psyker-class

[tulip kettle]

or you cant just 1 stab them with your sword

[harsh urchin]

Idk man you can go play the game how u like

I just dont think bosses are big enough of a threat

To warrant using unyielding over flak maniac

[upper sun]

ok who blessed me with the god roll hammer?

can they please do that for a void or truama staff?

[quick python]

hadron licking her lips ready to give that +10% sprint efficiency and trauma II

[upper sun]

i swear to the emperor im gonna go to mars and teach them Maxwell's equations and completely destroy their entire society

[tulip kettle]

i mean

first target is not in any way the dump stat

[flint aspen]

this is weird

then again I did use the mk7 sapper shovel as vet and it also had a similar delay length so maybe this won't be too bad

[mighty olive]

I hate how long it takes to do the damage, and I hate how you're stuck in an animation lock, I can't use that sword xD

I swapped to duel or knife

[flint aspen]

its either this or illisi

which the latter is doing alright so far

[upper sun]

a heavy chainsword with 270 rating also does that

buffs when??? hello?!?!?!

[spice veldt]

you can also just l1 h2 on the deimos and ignore the special entirely except for some scenarios

[opaque charm]

Doesn't the lightning staff kill that rager too? Prolly stick with Illisi

[upper sun]

ye thats the issue as well the animation for demios is sooooooo long

[flint aspen]

the new level 25 surge I got rn fucks

[opaque charm]

Imo you wanna have your ranged kill armor and your melee kill hordes or visa versa

[stone canyon]

Just did 4 more trauma staffs to add to the pile of Blazing Spirit search (did another batch earlier today). The quest continues

[mighty olive]

Surge is good until aurics, then I feel it falls off a bit, not my favorite

[stone canyon]

I bet i wont even like it once i get it and do like 1 mission with it

[flint aspen]

I've paired it up with assali after one too many bad luck matches with smite and brain burst

trauma's weird

I don't know why brunt often gives me low damage modifiers for these force swords

[mighty olive]

Not a fan of trauma, but I loved sienna's conflag staff, I'm weird

Are you level 30?

[flint aspen]

26

[tulip kettle]

when your teamates all die and leave but you clutch it anyway

[flint aspen]

I have outpaced my ogryn by 4 levels

[tulip kettle]

yes my scoreboard is stripped back

[mighty olive]

Ahh okay, I'd hold till 30 if you can, you'll get higher level fodders

[tulip kettle]

i ran it for like the past 2 weeks
i went back to rending flurry today but with the same talent tree i was using for blaze, and rending one was just better.

[flint aspen]

I havent tried out the other force sword yet that isn't deimos or illisi

[mighty olive]

Like 360 and 370 item level grays

[flint aspen]

(who named the latter anyway)

[mighty olive]

And then the 400s begin

I loved the illisi 5 until I met dueling and knife, it's hard to go back to a slow weapon

[spice veldt]

the obscurus is a worse deimos so you're not missing much

[tulip kettle]

the biggest thing making the difference in blaze vs rend traumas is the fl;urry on rend increases your dps by so much more than the burning ever can

[flint aspen]

speaking of duel swords

still comically powerful

[upper sun]

20k

good deal

[opaque charm]

Replace with Fanning Revolver

[radiant frigate]

you can also just slap them with heavies

does just fine unpowered

[upper sun]

idk its pretty good if you wanna play support psyker and cc everything that moves

the stagger is a bit longer than smite and more targeted

[orchid shadow]

You can cancel the animation lock now by dodging.

[radiant frigate]

yeah but then you miss out on most of the damage

[orchid shadow]

Cancels the damage but at least you're not stuck if you need to move quickly

[radiant frigate]

but at least you don't die to overheads

[upper sun]

sigh

[tulip kettle]

reroll it

any contract that relies on others gets rerolled.

[misty cypress]

does stamina curio affect block if youre using kinetic deflection?

[spice veldt]

ye

kinetic deflection is 4x your max stamina

so suppose that you had 3 bars and a attack deals 1 bar of stamina damage, that would be 33% stamina damage and would translate into 33/4 = 8.25% peril

[flint aspen]

16 grimoires

[spice veldt]

if you had 6 bars and an attack deals 1 bar of stamina damage, that would be 16.66% stamina damage and would translate into 4.166% peril

[flint aspen]

my brother in the imperial palace

No one's sadistic enough to bring 16 grimoires

nor scriptures

[misty cypress]

so while there is an increase, is it worth it? I don't feel like stamina curio is worth on psyker if you have kinectic deflect. Id rather an extra health or tough curio

[spice veldt]

i personally don't see much value in taking stamina for blocking if you've already got KD, yeah

unless you want an easier time to tank a daemonhost but that's a niche scenario more than anything

[misty cypress]

i tried oops all toughness psyker and last night with most toughness and regen talents with 3 toughness curios, It was pretty solid. definetly beginner friendly

[dark stag]

Anyone can point me to what a good voidstrike should have?

[upper sun]

I already rerolled the scab ones and the monstrosities

[flint aspen]

Monstrosities isnt too bad compared to goddamn grimoires

[spice veldt]

yeah at least it happens naturally without you having to do anything out of your way

[long wharf]

I always go with monstrosities

[upper sun]

this is for my second char

i have no good gear

[flint aspen]

I'd rather fight a chaos spawn with a worn baseball bat over getting my health fucked just because some person is holding a grimoire

[upper sun]

im not hunting mons with this shit

[long wharf]

I like to find grims and then discard them

[upper sun]

I too love eating grimories

[flint aspen]

Or only one of us lugging around something useful and three of us just carrying some choir boy's diary

[tulip kettle]

i think its only right to destroy the grims when you find them

its thematic

and then give verbal abuse and accusaations of heresy to people who keep them

idk, the words of the emperor should be preserved wherever possible

but possesing articles of chaos is heresy.

[flint aspen]

Who at the mourningstar requested them to seize them in missions

[tulip kettle]

quick Q: is there any investigation missions other than dreyko?

getting kind of sick of playing dreyko everytime its on the board

[long wharf]

yes, there are two

[tulip kettle]

whats the other one? i swear i havent seen it in 4 days

of actively looking

[dark stag]

What blitz do you guys use with the voidstrike?

[prime elk]

Smite or assail would be best

[dark stag]

alr

I thought smite wouldn't be that good cuz void is good at horde clear or am I mistaken?

[stuck sinew]

With void I use smite as an "oh shit get away pls" button

Use it for a sec then release to knock back

[opaque charm]

If you are using DD keystone, Assail becomes god like

Just melt all non ogryn shooters

[stuck sinew]

Smite gets you CD reduction talent though I think, or is it the peril DMG reduction

[upper ridge]

guys what are good blessings for dueling sword?

never used that one

[stuck sinew]

Uncanny strike/Shred is what I run

[dark stag]

Is this trauma good?

[upper ridge]

and perks?

[stuck sinew]

Uncanny is probably the best one

Then basically anything that helps your crit/finesse

[upper ridge]

mk 2 or mk4?

[stuck sinew]

Pick your preference

[upper ridge]

i have 379 mk2 so ill use that probs

[stuck sinew]

MK4 is best for single target, MkII has slightly better horde clear

[upper sun]

I was 👌 this close to aggroing a demon host because someone said they liked chaos marines

[stuck sinew]

Mk V has a goofy dodge distance

[upper ridge]

and flak manic?

[stuck sinew]

Can't go wrong

[plucky flax]

I prefer maniac carapace.

[stuck sinew]

I think I have Infested on a couple of mine for hordes

Can stunlock anything till it dies regardless

[radiant frigate]

upon further inspection, disrupt destiny is alright

BUT

[radiant frigate]

it is damn hard to figure out who the hell blue man is if there's soulblaze on everything

[upper ridge]

So what should I change in it

[stuck sinew]

I would swap rampage

[upper ridge]

for shred?

[stuck sinew]

It's very hard/awkward to proc on DS

[upper ridge]

hm okay

[stuck sinew]

Shred is good

[upper ridge]

i have shred 4

guess flak carapace it is

played ilisi 5 for so long i forgot what to do with other psyker melees

[plucky flax]

Use rampage on ds4 in particular for okay horde clear.

[upper ridge]

thanks a lot

[plucky flax]

After push attack the light attack can cleave enough to keep proccing rampage.

[upper ridge]

I went with uncanny+shred

Should be good

[stuck sinew]

Rampage is damage though not power? Or is it mislabeled

[radiant frigate]

i played a game of ds4

ended up getting into a situation where illisi would have saved me

😔

[plucky flax]

It is power.

[upper ridge]

I mean, what can go wrong with those kind of 379 base+2x good blessings

[plucky flax]

It used to be damage, then got changed to power, though the tooltip never changed.

[stuck sinew]

Meh, it's a DS2 anyway

[upper ridge]

Being 750 hours into the game I still dunno a lot about psyker since it's my least played class

Surge staff is really fun tho

Zapping people and shit

[stuck sinew]

Good tip for DS2 (and all of the tbh) btw is if you need to single target you can immediately cancel your H1 when it lands with a special stab

Then H1 again

[upper ridge]

Oh, that's neat

[stuck sinew]

The special is so fast it's like an extra free hit that staggers everything

Not much damage

But again it's nearly instant

[upper ridge]

Cool shit
I wonder why only psykers get sabres

[stuck sinew]

DS vet/zealot would be cracked

[upper ridge]

It's like people on Reddit begging for ogryn to get a heavy bolter or plasma cannon to cosplay DA deathwing terminator

[radiant frigate]

not any more cracked than power sword

[stuck sinew]

Melee vet has the finesse boost talent and zealot is zealot

[upper ridge]

Must say I really dislike PS and pref chainsword or axes

[radiant frigate]

i only dislike ps in comparison to illisi

[upper ridge]

Ps makes you slow and sluggish

[idle plover]

What blessing should i try to have on autopistol

Trying to make axe scryers gaze set and i think having autopistol for hordes would be intresting

[flint aspen]

Are force swords just power swords for psykers?

[spice veldt]

i suppose

[idle plover]

They build peril when charged

Compared to power swords

And the special attack with charge is diffirent on some force swords

[plucky flax]

Illisi is really nice against horde and elites (not crusher)

[upper ridge]

Only 1 charged hit also

[plucky flax]

The special attack light is super fast. The special attack heavy does more damage and more cleave but a bit slower to come out.

And light spam with slaughterer alone shreds weaker chaffs.

[flint aspen]

Strange, I didn't like using power swords as vet as much

[plucky flax]

Aye I prefer the standard shovel.

That thing is based.

Or knife on all 3 human classes.

[flint aspen]

Psyker with a shovel when

I mean shit we used one in the prologue

[idle plover]

Force shovel

[upper sun]

die with a grimorie and fall through the map

[stuck sinew]

Weapon customisation mod

[idle plover]

Powermaul would be pretty rad

[rotund bolt]

What do you guys run on the rasheed mk 2? Wanna get a combat axe, just to try

kinda getting bored of the DS

[lyric burrow]

brutal momentum/decimator or headtaker

flaniac for perks

[tulip kettle]

why u be trollin tho

there is only 1 and its dreyko

[tulip kettle]

deserved, carry on

[plucky flax]

Keep in mind combat axe is very slow on psyker.

We don't have melee attack speed increase.

[steep estuary]

Mmmmm shiny

[rotund bolt]

saving for that one aswell, gotta goldmaxx

Is there a secret to Trauma staff? it just feels too slow on M2 to do enough

[steep estuary]

Honestly. I've seen worse

[harsh urchin]

there is. you need a 78-80% roll on charge rate

[unique mist]

Yeah and warp flurry

but trauma staff is awkward to use, I don't like it

Much prefer the others

[plucky flax]

It's really bad don't ever use it.

[stuck sinew]

The key to trauma is to become a left click gunner

The nexus/surge left click trauma meta is upon us siblings

(maybe not but it's really fun)

[opaque charm]

I've out damaged that build every time but if you must live in staff world it's a good staff

[mighty olive]

Hmm if we do get new staves, what power will it wield? 🤔

[opaque charm]

Telekinesis would be cool, probably impossible to implement

[tulip kettle]

a beam, i hope

[mighty olive]

Vermintide 2's elf had a staff that lifted whatever you targeted, it's possible

[opaque charm]

A staff that didn't require charging (but instead was fast to draw and use) would be very cool

[tulip kettle]

a staff with lmb that functions like an smg

or staff with lmb that functions like a shotgun

[opaque charm]

I was imagining something like the gravity gun at the end of Halflife 2, pick up enemies and throw them at other enemies

[stuck sinew]

Like bolt staff primary?

[mighty olive]

What about a snipe staff? Like sienna's bolt staff

[idle plover]

Beam staff

[tulip kettle]

now youre getting it

[opaque charm]

I don't know enough about V2

[mighty olive]

That would be neat, I'm sure they can do it!

[stuck sinew]

Bolt slightly overlaps Voidstrike I guess but it was like my favourite VT2 staff

[opaque charm]

But obviously things that are in V2 would be an easy option for FS

[tulip kettle]

just implement the stuff that already exists

it shouldnt be that hard

[idle plover]

Id love staff with charged ability that would blast assail shards above the charged zone

[tulip kettle]

oh like raining assail shards

you could do that as a cosmetic for trauma tbf, like a ball that gathers above the ground then explodes in assail shards

pretty cool

[mighty olive]

Raining shards or shard shotgun would be neat

[stuck sinew]

Or shard smg

[mighty olive]

Sienna had a left click that functioned like a shotgun, I loved it

[tulip kettle]

yup

and an smg

like, we gained surge, which is cool and all

[tulip kettle]

but why give all the staves the same lmb when there are other options

[frigid relic]

What do I change on this bros

Never tried the Las pistol

[tulip kettle]

change it to an xii.

[frigid relic]

Lol

[mighty olive]

I agree 100%, I was very sad when I found that out, having come from vermintide2

[frigid relic]

I got it as a reward

[tulip kettle]

if you want to keep it, you need to change both blerssings

the perks are okay so thats fine, fortunately

[stuck sinew]

Change a blessing to dum dum and carapace to something else

[tulip kettle]

but, its just useless against carapace anyway

precisely

i think the only way to make this laspistol good is with infernus

but its still doodoo

the mk12 is better

[frigid relic]

Mmm

[stuck sinew]

I feel like green las pistol is better personally

[prime elk]

Honestly infernus is kinda bad

[frigid relic]

Okay cool good to know

[tulip kettle]

agreed

but this laspistol is also kinda bad

[stuck sinew]

More spam, more crits if you want infernus/crit toughness

Dumdum stacks faster

[tulip kettle]

the only way youre doing anything of use with this is infernus and crits

2 shots just to kill trash feelsbadman

[stuck sinew]

Power creep be a bintch like that

[tulip kettle]

i wish the full auto mod had more customisation

so you can make it shoot slightly slower than max fire rate and regain some control and stability on lasguns and such

[prime elk]

I'm just glad it exists

This game puts so much strain on the fingers

[tulip kettle]

yeah for sure, buts for example on the kantrael 1a its so annoying watching the random bounce make you miss 1 outta 3 shots for no reason

whereas if the fire rate was slowed by literally like 10 rpm it would be an absolute laser beam

[marble crater]

A kingdom for the warp battery penance

[rotund bolt]

I love the CC is has

but for clearing chaff its shit cus it throws poxwalkers behind you

[tulip kettle]

hard disagree

channel it at your feet and never be in toruble again

[rotund bolt]

oh?

[tulip kettle]

just look stright down and chain channel until the enemies stop

it always throws stuff away from you

[rotund bolt]

Il try that once i get a staff with good charge rate and the blessings

cus rn it feels so clunky

[tulip kettle]

you need max blast radius and charge rate yeah it feels bad without it

[spice veldt]

charge rate scaling from 2.5 seconds to 1 second

truly, it is one of the weapons of all time to grind for

[rotund bolt]

Sheesh, mines at 1.2 and that feels so bad

[tulip kettle]

behold, a trauma staff

this one feels very nice 😄

[rotund bolt]

ahh warp flurry

my beloved

[tulip kettle]

got this earlier as an emperors gift

[rotund bolt]

damn

[tulip kettle]

and this is my closest attempt at what i believe is the hardest weapon to aquire

but yeah, im a void enjoyer at heart but trauma makes the game very ez

[rotund bolt]

I am kinda liking the surge atm, but i think thats mostly cus i have a decent one

surge for damage, smite for cc and flame shriek to deal with gunners

[tulip kettle]

yeah sounds good

i like surge the least

but its personal tastes of course

[plucky flax]

What melee?

[rotund bolt]

DS MK4

[plucky flax]

[rotund bolt]

but thats mostly cus i dont have anything better

wanna try the force swords

[plucky flax]

I personally use illisi surge smite.

It's very cool.

[rotund bolt]

yeah but melk and brunt aint giving me any sugar

[plucky flax]

Bro put carapace on his purga staff.

And his build

Toughness regeneration who?

[rotund bolt]

Does that work? Or do you need to procc rending strike?

[plucky flax]

Amazing lvl 316 psyker build. I'mma copy it.

[plush oak]

Atrox 7 taxe

[rotund bolt]

my main goal is new curios, the last 4 curios hadron has ruined with ordo dockets and exp...

but hey, im getting 24% more dockets on my aurics now

[plush oak]

One day imma get fed up with hadron bricking my items

And imma brick hadron

[rotund bolt]

[radiant frigate]

what's on the bottom

[plucky flax]

He ran ep.

EP bb with a bunch of toughness regen and carapace on purga.

Amazing.

[radiant frigate]

is that a bad thing

other than the carapace flamer

[plucky flax]

Idk it sounds amazing.

Toughness regen for days but without ee you might still get shredded from shooters/gunners.

[cold elm]

thoughts?

[radiant frigate]

needs uncanny

[cold elm]

dont have uncanny unlocked yet. am working on it

is slaughterer avaliable for the dueling sword?

[stone totem]

Just remembered uncanny Mr. Incredible meme existed, day ruined

[radiant frigate]

no

[cold elm]

damn

unfortunate

[wind spruce]

1.2 is impossible on trauma

[cold elm]

should i change repost or shred for uncanny

[livid bison]

Neither since mk4 d sword 2 taps crushers with crit and no un canny. People who tell you un canny on d aword are either trolling or never looked at its crit break points

[cold elm]

was about to say. ive never really felt uncanny is worth it

at least on the dueling sword

what would you suggest instead

[livid bison]

Anything as long as you two tap crushers

I use pre cog rampage or shred and have a mk 4 set up with each combo. Really just depends on what build its on

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/tumble-butt-tumble-gif-14997175

[cold elm]

i was thinking precog due to the increase to finesse damage

need to unlock rampage

[livid bison]

Wow the toxic casual loser who greifs people with grims doesnt like objectively true statements who woulda guessed

[radiant frigate]

what did i miss

[harsh urchin]

There's pretty much no reason not to run uncanny lol

unless you're just trying to be a giga hipster then sure

it's pretty much in the same state as old pinning fire

the numbers are just overtuned as fuck

or old slaughterer is another good comparison

mathematically it's just the best

[tulip kettle]

but why run uncanny when you can just guarantee 100% crit rate and 2 tap crushers with crits without uncanny

every time

6 crushers? 12 crits coming right up

🙂

[radiant frigate]

can you guarantee that?

[harsh urchin]

how do you get 100% crit rate?

[tulip kettle]

lol no u cant.

[radiant frigate]

isn't it like 70-80% at most

[tulip kettle]

you also have 100% weakspot hit rate and never ever miss 🙂

[harsh urchin]

seems legit

[radiant frigate]

scrier's + max riposte + max shred + 5% talents + 5% aura + 7.5% base

77.5%?

[quasi tundra]

For some god forsaken reason I have a 379 emperor's gift

[radiant frigate]

highly situational

[flint plover]

probably still bad

[quasi tundra]

Yes

It had 54% damage

perks and blessing was nice

[wind spruce]

Toughness damage reduction is not additive between difference sources. If you have 20% from nodes and then 20% from scriers you end up with 36% TDR. If you add another 30% from one with the warp you get 55.2% total TDR.

Kinetic deflection scales linearly with stamina. If you have 2 base stamina and add another two, you will take 50% less peril per hit.

[rotund bolt]

😮‍💨

those dockets

[wind spruce]

They updated cleave last patch, all lights can proc rampage relatively easily

[wind spruce]

This is only true if you have atleast 9 stacks of Disrupt Destiny, precognition and 25% carapace

[radiant frigate]

did they fix something about disrupt destiny

because previously i remembered going like half a mission without seeing blue man

[wind spruce]

I've never had that happen

But others have reported it

[wind spruce]

Post a video playing with ds4 precog with the precog buff visible so we can see your uptime

[harsh urchin]

he won't lol

instead he'll just make up some excuse and tell you why you're bad

[wind spruce]

I actually really like his aggressively arrogant style in videos, but when it's happening in his actual interpersonal communication it's unfortunate and unproductive.

But, yeah, there's just no way precog is worth given the uptime

[harsh urchin]

well precog is actually fine lol

[wind spruce]

I just spent like 15 minutes hitting crushers in the psykhanium only for the carapace perk I added not to have applied correctly 😭

[harsh urchin]

the main problem is that uncanny is just disgustingly overtuned

not running it is literally like not running pre-nerf slaught or pre-nerf pF

[wind spruce]

If precog is fine then riposte is God like

There is absolutely no way that precog is preferable over riposte on a DS

[hollow jolt]

imagine using a sword when I can just spam trauma

peril is a myth

[radiant frigate]

this is why i don't play trauma

[hollow jolt]

couldn't hear you, I was too busy panic left mousing at my feet 💪

[radiant frigate]

Real

[rotund bolt]

Rate my 1,4k plasteel purgatus

[tulip kettle]

i mean, its useable honestly

groaners to crit chance, barrage to nexus

you got 76 burn and 70+ radius which is the main thing

[rotund bolt]

ye

[wind spruce]

Isn't it really good? I thought dumpstats were damage and quell speed, and that you want flak and flurry?

I haven't played purg since pre patch 13 tho

[tulip kettle]

yeah its pretty damn good

radius is still lacking and you do benefit from higher dmg ever so marginally

solid 8.5 outta 10

[sharp shoal]

I'm really enjoying deimos now

With trauma

[hollow jolt]

Deimos > Illnois 💪

[marble crater]

It's even good against hordes, if you need to use it

[bold badger]

you don't get the satisfying head lops with deimos though 😦

[radiant frigate]

respectfully disagree

[rotund bolt]

I need to optimize my purgatus shield build, any tips on which nods are just must take?

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b3638f3-b519-43e9-b548-72edd8cd8ae8/flame-on

[radiant frigate]

no empathic evasion and no mettle on purgatus? unexpected

[hollow jolt]

blocked for disagreeing

[radiant frigate]

unfortunate incident

[hollow jolt]

smh bypassing my block

[rotund bolt]

Kinda need help, feels like i need a couple of points reshuffled

But with bubble i dont feel i need EE

[radiant frigate]

Perhaps

mettle > warp expenditure most likely though

[rotund bolt]

yeah, prob right, it was some of the nodes i was debating

[radiant frigate]

purgatus doesn't exactly build that much peril

[rotund bolt]

Is wildfire and Combustion mandatory on the purg? I feel like i want some more utility

[radiant frigate]

combustion is just good overall

[shell radish]

am I missing something on my warpfire trauma? It feels a bit inconsistent even though it really shouldnt https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b363a60-33bf-41a7-b70c-ac751ccbb48e/gay-soulfire-trauma

[radiant frigate]

wildfire is debatable but i suppose it gets you to higher stacks faster

[radiant frigate]

swap battle meditation for creeping flames

honestly insane that you have only one point in shriek modifiers since the first one is so meh

[shell radish]

wildfire is pretty bad though right

[radiant frigate]

so i am told

[rotund bolt]

Thats what i am thinking

atleast math wise

[shell radish]

part of me thinks that it makes sense on a soulblaze trauma though

kind of like why you'd want it on a purg?

[rotund bolt]

I guess so

I wish i was better at perril edging tho, Scriers seems sick with any crit build but esp purgatus

[upper sun]

the warp gets to the best of us sibling

[tulip kettle]

you can also lose quietitude for the wildfire if you really want it, but for now i would just drop battle med for creeping flames. you will really suffer without it

[bold badger]

I took combustion off of my purg build. I like wild fire

[tulip kettle]

Perilous Combustion is mandatory on literally every build

its kind of stupid not to take it

wild fire is garbo trash even though it has a place in my heart

[sharp shoal]

Lol melk is selling a surge 4 void

For me

[tulip kettle]

buy it if u dont have it 🙂

[sharp shoal]

I don't it also has warp 3

[tulip kettle]

buy it and strip it for surge even if its trash

[wind spruce]

I'm not convinced it's mandatory on gunker, doesn't pull very high numbers as the only source of warpfire

[tulip kettle]

true, kind of, but then you pop the 4 ragers in the horde of trash and all the trash dies

it feels kinda goodman

[wind spruce]

In theory, sure, but if you're spraying with columnus the trash in the vicinity of the ragers will die anyway. I'm consistently getting like 30-40k damage with it at most in an 800k maelstrom

[idle plover]

I love columnus with the scryers gaze

[opaque charm]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/columnus-mk-v-iag-uses-graia-mk-viii-iag-damage-values/90851

RIP

[little pier]

Aye

Is this good?

[rotund bolt]

Looks good to me

charge rate is kinda not mandatory imo, it charges so fast anyway

[little pier]

https://tenor.com/view/excellent-gif-10394173

[rotund bolt]

My beloved just gave me warp nexus 4

[spice veldt]

the description of the damage stat for IAGs but their damage profiles are different
the poster is just being confused by the high ADMs that the Columnus has at close range

[wind spruce]

Two games in a row ruined by no sound queues

Absolutely horrendous

[opaque charm]

Just look at the part that is underlined in the image

Damage is supposed to be 75, but it's 95

[spice veldt]

yes, the description is bugged

[opaque charm]

This whole time your favorite gun has had a 25% damage boost, that is then being multiplied by crit/headshots

[spice veldt]

I already debunked the notion of the Columnus and graia having the same damage profile here #zealot-class message

the description is what's wrong, not the damage profile

[opaque charm]

Ah yes the description of the light IAG is bugged, it's supposed to doq the same damage per shot as the medium IAG!

[spice veldt]

yes it does the same damage up close

that's the Columnus iag's shtick as the smg archetype

it has high ADMs up close and worse ADMs farther away

click the link above and you can see the numbers for yourself

fatshark did make these changes deliberately and didn't realize that being good at close range but worse at far distances is not much of a tradeoff in a game where 90% of engagements happen up close

it shouldn't be news that fatshark balancing is not particularly great

[lunar hollow]

unironically less of an upside on the new carnival maps

because there's more consistent long sightlines

[opaque charm]

Yes but take that and -25% damage and you would have what FS meant to do for Columnus

[spice veldt]

sure, if it followed the pattern of the other two IAGs

I'm saying that Columnus is a deliberate difference from the other two IAGs

it's base damage is already indeed around what the stat card (not damage description) says

click the link above and you'll see that I tested with rending to check what the base damage of a Columnus and a graia are

[opaque charm]

What you are saying is the description is bugged, what I'm saying is the damage is bugged. There is no weapon in the game (other than the Columnus) which has the light variant (which fires faster and has more rounds than the medium variant) has the same base damage as the medium

[spice veldt]

you're not reading what i'm saying

I'm saying that they indeed do not have the same base damage

you're getting tripped up on the fact that the columnus has higher ADMs up close

the damage breakdown table always show the damage that a weapon does up close

just click the link above

and read the discussion i had with somebody else on this

i already proved that they have different base damages by checking where the rending% bonus begins to diminish

just click the link

and read the discussion

[opaque charm]

What is ADM

[spice veldt]

armour damage modifiers

[opaque charm]

Shoot both weapons at unarmored then

[spice veldt]

unarmoured is an armour type as well

and has !=100% adms in the case of the columnus

[opaque charm]

Yes, one that isn't modified by rending

[spice veldt]

i have to use rending to figure out where 100% adms are

the point of the discussion i had was that we couldn't trust the stat modifier descriptions

[opaque charm]

Unarmored is not changed by unarmored

[spice veldt]

so I used the fact that the properties of rending% are known

[opaque charm]

So get both guns and shoot unarmored

[spice veldt]

and what will that prove?

they'll do roughly the same amount of damage up close as expected

and the columnus will be worse at a distance

[opaque charm]

Ah ha!

[spice veldt]

because of its lower ADM than the graia at farther ranges

[wind spruce]

Unarmoured isn't modified by stopping power

[opaque charm]

If the light variant and medium variant of the IAG do the same damage to unarmored then the damage is bugged, not the display

[spice veldt]

it's not modified by stopping power but it's modified by the damage% stat

[spice veldt]

no, the columnus and graia have different ADMs against unarmoured

[wind spruce]

True

[spice veldt]

you realize that "unarmoured" counts as an armour type

and consequently weapons have an ADM against unarmoured as well

[opaque charm]

ADM is a phrase literally made up by you as far as I am aware

[spice veldt]

bro, you can literally search up the github repo

and search "adm"

[opaque charm]

This game has Stopping power and rending

[spice veldt]

and see what the the game uses internally

you can also search this discord and see people using it regularly

[opaque charm]

I'm about to commute home I'll test it myself

[spice veldt]

you can also see here #zealot-class message that the columnus deals 145% damage to unarmoured (assuming 100% damage stat)

and 66.84% to unarmoured at far distances

on the other hand, these are the graia's ADMs against unarmoured

[opaque charm]

Ok. Should be easy to see if the BASE DAMAGE is the same as the Garia before those modifications

[spice veldt]

yeah

[opaque charm]

The base should be somewhere near 75 vs G's 95

[spice veldt]

which is what i did in the above discussion by using rending to poke out where the base damage is

since rending% confers a reduced 1/4th bonus once you exceed 100% adm

[opaque charm]

Again, renditg doesn't effect unarmored

[spice veldt]

I KNOW

[opaque charm]

At all

[spice veldt]

WHICH IS WHY I TESTED ON FLAK

IN THE ABOVE DISCUSSION

did you even click the link to see what testing I did

[opaque charm]

Yeah but ignore flack and we will test Unarmored

[spice veldt]

why unarmoured specifically...?

it'll work, but that requires you to trust the stat modifier description

and the whole point is that you can't trust what the description says and that you should rely on the known properties of a general mechanic like rending% to figure out where the base damage is

[wind spruce]

Vicid the issue is that we have base damage x that we want to determine, but it's multiplied by the armour type y that is unknown

Getting to 100% armour damage modifier (which can occur at different values of rending) negates the y so we can actually determine x

(If I'm understanding arco correctly)

[spice veldt]

not to 100% rending but to 100% armour damage modifier

[wind spruce]

Sorry, yes

[spice veldt]

so in the testing that i did, i tested against a scab mauler at a distance since the ADM drops with damage

(since damage falloff is implemented with ADMs for some insane reason)

[wind spruce]

Edited

[spice veldt]

and then when rending% confers a reduced bonus compared to previous applications, that's when you know you've exceed 100% adms

and that'll roughly be the number where the base damage is

[wind spruce]

Roughly because we can't get the rending to exactly match the ADM, right?

[spice veldt]

yeah

since each stack of brittleness is 2.5% rending

it'd be more convincing if I could read lua and interpret the code but alas i am too peepee poopoo and have to suffer in the meatgrinder to understand this stuff 🥲

[untold spindle]

Can't you just divide base weapon dmg by dmg dealt for the armour mod?

[spice veldt]

you could, but my argument is that the description is unreliable so i can't use it in my proof

[untold spindle]

Fatshark moment

[wind spruce]

You can prove they are unreliable with the same method of testing when rending bonuses fall off, right?

[spice veldt]

yeah if there are discrepancies and whatnot

assuming that other factors aren't in play

i think I took fireteam in the video tests that I did so the damage values i got were 1.05x higher than they should've been

[tulip kettle]

im giga noob at this stuff and i followed what you explained there pretty easily i think

this guy says griai and column have same base damage

you say they dont, but their damage modifiers make them do the same damage at close ranges and the columnus less further away

if thats about the gist of it, surely you can test if thats the case easily enough by shooting a monstrosity at different ranges, with each gun with no perks or blessings, and see if the column does less dmg as you get further away, down to a lower minimum damage than the graia at same distances

without any need to actually understand the specific ADM's

[spice veldt]

yeah

that's a nice way to tell if weapons have different adms

and all that meatgrinder stuff

[fickle swallow]

OMFG I spent 10k plasteel looking for blazing spirit IV on trauma staff before I found that blazing spirit IV does not exist.

Uh

[hollow current]

lol, lmao even

[magic kayak]

oh melkie...

[opaque charm]

Get that shid, slap crucian rulette and swap stam w/ Carapace

9.5/10

(keep hand cannon dump speedload)

[opaque charm]

so I have data after testing. I was incorrect, the columnus isn't 'bugged' it's damage is just stupidly OP. I don't know why you think the display is broken though, it seems to match up with the damage in game perfectly

69 (base damage) multiplied by 1.24 = nearly 86

so it does exactly what it does on the tin

BUT this damage is simply too high compared to the garia because of it's rate of fire

[spice veldt]

oh i believe that the damage breakdown table and whatnot is correct

but in my proof, it'd be hypocritical for me to turn around and say "trust me the stopping power/damage stat modifier adms are incorrect"

yeah it's too high and i agree that it needs to be tuned down

cuz the tradeoff that this gun makes (high adms up close, low adms far away) is not a meaningful tradeoff at all since most engagements happen up close anyways

they evidently also thought it might be too much and gave the columnus less base damage per magazine, though this ends up not mattering much, with the IAG's good reload and the fact that you can just kill things before you even need to reload

[opaque charm]

I wonder if pre patch (14?) info on this gun is available somewhere

[wind spruce]

Where are we getting 69 base damage from

[opaque charm]

look at the top

near the weapon's gear score

[wind spruce]

Oh right

I was looking at the damage range

Wtf does that damage range even refer to

[opaque charm]

0 to 80% in damage

[wind spruce]

(Where it says 89)

[opaque charm]

I think that's damage to unarmored

[wind spruce]

Yes but how does the 89 come into play

Right

[opaque charm]

it is very dumb though

that damage shouldn't refer to unarmored

let me look at it and see if I can explain it

I think I have an explanation

The explination is that FS is dumb

this revolver has no armor damage modifiers to unarmored but the unarmored damage is different from the "Damage"

so I have no idea what the hell it is now

I was about to say, I think damage is Unarmored damgage (including modifiers to unarmored damage)

but it would appear to not be the case

[spice veldt]

yeah its unarmoured adms are unlisted

[opaque charm]

if my revolver has an unarmored ADM why is it not included

[spice veldt]

you'll just have to manually calculate it by 436/349 = blah blah

fatshark's god given right to leave out information in descriptions

[wind spruce]

And it's like 180% for unyielding bc reasons

[steel egret]

We can go back to just bars if you like

[opaque charm]

so wait

I'm losing my mind now

I thought "Damage" was related directly to 'unarmored' but somehow included the ADM

[spice veldt]

i believe it depends

the damage% stat of some weapons modify unarmoured adms

and some don't

i might be wrong

maybe they all modify unarmoured adms and it's just a description leaving out information issue

i never checked that

[opaque charm]

do you have code on columnus

so we can see what teh fuck is going on with it

[spice veldt]

nah and i also don't know how to read it anyways

[opaque charm]

mine has a "damage" of 89.7 but does 86 (up close)

to unarmored

I think I'm back in camp "Columnus is bugged"

Here is Graia braced, it has no 'stopping power' so it's unyielding damage is exactly it's damage

same for it's maniac

note that it's 'damage' is higher than it's 'unarmored damage' because it's Damave vs Unarmored (near) is 97.69%

[spice veldt]

usually if a weapon doesn't have a stat modifier, it'd be 50% of the stat modifier that the other weapon in the same weapon family has

i'm not at home so I can't check for myself yet but see if the values are the same as 50% of the stopping power stat of the agri brauto (assuming that it even has an unyielding adm listed in the description)

[opaque charm]

I don't think that's the case - the graia braced is acting like it does 100% damage to maniac and unyielding - it does exactly what the 'Primary action" and "Damage" stat say

if it was 50% stopping power, it would do less

or

well since very weapon's stopping power - if it exists - seems to be different

who can say, but the point is, the G Braced is doing the exact damage to those armor types

[spice veldt]

yeah, fatshark does follow that rule sometimes of making the weapon's ADMs 100%

but it's not a consistent convention and it's still a value that they set

[long wharf]

what's ADM?

[wind spruce]

Armour damage multiplier

[opaque charm]

which comes from "damage" (Sometimes but not always) and stopping power - if ur weapon has that

if it isn't there--- then the ADM is fixed

I guess

sometimes at 100%

[spice veldt]

hmm what's an example of a weapon with mentally ill adms and doesn't have any stat modifiers pertaining to them

[lethal lagoon]

All staves?

[spice veldt]

true, wtf is this shit on the purgatus

is it really just 200% adm on unarmoured and unyielding

what the hell

[eager token]

omnissiah bless me this day

hadron be kind

[wind spruce]

praying for this one

[eager token]

its so joever

my heart

[urban sandal]

that one can still work with specialists but the blast radius isn't good

sustained to flurry infested to flak

[eager token]

[eager token]

yeah idk if i want to use it

i have a nice blaze trauma but i want to try rending shockwave

[urban sandal]

fair

[sharp shoal]

Surge 4 ain't to bad

[urban sandal]

it is on trauma

[sharp shoal]

Rending is yes

I have it

[eager token]

surge on trauma is a meme

[sharp shoal]

I got Surge 4 void

Can I put Surge on trauma

If so were gonna have fun

A 380 axe

I'll take it

Can trauma roll surge or acquire it

[urban sandal]

yes that's why I said it's bad

it's good on void, sucks on trauma

[sharp shoal]

I got surge 4

[urban sandal]

staves don't share blessings

[sharp shoal]

Rip

I want a rending surge trauma

[urban sandal]

seems counter intuitive to me, surge only works on primary fire and rending only works on secondary

[sharp shoal]

okay then

I do like rending

[tribal girder]

my darktide just started having extremely low framerate for no reason. Changing the graphics to low didnt help. Does anyone know why?

[wind spruce]

did you add mods

[grim inlet]

the last FOUR staffs ive consecrated have given me stamina and infested on the perks

fucking give me ordo dockets or some shit this is getting frustrating lmao

[sharp shoal]

I use regular a lot on trauma

[lethal lagoon]

Are you sure it's running your GPU? Windows is ass sometimes and just switches to the Integrated GPU in your CPU

I had to force mine at some point.

Right click, display, graphic settings.

No one knows why this happens at random times for random people.

[grim inlet]

its just frustrating because that leaves having 2 perfectly get the 2 blessings i want because i already have a staff with reblessed blessings and shit perks. im trying to get at least one beneficial perk

[deep pine]

Do you guys think fatshark will make more improvements to the crafting? Maybe add some more QOL/flexibility.

I really hope so

[deep pine]

We all go through this.

[flint aspen]

man the psyker's skill tree is so much smoother getting to the keystones

compared to karking vet

my man got the hard mode skill tree

[latent hill]

I think they said that tree you’re looking at is the updated one

[spice veldt]

i half expect a crafting rework

since the crafting stuff that we have is stuff that we got early on and presumably just something that was thrown together to get it out of the door

and hopefully there will be a rework like the skill tree was

[grim inlet]

i REALLY hope so lol

[lethal lagoon]

I expect a crafting rework whenever they release red(100%) weapons.

[cyan notch]

itll probably reduce other stats if u get 100%

[earnest laurel]

And I expect my father to come back after getting milk.

[wind spruce]

@spice veldt i have broken my brain trying to figure out this columnus/graia thing in the lua

The only thing I can find of note is this:

overrides.autogun_p1_m2 = {
parent_template_name = "default_autogun_assault",
overrides = {
{
"armor_damage_modifier_ranged",
"near",
"attack",
"unarmored",
damage_lerp_values.lerp_1_25
},
{
"armor_damage_modifier_ranged",
"near",
"attack",
"resistant",
damage_lerp_values.lerp_1_25

Which i think overrides these values

[armor_types.unarmored] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_1,
[armor_types.armored] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_0_6,
[armor_types.resistant] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_1,
[armor_types.player] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_1,
[armor_types.berserker] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_1,
[armor_types.super_armor] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_0_05,
[armor_types.disgustingly_resilient] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_1,
[armor_types.void_shield] = damage_lerp_values.lerp_1

(ofc theres more to the top section)

Thats clearer

But im still missing a step

[plucky flax]

Nein;

[lethal lagoon]

Good point. We are never getting red weapons

[plucky flax]

$20 per red weapon

[quartz barn]

Sounds cheap tbh

Requires paid dlc and you get special versions of the weapons that use the same model but have a blue glow if you also buy the cosmetic pack

Even better if said models have been in the files for months already

[hearty oak]

How is the deimos for a replacement for saber?

[potent echo]

Cosmetics locked to each mark of each weapon 🔥

[wide lake]

Do Surge kill count toward Kill enemy with range for Melkbuck?

[fossil crag]

Why does Brain Rupture suck so much in comparison to the other options?

[lethal lagoon]

Got left behind by patch 13 🤷‍♂️

[wide lake]

Perk for Surge staff?? Usual Flak+Maniac?

[vestal fulcrum]

There's an argument to be made for Elites + Flak

Maniac doesn't really do a whole lot

[wide lake]

I have Flak + Stamina atm. So I'll change stamina to what ever the council decide

[hearty oak]

Its always been behind. Needs more spunk to it, like multi-lock or just something

[deep pine]

You can change and rechange as many times as you want, so just try out different options.

[ionic needle]

It really doesn't though

[restive slate]

In comparison, it does

[manic talon]

guys,tips for the warp battery penance?

[wide lake]

Brain Burst and kill-steal all elites

[indigo portal]

What are you trying to figure out?

I can offer some input.

[elder glade]

Smite is good in about 5 to 10 percent of situations (within those situations it is really good, outside of it it is just severely underwhelming).

Assail is best used to assist with horde clear (you can extend it outside of that, but there are much better options for it). Even for horde clear though, you could just use your melee. Psyker has some great melee options that cover multiple things you would want (Mk IV Maccabian).

Brain rupture has a lot of synergy with disrupt destiny and can be used to maintain your stacks with it at any given time as you can hit targets through walls with it. It can still be used to stagger individual targets (primarily bulwarks) which does make it a weaker version of smite in that sense. Just picking a target with it will also stagger, so it can be used against dogs that are on top of team mates (don't have to charge it either).

Pretty much none of them has any situation in which you can use them exclusively 24/7 and cover every single thing you'd ever want. Just because that's the case though doesn't make them useless -although one of these is definitely has far less use cases than the other two and someone who makes a complete build around it is smoking something, and it isn't assail.

@fossil crag

[vestal fulcrum]

Stacking DD with BR

I'd much rather just use Assail in that case

But BR is a good blitz nonetheless

[elder glade]

The only real benefit with doing it that way is the fact that it counts as a weakspot kill. Not the best for stacking it though, however, just tagging a target with it (not charging it fully, just barely tapping a target) will refresh DD.

Although, I just realized you could just use assail for that. Only benefit is to just BB people through walls

[onyx sentinel]

BB is just assail for builds that doesn't use true aim like fire trauma

you don't really care about spending your blitz for kinetic resonance since you get endless warp siphon stacks anyway for cdr

only really swap to it for specials and gunner lines

[marble crater]

If we could pick Assail and Psykinetic's Aura, my beloved would be very happy

[stable nacelle]

do we know if all force swords have the same base crit chance or is any with higher or lower crit chance

[vestal fulcrum]

All of them should be identical

I.e., they don’t have any Crit chance modifiers

[radiant frigate]

unless you have crit blessings or the perk

[vestal fulcrum]

That’s not relevant, Konstantine asked about base chance

I.e., I assumed with no weapon-based modifiers

[radiant frigate]

well yes

[stable nacelle]

bruh

[flint aspen]

is there any reason why the Deimos sword has a long delay when you hit it with a heavy force charge

[stable nacelle]

well thats sad

[vestal fulcrum]

What delay do you have in mind?

[stable nacelle]

was thinking of soublaze on crit but if they have 0

then its just unlucky

[vestal fulcrum]

You probably could get to like 42.5/47.5% Crit with Shred, a passive node (and/or Crit aura), a weapon Crit chance property

But the payoff is minimal

[urban sandal]

I actually think it's good but needs some touching up to bring it in line with the others, like guaranteeing a 1 shot on bursters/dogs, being able to lock onto tagged enemies through walls, reduce casting time or whatever

[stable nacelle]

probably cant get crit aura

and I will probs would be running scriers

its whatever

FS cant design

[flint aspen]

this delay on the heavy attack hit

weird hearing this from someone who's used to the mk7 sapper shovel having an almost similar delay when using its alt heavy hit attack

[vestal fulcrum]

There’s ~4 damage instances before a big hit is delivered, that’s normal

The same system works on chain weapons

Deimos doesn’t really need the special charged attack anyway, L1 and H2 pokes are more applicable in most combat encounters and don’t lock you in place

[marble crater]

Looks nice to push the dead enemy away after the charged attack though

[vestal fulcrum]

I think there is potential in the designs they made, but making actual interactions between skills and weapons matter is a finicky problem

Because it certainly is nice that Blazing Spirit is a FS blessing

[stable nacelle]

like force swords should have had innate deflector minus the block cost reduction

[vestal fulcrum]

But it doesn’t matter half the time when the thing that’s supposed to make you kill better is outclassed by just, you know, swinging your weapon

I don’t care greatly for Deflector as a blessing or an effect, so I will not pass an opinion on that

Locking it behind a FS blessing is not a good idea, though

It would be nice as an optional upgrade to Kinetic Deflection

[radiant frigate]

that delay is from you holdig the attack

[radiant frigate]

Real

i am literally projecting a force field, why does it only block melee unless i have a specific blessing

[flint aspen]

sometimes I use the illasi (god how do you spell this) not only as a horde cleaner, but mainly also to assist other people in whacking certain specialists and ragers and maulers

even if its main intended use was horde clear

[radiant frigate]

illisi

it is a good all-purpose weapon

excellent at hordes and at worst passable at other things

[vestal fulcrum]

Illisi is what Obscurus should have been

[stable nacelle]

the only force sword gimmick atm

is power at high peril

so you can shriek apply soulblaze

and delete shit like 2 seconds faster than normal

[flint aspen]

weird that I like the illisi force swords as psyker meanwhile I can't vibe with the power swords as vet

[radiant frigate]

not so weird

illisi is much more maneuverable

[quartz barn]

Ye illisi actually manages hordes while power sword has the tradeoff that it has better single target dmg

But honestly the main issue we have is the fact that we powercrept past the enemy health/player dmg balance, so now it just comes down to having the skill to deal with as many specials as possible

But spawns are so predictable that you can just have one person spawncamp them and be fine

You onehit everything anyway

[vestal fulcrum]

I can’t go back to Illisi after learning the stab ways of Deimos

[flint aspen]

force baseball bat when fatshark

[fossil crag]

I think my issue is how bad it feels to use with anything other than empowered psionics. Its real slow, and doesn't hit a lot of good breakpoints for its charge speed. I also think disrupt destiny is a very annoying keystone to play with, though I can see your point as to why it would synergize.

[paper loom]

bricked?

[vestal fulcrum]

Usable, but you will have to make do with one bad perk

[paper loom]

yea i assume change the pxwalker one

[vestal fulcrum]

I mean

Change poxwalker one to something else

[paper loom]

replace salvo for infernus?

[vestal fulcrum]

Crit damage is the one that should stay IMO

[vestal fulcrum]

Headhunter might be a better idea

Or…

[paper loom]

ok il give that a go

[vestal fulcrum]

Hold on, this is on Psyker

[paper loom]

yea

[vestal fulcrum]

I’m a little torn on how useful Opening Salvo is

Because it’s not a bad blessing in a vacuum

And Deadly Accurate can be carried by True Aim skill alone

[near wyvern]

Opening Salvo + Deadly Accurate are BiS for Assail Weave

[paper loom]

oh really?

[near wyvern]

Throw 2-3 shards switch weapons, take aim

While you don't take a shot each shard gets the +20% from opening salvo

And crit weakspots benefit from Deadly Accurate

Can one shot Shotgunners on a single crit weakspot

Gets even funnier with DD

[paper loom]

oh i didnt realise that

so shall i reroll both perks then

[near wyvern]

Actually made a video showcasing that not that long ago. Build & showcase in the beginning, Actual match after that

https://youtu.be/RtEm40UY-x0

[paper loom]

ty mate il check the video out

[near wyvern]

If you want. It's all about what build you gonna make it for

But perks into +flak and +maniac would be very strong for Assail weave on that

Cause if you have weapon out it applies to the shards as well

Damage is calculated based on buffs at time of impact not on cast. Only crit is rolled on cast.

That is if the attack crits or not.

The crit damage is still calculated at the moment the attack lands on an enemy

[paper loom]

ok cool so this gun its pretty good for the build you mentioned

[near wyvern]

Yup

It can't one shot elite gunners but it will surely be fine

Since the one shot is not that stable anyways

As it requires DD stacks and peril

[wind halo]

Anyone know what perks make the Surge decent? Been using the Crit build and honestly it just pales in comparison to Voidstrike.

[flint aspen]

I find psykers holding lasguns funny in concept

[vestal fulcrum]

Weapon perks, that is?

[near wyvern]

Depends how good rolls you have. Check Atheneum.

[cosmic sigil]

Pygex do you have any idea what are the crit strings on some weapons like the iags, the autopistol...?

[vestal fulcrum]

When a weapon crits, the following X shots will also be critical, is the way it works

X differs by weapon mark/type

[cosmic sigil]

yeah but i am looking for the numbers

sorry, i just realized i did not write my question correctly

[stone canyon]

Worth grabbing from Melks?

[vestal fulcrum]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2892198053 IIRC Combine listed the numbers in their guide, in Weapon Crit section

[wind spruce]

Super easy to test this in the psykhanium. Would take like 2 minutes

[cosmic sigil]

i would need to record it no?

[scarlet timber]

guys

do you uuse surge or

warp flurrry

on

voidstrike?

[vestal fulcrum]

I see potential in either

I mostly stick to Nexus + Flurry, though

[wind spruce]

Surge is fun when it procs against relevant targets but holy shit is the charge time a pain in the ass without flurry

And the "when it procs against relevant targets" is a biggie. A decent chunk of the time that second projectile will just not be relevant

[wind spruce]

What do you mean record it? You should just be able to point, shoot and count the yellow numbers

[quartz barn]

Surge all the way

Lack of projectiles is only annoying vs gunners that are spread out, which can be compensated by running bubble

[hearty dagger]

Is the Graia worth?

Kinda thinking of making a gunker loadout with Graia for more ammo efficiency

[quartz barn]

And hordes get staggered due to the explosions

[vestal fulcrum]

It’s… fine, it’s just the middle of the road between Agri and CIAG

[hearty dagger]

Yeah, been running Agri with Gunker since it feels more controllable

[vestal fulcrum]

Which arguably makes it not great at either heavy hitter or spam role

[hearty dagger]

Ran the Columnus on Vet though i think on Psyker graia might be more worth since no survivalist

[vestal fulcrum]

It doesn’t matter, really, CIAG has insane ammo reserves and efficiency/recovery with ammo packs

[wind spruce]

Bubble is shit

[hearty dagger]

Bubble does have the very niche use of trolling BON's and memeing down bosses since you can get your free melee hit back faster and can't get shot at

[wind spruce]

All the autoguns are viable, but the columnus is ridiculously OP. The others are ugly redhead step children in comparison

[wind spruce]

So niche it's not worth mentioning, idk why everyone is obsessed with this.

[hearty dagger]

Beyond that it's also useful since denthead zealots tend to actually use it

Beyond y'know

[wind spruce]

You know you can just dodge to the left or right when he spews, yeah? Then you stand still until he spews and dodge again.

[hearty dagger]

Running in front of the shield to shoot the reaper

[wind spruce]

It's still shit compared to your other options

[hearty dagger]

I do agree

Though i have come to appreciate the dome

For example it's way less active than the stunshield so you can just kinda drop it whenever instead of needing to actually care about where you put it down

I.E, if you see gunner spawns you can just slap down domeshield while with stunshield placement matters a lot more.

[rigid sky]

It's great for breaching a chokepoint

Like the first Carnival map finale if you defend the entrance

[hushed egret]

until everywhere is covered in his spew then you're forced into corruption damage and/or slow debuff. shield is great for BoN

[rigid sky]

Coming out of the mouth is very risky usually, biggest wipe point in the map imo

Drop a bubble at the mouth and it's 100% solved

[hushed egret]

also shield is great just in general. gunners are the biggest threat in this game, alongside trappers, and in hordes or bad situations so are flamers and bombers. dome shield can deny all of that in a single button press for your entire team in that area

not even considering the amazing toughness recovery, or the stuns from the flat shield

[rigid sky]

Gunners and regular Scab shooters tbh

[hushed egret]

exactly

[rigid sky]

The omnidirectionality of it is very valuable on most maps at least at one point or another

Idk if it's the best solution a psyker can have for it, and it's certainly not the only solution

But it is probably the most consistent and easiest

[hushed egret]

it's the best anti-gunner solution in the game, but certainly not the only ye

[rigid sky]

Burning Shriek is also pretty poggers for it but it's directional

[hushed egret]

the thing is: you dont always need shield, but when you do it's clutch af in a way your other ability options cant be

shriek will grant some reprieve from a gunner onslaught, but not for terribly long

[proven crest]

leaving a BoN alive on a map can make the game dramatically more dangerous

and it can sometimes be a slow boss to burn down

bubble let you burn it down consistently to avoid dangerous situations

really kinda that simple

[hushed egret]

especially certain maps with lots of narrow passages and death corners

bubble is objectively great, and the threats it handles are fairly frequent

[proven crest]

bubble is the "anti bullshit" option

[hushed egret]

yeeeeee

[proven crest]

and most of the fail states in this game involve bullshit

it's extremely good and makes the run a lot safer

hear a trapper? "haha fuck you"

[quartz barn]

How is bubble shit lol, it lets you ignore half the game

[hushed egret]

"no damage, waste of time"

[quartz barn]

Also funny baby jail for bon as he'll try to range you when you're in melee range

[cosmic sigil]

Meanwhile I did a very safe sniper vent purge with 3 bubble psykers

[proven crest]

if you simply kill all the enemies and win the game, then defensive options are bad

[cosmic sigil]

Killing is just one strategy. I wish the game had infinite horde modifiers.

So that you have to move and not pad the scoreboard with poxwalkers

[proven crest]

auric can sometimes be like that, where you really just have to move forward cause the director isn't going to stop throwing specials at you

but it would be neat if it was a codified thing with like genuine hordes

the value of something like Until Death in games like these is really interesting to consider

"what is the value of insurance, and when is it worth the opportunity cost"

[fair spruce]

++ B E H O L D ++

++ T H E K N I F L E ++

[proven crest]

"by attaching a knife to my magazine, the mag release becomes another trigger"

[hushed egret]

I feel like this is already the case, at least on the most difficult of missions. lower difficulties are lower for a reasons so doesnt need to have as many high priority targets for the less skilled to suffer against

[flint aspen]

what the fuck is this brother

[drifting charm]

holy piss I never thought the purge staff would feel this good and do a lotta damage

whats good perk combo for it?

do I got for more crits?

[cold geode]

flurry/nexus

flak and whatever other thing you can get

[drifting charm]

thats it?

huh

well dang

[cold geode]

flak because they nerfed fire by 25% vs flak back in the day so the only way you can do decent damage vs flak is with +25%

[drifting charm]

welp shit. I was hopin there's the blessing where i can burn em upon crit

[cold geode]

you could do more crit, or unarmored/infested, or again whatever you want for the second perk

having 76% burn adds an extra stack of burning for a max of 15

crit causes more crits on dot ticks

[hearty oak]

Can use blazing trauma and have the better fire weapon

[cold geode]

yea

[spice veldt]

it was nerfed by a quarter though 150% is still pretty good

[cold geode]

yea, thats what i said i thought >.>

course ive been up like 20 hours so my brain is mush

[spice veldt]

you were implying that you wouldn't be doing decent damage without the flak perk

[hearty oak]

Well say it in a more mathemetical way

[cold geode]

compared to what it was prior to the nerf

[dawn spoke]

purg already applies extra warpfire stacks on crit

[feral verge]

Don't need crit chance perk on purga

It's not the worst, but damage perks are way better

It's because the staff already crits enough with warp nexus, base psyker crit chance (7.5%), crit chance aura/feat

[spice veldt]

another person is way better than you

[feral verge]

Who let you out of the asylum

[spice veldt]

i'm surprised god allowed you to wake

[feral verge]

I am God

I only keep you alive for my amusement

[flint aspen]

purge staff is weird

feels like I'm less blowing fire into the enemies and more like just throwing dust at them

[hushed egret]

I dont know how you get that feeling when it simply melts pretty much everything but you do you

[feral verge]

Purga staff is how I have 1 million damage games

[rigid sky]

It melts everything... eventually

It doesn't feel like it's doing much even if it's doing incredible amounts

It's not very visceral

[feral verge]

Purga is really underestimated, and usually used incorrectly

[rigid sky]

Compared to the other staves and what gunker can do

The feeling of power from Purgatus really just comes from the "Throne, look at the fraggin witch" spam

[tawny jetty]

Goddamn. Nice. What's your purga look like?

[feral verge]

@tawny jetty

[rigid sky]

Now that's a spicy stick

[feral verge]

If you play on a team with really good players, your damage will fall to 500-700k

Which is still really good obv