psyker-class

[upper galleon]

that doesn't

change the calculation

i am assuming 100% crit chance

[limber silo]

I assumed you were dividing the actual bonuses by crit chance because that affects the actual bonus you're getting

[upper galleon]

on iags you probably get 1/2 bonus

guilhelbie is right

[upper galleon]

no xd

i'm telling you how fatshark calculates the bonuses

[mighty fractal]

[limber silo]

okay, so a 80% damage roll mk2 laspistol does 544 to a reaper with no DD stacks. it does 933 with 15 stacks of DD

so a little less than double

[potent echo]

it doesnt have dumdum on it right?

[limber silo]

dum dum was not applied and I was 20 meters away

no warp rider, no ranged damage bonuses at all

[eager mantle]

Doesn't dumdum work at all ranges atm because of fatshark coding

[limber silo]

it doesn't matter in this instance because there was no dum dum involved

[potent echo]

in other news, welcome to nonsense fatshark maths

laspistol on crit does less damage to the head than the body for dregshot

[limber silo]

my second test, with a guaranteed 20m this time, had 424 on 0DD and 822 on 15DD

[potent echo]

the entire ADM mechanic is stupid and should be entirely reworked

[limber silo]

So with my second test, 15 stacks off DD increased my damage by a nice 96%

[potent echo]

refer to above table

laspistols do >2x damage on weakspot

thats just a laspistol thing

so they get more value from DD

[zenith vigil]

is this good for gun build? 😄

[potent echo]

not the same story for other weapons

[limber silo]

Okay, so my claim of double damage is true, but only for weapons that have very high finesse, that makes sense

[potent echo]

yea it is great for high finesse weapons

[zenith vigil]

check the gun I posted above please? 😄

[potent echo]

there are definitely better options for a gunker than a recon

but sure why not

[limber silo]

recon is just a mediocre weapon

[potent echo]

just play it and see how far you can get

then maybe come back if you have some issues

[harsh urchin]

Sadly recon just sucks

But your damage roll is ass on that weapon as well

Which doesnt help

[zenith vigil]

😢

[potent echo]

once you get a baseline on what is considered good, like a CIAG, revolver, laspistol etc, you can judge other weapons yourself

[limber silo]

True, use something comfortable until you've built up your fundamentals enough to enjoy something less "meta" for lack of a better term

[lyric burrow]

the guns not great in general, but yeah youd want a much higher damage stat or you will need an entire mag to kill anything

take dum dum 4 off though

dum dum/headhunter are good

[plucky flax]

Thanks wildfire seems good I'll use it.

[flint aspen]

laspistol works very well for psyker, yes?

[potent echo]

laspistol works very well in general

but psyker has inbuilt control and hordeclear (because balanced ) so it shores up its weaknesses

[limber silo]

wildfire is not good at all

Genuinely believe it is a waste of a point and Xariann's video reinforces that

[plucky flax]

My own experience in a real game differs.

[limber silo]

Well it can be deceptive. Just because everything is glowie makes it seem decent. Mathematically it is a poor node that provides very little damage and is painful to get to work well. I certainly hope you aren't using it on purge because you can apply more SB just by sweeping with the charge attack

[plucky flax]

I use it on purga blaze trauma and surge.

[limber silo]

so keep in mind, wildfire CANNOT apply more than 4 SB stacks at any point

[plucky flax]

I play assail with voidstrike so impossible to take wildfire.

[limber silo]

So if you are using purge on an enemy at all, it applys 0 stacks and has 0 value

[plucky flax]

Yep 4 is good. It gives me head start.

[limber silo]

Unless the enemy has over 4 stacks already. Then it provides nothing at all

[plucky flax]

Yeah but enemy keep streaming into your line of sight.

Or even behind walls it can spread to.

756k damage in 27 mins with wildfire purga kinda gud
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1200915958181675069/image.png?ex=65c7eb24&is=65b57624&hm=bba97680154eb4ef1aeb76d8fc402b16a27b1de592301052ee6d549ebae9a5b7&

[limber silo]

And you can apply 4 stacks in 1.3 seconds, so just look behind you a little?

and that's if you don't crit at all

[potent echo]

on purgatus it mostly prebakes stuff behind or above/below or behind doors/walls

[plucky flax]

[potent echo]

it spreads faster too if you have a team member in front killing the burning enemies 🤷‍♂️

i wont say its useless on purg but my build doesnt really have space for it

[limber silo]

can I see your tree?

[mighty fractal]

The great unanswered question with Wildfire is

Are the spread stacks consistently killing trash enemies behind the enemies you kill?

[mighty fractal]

Are those stacks actually reducing the number of hits/amount of time needed to kill the next wave of horde enemies coming in?

Big scoreboard numbers are cool, but whether that damage is wasted or not due to overkill/not actually affecting your TTK on trash enemies is a lot harder to quantify

[plucky flax]

My purga build.

[flint aspen]

what does it mean?

you mean the laspistol compliments psyker well?

[limber silo]

Pretty similar to mine, keep in mind soulblaze cannot proc PC, so you would have to directly apply Purge to get it to be effective

[plucky flax]

Yes I am aware.

[limber silo]

It works well with a gunker build because the bonuses of DD and Scrier's Gaze affect it significantly more due to high base finesse

[plucky flax]

It's still good against crushers pack when I use melee on them.

[limber silo]

what's your melee?

[plucky flax]

In my scoreboard it says there.

Deimos with deflector uncanny.

[flint aspen]

but I can still use the laspistol with other builds?

or a staff is just more reccommended for non-gunker

[limber silo]

I'm gonna have to HARD diagree with that

3 stacks and uncanny 4 is doing 11 damage per tick

The reason you are doing alright with you melee is because deimos with uncanny obliterates crushers

[flint aspen]

since I'm still technically low level and I'd presume staffs are usable only in higher levels

[limber silo]

Your PC is doing effectively nothing to them

[flint aspen]

because of their wild stat scaling

[plucky flax]

[limber silo]

void is fine even with low stats. Surge is alright too

[plucky flax]

Fair if you feel that way don't use pc and wildfire with purga.

It seems to work gud for me.

[mighty fractal]

a lot of suboptimal setups work just fine in this game

[limber silo]

You're effectively dropping a railgun on a crusher and claiming that your nerf gun is good because it's killing them

[plucky flax]

[plucky flax]

Beauty of the game! Freedom of choice!

I mean I do okay damage so I'm helping.

[mighty fractal]

It's a good game for that reason

[limber silo]

true. But i like my choices to be meaningful. That makes it fun for me

[mighty fractal]

since good knowledge of system mechanics will get you far

[flint aspen]

what's the reccommended level to start swapping staffs over guns

[mighty fractal]

I run a lot of suboptimal setups that are more for flavor than anything, but I'm honest about them when I share them

[plucky flax]

I get carried by wildfire.

[limber silo]

Use what you want. Just about everything works in this game

[mighty fractal]

some weapons are going to feel kinda crap at low levels due to low stats

like trauma

Trauma charge time and damage for the amount of work you have to do feels awful until you start getting good stats

[urban sandal]

most psykers only use staves from the get go

[flint aspen]

staves?

[urban sandal]

plural for staff

[mighty fractal]

one day

we will get new staves...

one day...

[limber silo]

I prefer guns nowadays because I don't want to ignore 80 of psyker's choices for ranged

[flint aspen]

oh

[mighty fractal]

I see more gunkers in auric these days than before

[flint aspen]

rn my preferred gun for psyker is the laspistol and maybe the agrippa iag

[limber silo]

I like mk2 laspistol and vraks 3 headhunter

[mighty fractal]

honestly my biggest issues with purg are

1. No way to stagger Crushers and other Ogryns anymore, so Shriek is almost mandatory
2. I miss the firebolts from the other staves

though Purg LMB actually racks up decent damage if you reload cancel the auto

You can LMB, then press reload to cancel the recovery animation and keep doing this to LMB twice as fast as normal or more

[limber silo]

That's why I practice my dodging skills. I like purge as well so I try to shore up it's weakness with good gameplay

[flint aspen]

purge is like

the psyker's equivalent to the zealot's flammenwerfer, right?

or am I mistaking it for something else

[urban sandal]

yeah

[limber silo]

yeah, but infinite ammo, better draw time, and worse damage

[urban sandal]

lol I saw you get chewed out for that clip

[upper sun]

nah not me

[flint aspen]

"JohnDarktide"

of course its a vet name

[upper sun]

guy dodges really well but i think he needs to read a guy very thoroughly

like the assail killed me

[flint aspen]

I forgot how much weakened monstrosities can turn a somewhat chill time to absolute "oh shit"

[mighty fractal]

Force Sword push and DS4 weakspot staggers help a lot, too, of course

force sword shoves will flatten anything onto their back mid-attack

[wind spruce]

What's the significance of this clip

[upper sun]

to make u think

[potent echo]

about..?

[plucky flax]

I'm famous

[wind spruce]

To make me think "damn that was horrific game play" ?

[potent echo]

rmb assail, use it

[wind spruce]

And probably don't assail monsters

[upper sun]

the sniper part killed me

[potent echo]

this is why i dont run illisi with this setup

no boss damage, pee poo

1 heavy deimos activation on pimple can easily do 15% or more of bonbon HP

[umbral helm]

to be fair, killing the bosses didn't seem to be his priority so much as dealing with all the shit that made killing the bosses harder

[potent echo]

bonbon is ultra low priority, esp that area is huge

but when you have time to snipe in 1 hit or 2, deimos activate

[limber silo]

Everything else is always more dangerous thanthe bosses anyways.

Only boss I'd say is dangerous enough to prioritize is chaos spawn

[potent echo]

rather than like assail or void or illisi lights lol

[umbral helm]

damage is damage when you're focusing on like 4 different things at once like that

[potent echo]

thats just normal hishock dam

someone has to fight the boss

why not yourself

[limber silo]

I think psyker probably has some of the least potential for boss damage. I have no proof of that, but vet and ogryn and zealot have better tools for taking care of bosses

Voidstrike is decent, Deimos is decent, just vomiting bullets into bosses is fine

[potent echo]

also for bonbon 1 person needs to aggro

so only 3 ppl can kill it effectively

[limber silo]

but thammer, ogryn permastun, and vet sustain dps is just better

[plucky flax]

Purga + bleed knife for the double dot.

[next zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/kissing-jake-gyllenhaal-jack-twist-heath-ledger-ennis-del-mar-gif-17133697

[ornate hamlet]

zealot chat content

[radiant frigate]

Headsplosion™️ does not discriminate

[mighty fractal]

It depends honestly. The bosses are often the highest priority target in the room, but it's because of the sher amount of disruption and area denial they bring

[mighty fractal]

Plogryns knocking people around and multiple slugs creating massive slow puddles that also open you up to getting eaten is pretty bad

[upper galleon]

I cast soapus maximus on the heretics

[upper galleon]

It’s void (added bonus of CC on surge blessed headshot) or BB

[radiant frigate]

i hate the snail trail

[upper galleon]

Honestly if quicken wasn’t baked into warp charges

[mighty fractal]

slug trails are pretty awful to deal with honestly

[upper galleon]

And Perilous combustion worked on BB hit, BB would be a lot better

I guess if you have 3 saved EP stacks

[radiant frigate]

i also refer to the entire boss as snail trail

[mighty fractal]

I think people underestimate just how much disruption a slug causes

[hearty dagger]

Managed to pull off my first successful clutch yesterday

[mighty fractal]

getting eaten is also one of the few things that puts ogryns into death range

[hearty dagger]

Nothing too apocalyptic but i'm still proud

[upper galleon]

Slug in a wide area or you have one person get aggro and kite

[mighty fractal]

They're really map-dependant when it comes to how much of an issue they are

[upper galleon]

I think it is potentially the easiest boss and it can get rough in narrow areas or if the person who has aggro plays like an idiot

[mighty fractal]

Yeah

[potent echo]

looking at the zealots that make it do the lazy susan lmao

[upper galleon]

Had a knife zealot run up and stab BoN till he got aggro, then he circled around and behind us, sending the BoN puke towards us (hit all 3 of us)

Ran into the BoNs spawn closet???

And got vored

I was left speechless

Dude played it the worse he could

[mighty fractal]

That's one more reason why I like to run Bubble

If the bubble is on a slug when he barfs, it contains the barf inside the bubble and prevents it from creating a trail

also, it looks really funny

the barf swirls around like a giant toilet

what the

since when can this happen

I queued up for QP and it gave me a lobby with a bot in it

[upper galleon]

Bug

[mighty fractal]

800 hours and this is the first time I've seen it

strange

[upper galleon]

If 4 players join you, you might get the 5 reject team bug

Where the bot just stays xd

[mighty fractal]

I've seen footage of that before

But I've never had it happen to me, sadly

Yeah, I joined another game and other players joined the lobby

but the bot was hogging up the first slot

[upper galleon]

Cursed bot AI is becoming corrupted by heresy, idk how they are even able to show in the lobby screen

[urban sandal]

if you check their weapons you can see they have custom named 100% in every stat guns n shit

but they're grey

[limber silo]

I've had that before. Dickot became our mascot that game

[mighty fractal]

Damn, I should have checked lol

Embarassed I didn't think of that

[upper sun]

Maelstrom with 5 extra bots seems like it would be fun

They really need to add custom play and single player already. it would be so fun seeing the crazy conditions people come up with

[urban sandal]

custom maelstrom's would be fun and hectic asf

[upper galleon]

Singleplayer isnt likely coming until they rework/overhaul bots

And custom play would be cool but fatshark wants to keep players funneled to the mission board

Helps the game population

[upper sun]

i just hope you still get resources from it

im so sick of getting ping spammed while im trying to pick up some plasteel

[upper galleon]

🤷

[upper sun]

we gotta farm the shops smartly tbh stock up for the next 4 years when the game is finally out of beta

im buying any item i see in the store with 375+ base rating in case they buff it in 2 years

[upper galleon]

Tbh everything is useable to some extent

Besides like recons and tact axes

[upper sun]

you mean the laspistols?

the lasrifles are ok but maybe they should change the alt fire from a fucking flashlight to something else

[upper galleon]

No

The recon las rifles and the tactical axes

Both are just inferior to other options and struggle with damnation stats

Las pistols are great

They hit hard, accurate, mobile and fast

[upper sun]

not much armor damage tho

[upper galleon]

Doesn’t need them

If you want armor damage and las you go either a headhunter deadly accurate infantry las

Or a helbore

Las pistol niche is just pinging heads in close/medium range

[flint aspen]

the fifth reject is the expendable one

[upper galleon]

And for psyker specifically, you can go las pistol and either get armor pen on your dueling sword, force sword, combat axe, and even knife and chainweapons

Or just take brainrupture tho that makes your tree wack as all hell

[flint aspen]

inb4 they made Darktide 2 instead

[hearty dagger]

Man, i wish i could make my voidstrike build as wacky as my firestaff build

[wind spruce]

Because you're missing out on assail?

Why is telepots so often running corruption resistance in his vids

Are we all missing a trick or is he just trolling

[urban sandal]

corruption resist isn't bad or anything just niche

[wind spruce]

What's the niche in your opinion?

[mighty fractal]

Depending on the class, it's... not the worst thing

[wind spruce]

When would or wouldn't you take it

[mighty fractal]

In fact, I think it's key if you're doing Twins Hard Mode because the gas bombs are one of the scariest things about that fight

[wind spruce]

His last three psyker vids have all had corruption resist x 2

[urban sandal]

if you hate twins, grims, dogs, bursters

[wind spruce]

Well yeah

[mighty fractal]

Bursters

Is the other reason

For Psyker, one Burster takes about half of our health

assuming you have 200hp

and almost half of that is corruption

so a single silent burster will hog up a quarter of your health bar in corruption alone

[wind spruce]

Yeah, you can survive 2 bursters and still be above a wound

[mighty fractal]

a stray dog here or there, and now you're in the danger zone

[urban sandal]

if you run 2 wounds it can make all the difference between death or going down

[mighty fractal]

^

that's the main reason I can think of for Psyker

[wind spruce]

Yeah me too tbh

(Twins and grims aside)

[mighty fractal]

is it worth the curio slot? idk

[wind spruce]

Hard to say

[mighty fractal]

hp, toughness, gunner resist, sniper resist, and maybe stam regen are all more attractive

[wind spruce]

I agree

[mighty fractal]

but I might try running corruption resist just to see if it makes life any easier

[wind spruce]

I've tried it a bit

It's aiight

[mighty fractal]

silent bursters are such a menace that it might be worth it

[wind spruce]

I haven't tested the scaling

[limber silo]

I don't think it's worth

[wind spruce]

But I assume it's like damage resist

So less bang for buck per perk

[mighty fractal]

now, if burster resist were an actual thing

[wind spruce]

But one might actually be meta

[mighty fractal]

I'd run it in a heartbeat

[limber silo]

corruption resist doesn't seem useful because rarely are you taking significant amounts of corruption damage.

And gunner resist is a trap

[wind spruce]

I only take gunner resist if I intend to role-play zealot

[mighty fractal]

gunner resist is less of an issue for this class because psyker has so many ways to negate chip damage via toughness regen talents

[urban sandal]

when a reaper starts hitting hp though

[limber silo]

yeah, you're gonna get hurt whether you have resist or not

[wind spruce]

Less damage is less damage though

[limber silo]

gunner resist is just really low value for how gunners work

[wind spruce]

What do you mean by this

[mighty fractal]

it's less "this roll is godlike" and more "well, what other options do I have"

[limber silo]

have you tested how much longer you can survive a gunner?

[wind spruce]

Exactly.

[mighty fractal]

gunner resist is just generically useful

[limber silo]

It's about two to three bullets

[wind spruce]

Three gunner resist is yikes

Bc scaling

[limber silo]

two to three with 3 t4 gunner resist

[mighty fractal]

there might even be an argument for one mutant resist on psyker

since the slams actually do a decent amount of damage through toughness due to Psyker's complete lack of universal damage resistance

[limber silo]

true

[wind spruce]

I genuinely think the "optimal" curio set up is probably a bunch of 1 x "something" resistance

[urban sandal]

I always forget how squishy I am until 2 poxwalkers smack my ass for half my health

[limber silo]

I run block efficiency, stamina regen. and ability cdr

[mighty fractal]

Psyker gameplay be like

[limber silo]

2 block, one sprint efficiency

[mighty fractal]

Be at full health for 3/4 of the mission

[wind spruce]

Are you running stamina?

[mighty fractal]

suddenly you're at 25% health

[limber silo]

1 health, 1 toughness, 1 +3 stamina

[wind spruce]

Yeah same

Usually

[limber silo]

wounds are bad, they make everything worse

having less wounds is actually safer

[wind spruce]

I will come with my pitchfork for anyone who runs block efficiency but no stamina

[limber silo]

kinda nuts

[limber silo]

yes but deflection makes it reasonable

[wind spruce]

It's just because one stam curio scales better than three x block efficiency

[mighty fractal]

You can block crusher/mauler overheads with Deflection, Kinetic Deflection, some stam investment, and overshield from Vet or Zealot

it's pretty funny

it'll crank your peril to 97% though, of course

[limber silo]

all of that extra is doing very little. The only thing you mentioned that matters is gold toughness

[wind spruce]

So if you were to swap out the three x block efficiency perks for toughness perks and one toughness curio for stam you get more bang for your buck because maths

[limber silo]

gold toughness is super good

[mighty fractal]

you actually don't need the stam investment at all

[limber silo]

by itself, gold toughness prevents all damage from snipers, crusher and mauler overhead, and burster explosions

[urban sandal]

love copping a burster to the face and seeing I didnt take any dmg

[wind spruce]

Beautiful feeling

[mighty fractal]

i'm still surprised it actually has that property

[limber silo]

keep in mind, the overheads are programmed to ALWAYS break your block. So no matter how much you invest, you will have all stamina drained, deflection at 97, and take the swing to your face

devil claw parry is a different thing though

[mighty fractal]

Yeah was just about to mention

DC parry straight-up negates the block break stun

Ogryn shield plant is the other exception

[limber silo]

true

I rarely plant the shield tho

It's just not very useful and causes bad habits

[mighty fractal]

it has very very niche uses like drawing regular shooter fire and taunting them to make them run to you if you use that talent, or for holding very busy doorways that have lots of gunners shooting down them if your team is on the ball and will pick off a few problem gunners to create some breathing room

[unique mist]

how good is the new chainsword (XIIIg)? i just came back from a darktide break and haven't played with any of the new weapons yet

[mighty fractal]

but uses nonetheless

[limber silo]

I love it

[unique mist]

what role does it fill?

[limber silo]

generalist weapon

[potent echo]

why use it over the original

[limber silo]

Nice overhead heavies

[potent echo]

original push attack is easier to use

push into light is efficient

[limber silo]

yes, but I like IIIg push attack for maulers

plus it combos better into light spam

[potent echo]

it doesnt have a true horde clear combo which is annoying

it will always have a single target somewhere

[limber silo]

just spam lights

the one strikedown is not that big of a deal

[potent echo]

i guess but i rather just use the original

[limber silo]

and the weapon doesn't care about weakspots that much

I think it's down to preference

both are good

[unique mist]

what perks and blessings? i just rolled one with +20% damage infested/unyielding and Bloodthirsty, 372 base with mob dump (got lucky lol)

[near wyvern]

The new chainsword deals more damage with the heavies thus deals more damage with the special as well. You can easily one shot mutants, reapers and bulwakrs with the special even without the relevant perks. However it does loose the capability to heavy spam on a horde.

So old one is more horde clear, new one is trading horde clear for single target damage.

[limber silo]

I run with Shred and Wrath for my gunker

But rampage and SS is pretty good for non crit

[near wyvern]

If you gonna go with a chainsword do yourself a favour and put bloodthirsty + rev it up on it. Chainsword should be treated as an all-around mobility stick and nothing else.

We have much better options for actual melee weapon, namely Illisi, Deimos and DS4

[limber silo]

I hate that. If you want mobility just use a knife or DS

Why would I want my fantasy to be running around reving a chainsword like a lawnmower?

[wind spruce]

Bloodthirsty? Really? How often are you back to back chaining rev attacks

[limber silo]

Bloodthirsty is a garbage blessing that is rare for no reason

I think it needs to be reworked

[near wyvern]

Was it bloodlust?

The bleed blessing I meant

Not the crit on special

[unique mist]

What do you reckon

[limber silo]

You mean bloodletter

[wind spruce]

Bloodletter

[near wyvern]

That one

Bloodletter + rev it up

[limber silo]

Nah\

[wind spruce]

For monstrosities?

[limber silo]

shred + wrath or rampage +SS

[near wyvern]

Does decent damage if you can latch on yeah

[wind spruce]

Fair

[limber silo]

Don't let Pygex convice you to use a chainsword for a running stick

[wind spruce]

Everyone's wrong sometimes

Like all the shred on duelling sword stans

[limber silo]

Very true. I am very often wrong. Except when I'm not

I run shred on DS because I don't have riposte

[unique mist]

seriously though good or nah? salvageable, what should i change?

[wind spruce]

I've literally never been wrong

[wary junco]

I am rather curious of what is expected of the psyker class in a group

[limber silo]

except when you are

[wind spruce]

Both your blessings are garbage

[limber silo]

classes and roles don't really mean anything in this game

[unique mist]

F

[limber silo]

Psyker does fit a generalist/support role better than others tho

[wind spruce]

It's barely salvageable from a glance but I don't know how much the perks really matter

[limber silo]

Perks don't matter that much

[wet belfry]

Choose a ranged weapon and decide

[limber silo]

Not on CS at least

[wind spruce]

You could stick bloodletter and something on it for killing monsters

Pair it with a kit that covers your other bases

[limber silo]

Psyker's kit does this wonderful thing where it can cover it's own weakness exceedingly well just by swapping your blitz

[radiant frigate]

illisi makes me happy

illisi goes slice, heretics go splat

[limber silo]

Illisi do make brain go brrr

[unique mist]

im bored of illisi

[radiant frigate]

you have bad taste

[limber silo]

But yeah, Illisi is only fun for so long

[radiant frigate]

nonsense, fun forever

[spice veldt]

my taste can only handle so much

i've migrated from the illisi to the psword

[unique mist]

it's not fun forever

[limber silo]

Fun is knowing that psyker has so many fun toys that you can swap and still have more fun

[unique mist]

illisi=light spam

[spice veldt]

now i get to have 3 specials with one special press muwahaha

[radiant frigate]

power sword is so much less mobile though

[spice veldt]

mobility is a meme unless you're solo or you have 3 stealth teammates

[limber silo]

DS, CS, DC, even Knife (bleh) is pretty great on psyker

[spice veldt]

i dislike any form of kiting, so it's the best weapon for me

[limber silo]

Mobility can save your life thank you very much

[radiant frigate]

i'm thinking more in terms of "you can hold heavies and zoom at the same time"

so you can deliver it straight to someone's dome

[spice veldt]

you can always just sprint slide and dodge sideways

[limber silo]

Power Sword is the equivalent of saying, "Yes I would like to take this crusher to the face, thank you very much"

[spice veldt]

it's nice that force swords are one of the weapons where you can actually sprint and hold your heavy, but it's always been just a "neat thing" because you can just slide or dodge sideways

[limber silo]

I have to run weapon expert if I use power sword

[radiant frigate]

dodging sideways will not get me closer to my target

[spice veldt]

yes it will

[limber silo]

That's where you're wrong

crab walking is the way to go

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-knife-fight-gif-7305809

[wind spruce]

You only have to turn your camera to hit dodge-slide then you can turn it back

Reminds me of jumping in the air, doing a 180 to hit the fly-backwards ability playing hunter in WoW

Those were the days

Ooh disengage that what's it was called

Except you used it to engage

[potent echo]

Things you can't (really) do on controller

[wind spruce]

RIP

[spice veldt]

footage from patch 12 and with the mk3 when I would otherwise use the mk6 nowadays but mobility is still fine with the psword
https://youtu.be/W5ZgaiQyzFE?list=PLSTfdgZJQDpF2YnzqGB96vq17A8Bkf89T&t=67

[potent echo]

Peesword

[spice veldt]

hnnnnng!!!

[wind spruce]

Tanner released a hilarious video praising mobility today where his knife mobility was almost entirely irrelevant

Except so far as to cause him to run around like a rooster on crack unnecessarily

[bitter walrus]

Hi- I have a question about blessings on my demios power sword. It's decently statted and I have deflector 3 and precogition 3. I was wondering if unstable power 4 would be better instead of prcognition?

[potent echo]

You mainly do sprint and heavies

I guess it sort of matters because your sprint speed is lower

[wind spruce]

Oh it's helpful for sure

[wind spruce]

You need uncanny strike

Unstable is bait

Uncanny Strike and executor/slaughter

Executor for single target with the special

[stuck sinew]

Do force swords really need uncanny? They do max damage to everything but carapace don't they?

[wind spruce]

Slaughterer for extended multiple target extended use

[hearty dagger]

It's amazing to see fellow psykers with 0 idea of how to play the game due to assail brainrot

[unique mist]

Uncanny is really nice on my illisi

[hearty dagger]

->Enemy directly in his face
throws out 5 assail knives
->2 gunners, assail already out
Switches to voidstrike

[spice veldt]

uncanny strike is still a +25% damage boost in the worst case except against unarmoured/infested

[wind spruce]

Assailing enemies directly in your face is perfectly valid.

[bitter walrus]

I want to keep deflector and I've already use one of my mod slots on 25 maniac

[unique mist]

And you get most of its benefit from just the first stack

[hearty dagger]

Not really when you waste half your assail ammo.

[wind spruce]

Then pick up uncanny as your second blessing.

[hearty dagger]

And not enemies, enemy singular

[bitter walrus]

Ok thanks

[hearty dagger]

Dude had to actually use his Deimos and looked like he was completely clueless

[spice veldt]

well, assail does regenerate while you're doing other stuff so it's not a huge penalty unless there are a bunch of ragers and having some reserve assail ammo would've helped

[wind spruce]

I was playing around with assail void w/ transfer peril today. Pretty hilarious to chuck two shards, switch to void and see your peril plummet by 50% AND get to max stacks of true aim

[hearty dagger]

And the point is, dude had 0 idea of what to do in any situation beyond how to throw out assail

[near wyvern]

I would be sad. Seeing peril plummet by 50% will lower void damage

Warp Nexus + Flurry doesn't need any quelling other than the quell cancel

[wind spruce]

Don't need to quell at all when each shard is negative peril

I do understand that.

[near wyvern]

Warp rider for extra damage, warp nexus for extra crit and perfect timing for extra damage after crits

And warp flurry for faster charge time

[radiant frigate]

not too fond of warp flurry

doesn't mesh with how i play

[flint aspen]

my dumbass just realized that the peril mechanic is basically the psyker's equivalent of handling plasma gun heat

[radiant frigate]

it's the psyker equivalent of sienna's overcharge

[wet belfry]

Its ok atleast you didnt overcharge yourself.

[wind spruce]

I wouldn't call this quell cancelling

[near wyvern]

Cancelling the after cast animation with quelling while keeping peril up and flurry going isn't called quell cancelling?

[wind spruce]

Cancelling implies something specific, ie that you reduce the time between shots, skip animation sets etc

If you actually quell longer enough to reduce peril you're just quelling after each shot

Where as you can actually quell cancel to reduce the time between charges, but you won't lose peril

[near wyvern]

Quell cancel is nothing more than cancelling the after cast animation. What happens after that is dependant on the situation, but that's what a quell cancel is, you skip an animation to do something else than sit and watch it.

[wind spruce]

You aren't doing it to skip the animation, you are doing it to peril edge.

[near wyvern]

Doing it to do both, just mix it up depending on how far up I am

That's why I don't use macros on it

[wind spruce]

You literally can't do both.

If you do it to reduce the time between charges you won't actually quell any peril

[near wyvern]

You can. You can quell cancel back to back to get up in peril and then you can quell cancel into 1-2 tick quells to keep it up.

[wind spruce]

If you do it to quell peril you aren't animation cancelling, you're just efficiently hitting quell after your charged shot.

[near wyvern]

Which cancels the after cast animation...

[wind spruce]

You're just conflating two concepts

That dilutes the meaning of cancelling

[near wyvern]

Cancelling an animation is not cancelling an animation?

[wind spruce]

That's not the point lol

Are you weapon switch cancelling when you switch to melee and block after launching a shot and you don't wait for the full animation

No that would be a ridiculous use of language

[near wyvern]

Technically speaking yes, you are melee switch cancelling

[wind spruce]

So that's a no then, because technically is not the most helpful way to communicate

It's peril edging unless you literally just tap quell

To quell cancel...

[near wyvern]

So with your terminology doing a blitz cancel with a surge is not a blitz cancel if you decide to Assail or BB after it

How does that make any sense

[wind spruce]

No that's not the point

The point is that the "cancelling" part doesn't just mean you cancel a single animation because you switched modes

With trauma staff you can quell cancel to shorten the time between charge shots

[near wyvern]

So if you blitz cancel surge animation and throw an Assail it's not a cancel cause you simply switched modes, makes no sense

[wind spruce]

You're conflating things again

[near wyvern]

Cancel is a cancel if you cancel an animation with it, what happens after is irrelevant if you are free to choose your actions

[limber silo]

This truly is a big brain conversation

[wind spruce]

Again you're diluting the language

Why even call it cancelling if you aren't doing the action specifically for the cancel mechanic

But rather to just do something else

[limber silo]

Bro, the quell is part of the cancel. He IS doing it for the cancel. It's also quelling at the same time

[wind spruce]

Then EVERY time you switch we'd have to call it "x cancelling"

[wind spruce]

It doesn't work like that.

[hearty dagger]

Isn't that just what twitter cancelling is called nowadays?

[wind spruce]

If you do it for the cancel, ie to reduce time between charges

Holy shit someone who understands

[near wyvern]

How am I diluting it?

According to me:
Quell cancel into quell is a cancel, because we skip the after cast animation.

Suege Blitz cancel to Blitz is a cancel because we skip the cast and after cast animations.

According to you:
Quell cancel into quell is not a cancel because you are continuing with a quell.

Surge Blitz cancel into blitz is a cancel because it just is???

[wind spruce]

You're calling two separate things the same thing pygex

[latent hill]

So what’re good blessings for trauma?

[wind spruce]

Peril edging =/= quell cancelling

[limber silo]

OKay, I understand

[wind spruce]

Obviously a literally cancel occurs

[limber silo]

Pygex, are you just calling quelling quell cancelling?

[wind spruce]

He's saying that quelling after each shot is quell cancelling

It's not.

[urban sandal]

rending shockwave/warp flurry or warp nexus/blazing spirit

[limber silo]

Yeah, that's just quelling

[latent hill]

Obliged

[wind spruce]

Or peril edging if you want to specify that it's at high peril for warp rider and nexus

[limber silo]

Orrrr, you could just say your quelling and be done with the matter

[near wyvern]

I know you can quell cancel into faster attacks, I have made videos about it and I have listed it in the Atheneum.

Fun fact, you need to perform a quell cancel with Assails if you want to place down a stun shield after throwing a shard or you have to hang in there for the long after cast animation.

Continuing to quell after quell cancelling an animation doesn't remove the fact that you just cancelled an animation and thus 'gained' more time.

[limber silo]

Okay man, you're just being dumb and using lingo for no reason

[wind spruce]

Jesus dude, so when you're teaching a 101 psyker would you say "when you get to high peril you should quell cancel"

[limber silo]

It's like adding -pilled, or -maxxing at the end of normal stuff

[wind spruce]

Or just tell them to quell immediately after a shot

[near wyvern]

Depends on the situation

[limber silo]

I'm so traumapilled, I'm psykermaxxing yo

[wind spruce]

You're being deliberately obtuse at this point

[limber silo]

I'm bout to go Warpmode

[near wyvern]

When I am high peril, I mean 80-100. I don't always quell after QC sometimes I do sometimes I don't, depends on the situation

[limber silo]

BRO YOU'RE JUST PLAYING THE GAME

[near wyvern]

Yes

[upper sun]

another combat axe does the emperor hate me?

[limber silo]

There is no need to say nonsense about it

[near wyvern]

But the whole thing exploded here when I said you don't need additional quelling other than 1-2 ticks after QC at times.

With flurry nexus trauma

Suddenly that is a false statement

[wind spruce]

I didn't say that's false lol

I just took issue with the use of the term quell cancelling

Which is what you actually said

[near wyvern]

Cancelling an animation is cancelling.

[wind spruce]

Jesus christ

[limber silo]

I'm gonna leave-cancel this place so I don't aneurysm-cancel and die

[near wyvern]

That's where the term comes from

[wind spruce]

You're missing the point

[wind spruce]

This is the point.

You don't call something an "x cancel" because an animation cancel occured

[near wyvern]

Just because there is a QC involved if you immediately try to quell after a shot and thus cancel an animation by accident doesn't mean the mechanic doesn't exist in the background.

[plucky flax]

This is deep. I like it.

[latent hill]

Are you some sort of godamn skaven?

[wind spruce]

Language is hard

[latent hill]

Freaking hell, what do you mean quell cancelling?

[near wyvern]

Cancelling the after cast animation by starting you quell animation.

[urban sandal]

[plucky flax]

It's when you spam lmb really fast.

Machine gun style.

[near wyvern]

You can use it for that but also for other things

Like placing a stun wall after assails

If you don't QC you have to sit there for the whole lengthy after cast without shield coming out

[wind spruce]

Quell cancelling is when you hit quell after an action to cancel the animation.

You use this term in situations where you don't actually hit the quell button for long enough to quell, but instead want to repeat another action such as charging a shot, etc.

If you just quell after an action and happen to cancel the last part of an animation, this colloquially would not be called quell cancelling as it is just a natural part of gameplay.

[mighty fractal]

Quell cancels the recovery animation of your LMB, meaning you can attack twice as fast

LMB > R > LMB > etc

[wind spruce]

Railgun lmb

[plucky flax]

[near wyvern]

Only if Surge had blazing spirit and transfer peril

The dream

[limber silo]

Machine gun. Railguns shoot very slowly

[wind spruce]

I am psyker no understand guns

[upper sun]

less t4 blessings = less grinding

[limber silo]

Less t4 = More boring

[near wyvern]

Surge has 3 T4 blessings, we could live with 1 more. Blazing spirit is a T3.

[limber silo]

Especially when the blessings are get crit, charge fast, and scare the hoes

[near wyvern]

For which the latter is a joke

[upper sun]

seems like lazy programming but terrifying barrage doesnt seem that good

no wait

it exists in t4

[near wyvern]

The problem is that infested are immune to suppression.

[limber silo]

Have you considered the following... Surge... should have Surge?

[upper sun]

how do you even make a t4 run and gun

[near wyvern]

Would be funny but I wonder how that would work with the animation other than just applying double damage.

[limber silo]

You get more run per gun, duh

[upper sun]

"You can dance and shoot at the same time"

[near wyvern]

RMB that is

[limber silo]

Make it chain to two more targets

[upper sun]

https://tenor.com/view/2b-bayonetta-donguri-breakdance-camera-pose-gif-19905597

[near wyvern]

Why on earth foes run n gun exist for almost all the things but not the laspistols.

[flint aspen]

is kinetic flayer important for brain burst/rupture?

[near wyvern]

Nope, pick resonance and EP and carry on.

[wind spruce]

It's bad never take it.

[flint aspen]

ic

[near wyvern]

It had some utility when warp charges where tied to brain burst kills, it was a very reliable source of warp charges. Now it has no real function other than either gibbing a random trash mob or hitting a couple elites per match.

"yeah but it is really nice agianst a random mutant that comes after a pause"

laughs in front of a conga line

[flint aspen]

what about the Warp Siphon keystone?

[near wyvern]

All keystones are good and depend on your build

If you want to do brain bursts you should go with the middle keystone (EP) and go with the right side.

But just note brain burst is the weakest of the three blitzes at the moment and not really worth it unless you are running trauma or purgatus

[wet belfry]

Hard to go wrong with it

[flint aspen]

I'm low leveled rn, don't feel too confident using palpatine lighting atm

[wind spruce]

Do we think they'll ever let warp charges CDR effect scriers

[wet belfry]

Warp siphon adds very general effects like damage, cooldown reduction.

[near wyvern]

Yeah it only becomes worth it the more difficult the mission is

[near wyvern]

2025

Maybe

[midnight jolt]

I wanted to talk about cancelling but the subject is over by now 😦

[wind spruce]

I'd take a cooldown increase on scriers if they let it reduce cooldown while active

[wet belfry]

That actually doesnt look to differnet from the path i take

[near wyvern]

Play with guns until lvl 20-25 then you can try purgatus, don't bother with other staves until 30

[near wyvern]

Kinetic Deflection is so strong

[midnight jolt]

Kinetic Deflection is almost a must

[near wyvern]

You should go right side with assails on EP

You have 7.5% chance anyways to get a random charge

[rigid sky]

I feel like EP is very good but not as essential for brain burst as it is made out to be

EP is great with all the blitzes

[wet belfry]

This doenst reach the maximium amount of talents anyways

[near wyvern]

Not smite

[wind spruce]

I'd rather have kinetic resonance and a different keystone tbh

[wet belfry]

If speaking from an optimization of a level 30 i wouldnt bother with EP at all.

[rigid sky]

But warp siphon works better if you are relying on your F a lot

[midnight jolt]

Emphatic evasion is also very good for any build if you cross path with it

[near wyvern]

Not any build, for builds that crit often

[rigid sky]

Or whatever the warp charges keystone is called

[near wyvern]

You need something with high crit and high attack rate

[rigid sky]

What psyker doesn't spam crits though?

Apart from like transfer peril void or brittleness trauma

[near wyvern]

Void and trauma. They do spam crits but too low interval.

[midnight jolt]

True, forgot that all my staves have crit chance

[near wyvern]

Where as things like purgatus, columnus with true aim

My favourite is columnus with true aim

Sprint slide to a reapers face and just shoot it without giving a fuck

[rigid sky]

Trauma isn't that low interval. You still get a lot of uptime, just not constant

[near wyvern]

Not constant is the issue

[rigid sky]

Columnus after 20 stacks of scrier's is hilarious tbh

Death laser

[near wyvern]

It's hilarious even without it but yeah Columnus with finesse upgrade is around 5k+ DPS

[rigid sky]

Do you run disrupt destiny with it?

[near wyvern]

I don't really run it with gaze

[rigid sky]

I usually play gunker with EP for Assail

[near wyvern]

I run it with creeping flames and 1 point in DD

Assails as well

[near wyvern]

EP is must if you go Assail + Gaze

[stuck sinew]

Everyone nuts about Scrier's but this is where the real power is

[rigid sky]

Assail helps stop you from being the meme psyker who eats all the ammo in the map :)

[radiant frigate]

as in, the SG modifier?

[near wyvern]

Yes. Forget about the duration, pick the finesse upgrade.

[wind spruce]

One issue using BB w/ kinetic resonance and EP is there's a time between each cast that isn't impacted by the reduced cast time, you can get around this with weapon switch cancelling but it's not as easy as quell cancelling as it requires two button hits

[near wyvern]

The duration will get you a second or two more on it.

Where as the finesse upgrade almost doubles your DPS

[rigid sky]

The crunch animation?

[spice veldt]

EP is nice to avoid situations where your teammates can kill the enemy faster than BB does 🥲

[rigid sky]

Couldn't imagine not taking the Finesse for it.

[spice veldt]

performance aside, I refuse to use BB without EP purely based on the feel of it

[near wyvern]

The after cast is sped up by both resonance and EP

It's just that the % values in the descriptions are totally not true

The real values are in Atheneum

[wind spruce]

https://outplayed.tv/media/lWdMrm

[wind spruce]

My bad. Much appreciated.

[radiant frigate]

interesting tech

[wind spruce]

gets a lot of value if you dont have resonance and EP (ty pygex)

[flint aspen]

I think I'm at level 13 to 14

what's the difference between mk v and mk ii dueling

[near wyvern]

Move set. And they have one thing in common, they are inferior to Mk 4.

[plush oak]

average brunt stock

[near wyvern]

Achlys :/

Buy it and bank it

Who knows

It might be meta 2026 July

[plush oak]

68% damage 😭

[flint aspen]

that is if they aren't going to make Darktide 2 in the middle of it

[plush oak]

im more of a rashad guy myself but oh well

[near wyvern]

You mean sell the same cosmetics a second time?

[flint aspen]

yes

[near wyvern]

Yeah Rashad is the way to go

If you wanna CAxe

But still DS4 is just a better axe

[plush oak]

idk man im so bored of the ds4

[near wyvern]

Knife 6 is fun

[plush oak]

started to run taxe lmao

atrox 7

super goated ngl

[near wyvern]

Ehh... Taxe on a psyker is like the worst you can pick 😅

[plush oak]

im a masochist

what can i say

xdd

[near wyvern]

If you know what you are doing who am I to blame

[plush oak]

got these 2 but on my zealot

[near wyvern]

I mean... I carried a game with Agripinaa revolver so it's not about the gear

[plush oak]

nah, imo every weapon is viable

[near wyvern]

It's how you play around it

[plush oak]

its all about game competence 😏

i usually run this on psy

[near wyvern]

Zealots can make more out of these tho

[plush oak]

very true

im on this wave rn tho

mb it was atrox 4 not 7

run it with surge bb

so this is my horde clear

very on the fence between this and the illisi. Illisi is better at the job, but i spoiled myself playing zealot and i need the speed of taxe

[near wyvern]

Illisi is just the better pick here

If you wanna speed you can get away with Knife 6 assuming you run kinetic Deflection

It's not the best horde clear but it's 100% safe as long as you don't get body blocked into a crusher or mauler overhead

[plush oak]

havent tried knife 6 yet

imma save up some currency to roll a good one and give it a shot

[latent hill]

Ehh I prefer the dueling sword

Cause I’ve been dealing a lot with elites

[feral verge]

i'd take illisi every time

[rigid sky]

Duelling Sword is just fantastic. Not sure about its usability vs Deimos.

[feral verge]

atm, taxe is considered one of the worst weapons in the game

[rigid sky]

I like it on my Purgatus build with Deimos for Trauma atm but I feel like that's a but arbitrary

Trauma helps with set-up for Deimos combo or special attack

[feral verge]

i find deimos more fun to use

[rigid sky]

I guess Deimos' main advantage is the push?

And potentially Deflector

Which is fun as hell when you can get value from it

[feral verge]

i havent used deflector in a year

[mighty fractal]

Deimos push is very useful

the range is pretty far and it has enough stagger to knock down crushers and ragers during their big scary attacks

[latent hill]

scuse me?

[plush oak]

idk man, it feels very fun to use

also very effective

brutal momentum is a must on it tho

[feral verge]

if it were the only weapon in the game, yes it would be very effective

but it's not, and is outshined by everything else

[plush oak]

just dropped 900 kills with it

🤷‍♂️

[solar nest]

Con someone sugest me a build for a recently lvl 30 psyker pls

[plush oak]

honestly every weapon in the game is viable

[feral verge]

post the scoreboard

[plush oak]

didnt screenshot

[feral verge]

i wonder how much of that is ranged damage

[plush oak]

well i played surge staff bb

and the taxe

but i run taxe on zealot a lot

one of my favs

[feral verge]

cuz i could post this

and say i killed 1.6k enemies just with deimos

[plush oak]

obv not lmao

but yes i get your point

i still believe every weapon is viable

its all about how u play around it

[feral verge]

every weapon is more or less viable, if used correctly

[plucky flax]

Not blaze trauma that thing is trash.

[plush oak]

id rather use 5% damage emperor's flashlight than that

[feral verge]

but i think taxe is the least viable, even though it can be viable if used correctly

it's one of the few weapons that have remained unchanged in the recent updates

[plush oak]

im just so bored of running ds4 and illisi/deimos

xd

[feral verge]

fatshark brough chaxe, and devil claws up to speed

[plucky flax]

Tru I am out here carrying with inferior weapon like blaze trauma.

Pls buff

[feral verge]

but left taxe in the dust

hoping it'll get tuned up

[plush oak]

claw 4 is actually insane

struggles against carapace but soloing 6 ragers in melee with only the parry is insane

[feral verge]

i like deimos/illisi/ds4 too much to really use anything else on psyker

so i'd only consider using it on zealot

[flint aspen]

my brother in christ

joined mid-match on a malice, two people dead

[feral verge]

but i really like chain weapons on zealot

[flint aspen]

a zealot fucking rushes

we all die

[plucky flax]

[feral verge]

dont play malice

[plucky flax]

Come play sedition with me.

Malice is too hard.

[keen vale]

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExazU5cHFzMWR3ZXRjc2Z3eDZidTliYnQwa2UxaWd0bm40dGZhNGQ0ciZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/UGrMkoqJADofD9cQoZ/giphy.gif
Psyker used confusion!
It's super effective!

[upper sun]

what do you guys think?

replace unstable or specialists?

[feral verge]

pretty good

replace unstable with executor

unstable is good, but executor is better

[plush oak]

chaxe is suuper fun to use

[upper sun]

yeah ive been testing the word in meat grinder

[feral verge]

@plush oak i love this thing

[upper sun]

100% peril charged shot gives me ~300 extra damage

[feral verge]

everything gets one shot without chastize

except bosses ofc

[plush oak]

imma have to try it, i been using the other one

[feral verge]

i like the old one too

i run this on the old one

thunderous is slept on

i dont bother with slaughterer because i already mulch hordes fairly quickly

i'd rather improve single target dps

[quasi junco]

which one of you is named Mentor?

[plush oak]

understandable, i run it the exact same way.
thunderous is super underrated

i love the single target light attacks on the mk4

[long wharf]

Siblings, all the missions against Nurgle has given me the COVID

[flint aspen]

have you forgot to wear the standard issue psyker mask

[upper galleon]

No cause a tree that plays around las pistol and BR would be scuffed

[urban cloak]

Are there any good weapons Sire Melk is selling now?

This is my current loadout

[upper sun]

why does the emperor test me?

I bricked 4 already

[upper sun]

Covid is a virus for those weak of faith I sentence you to pray to the emperor for 24 hours

[hushed heart]

Do Psyker staff attacks count as Warp attacks

[bold badger]

Yes, the bolt shots and charged secondaries are warp attacks

[hushed heart]

Sweet

[bold badger]

The staff swing special attack does not count.

[hushed heart]

Aw wdym cracking someone's head with a pole isn't a warp attack

[bold badger]

lol, would be neat if you could power it up like the swords

[eager mantle]

Guns during scriers should count as warp attacks. My crit chance bullets are being enhanced by the warp

[flint aspen]

which

[hushed heart]

Which blitz do you have

[flint aspen]

brain burst

[hushed heart]

Overpowering

Your whole job is gonna be popping Elites, this'll just grant you free bursts

[long wharf]

Nurgle took my sense of taste this morning

[rigid sky]

this is an outrage

[sage plaza]

Question: how many enemies fall under the Unarmoured category?

[radiant frigate]

a psyker slapping you with a staff warps your perception of reality, so it should be a warp attack

"did that really just happen?"

Yes

eat stick

[sage plaza]

Got a staff with 1 modification left, got my ideal blessings, but the perks are 15% Carapace and %20 Unarmoured

Wondering if I should boost the Carapace damage or swap out Unarmoured for Unyielding.

[plucky flax]

Naked fleshy dudes. Dreg shooters. Dreg bruiser body. Dreg gunner head and arms. Scab bruiser head. Bomber head. Shotgunner arms.

[wet belfry]

Ive been playtesting scrier gaze abit today, yesterday.

I think from a design perspective it has some serious problems

It feels more like a talent then an actual abillty.

It heavyily intencives constantly spamming the abillty nonstop whenever its able.

[untold niche]

alot of DT ability work like that

zealot's chatise

oggie rush

oggie taunt

[wet belfry]

Ye expect im spamming scriers even when theres no combat.

[untold niche]

on zealot i chatise to get plasteel faster sometimes

plasteel top priority

[radiant frigate]

as in, preparation for combat?

[untold niche]

no

[radiant frigate]

to move around faster?

[untold niche]

preparation to get plasteel faster

[radiant frigate]

i meant the scrier's gaze

[untold niche]

plasteel on floor

[wet belfry]

The damage bonuses from scriers happen after scriers has ended.

so the 1% that grows to 30%

[radiant frigate]

persist, rather

[wet belfry]

It also just helps with movement speed since i do things faster.

The stacking bonus does not do anything while scriers is active

[radiant frigate]

trash the ability then

[radiant frigate]

"lingers"

[wet belfry]

The text is wrong like much in the game.

[radiant frigate]

what you are saying implies it works differently from how it is advertised

if so

trash ability

[wet belfry]

This works during both scriers, after for some reason

while the other stacking bonus does not.

[untold niche]

wait wat so during gaze no extra damage from this?

mr pygex or arco plos confirm

[wet belfry]

Nope

[radiant frigate]

yes i would love confirmation on this

[untold niche]

i don't want to ping them since i don't play anymore

im just here lurking incase someone needs some void help

[radiant frigate]

hello yes i would like void help

what does this entail

[untold niche]

what does what entail
you ask me question on void i do my best to answer
you could also complain and i try to alleviate your frustrations

[umbral helm]

meeting Sithis

[radiant frigate]

are the low-charge shots ever worth it

[untold niche]

half charge is an important threshold
low charge mainly for close horde

or close zombie

assuing you are talking about rmb

[radiant frigate]

Yes

[untold niche]

yeah.

[radiant frigate]

i mostly just treat it like a spicy bolt staff

[untold niche]

close = three zombie away
immediate = 1 zombie away or less
usually for immediate i just tank 1 hit to line the guy up
else if im feeling lazy just QQ swap to your illisi

[untold niche]

its horde clear is good if you guys can find a funnel
you need to identify e.g.
you run up to them, you get a funnel, vs wait for them to come to you = no funnel

so sometimes this is a reason to play ballsy

[radiant frigate]

interesting concept

usually i just generously apply sword

[untold niche]

lets say the blue wall is shoot-through-able
theres one map that has many orange and its something like that
in this case you will want to face tank them with your void

[radiant frigate]

nigh unstoppable projectiles are fun

[untold niche]

also, other than the obvious effect of how void travel in straight line.
having funnel means stuff more close together ( since they will try to spread out)
which also mean your PC will proc on more stuff

[radiant frigate]

"how much penetration does voidstrike have?"
"Yes"

[untold niche]

on my caxe zealot, the optimal play is to clear horde before killing the crusher due to horde block you or no twbs
on voidstrike i just shoot the crusher

also @radiant frigate you can check out the word wall i wrote on void

[plush oak]

imagine a blessing on voidstrike called "nebula" or smth like that, which makes the projectile like a mini black hole, pulling even more enemies in its path

[untold niche]

hmmm

[plush oak]

too op?

[bold badger]

reminds me of mass effect

[plush oak]

i think it would be fun to play around with thats for sure

[untold niche]

no idea, i just imagine they will get pulled further away from you so its good support tool. but atm im not here to discuss about these stuffs although its quite cool yeah

[ornate hearth]

Does uncanny and slaughtered still buff assail?

[radiant frigate]

probably

they are character buffs, after all

[untold niche]

if you are not in immediate danger you shouldn't imo
build the 5 stack of true aim for crit

oh ya arco

[spice veldt]

if the weapon is held out when the shards hit the enemy, then yeah

hai

[untold niche]

^

[radiant frigate]

i can build those stacks with sword too

[untold niche]

:3

[untold niche]

im dumb, but doesn't it "use" the charge on ranged shot?
anyway, your void can kill like i genuinely don't know how many zombies
illisi is what like cleave 5, kill 3?

[spice veldt]

i don't know the answer to that and unfortunately I have about ~300 firefox tabs open and opening/closing them to open darktide up will rumble my computer

[untold niche]

arco are you secretly on a chromebook

[radiant frigate]

300 tabs what

[spice veldt]

no it's just that my laptop only has 16 gigs of ram 😔

[untold niche]

like all your services are piped through a web app

you go to calculator.com right

then calendar.com

[spice veldt]

yup can't believe those gosh darn web apps shlerping all of my memory

i can't possibly be blamed for my severe mismanagement of my tabs

[untold niche]

yeah and each micro process im sure you deploy on an e3 instance contained within a docker container right

[spice veldt]

yup

gotta isolate all them processes

security

and stuff

[untold niche]

yeah for your internet you vpn to the e3 instance named "router"

[umbral helm]

300 isolated tabs, each using a different VPN connected to a different country

[spice veldt]

mhm

[untold niche]

each to talk to a different friend*

[spice veldt]

and deleting cookies every 1 second

[untold niche]

everytime someone says "arco can i DM you"
he sighs as he presses the +

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/hacker-hackerman-kung-fury-gif-7953536

[spice veldt]

the tabs are all stuff that I should've been taking notes on but haven't gotten to
and I do have a system for "to read later" but i kind of just forgor until my computer freezes for a few seconds whenever i alt tab and whatnot

[untold niche]

are you working in R&D?

[spice veldt]

totally all spreadsheets of very important stuff

[untold niche]

[spice veldt]

(and whatever R&D people have open on tabs)

[untold niche]

i was finally going to make it serious and say god bless the raven and the nice lady

🐭 👨‍🌾

[worn cypress]

hey with trauma staff rmb, why does it sometimes add +5% peril when I detonate but sometimes not?

[untold niche]

are you able to record like a 5 second video of those two situations happening, think that would help for whoever else is able to answer

[worn cypress]

unfortunately I'm not setup for that

[untold niche]

i caught you cheating, admin pls ban

[spice veldt]

it's an impostor

[rigid sky]

Is battle meditation triggering maybe?

[worn cypress]

nope I don't take that node

[untold niche]

now that kaliste sent that,
send your build here

Does it happen when you rmb the ground without any enemies as well?

[worn cypress]

it's just my purg staff build, I'm testing it for a friend

happens rmbing the ground too

[untold niche]

console?
else you could prob use shadowplay

[flint aspen]

sorry to ping, but for smite, the other way around?

[hushed heart]

I still use Overpowering for smite because I have a nice Voidstrike
Assail is the only blitz can kill enough to get a lot of use from Lodestone

[rigid sky]

Depends on your weapons

You generally want Elites unless you have multiple reasons not to

[hushed heart]

Usually I just throw a charged void or two at whatever Elite I can spot and then launch the Smite with empowered at a horde

[flint aspen]

I don't know if its my subpar reading comprehension but I'm having a hard time discerning which staff does something different

at least I can discern what surge is, that's lightning

I think its lightning

[radiant frigate]

surge: 1-2 targets, fast cast, little aim requirement
voidstrike: insane penetration, some aim required
trauma: explosive circles
purgatus: a flamethrower

[hushed heart]

Baby Smite
Hollow Purple
Karthus Q
Blue Flamer

[rigid sky]

And gun: boolet

[untold niche]

voidstrike fires a ball. goes through stuff
veri high damage, but takes longer to charge compare to say surge
very effective

[radiant frigate]

magic bowling gameplay

[untold niche]

trauma you need a godroll. but you get to like pop 5 gunners if they are inside the circle

purg seems to struggle against tankier stuff

tip: don't touch void untl you are level 30

actually don't touch most of the staffs until 30

[radiant frigate]

do you propose the use of guns until then

[rigid sky]

Purgatus can be used lower

Surged used to be, idk now it's an elite killer instead of a group stunner

But Purgatus only really needs the maxed cloud/burn for damnation

Nobody cares on malice if you're capped to 10 stacks instead of 14

The others all just feel awful if they have poor modifiers

[untold niche]

me me thinks, just follow pygex's levelliing build and spam assail

its fine i don't have a clue what im doing at (the start of) level 30 torturing myself with a pea shooter ( void) till then

you can always just stay on malice to figure it out

[zinc phoenix]

I hope they add a monstrosity that uses smite

[rigid sky]

Yeah, do a couple of games with each staff maybe

[zinc phoenix]

😂

[untold niche]

void level 17 ( iirc thats the level void unlocks) very different from void level 30

it was so bad i ran BB (pls don't screenshot this)

[rigid sky]

But don't let it colour your perception of what they are really like

[rigid sky]

Brain rupture is wildly underrated

[untold niche]

take so long to charge jsut for that amount of damage

• but i don't want to run EP :v

[rigid sky]

You don't need it, although it does help a lot

You also have the modifier node that speeds it up after an ult

It's faster than two aimed Assails iirc, and that's if you don't cook it

[untold niche]

i don't want to waste my ability to pop ep faster
its prob way more efficient to have someone else pop the sniper/gunner with literally any other meta gun
volvo, kickback, grenade gauntlet, column, plasmagun,
even zealot's throw knife can do the job and its practically infinite

but your assail can pen more than one guy