It's up to you. Just don't be one of those one-trick pony types that think they can just smite their way through a mission, only to become a penance farm from dying so much
#psyker-class
hearty oak
lethal lagoon
It's up to you. Just don't be one of those one-trick pony types that think they ...
You can absolutely smite your way through every mission
The problem is people use smite completely wrong
hearty oak
I mean it in the way that they just only use smite. And not the rest of their loadout
tribal sparrow
🤔 I was planning on using the revolver, nice because 5th shot is basically garneted crit, paired with a high fineness duling sword, my main aim was to just assist with mixed crowd control not realy looking to the tickle fingers for dmg
plucky flax
Use surgical you'd get much better crit rate than crucian roulette
lethal lagoon
Keep in mind both psyker and revolver have high base crit, so surgerical is crazy good and less time investment than you'd think.
tribal sparrow
Use surgical you'd get much better crit rate than crucian roulette
😔 time to hit the darktide slots machine again
lethal lagoon
Use surgical you'd get much better crit rate than crucian roulette
What's the best female psyker voice, it's finally time for me to make OnlySmites 
I feel like you'd know
plucky flax
Hrm female I like seer and enforcer.
Old lady and French lady.
I'd say go for the old lady.
Shed fit only smite with her funny voice.
lethal lagoon
I'm between old lady and french.
The advantage of french is she says "It's all skill" when complimented for killing a lot 
I wonder what the old lady says
Eh, Old lady it is, it's not like I'll need to gear up another OnlySmites if I changed my mind
plucky flax
lethal lagoon
Now here's the challenge, can I hit level 4 without attacking and without the help of friends
plucky flax
I can level boost you.
lethal lagoon
Right now? What's ur friend codey thingy.
That makes me feel better than bming some poor pubs
lethal lagoon
I don't think it'll matter, I'll join ur team
So I'll lag but I'm not attacking anyways
plucky flax
I'm only lvl 30. Pog
grim inlet
lads i just played in the most ridiculous match ever. it was the scan mission at the end is a giant tree. 3 psykers and a vet. we literally couldn't get out of that little room in the corner. It was an endless hoarde with elites and everything except bulwarks and crushers but we legit couldnt get out of that stupid room. We all had over 600k damage and we didn't even beat it. it was fricken stupid lmao
lethal lagoon
I'm only lvl 30. Pog
Post your scoreboard, that was hilarious 
lethal lagoon
When I saw their levels, I fucking died laughing.
plucky flax
They heard free exp was on. 
lethal lagoon
Oh it said 7, now its 6.
plucky flax
I can solo that if you smite.
lethal lagoon
wait lemme spec into smite 😆
plucky flax
Gonna restart game real fast.
lethal lagoon
lethal lagoon
Yeah, queue up.
upper sun
terrifying barrage t4 the quest for a god rolled surge staff continues
plucky flax
lethal lagoon
memes aside, how much did that feel like a solo match versus smite actually helping
For science, I gotta know
plucky flax
Well given how I had to come to you to help kill specials when you could have shoot or melee them.
Those bits were weird.
lethal lagoon
plucky flax
If it was actually 4 players though would have made it easier.
Since I wouldn't need to babysit.
plucky flax
lethal lagoon
I never realized how much I depended on flaming shriek to use smite
plucky flax
Yeah need to level up for creeping flames.
lethal lagoon
Also I wonder if those two players we got the first game ever noticed I did 0 damage
lethal lagoon
I don't think we can write off all behavior as memeing
plucky flax
lethal lagoon
terrifying barrage t4 the quest for a god rolled surge staff continues
Oof.
lethal lagoon
Yeah need to level up for creeping flames.
Speaking of leveling up, my game is bugged, I keep having to restart and watch a new cutscene.
lethal lagoon
Oh yeah, I have most of it from my POV if you wanna see how stupid some of it was.
I felt like I was in a comedy special during the sluggussy part. I'm sure it felt different for you.
My one contribution to the game
lethal lagoon
Give me the memes
🙏
That was technically an Auric Mael duo, right
Or was that a regular Mael
lethal lagoon
Title it :Auric Maelstrom Duo
With no context
upper sun
🤔
if i buy the game again on a second account i can prolly grind pretty quickly in private games if i just make the other account suicide to peril on a macro
lethal lagoon
Grind what though
upper sun
plasteel
lethal lagoon
I don't follow
lethal lagoon
You can do that now with mods and 3 bots
near wyvern
You can do that now with mods and 3 bots
Not for Plasteel
lethal lagoon
Many More try
upper sun
you cant earn materials with the mod
upper sun
ye i wanna do solo play
im getting sick of getting ping spammed GOTHEREGOTHERE if i try to collect something or clear an area ahead or anything
lethal lagoon
Try out Many More Try, usually no one will queue into it.
Also it definitely won't be faster than regular t5s, just to be clear.
upper sun
yeaaaah im not gonna do t5s
near wyvern
Why not?
upper sun
t4s with 2 bots idk either t4 low intensity is the max ill do if im just gonna do it with bots
lethal lagoon
Oh btw, look at this scoreboard, it's an Auric t5 Melee Mael, the game clearly pulled it's punches because we had two bots.
Is that a known thing?
near wyvern
Just get into LFG and ask for a plasteel farm group
proven crest
soloing low tier content for plasteel seems like the least possible fun way to experience the game
lethal lagoon
That seems way too little total damage
proven crest
but you do you
upper sun
Just get into LFG and ask for a plasteel farm group
nah i wanna do the runescape grinding alone
near wyvern
Oh btw, look at this scoreboard, it's an Auric t5 Melee Mael, the game clearly p...
Not many people que into maels
lethal lagoon
Not many people que into maels
No I mean like does the Game Master account for you having bots on your team?
upper sun
besides all that
near wyvern
Grinding Plasteel will kill this game for you
near wyvern
No I mean like does the Game Master account for you having bots on your team?
For spawns? Don't seem to be the case
upper sun
t4s are stressful for me even if i clear them out with a friend relatively pain free
lethal lagoon
For spawns? Don't seem to be the case
That's a winning scoreboard of an Auric Melee Mael with only 1,800k total damage. I've seen them at 3000k.
upper sun
imo t3 high inten is the way the game is meant to be played
lethal lagoon
I feel like it has to.
I've wondered for a while if the game master considers bots, it's tough to tell. At least the few times I've been solo it doesn't seem to.
But on some duos, it feels like he pulls back.
near wyvern
The director AI is just very inconsistent overall
Sometimes you get a shit load of enemies
Sometimes you don't
upper sun
yeah this week i got two beasts of nurgel in one t3 mission + a boss at the end
ive played t4s without any bosses
near wyvern
I have done auric Hi-Int STGs which have had less special spawns than Auric Hi-Int missions
proven crest
i've done regular damnations with more special spawns than some auric missions
doesn't happen often, but it happens
upper sun
i think they add the monstrosities at the start of the week to let people finish their weeklies faster
lethal lagoon
t5s hi-ints have clear monster spawn though, so I don't really mean that.
At least mostly clear
Like when you drop down after the event on the desert map, where you charge up a pylon, a boss almost always spawns.
plucky flax
Always spawn for me.
Don't remember the last time there was no boss after mid event of relay station.
upper sun
or a trapper on the left side 35% way through the payload mission
lethal lagoon
Don't remember the last time there was no boss after mid event of relay station.
Fucker always waits until one of you drops down too
wind spruce
<:pogryn:961977701533614130> <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168> <:staregr...
Bloody hell you've only changed one perk on your trauma
lethal lagoon
<:pogryn:961977701533614130> <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168> <:staregr...
NGL, I'm really looking forward to what your basically solo mael was like lmao
plucky flax
Bloody hell you've only changed one perk on your trauma
I'm waiting for blazing spirits 4.
wind spruce
Fuck you
lethal lagoon
^
wind spruce
I hate you
lethal lagoon
Yeah, fuck you
plucky flax
lethal lagoon
wind spruce
plucky flax
Blaze trauma bad anyway pls never use it.
vestal fulcrum
Funny how that skill used to be 15% instead of 5% before P13
wind spruce
Funny how that skill used to be 15% instead of 5% before P13 <:whatthefuck_heres...
And people wouldn't take it in favour of fucking psychic vampire
That made me so mad
vestal fulcrum
I think there was some merit to not taking it, say, if you had a Psyker that wanted to specialise in killing specials/elites, it would make sense for them to have it, instead of a guy that decided to commit to Ascendant Blaze/Purgatus clearing
But then
We didn’t have many of the powerful abilities before P13
Pre-P13 aura with Ogryn’s Point Blank Barrage would have been obscene
stuck sinew
plucky flax
And people wouldn't take it in favour of fucking psychic vampire
Isn't vampire the warp charge one?
wind spruce
Isn't vampire the warp charge one?
Yessir
lethal lagoon
Psykinetics aura is balanced
TBF, he's literally the only one dealing damage.
wind spruce
True but still
lethal lagoon
Honestly from his POV, it's hard to tell I even exist.
plucky flax
I'm confused as aura and vampire don't conflict.
lethal lagoon
I think that settles whether or not Smite spam is effective
wind spruce
I'm confused as aura and vampire don't conflict.
Pre patch 13
plucky flax
It's so long ago I can't remember. 
wind spruce
It was a choice between psykinetics aura at 15% CDR, psychic vampire or the one that make BB add a damage debuff
plucky flax
15% per elite kill
lethal lagoon
25% BB damage debuff was wild
plucky flax
Seems balanced.
wind spruce
So balanced
plucky flax
I took all 3.
lethal lagoon
It effected BB too I mean
plucky flax
wind spruce
That would be lit
lethal lagoon
Literally
lethal lagoon
I hate watching this video, I was literally sweating my balls off and you can't even tell 
upper sun
anyone like claw?
wind spruce
Does any other combo scale that well
upper sun
ive never used it
wind spruce
I never liked dclaw on psyker much because it sucks against carapace
And so does the rest of our kit
plucky flax
I hate watching this video, I was literally sweating my balls off and you can't ...
Why sweat just chill out mane
upper sun
And so does the rest of our kit
this is where the MOBILITY combo comes in
wind spruce
I think arco said it doesn't really work
wind spruce
this is where the MOBILITY combo comes in
Ah yeah just run away and alt f4
lethal lagoon
Thunderous flaming shriek is wild honestly.
wind spruce
Skullcrusher they need to be staggered, right?
lethal lagoon
Why sweat just chill out mane <a:nooooo:971102259490476083>
upper sun
Ah yeah just run away and alt f4
block push dodge vent alt f4
wind spruce
Thunderous flaming shriek is wild honestly.
Yeah but as discussed it's literally like 10% extra damage on flak maniac and unyielding
lethal lagoon
For you, but it's a debuff for the team
upper sun
smite shriek is really nice nice but i cant bring myself to run smite before getting either a good void or a good truama
somehow smite surge feels a bit redundant
plucky flax
Good trauma
lethal lagoon
Actual heresy
plucky flax
Good luck
lethal lagoon
I'm sure the emperor will gift me an amazing trauma on OnlySmites I can't even use.
wind spruce
smite shriek is really nice nice but i cant bring myself to run smite before get...
I genuinely think smite is best with Surge
lethal lagoon
Yeah, Lightning on Lightning action.
upper sun
this is as close as i got maybe replace unarmoed for flak and sustained for nexus
wind spruce
Trauma already has good crowd control
And void is yikes without assail let's be honest
lethal lagoon
this is as close as i got maybe replace unarmoed for flak and sustained for nexu...
I'm sorry mate that's just bricked
wind spruce
this is as close as i got maybe replace unarmoed for flak and sustained for nexu...
Trauma HAS to have high charge rate
upper sun
dont make me post the 378 one
upper sun
lethal lagoon
I feel like at this point you just need to give up and make a new psyker
upper sun
🤔 i dont think that'll help
lethal lagoon
It helped me
wind spruce
I want a psyker called the Barrelmancer and just only go for team kills
upper sun
i swear the first t2 you do at level 1 is harder than most t4s I played
upper sun
3 teammates die while im hitting maulers with a brick
kind sequoia
New to psyker. Can you do an Assail build and use it as your main weapon? It's fun to use it
upper sun
you can but you shouldnt
flint aspen
finally got to level 30, and got to see the traitor brained again
plucky flax
Rannick daddy
flint aspen
was debating myself if I should keep wearing the hoodie cosmetic or not just for this scene alone, but decided not to
vestal fulcrum
RIP Mara Vinci 
lethal lagoon
finally got to level 30, and got to see the traitor brained again
Is it just me, or is it looking like the first time he ever used a pistol actually make the scene better?
kind sequoia
I'm not having a lot fun with the force staves 😦
flint aspen
Is it just me, or is it looking like the first time he ever used a pistol actual...
considering how it miraculously made the traitor be converted into a servitor later
lethal lagoon
Keep in mind force staves have both their rate of fire and peril use determined by stats*.
flint aspen
he probably has the weakest revolver in the game
lethal lagoon
So they feel dookie before max level
kind sequoia
I'm still 11
lethal lagoon
well there ya go
plucky flax
I'm not having a lot fun with the force staves 😦
At low level use purga
It's easy to use and scale well for low difficulty
patent steeple
At low level use purga
or as the purga-haters would call it, pooga
patent steeple
Try playing purga in melee scab only <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
this is the reason why I never play maelstrom. Well, this and the fact I am on a constant Damnation Plasteel grind...
lethal lagoon
Just swap to thunderous combat axe after stacking and stand there in glory 
flint aspen
now that I'm level 30, time to roll some staffs, yaayyyy...
upper sun
🤔 this is the 7th uncanny strike 4 and the zeroth slaughterer 4
lethal lagoon
patent steeple
Above malice is too hard.
its not for me, but then again I never play Maelstroms and very rarely get to play Auric due to me still not having good weapons, only decent ones...
wind spruce
its not for me, but then again I never play Maelstroms and very rarely get to pl...
Dude the amount of people i see in auric mael with garbage weapons is crazy
lethal lagoon
Join my OnlySmites for only $3 a month and you never need to have good weapons again 
patent steeple
Dude the amount of people i see in auric mael with garbage weapons is crazy
do they win with those weapons, or are they just good at the game?
upper sun
we boosting in darktide now too?
wind spruce
do they win with those weapons, or are they just good at the game?
Well yeah they are good, that's my point
Skill is way more important than gear
lethal lagoon
we boosting in darktide now too?
That would be hilarious
It's like people who bought Runes in Elden Ring
wind spruce
There's some weapons you need good rolls to make work but most you can flat 2/4 blessings/perks and do fine
lethal lagoon
wind spruce
Especially now they brought the differences between the blessing ranks closer together
upper sun
400 PLASTEEL GUARENTEED PER GAME LEVEL 30 IN 10 GAMES
zinc phoenix
https://tenor.com/view/jerry-dance-gif-4733528965136617165
Need an ending shot of green Tom killing jerry
upper sun
man I just need a 30K gpu to train an AI to play this game for me
if they can do it for minecraft i dont see why it cant be done here
zinc phoenix
Why? It’s a game, it’s for entertainment
Why would you make a thing play the game for you?
zinc phoenix
Why
Literally just play at the difficulty you find fun and upgrade your gear as you get the urge to try new things
It doesn’t even need to be good gear
upper sun
yeah 200 hours In i have one good sword and two good curios
zinc phoenix
Greens work fine for everything short of t5 mael
zinc phoenix
yeah 200 hours In i have one good sword and two good curios
You’re defining good way too strictly then 🤷♀️
zinc phoenix
i got yelled at for saying a purge staff with 75% burn instead of 76% burn is go...
The real problem is burgatus 😂
But losing one burn stack literally will not ever matter outside of d*ck measuring in meat grinder
It’s like all the nerds sweating over breakpoints in a game where there’s just assloads of incidental damage flying around
upper sun
imo the game is really meant to be played at t4s
lethal lagoon
I mean the end-game is basically crafting, so I dunno.
zinc phoenix
Literally just dodge when you hear a special and don’t die in dumb shit ways and you’ll do fine in auric damn 😂
upper sun
i'm 200 hours in and i still like playing the missions
lethal lagoon
Plus this is a fairly specialized channel.
zinc phoenix
i'm 200 hours in and i still like playing the missions
🙌
upper sun
I hate collecting materials tho
lethal lagoon
i'm 200 hours in and i still like playing the missions
There really isn't a game with gameplay like this 
hearty oak
imo the game is really meant to be played at t4s
I'd believe it to be the Canon difficulty of the game
upper sun
imagine if league of legends made you collect materials
lethal lagoon
Post patch 13, normal t5s are pretty chill though, meh.
upper sun
I've only played T5 once for the penance
zinc phoenix
I think t5 is the intended diff, auric and mael don’t find the barks or atmosphere at all
zinc phoenix
Ok well you don’t even need green stuff to enjoy heresy
upper sun
but shiney
zinc phoenix
Don’t worry about the gear, just get good at dodging
upper sun
yeah thats the main reason people die in lower levels
onyx sentinel
i literally leveled my ogryn at T4 with whites lmao, you don't need "good" gear at that level
zinc phoenix
Not being where the disabler is and not walking forward into bad tactical situation is like 99% of survivability
upper sun
whats also really annoying having to deal with gear at levels below 20 too which also makes leveling new chars very annoying
tribal sparrow
whats also really annoying having to deal with gear at levels below 20 too which...
I found it entertaining
using what you get given and just making it work
lethal lagoon
(I also enjoy "smurfing")
upper sun
not so fun when you're hitting 4 maulers with a brick
lethal lagoon
All the chars were a joy to level from my perspective, even the first.
upper sun
not ogryn
tribal sparrow
All the chars were a joy to level from my perspective, even the first.
yaaaasssss!!!! i low key disliked the 25-30 grind tho 👀
lethal lagoon
yaaaasssss!!!! i low key disliked the 25-30 grind tho 👀
Yeah, the gap between t3-t5 is unpleasent, but it's like that for a lot of games.
Ogryn atm is fun from like level 5 when you unlock toughness from heavies
Just go brr
upper sun
idk i feel like i do zero melee damage
my psyker can one shot this why arent i playing that
tribal sparrow
Just go brr
YASSSS!!!!! ive been lvling my 2nd ogrin i will say i am defs having more fun the second time round playing around a lot more with the points
lethal lagoon
idk i feel like i do zero melee damage
🤷♂️ I dunno what to say to that except maybe try to use the healthbars mod to get a sense of your damage?
upper sun
I cant use mods i stream the game
lethal lagoon
Ah
zinc phoenix
I don’t use mods because it’s dangerously cheesy
Emprah wanted me to know the health of my enemy he’d tell me
tribal sparrow
I don’t use mods because it’s dangerously cheesy
im just too lazy 😔 ✊
upper sun
nah late this year or so if i get a decent enough pc im modding the fuck out of the game
lethal lagoon
I'd normally agree with you, but I've recently played all mods off and it made 0 difference. Healthbars are like training wheels, you can take them off and never notice once you've learned to ride the bike.
upper sun
UI book finder and health bars
idc if its cheating whos gonna report me? the heretics?
tribal sparrow
what do healthbars do?
lethal lagoon
Like the pysch but in game
upper sun
show you the health bar of the enemy you're attacking like in meatgrinder
distance one is also nice
lethal lagoon
You can control which enemies show em too
tribal sparrow
but just hit till die no need to know how healthy they are smh
upper sun
the sniper is just 0-1
zinc phoenix
It’s more important to me that health bars and ish ruin the spooky atmosphere
upper sun
the game also has a "wound" system for the enemies it shows how hurt they are on their bodies
but you kinda need a 4090 to REALLY see it
zinc phoenix
Like what’s the point of lights out mode if you can see everything anyway
One thing i would mod out is monstrosity health bars
upper sun
i want information I NEED visual clutter my brain is too fried
better yet subway surfers mod
zinc phoenix
Use the Schwartz
tribal sparrow
i personaly prefer games more when things dont have HP bars becuase then i dont focus on melting them
idk just me probs XD
upper sun
I started playing darktide right after cyberpunk and starfield the empty UI just feels weird to me
tribal sparrow
I started playing darktide right after cyberpunk and starfield the empty UI just...
ahhhhh that makes sense
upper sun
really wish someone told me about darktide before i got starfield tho
tulip umbra
DAMN YOU TZEENTCH AND SLANNESH
upper sun
F
zinc phoenix
really wish someone told me about darktide before i got starfield tho
Built enormous flying teal peen, Starfield/10
hearty oak
It’s more important to me that health bars and ish ruin the spooky atmosphere
The game has a spooky atmosphere? 
upper sun
Built enormous flying teal peen, Starfield/10
man after that game i legit filtered bethesda from my steam
zinc phoenix
The game has a spooky atmosphere? <a:HUH:997866941056303135>
Look man when it’s pitch black and ragers are coming from all sides I am sweating
And suitably spooked
hearty oak
Lethal company has a creepy atmosphere. Darktide has me more scared of my brainlet teammates blowing a barrel and sending all of us off a cliff
When that crusher groaning in your ears
upper sun
Lethal company has a creepy atmosphere. Darktide has me more scared of my brainl...
if you stand on a barrel and blow it up u fly tho and(dont take too much damage)
cunning plinth
question, should i only ever really use disrupt destiny in a gunker build or do people also run it with a void/surge staff and or assail
it "reads" like it should work well
but im unsure how much im relying on the cd reduction for fire psychic shriek and the peril generation reduction from the warpcharges
lets say void actually, not surge
lethal lagoon
DD is fun and unique, so it's worth experimenting with.
Lots of people run it with Voidstrike anyways.
cunning plinth
ill swap a void as soon as i get a decent staff, rn my only 2 good ranged weapons are fire and lightning staff
latent hill
I’m guessing fire frenzy works well with dumdum?
flint aspen
first level 30 staff reward
regal jasper
DAMN YOU TZEENTCH AND SLANNESH
I think id quit the game after that ngl
flint aspen
DAMN YOU TZEENTCH AND SLANNESH
warp battery is horrible I agree
near wyvern
question, should i only ever really use disrupt destiny in a gunker build or do ...
For staves, void is the only one where you can consider running DD. It greatly benefits from all it offers:
- highlights for easier headshots
- highlights for increased awareness
- toughness gain on ranged fights
- extra weakspot damage from stacks
- extra crit damage from stacks
upper sun
and from melk's
blessings are shared in the account right?
flint aspen
no idea
spice veldt
ye
zenith vigil
fellow big brains, I want to try a flamer staff, what blessing/perk should I find?
dawn spoke
warp nexus + warp flurry
make sure it has at least 76% in the burn stat
damage is way less important than having 76% burn
zenith vigil
so run n gun to nexus. how about perk? 😄
slow cloak
id replace one of those with crit chance
zenith vigil
+10% ranged crit chance right?
slow cloak
crit chance only goes up to 5%, make sure youre not mixing it up with crit damage
plucky flax
I'd go flak since purga only hit torso similar to surge and trauma.
And there are a lot of flak chest enemies.
lone fractal
hadron looking away in SHAME for DESTROYING this gift of the omnissiah
plucky flax
I'd put dumdum and flak and it usable.
Dumdum is most important part for infantry autogun.
lone fractal
just changed to my ogryn to i can't check, whats dumdum?
plucky flax
A blessing
lone fractal
yeah but which one
plucky flax
Ye
paper loom
Anyone else get horrible lag spikes in Auric? I'm running 3080 R7 3700x with 32gb 3200 ram
zenith vigil
same. no idea why then
I used to be able to play ~50 fps on a rtx 2070, without stutter or frame spike
plucky flax
I always lag
paper loom
Weird I've noticed it last 2 days cost me a game a min ago when screen dropped to 1fps when crushers appeared
No other game does this , I rum Rust on very high settings with zero issues
And that lags for everyone
zenith vigil
maybe some optimizing problem hitting you
plucky flax
This game is just shite optimisation
paper loom
Yea must be, annoying
rigid sky
Siblings, a question
smash or pass?
Atheneum suggests smash because crit and shred, plus 377. It however also suggests pass, because only shred II, and damage is 64%.
It appears to have quite a wide range on its damage score
It would be a Melk weapon so it does come at a cost.
plucky flax
@lethal lagoon I made it public anyway for memes xd
https://youtu.be/dJ-bMEwvcxw
sinful tinsel
How bad of an idea is using Scrier on a force sword & staff psyker?
rigid sky
smash or pass?
This thing's making me anxious just sitting in the shop lol, I've been wanting to try a devil's claw for ages
sinful tinsel
I would say smash?
rigid sky
How bad of an idea is using Scrier on a force sword & staff psyker?
do you like succumbing to the perils of the warp?
sinful tinsel
Depends on what chained hits means
rigid sky
Atheneum says that Shred is the #2 blessing for Devil's Claw
sinful tinsel
do you like succumbing to the perils of the warp?
I mean not necessarily but I'm good at unchained in verm
rigid sky
Good for anything less than Carapace apparently, single or multi
I just want to make sure this isn't missing a breakpoint that makes it much worse
In principle I want it, but I don't know if I want it more than holding onto 2380 melkbux
plucky flax
Hrm it'd cleave but not as much with shred+rampage.
hearty oak
<@1001693431300636764> I made it public anyway for memes xd
https://youtu.be/dJ-...
When's the sedition video
plucky flax
hearty oak
plucky flax
It's there.
hearty oak
All I see is histg and auric maels 
plucky flax
I'm not that good.
Although I've been toying with a knife + vraks 7 on vet.
Running stealth.
hearty oak
Knife on vet isn't the worst thing. Just feels like it wants to be zealot but not
hearty oak
I use stealth just to power up and get to backstabbing elites. Not having the crit chance like zealot does hurts though
plucky flax
Because the vraks 7 ain't doing any monster damage.
Oh I spec on the right side vet tree.
Crit chance on dodge stacking to 5 times is decent.
And +10 melee crit chance and +10% melee speed.
hearty oak
Try the columns. Unless you are trying to avoid it
plucky flax
Yeah.
It's too OP I'd just use it for most of the map.
That's why I use the Scar-H aka vraks 7.
For memes.
radiant frigate
devil's claw makes me sad
untold niche
ill swap a void as soon as i get a decent staff, rn my only 2 good ranged weapon...
yes yes one more void user
ping me if u need void help
untold niche
Dude the amount of people i see in auric mael with garbage weapons is crazy
i see people with god tier builds but can't dodge / shove
untold niche
New to psyker. Can you do an Assail build and use it as your main weapon? It's f...
can while levelling.
Force stave only fun after level 30 AND you build it proper
I suggest while levelling, follow pygex's levelling build. should now be in the Atheneum (psyker guide in the pins)
stave psyker very very build dependent
untold niche
i was sweating
think build issue
if you know how to do all the basic stuff t5 shouldn't be hard at all with a serviceable build
Also you played for 200 hours which is roughly the same amount i did
upper sun
think build issue
if you know how to do all the basic stuff t5 shouldn't be hard...
nah its fine i just dont like having to focus on dodging everything when i can just bunny hop like an idiot
untold niche
I think jumping against trappers / doggies / snipers not reliable
plucky flax
Complete 1 mission without players death but they still died.
Even in low intensity.
upper sun
this is why you do t2 for no deaths
untold niche
The only class that I think has a chance of that is oggie
upper sun
the funniest shit i had 16 books once +6 no deaths
plucky flax
I was playing stealth vet to ress people.
untold niche
but yeah this is why like being stupid in t3s
Quite simple to just dodge instead of jump though. You just gimping yourself ;-;
upper sun
and i was asking nicely for people to pick up books some guy offered to private with me so we both find books
and some random dude joined the squad
and kept dying every mission
untold niche
No since you rely on your teammates too.
Cc everything with rumbler. Taunt for safety. Stagger with shield.
Ez
upper sun
i got 16 books before the no player deaths
untold niche
Or play smite but that's against the law
plucky flax
untold niche
We are law abiding citizens here.
upper sun
Quite simple to just dodge instead of jump though. You just gimping yourself ;-;
"payphone blasting in the background while i play skipfrog with dogs"
no
untold niche
As long as you are still having fun
I think other than the game getting repetitive. What really sealed the deal was the +3 vet that couldn't dodge dogs.
On a5mael
They should have you run solo with three bots to get qualified for a4
A5
upper sun
||you should be able to play with bots if you want||
untold niche
Yeah you can with mods but I rather play with real players that are decent
upper sun
yeah but you dont earn materials
untold niche
You can even play solo. But the game gets very very different
upper sun
and besides that mods make xbox players feel bad
rigid sky
smash or pass?
I ended up buying this Devil's Claw. Am I stupid?
harsh urchin
yes
upper sun
theres no harm in buying any weapon you see with a rating above 375
its most likely usable at the least
and who knows maybe 5 years from now theyll buff it 🙂
viral flare
i feel like whenever i play gun psyker i'm just doing half as well as i could lol
so much less toughness regen
hearty oak
||you should be able to play with bots if you want||
Yeah but that requires the devs to put any effort into making a proper Ai
upper sun
im perfectly happy with the stupid ai that rides my "staff" 24/7
hearty oak
Id prefer an Ai that doesnt go down in the first 5 mins of fighting. Insert L4D2 comparison here
upper sun
i will simply save them
i just want meatshields or something to draw aggro once or twice
harsh urchin
Yeah but that requires the devs to put any effort into making a proper Ai
this is the same reason
AI in strategy video games are usually terrible
because improved AI is usually terrible ROI
for the dev team
making improved AI for either allies or enemy doesn't actually make the game better
upper sun
wellll they're either terrible or they headshot everything in a 500m range
harsh urchin
the way more dev time into content does
so most games tend to just overstat their AI, or just balance around the AI being terrible
hearty oak
AI in strategy video games are usually terrible
This isnt a strategy game though. This is a co-op horde game
harsh urchin
right, but riddle me this
would you rather the dev team spend time
making a new class
or making the AI better
harsh urchin
it's much easier to just give them 300% health and make them immune to bombers/flamers
umbral helm
hearty oak
With the online co-op tag in the steam store and it being mainly focused on having real players play together, i dont expect bots to swing in and help
upper sun
someone buy them an A100 graphics card and have them train an AI to play the game the bots will work then
opaque charm
My version of Gunpsyker has lots of toughness gain 😵💫
I need a new build
Something crazy
hearty oak
it's much easier to just give them 300% health and make them immune to bombers/f...
300% more heal- i mean... brains!
feral verge
@spice veldt reminder: not quite fond of you
vocal cliff
Arco:
opaque charm
Someone come up with a Gunpsyker build that doesn't use the obviously broken OP Columns I'll wait 😭
hearty oak
Someone come up with a Gunpsyker build that doesn't use the obviously broken OP ...
revolver
opaque charm
Yeah revolver/Fanning Revolver and Assail. I already use it heh.
I am sad Psyker only has two guns that can damage crushers
hearty oak
sciers gaze with bolter/assail
opaque charm
And on top of that I'm sad BB is trash
We can't use Bolter
Arms weak, mom's spaghetti
hearty oak
Weak psyker arms cant carry a big gun
upper sun
we can use bolters?
hearty oak
Im still up for BB being a multilock ability
spice veldt
<@297182781346152448> reminder: not quite fond of you
i'm glad that you think of me so often
rigid sky
and who knows maybe 5 years from now theyll buff it 🙂
I'm not worried about it being a Devil's Claw IV, I'm worried about its stats not being good enough to be worth it
damage is not a dump stat
hearty oak
And on top of that I'm sad BB is trash
Make BB have 5 charges. Look at enemies while charging, the longer you look at a target, the more charges you will use on them. 2 charges to kill a gunner, 3 to kill a crusher
take like 3.5 seconds to get charges back or something
hearty oak
Don't consecrate it. For the horrors Hadron will reek on your hopes and dreams
indigo portal
@near wyvern Out of curiosity, is there a reason the power value for soulblaze is listed as 500 x 0.5 instead of just 250? Would standard burn be labelled as 500 x 0.8?
sharp shoal
I also got a 379 grey dagger
hearty oak
instant trash
sharp shoal
Why trash
hearty oak
That's the point of it
sharp shoal
Lol
rigid sky
And on top of that I'm sad BB is trash
Brain Rupture is great, idk what you are talking about
So versatile
opaque charm
It takes too long and does too little damage
plucky flax
rigid sky
Playstyle issue imo.
opaque charm
Difficulty issue maybe, it's not useful in Auric Damnation
rigid sky
It kills stuff that Assail can't and it has a better path
rigid sky
Difficulty issue maybe, it's not useful in Auric Damnation
Disagree.
I use it in auric maelstrom all the time and it does work
rigid sky
For example, blazing trauma / deimos / shield dome / enhanced psionics
opaque charm
I think I used bb 3 times in my duo auric maelstrom earlier today.
Sounds like it won you that round
rigid sky
Take the faster charge after using F node
opaque charm
Yeah let's waste our keystone so after we use BB 3 times to kill a crusher, the next time it only takes 2 BB!
rigid sky
Crushers are only part of it
opaque charm
Crushers, Reapers, maulers, Bulwarks
How many BB to kill them? 2 or 3 and that's cool and all
But other than those targets you can kill things with Assail much faster
plucky flax
Sounds like it won you that round
Actually did.
fresh reef
Should I reinstall Darktide? Any new stuff since like, early December?
rigid sky
It also staggers them and makes their shield drop for Bulwark
rigid sky
As I said I think this is a playstyle thing
opaque charm
Yeah Assail can stagger and shield drop a bulwarks too
plucky flax
BB was op here
rigid sky
You find the other stuff more effective. I personally cannot make Surge Staff work.
I know it's great but I can't get to grips with it
Assail denies you Psychinetic Aura too
It's not trash but it is awkward, I will grant that.
opaque charm
Psychinetic Aura doesn't make BB good
rigid sky
Actually, more pointedly, I dislike Assail tbh. I recognise that it is strong but outside of gun psyker I just can't seem to make it fit for me.
That said I see others using it very well
But I'm more effective generally with brain rupture
opaque charm
What ranged weapon are you using
rigid sky
The build I'm talking about uses Trauma with Blaze
It also uses the Dome which gives me time to drop some brain ruptures
Although staff LMB might actually work just as well some of the time
opaque charm
Yeah Trauma kills Crushers and Bulwarks + maulers
I'm not sure what the BB is doing for you
If you take Assail you could kill all the gunners and wouldn't need shield
rigid sky
From my experience with Assail I would totally find ways to screw that up.
I'm able to clear trash with my Trauma very efficiently too
And I know this will make you cringe
But it also gives me access
To everybody's favourite
wIlDfIrE!
split oxide
I find Psyker is terrible with anything with the word 'pack' in it.
RagerPack, CrusherPack, GunnerPack
god forbid; MonstrosityPack
rigid sky
Which I am aware pretty much instantly discredits me
opaque charm
Wildfire is indeed trash lol
rigid sky
It seems to be better than I would expect for trauma Blaze specifically
It's trash for Purgatus, I agree
Blaze Trauma, It's enough to cut out one trauma blast a lot of the time it seems. Maybe just a placebo.
I should try a game without it and see if it works better for me, but brain rupture isn't bad at all. It's not even that slow if you're under one of the effects that speed it up.
I also like it for Mutants - it won't one-shot them, but if somebody else shoots them too it's very solid at comboing with somebody else.
opaque charm
Yeah but sacrificing your keystone when you already have a weapon that kills what BB kills is kinda strange to me
Just dodge and melee
rigid sky
I guess it comes down to, it's workable even if it's less good, and I'm a good enough Psyker that I don't feel the handicap much at this point
Idk. It feels better than the numbers make it out to be.
I think a lot of this game is down to styles and what works for whom.
I find Rupture very easy to create windows for and to target
I use it a lot more than most do and it just seems to work.
split oxide
I'm a good enough psyker too .. but why do I have to be?
- It feels like I have to 'overperform' just to do what I would do with other classes easier.
DS, Helbores, Chswords/Evisc, Shovel19s make the job so much easier.
opaque charm
It's harder to be a Psyker, but the reward
rigid sky
I'm a good enough psyker too .. but why do I *have* to be?
- It feels like I hav...
Maybe you just like Psyker
split oxide
Maybe you just like Psyker
I like psyker, but I have to pay a price for it.
rigid sky
I like psyker, but I have to pay a price for it.
The price is part of the joy
split oxide
instead of revolver, ciag or plasma
melee instead of bullets, even with mutiepacks.
(easiest if you have a wall near you, but not necessary)
spice veldt
just lacking a single-target force staff that's analogous to a gun is the glaring flaw that sticks out to me
tulip kettle
BB was op here <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
BB on monstrosities being useful? No way man i heard its trash
tawny pebble
Given the high base crit rate of the Surge staff, and Warp Nexus being one of the only viable blessings, is +10% crit damage better than crit chance?
tulip kettle
100k boss dmg not even worth taking it
plucky flax
I actually didn't use bb once on monsters that round.
plucky flax
All from trauma, soulblaze and mk4 stabby.
spice veldt
i want my laser staff
tulip kettle
I actually didn't use bb once on monsters that round. <:whatthefuck_heresy:10497...
wtf
my trauma seems so bad against monstrosities
DS4 on the other hand... fair enough
teach me the ways of using blazing trauma to kill monsters plz
rigid sky
I do like BR for monsters too
It's slower than a good melee for them but it's also totally safe
And reliable and consistent
You can easily just keep shitting out 97% peril headaches
indigo portal
just lacking a single-target force staff that's analogous to a gun is the glarin...
mmm best FS will do is the ranged equivalent to a chainsword sorry 
spice veldt
:(
indigo portal
They'll see the numbers of a hitscan psyker gun that has unlimited ammo and nerf it into the ground out of fear
They fear what could be
spice veldt
we shall rule the world once we have warp single-target DPS
perfect timing + malefic momentum
indigo portal
cough ignore survivalist giving that same thing to most weapons cough
spice veldt
the staff psyker pocketing the ammo in the background
indigo portal
lmao
indigo portal
y'know if anything survialist should be on Psyker if they use a staff
lunar hollow
the staff psyker pocketing the ammo in the background
me grabbing all the ammo crate charges to refill assail
spice veldt
mmm refund ammo on some conditional kill to teammates?
indigo portal
spice veldt
highly deranged suggestion
indigo portal
mmm refund ammo on some conditional kill to teammates?
yeah in a way
ideally it gets removed though
survivalist not ammo
spice veldt
yeah, aim a bullet right in its kneecaps
tulip kettle
Can i get some thoughts, which of these would you all use? assuming i put flurry 4 on the left one
rigid sky
just lacking a single-target force staff that's analogous to a gun is the glarin...
Surge Staff is a little bit like an Agripinaa Shotgun, Purgatus is a lot like a Flamer, and Voidstrike is like a stoned plasma gun.
spice veldt
i'd personally use the right one cuz i like my quell speed
rigid sky
And Trauma is WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
spice veldt
as long as you only need to quell two ticks to get a full cast from 100% peril
then it's whatevs
spice veldt
Surge Staff is a little bit like an Agripinaa Shotgun, Purgatus is a lot like a ...
the pills have gotten to you
indigo portal
Surge Staff is a little bit like an Agripinaa Shotgun, Purgatus is a lot like a ...
Surge staff has nothing on Agri Shotgun let's be clear here.
fading wedge
I’ve been really enjoying playing Assail, Surge, Illisi, DD, and Venting Shriek
spice veldt
i used to prefer having quell speed since i had a significant source of peril gen from my blitz and melee (since I was running illisi before patch 13), but i don't know how that reasoning holds up nowadays
indigo portal
Agri Railgun is a far away fantasy of Psyker and I hope it stays that way 
spice veldt
zealot gets the good stuff 😔
indigo portal
It's literally on vet
spice veldt
oh i thought this was referring to the more kitchen variety of the railgun
indigo portal
zel and vet each have their pros and cons with agri railgun
vet wins with lawby though I've seen josho use that thing
spice veldt
where did josho touch the lawbringer
indigo portal
where did josho touch the lawbringer
It was a bit ago he did like Man-Stopper + Flechette and wiped anything that came in a group of 4+
It was super meme-y though but it was funny to watch
spice veldt
the blazing trauma of shotguns
indigo portal
also arco
spice veldt
thats my name
indigo portal
if shotgun gets added to psyker smite will be the best source of No Respite damage in the game afaik
indigo portal
because it's not like stuns on zealot where it resets randomly
plucky flax
teach me the ways of using blazing trauma to kill monsters plz
Get 6 soul blaze then press f for 12 stacks. Then melee or whatever.
indigo portal
it just stacks a bunch of stagger lol
dense bear
what weapons do you guys typically pair with an assail, venting shriek build?
plucky flax
if it's bonbon you can just right click trauma on it.
spice veldt
does it stack with no limit?
rigid sky
what weapons do you guys typically pair with an assail, venting shriek build?
Huh, that's like the opposite approach to what I take. I like to pick the weapons then make a build on it
indigo portal
does it stack with no limit?
Yeah it just keeps going, No Respite though caps at 7 stacks on shotgun last I checked
spice veldt
shame
dense bear
Huh, that's like the opposite approach to what I take. I like to pick the weapon...
class flavor and then what functions best with it for me lol
rigid sky
I feel like Purgatus is a good pair for that
indigo portal
but on like every elite you can hit the cap in a second or two
spice veldt
i was thinking of two smite psykers that would keep a crusher continuously staggered until you got 1000 stacks and then you oneshot them with a no respite shotty
rigid sky
Assail covers for your lack of ranged with Purgatus I guess? Although I usually take Brain Rupture because I'm a weirdo
plucky flax
what weapons do you guys typically pair with an assail, venting shriek build?
Voidstrike for me.
tulip kettle
what weapons do you guys typically pair with an assail, venting shriek build?
look at the weaknesses you have. with assail you have the ability to thin hordes and kill snipers/gunners. So you can get away with a shorter ranged gun. Between your melee and gun you need to take care of hordes, melee elites and specials
indigo portal
i was thinking of two smite psykers that would keep a crusher continuously stagg...
if you can sustain the stagger a bit, the shout will work, you should be able to chunk the hell out of them with a kant if you have NR that high
plucky flax
Void or guns.
rigid sky
Voidstrike for me.
oh yeah, that's a great pairing
indigo portal
like at 7 stacks
kind sequoia
You can't explode while on Scrier's Gaze, right?
rigid sky
You can't explode while on Scrier's Gaze, right?
think you can if you cast again
spice veldt
if you can sustain the stagger a bit, the shout will work, you should be able to...
hmmmmm
plucky flax
Yeah void for elites and ogryns. Assails for specials and horde clear.
rigid sky
have blown myself up with assail under gaze too much
dense bear
look at the weaknesses you have. with assail you have the ability to thin hordes...
fair, good way to look at it. overthinking cuz new and used to zealot, appreciate it
dense bear
Voidstrike for me.
imma give it a try ty!
tulip kettle
imma give it a try ty!
voidstrike is great because its the staff that does everything well. because its a pretty balanced range weapon you can get away with whatever melee makes you comfortable. Though i would recommend avoiding the obscuras force sword cos its poop
dense bear
siiiiick, appreciate it, trying assail back out after using smite and BB a ton, was pairing it with warp siphon but not sure if thats just me being used to it
rigid sky
voidstrike is great because its the staff that does everything well. because its...
Is it really poop now? I know it's definitely the worst of the force swords but is it full on poop?
rigid sky
like, tac axe poop? bad recon poop?
tulip kettle
so imo, poop
plucky flax
Yeah the upper cut man. You can't hit head with that.
spice veldt
it still has force sword stats so the obscurus is a fine weapon
but yeah i hate the 2nd light so much
upper sun
obscurus is the only force sword i feel zero guild for surrendering to hadron
indigo portal
it still has force sword stats so the obscurus is a fine weapon
what's the combo like, light heavy block cancel or some dumb shit right?
spice veldt
yeah that
any combo where the second attack isn't a light
i really do wish the push-attacks were offensive and then they could've diversified the moveset with that
indigo portal
Could make it weapon specific to add depth to weapon identity.
spice veldt
yeah like what the pswords got going on or something
we should make every melee weapon pswords
lunar hollow
make the obscurus push attack a stab but like a taxe u flip the weapon around
so ur holding the blade
and u hit them with the handle
tulip kettle
OR
hear me out
obscuras special "end them rightly"
functions similar to ogryns rock but single use and you retrieve the pommel after 2 seconds with telekinesis
maybe i never noticed before
do all flashlight weapons have a battery indicator? is it new?
radiant frigate
obscuras special "end them rightly"
assail (big fucking rock edition)
radiant frigate
if by flashlight you mean lasguns, yes
tulip kettle
that's from the weapon customization mod if so
yeah i reinstalled the latest release through nexus and saw it enabled it
but it made me wonder
do they all have a battery level? even without the mod? whats the point of having a battery indicator if its non functional? Or, if it is functional with the mod only, why would you have it enabled?
spice veldt
for the roleplaying element probably
the weapon customization mod has some other bells and whistles like showing the weapons that players have as holstered on their back/side and all that cosmetic stuff as well
at least, i'm pretty sure i've just left my flashlight on and it stayed on until i remembered it existed
near wyvern
<@345531303942291457> Out of curiosity, is there a reason the power value for so...
That's how it is within the game files. Dots are defined as a portion of 'base' attack power which seems to be a magic number of 500
indigo portal
That's how it is within the game files. Dots are defined as a portion of 'base' ...
The damage templates override that from what I see, burn has a base of 400, warp fire has a base of 250, and bleed has a base of 175.
I double checked to see if that's what it actually is and all three of them line up with that variable.
long wharf
just seeing "burninating" there makes my eye twitch
indigo portal
just seeing "burninating" there makes my eye twitch
Some of zealot's stealth related options are labelled with stab_guy
long wharf
sigh.
near wyvern
The damage templates override that from what I see, burn has a base of 400, warp...
They have changed the code since then
long wharf
I have the source repo open in a tab right now, what're you guys looking into?
near wyvern
I have the source repo open in a tab right now, what're you guys looking into?
Nah they just asked why base damage for soulblaze is defined as 500*0.5 and not 250 in Atheneum
indigo portal
They have changed the code since then
What do you mean? Same file is where the adms for the dots are located + numbers line up.
radiant frigate
just seeing "burninating" there makes my eye twitch
are you a shell-shocked resident of a thatch-roofed cottage
near wyvern
The last time I checked (many patches ago) it was defined as 500 and then burn and soulblaze based off from that
Ultimately it doesn't matter as the value is the same
long wharf
are you a shell-shocked resident of a thatch-roofed cottage
is this a reference to something?
near wyvern
Could simplify the formula since they have made it simplinating in the code
long wharf
Could simplify the formula since they have made it simplinating in the code
twitch
near wyvern
paper lily
aint no way u never seen trogdor
long wharf
apparently not
long wharf
oh god, Homestar Runner
paper lily
perhaps the countryside
long wharf
I hated that so much
paper lily
didn't need to know homestar runner to know trogdor though
long wharf
I recognize the monster as popping up everywhere
forgot "burninator" was related to it
here's an interesting nugget, though - the Strong Bad Email #58 episode has 3.2 million views on Youtube
that sounds like a lot, but it's been on Youtube for 12 years
3.2 million views in 12 years is an average of 730 views a day
that's nothing a successful Youtuber would be bragging about, today
radiant frigate
considering that most people probably watch a video once and then never again
that number, over 10+ years, isn't saying much
long wharf
well, my point was more a comment on just how much larger the general internet audience is today than it was 12 years ago
long wharf
you'll live
long wharf
that's what perils of the warp should be
hearty oak
Yeah but BB is up to bat and needs a win
long wharf
psyker disintegrates and a demon spawns that wipes not just the other players but all enemies as well
upper sun
no psyker reincarnates as a saint with double the peril limit 4 times the vent range and assail now launches spears
long wharf
not gonna lie, mind-thrown spears that can impale multiple enemies sounds pretty cool
in fact, that's what special attack with assail should be
you combine all your shards into a single shard-javelin
and it has cleave based on the number of shards you had when forming it, ranging from a minimum of, say, 3 to a max of 40
and the javelin is armor piercing
long wharf
don't care
now I want to pin two crushers to each other and a wall
that'd be worth using 10 shards at once
no arc, no guidance, just a rag-doll-grabbing straight shot
hearty oak
Im wondering if they will introduce some sort of item that you can equip that changes abilities and talents to act a different way
upper sun
nah prolly not
idk why they would change the classes again so soon after the class overhall
prolly new maps or new weapons
tulip kettle
if they dont add at least 1 repair and 1 investigation mission
they officially have no fucking clue what they are doing
harsh urchin
new maps would be nice, but not sure if i would prio it
i think my top priorities is scav/ammo rework and crafting rework
the former completely shifts the resource management of the harder difficulties and forces everybody to play differently
the latter would preferably simplify the existing blessing/perk system and give people a different system to grind towards
tulip kettle
idk, i think its stupid that they added a bunch of maps and mission, with scanner parts no less, but they didnt add either of those types. Its like they forgot they exist and made eveything "disruption mission"
hearty oak
if they dont add at least 1 repair and 1 investigation mission
Strangely enough, the mission where you got into the archives feels more like an investigation mission even plays like it
tulip kettle
precisely
long wharf
they officially have no fucking clue what they are doing
this is true regardless of whatever else they add
long wharf
I thought for sure the archivum sycorax mission was an investigation
hearty oak
Alright, the "strike" mission where you got to restart a furnace should be a repair mission as well
long wharf
that's why I thought we had 2 investigation missions
upper sun
they officially have no fucking clue what they are doing
I want something different why cant they add a new mission type or new secondary objectives instead of BOOKS
like kill 2 extra waves
hearty oak
I want something different why cant they add a new mission type or new secondary...
Cause game development is hard
upper sun
or avoid operatives dying
tulip kettle
they dont need a new mission type, they need to add more of the 2 above, and change sychorax to investigation
long wharf
FartShack needs to figure out a way to make the secondary objectives worthwhile before adding more
tulip kettle
and the one where you put the cryo rods back in is repair again, clearly
upper sun
Cause game development is hard
they just have 7 breaks a work day theyre not bad just very unproductive
bold badger
they just have 7 breaks a work day theyre not bad just very unproductive
don't forget the month long holidays every few weeks.
long wharf
game development being difficult has nothing to do with the general incompetency at FartShack
upper sun
COFFEE JA SVEN VI HABEN KOFFE
long wharf
game development can be incredibly difficult
upper sun
think of this 7 times a day
long wharf
FartShack wouldn't know.
upper sun
game development can be incredibly difficult
not when every company outsources everything to sweatshops
long wharf
... that's an incredibly ignorant take
hearty oak
and the one where you put the cryo rods back in is repair again, clearly
No no, smelter complex. where you have to kill some shit to get the smelter going again. Is that not by definition a repair mission?
tulip kettle
put cryorods back in on power matrix : repair
fix the smelter, by you know, fixing it : strike
apparently
upper sun
... that's an incredibly ignorant take
its harder to make good games that perform well and dont have bugs
but no one does that anymore
tulip kettle
like i say, it genuinely feels like they just forgot repair and investigation exists
long wharf
what do you mean "anymore"?
game development has never been about "having no bugs"
no game has ever been released without bugs
upper sun
cmon
tulip kettle
idk dude,
tulip kettle
take his argument in good faith
back when you buy ps1 games, gamesa dont ship with game breaking bugs
long wharf
and if you think that "games used to be released in more or less complete states", boy do I have some stories for you
tulip kettle
and if they do they are considered trash and slated
tulip kettle
right dude, but at the same time
long wharf
we have more notable examples these days because of the memory of the internet
tulip kettle
the general rule, and expectation, was that games would not ship with major bugs
hearty oak
Aight, another one. Going into the water purifier to get the thing working again. To purify water. Sounds like repairing to me
long wharf
but back in Atari/Commodore days, it was sometimes a crapshoot as to whether the game-on-cartridge you were buying was not only fun but completable
hearty dagger
Hello psyker chat
long wharf
the term "shovelware" didn't pop into existence 10 years ago
it's been around for decades
hearty dagger
I am hearing voices telling me to put 20 kg ice bag in the deep frier
Should i listen to them?
long wharf
yes
tulip kettle
do it
hearty dagger
They are making a very compelling arguement
hearty oak
YES
upper sun
I am hearing voices telling me to put 20 kg ice bag in the deep frier
YES YES WARP USE SANCTIONED
tulip kettle
i only have minor scarring from ice cube fights working at mcdonalds
its character building
long wharf
so, my point is that any argument about how developers today are crap compared to "old school" devs is just plain ignorance
hearty dagger
I FEEL THE DEEP FRIER OVERTAKING ME
long wharf
I grew up in the early days of gaming
hearty dagger
IT IS A GOOD PAIN
tulip kettle
no dude, i disagree
upper sun
voiceposting is the best part of playing psyker
tulip kettle
ass u said
long wharf
all sorts of trash everywhere
tulip kettle
shovelwere is shovelwere
long wharf
we remember the good games because the devs put in the effort and care to make them good
that same effort exists today
tulip kettle
high quality games did not ship unplayable or uncompletable
these days its very normal for AAA developers to release broken buggy messes
long wharf
the only thing that has significantly changed is that gaming is now considered Big Business
mighty fractal
and if you think that "games used to be released in more or less complete states...
PREACH
just
long wharf
AAA studios can afford to put in AAA time and money to spit out generic, moderately-somewhat-unfun game that will make enough money to justify the cost of development
mighty fractal
fucking look at The Cutting Room Floor
SO much shit released with heaps of cut content back in the day
or countless gamebreaking bugs
long wharf
indie game development today mirrors early game development in the 80s
mighty fractal
standards in the industry have simply risen over time
tulip kettle
indie game development today mirrors early game development in the 80s
this i completely agree with
long wharf
not just in the industry
mighty fractal
- people can whine about it online more
long wharf
the consumers themselves have matured and wants/demands have grown with them
it's always been that way
mighty fractal
a lot of games made in the 80s and 90s were literally just teams of a few people working out of their house or a small office
yeah I was bundling that in with the general industry
long wharf
640x480 was mind blowing when we were used to 320x240 NTSC
mighty fractal
"Market" would be a more accurate term
long wharf
yep.
mighty fractal
wait until the kids learn about how Diablo 1 was planned to sell content packs at card/comic shops 90s devs capitalizing on the MTG craze made for some wild ideas