psyker-class

[strong gulch]

Mercy killer + bleeding talent isn't the worst thing ever. It's isn't as good as uncanny strikes + flesh tearer tho

[lethal helm]

I usually run auric and do fine. I used to run chainsword with movement blessing but knife was much faster and safer

[feral verge]

Also, I don't have god tier fps aim, and I do absolutely fine aiming for heads in melee, in this game

[lethal helm]

just kill speed not great atm lol

[feral verge]

It's not really difficult or taxing

[meager moon]

I have mercy killer and flesh tearer, before I had flesh tearer and lacerate. I think things died faster with double bleed somehow

[lethal helm]

thanks for the help

[feral verge]

You're welcome

[lethal helm]

asking stuff in here is always gets me good responses. you regulars are great <3

[feral verge]

Flesh tearer lacerate is seen as a meme here, and most "experts" will rate you clown emoji for unironically running it

Uncanny strike is the way

[upper sun]

the guide pretty much has everything anyone here could say

shame zealot doesnt have a similar guide

[strong gulch]

If you're not getting weakspots, then double bleed probably would.

Knife is a finesse weapon tho.

That being said, if you like something, then run that.

[meager moon]

Shit I'm a dumbass, the knife i'm referring to is on my zealot, not my psyker

But yea I usually run whatever seems fun idc about meta

[feral verge]

Especially on zealot it's seen as a meme

@amber vine has several flesh tearer lacerate memes

[meager moon]

What's the meme

[feral verge]

It's seen as the "I'm throwing" knife load out

[amber vine]

I HAVE BEEN SUMMONED

[strong gulch]

I've got a clutch of meme weapons, and I'm going to keep using them. 👍

[feral verge]

He wants to see the flesh tearer lacerate memes

[meager moon]

Who tf throws their own matches

[meager moon]

Lmao these are great I'm saving these

[feral verge]

Many people are unaware they're throwing their own matches

[feral verge]

They'll have difficult games where nothing is dying, and they might assume that their team sucked, or they were just unlucky, or that the game is very difficult. Not the case, USUALLY. Sometimes they actually think they're doing fine, but if you watch their gameplay, it takes them 3 and a half hours to kill anything--they don't realize that shit can, and should be dying faster

[amber vine]

the irony of knife clutches is this: would have you even needed to clutch with a different weapon?

[meager moon]

Fair points

I mainly run heavy sword and I can definitely kill hordes faster with that but since I like to play as a "bodyguard" in aurics the speed of the knife feels really good, lets me get to a separated teammate and pop chorus super quickly

[wheat seal]

Any opinion on these builds ?

https://imgur.com/a/bANDpoU

[half turtle]

seems fine probably

i like taking the 5% crit node above kinetic deflection on fire trauma

and not a big fan of kinetic flayer or battle meditation generally

but these builds will work

[wheat seal]

I'm looking for fairly reliable builds, because several times now I've used a lot of resources following a build and in the end the build isn't very good

Actually I'm using build from this guy, working good for now

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9af82ff6-c683-4ba4-9a84-41c85e27b845/voidstrike-and-assail-psyker

[half turtle]

i think the only thing here (in the other builds you posted earlier) i think is "bad" rather than just taste is kinetic flayer

but it's not a huge deal and it's fun so whatever

[mild merlin]

voidstrike dumpstat ?

[mild merlin]

hopefully quell speed

[half turtle]

i think quell speed is fine to dump on void, it generates relatively low peril anyways

[mild merlin]

charge rate i think since i rarely charge it much i just spam

[half turtle]

hmm it does get a bit stronger if you charge, i don't think charging it is awful

i think the damage 2.5xs between 0 -> full charge? i don't actually remember the exact number

[mild merlin]

thank god this exists

[vocal cliff]

I love psykers tree

except for the fact I HAVE to take mind in motion just to get to that toughness node

[half turtle]

yes i always take this on every build

[half turtle]

could just run bb or smite instead of assail

ngl tho that's actually one of the reasons i hate running assail

[vocal cliff]

Yeah, but I'm speaking in terms of if I choose assail for something like gunspyker

[half turtle]

fair

yes mind in motion is basically the least useful perk on the tree

because sliding exists

[vocal cliff]

Makes me enjoy running BB for the fact I don't have that devilish filler node clogging my point

[half turtle]

i do wish BB felt better

[mild merlin]

i love bb

[half turtle]

well it's very satisfying when it pops, and very effective in certain situations

but it feels extremely bad when there's 6 gunners and your teammates only shoot exactly the one you're bursting 6 times in a row

[prime elk]

"oh there's the blue glow effect, better shoot that one!"

[half turtle]

it would be nice if rmb wasn't 50% slower than lmb

so i could just swap targets without losing charge

[ornate hamlet]

I wouldn't lose sleep over the charge being stuck in place if the enemy dies to something else

If you get robbed at 70% charge, your next BB starts at 70% and so on

[half turtle]

ok but imagine the brain burst instapop setup meta

where you get it to 90% on some random poxwalker your allies are hitting and just hold it

[blissful pulsar]

Ohhh I just tried to remake my void staff to get a better one

[half turtle]

do you have a surge 4

[ornate hamlet]

Surge time

[blissful pulsar]

I do

I just got it today :D

[half turtle]

nice job

[blissful pulsar]

So I replace barrage with surge and ranged damage with flak?

[mild merlin]

i have shitty quell speed too lol

[blissful pulsar]

This is my old one

[half turtle]

yeah or carapace if you want to try the crusher crit 1shs bp

[mild merlin]

lmao

[blissful pulsar]

I also got this one, almost want to use it to match it with my dagger

[mild merlin]

ahahha

[half turtle]

hmm i have a lacerate/uncanny knife i like a lot

light spam body shot bosses and meat ogryns for bleed, pushattack headshot crushers for single anti armor

probably meh dps wise overall but i like having the versatility

[harsh urchin]

40% damage

[wind wadi]

D U M P S T A T

[magic hull]

if thats real that thing is more rare than a meta sword

[wind wadi]

it's my souvenir. im putting it over my fireplace

[wind spruce]

And never moving it

Geddit

[zealous oak]

Is the Voidstrike supposed to blow you up if you charge it and then fire at 100%?

Everything else that uses peril you can fire without exploding if you started charging it before ~97%, right?

[harsh urchin]

the peril mechanic

kills you if you try to go above 100%

[zealous oak]

Flame staff, smite, BB

[harsh urchin]

it also depends on consumption

if it raises peril THEN attacks

vs it if attacks and raises peril at the same time

[near drift]

You can hold the charge at 100% all day but it gonna blow up if you let the ball fly at 100%

[zealous oak]

Well I guess it turns out all the things I've been using so far have behaved the nice way, and I just assumed everything did

[harsh urchin]

usually channelled things you pay cost first then attack

[half turtle]

the thing that kills you is clicking a button above 97%

generally

[harsh urchin]

whereas VS you pay cost when you shoot it

[half turtle]

you can charge things forever at 100% without exploding but when you click to fire you explode

[zealous oak]

yeah I get it now, thanks chums

[half turtle]

this is why brain burst lmb doesn't kill you as long as you start it under 97

even though the "cost" of bb spikes at the end

[sharp sand]

what makes psyker good, thinking about starting a new character after playing veteran

[sacred wolf]

Ey buds, have no real clue what I'm doing as a psyker so is there anything I should change here?

[zealous oak]

you want crit % on Purgatus

the +dam only applies to the normal damage, not the burn

critting applies 2 stacks of burn rather than 1

[sacred wolf]

crit % considered more important then?

asking the obvious lmfao

just funky to hear considering thats not usually the case with the other classes weapons

[zealous oak]

ye, it's an oddity

[proven crest]

lotta killing power, lotta crowd control, lot of utility

[wind wadi]

all without relying on ammo nearly as much

(not at all if using a staff)

[proven crest]

very versatile class

only issue is that you have less of a fuckup threshold

[wind wadi]

leveling a psyker sucks though tbh

[sacred wolf]

It's definitely a different kind of gameplay comparitive to zealot/vet

[zealous oak]

if you try to roll a different Purgatus, the Burn stat breakpoint for max stacks is at 76%

[wind wadi]

although i leveled mine before the skill tree update so that may not be as big a thing any more

[proven crest]

once you get assail a lot of the pain goes away imo

[wind wadi]

makes sense

[proven crest]

worst part is how unrepresentative low roll staffs are of like, actual lvl 30 psyker gameplay

[sacred wolf]

Well I am at 78% already so I assume I've hit that right?

[zealous oak]

yarp

[proven crest]

but like, a gunker build can get off the ground very quickly

[sacred wolf]

is +carapace the other perk the staff should have?

really confuses me that that seems to be what peeps are using on the community builds

[grand charm]

whats the difference between the trauma force staff and the void force staff?

[wind wadi]

trauma is ground circle, voidstrike is a sphere that goes in a straight line

[proven crest]

trauma puts puddles on the ground at short to medium range that knock things over

[sacred wolf]

1 goes boom 1 goes pew

[proven crest]

voidstrike just kills things at any range, with okay crowd control

[near drift]

voidstrike is for Wii bowling enthusiasts

[sacred wolf]

just remember to right click or the trauma and void staffs end up having more similarities then you expect

[grand charm]

i am the wii bowling enthusiast

[wind wadi]

ogryn is the bowling ball

[sacred wolf]

that seems like a fat joke

kinda BM

[proven crest]

can't wait for ogryn to unlock psyker as a throwable

[wind wadi]

ogryn literally has a penance called "gone bowling" where you get a big strike

[sacred wolf]

I've always wanted the psyker platform for ogryns

[sacred wolf]

and it seems I was the ignant one...

[dusk sierra]

I think for Surge I keep and change perks to flak/crit? Charge rate and damage are a shame but the blessings are sick. Trauma I just take rending off that. Am I off?

Melk has finally blessed me with some good shit

[zealous oak]

I don't know why they'd bother tbh, it's shit vs cara. I have unarmoured on mine because that's just what it came with, but I don't really think it matters; so little of the dam is direct.

[grand charm]

which ability should i get 🤔

[sacred wolf]

I'm glad to hear my thinking was on the same page then lmao. appreciate the help bb 😉

[wind spruce]

They should genuinely implement the ogryn picking up an overloading psyker and throwing them

Oh the memes

[sacred wolf]

I'd toss them off the edge like palpatine all to often

I think

[wind spruce]

Valid response

[sacred wolf]

U can even shoot lightning on the way down like he did lmfao

[wind spruce]

And implement the psykers head actually exploding

Giblets everywhere

[sacred wolf]

Ooo that's another good one lmfao.

Although I think tossing a psyker is like tossing a foam noodle in the mix

[sharp sand]

best psyker voice?

can't decide if i should go female savant or male seer

i take character customization a bit too seriously

[wind spruce]

Tbf you're stuck with the voice forever, it's the most important choice

Even your height you can change (on pc)

[prime elk]

voice lines are important too

i like the schizo psyker

[frail harness]

I like the German Psyker but he can be kind of a negative Nancy at times. His sass makes me laugh. Mostly I can't stand the other two options

[prime elk]

is that the one complaining about the imperium all the time?

[frail harness]

Yeah I think so

[magic kayak]

is the one on the left a better base to start with?

[prime elk]

i prefer schizo psyker since he's just having a dream

[frail harness]

Dream Psyker annoys the hell out of me. Idk what it is

[magic kayak]

1% less crit, but more warp resistance and charges rate? slightly lower quell

[prime elk]

might be the voice

[frail harness]

Yeah the vaguely high sounding voice is part of it

[prime elk]

both are decent tbh

if you upgrade warp nexus on the left one, and replace stam with crit chance, it'll be better than the one on the right, but it's not a huge difference

[prime elk]

yeah understandable

[wind spruce]

The one on the left for sure, upgrade nexus and change stam as has been said

[viral granite]

thoughts on a head hunter ranged build?

[rapid bear]

Oh man, nice finds!

Definitely just pull Rending off that Trauma staff. You need high warp resistance, or you can't get enough hits off on that damned staff.

Surge, I'd probably go with Flak/Crit, yeah, until you can find something that's better. You'll suffer a bit from the lower charge rate, and obviously you'll find better damage and crit bonus too, eventually. Quell Speed is definitely the dump stat for surge. Perfect blessings, though!

[wind spruce]

The difference between 60% and 80% charge rate is less than 0.1s

[dusk sierra]

ty! Right now I have a blazing spirit staff so I was thinking for a second staff w rending - I'll pull it off. my surge rn that I use, I might just grab it anyways for T4 Nexus or Flurry. thanks again, appreciate it!

[magic kayak]

rending is really good on trauma though

rending and warp flurry is amazing, but blaze staff is fun also of course

[proven crest]

i've tried to make it work, kinda painful on psyker in my experience, although maybe i just haven't found the secret sauce

none of your toughness regen stuff really synergizes with head hunters

so you generally rely on soulstealer + assail

[viral granite]

true I was looking at the far right bottom skill tree for the bonuses off of headshots

[proven crest]

but the relatively slow draw time of headhunters makes it feel less comfy than if you were using a laspistol or something

you don't get innate suppresion immunity either, which really sucks on headhunters

so you either have to burn a blessing on suppression immunity

or use telekenetic shield

or just accept that sometimes you won't be able to do your job

yeah, it sucks cause, like, numerically psyker synergises with head hunters really well

[viral granite]

hmmm true ah I struggle cause I want it to work even though I dont have the stuff to make it work

[proven crest]

it's just there's a lot of ancilliary stuff that supports the headhunter playstyle that you don't think about until you don't have them

i recommend trying it out though, maybe it will click for you

the other thing is ammo can be kinda painful on headhunters, less so on infantry lasguns

which can also fill the sniper role

[viral granite]

hmm I have liked the dueling sword when used with the headhunter for phsycher for max head pops but I think Im struggling cause I never have any toughness gen I think If I move some things around I might be able to make it work to a point

[proven crest]

dome shield might be the saving grace honestly

what with the toughness regen

[viral granite]

I was looking at it since I will be useing the brain burst as a elite hunter

[proven crest]

but i kinda feel you want warp charges on shield

but maybe it would be fine with just disrupt destiny

brain burst feels redundant to me

armored elites die to dueling sword, non armored elites die to headhunter

plus, if you go brainburst, you're REALLY not gonna have any toughness regen

like, literally none outside of shield

[viral granite]

Hmm true so I will pass on that haha

[proven crest]

have you tried laspistol assail psyker?

probably my favorite build, and it at least somewhat scratches that precision weapon itch

[viral granite]

I have not I used the snub for a bit but that low ammo count was a killer tbh

[proven crest]

here, i'll link you a build

[wind spruce]

Laspistol assail is so underrated

[proven crest]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9b308441-405f-4b18-af60-141b0d81e701

probably my favorite build in the game

[wind spruce]

Doing the rapid switch back and forth, two shards, then las pistol shots, repeat is addictive

[hollow current]

It's like having two ranged weapons.

[proven crest]

there are different ways to build it, i prefer vent over scriers, but you'll want to try both

[wind spruce]

I prefer scriers tbh

[proven crest]

the combo for elite clumps is prebuild peril with illisi until at 85, dump 6 stacks of soulblaze , assail until at high peril, switch to laspistol, use illisi to mop up survivors

when sniping specials and ragers throw 1-2 shards to stun them, followed up with laspistol headshots

kinetic deflection + block efficiency makes you immune to melee

empathetic evasion + ghost makes you immune to ranged

vent can be a stagger panic button

just a lot of proactive defense

i think you may have linked the same one

[wind spruce]

Oops

[viral granite]

Oh heck yeah I didn't know they had a build thing now ima start tweeking all my classes on it

[proven crest]

if the build editor were a game i'd probably have like 20 hours on it

[wind spruce]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9b308784-4f6e-48b6-939f-0db32041f8a8

Las pistol scriers

You can drop a few talents for one with the warp and seers presence, too

[wind spruce]

I find block efficiency unnecessary with +3 stam as that increases KD efficiency way more

[proven crest]

there's nothing more fun than proccing scriers, disrupt destiny and mettle all at the same time

you just zoom

[wind spruce]

It's like crack

Spitting out shards while in scriers is chef's kiss

The #1 tip for any assail las pistol build is the weaving though. Two shards, switch to las pistol for a few shots, switch back for two shards and so on

[proven crest]

it's totally unnecessary, but it is also a significant buff

it's mostly for the "what if all my slots are occupied by ragers" hypothetical

plenty of other legitimate choices

[wind spruce]

I mean there's two other choices, health and toughness

I like the 3 stam for a lot of QoL reasons

[proven crest]

revive speed, combat ability regen, stamina regen, sniper resist, spring efficiency and ordo dockets are all acceptable choices imo

but like, it's all so miniscule, doesn't really matter all that much

[wind spruce]

Those don't compete with stam

[proven crest]

are we talking about the same thing?

i'm talking about curio perks

[wind spruce]

+3 stam increases your efficiency with kinetic deflection more than 3 × 12% block efficiency perks

[proven crest]

that may be true, i haven't tested it, but it's also true that 3 x 12% block efficiency dramatically increases the value of kinetic deflection

independent of wether you pick a +3 stam or not

[proven crest]

also, to add on this, assail adopts the properties of the weapon you have out

[flint aspen]

in building your psyker build, is it reccommended to stick to one side of the tree instead of going generalist

[wind spruce]

Not really, no

[proven crest]

so you can stack uncanny if you switch to your weapon, or proc ghost or something else if you switch to ranged while the shards are in mid flight

[spice veldt]

depends but psyker's tree has no tax points for going sideways (at the cost of more limited options)

[proven crest]

you kind of just pick the tools you want

and cry if one of those tools is warp charges

[wind spruce]

https://outplayed.tv/media/Y0gexY

@proven crest

Significant improvement with +3 stam over 3 × 12% block efficiency

[haughty wave]

anyone of available to play? and show me what a psyker can do

[proven crest]

what is the number with +3 stam with 3 × 12% block efficiency?

[wind spruce]

Even lower

And lower still with +11 stam

[proven crest]

well, just would like to see if there are diminishing returns

[spice veldt]

the peril you gain is calculated to be 1/4th of the % stamina damage that you would take

[wind spruce]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/17jjari/why_i_think_11_stam_is_mandatory_on_psyker/ This is a meme, btw, not an actual recommendation

@proven crest

yeah theres diminishing returns

[spice veldt]

if a melee attack is to take 50% stamina, then you will gain 12.5% peril instead

if you double your max stamina, then blocking that attack would then now require 25% stamina or 6.25% peril instead

[wind spruce]

Arco is correct

[proven crest]

there's also the strategic question of "is the value i'm getting out of this actually meaningful"

being able to block ragers for 10 seconds straight is probably a signifigant improvement over 5 seconds

but the difference between 60 and 30 seconds probably wouldn't be

[spice veldt]

well if it's against ragers and you already have assail/kinetic deflection, then it's whatever anyways

since assail stagger ragers

[proven crest]

if everything goes well, yes you just kill the enemy and win

[spice veldt]

and takes 0.2s for the first shard to be thrown out (after initially pressing the attack button)

and ~0.3s for the second shard

nothing needs to go well for you to throw a shard out since its time cost is extremely minimal

i'm not talking about killing

i'm talking about staggering

staggering is when you do knockback on an enemy and whatnot

[wind spruce]

All i'm saying roman is that if you're taking block efficiency and not taking stamina you're just wasting curio bonuses

[proven crest]

sometimes there are situations where you do not have the capacity to control or kill everything being thrown at you

in those situations kd is valuable because you can just block and reposition

[proven crest]

this may be true

[wind spruce]

it is true

its objectively true because maths

[proven crest]

no

[spice veldt]

sure, but I'm saying that it's not just kinetic deflection alone

it's kinetic deflection + the other tools that you have like assail

[proven crest]

the math that's been presented has no bearing on the strategic question "how much block is enough"

[wind spruce]

Thats not what I'm saying

[wind spruce]

Read this again.

[spice veldt]

well if the question has changed then sure i'm outta here

[wind spruce]

Block efficiency without stamina is less efficient. You could take stamina and get almost as much health or toughness and have more ability to block

plus more ability to push and sprint

[proven crest]

like, you can mathematically calculate how much peril you'll generate from a plogryn charge

but that does nothing to answer the question "at what point does increasing the numeric value of kinetic deflection stop being relevant"

[wind spruce]

I wasn't addressing that question

[proven crest]

because that's the point at which continuing to invest in block efficiency becomes diminishing returns

[wind spruce]

So ok, sweet

[proven crest]

at which point your resources would be better invested in other things

[wind spruce]

btw this is the answer to your question off how much is it with stamina and 36% BE
https://outplayed.tv/media/7Y7lan

[proven crest]

thanks, neat to see the comparisons

[wind spruce]

This is +6 stam no BE
https://outplayed.tv/media/1xPK4d

So it's literally still better to have TWO stam curios than one stam curio and three block efficiency perks

[proven crest]

but then you don't get 2 tougness curios

[wind spruce]

you could replace one of the toughness with 3x5% toughness perks

thats literally my point

almost the same toughness

bonus stam

[proven crest]

not if you already have toughness on them

if you could double up on toughness perks, then yes you would be correct

it would be objectively better

[wind spruce]

ok in that one scenario sure

[proven crest]

well this whole thing got started when i linked my build, which does have 3xtoughness perks on my curios

[wind spruce]

yeah i just looked at that

no combat ability regen

[proven crest]

now, it may be that i'm incorrect in putting block efficiency on them over something like combat ability regen

i'm just saying that determining whether i'm correct or not something that can be determined mathematically by comparing block costs

like, figuring out if combat regen is better than block efficiency would be REALLY REALLY complicated

to the point where it's almost unanswerable

[wind spruce]

its not complicated, its better

[proven crest]

unless we trained an ai to evaluate hundreds of runs and create metrics comparing the two

[wind spruce]

my brother, when theres such a large difference in value you dont need to get to that level of analysis

[proven crest]

3 cdr is like 3 seconds shaved off a 30 second ult

[wind spruce]

combat abilities is incredible in so many circumstances

[proven crest]

i hope you're ulting literally on cooldown, cause if not those cdr perks are literally doing nothing

[wind spruce]

block efficiency is just OK in very few circumstances

[proven crest]

but those circumstances are also the most important

you optimize for failure states

even if those failure states are rare

[wind spruce]

mate venting shriek also helps in those same fail states

more peril for blocking. staggers enemies.

[proven crest]

at the end of the day, the point i want to drive home is that we're both arguing off of vibes here

[wind spruce]

oh what a ridiculous cop out

its not vibes, its a HUGE difference

block efficiency rarely comes into play

[proven crest]

can you quantitatively justify your preference?

[wind spruce]

CDR comes into play all the damn time

vibes and quantitative justification are not a binary

vibes implies something almost meaningless

like small differences in health and toughness pools

this is CDR. arguably one of the most important stats/bonuses in the game

[proven crest]

determining which is better: "27 vs 30 seconds for ult" vs "the ability to survive getting boxed in occasionally" is not something that can be done to the degree of confidence you're expression imo

in any case, i gotta dip, appreciate the discussion

[wind spruce]

Good chats, laters

[brisk lance]

Anyone willing to throw me a bone with a Purge build? I tried out Warp Siphon, but I have found it's not particularly useful on regular Damnation due to the relatively low Elite/Special kills that I could potentially leech off of, particularly when there is someone on the team who is on top of that shit.

[magic kayak]

yeah I've got one I use

[brisk lance]

Cool

[magic kayak]

assail for long range and horde clear from a distance, dueling sword for carapace etc, purge you use the l1 to stagger, you can use a force sword also for push back attack (block plus attack) it'll knock back even a crusher.

run n gun is nice because you can sprint forward and just light attack with purge staff and it'll stagger a whole group, its not really meant for damage, thats the alt fire (charge flame). Best bet is to get to 16 purge stacks then use venting shriek to go to 19 soul blaze on monstrosities etc

[zinc phoenix]

I don’t get going shriek if you aren’t going warp charges

[magic kayak]

the reason is that the blaze stacks arent quite worth it

[zinc phoenix]

Right but you’re going empower to boost assail (the secondary) rather than shriek spam with warp charges

🤷‍♀️

[magic kayak]

yeah because its overkill

[wind spruce]

If the blaze stacks aren't worth it there's even less reason to take shriek

[zinc phoenix]

Overkill, my beloved

[magic kayak]

shriek vents peril also

I clear damnation easily on this build

[wind spruce]

So does tapping quell for like a second

[wind spruce]

That's not relevant. You can clear damnation with a sub optimal build

[magic kayak]

you know warp charges dont effect how many stacks of soul blaze you get with venting shriek right?

it's 1-6 based on peril not warp charges

warp charges just reduces cd

[zinc phoenix]

It does effect how many times you can slam it out and how much peril you gen holding down the stick tho

And some damage

[magic kayak]

yeah but when your staff literally does up to 16 stacks of soul blaze... why does 6 matter

[zinc phoenix]

Ok, then why not shield?

[wind spruce]

Longer range. Quicker output.

[magic kayak]

then why run purge staff at all lol

[wind spruce]

That's a great question

[magic kayak]

shield doesnt do damage

[wind spruce]

Why would you, it's terrible.

[zinc phoenix]

Burgatus indeed bad

[magic kayak]

I don't use purge I use surge and trauma

but the guy asked for purgatus lol

[zinc phoenix]

Well even in your Burgatus build it’s pretty clear you want to use assail instead 😂

[magic kayak]

haha its either that, brain burst, or smite...

[wind spruce]

Look tbh the build is fine

[magic kayak]

the warp charges just really never did much for me

assail shores up the biggest weakness of purg build, which is range

[wind spruce]

Your answer to oddball could've just been because venting shriek is still good and you want to power up your assail for medium/long range targets

[brisk lance]

Alright, fine, Purg bad, but I don't like Void and I can't make Trauma work despite putting in work to learn and emulate what is supposed to make it work. So... not a lot of options here that isn't SG+Columnus.

[magic kayak]

I don't think purg is bad. I think the build I posted actually is a really good rounded build

[wind spruce]

Norris purg is fine if you wanna run it g

[zinc phoenix]

Smite surge the power move

[magic kayak]

no its not trauma or surge, but its still very viable

I was running smite surge but switched to bb

[brisk lance]

You know what? I got 5 million and 80k Plasteel to burn. Throw some Surge builds, including weapons, my way.

[wind spruce]

If you wanna run purg run purg, we're just being try hard meta chasers when we say it's bad

Something has to be the worst

And atm it's purg staff

[magic kayak]

I think 2 worst staffs are void and purg. @ me lol

[wind spruce]

That's the concensus

[magic kayak]

And I've loved purg since day 1. Still love it but I know in the scheme of things it just isnt as good

some people swear by void though

[wind spruce]

Check the psyker builds channel for atlasundeads build

[zinc phoenix]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9b30a171-ed53-468f-beb7-bf4f5116ae0d

[magic kayak]

thats what I'm running

the most important part is inner tranquility frankly

[zinc phoenix]

Linked you the uncontroversial smite surge. The last two points can be spent on wildfire empathic evasion or perfect timing. Both are viable imo

[brisk lance]

Thanks.

[wind spruce]

Idk if I agree with no mettle and perfect timing being uncontroversial

[magic kayak]

Yeah I swap between the 5% crit and empathic evasion on mine

lol yeah and smite is pretty debatable as actually being good

[zinc phoenix]

There’s two spare points, I don’t consider it mandatory so I leave it as a choice for people

[magic kayak]

it does shit dmg, it just freezes everything in place, and frankly many times it just delays the inevitable

[wind spruce]

Although I'd swap out something for quietude for sure in mine, my bad on that

Yeah I left two points free in my screenshot aswell

[zinc phoenix]

What

[magic kayak]

I was using smite almost exclusively for awhile there but I've swapped it out and find the games much smoother now

[wind spruce]

You probably just got better at the game.

[zinc phoenix]

Smite is incredibly strong. Mass stagger on demand with no loss of weapon power is pretty ridic

[wind spruce]

Smite is good. Yes, people overuse it. It's still broken af.

[magic kayak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbmpsGODo6k&t=1297s

lol watch this, the guy actually brings up some solid points I was noticing as well

[wind spruce]

I like tanner but he's not right about this.

[magic kayak]

I don't think he's 100% right either

I feel like some points make sense in certain situations but otherwise I think smite easily gives your team breathing room when they need it

but I also agree you could just be killing those mobs instead

[zinc phoenix]

You aren’t supposed to hold down smite, you tag it quick to stagger everything then swap to melee and get to stabbing

[magic kayak]

if I'm using surge staff, I can just eletrotherapy abunch of ragers or crushers in front of me, 3 at a time and do dmg. With Trauma I can just stagger them all / knock them down

[wind spruce]

Even if you do hold it down all damn game

[magic kayak]

but the unlimited power...

[wind spruce]

There's still three other people DPSing

[magic kayak]

well, you HOPE they are haha

[wind spruce]

I'm not suggesting that

But the whole "you could be damaging thing" does this make sense

Does your whole team fall apart when your one man down?

[magic kayak]

if you're in a decent group I'd totally use smite more often but I almost exclusively play solo

[ornate hamlet]

I remember seeing this "smite damage is underrated" post on Reddit and then the fucking guy uses fire shriek

[magic kayak]

sadly, sometimes yes

[orchid shadow]

What is the mod that allows you customize the color of your peril and charge gauge?

[wind spruce]

Must be smites fault

[zinc phoenix]

It’s incredibly strong pugging. Smite surge has total control over game state and can stagger everything at will

[wind spruce]

Peril Gauge

[onyx sentinel]

Does surge staff hits weakpoints

For the purpose of true aim

[zinc phoenix]

Not in any way reliably

[magic kayak]

it used to but not anymore, its mostly crit centered now

[onyx sentinel]

Man

[orchid shadow]

Hmm.. I'm not seeing any option for color. And I have the most recent version.

[wind spruce]

Oh my bad

[zinc phoenix]

Even in t5 mael with weakened monstrosities and nurgle blessing smite surge can output a ton of damage while also controlling game state. Trauma suffers in that scenario and void is tunnel vision hard. Gunker goes hard tho

[wind spruce]

It's crosshair HUD that can do it

[orchid shadow]

Ahh, thanks!

[magic kayak]

Yeah gunker is legit. void is definitely problematic in an situation where you cant funnel enemies into a hallway...

[onyx sentinel]

I ran assail with EP and it’s unironically better to use assail half the match than swapping to my void staff, pretty sure those 4 out of 4 auric runs was mostly assail damage lmao

[magic kayak]

exactly, that's why my earlier purg build uses assail and EP

[zinc phoenix]

But then why bother with Burgatus when you could gunker

[magic kayak]

purg is mostly for stagger up close, horde clear, and put some dps on thing lol then assail again

there literally is no reason from a logic standpoint to use purg, its simply if you want to set the world on fire haha

but cant forget the rule of cool

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve been doing that weird lasgun assail thing Pygex posted… idk what he sees in it but I do like flashlights

[magic kayak]

lol I was checking out some gunker builds... not sure which gun to go with

[zinc phoenix]

Col IAG and it’s not even close

[wind spruce]

id rather run disrupt destiny and have all my damage sources buffed. its incredibly easy to keep up stacks with void + shriek

[wind spruce]

its so awkward

[zinc phoenix]

That take is flamin hot

[magic kayak]

thats only one I have I think

[wind spruce]

[zinc phoenix]

I maintain full melee zealot larper is the only correct way to run DD

[magic kayak]

I guess I have this green one also

[zinc phoenix]

Fire meme laspistol is fun with DD

It’s not good but it’s fun

[magic kayak]

Yeah I saw that vid

[wind spruce]

i agreed with this

but i am coming around to DD with shriek

point at blue man hit F

stacks stay up

[zinc phoenix]

There’s a vid? I did it back when DD came out 😂

[magic kayak]

saw one recently with it

I'll try to find it

[zinc phoenix]

I may try this

[magic kayak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPRlHGMRuHg&t=1674s ok its 3 months old lol

I think I only saw it recently though

[odd lotus]

If I'm wielding/casting/quelling with my blitz, do I still get the warp resistance/quell speed from my previously wielded weapon?

[magic kayak]

no im pretty positive everything swaps to current weapon stats

[odd lotus]

That would be my stat would be zero if I had my blitz in my hand?

[wind spruce]

shriek destiny gitgud
https://outplayed.tv/media/bQn80j

@zinc phoenix i laughed so hard just now making this

[spice veldt]

blitzes and force swords have their own quell speed stat modifier of 50%

stat modifiers from weapons do not transfer over

each weapon has their own stat modifiers, as hidden as it may be

[odd lotus]

Thank you for the response

[magic kayak]

sorry I didnt see you said with your blitz

[odd lotus]

np

[magic kayak]

the other thing you can do is put things on fire with purg and swap to melee that increases blaze stack dmg

like with slaughterer etc

[brisk lance]

Half a million dockets and 5k Plasteel later...

[magic kayak]

when you get blaze stacks up to 16, adding more stacks doesnt actually do anything so switching to melee and slicing things up is quicker kill speed and you can increase blaze stack dmg per tick with slaughterer

[wind spruce]

Nice

[magic kayak]

nice lol you'll like surge a lot more

[wind spruce]

That's a fucking amazing surge

You're only losing like 0.06s on the charge rate so it really doesn't matter if it's dumped on a 379

[brisk lance]

Wanna see something even more amazing?

[wind spruce]

(And even less with flurry)

[magic kayak]

yeah thats a pog surge lol

[brisk lance]

Never settle.

Hadron might seem to be giving you a brick, but you can always gamble.

[magic kayak]

wait wtf

isnt that same staff?

[brisk lance]

It is.

I gambled and won.

[wind spruce]

He's just pointing out that it came good on the 4th upgrade

[brisk lance]

^

[magic kayak]

ahh ok yeah

Guess I need to upgrade mine now =[

looking busted in comparison haha

[elfin roost]

Perfect green Illisi moment

Time to not upgrade it so as to avoid hadron's stains

[hearty oak]

Ive actually been growing more fond of the deimos sword

[wind spruce]

@zinc phoenix this build is officially cracked

ive found my new love

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9b30bd08-c577-495e-9d70-b1a028f84f80

Alternative build is swap out empathetic evasion, ranged damage node and quietude in order to pick up Solidity. I haven't decided which I like better as of now.

[zinc phoenix]

That is pretty wacky but why not, I may try it

[wind spruce]

build definitely isnt optimised yet but so far i love it

i might just be coping not taking solidity

[untold niche]

does EE proc on crit, or when the crit lands?

[wind spruce]

When it lands

[untold niche]

ok makes sense why i didn't like EE
i foregone ee for so long forgot how it work

[magic kayak]

for auric do people generally use trauma or surge?

oh so for surge, EE sounds bad then

[orchid shadow]

People use both. Use what you like and what you're good at.

[cold ivy]

relative strengths and weaknesses in my opinion: surge doesn't need much aim and is good at quickly picking off single targets, trauma has clunkier aim (since you're aiming a circle on the ground) and is good at damaging/knocking down high density

in stuff like melee only maelstroms where you have to fight nonstop rager/mauler/crusher packs i'd favor trauma slightly, but the basically braindead specialist-killing power of surge is also always good to have

[untold niche]

was a fun ride guys
maybe i will join back in 1 week when i can't find anything else to playh

[lethal lagoon]

Also been losing interest. Havent played at all since I've been grinding that pokemon shit.

[orchid shadow]

Palworld? How is that? I have that and Enshrouded installed, but I haven't touched them yet.

[lethal lagoon]

I hate valheim and arc. I played both, didnt like it all. Palworld is like if you take everything annoying out of those two games, combined them, and added pokemon.

It's fucking amazing.

[untold niche]

oh yeah palworld
hmmm. it just seems like ark but different visuals.
apprently its very tedious to tame stuff in ark

i might try it too.

idk this game, the last 5% - 10% of skill i can't really be bothered to reach
i feel pubs suck because they are casuals but somehow still want to play the hardest difficulty (which tbh isn't that hard provided you have the build)
got very tired, and the gameplay is getting repetitive.

[lethal lagoon]

Ive spent the last 20 hours trying to breed the perfect pal.

There's about 80 hours of solid content for normal humans. Amazing for EA.

[untold niche]

actually i might just buy it now xD

[lethal lagoon]

More when you count playing with friends, which will be basically my whole weekend lmao

[orchid shadow]

I haven't actually played a pokemon game.. ever. So I'm hoping that Palworld might be more up my alley.

[untold niche]

tekken 8, steve has some bug, so im waiting for it to be fixed before i buy it
i preordered helldivers2

[lethal lagoon]

It is "action" so it's not really pokemon in that sense.

[untold niche]

payday 3, they say there is going to be big changes

[lethal lagoon]

It's just capturing and ensalving cute crittiers

[untold niche]

yeah i think those kind of game good to play with friend
:D

atlas how many hours do you ahve in DT?

[lethal lagoon]

So I would have DT up while I worked from home to sneak in a game, so my hours are nonsense, but lemme check.

1.4k

But it's really not accurate

It's much less

[untold niche]

even if you halved it its still a considerable amount

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, for sure.

Ask me how many hours I have in palworld that came out this week

[untold niche]

my best/worst record was 1k hours per year for tf2, for 4 years
Imo final hours isn't that big of a deal. its much you play within a certain timespan

most people who play dota prob have 10k+ just off how old that game is

im guessing like 40+

[lethal lagoon]

95

[orchid shadow]

I hate taking a peek at the play time I have in some games. I always have to imagine what kind of skills I'd have if I put those hours into something... useful. 😛

[lethal lagoon]

[untold niche]

i mean, pick your poison
if you are not a person that by nature is super into whatever your work of field is you are bound to spend your time on entertainment.

[lethal lagoon]

I play video games a lot when I'm tied down to other obligations and can't commit to anything. So I never really mind.

[untold niche]

开心就好

[lethal lagoon]

That said, spending highschool with a year+ of playtime on one WoW character is a bit of a regret. Even more when you count the others. I basically went to the gym after school and then played WoW till bed for years.

[grizzled jasper]

I regret playing video games

Should’ve focused more on coding

[lethal lagoon]

Meh, who knows what would have been useless.

[near wyvern]

Never too late. Coding is quite easy to pick up.

[lethal lagoon]

Coding is absolutely oversaturated atm, esp since everyone wants to work from home.
Still, my cousin who's fairly high up pretty much only hires from coding boot camps atm, a lot of companies do,
So any decade+ regrets can be undone in a couple of months of hardwork.

So never a point in regretting not doing coding or something

You can do it now.

[orchid shadow]

My smooth animator brain cannot seem to grasp some coding concepts, like the stupid open / closed brackets at the end of lines.

[lethal lagoon]

A lot of compilers can highlight brackets so you can tell which goes with which

[plucky flax]

Notepad ++

[paper harbor]

Regular notepad 💀

[lethal lagoon]

Actual notepad

[lyric burrow]

i remember i coded in regular notepad

it was what you would expect

i forget what it was even for

[near wyvern]

Visual studio code is the best

[paper harbor]

Yes

I can’t code C# first time in Unity

However I got little experiences with Roblox Lua

[grizzled jasper]

Use ChatGPT

[lethal lagoon]

ChatGPT is a great helper if you are starting a project in a popular engine, in an established corporate area, lmao, no shot.

Like if you are making a game in unity or unreal

[paper harbor]

My brain is bad at memory and try understanding concept

[untold niche]

Imo its better to start withsomething java (while learning OOP), not too high level like python nor too low level like C
After java , move on to C to learn about datatypes and appreciate the level of abstraction you get from higher level languages and at the same time dabbling with assembly to learn how things probably get implemented under the hood.

Then when you move on to python / JS (scripting languages) everything is a fucking cakewalk
while doing assembly, you would need to understand CPU and memory / stack management as well to make sense of what its doing

[paper harbor]

I know some basic public and private in C#

I read forum someone complain learning Java is hard

Like people giving up being coder

I’m more into game designer

[untold niche]

programming fundamentals carry, i said java because you can't do lazy typing like you can in python
also python is quite abstracted, something you might not havei n other languages

like python splicing is an inbuilt feature

[paper harbor]

I actually afraid when I stop working coding I get forgotten and when I came back old code and is hard to remember what I did.

[near wyvern]

This is the way. At least that's exactly how I did it 😁

Java into python and C into C++

[paper harbor]

Say like Roblox I code some function and it caused bugs hard to fix for me and I gave up for month until I came back I forgot what’s my code does.

[untold niche]

i hate C++ fucking thing helps you type cast but htey don't tell you

very ambiguous until you read docs

[paper harbor]

There’s lot of function and combination in coding which I can’t track all of them.

And I have to read try understanding the functionality

I can’t get comprehensive

[near wyvern]

Solution: comment your code. It's better to have a bit too much than a bit too little.

Unless a function is a one liner I comment first what I need it to do at each steps and only after that I actually write the lines of code.

[wind spruce]

Reading this convo I was about to say the exact same thing

[untold niche]

from what i understand, thats because you are just trying to implement something in roblox.
like you are just reading that exact code and makign sense of it

it seems to me like you don't really get what you are doing

[wind spruce]

400 days played on my main "Irosk". Rip my whole teenage life

[near wyvern]

But then again you could have spent that time looking for booze and drugs.

[grizzled jasper]

Sound better

[paper harbor]

I used people in discord server and tutorial and document when coding Roblox. After I stop working being burnout I felt I have no motivation to learn further.

[untold niche]

if you dont want to do then dont do

[paper harbor]

Is that toxic positive?

[untold niche]

no, are you going to make coding your job?

[paper harbor]

Okay then is “if is too hard don’t do it, if is easy do it”

[wind spruce]

Welp... I'm an addict.

Kicked off the year after I quit wow

[paper harbor]

Is just I want get into game industry

[near wyvern]

See, should have continued playing

[untold niche]

more like after sometime you gain the wisdom of how you can try many other things that you can equally enjoy
imo its no use going with your ego and feeling bad

[untold niche]

then tough luck, make a decision if you want to suck it up or change fields.

[wind spruce]

RIP

[paper harbor]

My main goal just be game designer

I’m look out college for that

[untold niche]

consider why you want to be a game designer.
enjoyment out of consuming and enjoyment out of creating is very different

[wind spruce]

I will say that no addiction is worse than the drug related ones, and I've had a large variety. Stay online, kids.

[untold niche]

i enjoy food but i don't like to cook.
same logic is applied for games

alot of people think wow i like games, i want to create games, then they find out the process actually sucks.

[near wyvern]

Some people are prone to addictions, those who have it on gaming will soon find something else to numb their nerves. Often times something much more destructive.

That's not saying it isn't ideal to not be able to balance your life but IMO gaming is a lot safer for everyone than many alternatives.

[untold niche]

thats why i never touch drugs. im glad its strictly illegal here.

[paper harbor]

You got knowledge know about game designer what are their need?

[near wyvern]

Funding

[paper harbor]

Does that means be jack of all trade?

[lethal lagoon]

Or done both

[grizzled jasper]

Should’ve been a vtuber

[near wyvern]

But honestly it depends on the company. You should anyways understand some basic concepts so that you can make sure your ideas can be done with the resources you have.

[wind spruce]

Decriminalisation would reduce addiction. It should be legal everywhere. Everything from weed upwards is illegal here in Australia.

[untold niche]

also ,do yo uwant to be an indie dev or go work for some company

[paper harbor]

I have some envision about creating game. I watch YouTube guide “so you want be game designer”

[near wyvern]

But most companies value experience and previous projects for a game designer so in order to get there you should have made a couple games which made profit.

[paper harbor]

I watch lot multiple video commentary

[untold niche]

i doubt it will reduce addiction. but im pretty sure neither of us are bio-chem professionals

[paper harbor]

In hope Colleges does have it

[grizzled jasper]

Rn I’m just learning html and css I am baby coder

[paper harbor]

Is just I’m lacking understand how to make portfolio or creating game show them I have experiences

[untold niche]

i think in life its quite simple
if you want something you have to be willing to eat the shit it poops out
else choose somethign else ot wnat

[wind spruce]

I don't mean in an addicted individual, I mean there would be sociological changes related to stigma and accessibility of adequate treatment stemming from decriminalisation.

[untold niche]

create games you want to create, can be small projects

just some random ideas etc

[paper harbor]

Well can I use tf2 make map level design as my portfolio?

[untold niche]

here we have "houses" that if you declare to them you are addicted, you will be on their program and would not get a criminal record.
for obvious reasons the police will be notified

[untold niche]

yeap

[lethal lagoon]

If you have a way to display its popularity, I don't see why not. You might also luck out and get a Tf2 player involved in your hiring process.

[near wyvern]

Either you gotta get into a small company that makes games or you gotta release small games yourself.

2D games don't take too much time if you keep graphics simple but the only problem is a saturated market. Marketing is key to success of a game.

[lethal lagoon]

Really depends on the job/company

[hearty dagger]

What the fuck is happening in psyker chat

[untold niche]

but of course they would ask yo uto elaborate on certain aspects of the map or quesiton yo uabout it

[paper harbor]

I understand 2d is starter

I only need how to get the job

[near wyvern]

Also @paper harbor modding is also a pathway but that has 0% chance of generating income while you are doing it. The dude that made the huge Skyrim mod got hired after it was released. A company came and asked for them.

[near wyvern]

The best way to get a job in this world is to show you have experience.

[paper harbor]

Like what?

[wind spruce]

That's cool. Where are you from?

[untold niche]

dont want to reveal that :v

[wind spruce]

Fair play.

[near wyvern]

For the thing you are applying.

If it's game making then game making experience.

[untold niche]

you could shwo your roblox mods as well

anything related to game design frankly

[paper harbor]

I tried make Roblox game is just solo is painful and headhurt

I try recreate gta online MC business

[untold niche]

thats why i said, consider if you really want to make games

[paper harbor]

I ran some@bugs

[near wyvern]

3d games take a shit ton of time unless you do asset flips which no one values

[paper harbor]

Bugs hard to solve

[near wyvern]

Start with 2d

[paper harbor]

Like just grab free model?

[grim inlet]

outside of completing 200 missions, i just got all of the psyker class and redacted penances complete 😎

[untold niche]

its usually easy to solve bugs if you can generate logs

goodluck when you need to stare at your regex statement for 5 hours wondering why it doesn't work

[paper harbor]

Doesn’t show error

Is just not working

[near wyvern]

Yes. But even then, start with 2d start with something simple. If you have never coded before start with something like snake. Then maybe a platformer game where the character "runs" towards the right all the time.

After that you can try to make a smaller proper 2d game and if it's good just release it, even for free.

[paper harbor]

I do understand error log just click red text and it show me the line

[untold niche]

you can print out stuff yourself to see what is happening so y ou can debug too

[paper harbor]

Am not sure does that make game company believe me use Roblox as game making

[untold niche]

don't have to just depend on the automatically generated errors

[near wyvern]

A lot of the concepts you do in 2d carry over to 3d, it's just that the work load and possible bugs grow exponentially when you go from 2d go 3d

[near wyvern]

Don't use Roblox use either Unity, Unreal or Godot.

[paper harbor]

Man that is pain

[near wyvern]

Godot is pretty easy and lightweight

[paper harbor]

I try 2d i made like sprite move left and right

You sure

[untold niche]

ngl, pygex i really think you are a patient person

[paper harbor]

How’s the code like?

[untold niche]

i think you are really patient person*

[near wyvern]

I hunt so I have to be 😅

[near wyvern]

Godot code is very similar to Python

[paper harbor]

Average said python is require abstract

[near wyvern]

They have their own called GDScript but it's essentially Python with some things put in their to make sense in a game engine

[untold niche]

no i mean python abstract alot of stuff for you, so you don't need to understand/figure out how it works

[paper harbor]

Hmmm

What abstract?

[untold niche]

ok this is the best way i can explain
You know how multiply is sort of + x a number of times?
e.g. 2*3 is 2 + 2 + 2

[near wyvern]

Average said python is abstract because it doesn't require typing which will make debugging a bigger project a hell.

[paper harbor]

I see

[untold niche]

not only because of that, that is one aspect yeah

[near wyvern]

But GDScript does have typing.

[untold niche]

dude when i went from java to python

and python had splicing

i was like holyshit

[paper harbor]

I never understand the word

[untold niche]

list splicing is a feature

[paper harbor]

Ahuh

[untold niche]

like uh
mylist = ['a','b','c']

in python you can do mylist[1,2] and it returns you b and c, or mylist[-1] and it returns you the last element, c

[paper harbor]

…

[untold niche]

whats with the reply?

[paper harbor]

I don’t get return concept

[untold niche]

it "gives" you

[paper harbor]

Return like fetch me back

Is that something?

I seen lot people use return

Or some cases

@near wyvern do I copy code typing from YouTube tutorial making 2d games?

In godot

[untold niche]

you know how 1+1 'gives" you 2?
same idea

[paper harbor]

Right

[untold niche]

thats an oversimplification and actually kind of wrong but

i never had to explain return to someone so forgive me

i guess "return" is the output

[paper harbor]

I’ll look after it

[untold niche]

thats probably more accurate

functions can have no output, aka no return.

[hasty sentinel]

if you could replace brain burst right click with something you could actually use, what would it be

[untold niche]

someone suggested making BB turn enemy into friendly

[spice veldt]

something that has the same speed as L click

and then you just buff the brain burst aspect in some way

[untold niche]

small aoe stagger :o

[spice veldt]

i'd probably attach cool stuff like that to EP instead

and then rework EP to be more interesting

[untold niche]

Ep give the staggered enemy brittle

[spice veldt]

hell yeah

cerebral lacerations

[untold niche]

o hwait i need to add the brittle

[spice veldt]

i love your illustrations

yeah, soulblaze/brittle/cerebral lacerations

cool stuff that they can attach to an EP brain burst or whatnot

[untold niche]

what is cerebra llaceration

[spice veldt]

it's an old skill that made an enemy take +25% more damage for 5 seconds on brainburst

[untold niche]

oh yeah thats good

[spice veldt]

it's basically smite's Enfeeble but on brain burst

[untold niche]

there you go, visual indicator for cerebral laceration, purple colour

[paper loom]

I cant get over how crap the shredder autopistol is after using a good columnus

[grim inlet]

might be a dumb question, but does the perk "increase ranged critical strike chance" work for the charged attacks for the force staffs?

[untold niche]

ye

[grim inlet]

thanks lad

[untold niche]

but arco

i really want the game to have less autopilot

[spice veldt]

yup

[untold niche]

this game quite auto pilotable

[spice veldt]

make talents more interesting and nerf the braindead stuff

[untold niche]

i feel you can keep the same powerlevel, but gate them behind execution, add more depth to mechanics

[spice veldt]

one of my ideas is to make quickshard a "On non-blitz weakspot hit, gain +30% shard regen speed for 1 second"

[untold niche]

thats to encourage the shard - melee swap?

[spice veldt]

yeah or shard - gun

[untold niche]

ah

[spice veldt]

and if you're already quickswapping, then this talent won't change anything

[cold ivy]

Think of "return" in the context of computer programming this way:

If someone asks you "what is 2 plus 3?", what they're really asking you is "please speak the number you get when you add 2 plus 3". The person wants you to do two things: do some kind of work (in this case, add 2 and 3), then do something with the end result of the work (in this case, speak the answer out loud).

When you ask your computer to add 2 and 3, think of the computer going into a different room (it's shy) to do the actual work.** It then "returns" to you with the number 5**. This is what "return" means. (Disclaimer: this is very simplified and does not accurately represent what is actually happening, but conceptually it matches the idea of a return value)

However, the computer doesn't know what to do with the return value. You can then tell it to do stuff with the returned value like "display the number on the monitor for me (i.e. print)" or "keep that number because I need you to do something with it later (i.e. assign to a variable)".

[untold niche]

reduce void damage by 20%, inherently have it +20% damage for 1 second after quelling
there you go, quell cancel

[spice veldt]

hell yeah

get X benefit after doing Y action

instead of passive shit like warp rider

[untold niche]

this game just needs more skill expression to be a top tier game

[near wyvern]

If you are completely new yes you should do a first example step by step copying lines and trying to understand what happens at which step

[untold niche]

maklle people work for the power and let them feel, wow im skilled and im rewarded! now im an ultra killing machine'

[spice veldt]

nah i think i'll just blitz through everything by mashing lmb with caxe brutal momentum

[untold niche]

quell + 1 more tick on slide, (not at every interval, so basically just start from quelling 2 ticks)

there, slide quell

then make quell quell less

[upper sun]

i love quail

[spice veldt]

mind in motion buff 😳

[untold niche]

if that was actualyl a thing i would defo pick up MIM

then you wouldn't even need solidity

[spice veldt]

and it'd thematic for a magic gunslinger

[untold niche]

hory shet

see

[spice veldt]

thematic + actually useful

[untold niche]

so easy to come up with ideas

that are realistic and practical.

[paper harbor]

Cool, I’m watching this video: https://youtu.be/I2ayPe3Y4D4?si=DgFF2ONT5X4zvfHz

[ornate hamlet]

I missed code talk

Yeah, start with the absolute baby steps and understand what every single thing you're doing does

I tried to learn basic shit on autohotkey by copy-pasting code and trying to figure it out and it was a disaster

[cold ivy]

i feel like the easiest way to start is with a language that doesn't have static typing

if you just want to learn the very barebones fundamentals of coding (what can a programming language do? how do loops/data structures work? how does a function work?)

[paper harbor]

Idk how I got knowing coding in Roblox

[cold ivy]

then later on you can get into more advanced stuff with better coding practices, static typed variables, that sorta stuff

[paper harbor]

Like i feel easily code as beginner in Roblox

[ornate hamlet]

One of the biggest speedbumps the new folk had in the Python class I took was mixing things

[cold ivy]

oh like concat-ing strings and numbers?

[ornate hamlet]

The teacher gave them the information that prompt returned a string and that there was a function that turned something into an integer

But some people didn't think to slap the prompt into the parse

Sometimes it takes a bit to develop the "what if" mindset, but once it's there it just snowballs

[paper harbor]

Sometime I try “what if” and code not function

Other time “i made a mess”

[cold ivy]

that's what assert isinstance() is for! but yeah having more explicit control of the variable type is eventually useful

[ornate hamlet]

For example, this nonsense

[cold ivy]

ah if you omit the parseInt it'll all go to hell

[ornate hamlet]

I declared the variable that I wanted to be the birth year, but I knew the prompt would return a string and so did a parse on the prompt

But I decided to "what if" the code

And I made a document write with a ternary

And inside that ternary I did the math the way I wanted

And if you look at where the brackets are, I made the write write up to a specific part

But then I cut it off and opened a ternary inside the ${ }

And that ternary then returned one of two strings I wanted

And it works

It looks weird as fuck, but it works because it's still a logical process that obeys the order in which things are meant to go

I just wrote it very differently

And that kind of thing is something I think is valuable

Learning how to write the same thing in several different ways is good to understand how other people write their things and how the logic of what you're writing works

Because anyone can go "oh, print prints something between the parentheses", but then you can stretch that further and many people find that stretching uncomfortable because what they did was already working just fine

It's the difference between applying a math formula and understanding why the formula is the way it is and how you can flip it around

It's also why high school kids can have trouble converting units, which blew my mind when I learned at the university that the units are also following math logic

15g/cm³ is literally coming from 45g/3cm³

You do the number part and keep the letters

You can create "new" units flipping the existing units around

You can create a unit that's cm³/g by just making the equation volume/mass instead of mass/volume

3m x 3m x 3m is 27m³ because it's also m x m x m

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hello-cat-peek-cat-door-cat-peek-door-gif-17361470248875227911

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lurking-gif-22179921

[urban sandal]

ah yes

just your normal psyker chat talk

[radiant frigate]

chat means cat in french

[ornate hamlet]

I had a bad time in high school tbh

[cold ivy]

this may be work habits speaking, but the stuff i prioritize in code is:

1. try to avoid repeating the same operation more than once
2. every intermediate step should be saved to a variable so it can be inspected
3. variable names should be self-explanatory

so the code ends up looking very simple

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/backflip-cat-backflip-cat-cute-gif-26462939

[ornate hamlet]

There were some attempts to actually do interesting stuff

But I was so overloaded by having like 17 or 19 idfk subjects

I didn't give a shit about learning when almost every single one of those pricks was giving me homework to do after I spent almost 12 hours away from home

Golly gee, I sure feel like learning when waking up 6 AM and only coming home past 6 PM because of a daily traffic jam that makes the bus take over an hour to reach my stop

At least I'm reaching my midlife crisis and have a motorcycle now

[radiant frigate]

and the ol' "my subject is the most important one, dedicate yourself to it" that every one of them did, i presume?

[ornate hamlet]

I don't remember if they were that pretentious, but they could have some skewed views of what teenagers could do

My guess is that the feeling of "if I had a shitty time growing up, so should you" was prevalent there tho

Adults loved hiding behind that and "when life is shitty for you, suck it up because that's a thing called responsibility"

They'd probably think having kidney stones is an achievement because they put more effort into pissing than everyone else

I dunno

[elfin roost]

"Bottle up your emotions and suffer for your entire life because that's the right way to live"

[spice veldt]

i'm not piss-pilled 😔

my kidney stone-less ass

(drink your water)

[ornate hamlet]

tfw you aren't responsibly pissing polished salt stones

[elfin roost]

"Remember, the more you want it to end, the better your life is"

[radiant frigate]

hydration is key

[ornate hamlet]

The adult that talks about unnecessary hardship building responsibility when you tell them to build theirs by slamming their head on the wall

https://tenor.com/view/stare-gif-1884840640477951451

anyway, I have a date with the benadryl hat man

[radiant frigate]

so what if the illusion's a little bit vicious? builds character

[ornate hamlet]

the shamans of old worshipped the raven, the bear and the wolf

but we in the tiktok generation know two things

hot chip and benadryl hat man

if I take my pills then the entire Darktide server gets erased

I don't want that

sometimes I wish you guys were real

[onyx sentinel]

how do you use the darktide blitz ability Smite

feels like it's just faster to kill hordes with my ds4 instead

[cold ivy]

personally i'd use it against a room full of crushers/maulers at close range if i don't have a staff that can handle them

[radiant frigate]

personally i wouldn't use it

[spice veldt]

it's good but in a mindnumblingly boring way

[strong gulch]

Think of smite in terms of utility or as a pause button.

[winter siren]

smite is psyker version of preacher

but it doesnt give toughness

[flint aspen]

hot damn dueling swords are fun

[paper loom]

anyone tried axe? is this worth a go? its in melks

[feral verge]

not worth

caxe (combat axe) wants brutal momentum and decimator/headtaker for blessings

[paper loom]

OK ty mate

[feral verge]

yw

[wind spruce]

how does decapitator go on the caxes? i somehow just discovered this exists

[flint aspen]

I finally tried Psyker, a bit finicky but I'll get used to it

[half turtle]

i love psyker

it's finicky but part of it is bc you often have 3+ hyper-specialized tools and you need to constantly be thinking about which one to use for what situation

[radiant frigate]

i like psyker (and the occasional vet)

[half turtle]

and it is very satisfying to get into the groove of it

vet is fun too but i often feel like on vet i'm doing exactly one thing that is super-great against everything and everything else in my build is shoring that one thing up or making space so i can do that one thing

[flint aspen]

I want to use smite but I don't have the adequate gear for now

[half turtle]

obviously i am super-over-generalizing but

[half turtle]

hmm smite shouldn't have gear requirements

since you're not generally taking it for damage

[flint aspen]

So I'm stuck in brain burst which is fine but unless I yell to a groaner horde that thing do be slow

Well recently I've acquired a staff so maybe it'll ease up for me

[spice veldt]

oh no

[half turtle]

yeah i'd say unless you're running EP or at least the secondary node that makes BB faster after using F, BB is not a good primary tool for anything

it's like a sidearm

[spice veldt]

the trauma staff is bad at low ratings

it is probably the weapon with the widest stat scaling in the game

[half turtle]

it's like a long gun that one-shots most things at 100m but takes 2 seconds to shoot

[flint aspen]

I'm running the secondary node that makes BB faster for 10 secs

[half turtle]

oh yeah don't use trauma staff at level 13

[radiant frigate]

i like to bring brain burst for bosses

i have no desire to shoot a beast of nurgle for 400 damage on charged voidstrike hits

[flint aspen]

Worse, I'm at level 7 or 8 rn

[half turtle]

hmm i do think on most builds F > BB is one of the best boss dpses you have

[radiant frigate]

that's why i bring it

[half turtle]

i can't remember why i didn't take the F > BB perk actually

[radiant frigate]

plus it is occasionally useful to take down a bomber or trapper that runs off and you can't line up a shot

[half turtle]

oh it's because i wanted to try 6 warp charges

[radiant frigate]

i always do 0 warp charges

[half turtle]

yeah BB is really great for "snap shotting" a special that just runs by

[flint aspen]

So rn just keep using a gun until level 13

[half turtle]

well don't use it on mutants it takes 2 shots to kill mutants

[radiant frigate]

swords for mutants, magic for snipers

[midnight jolt]

I still love my taxe:

[flint aspen]

I'll probably stick to BB until I'm at a high enough level

[half turtle]

BB is a pretty solid blitz imo

although i know a lot of people hate it

[midnight jolt]

I don't think people hate it TBH

[spice veldt]

i absolutely hate it

[midnight jolt]

Combined with double wall shields is great

[half turtle]

hmm i have not used wall shields ever since i learned that dome is bugged and stops mutants for free

[plucky flax]

People have a much more divisive opinion on smite.

[midnight jolt]

it doesn't? walls stop every special

[half turtle]

do people actually think smite is bad?

[half turtle]

so walls stop every special but it eats wall hp to do so, dome just stops mutants for free for some reason (but no other specials)

it's bizarre and i'm 90% sure it's a bug

[plucky flax]

Yes

[flint aspen]

I don't trust randoms enough for me to use smite

[half turtle]

dang usually all the smite discourse i see is "someone on my team had smite and the auric maelstrom felt like heresy" or whatever

[midnight jolt]

yeah but you have 2 charges, is just too funny to throw a wall in front of a pack of dogs

[half turtle]

yeah i was using flatwall for a while and the two charges is def nice

[flint aspen]

Especially that my recent run was apparently a single zealot and three of us, me being a mid joiner

[grand charm]

got my first transcendent weapon 💪

[radiant frigate]

my opinion on smite is that unless i stumble upon another build that clicks with me that somehow has boss damage entirely covered, i am never going to use it

[half turtle]

but dome is easier to use and shield is like an off-thing for me generally (i usually use vent on sweaty maps)

[grand charm]

should i get an transcendent chainsaw?

[half turtle]

uhh probably eventually?

i think chainsword is fine on psyker

it's a pretty good weapon overall

[flint aspen]

psykers discovering drugs

[winter siren]

illisi is the best all round melee weap for psyker imo

[half turtle]

yeah probably

[grand charm]

what is an illisi?

[winter siren]

force sword

[half turtle]

illisi mk 5 force sword

[grand charm]

im only level 14 so i dont have that yet i think

[half turtle]

it's basically a power sword that eats peril

and is slightly faster

[flint aspen]

I keep forgetting how much people rush a lot in the easier difficulties

[half turtle]

(the other force swords work like chain weapons and get stuck, illisi just slides through)

[winter siren]

its great for horde clear, it can deal with big boys. its really good and my fave weap on psyker

[radiant frigate]

"but the other ones can onetap mutants" you might hear people say

illisi can do it in 2 and has way better horde clear

[half turtle]

i think ds4 is better if you only need to deal with elites and big boys and have a weapon that's good on hordes like flamestaff or trauma

[winter siren]

deimos is good too, but illisi is just more all rounder

[flint aspen]

dueling swords, I didn't expect them to deal that much damage

[winter siren]

obscuras is poor imo

[half turtle]

deimos h2 breakpoints are funny

[radiant frigate]

illisi is a power sword except way less carapace damage and way more maneuverability

[flint aspen]

Combined with Ogryn practically conditioning me to use heavy attacks almost all the time

[radiant frigate]

deimos h2 is just a funny attack

[winter siren]

yeah the mk4 dueling is pretty good but its pretty weak for horde

[grand charm]

the homing crystal shard attack is so fun on psyker

[half turtle]

assail is pretty good forever

[winter siren]

https://tenor.com/view/nicholas-nicholascage-bees-bite-gif-4944634

[grand charm]

i was spamming it and got beaten to death brutally by a mutant :(

[untold niche]

You got beaten by death by a mutie?

[radiant frigate]

psychic throwing knives 👍🏻

[untold niche]

To*

[radiant frigate]

happens sometimes

[grand charm]

i think so