psyker-class

[long wharf]

You can easily see Wildfire proc with blaze trauma

[mighty fractal]

Every argument for Wildfire that I've seen has either been pure vibes or "hey look my scoreboard has bigger numbers at the end of the game"

[long wharf]

But that doesn't make it worthwhile

[mighty fractal]

But the thing is, even if your scoreboard numbers are higher

[cold elm]

Wildfire still only does around 20 damage

Per second

It’s trash

[tulip kettle]

noble, because you are throwing burning dying enemies into crowds that arent yet burning in the case of trauma

[mighty fractal]

That extra damage is not actually doing anything USEFUL

[viscid matrix]

I never said it was amazing, i just said blaze trauma is the only use case

[tulip kettle]

and with purgatus, all you are doing is extending range and width of the flame

[mighty fractal]

due to this

[cold elm]

Pox walkers have 375 health

[mighty fractal]

Yeah the synergy is cool

[cold elm]

20 damage is nothing

It’s not worth the perk point

[tulip kettle]

its not about its damage alone

[mighty fractal]

it's just not doing anything reliably or consistently to actually help horde clear

[patent wing]

i wish scriers gaze would give like 5-10% rending

[tulip kettle]

i mean, again it is on purgatus

if you understand what its doing there

[long wharf]

Purge least needs Wildfire

[tulip kettle]

its just letting you get the first few stacks of burning applied more quickly

it just extends range and width

im not saying its awesome or anything

just gives the staff a tiny bit more reach

[mighty fractal]

The synergy is there, it just needs to reliably spread a decent amount of stacks to enemies behind whatever it is you're killing

[cold elm]

Scryers gaze. That’s what it’s called

[mighty fractal]

for it to have a meaningful effect

[cold elm]

That’s what disrupt destiny is for

[tulip kettle]

by the way

did they change DD secretly in this hotfix?

can my team mates see the highlighted enemy now?

played a game with it earlier and it was like my team mates were intentionally not killing the highlighted enemy

[long wharf]

Doubtful

[patent wing]

btw, precognition is really that bad?

[tulip kettle]

yeah i have no way of knowing it just felt like that and was weird

precog isnt "that bad" its just

there are so many better blessings on weps that get it

[spice veldt]

talent or blessing?

[patent wing]

talent

[tulip kettle]

oh i see

[patent wing]

its either that or 15 tough on my gunker

[mighty fractal]

I just wish the psyker guide didn't say Wildfire is BiS on Blaze Trauma builds

did a certain someone add that lol

[tulip kettle]

lol

[mighty fractal]

it misleads a lot of people into thinking it's actually making a significant impact

[patent wing]

blaze trauma is not that good, just need unarmored and infested perks

[mighty fractal]

and then they come in here and say "But the guide said so"

[tulip kettle]

idk i used blaze trauma all week after hearing about it here

[long wharf]

Blaze trauma is more meme than anything

[tulip kettle]

its really much better than i thought it was

[viral flare]

what does trauma do again

[long wharf]

Us psykers are desperate for more ways to apply soulblaze

[tulip kettle]

big ring on ground

[patent wing]

boom on earth

[tulip kettle]

throw stuff everywhere

[viral flare]

ah

[tulip kettle]

but yeah i got to clutch 2 whole sections with 3 people watching me blaze trauma my heart out on melee only modifier earlier

[long wharf]

Which is why rending shockwave is best trauma build

[tulip kettle]

i think with any other staff i wouldnt have succeeded

[mighty fractal]

rending is arguably more useful, if for your teammates alone

[patent wing]

surge>purge>trauma>gun>void

my personal fun ranking

[long wharf]

Trauma is definitely the easiest staff to clutch with

I just wish the aiming was addressed

[tulip kettle]

i killed about 60 crushers and maulers in the space of 5 mins alone

i wish it WORKED ON STAIRS

[mighty fractal]

a lot of people write off trauma because it's awkward for people who haven't played vermintide + its impact is really only felt on high difficulties

stairs are its worst enemy yes

[patent wing]

trauma bubble could be the build that allows u to solo auric maelstrom

[tulip kettle]

i need shriek on blaze trauma

to add more fire

[mighty fractal]

I run blaze trauma bubble, it's very fun and I can clutch

but it is not optimal

[tulip kettle]

i run bubble with rending trauma

[mighty fractal]

i wouldn't try to push an agenda for people to run it lol

[bold badger]

I have the easiest clutches with purg 🤷‍♂️

[patent wing]

idk which build in your opinion can solo a5?

[mighty fractal]

which is what happens a lot in these disc chats

[mighty fractal]

imo that was more true in the past, when Purg's LMB could stagger anything

that's not so much the case these days

[bold badger]

staggers everything but crushers

[mighty fractal]

Purg doesn't have anything to stall big Crusher patrols anymore

and those are a big cause of teammates going down in auric

[tulip kettle]

to change the subject

convince me why i shouldnt

[mighty fractal]

You really start to miss the standard staff LMB when you use Purg, too

the dinky little void fireball is actually a lot better than it seems due to the high stagger and suppression

and it lets you pick off weak targets with little risk

[bold badger]

my normal build for purg is coupled with BB + venting shriek. unless I put myself in a corner I don't have many issues getting out of crusher packs.

Just sucks with bosses. Takes forever

[cold ivy]

I honestly am not sure how much blazing spirit actually helps on trauma staff... Against armor it feels like the ticks do nothing and the staff already shreds everything not armored

[mighty fractal]

that's why rending is arguably better

in theory, blazing spirit helps you kill stuff outside of the explosion epicenter

[tulip kettle]

A tale of 2 traumas

[mighty fractal]

and it does work

Nice staves

[tulip kettle]

and yeah idk, the blazing definitely does something

[mighty fractal]

Trauma is good enough baseline to where suboptimal builds will still carry

[tulip kettle]

if i wanted to buff team mates dmg

i would play smite

[mighty fractal]

knocking crushers on their backs is very good at keeping yourself and teammates alive

[tulip kettle]

let me double everyone elses dmg with random burning plz 🙂

[cold ivy]

although my experience was on melee only maelstrom with psykinetic aura

so i had like permanent venting shriek to dump 6 stacks of warpfire on everything

in that situation i was not sure how much the extra 3 stacks per crit were helping

[tulip kettle]

like i say i played melee only mael earlier and solo clutched for 5 mins with that exact set up

[long wharf]

If trauma didn't knock everything down, nobody would use it

[tulip kettle]

the burning is doing a lot

[mighty fractal]

dont worry people already dont use it

😎

[long wharf]

Frankly, the epicenter needs to be larger

[mighty fractal]

it does

[tulip kettle]

i agree with that

[mighty fractal]

Both Trauma and Rumbler need epicenter buffs

to compete with other crowd clear options

[tulip kettle]

lower the stagger and increase the radius, with a steady drop off in dmg from the centre

[plucky flax]

This was purga with wildfire. Wildfire did like 30% damage.

Veri op

[tulip kettle]

instead of full dmg - no dmg

[mighty fractal]

the steep dropoff in damage from the epicenter to the edges of explosives in this game is very funny

yeah

[cold ivy]

uhhh does purg burn also count as warpfire for these calcs? or are you saying 30% of your damage came from that node (Wildfire) that spreads 4 stacks of warpfire when burning things die

[patent wing]

best melee weapon vs bosses?

i think mk6 knife might be tghe best deal because u can spam push attacks

that also block

[plucky flax]

Your move, wildfire non believers

[patent wing]

mk4 ds is faster but no blocking

27 vs 37 seconds

[tulip kettle]

idk knife is so inconsistent vs bosses in my experience, if you arent just focussing on bleeding them to death on vet/zealot

[patent wing]

yeah i have bleed on crit + mercy killer (weakpoint dmg on bleed) tahts the best vs bosses

[plucky flax]

Should go bleed + uncanny.

[patent wing]

uncanny makes no diff

[plucky flax]

The uncanny stacks will buff bleed damage on monsters.

[patent wing]

ah yes

but bleed bad at all

also theres no armor to be reduced on monsters

so im not sure

[slow karma]

Bleed is only bad when have too little of it going

Crushers and maulers

[tulip kettle]

yeah and psyker ios just not great at it compared to the other 2 classes

3 even

[plucky flax]

Rending do extra damage against unyielding, carapace and flak.

It doesn't matter if the models have armour or not.

[tulip kettle]

👆

also, if you exceed 100% rending it basically gives you bonus dmg, right?

[plucky flax]

At a very reduced rate. It's not worth it.

So tier 3 uncanny is good enough.

[patent wing]

its 4 seconds faster with uncanny 4

than with mercy killer

[tulip kettle]

but also, how likely are you to actually be nailing perferct chain weakspots in a real game

always gonna take longer

[patent wing]

yeah also the dmg boost against carapace makes it better

so, again, what build could be the best to solo a5?

[plucky flax]

Best as in what? Actually solo a full round?

Or just to clutch? Cos you can clutch with anything.

[patent wing]

yes without speedrunning

[spice veldt]

something involving trauma

that stagger is the only way unless you want to kite for days

[patent wing]

i thought also trauma, but what u gonna do in a "i need a revolver rn" moment

[plucky flax]

I'd play trauma or surge.

[spice veldt]

trauma and hopefully they'll get staggered

[patent wing]

yeah u mean the 2 out of 6 crushers :D

[spice veldt]

if you don't kill em, they'll be knocked down to the ground for a bit

[patent wing]

while the remaining get stagger resistance from that

[plucky flax]

But the best way to play solo is just to get a fast melee weapon and run.

[patent wing]

no that doesnt count

[spice veldt]

could just run smite if nothing else

if you're worried about the stagger and not worried about your time

[plucky flax]

Some solo meme without running here using blaze trauma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PRiD-sWsNQ

[patent wing]

yeah on open field is easy :P

[earnest laurel]

hotline miami

[patent wing]

the fun begins when you are in the arena in front of the elevator and u get focused by 4 snipers, 2 bombers, a flamer, 6 ragers and hordes

while some crushers spawn

and i forgot the gunners

[plucky flax]

It's how you make it mate. Use the map to your advantage.

[patent wing]

nowhere to hide, almost no space to kite

[plucky flax]

Banger soundtrack.

[patent wing]

yeah but in those moments u need fast and precise dmg

cant do that with trauma

[plucky flax]

Yes then don't use it.

It's very bad.

[spice veldt]

at least those you can delay with trauma

bosses are really the only DPS check since you don't have readily available stagger as psyker

[cold ivy]

you can get out of some extremely fucked situations with force sword block/push and venting shriek + perilous

[spice veldt]

it's your best choice as psyker for solo runs

so you'll have to take it or leave it

[patent wing]

needs bubble then

and what i use vs bosses

brainburst and knife are the only options i guess

[plucky flax]

I would like to see solo with bubble.

If you're going to record your attempts.

[bold badger]

I feel like people have dismissed BB since the class trees but I still use it regulary. Nice to have that range and 2 hit kill on large enemies. Venting shriek makes it more efficient to clear packs of large enemies

[tulip kettle]

i say the same

i run void BB shriek as my general, carry any game loadout

[bold badger]

but at the end of the day, whatever suits your playstyle.

all I know is I just want to get the 1mil kill unlock 😅

[plucky flax]

What are you up to now?

And in how many hours?

[bold badger]

968920

alot.

lol

[plucky flax]

Oh soon then mate.

Well I got mine around 1300~ hours.

Apparently that's quite fast.

I thought it was just normal playtime.

[wet belfry]

Im universally starting to view all the blitz abilltys of psyker as meh.

[bold badger]

1275 hours

[spice veldt]

BB makes me sad whenever I have to cast it without EP stacks and there's a teammate with a reasonable amount of ranged DPS nearby

[plucky flax]

So seems to be about the same as me.

[bold badger]

i don't care much for EP, I stick with warp charges

[spice veldt]

and then missing out on dreg rager 1-shot BPs without EP stacks

[lethal lagoon]

BB makes me sad whenever I have to cast it with EP stacks knowing I won't be getting that stack back.

[wet belfry]

I find it ridiclous also how many points one has to invest into a blitz abillty to make it decent.

[plucky flax]

I use bb and forget it exists.

[lethal lagoon]

That's honestly the worst part of BB for me, you are actively punished if you BB a non-oneshotable elite or a regular ranged mb.

[spice veldt]

tbf smite doesn't need any investment and BB only needs one point in terms of getting the fullest out of it

[lethal lagoon]

I only use BB when I'm running the 2 shield meme.

[mighty fractal]

BB is 'useful' for nabbing gunners behind cover, extremely long range targets, and trappers/hounds who duck around a corner faster than anyone can shoot them

it also prioritizes (or tries to prioritize) specials and elites mixed into hordes, so it's sometimes useful for popping the sniper buried in a sea of 30 poxwalkers

but it is very niche

and compared to Sienna's Soulstealer staff in VT2, it's also not as fun to use

[spice veldt]

it's the most "main weapon"-ish of the blitzes which makes me sad that it's the way it is

[mighty fractal]

Yeah blitzes are the weakest part of Psyker's kit imo

[spice veldt]

throw in some fun stuff with BB and give some buffs attached to them

faster cast when aiming directly over your target or all that stuff

[mighty fractal]

Stagger/suppression on enemies around what you brain pop, etc.

there's a lot they could do with it

it's just made for a different, older version of the game

and even then it wasn't that fun to use

[radiant frigate]

i would still rather have brain burst than any of the other abilities

[sharp sand]

whats the goto psyker build most people use

[tulip kettle]

do you want to use space magic

or do you want to cast lead poisoning 4th level

[sharp sand]

what

[tulip kettle]

well theres sort of 2 major things, right

[sharp sand]

uhuh

[tulip kettle]

psyker has access to magic stavesa

or it can uise guns

so do you want staff or gun

gun is very strong rn

[sharp sand]

oh staves for sure, i just moved on from veteran

[tulip kettle]

okay

well then theres 4 types of staves

so you need to think, do i want to kill the big stuff with my staff, and the trash with my melee

or kill the big stuff with my melee and the trash with my staff

[sharp sand]

can't the staff do both

[tulip kettle]

i mean, sort of, but not so much

as with all classes in this game that arent veteran

[sharp sand]

i was told to play psyker cuz i won't have to melee often

[tulip kettle]

you have to actually build your class to do stuff

[sharp sand]

or more like never

[tulip kettle]

lol

well that is incorrect on harder difficulties

on any class

[patent wing]

is there a way to reduce kinetic deflection cooldown

[tulip kettle]

if you want to melee as little as possible play veteran.

honestly dude it sounds like you probably want to play some more vet before you play psyker

and what u mean madrigal

KD has no cooldown

[patent wing]

i mean flayer

mb

[tulip kettle]

no

unbfortunately

[patent wing]

dang

[tulip kettle]

if it had a lower cd it would be actually good

if it guaranteed to proc off cd, and had a cd of 5 secs

it would be INSANELY good

[patent wing]

give

it

[tulip kettle]

even 10 secs with guaranteed proc on the first viable target hit would be so much better

[tulip kettle]

lol yes

that guy isnt wrong

until he is

you go play hard difficulty

[sharp sand]

so until auric im fine with not using melee

?

[tulip kettle]

and 6 crushers run at you with your flame staff

you will just die

you are also not getting any better at the game

purgatus is just a flamer like zealot has

[patent wing]

unless you pull out ur melee and get sum uncanny procs

[tulip kettle]

ya but this guy doesnt know how to melee

[sharp sand]

ill go for the flame build then

[tulip kettle]

and is trying to avoid it instead of learning

yeah sure dude

it will work best for you.

[patent wing]

the only staff that provides dmg against hordes + ogryns is trauma staff

[tulip kettle]

dude

dont

he cant play trauma

he needs to play purgatus

with focussed channeling

[patent wing]

dont be so harsh on him (:

[tulip kettle]

its not harsh

its what hes asking for

[patent wing]

i have the sudden urge to play bb gunker and be a black hole for ammo

[tulip kettle]

you want purgatus, with the focussed channeling blessing, the warp nexus blessing, the +5% crit chance perk, and the +25% flak damage perk. You want your staff to have at least 75 damage, 76 burn and 75 radius, the other 2 stats dont matter. For your talent tree, you want to make sure you have venting shriek, with the creeping flames upgrade.

[scarlet timber]

whats the build

on this?

[tulip kettle]

surge instead of sustained fire

but blast radius is dump stat, you need quell speed

and also flak + carapace is perks

in your situation with maniac i would change flak to carapace then sustained for surge

[plucky flax]

Focus channelling

[tulip kettle]

i know, but read what the guy said

[plucky flax]

I'm lost. I shall see myself out.

[tulip kettle]

he cant use his melee weapon

[plucky flax]

Still don't see why you wouldn't take flurry! Unless you wanna left click only in that case go run n gun.

[tulip kettle]

because hes a new player who is bound to get hit at some time. I know purg supresses trash, but cmon

[plucky flax]

[tulip kettle]

he is gonna get donked while channeling then overhwlemed, imo

[plucky flax]

Focus chanelling gud

[patent wing]

tbh purge is one of the most fun staves

[tulip kettle]

oh its great and really strong but like, thinking you can play the game without using your melee weapon on anything other than malice vet is gonna be a struggle

[patent wing]

if it would at least do anything against bulwarks or crushers.... maybe a slow or sth
i already blind myself with the flames thats enough of a self-cc

[tulip kettle]

lol its WORSE for your teammates

[lethal lagoon]

No melee, no crits, no weakspots

[spice veldt]

psyker is certainly the class to play if you don't want to melee at all

[plucky flax]

Based only smiter.

[lethal lagoon]

Join my OnlySmites now for only $3 a month.

[bold badger]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-it-with-fire-the-simpsons-gif-9628835

[tulip kettle]

yeah smite is the one

[radiant frigate]

psyker is certainly the class to play if you want to melee a lot

(illisi my beloved)

[tulip kettle]

smite + purgatus and you learn nothing at all

[half iron]

agree

[bold badger]

https://tenor.com/view/chefs-kiss-french-chef-perfect-dish-excellent-food-perfection-gif-20341505

[patent wing]

do other classes even know that we have like the best sword (illisi)

[bold badger]

No way lol, illisi and purg

[tulip kettle]

lol

[radiant frigate]

i think vets know, and they smugly declare their sword to be better

[tulip kettle]

psmk6 with cycler 4 wants a word

[half iron]

a force eviscerator would be the only thing that can top the force swords

[bold badger]

melee isn't for a psyker who can't dodge.

[tulip kettle]

if you said ds4 i might have agreed

[patent wing]

Yeah ok vets are excluded

they are babies who rely on overpowered weapons only

[half iron]

vets don’t have melee what are you talking about

[tulip kettle]

lol my vet is the lowest level of my characters

[patent wing]

cough plasma cough power sword

[radiant frigate]

indeed, kantrael XII much overpower very wow

[tulip kettle]

i played plasma power sword cycler 4 shout veteran

[half iron]

vets don’t have melee what are you talking about

[lethal lagoon]

Legally speaking, vets are not allowed to melee normal mobs.

[radiant frigate]

legally speaking this makes me illegal

[tulip kettle]

and got bored in a day

[half iron]

the closest thing they legally have to melee is helbore

[patent wing]

try to play the game as voidpskyer when u have 1-2 plasma vets

[tulip kettle]

omg now helbore melee only is hella fun

[patent wing]

u will never kill a single elite

[tulip kettle]

until a dog pack comes

[radiant frigate]

plasma is just a spicier voidstrike

[half iron]

plasgun vets really wanna be psyker so bad the way i watch them not manage their heat

[tulip kettle]

why manage heat

vent into shout overshield

who cares

[half iron]

you don’t manage it. exactly

[patent wing]

lmb auto vents

[tulip kettle]

also that

i think i have charged my plasma maybe 5 times in 30 games

to shoot stuff through walls

[patent wing]

and reloaded 3x per game

[half iron]

no one should manage heat. every class should have a weapon that makes them explode. the militarum yearns for perils of the warp

[patent wing]

BUT BEWARE the reload time is the price vets have to pay

[lethal lagoon]

Secret hotfix change where plasma now doesn't autovent

[spice veldt]

though you can just reload during downtime and ignore any penalty for it

[patent wing]

(they reload 3x in elevator)

[tulip kettle]

until you reaload in the airlock

haha exactly

[spice veldt]

😔

[half iron]

autovent is for chumps. i learned how to among us at age 1

[tulip kettle]

i also like

how you draw it as fast as a revolver

i was doing the whole agile engagement dager stealth vet

until i realised plasma is just, better in every way

and we evolved once again into crap

[patent wing]

more than 1 plasma vet in my game and i leave

[tulip kettle]

i mean shout plasma power sowrd vet

LOL i literally kept changing to my meme sniper build if another shout vet joined

trivialises the game

[patent wing]

what meme sniper

[ornate hamlet]

Plasma is revolver with the WOE IS ME downside of having a tiny-ass charge time with volatile

[tulip kettle]

i have my own meme sniper build

that i run with the HH mk12

sec

its like, trash, but funny.

[ornate hamlet]

Vraks 3, agri 9, vraks 7

[tulip kettle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b321e5e-eba7-4cd9-81d9-338ee47001c9/memesniper

spend 30% of the game invisible

30% with -90% threat

stand in dumb places and snipe at stuff

use weapon mod to give the HH an actual scope

cosplay as scav sniper

though i recently converted to the mk7 helbore for more authenticity and hit reg prposes

[midnight jolt]

Bricked, fk-in RNG:

And idiotic terrifying barrage that appears FK-IN EVERYWHERE

[patent wing]

ty

[untold spindle]

do auras stack with themselves?

2 players = 20%?

[spice veldt]

auras don't stack unfortunately 😔

[untold spindle]

this won't stack either?

20% cdr on kill is not real?

[spice veldt]

the way that talent works is that any kill that you make gives 5% CDR to you and anyone else in coherency

[untold spindle]

oh yeah that's fair lol

can't read

[spice veldt]

not worded the best

has aura in the name and doesn't specify who needs to make the kill

(this lack of clarity and occasionally being straight up wrong is a trend in fatshark's descriptions)

[cold elm]

which dueling sword is the best one

[cold elm]

basically every elite or special you kill charges everyones ults by 5%

[lethal lagoon]

4

[untold spindle]

used to it by now D:>

[mighty fractal]

If they switched the names of Seer's Presence and Psykinetic's Aura, it would be perfectly fine

[untold spindle]

5 has sick dodges though

[mighty fractal]

In fact, I'm willing to bet either someone in copywriting or someone in dev who was pulling text from the copywriting doc made an oopsie

[untold spindle]

4 is generally better i guess

2 is guh

[mighty fractal]

(I've been there)

[river dawn]

Will perk damage on purgatus staff affect burn over time? or is it just the direct hit damage?

[mighty fractal]

I raise you this:

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9b322e05-9134-4d14-aa80-81fffe02a344

a true victim of vet tree point tax

but it hits every breakpoint i want it to hit

and it's a stealth sniping build

[spice veldt]

also affects the burn over time ye

the perks (and blessings) of the weapon that you're currently holding will affect any damage source that originated from you

and DoTs get their damage updated in real time

[patent wing]

did they buff purloin providence?

or was it always 20/15

[spice veldt]

always 20/15 as far as I remember

since i always remembered its average value being 3%

[mighty fractal]

i wonder if we'll ever see changes to Unlucky for Some

it's a funny flavor talent

but yeah

[patent wing]

rng talent

[spice veldt]

unlucky (for the people who take it)

[mighty fractal]

I have no idea if it was pulled from tabletop either

it doesn't fit psyker's theme at all other than maybe like... siphoning the soul of your unlucky teammate

[coarse elbow]

what are some good perks to put on a mk4 dueling sword?

[patent wing]

uncanny and whatever

[coarse elbow]

perks not blessings

[patent wing]

maniac flak

[coarse elbow]

bet thanks

[mighty fractal]

If it worked like Ogryn's Won't Give In where it procced whenever someone gets disabled, it might have a niche use

but people still wouldn't take it

psyker already has 20 billion toughness regen talents anyway. The class' main weakness is large, single hits due to the lack of innate damage reduction, so maybe something related to situational damage reduction would work better

[patent wing]

imagine if it would restore HP instead of tough

[spice veldt]

yeah and tough luck if you're out of coherency when they're down

[mighty fractal]

aka in a team with two zealots and an ogryn

[mighty fractal]

god that would be absurd lol

but that's why I want to see it in action

[patent wing]

(it also cleanses)

[mighty fractal]

immunity to fire puddles

[spice veldt]

2 unlucky for some psykers repeatedly suicide bombing in sequence with infinite wounds

[mighty fractal]

god

make it happen, FS

just an entire team of psykers leapfrogging through the level while kissing dirt the entire time

[patent wing]

today i saved a run with brain fart

[spice veldt]

58 death run

[mighty fractal]

brainfarts are what i call venting shriek tbh

[patent wing]

its 400 fking plasteel to swap out perks on columnus rip

im always poor

[bold badger]

all that matters is that you are rich with the emperors love

[coarse elbow]

if the emporer loved me hed give me better blessings

[sharp shoal]

Anyone here know if the shoot fast heresy brain burst pox hounds and muties before they incapacitate players has to be consecutive or one mission

[coarse elbow]

im pretty sure theres no limit, you just have to do them

[primal plume]

https://tenor.com/view/sidious-smile-evil-grin-gif-9517476

Me whenever I stun the mutant the zealot or ogryn was about one shot and make them look stupid and swing at the air

[sharp shoal]

Literally how it be

[orchid shadow]

Doesn't have to be one mission or consecutive

[sharp shoal]

Thats good

I'll work on it then

I'm currently on 66 of 200 elites with bb

Painfully slow challenge not hard

[coarse elbow]

its not so bad if you do the preemptive charges

[sharp shoal]

Yes but people always rush and kill them immediately

[grim inlet]

get kenetic resonance and empowered psionics

[sharp shoal]

Got em both

[grim inlet]

nice

[sharp shoal]

lol

[coarse elbow]

preemptive charges should kill stuff pretty much instantly the moment you look at them

[sharp shoal]

Got a rupture build atm

[grim inlet]

i just finished getting every penance for psyker so i'm still living that high

[sharp shoal]

I did that as ogryn

[grim inlet]

i can't get the 40m in 20 seconds rush

[sharp shoal]

Easy

Join a private game long area yellow stim

[grim inlet]

i run gunlugger most the time so i never really gave myself a chance to get it

[sharp shoal]

All you need

[grim inlet]

i'll try it out next time i feel like playing ogryn

thanks

[sharp shoal]

Yellow stim is necessary

It makes the challenge easier

Took me 3 mins

[coarse elbow]

yellow stim isnt necessary, i did it without one

ould defintiely make it easier though id imagine

[sharp shoal]

Lol yes I did to on pc

On xbox

I used the stim

[grim inlet]

i never liked the charge up, i like being able to lock on to something in the distance. a lot of times i would hit something else lol

[coarse elbow]

i did it before the stim patch

[sharp shoal]

Lol

[coarse elbow]

but after patch 13

[coarse elbow]

the charge up is nice because you can selectively choose who you brain burst

lets you obliterate flamers the second they come in your vision

[grim inlet]

you can do that the other way as well, just takes a sec, when i was actively doing a bb build with the abilities and keystones active it wasn't too bad

i got lucky cause the guys i play with wont kill something if im bb them

[coarse elbow]

takes longer doing it with m1, someone else will more than likely get the kill

m2 then m1 lets you charge then instantly kill something with precision and before anyone else kills it

[grim inlet]

yeah with randos its annoying

[coarse elbow]

only penances im missing is the zealot one with low health and the quick complete time

and the ogryn one to bonk people with the box of hurt

annoying penances

[grim inlet]

i tried that a couple times with my friends and couldn't get it done

the zealot

[coarse elbow]

its pretty strict

[bold badger]

still need the 40m bullrush and 20 second volley fire (2 more times)

[coarse elbow]

at least 20 sec volley fire is easy

[upper sun]

(+170)

[coarse elbow]

so that should be good

[bold badger]

i just don't like running it 😭

[grim inlet]

i played with a level 1800+ guy the other day lol

[coarse elbow]

man i dont blame you, voice of command has so much utility

[upper sun]

200 hours in

i'm +20

[bold badger]

i don't run any mods, what's the 1899 signify?

[grim inlet]

Just your "true" level

[upper sun]

extra xp ontop of 30

[coarse elbow]

i dont know how people play without the health bar mod

[grim inlet]

As if the leveling didn't cap at 30

[coarse elbow]

its truly game changing

[grim inlet]

Amen

[silk vigil]

The amount of rations he’s eaten this week.

[grim inlet]

That made it easier for me to brain burst lol

I just hit level 90 psyker

[coarse elbow]

im at 83

my vets the highest though

[bold badger]

hm, wonder what i'd be at

[grim inlet]

My vet is only like 40

[coarse elbow]

im at a hundred something

[grim inlet]

Maybe not even 40

[coarse elbow]

110 i think

[grim inlet]

I'm 100 ogryn, 94 zealot

[coarse elbow]

[grim inlet]

I started the game playing psyker then switched to the others. But I've been psyker main the last 2 weeks or so

It's just too much fun playing as psyker

[coarse elbow]

it definitely has a lot of versatility, gun psyker is really funny

[grim inlet]

I haven't tried gun psyker

I've been on a trauma/soulblaze kick lol

[blazing drift]

guys i just hit 30 what staff should i dump my currency into

What is most fun?

[coarse elbow]

probably voidstrike?

[wet belfry]

[coarse elbow]

holy shit

[blazing drift]

thanks laz

[coarse elbow]

you should test all staffs in the meat grinder first

just to see what playstyle you like

[grim inlet]

Personally, I love the trauma staff with with either blazing spirit/warp nexus or warp fury/rending shockwave

[wet belfry]

I need theraphy

[grim inlet]

For sure

[blazing drift]

okay thanks , i loved leveling up with assail so might try voidstrike first

[grim inlet]

I have all 4 staffs at least 370base level.

My purgatus staff is 380/545, my trauma is 375/540, void strike is 379/529, and surge is 371/521

[cold elm]

what toughness percentage am i looking for on toughness curios

[coarse elbow]

16 is max im pretty sure

[grim inlet]

I went all max health lol

[cold elm]

kk. ty

[harsh urchin]

17 is max

And 21 hp and 3 stamina

[coarse elbow]

man i havent seen a single 17 21 or 3

lmao

[cosmic sigil]

it's kinda rare now

[grim inlet]

Bros this dude did one million damage lmao

[feral verge]

I've done 1 mil

But on psyker only

[grim inlet]

I've never got 1 mil 😭

[grim inlet]

I got a 21 for my vet which is my least played class lol

Highest damage I've done with psyker is 850k

I got 900k with ogryn

[grim inlet]

Jeez

What were the other people doing lol

[cosmic sigil]

Laja was looking for mats

[cosmic sigil]

i am sure that i do 30% less because i run everywhere trying to get plasteel

[grim inlet]

This was the other day

[feral verge]

With purga staff it's easy to get insane damage (800k +) on the stim amphitheatre map

[coarse elbow]

purg staff is funny

[grim inlet]

I think the smelter mission was where I had my most damage

[misty cypress]

what curio perks do we like? perks specifically

[grim inlet]

i love combat ability regen, resistance to gunners/snipers, and toughness. But the only reason i use toughness perk is because all of mine are +20% health

[dim adder]

how my gun psyker bro's doing?

[coarse elbow]

good

im trying the comlumnus v

[vocal cliff]

Idk tbh, feels weird not having a staff that fires grape flavored orbs sometimes

[dim adder]

I'm about to. I'm pissed at melk and the hate of psykers. he has given me only guns and burt as well for over a week now.

[vocal cliff]

Now it's just lead flavored bullets

[lapis harbor]

warp charges do not last 25seconds this penance is absolute BS

I hate this entire keystone

weak and revolved around not using your active ability lol

wtf

let me just go play auric missions to complete this penance by playing a terrible build

[bold abyss]

hey for her say play level 4, should I be trying to get as much toughness or something, since I only have two blocks of health? I do surge staff, mk blaze sword with the godd stuff on it I believe. I use the push back wave move and smite, with damage from all sources clause. But level 3 it seems I over powered. Level 4 runs seem I am under powered by a lot.

[grim inlet]

I love it lol. You only need to not use the ability for one mission when you get the penance

[grim inlet]

I think I might be different here. Because I only use Max health curious. My toughness is only 99 but my health is like 260. Seems more people go the toughness route for curios though

Do you go down a lot?

[dim adder]

I think its the better keystone. as much as I love the silly empowered psionics. I just never use them 90% of the time. void staff is life. no reason to not use that. head pop passive for extra oomph every 15 seconds. ez games

[vocal cliff]

Guess it's time to flip this penny to decide whether I bring a gun or a staff

I lost the coin

Fuck

[dim adder]

If I showed my mission rewards and everything for the past week. I'm sure I'd make the psykers in here cry

[vocal cliff]

Ok I got a nickel, let's try again

[bold abyss]

yes, when things get stupid and someone else go down. Like if its a situation where its al ot of special troops and they start sending a bunch of poeple to grab you up and move you around.

[vocal cliff]

Alright it's gunker

[grim inlet]

I got a base level 330 gun for beating auric damnation maelstrom last night lol

[bold abyss]

Have to sit and watch zealots or someone save the day.

[dim adder]

same, it was some wack ass lasgun with 5% damage roll

[grim inlet]

I like voidstrike but I fucking love trauma staff so much

[vocal cliff]

Oh Jesus fucking Christ on a pox hound and mutant horde modifier

Poxburster*

[dim adder]

I like trauma. but i feel like it would be better with uh.. that blessimg im trying to farm for that does two hits on a crit

that or crits apply soulburn

[feral verge]

the two hits on crit doesnt work right on trauma staff

it works only on lmb

not rmb charge

[grim inlet]

That's tough. Do you just get overwhelmed? When things get like that I just try to make sure I don't pop and I will move back and try and manage the map. Use your smite to stun them and pull out your sword to do the block pushback and keep dodging

[dim adder]

yeah i remember reading that

[grim inlet]

The brittleness or the soulblaze blessings are amazing with it. Crits don't work on it for some reason

[dim adder]

i wish they would remove run and gun from every staff other then flame staff

[feral verge]

there are two ways to build trauma. blazing spirit + warp nexus, or warp flurry + rending shockwave

[dire saffron]

Hey peeps, question here: Anyone know if the Chem safe rebreather with psykana collar has a deep voice modulator?

[feral verge]

i prefer warp flurry + rending shockwave

[dim adder]

i used blazing spirit and warp nexus on my void because thats all it will give me for two straves now

[feral verge]

not good on void, unfortunately

voidstrike wants surge (the blessing, not the staff) + warp nexus

[dim adder]

yeah i have been farming surge for a long ass time

[grim inlet]

It took me a while to farm trauma staff. I kept getting warp blessings over and over and over for the longest time

[dim adder]

i was bitchin on the steam forums that this is insane. nothing from any shop and over 1mil spent buying staves to get supression and run and gun over and over

[coarse elbow]

ive spent over 6 k plasteel trying to get uncanny strike ona knife

[dim adder]

had someone tell me "you only have 160 hours you can get 1m thats impossible" bruh do you know how much damnation pays?

[coarse elbow]

and still i only got tier 3

[dim adder]

took me 8k just to get deflector 2

[grim inlet]

At one point I had over 4 million and I spent over 2 million trying to get 375+ weapons. Literally spent over a million trying to get one fricken trauma staff

I was going insane

[dim adder]

the crafting needs a revamp i swear. or at least let us blacklist guns we wont use on psyker

[coarse elbow]

sometimes brunt has 370s

[feral verge]

that's incredibly stupid lmao

[grim inlet]

I almost exclusive get my weapons from brunts

[bold abyss]

Okay hmm will try smite that way, need to figure out how to get my fas re dah back fast, smite stun with that is great, but not every 30 seconds.

[coarse elbow]

i meant from requistions

i mean like he sometimes has decent stuff

like this

[bold abyss]

I wish they would put the 6th fights in other levels.. off to the carvnival.

[dim adder]

did they fix the trauma bug with hitting lower levels?

[grim inlet]

Yeah if you smite for a second, it pushes back every enemy you have smited. So let it arc for a bit then release it before you get to critical perill

[bold abyss]

Thanks, going to try a little now.

[grim inlet]

It buys you just a little bit more time

[orchid shadow]

Your Venting Shriek? You can get that down easily to 12-15 seconds with the right setup and buffs

[tribal girder]

whats the best perks on deimos?

seems like maniac is unessary since you can easily oneshot mutants and ragers without it

[feral verge]

@tribal girder

Maniac let's you one shot muties without doing the special charge

You don't want to use the special charge attack that often

[grim inlet]

I run flak and unyielding

[feral verge]

Just do the second heavy attack (aka heavy 2/h2) to a charging muties head

[feral verge]

Flak very unnecessary

Deimos already deletes flak

[grim inlet]

Not really, can easily kill maulers and ragers without special charges when they get close

[feral verge]

You kill them easily without it

[tribal girder]

i am running deimos with gunker tho so idont feel like i need maniac damage to reach oneshot mutie breakpoint, cuz i have dd

[grim inlet]

I rarely even use the sword anyway. Only time I bring it out is there is a giant hoarde in front of me and I'm still switching to trauma mid horde to make the elites fall

[odd lotus]

Any tips on how to deal with being swarmed up close as a Psyker?

[feral verge]

Maniac + elite/carapace/unyielding is the most optimal setup

[feral verge]

If you really don't want maniac, then opt for carapace + elite/unyielding

[tribal girder]

is acctran laspistol a good alternative if i dont want to use columnus

[feral verge]

Yes las pistol is very good

I only use las pistol on gunker

[grim inlet]

I don't need carapace either with trauma they go down like flies especially after brittleness stack

[orchid shadow]

What build are you running?

[earnest laurel]

use smite, inb4 redditor butthurt. Edit: already got one

[odd lotus]

I'm trying out everything but mostly interested in void strike and flamethrower staff

[tribal girder]

block and push. Use the talent kinetic deflection and push your way out. Then swich to your horde clear option once you are not surrounded

[bold badger]

if you're using purg flame staff you can just left click, it staggers everything but crushers.

[grim inlet]

You're dead if all you do is smite especially with nurgles blessing

[bold badger]

left click and dodge backwards to put distance between you and enemies.

[odd lotus]

Thanks, I'll check out that perk

[tribal girder]

you need to keep moving when staffing. Use the dodge slide during staff charge to stay mobile. Idealy as psyker you dont want to be surrounded or be focused fire. Mobility is the key to staying alive

[grim inlet]

Lol try smiting a crusher with nurgles blessing in the middle of a hoarde

[earnest laurel]

implying the average player here plays auric mael

[odd lotus]

Thank you guys for the advice

[grim inlet]

It still would benefit you to learn how to execute some of the things @tribal girder is saying

[feral verge]

Even in regular auric, I do not advise to just "use smite" to escape being swarmed

There are many ways to escape, that are more reliable, effective and adaptable than just using smite

[dim adder]

big tip, listen for the audio ques for being hit.

[earnest laurel]

And i advise every auric mael veteran to not use columnus or plasma , but we arent gonna have that are we

[grim inlet]

💯

[tribal girder]

what is the ideal perks on laspistol? Acctran

[orchid shadow]

First rule is, don't panic. Depending on your build, you have a bunch of ways to deal with sudden melee mobs right in your face. Blocking with push and dodging will be your friend. You can emergency vent if you running shriek. If you have smite, depending on your distance and what's rushing you, you can charge and smite, or lmb quick smite (which is really quick) to get single enemies that aren't Bulward or Crushers quickly stunned. But above all, don't panic.

[vocal cliff]

2 gunpsykers and two staff psykers and a dream

I definitely was using the wrong build because it had scriers

And I hate mutant hordes

And poxburster hordes

[alpine condor]

if i carried this game harder id have had a stroke i swear

[grim inlet]

Those are the most fun. Getting thrown everywhere with your bros

[vocal cliff]

Most of them just hound on a single person till they're grabbed

That person being me

[alpine condor]

also poxbursters are so frustrating

sometimes the audio cue is not there at all

[grim inlet]

I love going up to do the ole fashioned, block dodge back and then someone shoots it when it's right in front of me 🙂

[bold badger]

all the time

[vocal cliff]

Almost ended the run because one was blown up preemptively

[alpine condor]

hate it my run was ended as last man trappered

[vocal cliff]

For someone who hasn't played this game in a week surprisingly it wasn't as bad as I imagined

Minus the part where I dodged into an overhead

[grim inlet]

That's so frustrating

[alpine condor]

hey shit happens eh lmao

[vocal cliff]

Most of us were laughing when it happened

[grim inlet]

Don't worry guys, I will clutch and revive you and w- nevermind

[alpine condor]

i love the thought yanno velvet

❤️

[dim adder]

how do i get my role btw?

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/my-back-spiderman-spider-man-tobey-maguire-bully-maguire-im-back-meme-gif-24569145

[vocal cliff]

Oh you actually do have it it's just certain technical works and issues are preventing newcomers from getting it

Once things work out you'll obtain it

Like most recent newcomers

[dim adder]

i just cant post pictures thats why I asked. Also what do you guys think of my take on a "fix" for the crafting system?

allows us 1 modification per area on weapons. swap one stat with another, change one blessing, change one perk. that alone with taking out some of the shit blessings like "run and gun" on psyker staves would be leaps and bounds better then what's currently in the game while keeping the current gameplay loop.

[urban sandal]

I think a band aid fix for crafting would be letting us pay diamantine to unlock a slot but at this point ranting and raving about the crafting system is a dead effort

[dim adder]

true, diamantine is just there. we hardly use it

i wish they never gave up more guns tbh. I just keep getting kantrael mk x and vraks

[rotund bolt]

Is it true that damage CAN (not always) can be a dump stat? Looking at my surge staffs and i love this thing at 75-80 at everything but damage

[feral verge]

damage can be a dump stat on some weapons

but not surge

on purga staff (fire st aff) damage can be a dump stat

[upper galleon]

flamer and purge mainly

their contact damage doesnt matter

[radiant frigate]

both of these are very smelly

[lyric burrow]

trauma if its above 60 last i knew wasnt a huge deal but im not sure with the health buffs

[sharp shoal]

Shoot fast penance isn't counting my bb kills

Idk why

[upper galleon]

ACtually

it does affect burn intensity

but I have no idea what that means

burn is the application rate and max stacks

[sharp shoal]

I got 4 hounds before they got anybody and it's still at 0

[upper galleon]

i have no idea what "burn intensity" scales cause it isn't the DoT damage

[rotund bolt]

Maybe stagger on M1?

[upper galleon]

that wouldn't fit the description but it could be

cloud radius includes suppression

[rotund bolt]

yeah like fatshark does good descriptions

tbh

When i wanted to be better, it took so much time to figure out that stuff do

[upper galleon]

im gonna summon someone smarter than me

@indigo portal did you ever figure out what burn intensity meant on the flamer and purge staff damage modifier?

[quick python]

this is true for things like autopistol and columnus iag because sometimes 10% damage stat can be like 3 damage per shot

[dim adder]

i just got, a purple void strike, with run and gun 3.
I'm going to scream

[upper galleon]

not really, even though it doesn't affect the damage value much

damage for those weapons scale infested and unarmored damage effectiveness

infested, yea doesn't really matter, but unarmored is good for dregs

[rotund bolt]

The difference on my Surge staff damage from 66% to my 80% is 18 on M2 charge

[upper galleon]

Damage vs Unarmoured (Near): [0.84 - 1.17]
Damage vs Unarmoured (Far): [0.49 - 0.71]
Damage vs Infested (Near): [0.84 - 1.17]
Damage vs Infested (Far): [0.49 - 0.71]

[upper galleon]

while yea, for your first surge you shouldn't focus on mod scores, it is good to keep in mind it is 18 base damage, important for when you start adding on % bonuses

[rotund bolt]

Yeah, tho i do like having more utility on my psyker, i feel so squish so having the mobility really helps

[deep pine]

I also think blessings should not be locked to weapon families.

So if I unlock shred 4, I should be able to use it on any weapon that supports shred.

[radiant frigate]

i want swift slaying/bcr/crit on every weapon

[half turtle]

me2

[grim inlet]

i agree, its annoying trying to get every blessing for every weapon

[dim adder]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/770532508538109963/1201007490763063408/Darktide_Kmw6cVMxWz.gif?ex=65c84063&is=65b5cb63&hm=fd42c54f6b5368ab674257bf7c2dcd9b66980bcef3079dec47094dd6e3db0158&

https://tenor.com/view/sadcat-gif-25701972

[potent echo]

how often burn stacks are accumulated

when using the burst stream of destruction

[grim inlet]

just did my shriek and it didnt stagger 2 shotgunners right in front of me and they just blasted me after i did the shriek lol

[feral verge]

sometimes when you shriek while you are being staggered, it gets eaten

like, fire wont apply to the enemy

they wont get staggered

but it will still trigger cool down

[upper galleon]

so damage is rate of burn stacks, burn is how many stacks per tick+ max stacks

[grim inlet]

it was close, i walked into a room of them and immediately did the shriek but it didn't take, idk

[upper galleon]

shriek scales with peril when used

[grim inlet]

i know, but iwas literally just walked into the room they were in it was right in front of them

its the only time its ever happend though

[grim inlet]

thats frustrating, i didn't know that

[hearty crane]

Wish Psyker got Zealots gas mask from recent cosmetics Then my Psycho Mantis outfit would be complete

[half iron]

i wish for more big collars and tops without oversized oven mitts for gloves

[vocal cliff]

I wish

For more fur collar

[half iron]

i want more among us dome collars

idek if they fixed the first among us collar

[sharp shoal]

Did that dog penance by accident

Wasn't even trying

[worthy maple]

malleus monstronum any pyskers here that also has a ogryn with shield willing to help out for penance?(demon host)can return favor after first completion

[sharp shoal]

Sure

[elfin roost]

Place yer bets on how garbage this is

[sharp shoal]

I got you

I'm loading my og up now

[worthy maple]

bet join seeing if i can get more to join

[sharp shoal]

Lemme add you in game first

I'm playing on console is why

[worthy maple]

okay

malleus monstronum any pyskers here that also has a ogryn with shield willing to help out for penance?(demon host)can return favor after first completion need 2

[indigo portal]

I think it influences how much the direct damage ticks but I know for sure it doesn't actually affect the burn DoT application rate. I'd need to test it more.

[limber silo]

https://youtu.be/KSHEaRy0Zjc?si=fVOcgn4LlWRiQO8J

This was an interesting video that came in my feed, thought it might be enlightening for those who don't know already

[mighty fractal]

Wow an actual video explaining wildfire

instead of memeing

[limber silo]

@south hornet thx for the good video

[eager mantle]

Wildfire actually being worse than I thought

[mighty fractal]

ayoooooo

[potent echo]

wow actually dont need to type an essay anymore

[mighty fractal]

and every single day, too

[magic hull]

damn dude, i dont know if they bumped up damnation maelstrom or not but its been getting ridiculous lately.

[indigo portal]

Sometimes I forget that the basic stuff is just completely unknown to newer players because Fatshark doesn't say anything about it.

[flint aspen]

I mean to this day there are people who don't know how stims work

they just pick one up and never use it because it was never explained

[vocal cliff]

Honestly I don't pick up any unless it's the CDR (vet) or dmg increase

And sometimes I forget I have them

[indigo portal]

I love how Zealot has defining mechanics for at least one of the blitz's, ults, and keystones that aren't communicated at all.

[potent echo]

you also NEED the debuff indicator to understand whatever the hell debuffs are doing

like how bleed decays immediately while burn sticks around etc

and how long brittleness lasts

or if you teammate is using brittleness at all

[indigo portal]

Or how much brittle is per stack

Fun Fact: Not 5%

very cool

[flint aspen]

I always pick up the green stims as first priority if I can find them

[potent echo]

speed is decent because it buffs reload speed

but its still bugged to SLOW DOWN staves

fartshard

[limber silo]

I pick up red and blue on gunker, because red lets me eat crushers with the laspistol and blue lets me blitz bosses and elite hordes quickly

[vocal cliff]

Those two I forgot about them

[flint aspen]

green stims while only heal up like 25% of your health can heal corruption

[vocal cliff]

I mainly remember the yellow because I've been playing a lot of shout vet recently

[potent echo]

50% if you have no extra wounds

[limber silo]

25% or one wound, whichever is higher

[potent echo]

poggers

[flint aspen]

yeah that

blue is mainly what happens

if you put the Ogryn's Point Blank Barrage into a drug

[limber silo]

Green stim is honestly busted

No need for medicae if you have that

[potent echo]

blue with kickback with PBB 🥵

[flint aspen]

tho I've been hearing about psykers yelling if you inject a stim at them

[tacit bobcat]

so basically what this video is saying: fatshark pls add more ways 2 get more solblaz stacks. pls add more staves. pls add more staff attack variety. pls add more psyker warp attacks. pls add... everything

[potent echo]

no new staves for >1 year

💀

[flint aspen]

not sure which stim they're talking about with the yelling though

[potent echo]

well i guess reworked surge and buffed void are new staves

[tacit bobcat]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Biomancy

pls...

im begging..

[viscid matrix]

I’m still of the opinion that brain rupture is mediocre and needs to be reworked into a new ability that’s canon
Crush
A damage over time channel that can crush anything if you channel long enough

[limber silo]

I think purge staff should be a different thing from soulblaze, because all the soulblaze perks become impossible to blaance once you have the staff that just vomits it out

[fresh halo]

This any good, Siblings ?

[potent echo]

huh

[eager mantle]

Director is working (being randy random)

[limber silo]

All the SB perks are dogshit because purge just outperforms them by far. Making soulblaze more powerful would make purge staff absolutely nuts

[potent echo]

that just means purg is good, nothing to do with the talents

[tacit bobcat]

true, true. i agree with your statement.

[eager mantle]

Everyone agrees. With assail as it is, BR is just kinda shit and only tolerable with EP or Kinetic Resonance

[potent echo]

PC is good still regardless

Creeping is still amazing

[limber silo]

The perks are bad because low stack SB is very little damage. Imagine a world where SB stacks were far stronger so those perks were actually good. Now purge staff is absolutely nuts because it can apply WAY more stacks than anything else in the game

[eager mantle]

PC on its own is good

[upper galleon]

gonan say

you have it backwards

[limber silo]

ONly if you can proc it on multiple things to get large stacks

[harsh urchin]

Damage is too low

[upper galleon]

purge is bad cause it's all the soulblaze dot

which isn't that good

[tacit bobcat]

i want sienna's conflag staff 4 drktid.

[limber silo]

3 stacks of SB cannot kill anything

[upper galleon]

you can focus on damage, and get WF and PC

[harsh urchin]

You want high rolls on dmg finesse and pen

[potent echo]

purg staff has been around since launch and it hasnt been touched

[upper galleon]

it's not about killing it's about chipping down the whole map

[potent echo]

yea but PC gets crazy once you kill >2 elites

[upper galleon]

being rewarded for doing what psyker does amazingly, elite/specialist hunting

[potent echo]

everything dies

you want to get rewarded for killing 1 elite? lol

[upper galleon]

purge is literally just 16 stack soulblaze,

[eager mantle]

Which happens with lines of gunners, shotgun squads, horde around maulers/crushers, dog waves, any mixed horde

[upper galleon]

i frequently get top damage, most elite kills, and most specialist kills

[limber silo]

"whole map" you mean the small aoe around the elite after kill? Which everyone else can already murder because most things can handle mobs with low health anyways?

[eager mantle]

So literally all the time PC is adding value

[upper galleon]

wildfire+PC spreads a ton, it is not a short range

[potent echo]

idk how people dont get how PC is bustewd

what loadouts are yall runnin

[upper galleon]

and when it passes through twice, then yes, trash shooters do die

[potent echo]

you use a voidstaff on a shotgunner stack and 4 of them die

[upper galleon]

and when you are in auric

[potent echo]

the rest have 12 stacks

[upper galleon]

there is such a high enemy density

[potent echo]

they are already dead

[upper galleon]

that it scales up PC and WF to a ridic level

[limber silo]

If you are running into a gunner horde with 5 gunners in ti and you kill three for the high enough stacks to be useful, the other two are probably already gonna be dead if your team is competent

[upper galleon]

purge is just 16 soulblaze stacks which isn't that good

[potent echo]

this argument is lame

[upper galleon]

if your team kills them you spread soulblaze anyway

and make it easier for your team to clean up

[potent echo]

i dont need damage if i have team

[upper galleon]

the damage still adds up

[potent echo]

lol play smite

[eager mantle]

I really hate this line of thinking that clearing trash isn't value in a horde shooter from all angles. Yes. The poxwalker wave isn't a huge threat. Them not even being considering to look at is still value

[upper galleon]

clearing it for no ammo+ spreading and chipping away all ranged enemies

cause of the hyperdensity of auric

[limber silo]

If a vet kills a gunner with a single revolver shot and you soulblaze it with PC, and then the vet still kills it in one shot, you have done nothing at all.

[potent echo]

maybe when you play other classes that dont have PC you realise how good PC is

[upper galleon]

and not every vet runs revolver

[limber silo]

And trash hordes are so inconsequential that you can melee it all and be fine

[upper galleon]

except now wildfire is spread to 4 other dudes that get chipped down

[limber silo]

You're right, good thing everything else vets run can do almost the same thing

[upper galleon]

duelling mk4 doesn't have the fastest/strongest horde clear, it's passable

[eager mantle]

Like it's literally free AoE dmg for doing something you were already going to do. I love BRing 1-2 gunners and seeing several bodies later

[upper galleon]

if you wanna run purge go ahead

i'm jsut saying you are overvalue'ing 16 stacks from a short range

[limber silo]

oh yay, a bunch of trash is taking 8ish damage per tick. On their 300 hp minimum health

[upper galleon]

vs the chip, kills and damage you get from PC+WF

[potent echo]

16m isnt really short but yea

[upper galleon]

lol this isn't even accurate

[potent echo]

sussa is confused

[upper galleon]

it's shorter then flamer and that's flamers biggest weakness on zealot

[potent echo]

like you kill >1 elite

not you kill 1 elite and the whole map dies

[upper galleon]

and yea it's never just one elite

you kill 10 elites, and now the entire map is on fire and trash shooters are burning to death creating a feedback loop

it's not showable in psykanium

[limber silo]

4 stack is not enough to kill anything. 6 stacks struggles to kill things quickly nowadays

[upper galleon]

unless you set up creature spawner for auric density

[limber silo]

Wildfire is the worst talent in psykers tree bar none

[upper galleon]

A) it gets refreshed

[limber silo]

PC is fine

[eager mantle]

People hyper fixate on 1 controlled scenario and never how an actual match plays out

[upper galleon]

fine don't take it

it's not the worst tho

destiny still exists

[limber silo]

DD is one of the strongest nodes, wtf are you talking about?

[eager mantle]

Doesn't that go to teammate is downed give toughness to team?

[eager mantle]

DD is good

[limber silo]

No, DD is basically the get double damage if you can kill glowie enemies fast enough perk

[upper galleon]

for gunker, there is no reason not to use EP or warp charges with warp weaponry

[half iron]

dd stands for dsuper dswagasfuck

[upper galleon]

basically get double damage

LOL

dude stop

[eager mantle]

I'm talking about which is the shittest node

[upper galleon]

stop this weird exaggeration

me when that revolver vet from the earlier example guns down all my blue marked enemies

😭

[eager mantle]

Have you ever used DD?

[half iron]

kill faster. pretend it’s release warp charges

[upper galleon]

I used it a few times, on gunker, it's fine, basically a vet keystone

for caster? which is my favorite way to play psyker cause I signed up to play space wizard

[eager mantle]

So opinion discarded

[upper galleon]

no, I swapped back to charges and EP

[limber silo]

Okay, what do you call it when you can get at max stacks 15% damage, 30% crit damage, and 37.5% weakspot damage all from a single node?

[upper galleon]

crit and weakspot damage calculate poorly

terribly poorly

so, about, 50% more damage, if you are at max charges, and hit a crit weakspot?

[eager mantle]

OK. We're talking about gunker though.

[upper galleon]

i'm not tho?

[limber silo]

If you do some basic math, a 100 damage hit would become a 205 damage hit

on a crit weakspot which is easy enough to get

[upper galleon]

if you don't know

how weakspot and crit damage

bonuses calculate

you need to stfu

and leave

[magic hull]

20 bulwark and 10 bombers and shitload of elites spam

[potent echo]

DD also gives 1% damage per stack

[upper galleon]

weakspot and crit damage only apply to the damage bonus of weakspot and crit respectively

[limber silo]

You're right, I am not accounting for base bonuses given by weapons and the rest of the pssyker tree, my bad DD is even better than I said

[eager mantle]

Director working as intended...or maybe not. This is a fatshark game

[potent echo]

its still something

you can effectively divide the bonuses by half and you get the actual bonus (kind of)

[upper galleon]

it is not

double damage

[upper galleon]

more like 1/4th to 1/3rd

[potent echo]

depends on weapon

IAGs have high finesse

[upper galleon]

it's not even your fault for not knowing

[potent echo]

assail does too

[upper galleon]

fatshark is dumb

[limber silo]

are you accounting for the actual crit chance of weapons?

Vraks mk 3 can pump out about an 80% crit chance just with true aim if you're decent at hitting headshots

[upper galleon]

wtf do you mean crit chance