble instead of creeping shriek

[rigid sky]

Lots of people run yellow toughness granting abilities on vet and zealot atm

Which means it's harder to take chip damage, and easier to totally resist stuff like sniper bullets, poxbursters, overheads

[tulip kettle]

@wheat seal i just threw this together https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b43a84c-50bc-4305-8acd-a61ef5b70f1e/basic-trauma-bubble

this is a basic non blazing trauma build

you use the staff on elites and sword for trash

[hollow hatch]

Game literally feels like it went from a 4 out of 10 to like an 8 out of 10. It's pretty great now. Had a blast with it the few missions I've been back for.

[tulip kettle]

BB is just for distant snipers and gunners that you dont feel able to left click with your staff.
you could also take smite instead if you prefer it

[hollow hatch]

Is there a pure BB build?

[rigid sky]

BB also works for monstrosities

Easy safe damage

[tulip kettle]

true my dude, im thye guy in this chat that argues with the other nerds about BB being great monstrosity DPS if you build for it

but that tree really doesnt get anything from using BB

the one i shared above

[tulip kettle]

not really

[hollow hatch]

Awh

[tulip kettle]

but i have one that i run where i use BB a lot

[hollow hatch]

Bb feels very good after shriek where it's super fast and almost no build up

[tulip kettle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b43a84c-50bc-4305-8acd-a61ef5b70f1e/basic-bb-build

indeed

with this, my general goal is to BB any gunners or snipers or shotgunners or ragers

they will die in one BB and regen the stack of EP used

trash hordes get burned, crushers + maulers get stabbed if they get too close

if a boss spawns, throw out your 3 EP BB's, then another, then shriek, then throw 3-4 more

its 8 or 9 brainbursts, 3 with EP, in the space of 11 seconds

which is very respectable monstrosity dmg

but really BB is just worse than assail if you want to use it as an actual weapon. EP is also just.... bad honestly

like, its very good at what its for

[plucky flax]

Wildfire pog

[tulip kettle]

but missing out on warp charges to empower your blitz which is generally used least is a poor opportunity cost exchange

[tulip kettle]

with a non blazing trauma build no less

[paper loom]

anyone tried this gun? what belssings work best?

[rigid sky]

warp charges are a big point investment though

that's my only problem with them

they're great but expensive

[plucky flax]

Must be good

[plucky flax]

Good choice blaze trauma bad.

[rigid sky]

especially since warp charges are buried under the worst branch out of the three bottom branches for psyker

[tulip kettle]

i havent tried the burst HH version but i have used the agrip mark 1 IAG which is similar but with access to better blessings

[rigid sky]

like coherency radius is good but undramatic

compared with warp flurry, kinetic deflection, true aim, that one crit +5% node

[tulip kettle]

thing is most builds you can grab warp rider and KD

[rigid sky]

and faster quell speed is actually a joke

the left branch you only go down to get to warp charges, so you're looking at like 9 points or so if you wanna go right to the bottom of it

although you don't need the 6WC one tbf

so like 8 points

[tulip kettle]

the thing is

[rigid sky]

that's a lot

[tulip kettle]

warp charges are buffing your dmg on everything in a way other keystones arent

[rigid sky]

DD does too lol but yeah, unreliable

Warp charges are more for the very fast recharge on Shriek imo

[tulip kettle]

dd doesnt buff your dmg in the same way and far less reliably

[rigid sky]

Shriek is so so so powerful

if you have it, you wanna be constantly shrieking

[spice veldt]

it's +15% damage which comes close to the +16% if we're considering the same 3 point investment

and then there's the +weakspot and +crit damage which is particularly appealing for some weapons

[tulip kettle]

yup agree

[rigid sky]

EP is overrated but not actively bad

[tulip kettle]

apart from with how janky DD is and the access to an extra 8% base dmg on warp charges i think if you dont have a specific need for the weakspot and crit its worse

[rigid sky]

It can work for assail, and it's great for brain rupture

I don't even know about smite

[tulip kettle]

yeah BB feels very bad without EP

[rigid sky]

I hate smite

It CAN work without it, we used to get by without it back in the Old Times

but it feels awful once you've tried with

[tulip kettle]

i too hate smite

[lyric burrow]

Tbf old bb also one shot ragers

Cause less health

And warp charges

[tulip kettle]

it still can 1 shot ragers i think at high peril with EP

especially if they are in a group and getting burned by PC

this is nonsense btw

kill 33% more, get over 100% the reward

[spice veldt]

for a weapon like the duelling sword which has a 2.48x weakspot multiplier, the +damage and +weakspot damage confers 1.4x increased damage on weakspots, which is respectable
as long as you have some significant source of damage that you're weakspotting with, then it's just better

[tulip kettle]

*when it works

😄

im playing with it back on my gunker atm and multiple times per game it just wont mark a target when im looking right at a group of shooters or whatever

[cunning plinth]

btw, is the laspistol similar to the revolver as in "being good against carapace if you hit headshots" or are "only" Revolvers like that

[plucky flax]

If you crit its okay

Non crit headshot doesn't do much

[tulip kettle]

DD is fine.

yes its malice, it was the only dreyko on the board