psyker-class

[radiant frigate]

which is funny because you didn't even do anything magical

no jedi force push

you just stabbed them in the face

[mighty fractal]

give em the ol force poke

[fallow yacht]

tbf stumbling backwards and tripping is how I would react to getting stabbed with force sword in he face

[mighty fractal]

also jfc this last sycorax game took 46 minutes

[plucky flax]

I'm weird that I play illisi or ds5/knife with trauma.

[stuck sinew]

Duelling sword is still a good shout tbh

[mighty fractal]

knife cool

[urban sandal]

and I run dclaw with trauma

[mighty fractal]

give us force knife!!

[deep pine]

I like mk dueling sword because makes me feel fancy like victor.

[stuck sinew]

Give us a weapon with a knife in the off hand we can telekinetically throw at things like Saltzpyre's rapier pistol

[urban sandal]

basically just assail & melee weapon simultaneously

[quartz barn]

Ds4 ftw

[fickle bane]

question

do you need the warp battery talent to get the warp battery penance

[plucky flax]

I think not.

[vestal fulcrum]

You don’t, as far as I can tell

[fickle bane]

sweet

[short tusk]

Hey all, I got so fed up with Cliffhanger I joined the discord looking for answers :D

[fickle bane]

find an ogryn with the taunt shout

and a bridge over a bottomless pit

[stuck sinew]

Play Hab Dreyko, end of the mission there's a horde spawn point on a pipe right next to a ledge

[short tusk]

other players kills count?

[onyx sleet]

if im using a trauma staff to blow up hordes (i dont have any other staves yet) which blitz ability should i take?

i was thinking brain rupture for big enemies

[mighty fractal]

It doesn't strictly need to be with Shriek, either

You can do it with Trauma knockback

[mighty fractal]

Brain Burst works fine

It's niche, but it's handy for catching trappers and hounds who escape behind cover

or for gunners hiding behind cover

or for sniping across huge maps

or for singling out a sniper in a dense horde who can't easily be shot otherwise (BB will prioritize elites and specials over regular enemies if you aim in their general direction)

[stuck sinew]

Shriek is easier though because it's a single direction and not a circle

[mighty fractal]

Yeah it's definitely easier

I somehow got it on Warren by spamming Trauma blasts into that little closed-off area where enemies spawn near the first medstation

I probably knocked a bunch of enemies into a kill volume outside of the map

[marble crater]

It's very easy to do on Chasm Station with Smite, towards the end of the mission where you drop down again there is a walkway before the drop down point (https://youtu.be/-kWwYGymphU?t=1896) If you use smite on the enemies on top of the walkway you will get it easily. Best if there is a horde coming

[short tusk]

Cheers, I'll take a look in a sec

[short tusk]

I think the problem is I've only played with randoms, and 7 enemies never last long enough with randoms

[marble crater]

If you are lucky there will be a bunch of enemies coming from that walkway at the top, if that's the case you only need to stand below it and spam your alt fire smite at them, hold and wait. They will get shocked and fall down

I tried for days with shriek and trauma, got it there with smite first try

[short tusk]

I'll give it a try, thanks again

[marble crater]

Good luck

[quartz barn]

Was the hardest penance for me by far

Idk how people say that this one is easy

[marble crater]

It's easy at that location

Overall it's a very annoying penance

[opaque topaz]

What should I change on this Duel sword?

[plush oak]

Infested to flak

[plucky flax]

I would put maniac on it. Change both perks if you like those blessing, or change precog to something else between shred/rampage/riposte.

[short tusk]

Just so I've got this right, it's this spot?

[marble crater]

Yes, on the left it should be the big drop down in the open area?

[short tusk]

With a pile 'o luggage, correct

Do I aim for the spot I'm pointing at or the luggage?

[untold niche]

anyone

have any game

to recommend to play

im bored

:v

zealot too hard

im too scurb

[short tusk]

One sec, talking with SuT first

I have a few suggestions if you're interested in more than shooters

[marble crater]

You aim at the enemies that come from the thing you are aiming at in the picture, smite them like you would any enemy

I did alt fire smite, hold until near max peril and release, quell and smite again

[short tusk]

See, I tried that but there weren't enough of them, even after a horde

I'll have to do a LFG at some point to get it

[hoary badge]

Fixed an issue where Poxbursters could fail to be staggered by a Psyker Force Sword push-attack if hit at the very outer edge of the attack effective range.

Did Force pushes have a stagger falloff that I wasn't aware of?

[marble crater]

That's unlucky then, however if there are enemies it's easy to get. So trying this mission seems a lot less frustrating than the other methods, imo. Maybe I got lucky that there were enough enemies on my first attempt

[hoary badge]

https://tenor.com/view/skaven-dance-warhammer-fantasy-dancing-skaven-ratman-dance-gif-19349860

[marble crater]

Palworld seems to be all the hype right now

[short tusk]

I'll get it eventually I'm sure. Anyway, game suggestions

Yeah Palworld's taken the scene by storm

[potent echo]

UPDOOT

[hoary badge]

I'm playing KCD during my hiatus this winter break

[marble crater]

Very good choice

[plucky flax]

BG3.

[potent echo]

"Fixed an issue where hair was incorrectly removed when equipping the Psyker “Deimos MK VIA Rebreather” and “Deimos MK VId Rebreather” head gear cosmetics."

YESSSSSSSS

[onyx sleet]

if you have three enemies and two of them have 4 stacks of soulblaze and they die does wildfire mean the third enemy gets 4 stacks of soulblaze or they get 8?

[deep pine]

can anyone tell me what is blitz cancelling?

[potent echo]

wildfire caps at 4

the other 4 just goes into the warp

if you have 5 enemies and 1 dies with a 4stack of blaze, the remaining 4 enemies get 1 stack each

[onyx sleet]

wait what

i thought it applies 4 stacks to each enemy

why would it apply 1 stack to each enemy

[potent echo]

thats how wildfire works

its poo

[onyx sleet]

that sounds terrible

[potent echo]

yea

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

[onyx sleet]

i was hoping to be able to go psyker and burn down entire hordes

[potent echo]

Wildfire
When an Enemy dies while affected by your Soulblaze, nearby Enemies each gain up to 4 stacks of Soulblaze. They cannot gain more stacks than the dying Enemy had.

Only triggers after death animation. Most notably a bug.

Needs at least 2 stacks on the target to spread the fire.

Hard cap of 4. You cannot transfer more than 4 stacks total per dying target.

Can only target enemies with 4 or less stacks. Enemies with 4 will just refresh in duration and consume a stack.

Stacks are always spread evenly among suitable targets if possible.

5m radius from blazed target.

Will be spread by corpses if they have been lit after death when the Soulblaze effect ends on them.

[untold niche]

i tried vt2 a good few times , don't like it

[untold niche]

seems like jsut a reskin of ark

[potent echo]

its more like 3D rimworld

[untold niche]

is it hard?
i tried DSO2 and it was too ahrd for me

[potent echo]

BG3 is really beginner friendly

also the best presentation of any CRPG really

fully voiced with cutscenes

dont even need to read (that much)

[marble crater]

I guess, I never played Ark, but I always wanted this type of Pokemon game

[untold niche]

isn't it a survival game, meanwhile rimworld is more of a management game

[plucky flax]

No it's quite easy actually.

[untold niche]

the company had an earlier gaame still in EA so im idk the word here, as well

[plucky flax]

Play on normal and combats are mostly just there to be won.

The story is good.

The voice acting is super good.

I knew nothing about dnd and got really invested in it.

[hoary badge]

BG3's still very dialogue heavy, which might be a factor since my friend who isn't into CRPGs sorta lost interest midway regardless

[potent echo]

if they cant get into something like witcher3 it'll probably be tough

[deep pine]

I can never get through dialgue heavy games, witcher 3 I could though.

[potent echo]

but it eased me in crpgs in general because other (poorer) studios cant afford fully voiced stories

what little voice acting there is, is mainly to help you imagine their voices as you are reading most of the story

[hoary badge]

They were really into Dragon Age however

but I never went deep into any of those games so I don't know what that says about her preferences

[potent echo]

dragon age 1?

[plucky flax]

Oh yeah dragon age origins is so good man.

[hoary badge]

all 3

[plucky flax]

I never got into 2 or 3.

The action-style combat I didn't vibe with.

[potent echo]

i got into late-game origins

i think the combat was getting way too draggy

[plucky flax]

Disco Elysium is a reall good crpg game.

I put it above bg3.

[potent echo]

disco is an experience

[quartz barn]

I only played da 3, that one is really good

[potent echo]

i played hellblade senua recently as it was on sale for like $3

that was actually pretty fun too

[quartz barn]

Hellblade is cool, but more because of the art rather than the gameplay

[potent echo]

the gameplay was surprisingly deep, i thought it was casual because of all the game reviews I read

[hoary badge]

the combat in that game had no business being as complex as it should

[potent echo]

but they dont really test your combat skills, so its mostly just for fun i was messing with combos

yea i guess its just ninja theory

like the whole hold heavy and dodge counter, parries etc

its sick

[magic hull]

i go out in drip

[hoary badge]

you can win the game with simple button mashing but you can pull off somersaults and double pirouettes in your combos because why not

[plucky flax]

Wut how was it deep? The combat was so boring to me.

[potent echo]

this game doesnt need so many combos

but it does

doing the infinites is fun

[magic hull]

reminds me of mortal kombat combos

the new one

[hoary badge]

there were no enemies in that game who can even take that much styling upon

[quartz barn]

Just saying, just because you have a lot of combos it doesnt mean the combat is deep

[plucky flax]

I recalled just pressing light attack in that game.

And dodged. Xd

[potent echo]

its fun to explore

[quartz barn]

Compare it to nioh 2s gameplay for example

[potent echo]

thats nioh2 lmao

pooferllama popping off

[quartz barn]

Ye but thats actual deep combat

[potent echo]

but you can also play nioh2 by pressing dodge and heavy

no stance swaps no summons no nothing

[plucky flax]

Soul games have simple combat but deep.

[potent echo]

nioh2 doesnt have simple combat

nuh uh

[untold niche]

whats that game

[quartz barn]

Nah try doing the 'when its many against one' mission on ng+2 for the achiev using only heavies

[potent echo]

hellblade senua

[untold niche]

wait i just saw this and now im confused

[potent echo]

most people dont even know what wots or wotd mean

on a tangent, wolong just doesnt hit the same after nioh2

no stance swaps yuck

[untold niche]

i like last to load

[quartz barn]

Ive yet to play wo long

[potent echo]

ehhhhhhhhh

[quartz barn]

Got it installed tho

[potent echo]

i dont like it

i rather play nioh2

[quartz barn]

But i wanna finish octopath 2 first

Lvl grind for galdera

[potent echo]

i finished the base game though, no dlcs bought for me

[quartz barn]

Oh i big brained it and waited until all dlcs were out

Then got it during the winter sale

[potent echo]

means you get to try out the chinese odachi

[quartz barn]

I guess

Always ended up using dual swords in the end

[midnight jolt]

Nioh 2: Fists is where fun is at, Wo Long: Long Sword and Staves for me

[potent echo]

ok chinese odachi looks pretty sick, might get me back into wolong

charge while dodging and deflects? is this MHRise:sunbreak

[untold niche]

i feel fist too op

hatchet best tech weapon tho

[midnight jolt]

You would say that, but on later NG+ cycles nothing is OP 😂

I'm still stuck on Wo Long DLC3 last boss, have to get back to it sometime

[potent echo]

hatchet in nioh2 is

so interesting

uh the hotfix is 4.5GB?

[plucky flax]

That's a chunky hotfix wtf

[opaque tendon]

look at update notes -- no warp charge gaze fix 🥲

[potent echo]

soonTM

hopefully next update is psyker focused

2handed forcesword and some new staves and i'll be playing for another 1000hours

[static needle]

Buy?

[opaque tendon]

eh

[static needle]

can keep crit chance, thats always nice to have with mettle

and change decapitator and decimator maybe?

[vocal cliff]

Decimate is already there

Unless you mean BM

[hot zephyr]

I'd buy it, crit is decent enough, through you really want flakiacs or cara/unyield depending if you are making a boss dps weapon or a general purpose melee weapon

Jeez, this is a FAT update for a hotfix

Is there a surprise Beast of Nurgle in here?

[vocal cliff]

Priest of nurgle

[onyx sleet]

chat

how would you buff wildfire

[golden tartan]

First, have it not spread to daemonhosts

:P

[vocal cliff]

Second,

[zinc phoenix]

what the fuck just happened

[vocal cliff]

Brighter flames

Boom

[potent echo]

they just updated all the logs at once

no idea why the update is 4.5gb though

[vocal cliff]

Probably had to reinstall some things n shit

[potent echo]

4.5GB of psyker hair

[vocal cliff]

That psyker hair WILL look good even if it causes the game to blow

A FS promis

E

[hot zephyr]

Change the 4 stack limit to just less stacks than the dead target to spread, and instead limit the spread to a single target with the least stacks nearby, transferring as many stacks as possible to that target.

[potent echo]

removing the cap is one way

[onyx sleet]

burn down entire hordes

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, you need to limit the spread somehow so it's not bonkers

That's why I suggested limit it to a single target

per death of course

So you burn down the front of a horde, it spreads to the rear

You burn the lead special in a pack, it dominos backwards through the pack

Does what feels right, but isn't bonkers broken

It also simplifies the math/code since you just need to find a single nearby target sorted by number of lowest number of soulblaze stacks. No need to distribute the stacks to multiple enemies

[potent echo]

single target kinda makes it lose its niche as a warpcharge generator

[hot zephyr]

Per death

You burn 40 dregs, there's 40 chances to proc it

[potent echo]

if they wanna spend more effort, you can make it similar to the VT2 talent that makes enemies on fire explode on death

[modern coral]

A little bit of patching.

[steep fractal]

I would prefer to just rework soulblaze entirely, make 1 stack do a meaningful amount of damage per tick and more stacks add only duration, not damage

[potent echo]

but pretty much no one runs this talent

[midnight jolt]

https://tenor.com/c88ihkrlkEg.gif

[sudden trellis]

fellas, who got the slickest brainburst setup

[hot zephyr]

Anyone whose a fan of BREP BREP

[sudden trellis]

is it only usable with gunkers these days, then?

[hot zephyr]

No, BREP means Brain Rupture + Empowered Psionics. The EP talents improve BR much more than the actual BR focused ones because they greatly increase the damage while also reducing peril and cast time

With the correct few talents, you can effectively chain no-cost fast-cast BRs forever as long as you target elites.

[zinc phoenix]

🪵

[sudden trellis]

ah, thanks, christmas kirby. i thought that was just a misspellef BRRAP

[potent echo]

its glorious

[sudden trellis]

schway

[zinc phoenix]

I wish they’d add some psyker armor that doesn’t make players look like weebs

[vocal cliff]

Space Hippies or weebs, take it or leave it

[zinc phoenix]

🚮

[midnight jolt]

I just want a normal looking set

[sudden trellis]

I want a cowboy set to pair with my cool cowboy hat.

[midnight jolt]

6.6g sneaky patch on GamePass

[modern coral]

Because our love for the Emperor of Mankind is so big.

[midnight jolt]

if is so big, why need a big patch? 😂

[mighty olive]

Maybe they snuck another event in!

[proper tinsel]

can i finally play a class that isnt psyker?

[vocal cliff]

New cosmetics clearly smh

[mighty olive]

I want cosmetics, need to keep up on my fashion xD

Slaying heretics in style, for the emperor!

[young ridge]

They should add a cosmetic for head pops. Like confetti

[tall mango]

thank you for this luck

[mighty olive]

Ooo that'd be cool, we get confetti now with lightning kills, I'd love that for head pops!

[restive slate]

What if BB can crit and knockback surrounding enemies

[spice veldt]

make EP be a soulblaze explosion

wrack & ruin returns but cooler

[restive slate]

I see no issue with that for sure

[tall mango]

I just want BB to consistently oneshot dogs

[spice veldt]

no issues at all

perfectly balanced

[untold niche]

wait bb can't even one shot doggie?

[restive slate]

Not in Damn no

[untold niche]

[restive slate]

Unless high peril, warp rider etc

[spice veldt]

rip

[tall mango]

Thats just genuinely bad design imo

and its off by like

50 dmg

yeah its literally 50 dmg off

[restive slate]

I only use bb on my purg build so I have a long range option

[midnight jolt]

which one should I use?

[restive slate]

I'd choose 2nd but replace Deci with BM

[midnight jolt]

is a tactical, that won't work ignore this, but there is a different explanation

[restive slate]

Why not?

Also I havent touched a Taxe in a millenia

[untold niche]

if thats the case i think its on purpose

[tall mango]

and it sucks

[untold niche]

whole game is balanced around thresholds

[restive slate]

A while back BB dogs can still probably die from Soulblaze Wildfire

[plucky flax]

Why use tactical axe though unless you just like the weapon which is fair.

[restive slate]

I miss Cerebral Lacerations

[tall mango]

you know what would be neat

[spice veldt]

make bb cool again

[tall mango]

what if the staff bash applied a similar effect to the staffs weapon

[untold niche]

when i read reviews for p13 i thought they made bb aoe

for context that was before i first "really" played the game

[restive slate]

Turn it into brainfreeze, charge on a target and they get stuck in place

[midnight jolt]

From atheneum referring to tactical axes:

Limbsplitter and Brutal Momentum are absolute jokes on the tactical axe damage model and should be completely removed from the blessing pool.

[untold niche]

hey thats a cool idea

[tall mango]

like purg staff bash applied soul blaze, surge stuns them for a second, void sends out a small voidstrike ball that pierces a few target and does a small bit of damage, trauma could..im out of ideas

[untold niche]

pretty sure even pygex said atheneum slighty outdated

[restive slate]

For monstrosities and bosses, it just does damage for balance

[midnight jolt]

is so good, it feels like a knife but better when it comes to blocking and pushing, since you like to try crazy things, you should give it a go

[hot zephyr]

The mobility stat is rather crippling. You want mobility as the dump stat, but below 50% really hurts the dodgey/speedy nature of taxes. I'd use the left one

[plucky flax]

[restive slate]

Hmmm I can imagine a few people who can argue that

[untold niche]

but like many cool ideas from internet posts, it will likely not get implemented

[plucky flax]

I tried tac axe on zealot recently and it's outclassed by combat axe so hard.

[restive slate]

wait... was that a pun???

[hot zephyr]

Deci/headtaker is probably best, shred could also be good too through. You are 1000% correct to avoid limbsplitter and BM

[untold niche]

||totally yes, im 300iq||

haha im glad you realize it

[hot zephyr]

Deci + Head taker probably gives you the best chance at hitting breakpoints for one-hits

[restive slate]

Im not

[midnight jolt]

that's quite important, the break points, specially for how fast the tac axe is

[restive slate]

Headtaker as a blessing still sounds a lil lewd to me

[untold niche]

no you are just dirty minded

🐭

[tall mango]

even with 6 stacks of warp cant oneshot a rager

come on

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, I mean it basically gives you 2 minor versions of uncanny, and as we know, uncanny is emperor tier

[restive slate]

Its Papa Nurgle's fault

[untold niche]

[stuck sinew]

I don't think that's Nurgle

[untold niche]

stop blaming others for your own mistakes 😎

[restive slate]

Ever heard of NTR UB?

[hot zephyr]

@midnight jolt are you going scrier's gaze with precog for extra finesse damage too?

[restive slate]

What do you mean "mistake"?

[untold niche]

im an idiot

i restart the game

to patch

[stuck sinew]

Do I even want to

[untold niche]

i didn't patch

[tall mango]

you need warp rider AND warp charges just to oneshot a rager with BB

man

[hot zephyr]

Did you take Empowered Psionics?

[tall mango]

im gonna keep it real with you fat shark that is abysmal design

[hot zephyr]

+50% damage

[restive slate]

Then one zealot cosplaying a cowboy steals the kill

[feral verge]

Reminder: @spice veldt killed and ate my son in 1998

[green notch]

anyone doing malleus monstrum?

[midnight jolt]

not really, I'm either bubbling or venting

[wheat seal]

Hey guys I need your help, what is the best build between these 2 ?

• https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b1f84a7-f41f-4066-8a22-3c90e05a03cd/big-dick-psyker-bdp-auricmaelstrom-v2
• https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aafe105-abe1-4fb9-99bd-d674a4a0cfaf/assaily-kal

[restive slate]

He gave you ablowjob?

[hot zephyr]

Try it in psykanium. I've been testing using SG when I pull my combat knife out lately and the results are insane. I've been wrecking crusher/bulwark packs

[restive slate]

Never trust someone who names themselves BigDick Something

[wheat seal]

ahah

[mighty olive]

I don't play trauma so I'm not sure Cal >_<

[wheat seal]

what you you think about the second one ?

I'm trying to find a good build with assail + trauma

[spice veldt]

and i'll do it again

[midnight jolt]

I don't generally spam dodge which is the biggest lost, is really that mobility a huge problem?

[tall mango]

i know that would, but I just think its obscenely silly you cant oneshot a dog or rager without a talent or several buffs

[restive slate]

Assail + Trauma is a good combination but don't overrely on Assail, especially in high level games

[midnight jolt]

and that's too much mobility for dump stat, I would need something with 50% or so

[hot zephyr]

This is kind of a problem. You can make it work but assail and trauma want different things. Assail wants crit/weakspot build while trauma wants peril reduction

[restive slate]

Mobility is nice to have but not the main priority

[vestal fulcrum]

I’m having problem with how skill trees for both builds are constructed, and also which properties are preferred on melee weapons

[wheat seal]

I have a realy good build with Assail + Voidstrike so I want to try with something else ^^

I wasted a lot of resources copying builds on this site, now I'm thinking about it a bit more ahah

[vestal fulcrum]

I haven’t the time to go into details for why both builds are “bad” or “could use fine tuning”, but if you’re willing to use any of them, consider moving some points to True Aim skill on the right-bottom branch, which leads to Disrupt Destiny keystone

[restive slate]

Thing is Trauma deals with hordes well enough as it is, and I rely on the lmb psybolts for long range so I personally dont really use Assail with Trauma

[wheat seal]

Assail + Surge is better ?

[midnight jolt]

Headtaker vs Shred, just for science, wouldn't make sense to take shread over it just because it synergizes with crit chance?

[vestal fulcrum]

Assail also plays well into swarm clear role, which Trauma already overrides. It’s somewhat odd to pair the two - I’d go with one of them, both seems somewhat overkill

[vestal fulcrum]

It can be a decent pair, yeah

[wheat seal]

need to find a good build now ahah

[vestal fulcrum]

Good luck

[restive slate]

Surge staff is one of the easier staffs to build I think

[vestal fulcrum]

What’s the weapon in question, a tactical axe?

[midnight jolt]

yeah, which is really high speed melee IMHO

[plush oak]

brunt is cooking

[vestal fulcrum]

Also, the Crit damage increase is not as substantial as it seems

[wheat seal]

I'm really bad at making builds on games, which is why I spend so much time finding a good one ^^

[latent hill]

The fuck…?

[restive slate]

Well the Taxe cant get any worse, RIGHT?

[midnight jolt]

Chance, not increase

[vestal fulcrum]

It only affects the added bonus of Crit-attacks, not the total amount of damage

Thus

Typically it’s better to stack power

[restive slate]

I suggest just having fun and just upgrading what you have for now

[vestal fulcrum]

Because if affects all figures re: total damage, cleave power, and stagger

[restive slate]

Play around with talents instead of crafting 1st

[wheat seal]

My best build Assail + Voidstrike

[restive slate]

Yee thats a good combo there, also nice white overalls

[wheat seal]

want to try purgatus + assail

look's like most of people play with Brain rupture with purgatus

[restive slate]

My concern is the same with trauma, purgatus deals with hordes really well already

[restive slate]

Yea thats what I run too

Youre going to be flaming 99% of the time anyway

[marble crater]

You use assail for far away gunners and snipers which you can't reach with purg

[wheat seal]

yes, but it's quite annoying when some of the enemies are far away or just halfway

[restive slate]

Thats what I use BB for

Also some talents that benefit Purg is on the left side

[wheat seal]

with brain rupture you need 20s to kill 2 ennemy

[restive slate]

I wont argue with you on that, BrainRupture definitely needs a buff

Feel free to experiment

I'm playing around with Scryier Gaze Purgatus and having fun ...when I;m not exploding

[wheat seal]

brain rupture seems pretty useless at times, you take your time to kill a few enemies at long distances, but since the spell takes a long time to use, you've got 2 veterans with you who are already strafing them, and in situations where you're in difficulty since the spell takes a long time to cast, it's not effective

[marble crater]

I like Assail more with Warp charges and BB more with empowered, I think I still use BB though, because of the talents

[restive slate]

Hence why I said I flame 99% of the time, 1% for BB hahaha

[wheat seal]

yeah ^^

[restive slate]

But I wouldnt take Smite nor Assail for Purg for the reason that they cover the same field and Purg does better than both Smite and Assail

Maybe Assail might get some use with the rmb for long range attacks

[midnight jolt]

yeah, what was I thinking, this taxe is almost perfect, I will still keep looking:

That dmg and pen are godly

if Hadron one day grant me the blessings lv4 I won't be mad

[untold niche]

i had my scond game of scab only mael

lost but was super fun

high tension

game was quite slow

there were a few times i went in fire to save a trapped guy

[hot zephyr]

That is probably almost as good as it gets. The only realy thing that could improve would be if it was a 380, all the extra points you'd want in finesse

And you more than compensate for that slightly less than optimal finesse by having the correct damage perks and double-stacking on-hit blessings

Like, every hit for the first five chained attacks gives +8.5% power to the next swing, that's pretty nuts

[midnight jolt]

version 4 of these 2 blessings 😂

[hot zephyr]

Even that would really only be noticable when you are at 4+ headtaker or 7+ deci stacks

You can't feel a sub-5% difference

Unless there's a key breakpoint you happen to hit as a result, which I don't think would be the case here

With a tax, if you one-shot trash mobs on headshot, that's all that matters

[marsh badger]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a61fc2b-27d6-4418-bcd9-cdc590d1cbd9/nihlus-utility-shard-dps-revotraumapurga

This is my favorite trauma/assail build but with cdr aura and battle meditation. Trauma staff only comes out for crusher packs and when out of shards

[untold niche]

today i found out trapper can trap you mid air
i exploded from barrel, trapper MLG noscoped me

[hot zephyr]

Jeez, legendary trapper

I had an off-night last night. Failed two AD runs both during the finale

I was going down a lot too... I felt kinda bad

I was doing a lot of damage, I tanked and killed two Chaos spawns and a Plague Ogryn between the two runs. But I kept going down at bad times. I think I might have just been not switching to melee to block enough, we had a lot of trash leaking through our frontline

[spiral minnow]

finally, couldnt do it on premade, and after that i had 1 game and like 3 times of 4,5 minutes and got it in the end xD never again xD

[hot zephyr]

gratz bro

[spiral minnow]

the revolver method was best for me, jsut picked up specials and had 4% chance when ppl killing hordes to get another charge .)

but the itch... itch to press F is real .)

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, that why this penance is always a "pain" cus leveling teaches you the reflex of HIGH PERIL? SOLVE YOUR PROBLEMS BY PRESSING F!

[untold niche]

i think you did well still
atm the game bores me so much this is my score on a5mael

idk, its half i genuinely tied everything and half i can't seem to get better at zealot

[midnight jolt]

is overproof better than scoreboard mod wise?

[hot zephyr]

I genuinely have no idea what my actual damage is like. i don't use scoreboard mod or anything. I just judge my damage by how often I proc the voicelines

[spiral minnow]

oh yeah, but now i can use F and not to be disabled person on team .)

[hot zephyr]

Yes, but what it's supposed to teach you is you don't NEED F, you can run without it if you manage your peril

So often you see new-30 psykers who are like I NEED MY SHRIEK I CANNOT RUN BUBBLE OR GAZE!

[midnight jolt]

no, you can't, you are maniac trying to kill the elites so your team doesn't 😂

[untold niche]

its a plugin, and yeah i do prefer it because i can see individual stuff e.g. melee elite, ranged elite and kills and damage

[spice veldt]

the penance was made before patch 13 when warp charges worked differently

[untold niche]

i mean just open up the picture

[spiral minnow]

reminds me penance where i had to get on the brink and vent xD like hundred times xD

many psyker penances feels like gimpin your team and learning bad habits .)

[hot zephyr]

I actually need to finish that still. I'm at like 46 but I manage my peril too well on my purgatus build so I hardly ever go over...

Gotta play more dumb

[spiral minnow]

i did that with voidstaff... jsut using it everywhere even at start of the game, jsut getting high peril and vent, before we met enemy i had it twice already .)

[hot zephyr]

I kinda edge on purgatus, not like purposefully, just get close to 100 then vent and the build has so much CDR that shriek is back up in like 10-12 seconds usually

[mental rock]

Yeah that penance sucks because going into the perils animation is suboptimal play

[hot zephyr]

And with all the peril reduction that build has that's like 2-3 full RMB charge sprays

[spiral minnow]

also penance for killing enemy by peril dying... amazing when teamamtes kill those specials before u kamikaze and have to do it again and look like newbie xD

[hot zephyr]

three 5% nodes + inner tranq

[plucky flax]

I got free tips from youtube comments.

I need to be even more aggressive apparently but I'm scared.

[hollow current]

this just popped up in the hourly. i just warped

[plucky flax]

Great modifier. Although flak is not one of my favourite perk for mk4.

[hollow current]

I usually roll with maniac + flak so it suits me pretty good.

If hadron isn't a bitch and I get lucky then I'll be able to change it to whatever.

[marble crater]

I haven't done that yet because I don't want people to think I can't manage my peril

[plucky flax]

Why spamming f for more creeping flames is huge dps.

[hollow current]

I can work with uncanny 3. Rampage and infested get curbed.

[tulip kettle]

can i ask what the colours on your charge indicator on the hud mean?

sometimes its green sometimes its purple

seems unrelated to peril

[spice veldt]

probably dynamic crosshair colors which changes if you're hovering over an enemy/ally/barrel if it's what i'm thinking of

[tulip kettle]

that will be what it is thanks

[plucky flax]

Yes.

It's not charging indicator as someone believed.

[strong gulch]

You're gameplay is already pretty aggressive tho.

wtf lol

[plucky flax]

[midnight jolt]

more aggressiveness required for the top 0.1%

[strong gulch]

I should probably be more aggressive, but... I don't see that happening unless I got the zoomies or something.

[plucky flax]

And I need to learn how to dodge slide but I believe I'm already doing plenty of it.

[midnight jolt]

I finally mastered the tactical axe, that thing can clear hordes like there is no tomorrow with the one shots

and did it hitless a couple of times

[untold niche]

better than caxe?

[plucky flax]

Not using illisi to clear horde.

[untold niche]

oh yeah this is psyker

[midnight jolt]

shush, wild fire cult leader

[midnight jolt]

I think the term better shouldn't be used, is fun, it has a higher skill cap, once mastered it can be?

[plucky flax]

Well if it makes you happy.

[untold niche]

i meqn the hrode clear is better than caxe?

not sure if the brum for both are the same

[plucky flax]

I comment commend me on my aggressive gameplay. Another told me to be more aggressive. Duality of mankind.

[midnight jolt]

the difference with DS4 (my bias observation) is that you don't have to heavy, once you stack enough power it just one shots at the speed of a knife

[untold niche]

agent

for blaze trauma

do both blessings need to be t4?

[strong gulch]

Merch

[midnight jolt]

😂

[plucky flax]

No because you can't get t4 blazing (yet)

[midnight jolt]

The Wild Fire cult, we need a flag for that 😂

https://tenor.com/bSk2Z.gif

[bronze flame]

Psyker ability: fucking gun (ogryn size pistol)

[hearty oak]

I think blazing trauma might be the only reason I take wildfire

[strong gulch]

Rejoice rebreather siblings. We're getting a hair fix when hotfix #30 drops.

"Fixed an issue where hair was incorrectly removed when equipping the Psyker “Deimos MK VIA Rebreather” and “Deimos MK VId Rebreather” head gear cosmetics."

[magic hull]

haha hair

purgatus + deflector deimos + assail + shield bubble is one hell of a diversified combo

[worthy scaffold]

should i change the carapace to 5% crit chance?

[dawn spoke]

I feel like that one's down to preference

you can always switch back and forth and see what feels better

[tulip kettle]

hotfix 30 is already live

[strong gulch]

Oh thanks. My brain fully disregarded the words "now live".

[prime elk]

Carapace prob more impactful tbh

[midnight jolt]

normally it is more impactful the 20%~25%, but you have surge which double hits on crit, that will out damage anything, so more crits = double damage:

Sometimes that will even "one shot" (2 shots really) specials

A reward, I won't even bother learning any of these blessings 😂

[tulip kettle]

run n gun honestly isnt the worst blessing ever, its just not so good on psyker i think because you cant get a "dodge while sprinting" mechanic, apart from hitting crits i think

[ornate hamlet]

It also increases close range damage

Not that surge needs it much

[midnight jolt]

From Brunt, not bad?

[near drift]

I can see an argument for purg run n gun since you gotta be close anyways and it has good stagger on the quick blast, that's about it tho

[upper sun]

did they add new voice lines with this patch

[hoary badge]

Imagine if run and gun applied to blitz

[upper sun]

i heard my psyker mention reboute returning

and someone else beastmen

[tawny pebble]

I remember the Roboute line has been in for a decent time

[vestal fulcrum]

another Obscurus godroll

godbase*?

(please FS buff Obscurus)

[hoary badge]

They keep running into unintentional universal blessings that they should make one work as intended for a change

Let me sprint and throw homing darts like a space ninja

[elfin roost]

Anyone know the proper recon gunker build?

[feral verge]

recon las gun is one of the worst weps in the game

[upper sun]

obscurus is still the worst of the force swords

[elfin roost]

True but talents make anything too op for even damnation so I dont think it matters

[hoary badge]

Take BB, Crit Aura, Scriers and DD and slap on a Headhunter Blessing on it

You should be good to go

[elfin roost]

Aight thanks

[upper sun]

i used up like 3 good obs force swords just for random tier 2-3 blessings i dont need theyre really bad

weird attack animations dont have the clear of the illisi or the single target damage of the demios

[elfin roost]

So what exactly is the value in gunker (in general) compared to a staff?

[hoary badge]

Great single target damage for one

[feral verge]

yes, ranged single target damage

the problem with recon las that it takes many more shots to kill shit, than say iag or las pistol

you are eating more team ammo for less ranged dps

you are likely, unfortunately, just gonna make your team mad

when they see how much ammo you are eating, and how much less dps you have to show for it

[harsh urchin]

it's also very conditional

[elfin roost]

There's a reason I dont play with leaderboard users

[harsh urchin]

for example, if you decide not to take assail

if you QP and get dropped into a game with no vet aura

you're basically fucked

[elfin roost]

I don't like tryhards that think heresy is difficult enough to warrant optimization

[hoary badge]

For what it brings to the table compared to other classes it has huge crit synergies which can get pretty nutty with toughness gen on crit

[harsh urchin]

assail alleviates the ammo issue a bit, but it still doesn't resolve

[harsh urchin]

well the problem is

vet gets those crit synergies

for cheaper and has a more suitable kit

gunpsyker i would just play if you enjoy playing it

don't need to try to justify it lol

[feral verge]

if i were playing with a recon las psyker, i will purposely take ammo from them (if i need ammo). not to be a dick/asshole, but because i KNOW i am going to use the ammo pickups more effectively

[hoary badge]

What, like deadshot?

[harsh urchin]

deadshot, voc, rending, etc

stuff like 15% elite and 30% weakspot is no joke either

ammo aura is the big one

[hoary badge]

I'm talking specifically about crit synergies here

[harsh urchin]

ye, then we compare SG which has about 30% uptime to deadshot which is 100% uptime

if you dont wanna include the other random dmg bonuses that vet gets that psyker doesn't

like 10% rending

20% longshot

etc

[hoary badge]

Synergies mean more than just crit chance

And it's not 100% up in a good number of situations

[harsh urchin]

it is if you're actually built properly

with tag stamina refund, stamina regen on curios and stamina on dodge

[elfin roost]

Bruh

[harsh urchin]

ive been playing a ton of deadshot iag

[upper sun]

yummers

[hoary badge]

SG can get similar uptimes with 2 much easier pathable nodes

[harsh urchin]

no it cant lol

SG is fundamentally fucked

because the cooldown doesnt start until the skill ends

[magic hull]

this one is actually smart

[harsh urchin]

unless they change it to be like executioners

and you can get psykinetics aura refund on it

[hoary badge]

And you kill a bunch of elites and you get it back

[harsh urchin]

to chain it

in practice, from how Ive experienced

you press F when you want to kill stuff

you kill the stuff and dont get the CDR

[hoary badge]

It's not 100% but It's high uptime when it actually matters

[harsh urchin]

because the skill is ticking

lol it's not high uptime

maybe you're more skilled as a player than I am hey who knows

but the uptime is pretty mediocre

[hoary badge]

To each their own

[harsh urchin]

especially since CDR from WC dont work and the cd doesnt tick until the skill ends

[hoary badge]

Anyway crits get you dodge states, and generate huge bucketloads of toughness with high rof gunkers

[viral flare]

i got recommended to use scrier's gaze with infernus on the lasgun

[hoary badge]

And damage is supplemented very nicely with the finesse stacks DD offers

[viral flare]

it... sucked

[harsh urchin]

dodge states don't matter for high dps weapons like iag

because you just kill stuff lmao

[feral verge]

not at all supried. im sorry you got reccomended that.

[viral flare]

is scrier's just bad?

it seems usable in some way but i just suck with it lol

[feral verge]

scrier's is amazing

[harsh urchin]

it could use some improvements

fundamentally the skill is very cool

[feral verge]

it's recon las that sucks balls

[harsh urchin]

but the CDR not ticking

[viral flare]

what should i be using it for

[harsh urchin]

kills a lot of the synergies with the kit

[feral verge]

any time you need damage

elite/special packs

boss

[hoary badge]

Staves don't benefit nearly as well with finesse builds so going gunker's great to maximize the right side of their trees

[viral flare]

ah

[feral verge]

if you like the concept of infernus, use it on the old las pistol (accatran mk 2)

[viral flare]

i think i have a good columnus to pair gaze with

[harsh urchin]

gunker is perfectly fine lol

[viral flare]

"gunker" is not the term i expected to hear

[feral verge]

ignore the low item rating on it

[harsh urchin]

it just has some issues

namely SG has some mechanical issues with how the skill works

[magic hull]

scier goes well with BB as well if u a BB chad.

[viral flare]

BB?

[feral verge]

brain burst

[harsh urchin]

and you're pretty much forced to to assail

if you dont want to be completely useless

[viral flare]

ah

[lyric burrow]

yeah recon anything isnt great

[harsh urchin]

in certain situations

[lyric burrow]

sciers can take advantage of the finesse it just

doesnt matter

[viral flare]

yea i use assail with scrier, and empowered psionics so i can safely use assail during scrier if i feel necessary

[magic hull]

BB is a nice loadout for gun psyker as well. Just make sure you bring a horde clearing melee

[lyric burrow]

if you want to try scriers with a finesse weapon try HH autoguns

vraks 3 is the best

[feral verge]

i use this on my gunker

[lyric burrow]

laspistol is also good ye

i also enjoy iags on said build

[viral flare]

it's really hard finding the mechanics of the Precognition talent because there's also a blessing with the same name lol

i'm not sure what "counts as 1s in scrier's gaze" really means

[lyric burrow]

it adds to the bonus from being in scriers gaze

[magic hull]

how does this perform on auric and maelstrom?

[lyric burrow]

so like

[hoary badge]

You gain stacks with weakpoint kills

[viral flare]

ah

[feral verge]

i wipe the floor with everything

[lyric burrow]

it gives you a free bonus without actually spending more time building peril

[lyric burrow]

i use a similar loadout and it does well

[feral verge]

@magic hull game from last night

i played with @lyric burrow @lunar hollow and @indigo portal

who are all good at the game

the las pistol works v well in auric

v v well

[lyric burrow]

you can also use the other laspistol if you want

i prefer X tho

[indigo portal]

It's always a 50/50 getting pinged in Psyker chat lol

[lyric burrow]

but old laspistol is nice if you wanna slap infernus dum dum on it or something

[magic hull]

I got one with good stats but it does shit. Maybe wrong blessings

[lyric burrow]

what blessings/perks

[magic hull]

can't remember, dont have my pc near me

[lyric burrow]

rip

[indigo portal]

My only input is the force shove on the laspistols is very fun

[feral verge]

well, you need dum dum

[magic hull]

it has the infernus blessing and the other one i forgot

[feral verge]

most important thing on las pistol

[lyric burrow]

ideally you want like flaniac and dum dum, second blessing is a bit more optional

[harsh urchin]

infernus is ass

low priority

[lyric burrow]

even flaniac can be argued tbh

[magic hull]

yeah

[feral verge]

i've been told you want unarmored damage on new las pistol

by josho

[lyric burrow]

oh really

[spice veldt]

flakiac

[lyric burrow]

i had not heard this

[harsh urchin]

unarmored hits a few BPs

[feral verge]

unarmored grants 1 shot head shot to dreg gunners

[harsh urchin]

afaik

[lyric burrow]

oh neat

good to know

well unarmored/maniac then

[feral verge]

return from whence thou camest

[spice veldt]

OwO

[lyric burrow]

i see some people run unyielding but it never felt great to me

[harsh urchin]

unyielding is pretty much

just giving up

on normal enemies

and building for only bosses

[lyric burrow]

even then i only notice it on bon

[harsh urchin]

it does well against the other bosses

[lyric burrow]

just cause its easier to maintain weakspot damage

[harsh urchin]

the ppl u see prob just cant aim

[lyric burrow]

yeah i was just giving my reasoning for maniac over unyielding

[harsh urchin]

but yeah gunpsyker attracts some of the worst players

at least smite psykers, although they're useless, they dont use up resources

some gunpsykers i see, drop into the game, no vet aura, shoot the horde, vacuum all the ammo, and then die

[lyric burrow]

i never got that

like

[harsh urchin]

and nobody else has ammo

[lyric burrow]

shooting the horde is just

the worst option

like if you taking a scriers build there is a chance your melee isnt horde oriented

but you also probably took assail

so like

[feral verge]

las pistol is by far my fav thing to run on gunker

just so ammo efficient

the mk 10

[lyric burrow]

im enjoying iag on them a lot atm

just lets me aggresively slide into everything from further away

[hoary badge]

Melee psyker benefits a lot from Scriers

[lyric burrow]

although assail and whatnot does that too

[midnight jolt]

Let me guess, when you get to 150 it will show another 150/200 😂

[feral verge]

it's either 200 or 250

[hoary badge]

Exorcist Illisi is a fun meme with Scriers up

[feral verge]

i forget

been a long time

250

[midnight jolt]

We have discovered a spy, he is a veteran 😂

[lyric burrow]

i think it caps at 250

do i have that

probably

[feral verge]

i been playing/maining psyker since release

you are the spy

[lyric burrow]

i thought you swapped to zealot at some point

[midnight jolt]

I have only started 3 weeks ago, bruh 😂

[feral verge]

i have more levels in zealot, but psyker has more play time

[feral verge]

i know

[lyric burrow]

lol rip ogryn

[feral verge]

some day

too brain dead

to play

[lyric burrow]

its fine my ogryn is also collecting dust

for a similar reason

[hoary badge]

The MkX doesn't feel nearly as ammo efficient in my hands

[midnight jolt]

I like Ogryn dialogs, he always win any argument

[tacit cargo]

Once i change the perks its fine I guess. I'd rather have had slaughterer instead of executioner but it's fine

[hoary badge]

The 50% extra energy cost per shot makes me feel I go through mags and reserves a lot faster

[feral verge]

swap blazing spirit to uncanny strike

[lyric burrow]

ok yeah i got that penance

[feral verge]

uncanny strike is a must have for every weapon that it's available on (including force sword)

unless you are doing a funny/goofy build

[tacit cargo]

and keep carapace or specialists on that?

[lyric burrow]

i need to make an uncanny illisi still

[midnight jolt]

if tac axes had uncanny strike

[feral verge]

i would keep carapace, and swap specialist damage to maniac

[lyric burrow]

keep cara if your running uncanny anyway imo

[feral verge]

why keep carapace? because it's really the only thing illisi struggles with

[lyric burrow]

illisi special also has decent ADM iirc

[feral verge]

it deletes everything else

besides bosses

[tacit cargo]

I guess so. Would you swap out Blazing for Uncanny?

[feral verge]

yes absolutely

[lyric burrow]

yeah

blazing is a dead blessing

[feral verge]

blazing spirit sounds neat, but unforunately it is goofy

everything dies before it gets set on fire

[lyric burrow]

and you have to get notable stacks up on top of that

for the damage to matter

[midnight jolt]

If wild fire cult hears you, they will all come here and start a revolution 😂

[lyric burrow]

even the wildfire people arent running blazing lol

[tacit cargo]

I run wildfire, thats why I didnt mind the blazing

[midnight jolt]

I know, it was an overstatement, an exaggeration of the joke

[tacit cargo]

but i guess everything dying before it procs makes it worthless yeah

[midnight jolt]

I use wildfire with purgatus

[lunar hollow]

specifically it hits the dreg gunner 2 shot headshot bp with no buffs up

[lyric burrow]

ah ok

thats still nice

[lunar hollow]

i havent done any real math beyond that (because i mostly came up with it in the context of zealot and just put it on psyker to think less hard) but if it also gets u a dreg gunner 1 shot headshot bp thats cool (or increases the margin u can one shot because stuff like DD is oftentimes at a weird number of stacks)

[elfin roost]

knife

[lyric burrow]

yeah id imagine it gets you some BPs with like scriers or DD stacks

crit maybe although id need to see the damage increase

[lunar hollow]

i specifically like it because it gives u more consistency with gunners

and a lot of the time with my laspistol i will just stand there and shoot guys in part because i run ghost to counteract reapers turning any open area into a fucking wind tunnel

[lyric burrow]

i should test what you lose on flak

but probably nothing crazy

i just kinda defaulted to flaniac

[lunar hollow]

i dont think anything important

[lyric burrow]

i can test it rn

[lunar hollow]

cuz like bomber heads are unarmored

[lyric burrow]

i think i one shot them anyway

[lunar hollow]

@feral verge what settings do i select to unfuck my ovenproof scoreboard

[lyric burrow]

whats wrong with it

is it off the screen

[lunar hollow]

i dont know but if u have them all enabled it takes up more than the whole screen

[feral verge]

vc?

[lunar hollow]

i cant fucking open it in the psykh

sure

[lyric burrow]

i think i just removed some of the stuff i didnt care about

there might be a better way to do it

[spice veldt]

isn't there a mod setting to allow the scoreboard in the psykh

or the tactical menu

the tab menu right

[lyric burrow]

@lunar hollow yeah you 2 shot flak gunners with or without

although i think you do lose the flak shotgunner one shot

[lunar hollow]

i see

[lunar hollow]

it hasnt been working

for the past like week for me

[spice veldt]

tsk tsk tsk
heavenly punishment

[tacit cargo]

@feral verge Switched it to this for now, guess that's better than blazing but worse than uncanny, but I don't have uncanny yet

[lilac bronze]

question: Does uncanny strike perk on melee weapon work on assail icicles?

im pretty sure i read it somewhere

[harsh urchin]

yes

[lyric burrow]

yes

[harsh urchin]

I would recommend an uncanny weapon if you're using darts

[lyric burrow]

but you need to have the melee wep in hand

with uncanny up

[lilac bronze]

could you elaborate? I thought assail is blitz

[lyric burrow]

so like

[lilac bronze]

so you want to press G when using melee?

not staff

[lyric burrow]

if you get uncanny up

on the melee

and throw assail and keep assail equipped

it will make no diff

if you throw a shard and then swap back to melee before the shard hits the target you will get the uncanny bonus

to said assail shard

[lilac bronze]

oh i see what you mean

[lyric burrow]

so you just need to quick swap back really

[lilac bronze]

gotta micro it mid air

[lyric burrow]

or have some distance

it works in psyk if you wanna play around with it

[plucky flax]

OMG pls give me 25% flak 25% maniac T4 slaughterer

[midnight jolt]

https://tenor.com/bSk2Z.gif

Make an offering 😂

[plucky flax]

It's fucked.

My current one is good just a tiny bit low on warp resistance.

[midnight jolt]

Mine is alright, but I'm not using it:

[plucky flax]

No slaughterer on illisi is interesting.

[midnight jolt]

I dont have it, but if it comes around I'd put it

[mighty olive]

rofl was reading the feedback on steam for the update, someone said they got kicked from damnation for using assail ROFLMAO "buff assail so i dont get kicked"

[plucky flax]

Not even t3?

[mighty olive]

but like...assail is still good XD

[midnight jolt]

nope

[plucky flax]

RIP in pieces.

[near drift]

assail cant one shot a crusher, needs a buff obv

[mighty olive]

oh yeah, obvs!

[midnight jolt]

the only time I'm rewarded with a curio with a perfect perk (HP), is +1 wound

[umbral helm]

one of my friends upon realizing he can't use assail for literally every problem decided he didn't like "how complicated psyker is" and just went back to running piety with eviscerator into crowds

what I always think of whenever the assail convo happens

[midnight jolt]

Tell him to at least change to a crusher, it is a much more interesting and fun weapon

there is even a good guide for it

I had fun with it doing the weeklies

[umbral helm]

he likes simple stuff, because he's not much for thinking. I told him going into it that psyker has a few things with micromanagement, but he wanted to give it a try anyway. it was the expected result, honestly

he's a decent zealot, for what it's worth. needs to work on his situational awareness a bit, but he gets the job done

[midnight jolt]

And I made the most mid crusher you can ever have, you will like it and hate it, is not bad but is not good either 😂

One day's work, was the best I could come up with 😂

[plucky flax]

Tell him to play combat axe. It's braindead left click spam.

[umbral helm]

we've given him a few builds to work with, he ended up liking eviscerator the most. it is fun in its own way, to be fair

[plucky flax]

True.

[midnight jolt]

it gets boring, it bored me in like 3 days

[umbral helm]

I think he just likes the aesthetic of bisecting people when he swings sometimes

[midnight jolt]

he is a brute, he doesn't comprehend our powerful minds

[umbral helm]

he chases what he thinks is cool, typically. which is both his strength and weakness

on one hand, he's stubborn and will stick to something and make it work. on the other, he usually doesn't have the mechanical know-how to back up his stubbornness

[midnight jolt]

some weapons are a rhythm game

stash slash dodge block push/cleave, back off, forward

[umbral helm]

yeah, like thunder hammer. he didn't like it 'cuz he couldn't mesh with the rhythm it needs

[midnight jolt]

I could swear that the tactical axe is the best weapon for Psykers, but that's because I love its moveset

[umbral helm]

funny thing is I think I'm the only one in our group that actually likes using thunder hammers when I'm playing my zealot, nobody else likes how they feel

[midnight jolt]

he may come around with the crusher

is a very well rounded weapon

[umbral helm]

I'll throw the idea his way next time we play, maybe

[midnight jolt]

it has one of the best attack after push there is, a wide swing, which one shots infected and the like

[umbral helm]

I know my other friend ended up really liking it, he made a build that leans into its stagger potential, while also managing to be decent at killing

he goes into a horde and just tosses everything around

[midnight jolt]

like I said (and repeating what the guide pinned on Zealots channel say), is a very well rounded weapon, it has Evis + TH aspects

[umbral helm]

it's an attack speed build he came up with one night. swings it fast and throws in charged hits every other swing

[midnight jolt]

I play Zealots on Mondays (weeklies), I'm gonna try to make a better crusher

[umbral helm]

he tends to get priority on celerity stims whenever we find them when he's running it

we've started calling them celery sticks

so whenever I pick one up and find someone that needs it I just say "hey, celery. go fast"

[tawny pebble]

it took me awhile to come around from heavy eviscerator

but damn is it satisfying

[umbral helm]

there's not much that matches running up to some goon, and doing a charged hit into their face and watching them cartwheel

and the "clap"

I like when a weapon has good heft and impact, and the visual and sound design team really nailed it with the hammer

[proven crest]

are you using the ironhelm or crucis?

[umbral helm]

I've ran ironhelm for a while, people praised the other one more but I've made ironhelm work

[mighty fractal]

Crucis is mostly for nuking bosses and elites

Its horde clear is lackluster

[proven crest]

well, it's contrary to common wisdom on this discord, but i personally think crucis is one of the worst weapons in the game

and ironhelm is one of the best

so

[mighty fractal]

Ironhelm has slightly weaker elite breakpoints but much better horde clear with charged heavies

[midnight jolt]

Horde clear with crucis is all about heavies

[proven crest]

can crucis one shot maulers?

i think my rolls are just too bad to get there

[mighty fractal]

Crucis is basically just the 2h hammer from Vermintide but with worse horde clear

[mighty fractal]

With Thrust, yes

[proven crest]

cause people say that ironhelm misses breakpoints

but i think that might be the only one?

ironhelm 1 shots mutants, every elite except maulers and crushers

[mighty fractal]

It might be, I actually can’t remember

[proven crest]

but crucis can't 1 shot crushers either anymore

not without chastise

but ironhelm also 1 shots crushers with chastise!

[mighty fractal]

I think it can still do it with stealth?

[midnight jolt]

try the crusher, it is so good, there is a godly build pinned on their channel

[mighty fractal]

It should be able to

Crusher is very flexible

I swap between the crusher and the Ironhelm

[proven crest]

so like, the single benefit of the crucis over ironhelm is 1 elite breakpoint on maulers

crusher is a good weapon, but i was talking about the enemy lol

[mighty fractal]

That and the massive boss damage yeah

[proven crest]

hate that fatshark named an enemy and weapon the same thing

[midnight jolt]

I know 😂

[mighty fractal]

Give ogryn 2h hammer please

[midnight jolt]

They should had called it ... Mace

[proven crest]

plus crucis self stuns you for longer than ironhelm i think

so in exchange for more boss damage and a single elite breakpoint

[umbral helm]

morningstar-style flail that can roll bleed blessings

[proven crest]

crucis loses the ability to cleave through hoards, and self stuns you for like an additional half second

doesn't seem worth it

[umbral helm]

I just really like flails conceptually, even if they aren't necessarily the best weapons

flails and whips, even though the latter weren't used for real combat typically historically

[proven crest]

i just imagine zealot saltzpyre alternatly smacking the rats and his own head with every spin of the flail

for ultimate flaggelant energy

[umbral helm]

flagellant was one of my favorite classes in Darkest Dungeon, funnily enough. just behind Abomination

[tawny pebble]

maybe his back, not his head

feel like a concussion every attack would be difficult to navigate lol

[proven crest]

wasn't there a vt2 mission where all the heros had to get drunk

or did i dream that

[viral flare]

anniversary mission iirc

buddy told me about it, comes around every march i think

[proven crest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTuDP-m3l1U

[cosmic sigil]

@plucky flax my boy namedropped in a youtube video along with chocob and telopots https://youtu.be/GbmpsGODo6k?si=4jM0UwVcWOy6YX_K&t=119

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-wink-pepe-wink-gif-18805786

[plucky flax]

[harsh urchin]

i think ppl use crucis for the one-shots on bosses

[plucky flax]

I'm scared. I'm too noob for this.

[harsh urchin]

not elites

[proven crest]

and like, that's a cool gimmick, but i don't think there's that much of a meaningful difference between killing a boss in 1 swing vs 2

[plucky flax]

Well I dunno why he has a smite hateboner. I play trauma I like it. I play smite I like it too.

[proven crest]

whereas all the stuff you give up for that 1 shot potential is really meaninfull

[plucky flax]

Just play what you like.

[harsh urchin]

eh I don't think you're wrong

but at the same time, there are people who think that that is a meaningful difference

and their opinion is valid as well

in the end I think it's a pretty fair tradeoff between the 2 hammers

much more of a choice than say dueling swords for example

[proven crest]

oh yeah definitly. i personally don't think the thunderhammer tradeoff is fair at all, but at least there is a clear tradeoff

it's not "1 of these things is better at literally everything than the other"

i don't really know conceptually how you balance 3 marks of weapons against each other in this game honestly

cause enemies mostly fit into the binary of "armored vs unarmored"

or "single target vs hoard clear"

[cosmic sigil]

it's very fun in the psykh and against sleeping dh

in a real run with someone kiting the boss it's a pain to get the oneshot

[umbral helm]

the factor that ends up deciding it for people when these factors are answered already ends up usually being moveset. some people admit that ds4 is better for straight damage but prefer say, ds5 or ds2 for their different movesets

which iirc was one of the things that ended up being why people preferred crucis, the moveset

[proven crest]

there are also weapons that are crippled JUST because of their moveset

like obscurus 2, catchan 1, or tacaxe 4

ironhelm moveset is really fun tho, especially since the changes

[prime elk]

I LOVE being stunned for two seconds after using my special. I also LOVE a pox walker intercepting my entirely horizontal special in a mixed horde!!!!!

[proven crest]

nice being able to easy access the overhead h3 with a push

[umbral helm]

moveset is also why the new evisc is considered so good compared to the old one, the sweeping lights and overhead heavies are generally preferred

almost to the point that I hardly see anyone using the older one in a lot of my pub games, it's always the new one

[proven crest]

the crucis vs thunderhammer moveset discussion is weird, because the thunderhammer has much much more complicated combos vs crucis heavy spam

but at the same time, the camera manipulation you have to do with crucis to make it a halfway functional weapon is so much more complicated than any other melee skill in the game

that it warps the comparison somewhat

[umbral helm]

I'll be honest, the following through with your swings thing was just a natural thing I've always done anyway so learning it was apparently some sort of tech was odd

[proven crest]

follow through is good

but i'm talking about sniping elites in hoards

avoiding poxwalkers by beginning the swing animation AT the priority target

so you don't mistakenly discharge on heretic #4232352353

instead of the rager

[umbral helm]

ah, that. I did notice that there was some weird functionality with the charged hits

[proven crest]

meanwhile ironhelm is out here deleting both the horde AND the rager

[umbral helm]

speaking of charged hits, is that weird interaction with the void shields taking less damage from one vs a normal hit still a thing?

[proven crest]

i have no idea

[midnight jolt]

I'm doing bad with the surge staff

[deft nymph]

yeah

[viral flare]

lmao

[rigid sky]

so, the whole fire trauma thing

very easy to blow yourself up with apparently

haven't run without shriek in a while too so having to get used to that and not having inner tranquility from the pre-talent tree days

since I'm trying to run with the middle keystone for my brain ruptures

[radiant frigate]

i am of the opinion that all keystones sucketh

take from that what you will

[rigid sky]

Warp charges can be great with shriek imo

spammable fire breath

[lethal lagoon]

Why s your warpfire so low?

[vale violet]

buy?

[lethal lagoon]

Half the point of Surge staff is flaming shriek spam.

I'm convinced anyone who thinks Surge staff isn't crazy good just doesn't use flaming shriek right.

[rigid sky]

Middle keystone, shield, and brain rupture (with the kinetic barrage modifier) is really nice as a combo too if you have a short range staff like purgatus or trauma

you can bunker down and clear out ranged elites like a wish.com plasma veteran

[strange fox]

does the void staff handle crushers and bulworks very well ?

[earnest laurel]

yes

[rigid sky]

Surge version splats them

[earnest laurel]