psyker-class

[lyric burrow]

yep

[untold niche]

on curio perk

of loadout config

[lyric burrow]

didnt miss a burster push

at all

[spice veldt]

zealot going zoom made me stare at the bottom and think that I could take it

[spice veldt]

much to think about

[lunar hollow]

well also i did something dumb and forgot i have a toughness bar that is deleted when i get burstered

[lyric burrow]

arco you know how big ledge grab boxes are in this game

its ok josho you burstered me back anyway

[steep fractal]

Psykers who blow themselves up twice a mission bullying a zealot for running off a bridge once?

[untold niche]

yeah less damage

[spice veldt]

i saw a visualization once and I think you can skim past it

[spice veldt]

it may or may not vary though for different locations

[vocal cliff]

Sometimes I just shoot barrels at my friend's when they play

[lyric burrow]

wow that sounds

[vocal cliff]

Just to fuck with them

[lyric burrow]

familiar

from the arco stories

[lunar hollow]

im not very smart

[steep fractal]

Alright we discovered burster resistance time to max corruption resistance

[vocal cliff]

We know josho

[spice veldt]

ptsd

[untold niche]

i thought josho top 1% zealot

must be smort

[lyric burrow]

he was very good

[spice veldt]

no he's top 1% ogryn

[vocal cliff]

I'm better because I have longer feet

[spice veldt]

(very dumb)

[untold niche]

i never see him in ogryn chat

oh

[spice veldt]

ogryn is his highest level character iirc

[untold niche]

arco

would you run

corruption resist

xD

for anti burster

burster resist

[spice veldt]

sure y not, if it gets you past a breakpoint

though i'd personally run +hp over it

[untold niche]

im going to test with 3

[lunar hollow]

my highest level was zealot for a long time until p13

and then i played a bunch of ogryn in part cuz i was farming kills for 1 million and cuz ogryn had the biggest like glow-up in terms of usable weapons

[untold niche]

all the names sound like what you woulkd name your characters other than josho

[vocal cliff]

Kronk???

Like

The one from emperors new groove

[lunar hollow]

yea

im not very original

[vocal cliff]

I love you

[lunar hollow]

theres a lot of kronks

[vocal cliff]

Nevermind I hate you

[lyric burrow]

isnt p13 also when you started hating ogryn

[vocal cliff]

Nevermind I think of you neutrally

[lyric burrow]

or did it take a while

[lunar hollow]

it took me a lot of in-depth analysis of the class

[spice veldt]

(playing kickback)

[vocal cliff]

Also tbf

[lunar hollow]

(i played all the broken stuff and then it got old and without all the broken stuff ogryn is just not a class)

[olive ember]

Josho hates ogryns?

[vocal cliff]

My name's aren't any more original

[olive ember]

I thought he loved ogryn

[lunar hollow]

i hate ogryn the class

[vocal cliff]

I don't blame him

[lunar hollow]

it's got such cool vibes

but such awful gameplay

[olive ember]

Remember guys

[lyric burrow]

you mean you dont want the worst movesets for bad damage youve ever seen

[olive ember]

Stamina regen is BiS

[vocal cliff]

I'm more prejudiced towards (almost) every ogryn

[lunar hollow]

its like

ogryn melees aren't bad at this point

[olive ember]

Ogryn is the “I win” button

[lunar hollow]

outside a couple of outliers

but theyre all very simplistic and boring

and if they do something well they do it very unengagingly

[olive ember]

They leaned into the “ogryn dumb” in pretty much everything with the class tbh

[untold niche]

wait arco

somehow

the pox burster deals less damage if i let it jump on me

[lunar hollow]

yea and its like, this isn't a good way to design the entirety of a class

u shouldnt have character identity based on being less interesting than other guys

[lyric burrow]

yeah that should probably be left to the personalities

[spice veldt]

yeah if you already have corruption, then it's better to be hit by the inner radius than the outer radius

[lyric burrow]

or at least make it easy/simple while being somewhat engaging

[untold niche]

no that snot what i meant boss

check the video

[lunar hollow]

u dont have to make all the weapons super complicated or w/e but u dont care about headshots outside of bm procs

[lyric burrow]

rather than

oh i got hit

and carry on

[lunar hollow]

movesets in large part boil down to mashing 1 attack type

[spice veldt]

oh probably because of corruption res

[lunar hollow]

in game ur defenses are almost completely passive outside of baseline dodging/sprinting etc which just feels sluggish on ogryn (which is fine but when coupled with other stuff its bad)

[untold niche]

waht kind of logic...

how does it calculate

[lyric burrow]

the reason my ogryn is so low level is i can play him like twice a month

and im bored

[lunar hollow]

i love the vibes of ogryn

[lyric burrow]

i cant even come up with anything new

[lunar hollow]

big dumb guy does big dumb cool stuff

[lyric burrow]

to try

[olive ember]

Give me an ogryn melee that’s op as fuck and so big that it restricts my ranged weapon

[spice veldt]

since there's more corruption for corruption res to reduce

[olive ember]

Melee only ogryn class

[lunar hollow]

but like cmon u cant do this to a class

[olive ember]

For the funny

[lunar hollow]

@lyric burrow are you playing

[lyric burrow]

yeah

[spice veldt]

i forget how much corruption res exactly is

[untold niche]

so both inner and outer deal same total damage
but inner deals more corruption damage compared to hp damage

[spice veldt]

or if it's multiplicative or not, but that's the gist

[untold niche]

so meaning

[spice veldt]

ye

[untold niche]

yeah.

[lyric burrow]

i was making a new lasgun and was about to hop in a mission

[cyan notch]

dinner

[spice veldt]

OwO

[lyric burrow]

but im still in the hub

[untold niche]

im going to go try running hp

[lunar hollow]

im going to try to get the throwing knife 1 shot on a crusher in a live game

[untold niche]

isn't taht like annoint + revolvo

i saw a video before on that

not sure if its revolvo but tknife 1 shotting crusher

[lyric burrow]

josho hates revo

[vocal cliff]

Boooo

[lyric burrow]

id be surprised if he was trying for the revo one

[lunar hollow]

im doing it with revolver

the plan is

i never shoot gunners

because throwing knives are suppression immune

which means tknives + revolver is a meta combination if u try really hard to think about it

[lyric burrow]

well you just need to stack surgical dont you

[lunar hollow]

wait i have to see if this works without annoint

[spice veldt]

500iq

[lunar hollow]

i dont wanna go back to only 1 charge

[untold niche]

ueaj arcp

hp is better for poxb resist

compared to corruption

[spice veldt]

yeah that's what i figured

i think corruption res does win if you're taking a bunch of corruption

[untold niche]

even on inner

[spice veldt]

but it's also eh

[lunar hollow]

fuck

[untold niche]

does c resist, resist the corruption you take when you get downed?

[lunar hollow]

ok ill try it when im not doing blazing piety hsword

back to laspistol

[spice veldt]

nah

[untold niche]

i can't test it becauhse in psk when you die you die

[spice veldt]

there's a keybind to help yourself back up

so you can become incapacitated and the keybind will act as if another player revived you

[lyric burrow]

@lunar hollow disconnect give me 2 seconds

[lunar hollow]

1

2

it's over

[spice veldt]

rip

[lyric burrow]

im in

[untold niche]

oh i have that bound, i forgot that existed
because when i die from poxb in psk i die for rela

tbh

how come that is the case

[lunar hollow]

ok if we get another bulwark 6 stack im going to do bad things

[untold niche]

does the corruption go over one bar

[lyric burrow]

you mean 6 bulwark 6 stacks

[spice veldt]

if you're getting hit by two in a row without healing, yeah

since the corruption is inflicted first

[lunar hollow]

[spice veldt]

so if you have some corruption and not enough hp remaining, it'll deal enough corruption to knock you down to your last wound and then deal the hp damage

consequently killing you

[untold niche]

i see

i think

i will be bored of this game soon ngl

i have tried whatever i want to try

i don't think i wil ltry vet

[spice veldt]

i like vet for a playstyle where I can just hold down M1 with a gun

just because of survivalist and +25% ammo

[untold niche]

that seems very, brain off

[spice veldt]

yup

i always gravitate to the brain off stuff

[granite mauve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhqWHIq-aZw

[spice veldt]

because it basically does the same thing as the stuff that requires your brain

[granite mauve]

listen to this to get motivated to play vet

[untold niche]

but don't we play games because its engaging xD

[granite mauve]

vet can be brain off/on like any other class

[spice veldt]

i like darktide for the power fantasy

[granite mauve]

it's about how you build your character

[spice veldt]

yeah, I'm intentionally going for brain off builds

I do the same on zealot and psyker

[vocal cliff]

Hence the columnus power sword shout

[spice veldt]

i'm agri brauto now 😎

[vocal cliff]

What the flipnarp

[spice veldt]

imagine holding down right click to ADS when i can just hold down LMB

[granite mauve]

I have a vet build with Kantrael lasgun and the foldable shovel, it allows you to deal with p much everything but not in a brain off way

[vocal cliff]

This is like not telling us new evidence before a court case

[spice veldt]

ace attorney style

[untold niche]

i feel like there are better game for this
but prob not in terms of fps (maybe that melee singleplayer game that was free on gog?)

[spice veldt]

i generally like horde games and darktide checks off quite a few boxes in that regard

[vocal cliff]

I remember when Arco said

[spice veldt]

and it has a progression system, albeit a poopoo one

i would never say such vulgar things

keep the photoshop in your pants

[untold niche]

i feel this is a decent amount of time for like 50 dollars
none of my friends want to buy it.
if they do ill prob play for longer

[vocal cliff]

"it's sharding time" and sharded all over the place

[spice veldt]

iiiiii would never

yeah darktide is starting to hit a lull for me

i got into it for vet for a l4d2-like playstyle with guns

but then I got scammed out of attachments

[vocal cliff]

I should've ran out of things to do with darktide like other games

But I surprisingly haven't

[spice veldt]

you have too much power in your hands

[untold niche]

im glad you enjoy my paint memes

[spice veldt]

and then i went into psyker cuz of no ammo required, and now I'm back to vet after being enlightened to the ammo economy of this game

[untold niche]

maybe if there was a funnier opportunity i would use powerpoint

[spice veldt]

:(

[granite mauve]

you mean the lack of it when running surv

[spice veldt]

true

i don't know when the bubble will pop but i'm all in

[untold niche]

i feel like i can't do good on zealot and i can't figure out why exactly
people have been telling me to slide and chatise more which i did but didn't seem to help

[spice veldt]

i feel i do pretty well by just holding W and running caxes

[untold niche]

and even carrying (on my psyker) got tiring, which was why i stopped playing 2/3 weeks ago for a bit

[vocal cliff]

My most consistent successful runs is usually with psyker

[spice veldt]

i do think that builds matter more than people give credit

[vocal cliff]

And somehow gunpsyker too

[cyan notch]

just gotta wait for the chaos wastes mode

[untold niche]

i think its like 80%

[cyan notch]

and versus

[granite mauve]

versus in dt no thanks

[vocal cliff]

Darktide versus but it's just a race to see who'll insta lock trapper

[granite mauve]

not with current specials

[untold niche]

there was a couple two people i helped here that when they told me they couldn't get on normal damnation i was convinced it was a build issue and i was right

[granite mauve]

need a whole new roster for versus

[vocal cliff]

Like no one would want to play anything but bomber trapper and flamer

[granite mauve]

and sniper

mostly sniper

[untold niche]

i want to play dog

dude can wallrun

like naruto

on HG at least :v

no scatch that

i want to play poxyb

[spice veldt]

yeah, just running the easy-to-use yet effective builds will just put people past that threshold of holding their own

[untold niche]

[spice veldt]

terrifying

[vocal cliff]

You'd basically do the spawn and go

[spice veldt]

i guess that's why you're in psyker chat

psyker's explosion should deal friendly fire

[untold niche]

no i am a skilled player, i will try to find ledges using my insane 200 iq map knowledge to stealth bomb

[vocal cliff]

Arco why

[spice veldt]

and inflict soulblaze

[untold niche]

watch as they instantly go down from your full charged voidstrike surge proc

[spice veldt]

and also each tick of soulblaze has a 10% chance of having haymaker's effect

[untold niche]

i mean those people were running skill nodes on psyker that don't even work (as advertised)

[spice veldt]

oh yeah, just avoiding stuff that's misleading

the knowledge checks in this game

[untold niche]

imo this game becomes as easy as somethjing like assassin's creed when you have the knowledge

:v

or rather when you have the right build

don't even need the knowledge

what other games

do you guys play

[spice veldt]

i used to play l4d2 a bunch

i might get back into it but i think the simpler gameplay it has might now turn me away

cyberpunk 2077, vampire survivor derivatives,

[vocal cliff]

I used to play ow2 religiously

[untold niche]

i got burnt out from ow2
too many drastic changes

[spice veldt]

yeah i was in a phase of those competitive shooters once upon a time

[hard widget]

I used to play ow1 religiously

[vocal cliff]

The seasons after 6 fell off hard

Don't feel like waiting for season 9

Used to play destiny 2 as well but I really got tired of it

[spice veldt]

i usually liked the deathmatch modes of stuff like csgo/overwatch

[untold niche]

tbh, i never liked that game.

1. i have bad sense of direction so it was hard to navigate
2. i just don't find it fun that all i do is really shoot stuff

i never understood why so many people loved it either

[vocal cliff]

I just got back into Titanfall

Along with just starting GG a few days back

[hard widget]

whats gg

[untold niche]

guilty gear

[vocal cliff]

Guilty Gear

[spice veldt]

for me, custom maps catapulted l4d2 into a really good game for me

[hard widget]

ah guilty gear

[untold niche]

oh?

[spice veldt]

just going through different environments

[hard widget]

I want titanfall 3 so baad

[untold niche]

custom maps as in source mods? or just really custom maps xD

[spice veldt]

just custom maps usually

[granite mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/potemkin-saul-goodman-guilty-gear-gif-17403564514510396103

[vocal cliff]

Potemkin is going to haunt me

Everytime I type P

[spice veldt]

l4d2's server browser shows custom maps and you can easily download maps to join whatever people happen to be playing

[vocal cliff]

He's there on YouTube

[granite mauve]

you either play Potemkin or you're a victim of Potemkin

[untold niche]

ah

[vocal cliff]

I've seen more montage clips of Potemkin than my actual main

[untold niche]

first time i saw someone mention him in this chat mid convo with me i thought they recognized my name

[vocal cliff]

Everyone does

It was actually planned but got scrapped

Or something similar at least

[hard widget]

everyone except respawn, cant really blame em, since apex took off like a rocket

[untold niche]

i beleive all resources went to apex

but i don't like vr

very sad

[vocal cliff]

Absolutely

[untold niche]

br

[vocal cliff]

Never liked battle Royales

[hard widget]

afaik, titanfall 3 basically got turned into apex

[untold niche]

too inconsistent for my taste

[spice veldt]

i dislike battle royales because the "respawn time" is too long

[untold niche]

just drop hot and go fight

see

[spice veldt]

i much prefer arena shooters just cuz respawn times are instant

[untold niche]

fast respawn time

[cyan notch]

just dont die lol

[spice veldt]

OwO what's this

[hard widget]

apex is hard, theres a lot of chad fps players playing it nonstop

[vocal cliff]

Ah I remember getting back into F4 for the sake of doing a different mod playthrough as well

So I went all halo

[untold niche]

f4, fallout f4? but that looks like halo

[vocal cliff]

I modded the game a lot

[granite mauve]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/744573101676691546/926720095571546132/i_could_kill_you.gif

[hard widget]

fallout 4 can look like anything you want it to

[vocal cliff]

It's the fox ears isn't it

[hard widget]

you can turn it into skyrim at this point if you want

[untold niche]

i don't enjoy (though sometime si try just for the fun of it)
to mod to change the thematics

i don't think

im very normal

[hard widget]

I mean, I like quality of life mods

[cyan notch]

there are cat ears in infinite

[untold niche]

in a bad way, not like hey look at me im quirky way

[vocal cliff]

I slapped a replaced for ghouls to be flood

[granite mauve]

gaming has fallen

[vocal cliff]

And synths to be necrons

[untold niche]

miki minaj being in cod is a popular thumbnail atm on youtube

[vocal cliff]

What

Like

[spice veldt]

OwO

[vocal cliff]

The celebrity Niki

[hard widget]

yes

[vocal cliff]

What the hell

[cyan notch]

wait till u see fortnite

[vocal cliff]

What the fuck happened

[hard widget]

call of duty in 2023

[spice veldt]

wow gaming got better

[untold niche]

no idea how i spelt it correctly in google

[cyan notch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1097380076393353349/1150807450849644584/46252AE8-FBE2-49BF-86AB-FC17DB6C0295.gif

[untold niche]

slayyyy

[vocal cliff]

Fortuite I'm already prepared for

With Peter griffin and all that

[untold niche]

on the topic of gaming trends

[cyan notch]

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-fortnite-dance-halo-dance-moves-griddy-gif-9603435126532249657

[hard widget]

still no mario in fortnite, Nintendo is holding out hard

[untold niche]

im waiting for the time when nioh 2 goes mainstream because some popular streamer demostrates and explain how to play it properly and i can finally say see i told you dark souls sucks

[hard widget]

I mean nioh 2 is mainstream

it had its day

it just doesnt have the meme potential or legacy dark souls does

[vocal cliff]

Two extra bits of a more recent picture of the mods

[untold niche]

i wouldn't call it mainstream, i never really knew what it was beyojnd maybe seeing it as a pc gamer article until some dude told on discord told me "hey this game actually pretty fun"

[hard widget]

Nioh 2 was a huge success, as was nioh 1, its a well made soulslike after all, and its hard to go wrong with those nowadays

[untold niche]

i don't think ds3 has any legacy
its popularity seemingly came from alot of internet activity basically saying
"very hard game but super fair omg you guys should try"

i understand ds2

was well regarded

[hard widget]

its the other way around

[untold niche]

well, ds3 seemed to be the one that got super popular which si why i phrased it that way.

[untold niche]

none of my friends that play games even knew about nioh2
even talking non personally i don't think its mainstream at all

its quite different from souls game imo
its about the same as souls as souls is to monster hunter

both (mh and souls) are "hard melee game where you dodge then take your turn to attack that has very long animation lock"

[hard widget]

right, ds 2 is considered the worst of the three, and thats the original dark souls trilogy, then theres all the soulslike games it inspired, like surge, nioh, lies of p , lords of the fallen , mortal shell, remnant (kinda), wo long fallen dynasty , darksiders 3

etc

[vocal cliff]

Code vein

[untold niche]

question right

monster hunter came out before souls right?

at least i think so

[vocal cliff]

Lemme find out rq

[hard widget]

yeah theres a bunch others, some inspired in smaller ways , like jedi fallen order

and theres fromsoftwares own games which are soulslike ofc

[untold niche]

so i don't think souls was the original :v

[hard widget]

sekiro, bloodborne, demon souls( which was before dark souls), elden ring

[cyan notch]

dork souls lmfao

[vocal cliff]

Yeah

Mh came out in 2004

Dark souls 1 in 2011

[untold niche]

demon souls 2009

but yeah

[vocal cliff]

Yes

Couldn't find demon's souls

[untold niche]

"hard melee game where you dodge then take your turn to attack that has very long animation lock"
wasn't new

[hard widget]

thats not all thats in common with soulslikes though

[radiant frigate]

souls discussion here? a surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one

[untold niche]

i knwo theres the save point, but i don;'t believe the star wars game had that

[radiant frigate]

anyway ds2 good actually

[untold niche]

the save point AND if you die you lose "currency" of some sorts

[radiant frigate]

there was, actually

you lost experience

and left behind a Definitely Not Bloodstain you could pick up

[untold niche]

oh yeah

[hard widget]

all the games im referring to share ideas with level design, the shrine system, the sparse narrative and more worldbuilding, , difficult bosses but also annoying enemies among other things etc etc, and fallen order did have fireshrines, they just werent an exact copy paste

usually dystopian setting

[untold niche]

hmm, i think i overlook all these because i don't appreciate these stuffs.
which is not good, im just admitting that.

thats prob why im so focused on the gameplay

[hard widget]

gothic horror vibes, it goes on and on, soulslike is a genre by itself, which nioh is very much a heavy member of

[vocal cliff]

Wish I got the chance to play bloodborne

[untold niche]

esp since alot of people say ds3 is fun because of the gameplay

[vocal cliff]

Tho not a fan of the low ass frames I see via gameplay

[untold niche]

i finished the dog boss and got bored :v

[vocal cliff]

Vordt I'm assuming

[radiant frigate]

console exclusives, we hates it

[untold niche]

idk name, it was like third boss or something

[hard widget]

I mean, I prefer nioh 2 to ds 3 personally, but thats also because Im a sucker for the samurai setting, and nioh is fast paced

[vocal cliff]

Yeah

[hard widget]

plus nioh 2 came later so

[terse scroll]

Nioh mentioned

WEEOOOOOOOOOOOHHHH

Ahhh game

[vocal cliff]

I need to play the fucking...one with the Glock saint

[radiant frigate]

sekiro

[vocal cliff]

Yeah

[radiant frigate]

recommend

[untold niche]

i feel gameplay wise nioh 2 very different.
you don't have to take your turn if you know what you are doing (e.g. some boss moves don't track so you can attack while he is attacking)

[hard widget]

yes, I prefer sekiro to nioh, for the exact same reasons

[untold niche]

thats just one example of course

and theres also the fact that nioh2 has tech

that isn't easy to do, but extremely cool with a practical purpose

[radiant frigate]

most memorable sekiro boss other than glock saint has to be a certain horseman

[untold niche]

i honestly rate nioh as one of the best singleplayer games

[radiant frigate]

you will know his name

[terse scroll]

Nioh is very stats math kind of games. Lots of endgame builds revolve around stun locking bosses or dishing out ungodly amounts of damage in seconds.

[hard widget]

GYOBU MASATAKA ONIWA

[terse scroll]

Shit there's a whole tower of power esc mode in Nioh 2 that's just built to push builds to their limit

[vocal cliff]

Ah the "MY NAAAME" guy

[radiant frigate]

Yes

S+ voice acting

[untold niche]

i don't agree with you, maybe its hjow you phrase it.
the way you say seems to me like nioh2 = grind and you have easier time

like thats all nioh2 is

withotu the depth

[hard widget]

also , I remember playing nioh 1 when it came out and I was like , " finally someone made a samurai soulslike, what I always wanted" then fromsoftware released sekiro shortly after nioh and my brains melted in dopamine

[terse scroll]

Negative, Nioh 2 = if you don't pay attention to what your stats and gear do you'll fuck your whole playthrough.

[radiant frigate]

i should play these games again sometime

[hard widget]

play lies of p

its sooo goooodd

[terse scroll]

It's a flexible game, but it punished you.

[untold niche]

eh there is some requirement that you don't go C agility i guess

[terse scroll]

I'm stuck in the fucking cathedral tower rn I hate it.

[hard widget]

LMAO

im still playing through the game, maybe 30% ish done, but its just so damn good

[untold niche]

but either way i really like the gameplay!

i stopped playing it and right now i don't have the time to play it

imo its about the same commitment level as an FG

[hard widget]

I recently finished elden ring too, which is of course glorious, and now im playing lies of p and I cant handle how good this genre is as a thing by itself

miyakazi goated

[untold niche]

but yeh, am going to be bored of this game

i think it would be a good game to default to with friends though

just to destress

[terse scroll]

I just started this game last week.

I need to make friends because randoms keep just fucking me up.

[untold niche]

i played for 223 hours, started at patch 13 which is 2 motnhs ago i think

or 1month+

[terse scroll]

Oh jeez and you got all that done? Wish I was that good lmao

I'm over here struggling in Malice

[untold niche]

got what done, those are just levels
ok hold on let me show you what you need to learn in game

which is pretty simple :v

[terse scroll]

I meant the fancy headpieces I see you have

That's really just my goal

[radiant frigate]

i think I'm sitting around 400 hours

[untold niche]

if you are dying in damnation:
do you stick with team
do you know your shove is 360
Do you know kill priority
do you know how to dodge trapper
do you know how to dodge dog
do you know how to shove poxburster
Do you know how to stand behind a wall when you get shot
do you know you can dodge and/or slide bullets
if its yes to all, its build

[radiant frigate]

first 100-something were spent leveling every class in The Before Times™️

[terse scroll]

Dress up my Warhammer OCS then probably use them in a Rogue Trader game later with my friends irl bc I prefer table top over anything.

[untold niche]

melee through walls isn't taht important but good thing to abuse

[modern bronze]

sometimes the game just decides ur gonna become a dead body tho

so it'd have to be consistent cockups

[untold niche]

thats a premium cosmetic

i personally can't be assed to grind penance

because one tier needs you to run a private game

with people helping you sometimes

[radiant frigate]

shove is 360 too? TIL

[untold niche]

block as well, but iirc blocking the back attack cost more stamina, but am not sure

[terse scroll]

The only penace for Psykers that makes me question sanity is the popping a poc hound mid pounce.

[radiant frigate]

block i was aware of

why's that

[untold niche]

thats why you can on react to dog bark by shoving

[hard widget]

I still havent done warp battery, im done with the rest of psykers penanecs

[terse scroll]

It's really hard to do with randoms.

[untold niche]

thats prob one of the easier ones

[radiant frigate]

warp battery was considerably less asinine in The Before Times™️

[vocal cliff]

I did it on complete accident

[terse scroll]

Yeah it's no Vet Penances...

[vocal cliff]

Actually most penitence I did on accident

[radiant frigate]

explode a head every 20-ish seconds

et voila

[modern bronze]

mm

yes

'accidents'

[radiant frigate]

vet penances are funny because i got them off of other people's shooty ults

veryniceyes

[hard widget]

the only penances im left with across all classes are warp battery on psyker and shocking stuff on zealot , they annoy me

[radiant frigate]

On Overwatch is a stupid penance

[terse scroll]

It's sadistic

[untold niche]

good luck doing the private game penances

[hard widget]

its a stupid penance yeah, but unlike most of the psyker penances, on overwatch and the accuracy one actually made me a better player

[radiant frigate]

why must you ask me to avoid melee

we hates it

on overwatch just made me hate everything

[hard widget]

private game penances are quite easy tbh, you can just ask in this server and get it done, the penances themselves are easy, getting a group is the only hard part

[radiant frigate]

one other person is all it takes for a private game

[terse scroll]

I'm not gonna front while I still haven't gotten those Penances they've made me a better shot and really good at dodging.

[radiant frigate]

did malleus yesterday

[untold niche]

all the ones i don't have are because i don't use warp or BB

[terse scroll]

I be doing Gunkata with the revolver now.

[untold niche]

i never purposefully tried for the penances

[hard widget]

yeah but something like just a flesh wound is much easier with 4 man team, you can do malleus v easily with just one other person

[untold niche]

the one where you knock off X amount of enemies i got by just palying yeah

[radiant frigate]

flesh wound is stupid yes

[untold niche]

is flesh wound a psyker p? i can't find it

[terse scroll]

Zealot

[radiant frigate]

zealot

[untold niche]

redacted?

or normal

[orchid shadow]

That one shouldn't that hard as you can pre-charge a BB and hold it until it's about to pounce.

[terse scroll]

Yes

[hard widget]

redacted

all 3 private game penances are redacted

[radiant frigate]

i think i might officially have all psyker penances now

[untold niche]

doesn't seem that hard to do on heresy

[terse scroll]

I didn't know you could precharge

I've been timing all of my brain pops

[hard widget]

its not, its harder than malleus monstronum though

[untold niche]

but question is how do you damage yourself

[radiant frigate]

20 minutes kinda hard to do

[hard widget]

stand in fire

[vocal cliff]

I thought it was just kill a monstrosity with BB the hell

[untold niche]

pretty sure it works in low int as well

[untold niche]

tbh i always assumed this is super hard because i don't know how bb scales

[hard widget]

do an assassination mission, it goes by fast

[radiant frigate]

yeah but imagine having to wait for a specific mission type to pop with a specific modifier just so you can do a penance

asinine

[hard widget]

bb does good dmg on bosses, and secondly, its v easy to do on plague ogryn and bon, because bons are super slow and plague ogryns dont have much health

[untold niche]

i thionk most people here can do low int heresy, taht penance

[orchid shadow]

Yeah, you can Right-click hold to charge the BB meter charges to full without firing until you left click. Good for catching things as soon as they round a corner if you hear they're getting closer.

[radiant frigate]

i would rather just precharge illisi

spellstrike be upon ye

[untold niche]

i see, i played this game during open beta and BB left a very bad taste in my mouth so i never touched BB again
assail made my heresy and below games boring (someone else using) and when i tried it i didn't like how it felt so never touched that too xD

[terse scroll]

Until I get the brain pops Penances I'm sticking with brain pop

But once I'm done is Palestine time

[hard widget]

I mean, I hate bb, I only used it for the penances

[terse scroll]

PALPATINE***

PALPATINE TIME******

[radiant frigate]

i am never switching off brain pop again

[untold niche]

whats brain pop

[radiant frigate]

head asplode

[untold niche]

you can turn that off>?

i don't get

[radiant frigate]

mind blown

what i am saying is I'm not unironically going to use smite or assail

[untold niche]

i see

[radiant frigate]

not having brain burst is absolute agony

[untold niche]

i find bb too long to charge

and again

in beta

the damage was really low

[hard widget]

bb is a pain to use for me

[terse scroll]

There's abilities that make the charge significantly quicker

[untold niche]

i stood there like an idiot thinking it will insta kill
Doesn't, ok i assumed its massive damage.
Nope, teammate dealt mroe damage walking up to enemy and hitting his head

[radiant frigate]

the spell that makes people's heads explode didn't oneshot specials

[untold niche]

i don't want to run EP

[radiant frigate]

💀

just use the modifier then

fast casts after pressing f

[hard widget]

I run bb and use it very rarely for long distance enemies, everything else is purg staff and deimos

[terse scroll]

Yeah base BB doesn't one shot. But modifiers and abilities make BB start one shotting pretty early on.

[tawny jetty]

Why charge BB to kill 1 guy when you can charge a void blast and kill a whole line of em?

[terse scroll]

But then again I also use BB as a support, targeting any elites out of range like snipers.

And it ignores Bulwarks.

[untold niche]

this one?
but you only get an F every 30 seconds
and its not like everytime i want to bb i want to shriek or bubble.

and its hard to justify havign something with so slow windup that can only kill one thing

[hearty oak]

Cause bb didn't adapt well since launch

[untold niche]

^
or blaze trauma and kill a circle of them

[terse scroll]

Add soul fire with BB

Alogn with the ability that makes BB happen with whatever damage you output as well

[hard widget]

that talent is really bad though

its got very limiting conditions that make it not worth picking

[untold niche]

isn't it technically debatable on purg xD

[dawn spoke]

that's why people don't run brain burst with voidstrike
the other staves have short range

[hard widget]

nah, you got way better options even on purg

[hearty oak]

I'd still say they could have changed it to a multilock ability

[dawn spoke]

not if you need to brain burst

[terse scroll]

I'm only standing BB because I've pulled clutches with it tbh

[tawny jetty]

Yeah, that's fair. Makes more sense on a purgatus build, for sure.

[untold niche]

i would rather run assail than BB and deal with the fact that i can't kill someone outside of assail range

[hard widget]

like, every 15 seconds you have a 10% chance to bb something, even on purg, thats going to be a poxwalker 90% of the time

[untold niche]

doesn't feel good to charge so lojng just to kill one single guy

[hard widget]

so you basically end up overkilling a poxwalker every 15 seconds at best

[terse scroll]

NOT UH NOT UH

[untold niche]

i meran if you are insane enough to gamble on a mixed horde god may bless youi

[hard widget]

yeah but why bother, just take a better talent

[untold niche]

god always bless me on my voidstrike though

crusher always get crit when im about to die

[terse scroll]

Tbh as soon as I'm done with these Penances I won't touch BB

The other abilities are objectively better.

[dawn spoke]

I think someone got confused and thought we were talking about kinetic flayer again

[hard widget]

im talking about kinetic flayer

[untold niche]

he was @dawn spoke

[dawn spoke]

oh I see

yeah kinetic flayer is bad don't do it

[hard widget]

yes

[terse scroll]

IT HAS SAVED ME

So I will defend it

[untold niche]

bro i think you should go to a casino

[hard widget]

Im sure it has, but a better talent can save you too

[untold niche]

90% of gamblers quit before they make it big

[terse scroll]

You not wrong

[untold niche]

for me

the best part of this game

is this discord server

kinda cringe but

the regulars here gave me advice that made my game very fun

and i do ping some of them alot admittedly

[terse scroll]

Tbh as soon as I picked up a power sword I was flabbergasted at how charging a sword that's not even upgraded was outputting more damage than this ability I had modified to the max.

[hard widget]

this discord server is deeply necessary tbh, because half the talents literally dont do what they say

[untold niche]

wait force sword or power sword

[terse scroll]

Uhhhh

Hold on

[untold niche]

i think you mean force sword

[hard widget]

and I need someone to tell me what a talent does, because the wording is wrong so often

[terse scroll]

The first one you get

Yeah force sword I think

[untold niche]

please don't be a power sword fan
power sword is only available on vet

that shit is meta as hell

i seen vets not know how to dodge dogs because of psword and shout

on a5mael

[terse scroll]

No I'm a shovel Stan on my vet.

And I will not budge.

Shovel is life.

[untold niche]

play ogryn

learn how to aim your GG

be ultiamte sniper cleaner

[dawn spoke]

illisi does what the power sword does without needing to be charged to be useful

[terse scroll]

I use my Ogryn purely as a meat shield

[untold niche]

you should try using GG

[terse scroll]

I've tackled a lotta pox walkers and mutants out of the way of the lil uns

[hard widget]

oh you're missing out my guy, ogryn puts out disgusting amounts of dmg

[untold niche]

^ and that as well

[terse scroll]

I'm aware of that

I'm waiting till I unlock the later weapons

[untold niche]

my favourite wepaon to use that i no longer have is still shield

i genuinely didn't understand why people were complaining about ragers and in game seem to be afraid of crushers

after i switched to zealot (second class i tried) then i understood

[terse scroll]

Ragers just seem to be inconsistent imo.

Crushers are ez.

[untold niche]

your toughnes regen can tank ragers
and the shield staggers them mid combo even iirc

[tawny jetty]

Yeah, their range is ridiculous too.

[untold niche]

thats the only problem i had with ragers all along

their insane range

i don't think t hey needed the hp buff

nerf*

[spice veldt]

funnily enough, your melee does outrange ragers but the margin is very tight

[untold niche]

ragers don't feel scary anymore, they fele like mild annoyances that you acknowledge you would prob take a bit of hp damage

[untold niche]

i don't think it does if they do their reaching stab

[spice veldt]

yeah after you get ptsd frrom them, you spec into something that can deal with ragers

[untold niche]

the one where usually onyl happens when they are far from you then the yclose in and do that

[spice veldt]

one of their non-combo attacks?

[untold niche]

i think so? its something htey initiate with

taht one has fucking insane range

[umbral helm]

the only time ragers tend to give me trouble at this point is when 6 of them just sort of appear out of the cut silently and suddenly I'm on the floor

[spice veldt]

yeah it's one of those sad things where they should've just nerfed their quantity instead of hp

since the current game difficulty meta is just spamming a lot of elites at you who are very easily one or two-shot

[untold niche]

the one where they lean in iirc
all i remember is that they had an initiation attack that had insane range that i no matter what i tried couldn't beat

[spice veldt]

oh yeah i do recall like a lunge move

[tawny jetty]

Yep. I've had trouble with a lot of sound queues in this game. I'll hear a bomber "reporting for duty" 10 rooms away but that pack of ragers or crushers/maulers just appear 5ft from my face.

[spice veldt]

sound is extremely fucked

[formal stump]

How low would you rate this staff? Is it unfixable garbage because of 60% damage? I don't have anything else

[untold niche]

i feel, they should get a sound que on spawn or at least have it consistent, so that they don't appear out of no where in a horde and you are 3 meters away from them, and they have extremelt fast movement speed and that stupid lunge move

[spice veldt]

yeah at least given their namesake

sound is so sketchy in this game to varying amounts of reliability depending on the map section

[untold niche]

trhat was the core problem with ragers

it feels like a stealth bomb

thats why it was a dps check

because you couldn't be ready for it

and even if they are far, lets say they are in a mixed horde

what are you going to do lmao

they are man height

[tawny jetty]

Just rock that til you can find something better, I guess. Not ideal but it will still kill and stun things. I feel your pain.

[untold niche]

tbh don't get too sad because you will want to grind for t4 blessings anyway

[umbral helm]

sound issues are why I often will ping things even if audio seems fine for the time being, if you can't hear it you might as well be able to see it. I'm usually the one doing all the spotting, more than most vets even if they're running the talent

[untold niche]

i used to spot alot to headshot easier and stuff but i got lazy

sometimes i will spot if its a gunner and i half charge, meaning im gambling if i will kill it

[formal stump]

I don't think I will, I'm not gonna play 1000 games for the miniscule chance to get great modifiers and 2 perfect perks/blessings

[untold niche]

trsut me it doesn't take that long

1 week is enough

[formal stump]

How many hours weekly do you play? 100?

[umbral helm]

it's just something that ends up blending into the natural groove of playing a mission, after a while. focusing on everything going on during a horde and taking the second or two it takes to ping the current priority threat to make it getting taken care of collectively more likely

[untold niche]

i only have 223 hours, but my ogryn and psyker each have 1 set
my zealot has 2 weapons and three guns

[formal stump]

Yeah I don't really believe that

[formal stump]

I've gotten like 100 surge staves at this point and like 10 at most had good stats (probably less), and after upgrading they turned out bad because of horrible perks and blessings

[umbral helm]

also I don't play as often anymore, but my psyker is more or less finished, have 1 of each class at 30, and the others have at least a couple "builds" they can use. vets my least played

mostly preference on that. I find vet the simplest to get into but also the most boring for that same reason

I'd have to check my exact hours

almost 700, apparently

18.2 of which were in the last 2 weeks

[untold niche]

i had a white flamer that i deleted by accident :v
Im not sure how many plasteel on average for each t4 blessing,
but stat stick wise its around 300k dockets before hadron doesnt' brick it

[untold niche]

i genuinely have no reason to lie to you, i just personally feel it would be a better use of time to just grind for a t4 compared to using a t3 and "upgrading later"

[untold niche]

i don't grind for curios, so i just take it as curios i only have 2 perks i can control

i can't be assed to wait for new curios to drop everyday

on that topic, previously i was running +2 stam on psyker, and i don't feel the difference of +2 vs +3

[haughty star]

Yeah I have less than 200 in and have streamlined weapons for many builds

[untold niche]

the caxe is basically a godroll btw

[haughty star]

Only God roll I have is this

[untold niche]

very cool

pokey pokey

[haughty star]

Mfw I make a shield instead of a sword

Fucking hadron lol

[untold niche]

@formal stump but yeah im not here to flex, im just here to make your game more fun

[untold niche]

i thought you WNATEd block and stam

for perks

[formal stump]

Giving me false hope isn't gonna accomplish that but thanks

[untold niche]

oh ya baz, i was thinking and i actually prefered my rashad than a conventional god roll one
im assumign the thresholds won't be different or that different
and i rather have the slightly higher mobil

[haughty star]

I just made lemonade out of lemons lol the other blessing was like grade 2 version of the one that does quelling on weakspot and the other perk was grade 2 block eff or some shit

[untold niche]

it isn't false hope, i have no reason to lie to you
you can ask around. most people spend 300k dockets on a weapon

[untold niche]

you get like 60k per mission end game so tahts like what 5 games only

i think normal damnation pays 50k

so ok 6 games?

[umbral helm]

it is very dependent on your personal RNG what you get for weapons

[vestal fulcrum]

50k if you’re running HISTG with ordo docket curios, maybe

[haughty star]

Yeah it heavily depends on what difficulty you play at too like I literally won't play at 4 anymore

Just not worth my time lmfao I need those tubes n' cubes

[formal stump]

My gear is trash so I'm gonna get smoked on 5s

Just need to right click a mauler 6 times with surge staff to kill it, no biggie -.-

[untold niche]

just found out normal damn pays 20k
so thats uh idk how many games
but uh, after you get a single set it would be easy to farm histg or mael anyway

[vestal fulcrum]

Gear doesn’t matter on 5 as much as your general skill

You can play with subpar weapons and win

[untold niche]

psyker very build dpendent, if you are not level 30, play assail

and yes i also suffered like you did

i wanted to get used to staff

[haughty star]

Thats average for a surge staff and surge is one of the best choices for auric lol

[untold niche]

so i used voidstrike right when i could

i was shooting pea shooters

dude i got blocked by someone

[haughty star]

It tazes everything lol

[untold niche]

thats how bad i was performing

[formal stump]

What surge staff? Doesn't it hit like 2 targets?

[vestal fulcrum]

Well, maybe, but there’s more criteria to that. If I’m playing with a team, I can win most of the times, and with a team of random people it’s a bit of a lottery

[untold niche]

my random games of a5histg were fairly consistent

[umbral helm]

if you hate yourself and want money you can play the auric maelstroms that are 80k+ innately

[haughty star]

Nvm I was thinking crusher lolol but still it don't one or two tap mauler unless you got something funky going on its usually 3

[vestal fulcrum]

Try Maelstrom with fresh lv30 people that think they can pull their weight/somewhat expect to be carried

[untold niche]

i dodge maelstrom if they are less than +10

[haughty star]

What gear DO you have @formal stump

[vestal fulcrum]

I just started leaving games like these. There is no hope in carrying 3 people on my back with no one to rely on at least partially

[untold niche]

my maelstrom win rate if im playing my actual main class is 7-3
a5histg seems to be around 8-2 or 9-1

[vestal fulcrum]

If people can’t handle hordes solo, say during events, that’s a problem

[haughty star]

Low key grade 3 maelstrom are lit for money

Like 20 minute clear and 50k or more

[spice veldt]

damn they pay that much?

[umbral helm]

I give the benefit of the doubt to some people when it comes to true level. I've had people that are below 30 even perform better than some of the 200+ I've met

[untold niche]

lies
a5mael

[spice veldt]

if only mat gain on lower difficulties wasn't poopoo

[untold niche]

thats why for me its below 10
no way you ahve gear good enough for mael on like a +3

[umbral helm]

there are different types, some are 80k

[untold niche]

which one, do you remember? juyst cruous

curious

[haughty star]

Idk man anything below Damnation at the very least just feels like a snooze fest now that I'm geared

[spice veldt]

i have a lot of mats nowadays, but I would frankly grind lower difficulties if that was the best way to get mats

[umbral helm]

I don't remember the codes at all, but they typically have most of the modifiers active. nurgle bless, wave of specialists, weakened monstrosities, etc

[spice veldt]

and that was the case when malice was pretty much the best for mats before they buffed mat gains

[untold niche]

normal dam feel like walk in the park
but granted i jumped from normal 5 straight to a5histg

[spice veldt]

i only went into damnation fully once they buffed mat gain

[untold niche]

that would be a good way for the game to incorporate vets (as in not the class) into newb games

[untold niche]

even if damnation paid more i wouldn't play it

ngl

[spice veldt]

would prob just be complete curbstomps

[untold niche]

therres like what

2 gunners

and then 1 rager

and then at worst 1 crusher and 1 bulwark
at very worst

[young ridge]

Auric histg is just normal damnation histg, isn't it?

Pays the same

[spice veldt]

same rewards yeah

[untold niche]

pay wise im not sure
i just wnated to play something harder

[haughty star]

Nah normal damnation can get more nuts than some of the auric damn histg I've done lol

[spice veldt]

auric missions have a hidden tension modifier

which essentially translates to a shorter interval between spawns

[young ridge]

Interesting

[untold niche]

i didn't even know normal 5 histg existed until way later

[spice veldt]

oh right commissartyr recently remarked on this

[lunar hollow]

TRUE

[untold niche]

i was in that convo too, i said they should just make a mode where theres no cap

[haughty star]

Maelstrom just throws 9 million disablers at you

[tulip kettle]

this is the mechanic that stops stuff spawning when youre the last guy standing and clutch for a while i guess

[lunar hollow]

interesting

[untold niche]

9 million muties that after your many hours, realize that you can stand after a corner and they can't do anythng

[untold niche]

i would want to try such a mode ngl @spice veldt

[haughty star]

Also the game spawns more stuff if you're in a preset fire team

[untold niche]

it feels taht way, but is that confirmed? @spice veldt

[spice veldt]

yeah an infinite spawns mode would be so nice

constant combat and players will learn to fight while moving

[haughty star]

I don't have definitive proof of this but I play with friends and it almost never fails

[spice veldt]

no idea

[untold niche]

i see.

[umbral helm]

I like to call the mutant waves "the football team" and me charging my dueling sword as they pass is just telling them "good hustle out there"

[tulip kettle]

why dont they just make all auric missions endless horde mode

[plucky flax]

Muscle roided up american football players charging at you.

[tulip kettle]

stop people camping in areas and killing everything

AND STOPPING THE DAMN MUSIC

[untold niche]

i would want to play
waves of specialist + nurgle + mini monsters

scab melee is interesting.

find hunting grounds and mutie boring

I don't like the vision blocking ones

[haughty star]

Usually regular damnation assassinations with friends are tougher than auric histg with random

In my experience

[tulip kettle]

i am so sick of descending to archivum sychorax in silence because someone wanted to stop and kill the trash mob thats 30m behind us

[haughty star]

Shit I was on a 4 hi intensity the other day with a buddy who won't do damnation and had to kill a literal horde of crushers lmfao

[umbral helm]

also funnily enough the better you play in those 80k auric maels they essentially become this. enemies don't really ever stop, you're more or less forced to keep moving, or it becomes an attrition game that the director eventually wins

[untold niche]

actually cannon because muties only give you love taps or send you on your way if they like you

[untold niche]

sometimes i feel liek we should move but the team jsut want to kill everything

:v

[tulip kettle]

yup this is what im complaining about

[untold niche]

i don't want adaptive difficulty because i want to experience it

[tulip kettle]

i know you REALLY wnated to kiill those starggling poxwalkers

but if you do, the music will stop

please dont.

[spice veldt]

i usually just go ahead solo since i don't think that 3 players are needed for the tail end of a horde

[untold niche]

of course admittedly sometimes i shoot a tiny void that does no damage at a side laned rager horde just to add some flavour

[umbral helm]

I listen to my own music half the time anyway but, I will say speaking of that I'm disappointed they removed the horde music from ambushes

[untold niche]

and by sometimes i mean everytime i have the opportunity

[terse scroll]

I seem to run into randoms that have the same monkey brain as me

[untold niche]

i tried listening to music but i can't focus on thje sound ques

[terse scroll]

Which is "we're gonna stand right outside the extraction point and mow down the last horde bc it's cool"

[untold niche]

theres always that last guy that want to melee 10 more right infront of ship even thoug h3 of us are waiting

you would expect the last guy to make a run for it

i recently lost a game which imo felt very cool and epic

its the map where you actually need to run to extraction

the one where you run on the yellow pipes

[umbral helm]

that's why you mix the volume and find a good balance. whether I have it on or not I rarely ever have the music at 100% compared to general audio. it's like 40% music 60% the rest

[tulip kettle]

thats dreyko i think?

[untold niche]

i died
i saw a mauler get spawned right in lol
I thought i coukld slide past but got OHed i think

[haughty star]

Director sadistic as fuck lol

[untold niche]

3 of them were down and i somehow recognized thjat it was the last part of the map

[haughty star]

Only game I've ever seen that (not confirmed) cranks the difficulty for playing with people you know lol

[untold niche]

on that topic

im kinda sad i live in SEA

i can't playu with ANY of the regulars here

i tried once and i ahd 200 ping or something
i had a 1 second delay
couldn't aim shit with void

[umbral helm]

any time I've introduced a friend to the game it knows they're new and throws a DH at us in the first few missions as a test

[untold niche]

just play ogryn

and use shield

then ask them to whack it

i mean

you wahck it

first

then shield down

[tulip kettle]

this is psyker chat

[haughty star]

Like if we in a fire team of two it's manageable but if we gonna have 3 I'd rather have 4 cuz it starts getting more sadistic with more friendlies

[untold niche]

ok then use illisi

[tulip kettle]

play psyker with stam curio and KD

[untold niche]

with KD

[tulip kettle]

😄

[untold niche]

actually tankable

i tried it once

[umbral helm]

not the point but I'm aware how to trivialize them

[untold niche]

im just surprised

that it was tankable

i should have said tht first

wait nvm

im talking out of my ass

[umbral helm]

but I don't like holding people's hand much. I'll push them in the general direction but it's more fun to let people cook

[untold niche]

then let them accidentally proc DH :p

[haughty star]

I find that lubing them up a Lil bit is best with this game if you want friend retention

When new even difficulties we view as boring or trivial are damn near insurmountable seemingly

[umbral helm]

they'll be made aware it's a bad idea, but it's left up to them what to do. it helps to know that my friend group is very "fuck it we ball"

[tulip kettle]

i recently introduced 2 friends

its funny that you play difficulty 2 and they say its too easy

you go in malice and they still say its too easy

[untold niche]

i tried to get firends to buy but the ysaid too xpensive wevne with the sale :v

[tulip kettle]

but more than 1 rager spawns and they go down

[haughty star]

[tulip kettle]

its like, bro, just because youre not dying to trash in the first zone doesnt mean you have any idea what youre doing

[lyric mantle]

^

[untold niche]

yeah i think they are more specifically referring to the zombies

[umbral helm]

it's good to get their fundamentals down before moving on

[haughty star]

Yeah I just now got this one guy I know on a damnation and you coulda swore the guy ran a marathon at the end of it lol

[untold niche]

if you think the rager as a miniboss, wouldn't be surprising that they say that its easy but die to what they interpret as more than 1 miniboss

[tulip kettle]

game starts you with a dclaw

[untold niche]

which is prob why they claimed it was easy

[tulip kettle]

that i explicitly explained the parry mechanic of 😄

[lyric mantle]

Ragers = Nurgle crackheads

[haughty star]

I just use smite and surge zealot when I'm playing with the friends I think are bad lol. Then I get to play on higher difficulty, they get mats, tazin with the surge stops the scary stuff, smite stops hordes

[untold niche]

after you parry can't they still hit you?
does it stagger mid combo?

[tulip kettle]

on lower difficulties they just die

[haughty star]

Honestly if you don't play weird melee games dorktide is a learning cliff

[untold niche]

maybe they couldn't aim the rager head with the parry

[untold niche]

i never played anything similar but found it pretty easy gameplay wise

[tulip kettle]

yeah its fine i dont begrudge them dying, i STILL die to ragers sometimes

[lyric mantle]

players see ranged weapons and forget that darktide is at heart a melee game with guns

[tulip kettle]

this is also the major new player thing

shooting every single thing all the time

taking every single ammo pick up

[umbral helm]

me and my friend group came from l4d and DRG so it wasn't a terribly big shift

[lyric mantle]

Was leveling a new psyker and was trying to get new players to stop unloading their entire ammo pool into the assassination targets shield

[untold niche]

wait

i do that :v

i mean

uh

:v

[lyric mantle]

their shield is weak to melee

[spice veldt]

outed

[lyric mantle]

and it takes way less damage from ranged

[untold niche]

i didn't know that

NO ONE TOLD ME

[lyric mantle]

oof

[spice veldt]

shield takes 3x melee and 0.5x ranged damage

hp takes 2x melee damage and 1x ranged

[untold niche]

AND I SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR BOSS TIPS WHEN I STARTED THIS GAME

bang table

[spice veldt]

at least those were the last values that i know of

might've changed

[umbral helm]

the only exception to that I believe is Rinda in the twin fight, though I think some people here have argued it's still worth it to melee her shield anyway

[lyric mantle]

Should have prayed to the Emperor instead of trying to get info from the inquisition

[haughty star]

Doesn't change the fact that as a generalization if you're not from melee games or don't expect dorktide to be a melee game it's pretty high difficulty content lol

We can't all be God

[lyric mantle]

We all pale in comparison to the God Emperor

[untold niche]

could be that my onboarding was with ogryn and that helped

[haughty star]

I'm just saying generally speaking if you ask a current noob in the game if it's difficult they will more often than not be inclined to think so lol. Ofc if you ask veterans they're gonna say they never thought it was hard. That's just gaming cultures arrogant nature in general

[untold niche]

i mean after 2 weeks you friends should be the same level as a regular here

[dawn spoke]

anyone here running an 80% stability columnus? wondering if I've been spoiled by vet's stability buffs or if my 47% stability one is trolling my gunker a lot

maybe I should just find an 80% stability grey from brunt and try it in the psykhanium

[harsh urchin]

stability is not a dump stat

lmao

[haughty star]

Depends on what you use it for lol

[umbral helm]

we're psykers, the last thing we are is stable, it's definitely our dump stat

[untold niche]

i mean i have things i struggle with but the gameplay in general is easy imo
just from dying/disabled a bunch of times you naturally figure out your kill priority

and then once someone tells you how to react to specific common stuff like poxyb, dogs its nothing that you really can't get consistent within 1 week

imo i feel alot of this game difficulty is gone once "someone tells you XYZ"

Personally i prob would take long to figure out that i should shove poxyb if no on told me.

but shoving poxybs isn't hard

[umbral helm]

a lot of it is play-by-ear as well. there are specific scenarios where shooting them is preferable to shoving

[untold niche]

yeah i know that im just giving an example
and if i were to build on that, once you know youc an shove
you intuiitively would figure out if they are far you should shoot them first so you don't risk

[wet belfry]

Alot of the things in the game also just kill a player regardless of how skilled they are.

[haughty star]

[umbral helm]

the point is you have to be able to adapt, more than anything. the better you are at doing that, the better off you'll be

[wet belfry]

Good luck consistently avoiding a CS while fighting maulers, crushers and a mixed group of specials

[untold niche]

whats CS

[wet belfry]

Chaos spawn

[near drift]

counter strike

[untold niche]

yeah thats hard ( im assuming you mean you are the last person alive too)
but i don't think taht will happen on damn

And thats like a worse case scenario kind of thing, not like a "how to play the game" kind of thing imo

[umbral helm]

I'm assuming in this hypothetical as well this is with the player being alone, in which case... yeah, shit happens. but that sounds perfectly doable if the team is competent

[wet belfry]

It has mostly to do with CS grab being busted.

[untold niche]

admiteddly i can't solo CS if there is a mixed horde
I would panic.
this is just for convo. (imo again, this goes bac kt owaht i said, thjis is not really how to play agame kind of thing)

[haughty star]

Yeah I get frustrated with people that just answer "just don't get hit" or shit like that lol like mother fucker I've yet to see anyone go through a ad histg or maelstrom without using a medstation or pack lol

[untold niche]

either i panic or i die regardless

tbh i only had that happen once

[umbral helm]

people in dark souls scoffing at leveling health with "just don't get hit, lmao" only to immediately get hit and wonder why their 10 vigor was gone instantly

[onyx sentinel]

I almost never see void staves anymore in auric/mael runs, probably more gunker of all things

What’s up with that

[dawn spoke]

void is really boring to play

[untold niche]

same here

[haughty star]

There was like literally one maelstrom I did on psyker where I had God mode unlocked lol I took 4hp damage the whole thing and I had to clutch against a PawgOgryn

[untold niche]

the ds4+assail thing imo seems even more boring

thqat one is the popular one in pubs, not the high apm gunker

[haughty star]

I use surge and smite, it's just too supportive no not run it

[untold niche]

i take smite but pretend i don't have it

unless its super fucked

[dawn spoke]

the only thing I got bored of quicker than void was surge lol

[hollow current]

DS4+assail+

[onyx sentinel]

I was guessing the enemy hp buffs really hurt void’s shit cleave at higher intensities, but then again no one really uses trauma either

[haughty star]

Surge fun. Everyone got different taste

[untold niche]

the pub one, they don't even take out their gun

[haughty star]

Assail feels fuckin dumb to me lol

[near drift]

I take voidstaff so I can pretend I'm playing Wii bowling

[untold niche]

luma do you play high apm gunker?

[dawn spoke]

no I don't, I mostly play purg lately and I'm slowly learning gunker

[hollow current]

Shid, assail to goon the peril and then you whip that thang out to dome some elites.

[untold niche]

purg with assail? or bb

[dawn spoke]

I used to play void a lot though

[dawn spoke]

bb, I don't understand the appeal of purg assail at all

[haughty star]

Purg is a literal snooze fest to me compared to like any other staff

[near drift]

based

[untold niche]

kill 5 gunners fast i assume

[dawn spoke]

that's what kinetic resonance is for

[dawn spoke]

if I ever got tired of turning the entire screen into warpfire I would get bored of purg, but it hasn't happened yet

[untold niche]

but that requires you to use your ulti

[dawn spoke]

it's there to get used

[onyx sentinel]

assail with true aim kinda shits on kinetic bb

[untold niche]

yeah but i don't want to use it jsut to BB
i want to use it when i want to use it

[untold niche]

same shid happens on void
sadly not on hordes though

[onyx sentinel]

I wish the base charge speed is buffed it feels like shit to use without kinetic resonance/the middle keystone

[dawn spoke]

oh yeah hordes are the fun part with purg

[untold niche]

hordes only fun with void if they are funneled

very fun to watch the corridor dissapear

and then the 3 vets act so confused

5 second and horde gone

idk i don't want to ru nsmite and puirg because you don't need to aim

[dawn spoke]

smite with purg??

[untold niche]

sorry

surge staff and purge staff

blaze trauma kinda need to aim but need to god roll so im lazy

[dawn spoke]

you only really gotta aim for void and gunker anyway

unless you have a 47% stability columnus in which case you hit what the omnissiah wants you to hit and nothing else 🤪

[untold niche]

i think deep inside im an elitist
i don't want to use any of the ultra meta stuff

i feel column is one of them

some stuff just looks so boring to use