psyker-class

[spice veldt]

i also suppose that i know roughly where stuff spawns and whatnot

[tulip kettle]

change barrage to rending shockwave

and stamina to carapace

but honestly its not a great trauma because only 65 radius

[spice veldt]

either way, dodges let you get away with a lot of stuff and are a very free, brainless defensive mechanic

[tulip kettle]

oh yeah agreed

its just those odd occasions where i know i dodge an attack but still take damage

that made me wonder how exactly it functions

[spice veldt]

if you're dodging backwards, then the moving-out-of-the-way component is screwing you over

and distancing yourself from enemies will tend to proc their running attacks

[tulip kettle]

i dodge backwards vs ragers and nothing else

maybe dogs if i panic and my brain is telling me to push it instead of dodge it effectively

[marble crater]

What dom said, radius could be better, but I guess it will do until you get a better one

[spice veldt]

dodges have been pretty reliable for me though i also have good internet

[tulip kettle]

yeah they are good like, 99% of the time

but that 1% really frustrates me

also when the game just eats the input

[tulip kettle]

this one is sadge

so close to greatness

[violet plinth]

indeed

god I hate this crafting system

[tulip kettle]

on trauma, you want max radius dmg and charge rate, with 70% in the other 2 or whatever distribution you prefer. Then theres 2 builds, one with : blazing spirit, warp nexus, 5% crit chance, flak damage

[marble crater]

But t4 Shockwave, so that's good

[tulip kettle]

the other build is rending, flurry, carapace and flak

and idk everyone cries about it

[marble crater]

Blaze trauma is more fun

[tulip kettle]

but its like, does going from 75 to 80 damage, or rending 3 to rending 4, really matter THAT much

i think not

[marble crater]

It doesn't and trying to get that little bit more sounds more frustrating than fun

[tulip kettle]

its the difference between spending 500k dockets and going , hmm, these 3 would be good enough

or 20 million dockets on a perfect roll

though when it comes to trauma i think you really dont want to use it with less than 70 in either dmg, radius or charge rate

but thats why trauma is also one of the worst weapons to farm, because especially for blaze trauma it needs a really specific roll

kind of like crucis Thammer in that not getting the exact right blessings and perks makes it feel not nearly as good

but thats just like, my opinion man

[violet plinth]

What about voidstrike builds?

[tulip kettle]

wayyyy more forgiving

[marble crater]

I'm using this, damage is low but it works for now

[tulip kettle]

nearly anything will work, but there are some builds that are "optimal"

when it comes to void

[tulip kettle]

not bad

[rocky raven]

dmg/charge/quell with best blast radius you can. those 3 are the biggies tho

• nexus & surge

[tulip kettle]

you dont want or need blst radius on voidstrike

its the dump stat

[rocky raven]

or flurry/peril for constant spam

[tulip kettle]

then you can go surge nexus for crit builds or peril transfer / flurry

yup

[violet plinth]

thanks

[tulip kettle]

but asny combo of those 4 blessings will be fine

[rocky raven]

it serves a purpose past ~56% to HS behind cover

warp res is more of a dump on void with the small stat spread tbf

[tulip kettle]

agree to disagree on that one

[tulip kettle]

slightly better

dont think its worth the plasteel to gain 1% flat crit rate or 2% max peril crit rate

but i also want more dmg 😄

[marble crater]

Nice, one of these days I will want a better one, but I'm not going to spend millions on it, just going to wait for a good base from Melk or Brunt

[tulip kettle]

yeah i tend to go for a "good enough" for most things then hard grind for stuff i really want

[analog agate]

I have used a 56% dmg trauma and 78 (or 79) dmg trauma. In your overall playtime there isn’t much of a difference.

[tulip kettle]

lol idk dude, on rending trauma going from 2 blasts to 3 on most elites is pretty significant

[marble crater]

You need something that's good enough to grind for what you want after all, and also a lot of good enough things are better than one perfect thing, can play different builds

[analog agate]

This is for blaze trauma I’m talking about

[tulip kettle]

my hard grind is still crucis rn

about 6-7 mil deep on that and ive got quite a graveyard of "pretty close"

[upper sun]

i have only really gotten like 1 good base from brunts

id rather camp the store for anything good and try to make a build out of it later

[tulip kettle]

i have had so many good bases on different characters

[wind spruce]

This is the most efficient way over the medium-long term

Buy any base that's good even if you don't like the weapon rn

[upper sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1202578893559828510/image.png?ex=65cdf7df&is=65bb82df&hm=200a0f3871d4ea1ff8e7e705566d81578393e73d8799df9ceeae241d9726c1d8& i got this guy for my zealot

[wind spruce]

When I wanted to make a Columnus this patch it cost me 0 dockets

Bc I had so many good bases for it

[wind spruce]

Nice

If you want wounds

[upper sun]

i gave brunts a chance ~300-400k in and it was just a waste

[tulip kettle]

lol bro thats small change

thats one good roll session for one weapon

[upper sun]

i just got zealot to 30idk what im doing but its nice to have

[wind spruce]

Yeah I don't roll blunts until I have 1 mill minimum

And I only expect a couple of greys to be worth upgrading (but my standard is high)

[upper sun]

man by the time i buy and sell all the trash i could have played another whole mission

[wind spruce]

Are you on pc?

[upper sun]

cant use mods but yeah

[wind spruce]

Why not

[upper sun]

geforce now

i stream the game 😢

[wind spruce]

Ahh

Barter at once and buy until rating are such good QoL mods

[upper sun]

i have 90 down 90 up symmetric connection might as well use my internet for something

[wind spruce]

Even so if I had the option I'd choose mods

[upper sun]

yeah same

[wind spruce]

Actually @spice veldt I've been meaning to ask what the mods are you use for the thin healthbars you have and also the decimal points on damage

[upper sun]

I cant get a PC now and even if i could i cant justify it since i only really wanna play darktide and red dead2

[wind spruce]

Fair enough

[spice veldt]

the thin healthbars is from hud tweaker, and the decimal points on damage is just removing a math.ceil() around a variable in the healthbar mod lua file

my healthbar stuff is just a thin healthbar that's atop the toughness

[wind spruce]

Ahhh! I forgot about HUD tweaker. Might hit you up to help me change that variable in the healthbar mod when I'm online if you don't mind

[spice veldt]

sure

[wind spruce]

Would it be possible to save a preset of mod configurations so I can switch between them for different weapon set-ups, even if I have to reset game and replace info in a file?

Trauma staff makes me want to have an off-centre set up but it feels shit for every other build

I use custom hud to move things around and I figure it must record the x-y co-ordinates for each HUD element

[tulip kettle]

i do this all day erryday son!

[spice veldt]

i don't think that's possible yet though i haven't been checking on mods much recently

[fresh reef]

haven't played in a while so I hopped directly into auric quickplay, naturally

don't think I did too bad, apart from missing the dodge on two nets

[tulip kettle]

yes friend, your electronic penis is large

also, the only dreyko on the board right now is power supply interruption on HI5 or malice

sigh

[fresh reef]

look man, I enjoy my funny green circles yellow numbers and still being half decent after a hiatus is a nice confidence boost

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-cookie-pepe-up-cookie-fefe-fefeupcookie-gif-26522255

you did well, the emperor is, im sure, very proud

[plucky flax]

Me getting lower score than bots in sedition.

[fresh reef]

agony

[wind spruce]

Imagine having to get ressed by a lvl 6 onlysmiter

[plucky flax]

It's hard.

[hearty oak]

Bots are just too good

[opaque charm]

It is worth noting that Damnation Auric is not immune to the flood of trash players we have been seeing

[lethal lagoon]

Look at the team score

And defense score

[ornate hamlet]

warp flurry or warp nexus?? for surge staff

[feral verge]

both

but if you cant take both, take warp nexus

warp nexus will boost damage

[ornate hamlet]

i have both on a shit staff so i can only take one of the blessins

gotacha

[feral verge]

same thing for purga staff

warp nexus takes priority

[ornate hamlet]

good or nah?

[feral verge]

yes, cuz quell speed is the dumpstat

[feral verge]

not good

damage stat is important

[ornate hamlet]

so quell and damage are the dumps stats i gotta look outfor

ty ty

[feral verge]

damage is not a dump stat, you want it to be high as possible

[ornate hamlet]

whats a dump stat

[feral verge]

the stat that is safe to have low

[ornate hamlet]

oh gotcha tyt y

[feral verge]

bad

[ornate hamlet]

hows this one

damnnnn

[feral verge]

you want this

flak + elite/maniac or even carapace

warp flurry, warp nexus

[upper sun]

Ill take it

[feral verge]

you want all stats to be equal. if you cant manage that, then have quell speed be low, and all other stats to be high (70% or higher)

[ornate hamlet]

gotcbha

[lethal lagoon]

A perfect surge would be all 80s with Crit Bonus at 60.

So aim in that direction.

[ornate hamlet]

gotcha

good tips

[lethal lagoon]

There really isn't a dump on Surge though, but if you had to pick a stat to be 60, it's crit bonus.

[upper sun]

i mean quell speed can be a dump stat if you're into edging

[lethal lagoon]

No?

[ornate hamlet]

wait whats edging in this game

[lethal lagoon]

You need a decent amount of quell to 1 tick edge at 87%

[upper sun]

keeping peril high but not dying

[ornate hamlet]

i do that all the time

except when i go smite

[magic kayak]

damage isn't a dump stat, but it doesn't need to be 80. The difference on most weapons and staves from 70 to 80 is almost nothing

you have to remember its 70-80% of a bigger range of numbers

[lethal lagoon]

Nothing needs to be 80, I was just giving the perfect distribution for a 380 surge.

[magic kayak]

compared to something like critical damage where the difference from 70-80 could actually be a lot of damage

Yep didn't mean towards anything you said just was providing as info

[upper sun]

this is as close as i got

[magic kayak]

That's a solid staff

[lethal lagoon]

I mean that should be largely indistinguishable from a meta staff 🤷‍♂️

[upper sun]

i want carap instead of infested tho 😦

[long wharf]

no, it's a surge staff, says right there in the name

[magic kayak]

I only use staffs to bonk people

special attack only auric run. Watch me on YT

[upper sun]

dodge everything and do zero damage for 45 minutes then flame the team

true bonk build

[magic kayak]

haha doooo somethinnngggg

worst team evr.

blessings run n gun and terrifying barrage

[lethal lagoon]

Legally speaking, you can't flame the team unless you are the worst player on it

[magic kayak]

I feel like a staff bonk build would fit that category

[ornate hamlet]

yes i have a friend thats this way lol

[upper sun]

reallly dont get why people bother being toxic

[magic kayak]

it happens so often too

[upper sun]

like if someone isnt playing too well on your team talking shit to him will make him play worse

though if fatshark wanna be really funny they should have heretic chat and you can talk shit to an AI that pretends to be chaos worshipers

that would be so fun

[magic kayak]

I wish

[lethal lagoon]

Right, which is why the only people who flame the team for being bad on the mic are almost always in last place

[magic kayak]

Or talk shit about how your zealot is 5 miles ahead of the team

[lethal lagoon]

Talks shit*
I check scoreboard*
Yep they are last place*
I've had this happen dozens of times at this point.

[plucky flax]

Best defensive player!

[lethal lagoon]

🥹

[upper sun]

misery loves company

[lethal lagoon]

Honestly, I'm more *shocked * we won that than the auric mael

Well "we" is a strong word but you get what I mean

[plucky flax]

Why everyone played good.

Including the lvl 1, lvl 10, and lvl 11.

(not)

[lethal lagoon]

3 Offence score

Literally goated

[queen trout]

Any psychos here use the obscurus force sword still? The OG one

[radiant frigate]

unlikely

[upper sun]

nope

[radiant frigate]

deimos does single target better and illisi does multitarget way better

[feral verge]

there is no reason to

other than nostalgia

[upper sun]

my three babies no other sword can replace

[queen trout]

But the goofy uppercut swing

[feral verge]

weakspot dmg X

low first target damage deimos

XXXXXX

very replaceable, im sorry

[upper sun]

wait

[upper sun]

i meant this one

i dont have slaughterer 4 so havent replaced blessings yet

[feral verge]

blazing spirit is thoroughly meh

but is outright bad on deimos

slap uncanny strike on that

[upper sun]

yeah i want a good illisi with slaughterer and deflector 4

maybe melk would be a bro sometime this fucking week and get me a cool blessing

[sharp shoal]

I use uncanny 3 precog 4

On my deimos

[feral verge]

executor slept on hard

[sharp shoal]

I don't have it quite yet

My psyker on console has Been lvl 30 6 days

I haven't played today tho

Also repeating a hit defeats the purpose of deimos

You want to one hit

Deimos does good single target

[feral verge]

lol

[sharp shoal]

There

Not gonna listen to someone like you

No point

[feral verge]

?

[sharp shoal]

Besides I got 11k hours on VT2

[queen trout]

[sharp shoal]

Today is vt2

Not darktide for me

[queen trout]

your evil

[sharp shoal]

I want to try versus

But I know its going to be bad

I don't per say wanna say evil

[feral verge]

deimos cant one hit everything

executor brings it closer to that

[radiant frigate]

why not uncanny

[sharp shoal]

It can't one hit ogs or bosses

[feral verge]

drastically reduces time to kill on crushers, and the like

[sharp shoal]

I use trauma for crushers

[feral verge]

executor procs on 4 tics, like uncanny, when using the special attack

you can instantly proc 4 tics of it on a trash enemy

[sharp shoal]

Make em brittle

[feral verge]

then 2 shot a crusher

[sharp shoal]

Then use deimos

rending is good

[feral verge]

thats what im talking about lol

exectuor blessing on deimos

thats why i am laughing

[sharp shoal]

I need Shockwave 4

Not 3

[feral verge]

because i dont think you were paying attention to waht i was saying

[upper sun]

im already using it for clear idk i feel like it would fit more rather than trying to dual a crusher with it

[sharp shoal]

For my trauma

I typically bb crushers from a distance

[radiant frigate]

lot of trash has armored heads too

[sharp shoal]

With max warp stacks

I can one hit if 6

4 isn't enough

[radiant frigate]

uh what

[sharp shoal]

4 is 12%

6 is a additional 24% more dmg

On warp charges

For brain burst

[upper sun]

honestly i have never had anything with slaughterer 4 i wanna try it myself as well

[bold badger]

i've never got 1 shots from 6 charges on bb.

[feral verge]

it is good on illisi

[radiant frigate]

if you can't oneshot crushers with EP i cannot see it ever happening with warp charges

[feral verge]

not reccomended for deimos

[upper sun]

yeah

[radiant frigate]

50% is a bigger number than 24%

[sharp shoal]

I got a one hit in the grinder with a yellow roll

With 6 charges

[radiant frigate]

probably a double pop

[sharp shoal]

probably

[radiant frigate]

kinetic flayer

[sharp shoal]

That would explain it

[radiant frigate]

so your amount of charges is irrelevant

[sharp shoal]

I need advice on doing warp battery atm

Taking a break today

I tried a lot yesterday

Still no luck

It's the 300s with max

I'm stuck at 274

[feral verge]

what difficulty

easier in auric

[sharp shoal]

I'm doing maelstrom heresy

I typically do the blitz maps

[bold badger]

I feel like it shouldn't be hard with purg if you have anything high intensity + shock troop

[sharp shoal]

I'll try purg again

I've been using trauma

And surge 4 void

I'll try purg

[bold badger]

i feel like with psychic vampire talent, even though it's only 4% chance of warp charges, with the amount of enemies dying between you and teammates you get fast warp charges.

Don't pick a map with a long elevator lol

[sharp shoal]

Melk sold me a surge 4 flurry 3 void staff

It'd be easier with friends just fighting the endless horde at the end of a map but right now their playing other stuff like palworld

[lethal lagoon]

Auric Magistratti, the beginnning section is packed filled with enemies and should last 5 minutes.

[sharp shoal]

Alright

I'll give it a try

[orchid shadow]

Enclavum Baross is a decent map to do it on if you run Hi Intensity Shock troop. No elevators or anything to wait on except for the bridge

[sharp shoal]

I'll pick up a purg

[opal lake]

Can anyone tell me how much damage Smite does per tick if it's Empowered?

[sharp shoal]

I'd like to know to

[lethal lagoon]

I mean it's gonna vary quite a bit between enemies

EP smite -> flaming shriek -> keep holding EP smite does about 80% of a ragers hp

[queen trout]

run the 4% chance to gain a stack on any kill

[feral verge]

you want this

[sharp shoal]

I run that but it still doesn't proc enough to get the full 300

I got to 274

[lethal lagoon]

I'd recommend revolver if you are doing auric

snipe elites before others

The old revolver

[sharp shoal]

Doesn't soul blaze do very little against carp

Or am I mistaken

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, it does.

very little

[sharp shoal]

okay was thinking that

Tomorrow I'll work on a good purg

Collect a bunch of money and roll for a 380

Highest I have right now is a 370 grey

I've been rolling the shop hunting copies of weapons as 380 greys

[sharp shoal]

Dump stat for purg is warp res right

[feral verge]

damage, actually

and quell speed

damage can be a dump stat on purga and flamer

however, i'd rather have lower quell speed

[sharp shoal]

quell speed then alright

damage on purg and flamer is low anyways

its not direct damage that it does

that kills

[burnt maple]

You need to make sure burn is at 78%

[feral verge]

use melee for isolated targets

[feral verge]

76%

[burnt maple]

For 15 stacks of fire

76%

[feral verge]

dont be one of the fools who use purga on muties

[sharp shoal]

if i can complete warp battery

i'll have

2 penances left in redacted

and 2 in regular psyker

to 100% the class

[deft nymph]

Thougts on my voidstrike build?

[burnt maple]

Can you even get redacted pennants still?

[sharp shoal]

i've gotten almost all fo em

on psyker

i got em all on ogryn

the redacted ones are just more difficult

like the grenade one for vet

its tedious

[sullen rapids]

yes

[sharp shoal]

the tab is at the very bottom

og is the easiet to do

by far

[feral verge]

feeling nostalgic

judge me

@spice veldt cant judge me though

[sharp shoal]

i like the look of that sword

[zinc phoenix]

It’s still bad 😢

[sharp shoal]

but i don't like how it handles

you got surge on your void

[spice veldt]

you're disgusting

[feral verge]

by itself, obscurus is not bad. it's pretty good

but its not by itself

[sharp shoal]

obscurus is fun

but its not as strong as the others

[sharp shoal]

mines got nexus 3

and surge 4

i need nexus 4

[upper sun]

Is there even a surge 3? ive never seen one

[sharp shoal]

idk

i only got surge 4

[sullen rapids]

only surge 4

[sharp shoal]

which staff skin is that

[sullen rapids]

surge is mid as fuck too

[sharp shoal]

it works for me

[burnt maple]

Surge 1 makes it shoot 1/4 shot

[sharp shoal]

i enjoy surge

[deft nymph]

no its good you just need to learn how to flick and hit two balls in two different spots to double damage

[sharp shoal]

i want to get a staff skin on my psyker

so waiting and hopping

i like being able to pop the double

and i pop one rager with the first hit

[sullen rapids]

it only helps if youre dealing with massive hordes or against bosses/ogryns that dont die in one crit

[sharp shoal]

and the second hits the rager behind

[burnt maple]

Surge is pretty weak blessing wise.

[sharp shoal]

and activates the random bb

and i kill both ragers thx to surge

it was satisfying when that happend

[sullen rapids]

but with hordes you still stagger most that you dont kill and the ogryns get staggered from a single orb anyways

like coming from someone who plays voidstrike in 3veg all day surge is mid

flurry is more consistent and much easier to get the benefits from

[deft nymph]

doesnt stagger hordes it blows throw them and if you are edging and have high crit it blows throw crushers or just use a duling sword. warp flurry isnt needed because 80 percent of your shots are 25 percent charged shots. I usually average 750k damage with voidstrike

[burnt maple]

Damage done don't really mean anything

Surge is a waste of a blessing because you're also losing out on other more useful blessings

[deft nymph]

do you know how to flick shot two balls?

[burnt maple]

Even if the poor of blessings is like 4

[ornate hamlet]

so what do you use?

[burnt maple]

Yes

[ornate hamlet]

ok

[burnt maple]

I'm gonna be honest, I don't actually care if you use surge

[deft nymph]

yeah but i dont think you are using it to full potential

[burnt maple]

I feel the same about you

[tulip kettle]

😄

[burnt maple]

And that's fine

Surge is not a popular blessing and that, in most cases, is proof enough

[tulip kettle]

i prefer the one on the right

but the left definitely has uses

[deft nymph]

its popular in auric mals

[burnt maple]

It's popular in every game that you are in

[tulip kettle]

surge lets you 1 shot crushers on crits, and clears trash faster with LMB spam, has higher potential DPS

the right one is much smoother and more consistent to use, but lower max dmg potential

use cases for each

[burnt maple]

Use whichever, I'm not trying to prove or stop you

[halcyon temple]

QQ: I'm a lvl 30 Psyker and I have never used the staff. Is it really worth it? If I need to hit something far I just throw shards. What would be the proper way to use the staves?

[ornate hamlet]

any staff works just gotta build right with it

[tulip kettle]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

enjoy the read

[halcyon temple]

Man

No one said anything about reading

https://tenor.com/view/i-guess-memes-meme-gif-17950413

[bold badger]

looks like all the debating reached the omnissiah. This what hadron just delivered me

[tulip kettle]

heyyy, thats pretty good!

consider keeping unarmoured dmg

[bold badger]

I've honestly never messed with surge, does the 2 shot count on charged or only lmb?

[tulip kettle]

depends what exactly you want it for, but with the unarmoured you will comfortably 1 shot groaners even on non crit hits with lmb

and it works for both

but, the second shot fired wont do crit dmg

so on a fully charged shot the crit wont do double damage

[bold badger]

i normally ran with flurry/transfer peril on voids.

[tulip kettle]

yeah me too

with + carapace instead of maniac this will 1 shot crushers at high peril

if you weakspot crit a charged attack

[bold badger]

This is the one i had for a while

[tulip kettle]

it will also 1 shot trash on LMB spam with the + unarmoured

honestly of those 2 i know i personally would prefer the bottom one

with flak instead of special it would be literally perfect

[bold badger]

i think i had this one before the class update patch. I forget why I changed the top perk but it was definitely something pretty bad I think.

[tulip kettle]

probably lvl 1 stamina or some nonsense

only other thing is, i think charge rate is SUPER important, but obviously slightly less so with flurry

[bold badger]

agreed

[tulip kettle]

so in that way its good your flurry one got low charge and your crit staff did not

[bold badger]

i just want this to be over

[tulip kettle]

heh

and then you will go outside?

[bold badger]

yes lol

[tough trench]

this is a yay from the melk man right? shame about the warp res but

[tulip kettle]

i would take that yes

warp res is not that important honestly so its great

[tough trench]

shred > uncanny and melee damage to flak/something?

[tulip kettle]

put flak instead of specials and then dealers choice for the second upgrade

[lethal lagoon]

That's like saying power cycler 2 on Power Sword isn't a popular blessing.

I mean you are technically right

But it doesn't mean what you think it does.

[tulip kettle]

also, illisi is not great at killing arm oured eiltes, but is great vs hordes

[tough trench]

i havent played around with deflector so im thinking of swapping out shred

[tulip kettle]

shred is honestly fine

like, not amazing, but fine

you could just save the upgrade point and play around with it after putting flak on

[tough trench]

i can put slaughterer or unstable in there

[flint aspen]

I managed to kill a few crushers with the illisi

[tulip kettle]

indeed

[flint aspen]

Only because I was really backed into a corner

[tulip kettle]

oh it can be done

but its like, not good at it

[tough trench]

ill just hold it

yea i use ilisi for horde clearing ofc

[flint aspen]

Also Deimos is just too awkward

[tulip kettle]

lol deimos is my bey

dont badmouth the deimos

[tough trench]

i could never get a hold of dueling swords and dont typically run trauma or purg

[flint aspen]

That delay on that force heavy hit

F u c k

[tulip kettle]

you mean the special attack?

[flint aspen]

And I'm used to the shovel mk 7 heavy hit delay

Yeah the special attack

[tulip kettle]

right, but the special attack on deimos is for one thing

maxing uncanny

[feral verge]

you shouldnt use the special attack often

[tulip kettle]

other than that you dont use it

[flint aspen]

It's a force of habit after spamming so much special attacks on the illisi

[tulip kettle]

just L - H - L

but deimos is not for hordes

its for armoured elites

[tough trench]

poking

[tulip kettle]

its just a force duelling sword

[flint aspen]

I know it ain't for hordes and yeah I did try using it on a Crusher once

[burnt maple]

Deimos is pretty versatile on the hordes, it's not fantastic but you'll be okay with a bit more dodge/blocking

If you're used to illisi, etc

[tulip kettle]

the heavy attack poke knocks down crushers

[flint aspen]

Also it's stranger since I love the dueling swords

[tulip kettle]

and deimos is about as good on hordes as a duelling sword is

aka, not very good

[burnt maple]

deimos is also really good vs muties

[tulip kettle]

all melee weapons CAN deal with hordes but deimos is not great at it compared to Illisi

that, definitely yes

[burnt maple]

I agree with that

[tulip kettle]

i just see it as, with DS you special attack to stagger stuff, with deimos you land the heavy weakspot

and chaining LHLH is not exactly difficult or time consuming so its very safe when dealing with crusher / rager packs

[burnt maple]

I hope they add a warp knife or something as mobile

[lethal lagoon]

There's already a 2handed force sword right?

I mean in the data

[tulip kettle]

apparently so, i only heard that from others and saw a model though

no its not available yet

its just in the data

a 2h greatsword force sword

[lethal lagoon]

I wonder what kind of role that could fill

Cause I feel like Illy should have been 2handed

[tulip kettle]

illisi but more i guess

[lethal lagoon]

But then Illy joins Ob in the graveyard?

[tulip kettle]

idk

it will be very slow i guess

[burnt maple]

It'd have to have something different you'd think

[lethal lagoon]

I hope it makes blazing spirit viable or something, or maybe that's why it's still in the data, cause it has no place

Flaming 2hand or some shit

Like it's special ignites

[tulip kettle]

now you say that, that actually COULD work, right?

[burnt maple]

If it does more dps it might also outclass the deimos

[tulip kettle]

if you cleave through 10 targets on a crit

and set ther last 6 on fire

that can be pretty good

[lethal lagoon]

The question is why it didn't kill them though

[tulip kettle]

because damage indices says it can only hurt 4 enemies per swing

[lethal lagoon]

Oh, does warhammer 40k have any sort of lightsaber?

[tulip kettle]

like most of weapons in this game that have this nonsense

[lethal lagoon]

Warpsaber

[tulip kettle]

well, not like a beam of light

[lethal lagoon]

That would be fun for a blazing type melee weapon, but I don't think there's anything like that in the normal lore.

[tulip kettle]

they do have that

but its a tool, not a weapon

lascutters

surprisingly, 40k is pretty good about physics, when physics applies haha

[lethal lagoon]

"My left arm was numb and useless. I threw myself to my feet, pulling my sword from my webbing. The device is a fine weapon, of the old kind. It has no material blade like other, cruder models I have seen. It is a hilt, twenty centimetres long, inlaid and wound with silver thread, enclosing a fusion cell that generates a metre-long blade of coherent light."

Noice

But it sounds like it'd be a vet weapon

[tulip kettle]

where is that from

[lethal lagoon]

From Xenos (Eisenhorn trilogy).

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/e0jobs/just_a_friendly_reminder_that_there_are/

[tulip kettle]

Sollex-Aegis Energy Blade
A product of information obtained from the Aegis Data Fragment and utilising the properties of the Sollex focusing crystals, this is one of the rarest type of weapons in the Imperium—a blade of coherent high-energy plasma which materialises from the armoured hilt as a blazing, roaring column of blue-white fire. Devastatingly powerful, only a few Sollex-Aegis energy blades are held by individuals outside of the Mechanicus, and their secrets are little understood even by their makers in the mysterious Tech-Priest sect of Sollex. Although potent beyond even most power weapons, they can also prove treacherous to the unwary as the energy blade can fluctuate, the laser containment fail or the insubstantial blade slip unexpectedly.

hmm

so they do exist

[upper sun]

man why doesnt purge staff have a regular primary attack

[tulip kettle]

but they are pants shittingly rare and only used by the mechanicus (and eisenhorn before he replaces it with a deamon blade but imperium flavoured)

[upper sun]

the primary fart fire feels so goofy

[tulip kettle]

its really good for what you want it for

and if it had the same lmb as the others it would be too good

its downside is its lack of range, you remove that downside and its busted

"why cant my flamer just shoot bolter shots on LMB"

[upper sun]

yes

idk i have an ok-ish one and i just keep going back to surge staff

[tulip kettle]

they are for different things.

[upper sun]

lemme start the game its got good burn and cloud radius

[tulip kettle]

right?

do you understand what im saying

they are for, different things

purgatus is for burning hordes and mixed hordes

[upper sun]

man what weapon would have all 4 of anything

[tulip kettle]

nothing kills a horde as fast as purgatus

its LMB has high stagger + supress so you can stop stuff shooting at you and knock stuff away from you

[tulip kettle]

change carapace to flak

change ranged damage to 5% crit chance

[upper sun]

ye

[tulip kettle]

then build your tree correctly for purgatus

put on a melee weapon that can deal with crushers

you are set

[upper sun]

bb vent and middle lower branch?

[flint aspen]

I think what kindof bogs it down visually wise is that it doesn't feel like you're doing much damage to them but you actually are

more of a "feedback" thing than anything mechanical

[tulip kettle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b3c5836-bfa8-495a-84b7-6c520a1f6507/burning-2

just the talent tree from this i didnt do the rest

then what you want to do, is charge the RMB attack up

spray it into a mixed horde for 2-3 secs

then shriek at them and go about your day

if you are getting pinned down by lots of gunners far away, shriek at them and get cover

[lethal lagoon]

Peril reduc is kind of redundent on Purg, but otherwise pretty orthodox build right there

[tulip kettle]

really far away sniper can be brainbursted

[upper sun]

@tulip kettle this is what i had for it

[tulip kettle]

most definitely not.

thats... just...

[lethal lagoon]

I don't know what that's supposed to be, but I hate it.

[tulip kettle]

not very good.

i think my friend

you should do some reading

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

[flint aspen]

Why isn't your brain burst having that kinetic resonance

[upper sun]

i thought it was bugged

[tulip kettle]

no

look dude as i said i think maybe you wanna try giving the above guide a read

that talent tree kind of says you dont understand the class youre playing or how the tree works, not trying to offend

[orchid shadow]

Wildfire but no Combustion. O.o

[tulip kettle]

completely agree, and you can choose to go vampire instead of in fire, and some people might take wildfire instead of empathic, but as a starting point i think this is fine and very forgiving

[silent coral]

what perks do you want on surge staff?

[lethal lagoon]

Flak is mandatory.

The second one isn't that important but some good ones are; Maniac, 5% crik, unyielding.

[orchid shadow]

I like Flak / Elite

[lethal lagoon]

That works too, nothing is really a big deal as the second perk.

[static needle]

Does shredder pistol have bad finesse value?

[tulip kettle]

because surge always hit the body carapace is bad on it and flak is required, pox/unarmoured isnt good here although there is an argument to be made for infested, stamina nearly always bad on ranged weapons, weakspot and crit dmg are kind of bad, so that leaves maniac, crit chance, elite or unyielding

[tulip kettle]

idk about finesse but it just has low dmg overall

[lethal lagoon]

As in do the crits do basically nothing? Yeppers.

[tulip kettle]

shredder is good for run n gun + supression to stop stuff shooting at you as you run at it on zealot but other than that i dont think its very good for actually killing anything

[spice veldt]

shredder's finesse is like 1.3x

annihilate mankar

[feral verge]

guarded, clown and nerd for you @spice veldt

[thick sequoia]

Good evening sibling! I'm a nood psyker and i need some advice on keystones.. What Keystones does the most consistent damage ?? Warp Siphon or Disrupt Destiny? Disrupt Destiny does more damage but its not consistent on top of that sometimes team members kill the marked target that empowers the buff.. i wanted to keep a consistent amount of damage as a gun psyker ( with Scrier's Gaze of course) But i also want to have powerful brain Ruptures and if i choose Empowered Psionics i only have 3 charges to use and it doesn't seem too consistent.. Like i said im a noob

[feral verge]

Warp siphon definitely is more consistent

[thick sequoia]

Thank You Sibling !!

[lethal lagoon]

If you are running gun psyker, then assail with EP is probably your most consistent combination.

With scrier's gaze too.

For staves, Warp Charges is definitely the most consistent option.

[sharp shoal]

i still want power halberd for the og

when do we get that

it'd make sense the ogryn gets the big power weapons

if vet gets the sword

[kind sequoia]

Does cooldown reduction affects assail?

[misty cypress]

no

[ornate hamlet]

Is deathspitter good on cmkv?

[lethal lagoon]

DumDum matters the most, deathspitter is decent yeah.

Fire frenzy is still better, but it's not like a massive difference

[lethal lagoon]

Yes

[hearty oak]

I am just convinced the relic from zealot is there just to push bosses off cliffs

[ornate hamlet]

It’s quiet here tonight

[obtuse dragon]

illisi mkv blaze force or deimos mkiv blaze force?

[sullen rapids]

wait if youre running gunpsyker and youre unable to kill the targets before your teammates do i think thats a build issue

basically every gun youd want to run on gunpsyker can 1-3 shot everything that can get marked while in scriers

ok wait maybe columnus takes like 5 or 6 on ragers but like

idk like, scriers is 30s and if you cant keep it stacked while on gunpsyker you probably arent doing enough damage to warrant using it over some other build since the whole point is assloads of damage

i do maybe like the idea of trying it with warp siphon tho ill probably try that with my friends once a 3veg shows up

cdr + peril resist is cool, but disrupt destiny is 100% more powerful for a small amount more effort

[foggy condor]

@rocky raven RIP

[hollow current]

godlike

[foggy condor]

meme staff died

what should i refine

[hollow current]

perks for damage or crit chance.

[foggy condor]

unarmoured or flak?

[urban sandal]

flak

[long wharf]

blessings aren't ideal, anyways

[foggy condor]

5% crit chance and 25 flak replace both perks leave blessings?

[long wharf]

you want either flurry+rending or nexus+blazing

[foggy condor]

ah damn

i just levelled it cause 1% res

[urban sandal]

I'd make it a rending staff since you won't be able to get flak and crit chance

[long wharf]

yep, I wouldn't put any resources into it

[hollow current]

I thought that was surge staff lmao

[long wharf]

strip warp flurry off and call it a day

[foggy condor]

i have flurry 4 already

[sullen rapids]

ok i just tested it and warp charges doesnt reduce scriers gaze cd

[long wharf]

not on trauma, according to that screenshot

[urban sandal]

it says you don't

[long wharf]

staves don't share blessings

[foggy condor]

oh woops

ill hold onto it till i get something better i just picked up psyker

[long wharf]

I wouldn't

it's bricked

take flurry4 off it and call it a day

[foggy condor]

gotcha rip meme staff

[sharp shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/book-of-grudges-total-war-warhammer-dwarfs-dwarf-vengeance-gif-19626646

[lethal lagoon]

I didn't say it did?

[sullen rapids]

ik, just like

[lethal lagoon]

Oh I guess it was kinda implied

[sullen rapids]

warp charges are not that great

[lethal lagoon]

Given the context

[sullen rapids]

yea

[lethal lagoon]

For scrier's gaze yeah, but you typically don't use that on staves

[sullen rapids]

i use it with voidstrike lol

idk but good to know that warp charge + scrier is broke

[lethal lagoon]

It's really lame it's like that, itd be so fun popping scriers gaze that fast.

It's been like that since patch 13

Maybe it's unbalanced and they have no idea what else to do but to plug their ears and leave the bug

[tribal sparrow]

opinions on the fire staff?

gave it a try last night will say i find it rather good at crowd control and wave clear

[unique mist]

its pretty good

but the main weakness is how much you have to use it

voidstrike+assail beat it in most cases

[wind spruce]

It's difficult because if they made the same change as they did to executioners stance and it started ticking down on activation, you'd have to make the CD somewhere in the realm of one minute for it to not be absolutely broken with CDR, and then it would be too different in power level with or without CDR.

They could make it be affected by psykinetics and warp charges but not tick down naturally while active and have it at a 45s cooldown or so, but I'm sure that's "infinitely complex" since it's probably not in the code to do that atm lmao

[plucky flax]

Are you level 30 yet?

[ornate hamlet]

is voidstrike+assail better at CC than smite?

[wind spruce]

Nothing is better at CC than smite

[ornate hamlet]

okay that makes sense

[unique mist]

smite is the best at crowd control, being able to stun entire hordes no matter the enemy type is massive

assail is good for quick horde clear and scattered gunner hordes

also a great panic button

complements your melee

my problem with smite, brain burst and purgatus is that you need to be using them almost exclusively to get good value out of them

that's what i call "high uptime"

[tribal sparrow]

🤔 i hear what you are saying, i was using it more in the way of the flammer, stagger big horde then apply some dot whip out force sword and clean up with that, brain burst for specials

i found it stacks realy well with the soul fire perks, decent AOE havent check total dps tho to be fair

[ornate hamlet]

Did they ever fix the interaction with Scriers gaze and Warp Siphon?

[tribal sparrow]

nop

[rotund fable]

I would tempted to get this from melk... if it were a Zerona and not the Agripina.

[wind spruce]

You do not need to be using smite and BB almost exclusively to get good value out of them. Quite the opposite in fact. They are situation tools that should be used sparingly.

[unique mist]

what i mean is there is no half assing smite

you can't just quickly smite a horde

you gotta commit

whereas with assail you can let a few shards fly and still get maximum value out of it

or with voidstrike a few shots at head height through a horde, or at a crusher's head

[wind spruce]

Ah, I see what you mean. You sort of have a point, although quickly smiting a group and releasing to knock them over is the way it should be used far more often

But yeah assail is weavable in a way other blitzes aren't

[rotund fable]

Shame assail isnt avalible if you want Psykinetics Aura...

[wind spruce]

A damn shame

[rotund fable]

Theoretically, you would be able to spam a few shards at a line of gunners or a wave of dogs, and instanly have your ability back off cooldown.

[wind spruce]

Yes, like you can do now with your weapons

[rotund fable]

well, yes, but you could theoretically pull it off without having to roll the hadron gatcha for good gear... which... now that i think about it, may have been why they didnt let psykinetic aura-assail psyker be a thing...

[radiant frigate]

either you're overvalueing assail or i am undervalueing it

[thick sequoia]

i just read you message and thank You!! i also read when you mentioned scrie's gaze and Warp charges are broken.. would you only use for staves or did you test with any guns?

[sullen rapids]

no like

the main point of warp charges is that they get consumed when you use your ability, and then you get the cooldown reduced

with scrier's, it eats all the warp charges, and doesnt get the reduced cooldown

[thick sequoia]

yeah i was trying to see if i can get more consistent damage with Warp Siphon or Disrupt Destiny V.s Empowered Psyonics

im sry i was trying to test Brain Rupture with them

because EP you only get 3 charges and i wanted to see what can keep a consistent level of damage instead of trying to save 3 good charges of EP for any random Bullwarks. Crushers or bosses

[thick sequoia]

Hope im making sense lol

[radiant frigate]

i suggest disrupt destiny if you're going to pick a keystone

[wind spruce]

There's no way it has anything to do with gear lol

[rotund fable]

In the mind of a new player who got frustrated by hadron, it deffinitely would

[thick sequoia]

Thanks 🙂 but what gun should i use if im just trying to farm marked targets? the shredder?

[radiant frigate]

people seem to like the columnus autogun

[wind spruce]

You're definitely undervaluing it. Assail is extremely strong. The only reason it isn't picked in way more builds is because of psykinetics aura

[radiant frigate]

perhaps it is

but it does not fill a niche i need

[wind spruce]

I doubt that. Extremely strong damage for minimal time input if you weave it properly. Crazy stagger.

[thick sequoia]

@radiant frigate @wind spruce when using Assail what do you guys use if its like 5 crusher coming at you ? and the team you're with just got stomped out?

[wind spruce]

The same thing you do if you have smite or brain burst

[radiant frigate]

zero boss damage

[wind spruce]

So?

[radiant frigate]

so not a niche I'm looking for

[wind spruce]

You're right. It doesn't do everything. Must be bad.

[thick sequoia]

lol ok i see your point ..well smite i stun til i can kill them.. BB i can only get a couple off and fall back...honestly i never tried Assail just didnt seem like it was doing a lot

[radiant frigate]

brain burst doesn't do everything either

so that's a weird statement to make

[plucky flax]

Bring back patch 13 assail

[thick sequoia]

i only love Brain Burst for range targets and snipers and the boss when someone is holding agroo

[plucky flax]

2s cd + handcannon

[sullen rapids]

assail is ammo efficiency so you can dump ammo on the boss

[wind spruce]

Not at all. I told you what it's good for and you come back with it being bad against bosses. That's a weird response

[radiant frigate]

i also don't do gun

[wind spruce]

I don't recall them nerfing the CD

[plucky flax]

They did. If you take the faster cd talent now it's the same as base cd in patch 13.

[wind spruce]

Weird. Wasn't in patch 14 notes.

[plucky flax]

So in patch 13 with the cd talent, you literally can spam assail forever.

[radiant frigate]

i said i don't run it because it doesn't fill a niche I'm looking for, you said you doubt that and tell me all the things it does do, and then i tell you what i picked brain burst for

[wind spruce]

Tbh you don't even need quick shards

You're only looking for one niche? It's boss damage? And you picked brain burst?

[plucky flax]

[wind spruce]

What even is this conversation

[radiant frigate]

for everything else assail does, i have a sword and a staff

[wind spruce]

Link me @plucky flax

[plucky flax]

Assail has had:

• damage nerf
• cd nerf
• bug fix

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-traitor-curse-part-1-anniversary-update/86764

[thick sequoia]

@wind spruce @radiant frigate like i said before im a noob thats why im here

[plucky flax]

Don't worry me noob also me play sedition

[wind spruce]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/patch-14-notes-part-1/84501

My bad was looking at this

When they nerfed the damage

[plucky flax]

Patch 14 somewhere.

[wind spruce]

Traitors curse was patch 15

[plucky flax]

I am not your wiki

[wind spruce]

I was in hospital then so I wasn't paying attention to the notes

[paper harbor]

What got you in hospital bills?

[plucky flax]

250 to 200.

[wind spruce]

Yeah that's what I was looking at

Still

[plucky flax]

50 damage nerf is kinda big.

[sullen rapids]

then dont take assail lol, the only reason i use it is to let columnus do work without a vet in the team

[wind spruce]

It's still great though

[plucky flax]

Yeah I use assail with voidstrike and guns.

But I miss the old assail.

[sullen rapids]

because no vet means i have to shot shoot everything which assail helps with a lot

[plucky flax]

The handcannon assail.

Spam forever assail.

[radiant frigate]

and i don't, so we're good

glad we agree

[wind spruce]

That's the only time I use it as well

[plucky flax]

I'd use it a lot more if it was the middle blitz perhaps.

But on the right side it sucks to not be able to take wildfire.

[wind spruce]

As I said earlier, if it didn't conflict with psykinetics it would be run soooo much more

[plucky flax]

Man doesn't believe in the power of wildfire.

[wind spruce]

We know you stan wildfire

[radiant frigate]

make wildfire great again

[wind spruce]

Now go get your gf out of the trunk

[plucky flax]

When I don't get top damage with wildfire maybe I take it away.

But it keeps carrying me every game.

[wind spruce]

No wildfire = 0 soul blaze damage

This is known.

[plucky flax]

It's tru.

I play loner stealth zealot and bleed knife too.

Zealot chat mald over it.

[wind spruce]

Yeah but do you run lacerate AND flesh tearer

Like any gud combat knife user

[plucky flax]

I actually do.

[wind spruce]

Are you asking me if bills got me in hospital? Lmao

[paper harbor]

Yeah

I means what got you in hospital?

[plucky flax]

I moved so fast they couldn't keep up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bms7mTnXu88

[wind spruce]

I was diagnosed with ADHD, and as a long term poly drug user the safest way to start stimulants was to detox and do it in a controlled environment. It's incredible the difference between undiagnosed with no help and diagnosed with help. Take care of your mental health, kiddos.

[paper harbor]

Well fuck I have severely depression

[tribal sparrow]

i saw this and i was happy, but then it sank in and i was sad no patch today

[wind spruce]

I can relate. If you have the means go get therapy. Don't be afraid to ask for help. Life can and usually does get better. People care.

[wind spruce]

Sorry homie

[tribal sparrow]

oh yeeeaaaaa fr!!!! im glad you got the help you needed, the road to recovery is long!!!

[paper harbor]

The fucking doctor put me wait appoint in 3 month and leaving med for me to take.

My psychiatrist not therapist*

[radiant frigate]

find someone who is equally depressed so you can be depressed together, and then become happy together

[tribal sparrow]

i was asked to be admitted but i turned it down KEK

[radiant frigate]

worked for me 👍🏻

[wind spruce]

I'm glad it worked for you but that's not good general advice.

[radiant frigate]

i thought my phrasing was unhinged enough to be dismissed

[wind spruce]

I would've too if I'd been asked.

[wind spruce]

A three month wait for what?

[paper harbor]

Next appointment

I see him last year like on nov

This feb 19

I’ll see him again

And I haven’t change my mind base from med

Is just felt like everyday same and get worse with my overthinking thoughts

Bad thoughts

[wind spruce]

Inbox me lasagna

[tribal sparrow]

purging heretics and keeping chaos at bay is all we need to move forward brothers!

[paper harbor]

In dm?

[radiant frigate]

if i stop clicking, the voices get louder 🙂

[tribal sparrow]

my dms are open to you too if you ever want to talk!!! ive been diagnosed with clinical depression going a year now

[wind spruce]

Thanks, brother. Recovery is indeed a long and arduous journey. We often carry trauma with us all throughout our lives from things that happened before we could even walk. Unpicking those demons is something almost everyone will struggle with and could benefit from. If you've been living with an undiagnosed mental condition that's even more true.

[paper harbor]

Had lot going on my life

[tribal sparrow]

oh yea same ;p but sometimes it helps to just confess it all or get it off your chest!!!

[tribal sparrow]

and thats what people will not understand, the stress casued by thinking you are horribly wrong compared to those arround you, people are like yea you got diagnosed but that dosent mean anything like bruv stfu

[wind spruce]

We all have internalised ableism on some level. That there's something wrong with your willpower or moral fortitude stopping you from achieving what you internalise as your "should". Letting go of that is incredibly hard, but is the most consistent path to long term contentment.

[radiant frigate]

Seek purpose

[wind spruce]

Abhore platitudes

[quartz barn]

Kinda sad how this is almost considered normal now

[radiant frigate]

what is?

[quartz barn]

Having a or multiple mental issues

[radiant frigate]

well, it isn't normal

it's why they are issues

[quartz barn]

But just because most people go through something similar in their lives doesnt make it ok

Been there myself a few years back as well

[wind spruce]

It depends what you mean. It's awesome that these things are being destigmatised. That so many people with mental health issues are able to correctly identify their problems and receive help.

It is completely normal to experience mental health issues. The vast majority of human beings will experience anxiety and depression at some point in their lives. Many will experience more acute and severe cases of these, as well as other conditions.

[patent steeple]

I could suggest that this conversation is shifted back to darktide-based stuff to avoid moderators’ wrath, but this is the psyker chat so it makes sense we would talk about mental health issues (psyker is supposed to be a space wizard with some kinds of mental health issues, probably mainly schizophrenia)

[quartz barn]

Just like the voiceline between psyker and vet when the vet is lamenting their fall from the guard

"I never said i care, HAHAHAHAHA"

As a side note this is probably one of the better places to talk about this kind of stuff because the distraction helps

[patent steeple]

I am not saying psyker players have guaranteed mental health issues btw, I just said psyker as a character is most commonly associated with having mental health issues.

[wind spruce]

This place is moderated?

[unique mist]

Well when you literally hear voices in your head you have an excuse

[lethal lagoon]

He lacks faith

[tulip kettle]

i was about to say

its not a mental health issue if the voices in your head ACTUALLY EXIST

[quartz barn]

Yes beloved a shield is a good idea

[lethal lagoon]

The voices in our head aren't anymore real or fake than the world we percieve

[tulip kettle]

yes, yes i told him that!

no beloved, not good at all!

[lethal lagoon]

It's all skill, zealot!

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[patent steeple]

If that’s the Emperor you’re really talking to, you’d better listen.

[quartz barn]

Dw good and bad just depend on your perspective

[tulip kettle]

False

objective morality is obviously the morality that aligns with my beleifs, duh

[lethal lagoon]

[quartz barn]

Wait this isnt #zealot-class

[tulip kettle]

no, this is the class channel where you have at least a 25% chance of having a productive discussion

as opposed to 0%

[lethal lagoon]

📿

🙏

Now that you've seen buddhist Ogryn, you must repost 5 times.

[radiant frigate]

No

[lethal lagoon]

Buddhist Ogryn is okay with that

[quartz barn]

Alternatively wipe out humanity and erase the concept of good and bad

[tulip kettle]

precisely

[quartz barn]

But wouldnt that be chaotic neutral?

[lethal lagoon]

Murder is agaisnt "order", so DnD wise, no, I think.

[tulip kettle]

no but really, good and bad dont exist

[lethal lagoon]

Well neither does chaotic neutral

[wind spruce]

Everything is a social construct

ERRYTHING

[patent steeple]

Isn’t the character in this pic from an old star wars rpg?

If I’ve heard correctly, the character is a Jedi who dislikes others for donating money to beggars due to the possibility that other beggars get aggressively jealous.

[lethal lagoon]

Kindness without responsibility is problematic

[radiant frigate]

yes, it's kreia

she constantly tells you, the player character, that you should not rely too much on magic, and have practical skills, and to stand on your own

and that actions have consequences

[patent steeple]

Its certainly something the player does not expect for the first time when they give money to a beggar NPC with the wizard-grandma-who-takes-teachings-to-extremes nearby

[radiant frigate]

not giving money to the beggar may result in him mugging someone else, giving him money gets him mugged by someone, misery is unavoidable

[patent steeple]

Man, people in star wars games are kinda asshole-ish sometimes

The devs of the old star wars RPGs really managed to emulate the misery that the star wars movie actors have to go through with Disney lol

[lethal lagoon]

I don't think it was too intended, but all jedi are pretty much giant assholes

So it fits.

[radiant frigate]

red space wizard or blue space wizard doesn't matter if you are not a space wizard yourself

[patent steeple]

Red space wizards are more likely to telepathically choke you to death, while blue space wizards take the bad parts of society for granted and thus don’t do anything about it.

[lethal lagoon]

No it's worse, they actively support the regime responsible for the creation of those bad parts.

2 red wizards can only do so much

White blue space wizards do quite a lot

[patent steeple]

Ah yes, I forgot about that…

Also I think the Jedi Council in the prequels lore at one point was more concerned about an invaded planet’s resources than its population

[tribal sparrow]

okey so i figure the staf rankings are void, trauma, fire, elc yes? personally i prefer the fire staff for group aoe becuase fire good and go brr

[radiant frigate]

if blue space wizards go to war with red space wizards and you get caught in between as a nonwizard, or you have to clean up afterwards, you won't care about their colors, you'll just hate space wizards not getting along because they have different religions

[lethal lagoon]

Rankings for what though?

At the end of the day, the only two things that matter are "Did you win?" and "Did you get plasteel"?

[tribal sparrow]

general usefull ness, that said i am still very new to le game and would like to hear some other opinions ;p

[wind spruce]

Surge is definitely not the worst staff

Purg definitely is

Nuff said

[tribal sparrow]

may i ask why?

[urban sandal]

in my definitely not biased opinion, trauma staff is the most useful

[lethal lagoon]

On my metric, I would list Blaze Trauma as first, Void and Surge tied, Purg last.

[tribal sparrow]

dang all this hate on ma boi the purge staff

[lethal lagoon]

I dunno about every else, but I used purg a bunch before patch 13.

[patent steeple]

I myself think purg is best for me, while trauma and void are tied and shock staff is last

[lethal lagoon]

It's very much been left behind by the current style of gameplay.

[tribal sparrow]

ohhhh did it get a nurf?

[lethal lagoon]

Not a nerf, the game is just faster paced.

And purg is a bit slower.

[wind spruce]

Purg is too slow mobility wise, is too short range, and has too long of a windup to deal damage.

[lethal lagoon]

I mean at the end of the day, a better player is going to beat pubs with every single loadout

So it's hard to really judge these things

Just "Git Gud" and you'll have fun

[sullen sphinx]

All staffs are viable is you build and play around them

[lethal lagoon]

Master the fundamentals of positioning and disabler tactics.

Surge is great for that because it's a fairly low brain power staff

So you can put all your attention on mastering the game

[wind spruce]

Purg has terrible special control

[tribal sparrow]

🤔 i found purg v good at cc, tbf i was maining a force sword and just using it to stagger

[lethal lagoon]

Keep in mind, this dicussion is only about Auric t5s and Auric maels(I assume).

[wind spruce]

I'd hope so

[tribal sparrow]

indeed

[urban sandal]

blaze trauma does everything purg does but better

[lethal lagoon]

Just making sure, I've had discussions with people who play heresy, which is fine, but why are you concerned about meta 😅

[lethal lagoon]

Indeed.

[wind spruce]

Tbf if youre still stuck in heresy you probably need to lean into meta weapons and builds more

[lethal lagoon]

I recently watched someoen basically solo an Auric Melee Mael with Blaze Trauma

It's a weapon.

[tribal sparrow]

😔 ✊

what are the dump stats on staffs?

[wind spruce]

"Basically"

Translation: had to get ressed by a lvl 6

[urban sandal]

could probably do it with rending too honestly, melee maelstrom might as well be made for trauma staff

[lethal lagoon]

Rewatching the clip, he likely died because he saved me from the mutant in the fire.

[flint aspen]

melk why the kark does your surge staff have run and gun in it?

[tribal sparrow]

becuase funny XD

[sullen sphinx]

"A new marvel has awoken"

[flint aspen]

and this chainsword even if I hardly ever use chainswords ever

[wind spruce]

Depends on the staff.

Blast radius for void.
Peril resist for purg.
Peril resist or quell for trauma.
Crit modifier for surge

Although these are contentious

Especially for surge

[lethal lagoon]

• For surge, you don't want crit modifer below 50%, it's less of a dump and more of a fixer upper.

[tribal sparrow]

we fr need some variety on the uncharged attacks (LMB) becuase like why are they all the same XD

[flint aspen]

only the purge has a different lmb attack

[lethal lagoon]

Other than Void, where blast raidus is a supreme dump, the other "dumps" aren't things you can just ignore

[flint aspen]

on a scale of 1 to 10, how fucked is this chainsword

[lethal lagoon]

The perks are fine, right?

[tribal sparrow]

super helpfull thx, good to know my logic is still intact here

[lethal lagoon]

So you have free blessings

I think some people like the chainsword for anti boss

so hmm

[wind spruce]

Pygex says bloodletter and rev it up for blessings

[lethal lagoon]

Really depends on what you use it for

[wind spruce]

What's the carapace damage like

That could be worth

[urban sandal]

+25% of fuck all is still fuck all

[wind spruce]

Noted

The chainsword feels gimp af so I've not used it much

[lethal lagoon]

The anime moments where you chain a mutant running past you and he dies 10 meters away is hilarious though

[wind spruce]

I'd probably switch devastating strike for bloodletter and maniacs for unyielding and make a boss killer with decent horde control as well with rampage. Idk.

[lethal lagoon]

The chain already one shots mutants, so yeah

[wind spruce]

Yeah tbf I think I got some cursed rolls trying to build one then shut down those traumatic memories

Maybe I'll give it another go

[flint aspen]

this just in, Hadron bricked my shit

[urban sandal]

I'm sitting on like 200k plasteel and still can't bring myself to upgrade weapons to gold in the hopes of getting something good

https://tenor.com/view/joe-exotic-tiger-king-never-recover-financially-broke-gif-16765645

always feels like that

[flint aspen]

infested enemies, really you fucking techpriest?

[quartz barn]

Im on the opposite end

[flint aspen]

there's no saving this deimos

[quartz barn]

I have gear with good perk/blessing combos, but low base rating

[flint aspen]

because brunt would rather give you shit base ratings

[quartz barn]

So i just spam buy grey gear and upgrade whatever is 370+