psyker-class

[trim arch]

what’re good perks for the dueling saber?

[midnight jolt]

Penance? want to keep my warp charges? hello?

So I'm basically cutting a limb in my gameplay for that idiotic penance

[earnest laurel]

Most penances are fucking dumb. And literally make you play like a toxic asshole.

its so you buy silly hats

[strange fox]

also curious if venting shriek is worth taking ? the best use i think i can come up with it is to pair with warp siphon for spammability allowing you to constantly instantly quell peril

[earnest laurel]

hint hint

[midnight jolt]

The only times I used venting was when I really had to, like, I'm dead because peril or way surrounded

Penance, trying to keep warp charges

[deep pine]

When the game launched, after a few weeks I tried to complete some of the harder penances and immense stupidly and frustration of their design was the final straw for me.

I came back to the game a couple weeks ago and have conplety ignored anything to do with penances.

[restive slate]

Only penance I haven't completed is Zealots

Granted I completed most of them by luck when they were easier or had exploits

[midnight jolt]

Yeah, penance for warp charges been the culprit, not using active skills, just killing mostly elites with surge staff

[restive slate]

Like Ogryns Rumbler shots being considered grenades

[cold ivy]

Venting shriek's main use besides giving you 50% extra peril to play with is creeping flames - 6 stacks of warpfire from shrieking at 85+% will straight up kill all non-taggables (and some of the weaker taggables) in a 25m cylinder/narrow cone

[midnight jolt]

I was being sarcastic when I said surge staff bad, I didn't use venting shriek (again, warp charges penance),
only to save my life here and there, I did the most damage without using my active skill,
it is too painful to do that penance, it is boring me to the point I'm about to stop playing this shit,
not being able to use my skills because of some fucking skill consumes warps ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[deep pine]

A shriek is a cone????? Damn that explains a lot.. I thought it was a 360 aoe. o.O

[strange fox]

me to

[harsh urchin]

This is how it works

It expands as it goes farther and also goes through walls

[flint plover]

TIL im a squirtle

[cold ivy]

it also has a small knockback which is enough to shove dogs off teammates

so if someone is pounced but there's 20m of walls blocking LOS, you can just aim your camera at them and shriek and they'll be freed (iirc the hound will also die purely from 6 stacks of warpfire)

[strange fox]

Shriek is just Force scream from starwars lol

[dim current]

Shriek can be good as a stagger push in desperate times

[restive slate]

Except bosses

[strange fox]

Is it worth picking up the increased shriek damage node?

[restive slate]

They really should change the other modifier from damage to power

[midnight jolt]

no

[restive slate]

Nope

Fire Shriek is the only viable one at the moment

Damage is abysmal

[deep pine]

Dang, this revalation is really going to up my shriek game.

The things you can learn randomly browsing discord while at work lol

[midnight jolt]

have you not seen all the things that get knock down when you use it?

[strange fox]

I love how it's so rarely used people don't know how it works 🤣

[sharp flint]

Is sustained fire good on staff?

[strange fox]

Buff shriek 🤣

[sharp flint]

Buff shriek the main purpose is to quell.

[strange fox]

Gib damage to

[sharp flint]

Your shriek doesn't like targets on fire?

[midnight jolt]

I used it a lot on the past until I stumbled upon this one week after I started playing, 2 weeks later still...

[sharp flint]

Shriek isn't supposed to do damage.

It's a mass stun that quells.

Quelling 50% of peril instantly.

[strange fox]

Shriek should 1 shot lower level specials like poxhounds and snipers and idk some other ones

[cold ivy]

it also will kill literally infinite amounts of horde that fit in its area

[sharp flint]

No

[strange fox]

yes

[cold ivy]

(only if you use creeping flames!)

[sharp flint]

Creeping flames is beautiful

[cold ivy]

it... it does

but you have to wait a while for them to burn

[strange fox]

with creeping flames. but

[sharp flint]

Why would you need that though when you can just kill them.

[strange fox]

should just do it base

[cold ivy]

we don't talk about the other node

[sharp flint]

Plague hounds aren't that bad.

As a psyker it is pretty easy to deal with them.

[midnight jolt]

Creeping Flames should be purple flame and burn with more intensity

[sharp flint]

Blue looks nicer.

[earnest laurel]

with surge is ez pz. It just stunlocks them in place.

[sharp flint]

I don't want purple flames.

I like the blue flames they look pretty.

Pretty flames.

The pyromaniac zealot be like.

To be honest being a pyromaniac psyker is just more fun.

Flames from hands.

[midnight jolt]

it should be like the blue flames from the hellish wheels from Nioh 2

[sharp flint]

They're hellish blue flames. They're literally hell fire.

What do you mean?

It's literally dark fire hell fire.

[strange fox]

Blue flames are hotter than redish orange ones so more damage 🙂

buffs

[sharp flint]

Green flames are toxic?

[strange fox]

green flames are food coloring lol

[sharp flint]

How does one make fire toxic?

[strange fox]

burn sulpher

[grim inlet]

got me a 376 trauma staff from brunts, consecrated it, 2 perks are unarmoured and damage to groaners, poxwalkers lol

[sharp flint]

Copper Sulfate makes green fire though.

Or nurgle I guess.

[strange fox]

yeah i don't understand Toxic flamer. at all, like if he sprayed a cloud of Gas that'd make sense.

[sharp flint]

Is it like a gas mixed with the fire.

When combusts is lethal?

[strange fox]

Fire would burn up the gas tho

[sharp flint]

Maybe the fire is just corrupted by chaos.

[strange fox]

They are allied to nurgle so probably

[midnight jolt]

Interesting limited time acquisition:

Can buy it for headtaker 4

[radiant frigate]

someone enlighten me on why the flamer staff is good

[midnight jolt]

purgatus? for me is a change of pace, relax in the back line and set everything on fire, is great for supporting the team because of its highly staggering value,
the LMB can stagger for a moment a crusher, rager, etc, the RMB charged can too but if takes longer, though is what you want to use for hordes because it spread more fire, etc, that's the best I know, probably some inaccuracy in what I'm saying

[keen vale]

I like when a teammate uses the flamer staff because it makes enemies bright and in most missions I can't see shit!

[midnight jolt]

that too

LMB is like a moving flare 😂

[shadow wigeon]

Purgatus is a great staff, but the game has changed around it, and just made it less effective. Fewer hordes, much more burst damage from other players (so you dont kill elites as often). So, it's dropped in power, but not because it is bad.

It's synergizes with creeping flames (if you can get to high peril), bc creeping soulblaze stacks on TOP of max purg stacks, for giant damage.
It also works well with Bubble or Wall and EP Brain Burst, if that is your fancy

[flint plover]

especially if you use Quell cancel

[shadow wigeon]

LMB is also a pretty strong stagger on Purgatus

[restive slate]

Ever since SG Purging, I've been enjoying the higher bursts of damage

[radiant frigate]

using purgatus just made me wish i had an actual ranged weapon

it feels very low impact

[midnight jolt]

One thing it does well, it is consistent, rarely is a wipe if someone is using it

[radiant frigate]

because it just takes a while to kill things

[shadow wigeon]

Yeaaaah. SG Purg does remind you that un-boosted it is just a bit "flat".
Unironically Purg is the easiest staff to use with SG

I'm not gonna recommend SG builds in general, but it works really well

It's just insane. Gla you like it haha

[restive slate]

Yea I realised, it can reach 100 while I'm flaming and it's no problem

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah its got an SG safety on it

Not joking that it's the eaisest SG build 😮

Also I put Run n Gun on it for SG. It's actually a viable blessing.

[restive slate]

SG staff that is, Gunand melee psyker might be easiest

[strange fox]

How good is trauma staff? Looks like just another cc tool

[midnight jolt]

that's its main drawback, but it keeps everything at distance from your team, the way I can use it (skill issues or whatever) is mostly as support, but rarely team wipes or death with it

[shadow wigeon]

Trauma is the strongest staff in th game overall.

[restive slate]

Trauma stronk

[strange fox]

Cuz of the stagger right?

[shadow wigeon]

Damage outright

[radiant frigate]

trauma does do a lot of damage

[restive slate]

When maxed out it outshines all others imo

[shadow wigeon]

Stagger is a bonus that tips it over

[strange fox]

It does damage?

[shadow wigeon]

it does the MOST damage 😮

[radiant frigate]

i overall prefer voidstrike

[strange fox]

Oh i thought it was only a CC staff i gotta try trauma

[restive slate]

Forgive me for thinking voidstrike is a lil boring

[severe folio]

since when purgatus lmb stagger crusher ?

[shadow wigeon]

Surge, Trauma and Void are all very high damage.
Trauma is ahead by a bit, and then the strong stagger puts it into #1 staff overall.

[keen vale]

Trauma's nice because it can look at a pack of crushers and maulers and go "naw, you can't play the game"

[midnight jolt]

maulers I meant

[severe folio]

i see

[radiant frigate]

i did enjoy my time with trauma staff though

mauler wave goes kaboom

[restive slate]

Trauma can be used even in melee range of a horde

[shadow wigeon]

Blaze Trauma specifically is the strongest, because of the free horde removal.
and because Shattering Impact is just not as important as it used to be.

[radiant frigate]

true and real

though i would prefer to use melee at that point

[shadow wigeon]

Don't you mean "point blank" in horde.
Deploy meteor strike ON MY POS

[keen vale]

Blaze Trauma?

[restive slate]

Also Trauma has Purgatus beat by having the Psybolt lmb option

[shadow wigeon]

When shit hits the fan aim trauma at feet

[radiant frigate]

"but that's where you are!"
"Yes."

[restive slate]

Trauma staff with Soulblaze blessing

[shadow wigeon]

Trauma staff with Blazing Spirit / Nexus

[radiant frigate]

i was running blazing spirit/rending shockwave

[keen vale]

Ahhhh! Note to self: check if my trauma staff has Blazing thingies.

[radiant frigate]

and using it with true aim

only to find out shockwave does fuck all

exciting!

[restive slate]

I realised Blazing Spirit is so good when it affects the enemies of the outer aoe blast too

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah dont use True Aim to proc soulfire, that's not worth it

[severe folio]

mauler waves isnt the worst unless you felt them from behind 3 inches away

theyre slow moving

[shadow wigeon]

Blazing Spirit is capped at 6 stacks

[severe folio]

the ragers waves however

[radiant frigate]

voidstrike surge doublecrits are a lot of fun though

"yeah just annihilate everything in this general direction, tyvm"

[shadow wigeon]

Blaze Trauma has the highest requirements for base stats to be great. And perks are tricky too. +crit chance is pretty desireable if you like more flames/horde damage, but +damage is always good.
Also it works well with Creeping Flames because of fast peril gen, and each Blazing Spirits is capped at 6 stacks (2x applications at T3 [there is not T4 Blazing Spirit])
So Creeping Flames can get you to 12 stacks instantly which is a lot of damage.

At the same time Blazing Trauma loves Tranquility stacks for shooting more, so you have to decide when is best to burn your warp charges for a big flame attack.

Blaze Trauma plays well with Bubble as well, but the caveat is that you give up your warp charges, so be aware.

[radiant frigate]

i think i will continue using voidstrike

i declare the purgatus experiment a failure

[shadow wigeon]

Purgatus is good if you enjoy it, but it takes more work to make it great in the current meta.

[keen vale]

I know myself enough that I won't have the presence of mind to manage my warp charges at a basic level. I think I have warp charges rn because it felt like the thing I'd be the least-incompetent with.

[shadow wigeon]

Then go to Warp Battery at first, so you can staff as much as possible. Only vent Shriek if you make a mistake. And just learn to play it.

[keen vale]

I'm still getting my bearings on when to LMB, when to RMB, and when to pull out my force sword and come out swinging (and somehow catch multiple enemies per swing even though the light attacks are of assassin-type?!)

[shadow wigeon]

If you never find yourself venting to save yourself, then it's worth considering using it offensively.

[keen vale]

I kind of vent my peril by reflex.
Mostly because of my decade-honored practice of shooting one bullet and then reloading twice.

[radiant frigate]

saving yourself with shriek is also using it offensively tbh

[shadow wigeon]

I recommend playing a game where you never vent, just to get used to edging peril.

[radiant frigate]

means you got an extra cast of whatever off for free

[midnight jolt]

Warp Penance 😂

[keen vale]

Something something No Shriek November...

(Actually my ability is the bubble, I love protecting my homies 😊 )

[radiant frigate]

the homies can find their own cover

[shadow wigeon]

It is but the opportunity cost is real. Losing 6x6% peril gen is a lot on the Trauma staff.
If you get max Shriek discount ~25% for 5 seconds, and you get a WC or two back.... you come out pretty close to even.

[radiant frigate]

i will cackle maniacally as i watch hordes get incinerated by my mind

[shadow wigeon]

and the 24% damage boost, where now you have to cast 5 hits to get the same value as 4 before.

[radiant frigate]

i have never felt a desire to use warp charges

[ornate hamlet]

They're the OG

[shadow wigeon]

They're the strongest tree at the bottom, overall. DD and EP are niche for certain builds.

but not generally a good idea.

[radiant frigate]

i personally do not use keystones

[shadow wigeon]

You are short changing your power level quite a lot...

[restive slate]

Keystones are fine for all classes except Vet for sure

[radiant frigate]

i'd have to free up, what, 10 points to go get warp charges?

i do not think that is happening

[restive slate]

Up to your playstyle friend

[shadow wigeon]

Can you share your build? i cant imagine where you put all those points....

[restive slate]

The points to the keystones for Psyker aren't bad at all

[shadow wigeon]

Warp Battery (final node) is optional.

[radiant frigate]

mostly the top part

[restive slate]

All toughness?

[shadow wigeon]

If you share can give suggestions. You certainly don't need all the top nodes...

[restive slate]

I find I use 3 toughness talents at most

Psykers toughness on quell covers nearly everything on its own

[radiant frigate]

something to that effect

i have since been informed that wildfire sucks

[restive slate]

Yeaaa

Not the best

Especially on void

[shadow wigeon]

Wildfire is great with speicfic builds, not void

[restive slate]

Purgatus Wildfire is fine, not sure about Blaze Trauma

[shadow wigeon]

Purgatus is just ok. Blaze Trauma and Surge Flames can both use it, but Surge/Flames it's wise to do something extra, IMO (I go Illisi Slaughterer and it's quite strong)

[shadow wigeon]

I'll see if I can make quick suggestion

[restive slate]

Surge/Flames, you say?

[radiant frigate]

been considering battle meditation too

[restive slate]

How do you go about that build?

[radiant frigate]

so i can melee more

[shadow wigeon]

@radiant frigate This is the more damage option.

You lose 2 toughness nodes, and EE.
You can swap Quiet for Soulstealer if you like, but I'd keep Quiet.

@radiant frigate If you want to be a bit safer (Essence Harvest)

[radiant frigate]

interesting proposition

[shadow wigeon]

You'll be doing 16% more damage alot of the time, and 30% off your Creeping Flames cooldown.

[restive slate]

Those look like my builds too tbh hahaha

[shadow wigeon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aec13a1-8d04-4fde-a2ff-2c73786ac358/surgeflames-sprint

[radiant frigate]

and -25% total toughness

might be a hard sell

[shadow wigeon]

Well, to be pedantic it's 45 toughness, which will probably be a lot more, because your curios apply thei % to your total 😮

[radiant frigate]

I'd lose 2 nodes

going from 120 base to 90 base

so yes 25% reduction

[shadow wigeon]

Oh yeah mb you go down 2

I forgot there is one on Warp Siphon. I just ignore it really.

The reality is you don't really need all that toughness.... but that does depend on how carefully you play.
Essence Harvest will help keep you close to 100% toughness.

Whcih is why it's the safer option.

[radiant frigate]

"need" is relative

and i think it entirely depends on your mindset and playstyle

[lyric burrow]

on the plus side psyker does have nutty toughness regen

so you can upkeep low toughness nicely

what do you run for curios

[shadow wigeon]

To some degree. Your regen is very strong.

And your total toughness doesn't matter as much as keeping it at 100%, all things being equal.

[radiant frigate]

thinking about returning to triple gunner/flamer/bomber DR

it does matter vs shooters

[lyric burrow]

oh i meant like main erk

perk

[shadow wigeon]

Unless something has change, Flamer/Bomber DR does not affect fire damage. Do don't use those....

[lyric burrow]

the flamer thing was changed

[radiant frigate]

having more also makes it easier to keep up

it was changed yes

[lyric burrow]

im like 99% sure they fixed that

[radiant frigate]

and the answer is triple toughness

[lyric burrow]

ok word

youd probably be ok anymore

idk why i said anymore

youd probably be ok then

[radiant frigate]

anyway?

[lyric burrow]

like i do get more toughness both builds would be valid

[radiant frigate]

i would never have considered it back when they autonuked your toughness

the health damage was whatever, the real damage is already done at that point

plus i heard they only worked on kicks?

[shadow wigeon]

Correct

[radiant frigate]

sounds fun

i was also trying gunner/sniper/toughness

turns out snipers still do chip damage through triple DR

so I'm dropping that concept

[shadow wigeon]

Only vet can block a sniper shot with Toughness...

[deft nymph]

how does brittleness work

[radiant frigate]

yes well i was hoping that wasn't the case

[shadow wigeon]

Brittleness reduces armor values on a target (so your whole team will do slightly more damage).
If you're looking at Rending Shockwave, then it has some value on Crushers, IF your team is actually doing damage to them that benefits it. If they are using Surge staffs, or bolters, or other things that reduce armor already, then it does not matter too much.

Vet can apply rending (which is like brittleness, but only for your own damage) and brittleness fairly easily, so there's a chance the vet on your team won't benefit from more Brittleness.

[deft nymph]

can i use rending shockwave then switch to dueling sword for solo play

[radiant frigate]

get uncanny strike instead

[shadow wigeon]

A DS expect can tell you if you can double dip. I feel like DS already maxes out rending? with uncanny.

[radiant frigate]

stack up 100% rending

it does yes

force swords can too

[deft nymph]

i do just wondering on using my brittleness or soul fire trauma

[radiant frigate]

soulblaze probably

i used them together in hopes of making the burn do more damage to crushers/ maulers

not sure that worked

[shadow wigeon]

Flurry/Shockwave is a fine Trauma staff, but Blazing Spirit/Nexus is better in almost all situations.
The melee only Maelstrom, Shockwave is pretty good. IF your team doesn't have rending covered on their own.

Shockwave used to be S tier. Now, rending is easier for all classes to get.

[rigid sky]

Plus soulfire trauma just feels amazing

[radiant frigate]

might revisit that at some point

[lyric burrow]

brittleness doesnt apply to you im pretty sure

thats just rending

[potent echo]

Brittleness is team wide

[lyric burrow]

but as mentioned DS just has uncanny so

[limber silo]

I love that RENDING shockwave has brittleness, not rending

[winter siren]

fatshark can barely keep the game running, let alone make their descriptions make sense lol

[restive slate]

Brittleing Shockwave doesn't have the same ring to it

[near drift]

shattering shockwave sittin right there

[chrome wedge]

what are warp attacks in game like what counts as it?

are warpblaze stacks them

[lilac bronze]

which one is better to sit on? 375 is from melk

[ornate hamlet]

I'd not buy that 375

[lilac bronze]

ik the blessings arent ideal but i dont have any atm 😦

[lilac bronze]

okie

[winter siren]

run n gun is useless imo. blazing on void is also meh

run n gun only good for purge memes

[lilac bronze]

yeah i will aim for Warp Nexus/Flurry or Nexus/surge

[winter siren]

nexus 1 is a lil poor

[ornate hamlet]

Run and gun at least has some close range damage, but the other has nexus

Low nexus, but nexus nonetheless

[lilac bronze]

what about stats and perks?

[shadow wigeon]

Blazing Spirit on Voidstrike is not very good, unfortunately.
Fun if you want to try it, but not very strong.

[lilac bronze]

i think i just swap blessings down the line saving both slots for now

[winter siren]

quell speed is the dump stat

[shadow wigeon]

I would not use milkbucks for those staffs, unless you are loaded and want to meme.

[potent echo]

Everything just straight up dies to crit voidstrike

Things that don't die like crushers don't care about the blaze

[lilac bronze]

i see, ill stick to the one i currently use. Thanks guys

[shadow wigeon]

The Blaze application on Void is also a very small radius

Blazing Spirit is capped at 6 stacks. So, combined with the small radius you're applying, and the low stacks, it is very little added damage on Void.

[lilac bronze]

ok, i see your point. BS is def sub par compare to other blesssings

[shadow wigeon]

It is top tier on Trauma. Not worthhile on Void, or Force Swords, which are the only other places it's available.

May change in the future, right now it is quite bad on Void/Swords.

[rigid sky]

I think all psyker spookiness

[rigid sky]

so anything that's not a non-force sword special attack melee or a gunshot

[potent echo]

Anything that cost peril

[rigid sky]

soulfire is definitely warp damage

[chrome wedge]

huh

ok

mice

[potent echo]

Plus soulblaze

[chrome wedge]

nice

[viral flare]

if it's blue it's probably warp damage

[rigid sky]

blitzes don't always cost peril with enhanced psychothingy

[chrome wedge]

ok just wanted to check cause ive seen some different definitions

but is it stuff that costs peril?

or just dmg done by magic

[viral flare]

I think it's the latter

[potent echo]

Peril stuff and soulblaze

[chrome wedge]

ok

[viral flare]

just the fancy 40k word for magic damage

[chrome wedge]

yeah

[rigid sky]

anything you do which is like "yep, only a psyker can do that"

[viral flare]

soul blaze, shriek, the blitzes, the staffs

[shadow wigeon]

Soulblaze, Brain Burst, all staffs, blitz abilities, charged warp sword attacks.

[chrome wedge]

just wanted to know what quite counts as warp vs like ability

or whatever

noice

Exactly what I was hoping it wa

[potent echo]

Play malefic momentum, join the fun club

[viral flare]

I wish there was a way to turn all fire damage dealt as psyker into soulblaze

would make using infernus a lot more fun

[magic hull]

warp damage

warp attack

[chrome wedge]

for the perk that makes procs brain burst on 10% is it worth it?

[viral flare]

it's fun

[shadow wigeon]

No. For some gun builds if you have no other talents to use. But otherwise no.

[potent echo]

You can probably spend it elsewhere

[shadow wigeon]

It is indeed fun

[chrome wedge]

Yeah I figured

[shadow wigeon]

But not effective

[chrome wedge]

just seemed kinda neat

[potent echo]

Once every 15 seconds is

Oof

[chrome wedge]

but mostly it seemed overkill

[magic hull]

not really

[chrome wedge]

maybe if it added soulblaze to nearby enemies

[shadow wigeon]

If anything it's underkill, because of how little damage it actually adds.

[chrome wedge]

thats true I just mean it kept procing on like poxwalkers

[viral flare]

I'm honestly conditioned into just always spending the 2 extra points on the blitzes for psyker lol

[shadow wigeon]

Yes, it would be nice with something like that.
It's a bit of a holder over from original game. It wasn't amazing there, but there were fewer options.

[shadow wigeon]

Kinetic Flayer is truly a dead point though....

[viral flare]

which one is that

[chrome wedge]

I wish also like brainburst would give soulblaze to nearby enemies

just so its not completely one target

but I dunno

[magic hull]

it does

[chrome wedge]

only if it kills a special right?

or elite

[magic hull]

ah nvm

its universal

i kept remembering the old talent tree

[chrome wedge]

ah

[viral flare]

do you guys take the +10% damage to targets affected by smite skill

[chrome wedge]

I would

[shadow wigeon]

Kinetic Flayer is the 10% chance of brain burst every 15 seconds. It is a dead point.

[chrome wedge]

just a little support for allies

[viral flare]

fun tho

but yeah

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah. So many hours trying to make that talent great and it was so hard, heh.
Now we get Perilous Combustion which is S tier, and Brain Burst gets mostly forgotten..... who knew....

[viral flare]

it bothers me that you can't take assail with wildfire but I guess that's for good reason

[magic hull]

today i learn toughness and health curios dont really matter in high end difficulties :((

maybe health but toughness does jackshit

[shadow wigeon]

Uhhhh definitely not....

[cosmic sigil]

Ok

[shadow wigeon]

I run HTT or TTT mostly...

[urban sandal]

of course they matter

[cosmic sigil]

3 wounds is meta tho

[shadow wigeon]

Toughness is amazng on Psyker

[shadow wigeon]

Please don't haha

[cosmic sigil]

You can blow yourself 4 times!!!

[magic hull]

fr

human bomb

[shadow wigeon]

That's why there's a penance for it

[eager mantle]

I've been seeing a concerning number of max wound psykers in my aurics

[cosmic sigil]

I wish the psyker explosion was like the ogryn nuke

[eager mantle]

It should

[shadow wigeon]

Toughness is your #1 curio on Psyker. You have to learn to manage toughness, but you have the strongest regen.

[viral flare]

playing psyker with a chorus zealot or shout vet is the good stuff

[cosmic sigil]

1 Stam 1 tg and 1 HP is good stuff with KD

[viral flare]

do you still benefit from the weakspot kill bonus from precognition even if you aren't in scrier's gaze

[magic hull]

yeah usually i feel like toughness regen speed is more important than how many toughness you have

[shadow wigeon]

I don't use Toughness Regen Speed on Psyker. You can generate your own toughness much faster.

[harsh urchin]

1:1:1 with knife/fs or 2:1 if you can handle not having the stam yeah

[magic hull]

usually i rack these two + wound. but nowadays i find more joy having max stamina curios instead.

This my latest experimental build for purge and deflector Deimos. Survivability goes up significantly in high intensity games.

[meager moon]

Anyone run the occasional melee psyker build? I came up with one today using dueling sword, trauma staff and scrier's gaze that is really fun. Not very optimal but I managed to run an auric damnation with it and it was so fun (but very, very sweaty)

[shadow wigeon]

I would lose the +regen speed, and take ability cooldown instead.

[meager moon]

Debating whether warp charges or disrupt destiny are better for a melee build. Warp charges require more investment that could otherwise go to toughness buffs which is good since you're in melee range, and I didn't find it too hard to keep disrupt destiny topped up, but the dmg might be better with warp charges... need to test

[shadow wigeon]

Disrupt Destiny is a fair but more damage, if you can keep the stacks up - and get weakspots and/or crits.

Usually DD is not used for melee because of how annoying it is when you cant find a target

[magic hull]

they have ability cooldown on curios? .

damn

[meager moon]

IIRC if you get the max ability cooldown on all 3 curios it's only like ~1 second? I may be wrong though

[shadow wigeon]

DD @15 stacks = 15% damage, 30% more crit damage (which depends on the weapon's crit value), and 37.5% weakspot more weakspot damage (whcih is also weapon dependent)

Warp Siphon is 16%, or 24% with Battery.

[meager moon]

Oh so then if I'm using a dueling sword DD is the way to go then

[viral flare]

disrupt destiny is awesome until you actually use it

and then you realize you're either getting kited away from the team by a rogue enemy marked blue or you get your kills "stolen" by teammates

[magic hull]

guys: Venting shriek with creeping flames or Telekine dome on high intensity games?

Feel like dome is much more useful.

still debating which to rock

[meager moon]

I'd say whatever you feel most comfortable with tbh

[viral flare]

i run telekine shield with stun

[meager moon]

Stun shield seconded, that's what I run

[viral flare]

more spammable and watching mutants bonk their heads on them is funny

plus stunshields stack better with other psykers running domeshield and stunshield
i feel like 2 psykers running domeshield happens often and it always feels redundant

[magic hull]

mutants bonk on dome too iirc

[meager moon]

But the instant vent of shriek can be key depending on your build

[urban sandal]

only in the middle from what I've seen

[cold ivy]

for shriek vs shield it really depends on what you think your team will need

consistent cover vs ranged damage or mass horde deletion every 20s

[shadow wigeon]

CDR is 4% per curio. Assume it's around 12% total (not quite, because of how it adds). So on shield, that's 4 and bit seconds faster.
Combined with 10% faster cooldown talent, and you get almost 9s off your shield cooldown.

[prime elk]

All good tbh

Just depends on what meshes with the rest of your build imo

[shadow wigeon]

If you can keep the stacks up, the math is probably in your favour.

Bear in mind that "+crit damage" and "+weakspot damage" is a bonus ONLY on the difference between a regular shot, and a crit, or regular and weakspot.

It's NOT a bonus on the "total" weakspot/crit damage you see in the damage table.

DS4 has what I assume is the best Finesse modifier in the game (?) with up to 2.5X on Crit/Weakspot on lights AND heavies.

So the "crit" and "weakspot" portion of the damage is much larger. And thus boosting that with DD will be a bigger number.

[meager moon]

Thank you for the detailed response

[winter siren]

yeah some weapons have a higher diff between normal hits and crits so depending on your choice of loadout it can feel very meh

[little pier]

How's this?

[harsh urchin]

Block efficiency is useless

And blazing is also useless

Slaught and elites is good tho

[little pier]

Idk if Block efficiency is useless. But what is the godroll?

[long wharf]

for Illisi, you want Slaughterer and then either Deflector or Unstable Power

[little pier]

Alright, I'm still curious to see how BS and Bloodthirsty is when I get the T4 version of Bloodthirsty.

[long wharf]

it's awful

[little pier]

I mean probably for everything bigger than trash, yeah.

[long wharf]

it's awful period

because you're going to be one-shotting trash as it is

[meager moon]

What's bad about blazing spirit on this? Genuine question

[little pier]

I'll have to see for myself. But I already have t4 deflector so, oh well if it sucks.

[lyric burrow]

you kill everything before blazing does anything

[meager moon]

Ah, makes sense

I've never thought of putting it on a melee weapon

[vocal cliff]

It's like lacing a bullet with cyanide

[long wharf]

on release, BS force sword was a meme

Bloodthirsty was stupid rare

[rigid sky]

Bloodthirsty + Slaughterer?

[long wharf]

and it worked differently

[rigid sky]

Is that a little more legit at least? I figure slaughterer is the most essential part

[long wharf]

Bloodthirsty used to be 5 seconds of guaranteed crits on special kill

[meager moon]

Sheesh

Another question, are there blessings that give movement speed

I'm trying to find the theoretical max speed build

for funsies

[long wharf]

the only one I can think of right now would be Rev It Up on chainswords

[meager moon]

Hmmm

[long wharf]

you can always check the blessing lists for weapons on gameslantern

[meager moon]

Thanks, I'll check

Might just use knife for the base movement speed

[magic kayak]

Sooo... after hotfix mods stopped working. Do I wait for update on nexus?

[deep pine]

Think you just need to run bat file again or w/e

[magic kayak]

ah got it

[long wharf]

hotfix didn't break any of the mods I use

[magic kayak]

It just turned them all off for me

but I don't use nexus automanage either

[wind spruce]

What do we reckon, knife enjoyers, do I keep using the RHS knife with only rank III flesh tearer or upgrade the LHS knife and sacrifice having two good perks?

[magic kayak]

is uncanny not also better?

[wind spruce]

Thats the point lol

[magic kayak]

I guess you can swap that though

[wind spruce]

If I put uncanny on the left hand knife i can only change one perk

[magic kayak]

I feel like you're better off with the right hand knife. +1 bleed stack is almost nothing

14% more mobility is also probably noticeable?

sorry, 15%

[wind spruce]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1174163924325777408/image.png?ex=65c2e15e&is=65b06c5e&hm=cf54351afe83c8c0193a9acecec21134a5be8358a533e4ad04ac40c8400d392d&format=webp&width=1488&height=730&

[magic kayak]

worked like a charm

[upper galleon]

go left, change flesh tearer to uncanny, change off weakspot damage, knife has sick finesse ratios and it's really easy to dodge with

oh wait this is the same knife in zealot chat

[deep pine]

Glad to hear mate

[radiant yew]

What's the horde-force sword again

[upper galleon]

Illisi

[radiant yew]

Thank you sibling

[magic kayak]

Is trauma worthless without soul blaze?

asking for a friend...

[urban sandal]

no

it's good whether you run blaze or rending

blaze gets you more damage overall and over a wider area, rending helps the whole team by making everything you hit slightly squishier

[magic kayak]

perks suck but its best one I have, trying it out. dont have any other blessings yet

[urban sandal]

change nexus to flurry when you get it and swap the stamina perk for flak

[magic kayak]

so only use warp nexus if im using soul blaze or what? I saw agent chaos was using warp nexus and soul blaze

obviously depends on build I guess

[urban sandal]

yeah since blaze is based on crit, so you want to stack crit chance

[magic kayak]

ahh yeah thats right

yeah flurry would feel much better I bet

[wind spruce]

melee only is up FUCK YES

3 mins to go so happy i checked

im sitting here with three bots

too afraid to start it and die lonely

[radiant yew]

Tried to go all psychic knight with a force sword and assail and did NOT work out, gonna have to tweak it

[bright yoke]

wait its not void...?

this is prob bad...

[long wharf]

bad

blast radius is most important stat for trauma

[bright yoke]

figured LOL

thoughts on this?

[ornate hamlet]

what should i look to get on this blueberry flamer

[meager moon]

Definitely replace Run n Gun

[wind spruce]

Change the blessings to warp nexus and warp flurry

[wind spruce]

The definitely replace is more terrifying barrage than run n gun

[ornate hamlet]

ty

[meager moon]

Might just be me then, I don’t see myself needing to hip fire while sprinting

[shadow wigeon]

Purgatus already has a ~~large ~~ sufficent suppression radius while you are shooting. TB doesn't suppress any enemy types that Purgatus doesn't already.

Run n Gun can actually be used on the Purg, if you have it already may as well do a sprint stagger now and then.

[left basin]

WARP SEXUS

https://tenor.com/view/emir-taunt-gif-26647993

[meager moon]

Wait so it doesn’t do much for suppression? That kinda sucks

[hearty oak]

If i was building a deimos sword, what would be good for it?

[shadow wigeon]

It suppresses around you. The radius of TB is bigger than Purg, but Purg/Zealot Flamer have suppression built in. So it's not really clear what TB is going to benefit you.

[meager moon]

Out of curiosity, do you know how much that base suppression is

[shadow wigeon]

I want to guess like 2m? You can see it anytime someone is using Purg/Flamer, they might stack up some lesser enemies behind them, who are stuck in suppression.

[meager moon]

I see, this is good info thanks. I use purgatus a lot and noticed the suppression but didn’t realize it was default an AOE

[near wyvern]

The current talent tree for Psykers is very rough on melee focused builds. You basically have three options:

• Illisi Force Sword Special Spam with Soulstealer, Malefic Momentum and Warp Rider
• Duelling Sword with Mettle, Disrupt Destiny and Scrier's Gaze
• Push Attack spam with Kinetic Deflection, most useful with Knife 6

Other than that there aren't really more to beef up the melee damage and Kinetic Deflection is the only talent that can increase your defense versus melee. Combine this with the low toughness and HP pool and yeah, it's not going to be very effective where as for ranged there are many weapons for mass destruction in our arsenal.

[shadow wigeon]

Suppression also only affects the weakest enemies. You can suppress lesser ranged shooters, but.... they'd haveto be within 7m of you when you get a kill.

[shadow wigeon]

I suspect it's a QOL thing so you don't get back-tapped when you're trying to stand and flame.

[spiral minnow]

question, yesterday i saw psyker pop enemies real quick with smite, is it the middle keystone bonus or something else?
also can smite crit?

[meager moon]

But you can run at Mach 5 with that middle build which is fun as hell

[elfin roost]

I would imagine Psyker with a Zarona is like giving a monkey a machine gun, does it work as well as it does on paper?

[restive slate]

Monkey with a machine-gun is Ogryn

[shadow wigeon]

It's very strong. Not having the vet's ignore suppression makes it feel a lot less fun, to me, just because you actually have to pay attention to positioning more.

[restive slate]

Psyker is a stressed out college student with a machinegun

[elfin roost]

I have a decent roll on my vet and realized that this thing slaps, what kind of blitz would you use though?

[restive slate]

Smite is a good cc tool

Assail if you like Shards and save up on Rev ammo

[elfin roost]

First time I ever heard a recommendation for smite, I might actually try that

Favorite looking blitz, just never saw a purpose for it before this

[near wyvern]

If you have one point in DD and a knife or a duelling sword you can do it with any build.

[shadow wigeon]

Smite has loads of utility, you just want to pick the right moments. You can inadvertently slow down a fight just because you're not doing damage, even when you're making it much easier for the rest of your team.

[meager moon]

It can be crazy good on maelstroms with multiple hounds/mutants/poxbursters modifiers

[near wyvern]

It was fun when you were able to farm up True Aim stacks with smite. Oh well, it's still very useful to do RMB then let it go, pop a specialist and back to Smite.

I strongly recommend to pick up Creeping flames and Soulblaze talents with that so that you can deal actual damage to the targets you are smiting without being penalised for letting it go early.

[meager moon]

Brooo it has never occurred to me to try using soulblaze talents with smite I wanna try that

[elfin roost]

I've always seen it as "hell nah we cant be dying to THIS" the perk

[near wyvern]

It scales very strongly with the difficulty of the encounter. Auric Maelstrom example:
https://youtu.be/yrOmLUfNMw4

[meager moon]

Very nice

[left basin]

what do with cumnus

[untold niche]

me me suggest (for light changes) dropping second bobble augment and assail 30% to get KD
since you are running deflector

for bigger changes, i would go CDR aura since you don't need EE because you have bobble, which gives you toughness on high peril

like other people have said, for bobble quite worth to consider taking CDR curio
personally i run CDR for my venting shriek

[cosmic sigil]

Specialist to flak, punishing to dumdum

Keep the Crit chance. it's actually not lost on the columnus

It will go very well with a right tree

[near wyvern]

Deathspitter into Dumdum and specialist into flak

[left basin]

the real question is it BiS and should i scream at others that it's objectively the best way to play psyker

[near wyvern]

I would do this

[untold niche]

im curious, why drop last node
is it because the uptime for the +2 is not that much given your experience?

[near wyvern]

You have on demand thoughness gen through shield, the 4 stack will be enough CDR, you don't need 6 stacks for it. You definitely want Kinetic Deflection cause it's the strongest talent in the whole tree.

[untold niche]

because the +2 also give less peril gen

so i thought it would fit nicely with purge

[near wyvern]

The 6 stacks is not needed for CDR, you don't have enough time to get up there unless you are running soulblaze stuff.

6 stacks is mainly for damage

Purge doesn't need inner tranq at all

[untold niche]

sorry, soulblaze stuff as in soulblaze staves? e.g. blaze trauma that kind

[near wyvern]

Like picking all Soulblaze talents except Creeping Flames and running pirgatus or flame trauma

Cause with Creeping Flames 4 stack is the ideal point where you have just enough stacks to get them filled up before you ult again

[untold niche]

so purg + PerilC and wilfire?

[near wyvern]

This is what I would use if you wanna run 6 stacks with purgatus or flame trauma

Quietitude can be swapped into soulstealer of course

[untold niche]

honestly

thanks pygex

i get that my questions can be quite pedantic which might annoy some

[near wyvern]

And for melee either knife 6 or DS4 you want speed

Unless you wanna bunker up with Deimos mutant one shot

But in my experience, speed = survivability and clutching more than the one shot

[untold niche]

i thoguht ds4 one shots as well
or is it with prereq that you stab the head

[near wyvern]

DS4 requires buffs. You will get it with a full battery and +25% maniac on a good roll if you heavy into special. Not exactly a one shot but fast enough to call it that. Only the heavy needs to hit the head.

Just do heavy special into dodge and you'll be safe. Worst case mutant goes past you with a little HP left. Mid case you stop it with the special and best case you kill it.

[untold niche]

ah, i always see people one shotting mutie with ds4
must be because someone else shot it abit first

[near wyvern]

Probs that, or then they had a lucky crit or a lot of uncanny strike stacked up, or running DD

DD stacks make easy mutant one shots

[untold niche]

Ohhhhh

actually asking these questions, i find that psyker's theorycrafting is easier than zealot.
Might be because psyker has bad/non working skill nodes
zealot pre defined structures but the nuances are harder

[plucky flax]

Hrm I find zealot easier.

Idk both are about the same.

Extremely good.

Vet and ogryns are hard.

Vet shout is good and easy, but vet volley fire is sus in clutching situations.

Ogryn is just too slow for my taste.

[untold niche]

nouuu i mean theorycrafting

like making the skill tree build

unless you understood me and i misunderstood you

[plucky flax]

This game's skill tree is not that deep.

Just pick random nodes.

[untold niche]

exhil said he doesn't run twbs on caxe, which makes sense logically
until i found out even at full toughness if you load up a heavy and get hit by zombie you will get hit out of it

which is why i turned twbs back on

[untold niche]

gunners poke you but you have practically infinite toughness

[plucky flax]

Yeah I rarely ever not run twbs.

I used to not run it pre 13.

But since the skill tree system it's not too hard to invest in this.

I also like loner anyway so it's an easy pick for me going down the right side.

[wooden edge]

i did not think i w ould live to see the day where I carry the team so hard that once I die everyone else just evaporates wtf

they were struggling to kill big enemies once i was out from a nasty trapper/chaos spawn/sniper combo

[fleet summit]

So, I'm pretty new, just got all classes to 30. Is this a good roll?

[plucky flax]

Carry me senpai.

[untold niche]

also with wounds, to me, bleed for emperor its the most logical one to take, until i didn't have enough points and died alot
and just took full right side for top then investing in SoC + good balance.

Which made me survive way harder even though its prob more logical that you will die less just from how wounds work

[plucky flax]

It's kind of meh you have very low blast radius there.

[fleet summit]

Roger that

[untold niche]

i was excited for him until you said its trauma

then i realized

it isn't void

[plucky flax]

I have great success on both martyrdom and momentum for combat axe.

[untold niche]

subjective right, but i feel you should set up one class "properly" before going to another to have an easier time

[plucky flax]

Tanky in different ways. Big dodge and just pure tankiness.

[fleet summit]

I just did it how I did it on DRG, helps keep things fresh

[radiant sleet]

same I saw the blast radius dump, warp nexus 4, ability to put on surge 4 and even change one of the perks

I was so excited at first

[untold niche]

momentum is more consistent but slightly lower damage for me because sometimes even in combat i get like 14 or 9
Those situation usually its because theres a rager or bulwark and i can't just keep spamming left click
if its just a zombie horde then yeah, i can get 20 easy

I survive better on mommentum though
One thing i like more about wound is i get to 2 hit gunners

Mommentum is harder to do that, i don't usually get 20 stacks while diving 10 gunners

[plucky flax]

Yes both great keystones.

[untold niche]

psyker very build dependent, but if you are confident you have more fun thsi way just ignore me

[plucky flax]

I play at 5 or 6 stacks of martyrdom so the attack speed and damage is huge.

Especially the attack speed.

Freaking ultra sonic speed axe swinging. Then you try combat axe on psyker and it's

[fleet summit]

I wouldn't go as far as to ignore advice, planning on focusing on psyker for now

[untold niche]

i play wound normally, i usually down/die after 5 minute when i only have 2 wound left

[plucky flax]

Well you can go down a few times and it's fine.

Wounds build.

[proven crest]

run all wounds on psyker for tactical detonation value

[untold niche]

cause in my experience, gameplay of the classes very different once you get key blessings
e.g. brutal mommentum on your caxe for zealot
and once you have that its easier to grind for mats due to power spike

but end of the day fun most important
if more fun for you to play new classes then thats better than grinding for some mats

[untold niche]

usually i go down i die for real :p

[plucky flax]

Where team??

[untold niche]

surely not my fault i died in between 10 gunners
or behind 2 bulwarks and 3 crushers

[untold niche]

this happened so much when i actually got revived and only one wound got taken i was "oh yeah im using wounds"

[plucky flax]

Yes, no need to heal at medicae station.

Martyrdom is so beneficial to team.

[untold niche]

for me the best time is when im at like -4 wounds

don't go down so easily but still ahve good stats

[plucky flax]

I think though when I lost 3 or 4 wounds that's when I'm a bit scared and use heal.

As in 3 or 4 hp bars corrupted.

[untold niche]

ah

[plucky flax]

Maybe 4 or 5. 3 is sitll okay.

Still have 3 left.

[untold niche]

me me meant this health wise

i think at -5 or -6 health wise, one poxyb and bye bye

unless you run bleed for emperor i think?

[plucky flax]

I dunno what that is.

But yeah I drop to 5 stacks normally.

[untold niche]

-40% damage if it takes you to next wound

[plucky flax]

Oh yeah I do with martyrdom.

[untold niche]

wait do you run second wind?

[plucky flax]

I like playing at 5 stacks of martyrdom.

[untold niche]

thats 2 wounds of hp left right

[plucky flax]

I think that's the talent on the same colum as holy rev?

[plucky flax]

Yes.

I always take holy rev any build I run.

[plucky flax]

Free get out of jail free card mane.

[untold niche]

no second wind?

also do you run SA?

[plucky flax]

WHAT IS SECOND WIND?

[plucky flax]

Not on martyrdom. I run on momentum.

[untold niche]

what about this one

[plucky flax]

Yes always.

20% damage is huge on any weapon.

If I take bleed for the emperor and second wind both, I don't have enough points. So for martyrdom I sacrifice the right upper tree.

[untold niche]

that was my problem yeha

[plucky flax]

On momentum I go right and ignores the left.

[untold niche]

exhil suggested that i just take second wind, no bleed for emperor, which helped with survivability ngl

[plucky flax]

I run loner on both build though so I have way to regenerate toughness by myself without any enemies.

Speaking of which I haven't got a video with stealth loner momentum. Will try to one at some point.

[untold niche]

the cost to run loner + chatise is 2 nodes
i never tried shroud but i don't think i will like it because less uptime of ability

does shroud make gunner diving easier?

and 15 toughness reduc quite insane

[plucky flax]

You can stealth and run at gunners I guess?

[untold niche]

agent

do you run 6 second shroud?

[spiral minnow]

i was quite confused for a while, reading about zealot and then wanting to move to psyker-class and it is same chat xD
anyway any tips for building ultimate build for Flesh wound penance?

[urban sandal]

I did it with a heavy evis/revolver, blazing piety & chastise build on the oubliette assassination mission

had a knife zealot with me, other 2 were bots

[potent echo]

Piety and chastise is just very comfy

The attack speed from chastise makes it about the same as momentum

[radiant sleet]

how mandatory is going warp siphon/warp battery with surge staff? I saw in the steam guide it is strongly recommended. Has anyone tried any surge staff builds with other keystones and if so how does it feel?

[cosmic sigil]

i went with a momentum build for the movement speed and i took faithful restoration

[potent echo]

Depends on how you want to play

[cosmic sigil]

and take as much dr as you can too

[potent echo]

Some people even take DD on trauma

[shadow wigeon]

Warp Battery is optional. Warp Siphon is not required for Surge but it synergizes well with it (because it's very effective at killing elites/specials).
Disrupted Destiny is not great with Surge, on account of the Surge not getting weakspots with charged shot. You can do it, but it's not ideal.
Empowered Psionics is very much if you're committed to your blitz.

[potent echo]

The main thing about warp siphon is spamming creeping flames

[shadow wigeon]

Surge has strong synergy with Venting Shriek (Creepin Flames)

[potent echo]

That's what makes it so strong

Staff you can run whatever

[radiant sleet]

okay thanks for the advice, I am cooking up a build that would work best if I could not have to spec all the way into warp siphon

[shadow wigeon]

Warp Siphon has 2 paths for Surge. If you are planning to zap a lot, then Tranquility/Warp Battery are both good, for the same reason they are strong with Trauma.
If you plan to vent with Shriek often, skip Warp battery and Tranquility doesn't do that much for you, so you can take Essence Harvest - which can help skip some other toughness regen nodes potentially.

[plucky flax]

Yes.

Stealth loner momentum hab dreyko pain

[untold niche]

i can't seem to ever reach like 500K plus with zealot

[untold niche]

how do you deal with ragers without chatise

[plucky flax]

Shoot them?

Or stealth and hit.

[untold niche]

oh yeah i have kant

sorry, with zealot i keep thinking like should mainly melee

[plucky flax]

I have maniac on my kantrael shotgun.

It kills both types of ragers fast.

[ornate hamlet]

Worth grabbing?

[plucky flax]

I'd say so. Keep in mind ds4 does more heavies damage(for no reason). Ds5 has better mobility.

[ornate hamlet]

Cheers

[cyan notch]

i like that reason

[static needle]

Anyone here who uses rashaad for psyker?

[vestal fulcrum]

It’s largely redundant with Force/duelling swords available

[deep pine]

soooooo close, man what a kick in the nuts.. Second perk was tier 2 dmg to poxwalkers and groaners.

[static needle]

eh not with scriers gaze i think... It has a finesse modifier

so still good tho?

oh and hello again btw

[vestal fulcrum]

Combat axes generally are still as strong as on other careers

BM carries that weapon category very hard

[shadow wigeon]

You need to look at the details of finesse, and the crit/weakspot damage tables.
Finesse on Rashad is almost a zero stat, compared to swords

[untold niche]

was this mini monsters?

88k boss

[vestal fulcrum]

I just see them as redundant because they’re the most straightforward and easy to use weapon

[shadow wigeon]

Well, it USED to.... it's a pretty pedestrian blessing now.

[vestal fulcrum]

A pretty* what? What do you mean?

[vestal fulcrum]

It seems like Agent killed both bosses by themself

[shadow wigeon]

Meaning it's fairly basic now. It's not anything like it used to be.

[untold niche]

his teammates each have around 30k

[vestal fulcrum]

I… disagree. It’s arguably stronger than it used to be

[untold niche]

ok nm

im blind

[static needle]

Besides colomnus and laspistol, are there any good guns for gunpsyker?

[untold niche]

on my zealot sometimes it messes me up because i don't expect that i can kill two shotgunners in one swing

[shadow wigeon]

In what way is it stronger than infinite cleave/stagger? Old BM was so strong it was broken.

[vestal fulcrum]

Zarona revolver, Agri IAG, Vraks 3 HHAG

[spice veldt]

old BM still had to deeal with damage falloff

[static needle]

why vraks 3 and not the semi auto one?

[spice veldt]

new BM is more damage and without requiring particularly dense hordes to make the most of it

[untold niche]

volvo bez gun

[shadow wigeon]

Sure but you staggered everything, it made melee absurd a lot of the time.

[vestal fulcrum]

Old BM still limited your damage cleave with how hard it fell off. New BM hits up to 3 more enemies on the way and each foe receives the same amount of damage as the first one.

[untold niche]

whats maximum cleave on bm caxe nnow

[spice veldt]

on the other hand, BM is doing much more damage to bruiser patrols

[vestal fulcrum]

Stagger hardly was ever a concern - it’s like baby wheels on a meat bicycle

[spice veldt]

and if there's trash and elites mixed together, you get to deal full damage to that elite if you happened to kill 3 trash with a weakspot

[shadow wigeon]

It wasn't a concern, it was that it did it so well it made melee trivial

[spice veldt]

stagger is still pretty nice of course

it's why sunder vs BM do compete on the power sword

but new brutal momentum is absolutely not pedestrian

[untold niche]

peepol plos

or no actual hard cap

[spice veldt]

prob just 4-6 depending on the enemy

i forget if the number for BM was 4 or 5 targets

[untold niche]

ah thanks dood

[ornate hamlet]

Any tips for that Cliffhanger achievement?

I can't seem to shout enemies far enough off a ledge

[untold niche]

just play high difficulty and then it will happen naturlaly i promise

play something like a5histg

i got mine there

2 weeks in i think

[spice veldt]

if the behavior it hasn't changed, then venting shriek has higher stagger with more peril

but i only checked that way before patch 13 so i don't know if it's true anymore

I got mines on vigil station's finale since you just sit around and it's a natural location for it to happen

[deep pine]

you guys think this has any potential?

[vestal fulcrum]

That it certainly did, but I still don’t think it’s what made it obscene. It was generally giving cleave to a weapon that cleft very little, to a weapon that cleaves everything, is the root cause of it being good way back then

[young ridge]

Got this little treat today. Can change one more thing. Either stamina for something funny, or precognition for something. Stamina is good because I do the big block

[vestal fulcrum]

Stamina has to go on this one, I think. Having at least one unilateral damage perk is more flexible

And WS damage is not terrible, because the weapon mostly relies on WS hits to deal damage

[plucky flax]

No it was maelstrom doggos

[cosmic sigil]

Agent.

How do you live with YouTube celebrity now?

[plucky flax]

I prefer new bm. You horde clear faster.

[plucky flax]

Me noob

[cosmic sigil]

New BM is stupid on ogryns shovel.

When you get to proce it.

[plucky flax]

My running shoes just crossed 1500km ran in them

[radiant frigate]

i guess you too have seen the one video

[cosmic sigil]

Ohhh yeah

[radiant sleet]

should I replace the perk or upgrade to flurry 4?

[cosmic sigil]

I decided to craft some just after

[plucky flax]

Go perks. Flurry 3 and 4 not much difference.

[radiant sleet]

okay, I will replace specialist damage ty

[potent echo]

3-4 is 1% per stack

So max 3% difference

[deep pine]

Which would you choose? can also eat one to upgrade the warp3 to warp4

[radiant sleet]

ah yeah so vs 10 percent elite damage it just does not match up I gotcha

[vestal fulcrum]

Is that a lot

[radiant sleet]

or I could do flak, idk what is best

[plucky flax]

It's sorta above average a bit I guess for a pair of running shoes. @vestal fulcrum

[potent echo]

That's 1000 days of running roughly

[plucky flax]

Some rich people replace them after like 600km.

[vestal fulcrum]

How long did it take to cross that milestone?

[plucky flax]

Oh I've had these pairs for 2 years. I run a lot and use many shoes so they don't get used daily.

[potent echo]

You want flak to oneshot shotgunners

[untold niche]

If he rune 5km everyday That's 300 days

Wait it doesn't sound that much

Don't most running shoes last like 2 years

[plucky flax]

I used to spend a lot of money on running shoes but now I'm controlling myself.

[deep pine]

can change to flak - but which staff to use do you think? I don't mind eating one to upgrade the other to warp 4

[untold niche]

I did not see uour message above whe. I sent hat

[plucky flax]

I have over 20 pairs of running shoes

Most used ones right now:

• 1500km
• 1019km
• 896km
• 625km
• 418km

[potent echo]

Either is fine, I'm not sure if maniac has any breakpoints for surge

[deep pine]

yeah now that you pointed it out I'm chaning on to flak and testing in meat grinder.

[plucky flax]

I'd probably go right so you can do maniac flak.

Maniac let you 2 shots dreg rager without crit.

[potent echo]

Flamer oneshot maybe?

[plucky flax]

I know with crit I can 1 shot flamer and trapper.

No can't 1 shot flamer without crit even with maniac.

But can 1 shot trapper without crit.

Although flamer is at 10% hp left so it's easy to kill if someone just shoot it a couple of times while you zap.

[potent echo]

Zap and bubble

[idle delta]

You might I'm just looking for an excuse to say Vermintide 2 is better than Darktide

Not that I'd need one because it is, regardless of what I'm going to say

But I STG I blow myself up much, much more often with psyker than I do with Sienna

[harsh urchin]

crit perk isn't super good on surge

you want 2x 25% perks, or 10% elites is pretty good as well

[deep pine]

so best would be to put warp flury 4 on right side staff and get 20% maniac 25%flak?

[harsh urchin]

yep

[deep pine]

ok shame 379staff didn't work out

guess it will be like never to upgrade that lol

[quartz barn]

How do you blow yourself up this easily?

Even without shriek i barely blow up while edging at 80%

[idle delta]

You tell me, in VT2 I absolutely never blow up and in darktide I do all the time

[quartz barn]

Unless i get staggered somehow and autoshoot which can scuff my rythm

[viscid matrix]

not enough edging practice obviously

[quartz barn]

I usually alternate between bubble and shriek

But when i have shriek i dont even bother edging

[idle delta]

Like I can't get used to the peril system having used the overcharge so much

[quartz barn]

So when i run bubble im usually like "oh wait i actually need to quell now"

[potent echo]

Some people edge irresponsibly

Like me

[vestal fulcrum]

Relatable

[viscid matrix]

?? you just tap quell between throwing space magic down range

[potent echo]

But shiny DD target

[plucky flax]

Too much power make me head explode.

[viscid matrix]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1181624885819219968/Edging_Practice.mp4?ex=65c2566e&is=65afe16e&hm=e4683c4267bcdeef6ba7f4a701f0b4ae718d148a488f34769de5261f84d4d822&

edge while targeting the shiny dd target

[quartz barn]

Ye but i throw space magic while in melee range cuz dodging is easy

Regardless its just shoot shoot quell repeat

[deep pine]

@harsh urchin what about picking up small crit nodes on tree for surge build?

[viscid matrix]

grab all the crit on every build

[vestal fulcrum]

There’s just one small Crit node on the tree, though

[viscid matrix]

yep, and its right near the most important nodes

[shadow wigeon]

There are only 2 nodes that provide +crit, and one is your Aura

[deep pine]

yeah lol..I was just looking at that one...either that small crit node or warp expenditure.

I like having expenditure and quietude because I'm not pro yet 😄

[shadow wigeon]

I would drop Warp Expenditure. Mettle/Quietitude is doing a lot of work for you.

[deep pine]

ok trying that now actually

[viscid matrix]

shoot, quell, shoot, quell, repeat forever

[deep pine]

Soulstealer worth it?

[viscid matrix]

yes, BIS

[shadow wigeon]

as you get better, you can drop it.

[deep pine]

I will drop it eventually for the peril block one

[shadow wigeon]

Not for Surge, and I wouldn't recommend it on any staff build except if you are having issues with toughness.

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah, that's a good progression. Kinetic Deflector will help in quite a few situations, though - so it's worth starting to use it as soon as you can, to see how it fits your play.

[viscid matrix]

soulstealer is any warp attack kill gives toughness, every staff kill gives toughness with it

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah, which you don't necessarily need. Quiet/Mettle generate a lot of toughness on their own.

[viscid matrix]

i generally run this, so soulstealer is always in my build

[quartz barn]

If anything peril block isnt needed later on either, but this depends on your playstyle tbh

[shadow wigeon]

Peril Block is a strong asset, but it's only useful if you use it.

[harsh urchin]

surge doesn't benefit that much from crits lol

[quartz barn]

Ive personally used ds so much that i can avoid pretty much everything by just dodging or movement

[harsh urchin]

it has high base crit, so you want to take the "benefit on crit" nodes

but you dont actually want any crit boosts

[viscid matrix]

you want all the crit on surge

[harsh urchin]

they're just mediocre

[quartz barn]

So even when i run lets say illisi i usually just dodge over blocking

[harsh urchin]

the 10% cdr node for example is just significantly better than 5% crit

in all ways

as an example

[viscid matrix]

true

[quartz barn]

Why dont you just grab both?

[shadow wigeon]

Kinetic Deflector is really for special cases - tanking bosses, reviving team mates while surrounded by horde.

[viscid matrix]

can only have 1 aura active, taking the cdr is a better choice, since it also gives you access to peril toughness damage reduction with One with the Warp node

[harsh urchin]

the surge just doesn't benefit that much from crit chance cuz you start off with like 40%

[quartz barn]

Oh wait nvm i thought you guys meant the regular 5% crit node, not the aura

[harsh urchin]

you can get full benefit from all the "x on crit" nodes

[untold niche]

There's a regular 5% crit node?

[viscid matrix]

yes

[spice veldt]

it's the node right above kinetic deflection

[harsh urchin]

but getting addtl crit chance is just pointless

[quartz barn]

In which case ye big agree on cdr

[untold niche]

Ah didn't notice

[harsh urchin]

especially when youre giving up like a perk

or aura slot

the only weapon I'd run 5% crit perk on is VS

and fire trauma

[quartz barn]

Being able to place 4 bubbles on high intens auric is fun too

[shadow wigeon]

Crit aura and crit node are more about proccing crit effects like Mettle, or Evasion.
Evasion wants all the crit you can get.
Surge has more than enough crit for Mettle.

[wind spruce]

Surely psykinetics aura is the strongest talent

[shadow wigeon]

KD packs the most utility of any node, but Aura is probably the most powerful node (maybe of all classes even? im not gonna think about it)

[rigid sky]

Siblings, I finally tried a columnus iag on my psyker. I have seen the light of gun.

[dim current]

Nice work sibling, now all you need to do is pair it with gaze and destiny and you’ll be on your way to broken

[rigid sky]

Gaze yes

Trying middle keystone for assail though

But I can see disrupt destiny working

[radiant frigate]

i saw one psyker using columnus (i think) and dueling sword

with SG

did a surprising amount of damage

[wind spruce]

Columnus SG DD is my main atm

Very fun

Very strong

[half turtle]

lol that 5% crit perk is like a full 10% of my damage on blaze trauma sometimes

[plucky flax]

Stronger than trauma pls buff

[wind spruce]

trauma so bad pls fatshark

[plucky flax]

Yes give me blazing spirit t4 as a start

[wind spruce]

Up to 12 stacks

Pls

[half turtle]

what about giving back 4 stack perilous combustion

[wind spruce]

And inbuilt rending shockwave

It's only fair

[plucky flax]

Nah 4 stacks per crit 8 stacks max.

I don't need much.

[wind spruce]

Legit not sure which I'd prefer

[half turtle]

hmm perilous combustion has a way higher max stack tho right

[wind spruce]

Yeah

[half turtle]

iirc it used to before skill tree rework

[plucky flax]

Yeah well this is a weapon blessing though

[wind spruce]

Perilous and creeping flames can stack up to like 25 or something

[plucky flax]

So they both work together.

31

[half turtle]

yeah makes sense

[wind spruce]

Blazing spirit doesn't do anything once ur at 6 stacks

Which is why its bad and needs buffs

[half turtle]

hmm i usually trauma to overload before hitting shriek anyways

cuz creeping flames does seem to stack on top

[plucky flax]

Yes

[wind spruce]

That's the strat

Although if you have fellow siblings always creeping flames first so u get the warpfire possession

[quasi grotto]

hi guys, can i get some feedback which one seems better?

[wind spruce]

2nd one

[half turtle]

i feel like i see blaze trauma pretty infrequently

weirdly i see a lot of like, flurry rending trauma

or just flurry and some bad blessing

[wind spruce]

Flurry rending used to be the meta

[half turtle]

yeah but when it was supposed to be the meta i never saw any trauma at all

i think it was bc void was way stronger back then

so everyone was doing surge crit void

[untold niche]

Isn't 74 damage too low?
Genuinely asking. Never tried anything lower than 78

[untold niche]

Void was stronger ? That's insane

[half turtle]

void used to have higher carapace damage i think?

[stuck sinew]

Surge (blessing) still only affects primary fire right?

[half turtle]

higher carapace and higher base damage

[untold niche]

No it works on RMV which is what people mainly use it for

[half turtle]

33% more carapace damage

[untold niche]

RMB

[half turtle]

it's lmb-only on trauma, it works on rmb on void

[untold niche]

Wait so you could one tap crusher without crit?

[half turtle]

hm i think you probably still needed a crit but it was easier to hit the bp

lemme see if ic an find the patch notes

[untold niche]

That's a BIG change

[half turtle]

here you go

basically it used to do 765/675 * 100/75 = ~1.51x as much damage to crushers

[deep pine]

setup is working well, thx 🙂

[untold niche]

Holy shit

[half turtle]

yeah so i think you could hit the 1shs crit bp on crushers without +carapace

was pretty bonkers

it felt like very clearly just the bis dps staff

[untold niche]

What's bis

[half turtle]

best in slot

i think it probably still is the best staff for dps but at least there's reasons to take other things now

[untold niche]

No wonder when I read the guide and when I was asking people vs what I experienced it was kind of different

[half turtle]

yeah fwiw i really don't like using voidstrike so i am pretty glad they nerfed it lol

[untold niche]

It sounded significantly better

[half turtle]

but i had people in voice on this server even go "wtf bro why aren't you running void" back in the day

[untold niche]

Gunker wasn't popular? Or be ause there was no assail

[sacred crane]

Is the seer the only psyker able to always communicate with the emperor

[half turtle]

i think gunker was considered memeier but people were definitely doing it

[quasi grotto]

TBH I dunno if i'm gonna use it that often, I'm liking blaze trauma a lot... but it would be nice to have the option

[plucky flax]

Assail was more busted than void back then.

[half turtle]

yeah assail was autoclearing anything <= regular damnation with player input back then too

but i think i didn't get many assail spammers in STGs and when i did they always blew up instantly and died

[plucky flax]

Handcannon 2s recharge assail with more damage than it deals currently.

Great blitz.

[spice veldt]

basically most guns before patch 13 were poopoo and the talent tree gave less power to players than the current skill tree we have

so gun builds were seen as a meme

[untold niche]

Imo psyker have repetitive voice lines.
I heard the worst one is one that always talk about her hometown/planet. And mine always mentions the Beloved

[plucky flax]

Weird I used assail only in patch 13 and 14.

I slept and got top damage.

[spice veldt]

though it was perfectly fine if you just ran something like the autopistol

[plucky flax]

Didn't bother to touch melee or range weapon.

[half turtle]

yeah i played with someone who mained assail too and they also got top damage

i just mean like, lots of pubs kinda slept their way into auric 5s crutching on assail

so most psykers pubs were assail spammers but were also bad

[plucky flax]

Tru that's why I'm struggling now. Can't even clear sedition.

[half turtle]

i saw some dude on reddit post about the 0 talents sedition solo challenge

[shadow wigeon]

Pre-patch Shredder Gunker was busted with Pinning Fire/Blaze Away into Creeping Flames (Ascendan Blaze)

[untold niche]

I hate assail because I came in p13 and when I started playing zealot ( i thjnk) all these assail fuckers killed the stragglers but couldn't kill in horde. So I couldn't get any toughness

[half turtle]

yeah assail just deleted the whole map in most difficulties

[plucky flax]

Assail spammer