psyker-class

[quartz barn]

But the chance to get a 4/4 is so low theres just no point

[flint aspen]

at the very least this bricked deimos is somewhat more usable than the old one I have

[quartz barn]

Doesnt help that the plasteel vs diamantine balance is horrible, and im basically forced to do qp damn over content that requires a brain for proper resource gain

[flint aspen]

genshin's gacha is probably more forgiving than darktide's gacha system

at least it doesn't involve real life money

[quartz barn]

Tbf cant really compare the two

Man my cultured genshin comment got blocked

[flint aspen]

even if it seemed hopeless, how can I at least salvage this so I don't feel sad over it

[wary lake]

What's the easiest Psyker build to setup for fresh 30's?

[urban sandal]

probably surge staff and illisi force sword

hard to fuck up a surge staff and illisi has a few different ways to build it

[vestal fulcrum]

Purgatus is probably relatively easy to build into when compared to other staves, but the efficient playstyle with the staff requires or strongly encourages good knowledge and practice of movement techniques

[rigid sky]

gun

[rigid sky]

or any staff that isn't trauma, trauma needs a very good roll

[flint aspen]

how can I salvage my recently fucked deimos or is it that hopeless to fix

[rigid sky]

but trauma's the most rewarding imo

[rigid sky]

show Hadron that one clip from 2001: a space oddisey where Dave reprograms Hal with a hammer, then start another one from scratch

[flint aspen]

fuuuck, and that was the closest of a decent stats for it

[rigid sky]

I mean, tbh, it's a Deimos

it's good out of the box

You can make it passable by slapping whatever perks or blessings you want onto it until you get a better one

but you need to keep looking for a better one after.

[flint aspen]

I'm definitely going to replace that godawful infestation damage perk

[rigid sky]

A Deimos with good stats and dogshit blessings and perks is still a good weapon

[flint aspen]

unless Fatshark adds a very elite infestation-type enemy into the game in the level of the Crushers

what's the reccommended perks and blessings for it

[rigid sky]

The Atheneum states that Executor is trash but Superiority is at least C tier

I'd take +Maniac

[tulip kettle]

you change block efficiency to maniac then superiority to uncanny strike

[rigid sky]

so you can at least still one-shot mutants

[tulip kettle]

and it will be perfectly servicable

[rigid sky]

you could keep block efficiency and take deflector to make a meme defender sword

[tulip kettle]

block efficiency still so bad tho

[rigid sky]

it's just not functional?

[flint aspen]

infestation tho is too overkill

like wow, I can one shot a poxwalker horde, wowzers

[tulip kettle]

youd be better with a + stamina

[rigid sky]

ick, fair enough

[tulip kettle]

dogs are also infested

[rigid sky]

dogs are also a prime target for Deimos

but idk how much you need the +infested to kill them

[tulip kettle]

you dont

but

[rigid sky]

everything infested is squishy

[flint aspen]

hey Hadron gave me infestation thinking I'm some dog hunter or something

[rigid sky]

and Deimos tends to kill anything it hits

[flint aspen]

guess she's also secretly a part of the Imperium's equivalent of the ATF

[tulip kettle]

if you change bloick to maniac and superiority to uncanny it will kill everything you need it to

with maybe 1 more hit required to kill a few enemies

its really, really fine.

[rigid sky]

It's a good stopgap at that point, yeah.

I'd still keep working on making a better one

[flint aspen]

on the bright side, its definitely more useful than the older Deimos I have

[rigid sky]

but until then this'll still work

[tulip kettle]

idk there was a reddit post yesterday that made me laugh

where some guy was crying about his hammer

and everyone was just like "bro if youre obsessing over 2% extra stats on the bars or not having perfect perks, you are the problem not the crafting system" and i feel that.

[rigid sky]

depends on the breakpoints to be fair

[tulip kettle]

indeedf

[rigid sky]

if that 2% stats means you don't kill a shitlord in one charged heavy

that's actually a really big deal

[tulip kettle]

and there are so few weapons where going from 76 to 80 damage makes any difference

[rigid sky]

but idk if that's actually what's happening

[tulip kettle]

so using that 365 with 77 damage instead of 80 makes NO fking difference

apart from requiring you to invest 10 times as many resources to aquire it

[flint aspen]

I might pair up my deimos with surge for now

[rigid sky]

probably makes no difference. Would need analysis or empirical testing. (Unless you're speaking from a place where you've seen or done the analysis)

[tulip kettle]

is the crafting system broken, or are players brains

[flint aspen]

or with the smite kit I have

[rigid sky]

I wouldn't pair Deimos with Surge

it's too much overlap

If you want a force sword with Surge, use Illisi imo.

[tulip kettle]

on crucis in particular there is no breakpoints that change from 65 dmg to 80

[rigid sky]

Deimos fits Purgatus and Trauma much better

also Voidstrike depending on how you use it

[flint aspen]

the one my Purgatus sits rn is the one with Brain Blast

[tulip kettle]

apart from having 78+ on all dmg stats lets you 1 shot monstrosities

[rigid sky]

Surge is a single-target killer that is strong against all the things Deimos is strong against and weak against all the things Deimos is weak against

[tulip kettle]

in theory

you could run deimos surge and assail

[rigid sky]

so in other words, having damage on 77 does render you unable to one-shot a shitlord

[tulip kettle]

and probably be fine

[stone canyon]

5 more trauma staffs on the Blazing Spirit lvl3 search list, probably 40+ by now

[rigid sky]

so it does have a quantitive difference which you feel in gameplay

[tulip kettle]

well if you had 76 dmg

and 80 first target and pen

you would still 1 shot it

[rigid sky]

ah, ok, it's a weighted average then

[tulip kettle]

and thats a pretty specific use case right

[rigid sky]

it's the usecase everybody fantasises about when they roll a hammer though

It's a big dopamine difference

[tulip kettle]

lol i know man im 6 mil into crucis rn 😄

but the point is its up to you if you want to obsess over this stuff

its not a problem with the crafting

[rigid sky]

I would say it is a problem with the crafting - it's just not a major problem.

[tulip kettle]

the problem with the crafting is, IMO, actually getting acces to the blessings you want

and sub to that, the crafting locks

which will obviously ve removed at some point in the games future

[rigid sky]

It's frustrating rather than crippling

[tulip kettle]

the rest of it is FINE

just dont obsess over a perfect 380 with lvl 4 blessings and +25 perfect perks

[rigid sky]

if we're gonna criticise it element-to-element I actually prefer the locks to the stat bars

I hate that the stat bars are totally outside of our control

[tulip kettle]

? what

[rigid sky]

I'd love to spend diamantine to redistribute stats

[tulip kettle]

they are just base dmg

and again, that is nonsense

spend dockets to get a distribution

at that point, dockets are LITERALLY worthless

idk i think, if youre a VT2 player which i guess you are

[rigid sky]

At this point, Diamantine is literally worthless.

[tulip kettle]

just see dockets as the grey crafting mats and buying stuff from brunt as crafting basics, no?

and its vasically the same, just with locks

[rigid sky]

Dockets at least still have the use of getting a higher stat total and mitigating diamantine costs

[rigid sky]

played much less VT than DT for me, I've not really messed with crafting in it much

[tulip kettle]

diamantine isnt worhtless, but the distribution of materials is skewed for surer

[spice veldt]

unless they rebalanc crafting costs, having something as a diamantine sink would be nice

[tulip kettle]

going from purple to gold should cost more diamantine and less plasteel

[rigid sky]

Depends on the difficulty you play I think. It's a more severe cost for newer players who don't play Damnation.

My girlfriend is constantly diamantine starved because she's only up to Heresy atm

[tulip kettle]

thats a weird though

because you literally always need much more plasteel

[rigid sky]

It's weird but it's what's happening

her plasteel is not exactly in abundance either

[tulip kettle]

im trying to work out how

[rigid sky]

but the point where she has to stop crafting always ends up being when the diamantine number turns red

not the plasteel

idk lol

[lethal lagoon]

My diamantine is basically the exact same since patch 13 whenever I'm at or around 0 plasteel

[rigid sky]

Yeah, looking at that she should actually be even more plasteel starved than me then

[lethal lagoon]

Pretty much net gain/loss

[rigid sky]

I don't understand what's going on in that case

maybe people are running past diamantine without picking it up for the memes

and that's hurting her diamantine collection rate

[lethal lagoon]

^ that tracks

[spice veldt]

if they're consecrating up to purple most of the time or refining/reblessing a lot, then that will also use a higher ratio of plasteel compared to diamantine

[tulip kettle]

that was what i just came up with ion the bathroom too

[spice veldt]

nno wait

[tulip kettle]

must be people just arent grabbing the diamantine

[spice veldt]

i need to look at my own tables again

[feral verge]

Lmao what is this??? 💀🤓

[spice veldt]

shtu up man make

[rigid sky]

I'm managing her inventory for her usually since she doesn't have any interest in the meta side of the game

she just likes to frag heretics

[feral verge]

This nerd has tables and graphs and math shit for everything lol

[rigid sky]

and lets me do the brainwork

idk I always pick up every crafting resource I see apart from the ones that are sitting under a daemonhost's ass

but I don't see all of them

[lethal lagoon]

I crouch walk to grab those

[lethal lagoon]

No clue if crouching helps

[rigid sky]

I have big issues with feelings of shame playing games like this

accidentally awakening a daemonhost wrecks my mood

if I feel like it's my fault

[spice veldt]

i think it's usually the same
the safe distance when unalerted is 7m or something along those lines

[rigid sky]

I feel like everybody is judging me lol

[tulip kettle]

idk man

i querued up with some pug players earlier today

after one accidently woke up DH

[lethal lagoon]

This is literally me trying to run smite-only for memes. It's physically painful to smite one poxwalker

[rigid sky]

It's only ever self-directed too, I try to be kind to other people pulling the DHs

[feral verge]

❌❌

[tulip kettle]

everyone just realised it was an accident and helped to kill it and keep them alive

[rigid sky]

but if it's me, it's like "FUCK YOU KRAGS YOU FUCKING MORON YOU DON'T DESERVE TO BE PLAYING THIS GAME"

[tulip kettle]

then, they did it again next game 😄

[rigid sky]

depression's a real karker

anxiety/depression

[spice veldt]

dh means teammates die which means i get kills for myself

[wet belfry]

Last daemonhost i triggered was through a solid wall.

[rigid sky]

I need kinder self talk

[tulip kettle]

SAME

[spice veldt]

ogryn taunt moment

[rigid sky]

but I also feel like talking about this stuff is a waste of therapy time lol

[tulip kettle]

on oubliette, the one thats inside the little jail cells place

before you go in the main building

[rigid sky]

it's like I'm getting torn up over a video game, feels pathetic to even admit that's happening

[tulip kettle]

it was inside, i was outside, i press shout on vet....

[rigid sky]

but I'm getting better with it now :)

[lethal lagoon]

I feel like that's exactly what therapy is for

[bitter escarp]

self compassion is a hell of a thing to cultivate

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/ho-anime-approach-gif-14775857

[bitter escarp]

hard friggin work for most people who grew up where that wasn't a thing

[rigid sky]

I've made a lot of progress in the last few months with it, and I've been in therapy on and off since 2015

[lethal lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/jjba-jojos-bizarre-adventure-kakyoin-noriaki-kakyoin-cherry-gif-25152758

[bitter escarp]

IME psychedelic therapies tend to be very effective for that, MDMA therapy in particular was clutch for self

[feral verge]

What kills arco

[bitter escarp]

self compassion

[rigid sky]

I would love to try that. I've just been using weed for it lol

[spice veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1080977033573703720/1202759958253277256/image.png?ex=65cea080&is=65bc2b80&hm=cc191e940bd0bebb25286c667e9f59f0db07f7605b1fb19417c3fd614d097067&

[feral verge]

Killing yourself doesn't count

[rigid sky]

it's helped me take things less seriously, and it's also helped me do like exposure therapy for panic attacks

[bitter escarp]

IME weed's the kinda thing for buffering day to day stressors if your nervous system is very high strung

[feral verge]

I was distracted by psyker chat and I was using obscurus

[spice veldt]

uh huh

[bitter escarp]

it does me no good outside of appetite and sleep

[tulip kettle]

also

[rigid sky]

All this stuff affects everybody differently

[tulip kettle]

drugs are not really a good topic of discussion lets be real

[rigid sky]

probably not, no

[bitter escarp]

prescriptions

point taken though

[rigid sky]

by weed, I of course mean faith in the immortal god-emperor of mankind

[tulip kettle]

MUCH BETTER

so

blessed is the mind too small to doubt

fucking EREBUS SAID THAT

[rigid sky]

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment

[tulip kettle]

and its on the loading screens

sounds like any other imperial catchphrase

nope, fuckin erebus

[rigid sky]

AFK a little bit, shower

[tulip kettle]

i read erebus' backstory novel the other day

why did they make him arabic? and why does everyone always paint him as a white guy?

[bitter escarp]

I mean

there's a long and proud tradition of that

[hard widget]

[tulip kettle]

yeah idk, like, generally in 40k people paint the named character models how they are described in the lore

or not like it at all and its basically a different person but using that model as a proxy sort of thing

you wouldnt see lion johnson with purple hair

or if you did, which would be fine, the person wouldnt be saying it was lion, but another cvharacter they made up

[bitter escarp]

I assume the art long predates the novel

It's common (if obnoxious) to assume all these characters are white guys until a point is made about how they aren't

[tulip kettle]

fair point

[elfin grail]

anyone got a good build to compliment trauama staff?

[urban sandal]

you can go either rending trauma or blaze trauma with a deimos force sword or mk4 dueling sword

[rigid sky]

What flavour Trauma?

[urban sandal]

brainburst for ranged enemies unless you have good aim for the primary fire n don't need it

[rigid sky]

Spicy or spam?

[elfin grail]

sorry, psuker is my omega alt

I want to do the aoe circle staff

[rigid sky]

Yes, but do you want the soulblaze variant or the brittleness variant?

In either case pair it with a Duelling Sword IV or a Deimos Blaze Force Sword

And take either of the killer Blitzes (Brain Rupture or Assail), and then all the usual good Psyker stuff

I used to use the Brittleness one but since I got a Blazing Spirit/Warp Nexus staff I can't go back

The wider damage distribution from it is really nice, regular Trauma does so little damage outside of the centre

[elfin grail]

is this workable?

I am so lost on psyker lmao

[rigid sky]

And I feel like Brittleness isn't so necessary when the Trauma is already wrecking Carapace by itself

[urban sandal]

ideally you want a mark 4 dueling sword

[elfin grail]

ah shi

ok

[hollow current]

I like the MK 4. At least you found uncanny 4

[rigid sky]

Most people use the Mark IV because it has really good heavy attacks

[urban sandal]

yeah you can take uncanny off of that

[rigid sky]

Mark IV is a mutant/elite killer

Just poke the head

[hollow current]

uncanny + riposte/precog/rampage depending on preference.

[rigid sky]

If that said Mark IV instead of Mark II it would be perfect

Idk how Mark II works though

[spice veldt]

here are the numbers on why the mk4 is better

[elfin grail]

what do I dump on the trauma staff?

[rigid sky]

Well maybe the Carapace damage is unnecessary idk

[spice veldt]

the mk4 does ~40% more damage on ehavies

[rigid sky]

Quell Speed and Warp Resistance I think

[urban sandal]

warp res

[hollow current]

I have no evidence to back this up but I feel the MK 4 also lets you zoom around better too.

[spice veldt]

maybe the heavies

but the mk5 has the best dodge stats of them

[rigid sky]

Damage, Blast Radius and Charge rate are all very important

[hollow current]

mk 5 was once my beloved before deimos was a thing.

[urban sandal]

just me or is the director loving snipers and dreg ragers lately

[vestal fulcrum]

Director can basically spawn up to 8 snipers IIRC, if it is allowed to

At least on STG

[rigid sky]

You mean brain rupture and trauma fodder :)

[urban sandal]

i do be using both so yup

[spice veldt]

5 snipers iirc, from mutator_waves_of_specials here

oh nice hyperlinking works here

[urban sandal]

but i clutched an auric maelstrom yesterday and killed at least a dozen snipers throughout it

and most auric maelstroms ive done lately spam them

[rigid sky]

Shield + rapid fire brain burst feels amazing for anti-sniper and gunner work

[urban sandal]

without having waves of snipers

in the conditions

[elfin grail]

thanks for replies btw deep in bullshit now XD

[vestal fulcrum]

I suppose I have outdated or inaccurate info then

Glad to be corrected

[spice veldt]

i only know cuz commissartyr bestowed his wisdom some time ago

[urban sandal]

this is nice to refer to

[hearty dagger]

Hello psyker chat, my ISP has finally fixed my outage.

[spice veldt]

hell yeah

[rigid sky]

I've seen congalines of 6 poxbursters though

I guess the last two must have spawned after the first two popped

[spice veldt]

possibly

they could also be using a different list of values than last time

[urban sandal]

yeah was gonna say i feel like i’ve seen more than 4 bursters at once

[rigid sky]

They do tweak it a lot I think

Like right now is shotgunpocalypse

Or a few days ago maybe

[feral verge]

@spice veldt I have a partner today

Which gives me time

[spice veldt]

you bitch

[feral verge]

To give you all the ratings you deserve

[spice veldt]

another person who will learn how vile, digusting, horrible, malicious, evil-bearing, peepee poopoo of a person you are

[feral verge]

They like me because I am a good trainer

[spice veldt]

training people into worst versions of themselves

to do your evil bidding

[vocal cliff]

Trapper horde modifier when

[hearty oak]

More like, endless wave modifier when

[feral verge]

I want an oops all bulwarks mode

[spice veldt]

you fucking monster

[feral verge]

With nurgle blessing

[spice veldt]

war criminal

[rigid sky]

How about

Crushers with Bucklers

Crusher moveset, Crusher Armour, Bulwark shield

[spiral minnow]

and now 5 games more...

[rigid sky]

Also they explode like poxbursters when you kill them and throw bombs and have sniper rifles

And move like mutants

HIRE ME NURGLE

I MEAN FATSHARK

[mental rock]

Give me waves of shotgunners

[blissful pulsar]

Oops all ranged enemies

Poxwalker hordes replaced with dreg shooters

[untold niche]

good sir you have for crusher and rager?
and this is per blob or [any one point in game] ?

[dawn spoke]

am I just imagining it or do quickplay players really suck against gunners most of the time

[mental rock]

What difficulty you play?

[dawn spoke]

non-auric damnation mostly

[feral verge]

Most quick players don't do too well

[plucky flax]

Sedition.

[feral verge]

But you usually find the highest quality people in auric

Key word usually

[dawn spoke]

well ofc but like I notice people struggling against gunners in particular

[feral verge]

You still will encounter shitters

[mental rock]

[dawn spoke]

I'm mostly thinking of a game yesterday where all 3 other players in my team charged into literally like 10 gunners and 4 reapers

[feral verge]

The only gunner type that causes legitimate struggle in anyone are reapers ATM

[spice veldt]

i dont have any information about those 😔

[feral verge]

Their wind tunnel pushback effect is way overturned

[dawn spoke]

and seemed surprised when a psyker bubble didn't save them

[spice veldt]

shut up mankar

[feral verge]

?

You okay arco?

[spice veldt]

yes

manky

[feral verge]

You don't deserve to be

[mental rock]

Y'all need to just fuck already

[feral verge]

Arco is already fucked. In the head

[mental rock]

Like an old married couple

[spice veldt]

noo

mankar deserves death

no love

[feral verge]

Reminder: he died at the start of relay station in the elevator at the start of the mission

He blew up

Arguably worst darktide player

[dawn spoke]

what happened to the other guy

[mental rock]

Ah yes, you even have pics together, so cute

[spice veldt]

we were assassinated

[feral verge]

Exhillious voluntarily killed himself to support the game

[spice veldt]

i hope your emoji posting perms are gone, luma

[feral verge]

Josho and I wanted to do a true duo Mission

[spice veldt]

that's what the narrative says

but they killed us

[feral verge]

So exhillious heroically sacrificed himself to give us the duo experience

But arco didn't sacrifice anything. He blew up because he was and is just bad at the game

But it happened to benefit josho and I

Cuz we wanted to duo the maelstrom mission

[spice veldt]

uh huh

[feral verge]

Scoreboard from mission

Arco did no damage cuz bad at game

Exhillious did no damage because of his heroic sacrifice, and was doing a pacifist challenge run

[spice veldt]

that's a good point

this was a pacifist run for me

auric maelstrom pacifist

[feral verge]

X

[rigid sky]

The old war correspondent build, huh

[long wharf]

the old "I just arrived from the year 1985 and have no idea what's going on and I don't belong here" build

also known as the "I need an adult" build

[icy gulch]

Did you ever figure this out?

[untold niche]

wait for both questions?
So sad.

[untold niche]

arco blew up???

arco i think this alone drops you to below top 10

i don't even have 10 to fill up my top 10

[spice veldt]

i cri

[next zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/kissing-jake-gyllenhaal-jack-twist-heath-ledger-ennis-del-mar-gif-17133697

[magic hull]

I'm enjoying this build so far for surge x illisi

[proven crest]

no soulstealer?

in this economy

[magic hull]

i pick the other route for battle meditation

but soulstealer can work too yeah

[rigid sky]

The lowest stat node you have on the right though?

Under the hand thingy

[magic hull]

theres alot of hands lol

[rigid sky]

Lowest one

[fading wedge]

Under Kinetic Deflection?

[rigid sky]

Not at home so not sure lol

[opaque charm]

Imo DD is better for Assail

[rigid sky]

Writing on my phone in supermarket rn

[feral verge]

Arco not good at game

[opaque charm]

Also if you take Assail you should get True Shot, you will crit way more

[magic hull]

you mean true aim?

yeah i can try that route

[opaque charm]

https://youtu.be/_q7UiJh85CU?si=OvVMUeIhsCd1P4Ai

[radiant frigate]

does assail only stack it, or benefit from it?

[opaque charm]

You can switch fanning revolver with lightning staff if you really want to

[spice veldt]

both

assail can crit

[opaque charm]

Does both and Assail can get you up to 3 stacks per shard

So ya it makes you crit a lot

[radiant frigate]

Perhaps

[magic hull]

tweaked it.

lets see how well it fares in maelstrom

[opaque charm]

15 stacks of DD and your right click Assail will 1 shot a dreg Shotgunner (non crit weakspot hit) it's crazy

[magic hull]

talking about crazy im loving my surge stick rn

it does suprisingly well

i thought its gonna be shit lol

[unkempt escarp]

Any advice on how to get Warp Battery now that you need to kill elites to maintain it?

[austere crest]

surge staff = fun staff

[rigid sky]

Travel through the warp and go back in time a few months

[austere crest]

Run a soulblaze build with the node to get warp off soulblaze kills is probably easiest.

[unkempt escarp]

Yeah, thought so as well. Thanks 🙂

[austere crest]

The one thats is a smaller perctent off all kills is nice too, but i think SB and just prioritizing elites in general wouldn't be too bad, esp since its challenge comes from not using your ult , so just focus on maintaining the 4/6th stack

[unkempt escarp]

Killing someone with soulblaze give the chance

[magic hull]

FS is also extremely useful now. The force push makes it easier when you have a horde of poxwalker rushing you,

[rigid sky]

It's actually better than that iirc, they just have to die while burning from soulblaze

[unkempt escarp]

Oh really? So just full blaze on everyone?

And never using a shield.

[austere crest]

When you use your Ultimate with warp whether shield/shriek/scriers is going to clear all current warp charges

[rigid sky]

Would be nice if they swapped the first and third nodes of warp charge over

[unkempt escarp]

Yeah, so not doing that.

[austere crest]

^^

[rigid sky]

Make the +damage part basic

[austere crest]

agreed, its so far down

[rigid sky]

And the sacrifice for CDR advanced

[austere crest]

they spread the basic warp function too far away from eachother

I used to love blazing spirit force sword, its off meta, would recommend if you have an extra one one to play with https://youtu.be/OEUsZJZdY2c

but the extra SB coming off it could only help keep it up

[unkempt escarp]

Tried to tag everything and ran straight into a demon host.

[austere crest]

hawt

Send her to rest, her poor soul

[tulip kettle]

imagine your dudes ACTUALLY being near a lore accurate chaos bound deamonhost

all instantly dead 😄

[untold niche]

[untold niche]

whats fs :o

oh force sword

doesn't it always have force push

[unkempt escarp]

Warp Battery done, nice.

[eager mantle]

Used to always go for the peril gen node for the warp charges. Playing my purgatus loadout, the toughness is actually nice

[tulip umbra]

...I hate this warp battery penance so much

[eager mantle]

I got it just playing normally

[tulip umbra]

This is me

not too long ago

I just got it last game

by just playing

[rigid sky]

Peril gen was really nice in the pre-tree world imo

These days idk when I would take that one, maybe for trauma

Since Trauma is a very strong peril generator which benefits from warp flurry a lot (brittleness variant)

I blow myself up with Trauma more than anything else but that might be from trying to edge nexus to trigger more soulblazes

[eager mantle]

I'd say

[rigid sky]

Now that's a staff that gets you referred to Prevent.

[eager mantle]

Brunt has quite the collection

Sell staffs like these to new psykers. You know...as a joke

[magic hull]

urgent, how should i build this

[haughty star]

That's tough man

I'd get slaughterer on it if possible

[rigid sky]

Bloodthirsty-> Slaughterer

[hollow current]

seems alright tho i dont use the illi. change up sprint eff to flak or whatever and blood thirsty to uncanny or slaught

[rigid sky]

Sprint -> idk Flak?

[magic hull]

what about uncanny strike

[proven crest]

bloodthirsty isn't too bad

considering you'll be spamming special and psyker synergy with crits

[rigid sky]

You really want Slaughterer on an Illisi I think, you do one Force Cleave and that makes your follow-up attacks strong enough to kill stuff without needing to activate again

[proven crest]

but this is like, damage control reasoning

[rigid sky]

Bloodthirsty for if you like to be spookier

Slaughterer for throughput I think

I Might Be Wrong

[proven crest]

if you want uncanny, i'd go bloothirsty to uncanny, and then sprint to something else

[rigid sky]

Petition to change the name of the Heavy Attack with Special active on the Illisi to being "The Spooky Slice"

[proven crest]

or bloodthirsty to uncanny, unstable to slaughterer

you want to spam special on illisi basically anytime you can, so unstable power should have basically 100% uptime

[rigid sky]

Is this true? Last time I was using it a lot was before the Slaughterer nerf tbf

[proven crest]

it's just a slightly worse buff than slaughterer most of the time

well, it's twice as bad

is it true that you wanna spam special heavy? yes

[magic hull]

welp anyways this is my second illisi, maybe ill farm slaughterer

[proven crest]

executor kinda stinky imo, but illisi is probably its best use case

cause of how clean the horizontals are

[feral verge]

Executor is best on deimos

Not stinky at all

Executor procs on special attack tics, like uncanny strike

[rigid sky]

Atheneum rates it garbage lol

[proven crest]

you should like, never be special attacking on deimos

[feral verge]

You can instantly get 4 stacks

[rigid sky]

I start to wonder how accurate these guides are

[feral verge]

You do it sparingly

[rigid sky]

It's OK for Crushers I think

[feral verge]

Not never

[proven crest]

30% power that drops if you miss once

[rigid sky]

Or for when you are feeling extra spooky

[mental rock]

I'd prefer uncanny, slaught, or unstable over executor

[proven crest]

vs 40% power with near 100% uptime

hmmm

[feral verge]

Pygex has mostly good takes. He isn't always right though

[hollow current]

It's good opener for when things aren't crazy. sticking a powered deimos in carpace face.

[proven crest]

against crushers you just l1h2 and put them on their ass

and then kill them as they struggle to get up

[rigid sky]

Does it natively penetrate well, then?

[proven crest]

deimos h2 is just kinda broken

you can get uncanny on it

[rigid sky]

Tbh I instinctively always use the special

[proven crest]

but it also just does wacky damage regardless

[feral verge]

I've spent many hours with deimos

Executor+ uncanny is def the best way to go

Slaughterer is neat, but shines on horde clear weapons, which deimos isnt made/used for

Uncanny is non negotiable

[proven crest]

well i defer to your greater expertise, maybe i'll give executor a whirl and see how it goes

[feral verge]

Unstable power can be a pain to keep up on deimis

Deimos

[rigid sky]

I agree that Slaughterer is trash on it

[feral verge]

On illisi unstable power is great

[rigid sky]

Tbh I still highly rate Deflector

[proven crest]

yea, can't spam specials like with illisi

you just give up a lot for deflector

[feral verge]

You can, it's just harder

Because you have to qq swap

[proven crest]

ah, good tech to know

[feral verge]

Special power up, swap to ranged quickly, swap back, power up, rinse and repeat

Executor also constantly procs in hordes

[proven crest]

i'm always chomping at the bit to find new things to qq cancel

[feral verge]

You will almost always be around 2-5 stacks in a horde

Just lmb spamming

[burnt maple]

Has there been any indication we're getting a new staff?

[proven crest]

do you light spam, or go for l1h2 rotations in horde?

[rigid sky]

I haven't seen anything but then again we've seen a datamined 2H force sword for ages, before the Deimos and Illisi were introduced even, and it's not happened

[burnt maple]

Aw well. Fingers crossed, soon

Been playing with blaze trauma, and it's been fun switching it from brittleness trauma

[feral verge]

Light spam

[rigid sky]

It is an addiction, and one I have no intention of recovering from.

[burnt maple]

It's so good lol

And surprisingly good at spreading sb

[rigid sky]

The SB is there to extend the danger radius of it. Normal Trauma has the issue of killing stuff really well in the middle but just throwing the edges around without much damage.

3 stacks of soulblaze is actually quite weak, buuuuuut it's enough added onto the Trauma edge damage to do some real work

(AND MAYBE MAKE WILDFIRE VIABLE /heretical-ramblings)

[marble crater]

What exactly is wrong with wildfire? I can see why it wouldn't be doing much on purgatus, but it sounds good for trauma

[rigid sky]

It's just very anemic.

You can't rely on it to actually kill anything

I feel like it can push things down into needing one fewer Trauma blasts to kill though

[marble crater]

Is it not 4 stacks on everything around the target that dies?

[rigid sky]

But I'm going by feeling, not empirical testing

No, it's 4 stacks distributed among them

Perilous Combustion is 3 stacks on everything near an elite or special you kill

[marble crater]

Well that's disappointing

[rigid sky]

Wildfire is up to 4 spread amongst them, but can't apply stacks beyond a 4th

It's difficult to evaluate, and easy to dismiss

I wouldn't take it on Purgatus because it's redundant

But Trauma, it feels a bit better wirh

With

Other people here would advocate the other way around and I don't understand their point really, I've had the discussion before

More people would advocate just never taking it, and I agree with them a little more

But it FEELS useful for Blaze Trauma for me, and only for Blaze Trauma. And it's very much the 30th talent point.

[marble crater]

It's a potential 4th stack on something new you just hit with the trauma, yes. If it can't stack higher than 4 it doesn't do anything on purgatus, which stacks higher

Now I might have to change my trauma build

[rigid sky]

It's also a potential 1 stack on stuff that your Trauma doesn't quite reach

Because it also happens at the end of a death animation

I'm thinking about the high-tide situation where a horde just keeps coming

The front of it gets blown up, and then the next wave takes a few stacks from it to expedite their own deaths

[burnt maple]

Trauma also has the added benefit of being able to CC crushers and maulers

[rigid sky]

oi, put that club/chainaxe back down, you might hurt someone

[burnt maple]

It's really satisfying seeing a crusher reel up an overhead and dropping them before the swing

[marble crater]

That it is

[rigid sky]

Trauma is the Power Sword of ranged attacks.

It does everything.

Well, except for long range

OK it's just really good and versatile then.

[burnt maple]

The lmb does okay at picking off snipers at least

It's kind of underwhelming, though lol

[eager token]

trauma pains me because aiming up stairs and ledges is awkward and clunky sometimes

so it goes

still fun tho

[burnt maple]

You know, I was just thinking that. I wish the targeting circle was different or easier to see when you're below and targeting above

[rigid sky]

I run Brain Rupture with it just for that. And Dome to give me the space to BR.

If I try to use Assail for that I always end up low on darts for when I need to use them on a priority target

[burnt maple]

Same, I prefer BR

Shards is good, too. I don't really mess with Smite but it's really good, as well

[rigid sky]

Some people here are so extreme about the blitzes

somebody earlier was trying to convince me that BR was 100% trash

They're all good, they're just playstyle dependent

Had insinuations that the only reason why I think BR is good is because of difficulty level issues when I'm bringing it on Auric Maelstrom with regularity

[marble crater]

While we are talking about it, which do you guys think is better?

[rigid sky]

I kinda feel the Flak+ one but idk

[burnt maple]

I would go with flak

Scab units typically pose a bigger threat than dreg

Actually, where does the trauma attack hit?

[marble crater]

Even if the radius is a bit smaller?

[rigid sky]

Body iirc

Or head sometimes but rarely

[marble crater]

Should be body, yes

[burnt maple]

You're not going to notice 4% radius difference

[rigid sky]

I don't think +specials is good on Trauma mostly

While +Flak is great

[burnt maple]

Maulers are flak body

[rigid sky]

Trauma tends to kill Elites better than Specials

From my perspective

[marble crater]

If only we could combine two weapons into one and pick a stat/perk/blessing of each

Problem solved right there

[burnt maple]

+specials/+elites/+Pox and groaners are all pretty low value

[marble crater]

Yeah, it was either keep specials or stamina

[burnt maple]

Honestly the stamina is probably more useful lol

It doesn't matter, they both suck lol

[rigid sky]

I like Stamina for melee weapon only though

you don't need it when you have your ranged out

Stamina on a psyker is for stretching out your Kinetic Deflection or whatever it's called

the block-increases-peril god tier talent

[marble crater]

Oh well, the one with flak is still better than the one I had before, 2% less radius but 20% more damage and 10% more quell speed, so I will use that one and keep hunting for a perfect one as brunt sells them. Thanks you two

With a +3 stam curio you can block forever with that talent

[burnt maple]

Kinetic Deflection is really good, quelling peril is faster than regenning stamina

[rigid sky]

Great synergy with Deflector on a force sword too. Psyker active defense is nuts.

almost makes up for our passive defense being like wet tissue

[marble crater]

What passive defense? One poxwalker sneaks up while you don't have 100% toughness and you are at half HP

[burnt maple]

I've been messing around with different melee weapons and I always come back to my deflector/slaughter Illissi

The bleed blessing knives and dueling swords are really good

[rigid sky]

I only use Illisi for certain ranged weapons. It's great for Surge and for guns.

[burnt maple]

Haven't really found a way to comfortably use the Obscurus, but there has to be a build for it that good

[rigid sky]

It's just redundant for Purgatus, Trauma and possibly Void though

idk about Void

haven't used it in ages

Purgatus and Trauma LOVE the Deimos though

(or DS4)

[burnt maple]

I like the high versatility with the Illissi, the deimos is good but I really like the horizontal sweep heavies for their speed of use.

[rigid sky]

I don't ever fight the horde with Deimos

I just shove them on their ass and pull out my staff

[burnt maple]

Deimos is only okay for Horde clear

[rigid sky]

or cut down a few stragglers

it's not a horde weapon

it's just not what it's there for

it's for when your ranged is doing your horde clear for you

[burnt maple]

It's not, you're right

But it does just okay, is what I mean

You definitely need to do more dancing if you use it on horde

[rigid sky]

Psyker's gotta dance either way

it's that active defense thing

[burnt maple]

For sure

Bleed knives are really good if you get into a match with knife zealots that want to Any% the map

[verbal dome]

is surge staff supposed to deal 0 dmg to monstrosities?

[burnt maple]

It shouldn't?

Do you have the hp display mod and a 0 popped up?

[verbal dome]

like, i was zapping a chaos spawn over and over at 1/5th health and the health bar was basically not moving

[verbal dome]

no

i don't mean literally 0, just close enough that it may as well be

felt like i was hitting it with smite

[misty cypress]

psyker staff vs monstronsity = dogshit damage

[burnt maple]

Oh then yes it kind of sucks vs monstrosity

[rigid sky]

Purgatus says hi

[misty cypress]

purgatus also reletively dogshit, but better than the others for boss damage

better off using bb or melee

[rigid sky]

Stack it to 14, spam some brain ruptures, refresh it after a little while

[rigid sky]

¿Porque no los dos?

[burnt maple]

The Voidstrike and Trauma (brittleness) does a bit better but not really. If you have Brain Burst, that does a good chunk

[misty cypress]

true

[rigid sky]

Ideally 6 of those stacks will be from a Venting Shriek for expedience

But uh

Idk how to count stacks anyway

[misty cypress]

if I don't have good boss damage, I just do psyker shit and slaughter the other entities while my team takes care of it

[rigid sky]

I just go like "yeah that's probably 14"

[burnt maple]

Yeah, cleaning up the arena is just as helpful as killing the boss

[verbal dome]

in this instance my team dieded while the chaos spawn was bullying me

[rigid sky]

Good thing about Purgatus is that it barbeques the boss while it torches the adds

[burnt maple]

The last thing anyone wants to deal with when fighting a boss is a specialist on top of it

[rigid sky]

Depending on the angle.

[verbal dome]

too bad all the specialists were muties

[burnt maple]

F

Lol

Wack them with your melee

[verbal dome]

bout all i could do, but there's only so much a mk v blaze can do lol

[burnt maple]

Sounds like we need a Melta-staff

[austere crest]

FML

[dawn spoke]

staff of brick

[verbal dome]

increase dmg to the bonk attack

[austere crest]

how long must this go

[austere crest]

agreed, its a good way to get a crit when returning to fire tho. I wish there was a melee staff. Double ended bonker with an electric charge = heat. There was something similar in Gears 5 that was super fun, single sided.

[verbal dome]

would you trade the lil puffs of fire the purgatus does for the regular bolts that every other staff does?

on the uncharged attacks

[hollow current]

time to see how hadron bricks this

[lethal lagoon]

It's hammer time.

[verbal dome]

perhaps the staff melee attacks could have unique abilities for each staff

[hollow current]

ooof, almost good.

[verbal dome]

purgatus melee could give a few stacks of soulblaze to your target and maybe even surpress them

voidstrike melee could have a bigger impact that could maybe floor even crushers

trauma melee could have an aoe that staggers in an area around your target

surge melee... zap em a bit?

could be the "damaging" one then

[burnt maple]

The staves all have a melee alt animations that could easily be turned into a spear.

[hollow current]

special heavy attacks. purge drops max soul blaze stacks on target. trauma a blast that can stagger bosses, surge a high peril per second/dps. void strike instantly hard crashes your computer.

[tulip kettle]

I want to give surge staff another chance

i just made this

what tree should i use to make me change my mind about surge being unfun and bad

im thinking maybe BB, shriek and warp charges, with an illisi

[lethal lagoon]

Here's probably the most basic surge build.

[tulip kettle]

heh, thats what i ran before

but i do not understand taking smite with surge staff

[lethal lagoon]

Logically speaking, you are spamming surge from start to finish.

Smite is there in case shit goes down.

[tulip kettle]

you have no way to deal with snipers or gunners with surge

was my experience

[lethal lagoon]

LMB shreds em?

Also, for gunners, I just face tank em with surge

And a mixture of flaming shriek

The staff's cast spd is so fast, you can alternate the gunners you hit for stuns and shit.

[haughty star]

Yeah I have 0 problems lmb spamming sniper with surge

Pretty sure it's like one if not two lmb hits

[tulip kettle]

its fine when they are somewhere up high but when its hectic its hard, for me at least

[lethal lagoon]

It's probably why I struggle to like Voidstrike, I'm so used to playing aggressive out of my mind with surge.

[upper sun]

YOU CANT ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT.....

[lethal lagoon]

Voidstrike just feels slow, and yeah the damage is great, but so slow...

[tulip kettle]

unlike assail / BB which i can manage to use when its crazy

[haughty star]

Yeah surge you gotta frag like hell lmfao

[burnt maple]

I still prefer Dome over Vent

But vent is very good for more aggressive play

[lethal lagoon]

Tough to beat just throwing a random yell and wiping out a whole horde that just spawned for me.

Ultimate wizard power fantasy

[burnt maple]

It's definitely satisfying

[tulip kettle]

i cant really get behind dome these days honestly

walls is slightly better for special bouncing purposes

i like the bubble for the anti BoN interaction

[burnt maple]

It depends on the team set up. If another psyker has the bubble/vent already or there's an ogryn in the group, you don't really need worry about horde as much

[tulip kettle]

but i feel like, if theres not much stuff shooting at you, you dont need the bubble

and if there is the bubble just breaks

and also you get surpressed inside it anyway

[lethal lagoon]

I only like bubble on Voidstrike cause it let's me play more aggressive than I could otherwise. But Surge already let's me do that just by virtue of being so fast and stunning.

[burnt maple]

But vent murdering an entire horde + specials is super satisfying

[haughty star]

Yeah I can't bring myself to like bubble

I don't mind when other people have it I'd just rather have other things lol

[lethal lagoon]

I think i've run like 5 total games with bubble

[haughty star]

I feel like if bubble were a blitz it would be better

[tulip kettle]

by better you mean broken, right?

[burnt maple]

Bubble is really good for getting your team to play more aggressive, which I feel is better net gain. They're both great options.

[lethal lagoon]

Remember when there was infinite bubbles?

[austere crest]

absolutely, no ranged on purgatus makes it more niche

[plucky flax]

2 psykers in my team both using guns.

[burnt maple]

Do they both have the same aura, too? Lol

[lethal lagoon]

[haughty star]

Eh would come at the cost of not having assail or smite which are incredibly powerful

[plucky flax]

1 crit chance 1 cdr aura actually.

[tulip kettle]

right, but all blitzes are offensive abilities

[plucky flax]

Recon and fanning revolver. Xd

[lethal lagoon]

BB is offensive, yeah.

[upper sun]

do auras not stack if more than one teammate has the same one?

[tulip kettle]

hah

[burnt maple]

They do not stack

[tulip kettle]

no

[upper sun]

WHAT how is it my fault if two people happen to have the same build

[lethal lagoon]

4 psykers running CDR

[verbal dome]

god emprah the puragtus primary attack is hot steaming nurgle tier GARBAGE

[lethal lagoon]

I wish lmao

[haughty star]

Smite is borderline defensive

[tulip kettle]

true, but it does do dmg and cc

[hollow current]

stagger button

[lethal lagoon]

[upper sun]

i mean yeah that would be funny

[plucky flax]

Allow me to introduce lmb purga auric maelstrom vid.

[haughty star]

Smoke in vets case for the defensive

[verbal dome]

[tulip kettle]

yeah im here like, what? it is in no way garbage

[mighty fractal]

Purgatus LMB is decent for staggering small groups of enemies and elites that aren't Crushers

[tulip kettle]

very fun

[mighty fractal]

it's good utility

[verbal dome]

so it's just for stagger?

[lethal lagoon]

I like using smite to push my team forward, dodge slide forward while using it, and the whole team moves and mows with you.

[mighty fractal]

you can also quell-cancel the recovery animation to attack much faster than if you just spammed LMB normally

[tulip kettle]

i think smite is just dumb honestly

[burnt maple]

If you're playing quick play, it can't be helped if you get tossed into a match that's already going and there's a duplicate. But it does extend the effective coherency range if the team is a bit spread out

[tulip kettle]

i like it being in the game

[lethal lagoon]

It makes no sense to be in this game

[upper sun]

"oh those enemies are stunned im sure the psyker will do fine"

[lethal lagoon]

It needs a rework absolutely.

[tulip kettle]

but at the same time it trivialises things

[plucky flax]

Wasn't my finest hour but I wanted to meme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx7DY17ZUtU

[spice veldt]

i dislike stuns that make enemies do nothing

i already don't like zealot nade/trauma/chorus

[upper sun]

i dislike stuns that make my allies do nothing

[lethal lagoon]

That's why you run EP and flaming shriek

[burnt maple]

Empowered Blitzs Smite should slow down the peril gen, not increase the damage

[tulip kettle]

quell cancel intensifies

[verbal dome]

...fkin quell cancelling

[lethal lagoon]

Also smite should absolutely blow you up

It's dumb

[tulip kettle]

also you got your knife out and heavy stabbed like 1 minute in

challenge failed

[spice veldt]

i'm fine with smite having that leniency mechanic

smite itself should just be more interesting by default

[plucky flax]

Well I didn't rmb purga.

That was the challenge.

[spice veldt]

instead of "hold button to make you and enemies do nothing, with peril and boredom being your only limit"

[plucky flax]

But anyway don't do it you do way less damage than rmb.

[burnt maple]

There should be a talent that if you over-peril, the team zealot should explode

[tulip kettle]

shocking

[lethal lagoon]

My brain forcing me to spam dodge slide towards the enemies while smiting cause I have nothing else to do

[tulip kettle]

who'da thunk

[spice veldt]

i reaaaaally want them to make it a melee blitz

[lethal lagoon]

Like lightning hands?

[spice veldt]

and make the RMB stun more interesting

[lethal lagoon]

Fuck yes

[plucky flax]

[spice veldt]

lightning punch

and a shorter and more interesting stun on the RMb

[austere crest]

that would be dope

[tulip kettle]

i want them to just turn it into a high dmg lighning beam

that charges up and cleaves on rmb

[spice veldt]

something that doesn't necessarily have to be a main melee weapon but something that you can mix in

[tulip kettle]

more tabletop / lore like

[austere crest]

maybe warpinfuseses a sideways staff swing

[burnt maple]

An Area Denial ability would be cool

Kind of like the zealot grenade but lightning

[lethal lagoon]

Staff special should be a "You Shall not Pass", Change my mind.

[austere crest]

T6 difficulty would be dope too, like elite resistance but thick. Wait, where tf is elite resistance lol

[tulip kettle]

its called infested

[spice veldt]

they prob realized that no one liked it

[tulip kettle]

like nurgles blessing modifier

[spice veldt]

because less enemies and higher hp just isn't interesting

[austere crest]

agreed

[burnt maple]

Oh yeah it's been awhile since I've seen elite resistance

[austere crest]

i like the difficulty but would like it to be thick with enemies

[burnt maple]

Did they take it out this patch?

[tulip kettle]

t5 nurgles blessing

[spice veldt]

they took it a while ago

[lethal lagoon]

So just t6

[austere crest]

I think they took it out when they introduced maelstrom

[spice veldt]

it was only active for like a short window of time

[burnt maple]

It was fun brain bursting a crusher 8 times

[tulip kettle]

is the same thing, right?

[austere crest]

yeh

[spice veldt]

5000 hp crushers be like

iirc, elite res was +100% elite hp and +50% special hp

and some buff to normal enemies

[wicked forum]

https://tenor.com/view/pondering-pondering-my-orb-my-orb-orb-pondering-my-pondering-my-orb-orb-gif-24060364

[austere crest]

i remember it would be dead ass empty, and then suddlenly 7 reapers blocking a bridge

[lethal lagoon]

I'd love an all boss maelstrom, but I feel like only boss dumpers would queue for it and it'd be boring.

[tulip kettle]

isnt a crusher with nurgles blessing like 4500 hp?

[austere crest]

nurgles blessing drives me crazy tbh its not the damage so much as the no stagger

[tulip kettle]

yeah i notice the stagger resistance more

stuff isnt unstaggerable though which i see people say

i definitely see glowing green shit stagger

[spice veldt]

yeah they just have an additive -100% impact

and some things like vet's VoC ignores it

[tulip kettle]

what exactly is the hp modifier?

ive never paid attention honestly

i assumed its like 20-25%

[lethal lagoon]

Anything that staggers a boss probably ignores nurgle?

[hollow current]

I think they have the same hp but damage resistance.

[austere crest]

idk its not super noticeable

[tulip kettle]

im pretty sure they have more hp but maybe not

[hollow current]

I mean it effectively feels like more hp but unless the hp bar mod is falt wrong on them, the raw numbers are the same. They just seem to take less damage.

[austere crest]

i dont notice damage so much as the stagger with them

[tulip kettle]

yeah maybe its that skullcrusher and such do less

[spice veldt]

if im reading the correct stuff then it seems to be -35% damage taken

[tulip kettle]

ahh thats interesting

they shoot and move faster too

[spice veldt]

and have 10x more hitmass

[tulip kettle]

yup

[lethal lagoon]

Is a trapper's net a ranged attack?

Probably right

[tulip kettle]

and -1 impact like you said

so they have effectively 35% more hp

[eager token]

make venting shriek destroy enemy projectiles

💯

[tulip kettle]

so a crusher has an EHP of 4800

with blessing

[lethal lagoon]

Make venting shriek blow out fires

[eager token]

holy

yes

[lethal lagoon]

That would actually be a nice effect to the useless base damage talent.

[hollow current]

make it venting shriek shove your allies 10 meters ahead.

[lethal lagoon]

Give it "weight"

[eager token]

extinguish fires + destroy projectiles..

huge..

[austere crest]

that would be hot

well

i guess it would be cool

XD

[lethal lagoon]

Well most projectiles don't exist, so I dunno how that would work, but the base damage quenching fire as an opposite to causing it fits.

[near drift]

make venting shriek blow you backwards 10m so you can spring jump

[eager token]

i was just going for a dome like effect

would probably be super niche but would be COOL

[spice veldt]

reflecting bomber nades

[eager token]

all gunfire stops, trapper nets destroyed, bomber grenades destroyed

[lethal lagoon]

Trapper nets are hit scanned

So it technicaly already does that

[eager token]

awful

let my dream die i guess..

[lethal lagoon]

[burnt maple]

Would legit be a good change

[tulip kettle]

so, quick theorycraft

with the damaging shriek

if you are at 85% peril with warp rider, 6 warp charges and 5 stacks of perfect timing

will you instakill groaners and pox with it?

[lethal lagoon]

I think no, but Ima go check.

[tulip kettle]

i think you might but i need to head out for 20 minutes

[mighty cipher]

THIS GAME IS FUCKING EZ

JUST GOT TO LEVEL 30 AND RIPPED A WARP NEXUS IV PURG STAFF AND DEFLECOR IV ILLISI

[orchid shadow]

Nope. 😦 I don't think you'll even get them past 50%

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/cookies-enjoy-chocolate-chip-cookie-gif-11797931

[tulip kettle]

i think you should not just guess

groaners nearly die to it at max peril with no toher buffs

poz have a bit more hp and a diff dmg type

but 6 warp charges increases its dmg by 25%, perfect timing by another 15

[mighty cipher]

Damaging shriek, Unless they changed it while I wasnt looking, is objectively worse than the flame vent

[tulip kettle]

dude im not asking for your opinion on whats better 🙂

[orchid shadow]

Really? I remember testing it and going..

[tulip kettle]

im asking if in that scenario it 1 shots trash hordes

i think it might

[mighty cipher]

It doesnt

[tulip kettle]

be back in 20

[haughty star]

Deflector 4 illisi could either be really good or really trash depending on the person you ask lol

[mighty cipher]

It has damage falloff for some reason

[lethal lagoon]

It does not at all

Not even close

So yeah, poopy

[mighty cipher]

I think it moreso depends on what you need it for.

[tulip kettle]

i wonder WHY it doesnt

[radiant frigate]

really trash imo

[lethal lagoon]

Warp charges doesn't seem to affect it

[radiant frigate]

uncanny/slaughterer funtimes

[mighty cipher]

Damage falloff

[lethal lagoon]

So it's just perfect timing

Warp rider doesn't seem to hit it either

[haughty star]

It's not that it's trash for me it's that the combo of other blessings is just so much more badass

[mighty cipher]

I think its because it consumes the charges and THEN deals the damage. or something like that.

[wind spruce]

That's odd

[tulip kettle]

That's why it doesn't work then, there is no reason those things shouldn't buff it

[mighty cipher]

Same issue with Gaze

[lethal lagoon]

The damage technically happens AFTER those things though

So, how?

[mighty cipher]

Idk man, psyker is a mess

[wind spruce]

What about weapon perks affecting it

[mighty cipher]

My beloved mess but a mess nonetheless

[tulip kettle]

AHH yeah I see that the damage is applied after warp charges are depleted, makes sense

[wind spruce]

Test it for me so I can stay in bed @lethal lagoon

[tulip kettle]

Warp rider and perfect timing should still have an effect

[burnt maple]

I've been playing since a month after launch and I still don't have deflector 4 lol

But any rank of deflector is fine

[lethal lagoon]

Now wait a minute, second test did 268, so I might be wrong about some things.

Still no horde one shot though

Maybe it changes if the poxwalker is closer?

[tulip kettle]

Well that will 1 shot groaners right

[lethal lagoon]

Which weapon perks?

[tulip kettle]

So maybe with +infested on weapon ...

[mighty cipher]

Force shirek has damage falloff

[wind spruce]

The damage ones

[lethal lagoon]

Does it really? Lmao

What a useless talent

[mighty cipher]

like, REALLY BAD damage falloff

anything outside of 10m takes like half damage

[burnt maple]

What about adding a damage stim?

[wind spruce]

How fucking dumb

Can we get a talents pass already and fix some of this useless shit

[tulip kettle]

Thing is, for what I'm thinking 10m or so is workeable

[lethal lagoon]

Weapon perks seem to hit it

[tulip kettle]

So if +infested and +10 groan/pox works

This could work....

[radiant frigate]

but could it work as much as soulblaze

[lethal lagoon]

I don't see how, you need 300 damage, so 50% base.

Hmm

[tulip kettle]

Well you managed 260...

[lethal lagoon]

So you need unarmored to get the weaker horde

[haughty star]

Behold, the shield of swords

[lethal lagoon]

infested probably isn't happening

[burnt maple]

Dang I'm jelly

Lol

[wind spruce]

Precog 🤢

[haughty star]

A would be God tier diemos ruined by hadron

So I made it a meme

[burnt maple]

I was just about to say lol

[lethal lagoon]

I got 332 with infested and all buffs

So still off 375

But I guess with unarmored and within 10 meters, you could kill weak horde

Maybe with unstable?

So force sword with unstable, unarmored and infested

[tulip kettle]

Yeah trash only

Doesn't the groan/pox apply at a different point in the calculation than the armour types perks?

[haughty star]

I ran this with a +3 Stam and block efffeciency on two of my curios and I literally was able to whack a demon host with it and do the shield ogryn thing

[lethal lagoon]

Ima go try with 25% infested and unstable force sword(I've lost my mind).

Might not need the 10%

[lethal lagoon]

Unstable power +25% infested will kill all horde within 10 meters

[tulip kettle]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[lethal lagoon]

Without warp charges, the same combo does 332

Without perfect timing, it will kill all horde.

But you need 6 charges or 4-5 charges and 10% groaner

This will surely be a useful round of data collection that will effect many builds

[long wharf]

I was just going to ask what the point was

[lethal lagoon]

Worst part is I definitely didn't have time to do this and am about to late so bye.

[ornate hamlet]

is this a good base gun?

woopsies lol

hol up

[upper sun]

I kneel

[steady yarrow]

Any tips on the Warp Battery penance? I've been using voidstrike, but starting to think maybe purg staff might be better to maintain stacks?

[winter siren]

[austere crest]

Best mod XD

I like that i can have a stabby stick

[haughty star]

Surge and smite and the circuis or one of the other two with a outrageously long melee of a end phase

Higher the difficulty the better

[tulip kettle]

i appreciate it, im back now