psyker-class

[strange fox]

that would make it a heck of a lot better. maybe eat a bit less peril cuz you need like 3 to kill a crusher and by then u max stacked on peril. so like you have 3 more crushers or shield ogryn to burst

[ornate hamlet]

And smite needs the 10% damage node to be a debuff lasting X seconds to promote weaving smite

[wind spruce]

genius

[strange fox]

really only on lower difficulty. on damnation they barely kill pox walkers

[midnight epoch]

just remove the cd on kinetic flayer 😄

[strange fox]

they need to hit a pox walker like 3 times to kill it

[ornate hamlet]

Smite's LMB actually works really fast when you swap

[strange fox]

this

[prime elk]

really? how do i constantly top damage on assail with auric malestrom then 🤔

[ornate hamlet]

It's almost instant CC like it was a shock revolver

[strange fox]

idk maybe the mods a bit biased. check peoples comparisons to that mod it's usually off by a bit.

[ornate hamlet]

Oh, even better

[prime elk]

ooooor it's because assail is actually totally fine

[ornate hamlet]

Make the 10% damage taken trigger on release

[prime elk]

(just run it with a gun)

[strange fox]

like i bet most people here if they posted their charts would probably the best on their team

[ornate hamlet]

So people stop spamming RMB

Give them incentive to tap smite on both modes

[strange fox]

smite should absolutely be buffed it's damage should be increased like 1000x fold

[radiant frigate]

i fail to see how this makes assail better

[strange fox]

it's just a cc tool

[strange fox]

if anything they don't synergize at all

you want to sit in scryer as long as possible and assail will increase the peril gen

[radiant frigate]

i also think scrier's gaze is umgak

[strange fox]

like bro either you put away Assail and use the gun and scryer or you don't use scryer and use assail

like the two don't work

[prime elk]

Because guns are cool

And I don’t like leaving ammo for the team

[radiant frigate]

i picked this class specifically to avoid having to use a gun

[prime elk]

Embrace wizard with gun

[strange fox]

team don't need ammo if the elites and specials are already dead

[radiant frigate]

no

[strange fox]

Gunwizard is psykers best build Fite me.

[radiant frigate]

sword wizard > gun wizard

[ionic needle]

Gun wizard is also a lot more fun

[strange fox]

Sword +Gun > Either single one

[radiant frigate]

sword + gun vs wizard wizard

Death

[strange fox]

Sword + Gun would out right beat fireball wizard.

[radiant frigate]

fireball is a trash spell

[primal nest]

New-ish to darktide. Playing Psyker and after this last patch i find my charged smite not casting for long. Maybe half a second then cuts off. Sometimes I can hold it for longer, but most of the time i cant. Not finding anything online about it unfortunately.

[ionic needle]

Are you getting hit while smiting?

Another solution is to not use smite

[strange fox]

i didn't ask you how big the room was i said i cast fireball

[strange fox]

💯

[primal nest]

i thought it was that at first, but happens outside of combat too

[strange fox]

honestly it's sad how a part of your kit is completely useless and is an actual damage loss than just shooting

like no point is using any of the blits abilities their all worse than just Gun.. or staff

[radiant frigate]

brain burst good

[strange fox]

the best case i can make for assail is it sometimes kills things around corners i didn't even know was there

[radiant frigate]

assail good

[spice veldt]

are you holding down right click and left click for smite

[strange fox]

like the random trapper died that i didn't even see cools good

[radiant frigate]

assail oneshots snepyr without much need for time or aim

handy

brain burst explodes most specials in one cast

also handy

[primal nest]

no, just right click. staffs are charging just fine

[radiant frigate]

when you cannot chase or otherwise inconvenience them

[spice veldt]

you need to hold down left click for an extended cast, just like purg

[strange fox]

you need 3 to kill 1 crusher on damnation and that's like 90% peril. and on damnation you have 2more crushers or a bunch of other ogryn to pop

so you better hope your team can buy you time to quell.

[radiant frigate]

press f to charge faster and cheaper and set them on fire

also, isn't it 2?

[primal nest]

ah misunderstood. Im using it correctly. Lol but it seems to bug out and only quick cast the charged attack and only push back people

[strange fox]

actually i never seen scryer and brain burst together. would they work? i know it's the same issue as assail but would the damage apply to brain burst? and would it make brain burst better?

[spice veldt]

the damage bonus applies to brain burst yeah

the finesse damage from precognition won't, though

[radiant frigate]

i'm sure you could do it

little reason to, though

[spice veldt]

since brainburst doesn't crit and it has a weakspot multiplier of 1x, so it can benefit from neither +crit or +weakspot dmg

[haughty star]

Surge does too. Left click if far away

[strange fox]

just wondering if scryer would be enouh to change the 3 charge to 2 charge to kill a crusher would be kinda good

[haughty star]

[midnight epoch]

yaeh, for that 1 crusher, what about the other 5

[strange fox]

Run.

[radiant frigate]

anyway why are we talking about crushers

[haughty star]

This is why I like surge staff

[primal nest]

went into the training area, and it seems I can long charge cast normally until i get a warp charge?

[strange fox]

good comparison and use of brain burst. opposed to like 20 gunners

[radiant frigate]

ah, yes

the gunnertide

[spice veldt]

uh oh

[strange fox]

gunners nests are so satisfier to just hold RMB and unload a whole mag into them and watching the death counter sky rocket

until you see another color pop up on the counter then sadness

[radiant frigate]

i do not subscribe to the concept of magazines

[primal nest]

yeah, i thought it may be a weird interaction when it happened a few times in a raid, but wasnt sure. Just confirmed it while waiting for an answer

[midnight epoch]

Do you think I can make trauma staff work with assail instead of BB and no wildfire

[spice veldt]

that's what i run yeah

[strange fox]

I realize in the world of magic. you should never need to reload. ever. like shouldn't a wizard who can warp reality just create an infinity ammo mag ?

[spice veldt]

though i mainly use assail + melee since i dislike all force staffs

[strange fox]

so why the fuck do psykers in 40k ever reload?

[spice veldt]

and just have trauma for oh-shit moments involving melee elites

[strange fox]

can't you just will ammo into existence like the orks ?

[upper sun]

aaaaand first one has bricked

[radiant frigate]

if you can just will things into existence, why not just will the ammo into existence in your enemy's head

[radiant frigate]

keep the flamer dr i guess

[upper sun]

i still have 2 more to try with

[radiant frigate]

how many melkbucks did you spend on this

[true wave]

Do I run warp nexus or quell peril with my voidstrike staff with surge?

[upper sun]

zero

i got 3 from camping the store

i had two more 75 but im not bothering with them

[radiant frigate]

nexus

[upper sun]

yeah nexus def

id run it IF i had a surge blessing 😿

[true wave]

got surge and power cycler from melk in the past two days

[haughty star]

I really gotta try other two staffs

[true wave]

after not playing for a few days

[upper sun]

I love the surge staff

[haughty star]

It's so high paced and my homies never get shit shot at them

[upper sun]

wow sick

[haughty star]

I had a AD with like 60 disabler kills on pug

[primal nest]

im an idiot and i guess never realized i held both down before, and playing around with other classes/builds got into the habit of letting go of one button after the other. you were right, i was just wasnt holding both down lmao

[spice veldt]

if it helps you feel better, you're not the only one
since I only remarked on it since other people had this same issue

[primal nest]

im more embarrassed at the time ive wasted trying to find an answer, but it does help a little. appreciate it

[hot zephyr]

This is a common lore misconception. Orks can't just will things into existence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J6-3VzNF8c

[strange fox]

i'm aware i am an ork

[midnight epoch]

Should I just change out both blessings here for firefrenzy + dumdum?

[hearty oak]

raking fire is great wdym

[midnight epoch]

is it lol, hmm

[hearty oak]

On a gunker, its disgusting

[feral verge]

inf auto needs flak dmg

[prime elk]

you're not going to be behind enemies as often as psyker though

[midnight epoch]

why specifically? I can't think of any reasons off the top of my head

[prime elk]

raking ire is prob still fine, but it's just more situational

you don't have stealth like vet or zealot

[feral verge]

raking fire isnt specifically amazing on psyker

inf autop meta is fire frenzy and dum dum

[prime elk]

the most practical use of raking fire for psyker is shooting up a pogryn's ass while it rails your teammate

still, you can prob keep raking fire, refine once, replace punishing salvo

[rare arrow]

Also, BoN

[prime elk]

and then when you get a better CIAG, trade this one in for a blessing

[midnight epoch]

so weak spot damage to flak, punishing salvo to fire frenzy I guess here?

[prime elk]

dumdum prob better

but otherwise yeah

[feral verge]

dum dum

[midnight epoch]

ok cool thanks all

[haughty star]

Gunkers

[hot zephyr]

If you're going for a boss killer Columnus you want to swap weak spot damage to unyielding and salvo for dum dum. While flak is highly recommended on a Columnus, if you are keeping raking fire you may want to full lean into the boss killer variant

[midnight epoch]

hmm, for something like plague orgyn, would I be doing more damage there hitting it in the head or from behind

[indigo maple]

I'm pretty happy with how Hadron treated me for this staff. I feel like I should leave the blessings alone and change the perks, but I'm not sure what to. Any advice?

[ornate hamlet]

The headshot modifier is higher than raking fire's bonus

[spice veldt]

hitting the head, because of the IAG's high weakspot multis and the fact that practically all bosses have <1x ranged damage to anywhere that's not their head

[ripe obsidian]

Any tips on the cliffhanger penance? I'm feeling frustrated trying to get it

[ornate hamlet]

Hang in therr

E

[indigo maple]

I got that one at the end of the train mission, Chasm Terminus I think. One where you have to enter two trains and pick up "ammo" carriables. Enemies don't stop spawning when you complete the objective and there's a large cliff right at the end

[strong gulch]

Late response, but this is my don't think about it too hard just click buttons build with assail + blaze trauma + DS4.

[haughty star]

Does deflector block the shots from the "insert generic name and lore from a book I'll never read" assassination targets?

[haughty star]

This is basically mine but more left focused for smite and wildfire or whatever tf it's called

I go for the extra 8 percent damage tho

[tulip kettle]

it looks great dude, one of the best ive seen. If i were you, i would consider carapace instead of elites

then probably just save the other modification slot for future purposes

then if it were me i would change 4% crit to flak, see if i like it, and if not change it back to 5% crit chance

[indigo maple]

I thought carapace at first too, but second-guessed myself when I realized Crushers and Maulers are already Elites. Obviously the damage bonus would be bigger, but this way it also applies to Reapers, Bulwarks, Ragers, and all the gunners. idk, maybe I'm overthinking it and Flak/Carapace is just better

[tulip kettle]

as much as its not too important

if you have +25 cara

[radiant sleet]

This build also works well with purgatus staff/deimos or duelling. Except I use both assail nodes and skip quietude (which hurts but I like shard regen)

[tulip kettle]

at 80 peril with warp rider a crit will 1 shot a crusher

reapers will always be 2 without unyielding

so i think you go carapace and 5% crit chance or carapace and flak

[indigo maple]

see these are the things I come here to learn, I'm not too familiar with breakpoints like this. thanks for the advice, carapace it is

[radiant sleet]

Do you need a certain build to get the one shot? I watched your video from yesterday, and my staff is stronger than yours but I cannot 1 shot. I have warp rider and went to 80+ peril

[tulip kettle]

idk i had 4 warp charges

[radiant sleet]

Ohhh gotcha that makes sense now. Cheers

[tulip kettle]

but i didnt have any perfect timing

so its like

youre likely to have some stacks of perfect timing or some warp charges

[radiant sleet]

I was just trying to do it raw with no charges or perf timing, it was close but not quite there

[tulip kettle]

yeah its just shy with literally nothing else

but in a real game you will likely have something to buff your dmg by a couple of percent

the only really situational thing about it isa the crit

but youve got like a 30% of hitting one naturally and then true aim as well

i dont like DD so i dont have a good scale of how many stacks you would need

[haughty star]

My surge/smite/deimos defensive sword build

[tulip kettle]

probably 10 or so idk

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-daring-today-spongebob-spongebob-meme-daring-today-arent-we-gif-23808696

[haughty star]

Lol what you mean?

[tulip kettle]

it looks very competetive. I dont think anyone would have any notes for you

except maybe you should go for psykinetics aura instead of wildfire

[spring terrace]

psykinetics and seers presence

[haughty star]

I honestly wish there was more stuff there

[ripe obsidian]

What is the best method to push enemies off ledges? Psychic shriek seems... weak

[tulip kettle]

i found the way to do it is the smelter level

[haughty star]

Lmb spam

[tulip kettle]

with a force sword and a friend

but theres probably easier ways

just got my buddy to stand by the edge at the last bit with the fire

when the mob is good and clumped in front of them, tell them to push then force push and shriek

[midnight epoch]

ah thank you, that's almost identical to what I had

does peril resistance (-5% peril gained) slow down scryers gaze?

[tulip kettle]

yes

[spring terrace]

my current purge build using a combat knife with flesh tearer and uncanny strike

[wind spruce]

Psykinetics aura is a giga Chad talent... the only reason to ever skip it is to pick up assaip

[sweet whale]

Blocks everything.

[tulip kettle]

not sniper shots

cost reduction doesnt work vs melee attacks

[sweet whale]

It doesn't?

[spring terrace]

scriers+ purge staff is chefs kiss

[sweet whale]

I seem completely immune to melee.

[tulip kettle]

no the block cost reduction only applies to shooting apparently

[sweet whale]

Or at least feel like it. All monstrocities and demon host.

[tulip kettle]

specifically in the deflector blessing

you running KD and any stamina curios?

[sweet whale]

I run 56% block reduction.

[wind spruce]

Pretty sure it doesn't block the ranged guys shots

[sweet whale]

From items

[tulip kettle]

well the block cost reduction does work from most things

just only for ranged attacks on deflector

[sweet whale]

Ah, okay.

[tulip kettle]

if you have it as a perk on a curio or a sword it will work

[wind spruce]

My intuitive guess was wrong. It does block them

[sweet whale]

Pretty much immune to everything with a dodge in there to recover once in a while. They just build my toughness.

[wind spruce]

https://outplayed.tv/media/MPYr2R

[placid crypt]

So, I'd been messing around with assail weaving to get rending from uncanny strike and had a thought on the interaction. Any projectile can be weaved if you switch weapons while the projectile is in mid-air. If you use the voidstrike, you can shoot and gain the benefit from uncanny strike on the knife or from other buffs like slaughterer

[hot zephyr]

One thing I would note here that I learned from my purgatus build that might be useful. Warp Battery for six stacks can be counter intuitive if you are using shriek to dump peril. It's possible you could see more mileage by moving that point to psykinetic aura so that your elite kills can bring shriek off cool down faster so you can dump peril again and keep surging.

You'll have to decide if that's worth it to you, and you may find you rebuild your stacks very fast so it's going to be highly dependant on how much you dump peril with shriek.

[wind spruce]

This is almost never going to be worth it on void, and slaughterer will not proc off assail or the voidstrike projectile

slaughterer on force sword
https://outplayed.tv/media/718Ye5

[indigo maple]

I like DD and went to test this only to discover that I can't stack DD in the Meat Grinder. Oh well, the damage on the staff I posted earlier leaves a Damnation Crusher with like 35 health on a crit right-click, so it probably doesn't take many to get a one-shot

[spice veldt]

DD works if invisibility is off

assuming you have the creature spawner mod

[haughty star]

I don't honestly dump often usually one or two smites is good. I use the staff as my weapon smite is just a tool to get me and the bois some breathing room

[hot zephyr]

Ok yeah so six stacks is probably better for you if you aren't shriek dumping. My purgatus build dumps almost immediately on shriek cool down so I go for PA

[placid crypt]

Slaughterer does work, it just doesn't generate stacks. If you have an existing active buff on the melee, you'll see the increase in damage on swap vs naked voidstrike. There are odd interactions where some blessings like uncanny strike or superiority where it will generate stacks with the projectile and others like slaughter where it just gets the benefit from the active buff, but doesn't contribute additional stacks

[wind spruce]

Can be decent for assail, melee weaving

[placid crypt]

Definitely not worth it on voidstrike, just an interesting interaction

[midnight jolt]

if I'm ever a gunker 😂

[rare mesa]

do u full charge spam voidstrike

or half charge

[hot zephyr]

Depends what your shooting at. You'll need to get a feel for how hard yours hits so you don't waste peril overcharging

[rare mesa]

max dps

[proud frost]

question

which has the stronger defence?
Ogrin's slab shield, or psyker with Deflector blessing and Kenetic Deflector

i assume its the former, but i'm just making sure

[spice veldt]

probably slab shield, esp since it can block block bypass attacks

[proud frost]

yea

[spice veldt]

and is properly infinite

[proud frost]

i was pretty sure the latter combo was second only to the former, but for accuracy sake i was just confirming

[elfin roost]

Gotta admit, I was sorely mistaken on the surge staff

[hot zephyr]

Slab for sure, but psyker with kd, some block eff, extra stamina, and deflector is a close second

[pale basalt]

Shield always works well , for deflector to really shine you have to build 100% around it and i think that is a waste of dps potential.

[elfin roost]

Spamming this thing ends up destroying crowds of 88 elites

[cosmic sigil]

Yesterday I discovered that the shield could not block dogs...

[proud frost]

lol

[cosmic sigil]

Like wtf

(first time using shield)

[elfin roost]

Shittus?

[bright yoke]

what can I do to improve this?

[bright yoke]

id say so

[hot zephyr]

Yeah not worth.

[elfin roost]

How's this then?

[frail harness]

Idk about the blessing but weak spot damage is dumpster tier

[elfin roost]

Bad first target but meh-good everything else

Then again it is a cc sword so I'm not sure how much that stat matters

[cosmic sigil]

First target is not used on the special attack

[ornate hamlet]

I heard first target doesn't affect the special

[cosmic sigil]

Iirc

[elfin roost]

Ah, so it's likely not a massive downside

[ornate hamlet]

Which is lame and stupid

[hot zephyr]

Replace terrifying barrage. It's quite bad, warp nexus instead. You'll be stuck with infested instead of flak but that's life

[hot zephyr]

That's very nice. I'd buy it. It's better than my current illisi

[elfin roost]

What good is the Voidstrike? Used to be arguably one of the strongest staves

[elfin roost]

I actually got it from a brunt roll

[hot zephyr]

Pray hadron doesn't brick it then

[elfin roost]

Splendid

Wait Maniacs is the right thing to have right

[hot zephyr]

Depends what you want. There's like 3 ways you can build an illisi

Actually four technically

[elfin roost]

I want the one that can say "feck off" to swarms of things like ragers so I think that's good

[ornate hamlet]

Maniac and flak then

[elfin roost]

Did Hadron mean this sarcastically or is this actually good? I know Uncanny is good on some others

[ornate hamlet]

And unstable power

[elfin roost]

Anyways I have like 10 plasteel

well more like 100 but I hve 2000+ diamantine

[feral verge]

uncanny is pretty much a must have on all weapons where it's available

[elfin roost]

So I was lucky twice in a row

This is a good thing since that means this weapon (I think?) can't get bricked as long as I modify one blessing and one perk

This actually goes insane, I can go through a crusher's armor with lights

[hot zephyr]

Uncanny + slaughter is top tier so you're on track to setup that

[elfin roost]

Praise the omnissiah

[hot zephyr]

Yes, at this point you'll have a top tier weapon from this

[elfin roost]

First top tier ever

Not godly quite yet since I'd at least like to see more FT or WR, but they're already nearly the highest part of the range anyways

While we're on the topic, should I go for a better roll?

[hot zephyr]

Flurry is great, carapace is acceptable. Keep consecrating

[wheat seal]

Hey guys, can someone teach me the right way to play with Surge staff ? ^^ When I play with it I feel the damage is not realy impressive

[elfin roost]

You'll do more damage spamming ~75% charge than going for 100% every time

[proud frost]

would it be better to have flak or maniac?
main use is personal defence, dealing with mobs right in your face, getting away from a firing squad, etc.

[steep estuary]

Oh my gods, Miraak Obama got a hearty laugh out of me

[long wharf]

?

[shy pewter]

probably flak for your use case

[foggy tangle]

What illisi setup do you guys like? I have uncanny strike / slaughterer III with maniac and flak on mine. Wondering if there is something better?

[mighty fractal]

Do you think more people would pick Essence Harvest if it worked like Vet’s Confirmed Kill, which stacks indefinitely

I feel like it’d be stronger for gunkers since they have fewer toughness regen options, but most staff builds would still take Inner Tranquility because it makes juggling high peril so much easier

[split oxide]

Both Flak AND maniac
and if you ever use DOME, ditch the deflector.

[ornate hamlet]

I take essence harvest because I pretty much never am using it for staves

The instances I do use peril weapons with warp siphon are force swords, which I can use the special of as soon as peril hits 99%

[proud frost]

why not both?

[split oxide]

I just Charge/Quell my ForceSword.
Sure, EssenceHarvest could replenish Toughness during the kill-phase instead of a seperate action.

[keen perch]

Anyone got brain burst build?

[proud frost]

heres what i use:
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b225275-8bf5-42a2-b99c-fd2dc9305a61/generalist-psyker

[smoky mulch]

is there a rule of thumb to picking which dueling sword? do they all have the same stager/interupt abilities with the special jab?

[proud frost]

@keen perch that help?

[keen perch]

Hopefully I can not screw it up in a mission

[prime elk]

the rule of thumb is to pick IV and ignore the rest

[smoky mulch]

lol. that works.

precognition and riposte the go toos?

[long wharf]

uncanny strike

and then either shred for better single target/boss performance, or riposte for better horde performance

[smoky mulch]

does the hit that sets it off get the bonus too? or just follow ups?

[long wharf]

that's a good question

[ornate hamlet]

Just the follow-ups, to my knowledge

[near drift]

saw a psyker who popped scriers gaze just to then use smite multiple times, pubs be wild

[long wharf]

that's what my gut was telling me, but I'm poking through the code now to see for sure, if I can find it

[ornate hamlet]

Fatshark did have some weird interactions, like Vermintide's hunter and damage taken on crit

Both of which added their 20% damage taken by the enemy to the shot that triggered it, effectively giving crits 20% more damage

[smoky mulch]

bleh, just got a great dueling sword and it leveled up with rampage and precognition

[ornate hamlet]

Based

Slap shred or riposte on that bad boy

[long wharf]

yeah, looks like it's applied on-hit, so wouldn't apply to the hit made that triggers it

[smoky mulch]

this worth keeping to maybe put uncany strike and shred on?

[long wharf]

oof, that is really unfortunate

great base modifiers

shitty perks and blessings

you could replace Rampage with Uncanny Strike and melee damage to groaners/walkers with +maniac

[smoky mulch]

maybe... riposte instead of rampage. and just ride it out for a bit?

[long wharf]

no, you always want uncanny strike

[smoky mulch]

makes sense

gotcha

[long wharf]

and that sword will work, but you'll likely want to get a version without precog

[smoky mulch]

yea, long term it'll get replaced, was just wondering if it was worth keeping around at all.

[long wharf]

as riposte ups your crit chance and is largely considered superior to precognition

[smoky mulch]

alrighty. I've gotta figure out the best way to get the upgrade resources. I'm pimp my pig sticker poor right now. lol

[strong gulch]

If you haven't changed anything yet, I'd keep specials and rampage.

Groaners to maniac
Precog to uncanny strike.

Either of those blessing are fine. Uncanny is the anchor blessing.

[ornate hamlet]

Uncanny strike can be somewhat replaced by riposte or shred, but uncanny will definitely provide a less RNG way to deal with carapace

[long wharf]

uncanny strike can't be replaced by any other blessing

no other blessing rends, I believe

[ornate hamlet]

The crits from the weapon are strong enough to mitigate most of the loss

I was surprised by how little difference I felt tbh

[keen vale]

It feels so weird that my sword has single-target light attacks yet I just swing that thing all over and it takes better care of a horde than most multi-hit weapons I got. 🤨

[glass prairie]

guys what do I do to this staff? not looking for a perfect one just a good one

[elfin roost]

Wedge sole moccasins > any other boot in terms of comfort

Maybe not so comfy when you drop cement bricks on your feet but for just walking around or even sitting 😩

[urban sandal]

change specialists to flak then you can choose whether you want to upgrade a blessing to t4 or change elites to maniac/crit chance

[long wharf]

leave elite damage

upgrade warp nexus when you get t4

[hot zephyr]

Fix the perks imo. Warp Nexus 4 will hardly make a real difference unless you are edging peril.

[long wharf]

+elite isn't a bad perk

[elfin roost]

And what else will you do

[hot zephyr]

You right it's not bad. Iirc tho crit/flak is the usual recommendation for surge.

[long wharf]

you don't need the crit chance with surge staff

you end up much better off with the +elite

[urban sandal]

it's preference

[hot zephyr]

Aight. I retract fixing the elite perk and say just fix the specials to flak then leave it.

[long wharf]

if you look at the numbers, the +5% crit chance isn't a +10% damage gain on elites

let alone a 5% damage gain across the board

it ends up being more like 2~3% damage gain, since you already have a lot of crit chance with surge and talent tree

and since you aren't procing any effects when you crit, it matters much less than doing +10% damage to elites

which is where you need to maximize your damage anyways

[elfin roost]

Gunpsyker maybe

[long wharf]

penetration definitely isn't a dumpstat, but it'll be usable until you can upgrade it

I prefer the original revolver to the new one (Zarona preferred over Agripinaa)

[elfin roost]

Probably better too

[urban sandal]

it do be

[outer vessel]

New revolver is purely a gimmick

[strange fox]

Good idea Wizard Cowboy

Wizard cowboy go pop pop BANG

[elfin roost]

nuh uh

Morality damage to the poxwalkers

[strange fox]

Poxbursters give me:

https://tenor.com/view/steven-he-emotional-damage-steven-he-emotional-damage-gif-23428142

[outer vessel]

[river dawn]

What's a melee for psyker that can deal with everything? regardless of what my build is

I'm thinking maybe deimos but im not sure i haven't tested all

[urban sandal]

probably mk4 dueling sword

assuming your ranged weapon is at least capable of horde clearing to a degree

[river dawn]

yea thats why i said regardless of build

so a melee that is even good with horde

[dapper shadow]

oh hey surge

actually... I can swap elites damage and use it as is

the stats arent that bad

[limber silo]

Not terrible

[limber silo]

Even then, duelling sword can handle hordes well enough with rampage

[urban sandal]

true

[limber silo]

I love my duelling sword, but I've been getting pretty good results with IIIg cs

Shred + Wrath for my gunker build

[urban sandal]

I've never used a force sword or dueling sword and my psyker is like lvl 100

[limber silo]

bruh

try them both. Obscurus is outmoded and mkII ds is wonky, but all the others are alright

[limber silo]

what do you use anyways?

[urban sandal]

Yeah I'm just stingy with my plasteel n am waiting for good blessings through melk or mission rewards

mk4 dclaw

[limber silo]

based

My psyker is looking pretty staked in the weapons dept now, so I'm just waiting for new weapon types. The only thing I don't have on psyker is a good devils claw

[urban sandal]

extra stamina and kinetic deflection makes parrying hella strong

[potent zenith]

should i swap my cara for crit chance?

[urban sandal]

check how long it takes to kill a crusher or mauler in the meat grinder with and without it if you'd like to test it for yourself

[potent zenith]

yeah

[urban sandal]

if the difference is negligible then swap to crit

[potent zenith]

fully changed, 4 shot with and without cara dmg

fully charge around 1100 dmg with cara

around 945 without cara

[urban sandal]

yeah go crit chance

[potent zenith]

fml xvx

i guess i can salvage it via the block eff

if it even works with kinetic deflection

[ornate hamlet]

it should

[wanton tendon]

99% sure it does

[cosmic sigil]

It works 100%

[potent zenith]

would pairing kinetic deflection and deflector be redundant or does it work well?

[wanton tendon]

Deflector is..where you can block bullets, yes?

[potent zenith]

yeah

[wanton tendon]

Sounds gud to me.

Make gunners cry

[potent zenith]

for this, i know one will be sniper dmg but should i go for more toughness or toughness regen?

[cosmic sigil]

Deflector is also melee

[wanton tendon]

Sparky already very squishy…make ya less squishy with more toughness

[cosmic sigil]

And instead of losing stam while blocking, you gain peril instead

With KD

And block eff will improve that

So basically you can block forever

[potent zenith]

wouldnt my peril kill me though from kd?

[wanton tendon]

Only if you let it

[potent zenith]

i'll test it out

ah ok, so it stops at 96%

[foggy tangle]

what's the best blessing to go with blazing spirit trauma?

[cosmic sigil]

And if you have venting shriek you can still use that

[potent zenith]

tempting but i like me bubble

[opaque tendon]

bubble is comfy

[elfin roost]

?

I cant tell how good or bad this is ngl

Oh wait its trauma

I thought it was voidstrike

[wind spruce]

Block efficiency does work with kinetic deflection, but the more important thing is atleast one stam curio, because stam also makes kinetic deflection more efficient

If you double your stam you halve the peril taken per hit

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/Rt6N3cu3Gk

[potent zenith]

sadly me no have stam 3

[wind spruce]

Deflector blessing has no effect on melee

[ornate hamlet]

The block efficiency for it is still bugged?

[wind spruce]

Yeah it only applies to ranged

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-sad-cat-cat-depressed-depression-gif-13240550249247957481

[urban sandal]

warp nexus

[strange fox]

hey i'm using the Graia mk VIII was wondering if mobility should be the dump stat

[wide lake]

Good for gun psyker?

[strange fox]

perks and falter might want to be rerolled

but decent

idealy if you're looking for perfect rolls i'd probably place Damage Ammo and stability at the top more ammo means more BRR

i had just rolled near perfect on my gun but i can't stomach a 53 in ammo

[wide lake]

yeah, ammo is sometime a deal breaker

especially when it make the magazine 29

[earnest laurel]

i have lowish mobility on my vet and I manage

[strange fox]

I think mobility is the ideal dump stat here

just can't do low ammo

kind of debating between Slaughterer and Superiority, with how many elites are in a match it should be up often. and for longer than slaughterer

[cosmic sigil]

God. I am so sad. Thanks for the reminder

[hard hatch]

Hey, i have a trauma staff with rending shockwave. But does brittleness do anything against unyielding? I thought it only applied to carapace and flak, but now I’m unsure

[wind spruce]

Just test it in the psykhanium

[hard hatch]

Good idea!

[opaque tendon]

it does, brittleness is just more effective against carapace since every point of brittleness lets you pierce more damage.

[wind spruce]

It also affects maniacs

[hard hatch]

Oh! Ok , that’s good to know. Thanks 🙏

[opaque tendon]

it roughly works like rending, just a debuff on the enemy so whole team benefits (and the hit that caused brittleness doesn't benefit).
here's some rando explanation from dev people if ye care enuf

[hard hatch]

Awesome!

And full damage means what damage you would deal if the target had no armour modifier?

[hoary badge]

Yes

[limber silo]

Yup. once you reach 100% damage aka 0% damage resistance

[hoary badge]

Can't remember if it also affects ranged falloff as well

[limber silo]

It does not

only damage reduction from armor type is affected as far as I've tested

[wind spruce]

I was just in the psykhanium and my lights with full uncanny strike (duelling sword) do the same damage as no stacks of uncanny strike

To infested

[limber silo]

That's because infested is excluded

Unarmored and infested are not included for rending

[wind spruce]

Ok cool not going crazy then

[limber silo]

Just a concept error, no biggie

Rending is only good for DOTs and weapons that aren't good at armor pen already

[wind spruce]

Rending on warpfire

[limber silo]

fr

[radiant frigate]

i tried using a rending/blazing spirit trauma once

it did not feel like it did anything

[wind spruce]

Me too

Not enough crit for blazing spirit

Trauma has 0% internal crit so you're at a max of 22.5% or 17.5% if you want to actually have shriek

[hoary badge]

You can still do something funky with assail+true aim shenanigans

[limber silo]

that's because rending shockwave applies brittleness, not rending

stupid name imo

[hearty oak]

Spent the most of today using blazing trauma. Absolutely slaps

[wind spruce]

oh the brittleness definitely increases your soulblaze damage

if thats the question

[verbal dome]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5hlZBDiVv0

wtf

[wind spruce]

Rending warpfire
https://outplayed.tv/media/vLZKa7

[limber silo]

I know that, it's just not a good combo because of the crit requirement

[wind spruce]

For sure

[radiant frigate]

crit requirement us whatever

true aim is a talent

heads are easy enough to click in melee

[wind spruce]

It's also easy enough to just use perilous combustion and creeping flames to build stacks

[stone canyon]

Spent my plaststeel lastnight hunting for that Blaze for Trauma with no luck

[wind spruce]

Especially since blazing spirit doesn't do anything if you have above 6 stacks from any source

[radiant frigate]

we hates it

we hates that it never mentions a damn thing

[wind spruce]

Did you not know that one?

[radiant frigate]

we hates that renfing shockwave has stacks of 2.5% and not 5%

no i did

i just think it's really dumb

[wind spruce]

For sure

[radiant frigate]

since soulblaze likes to scale exponentially

[stone canyon]

So basicly all soulblaze builds should run Uncanny melee and switch to it once stacked soulblazes on heavy armored targets?

[verbal dome]

i meant more the rapidfire warp-fuelled hyper-swings of the melee

[wind spruce]

That's just the always first attack mod

[radiant frigate]

so you never cycle through your attacks?

as if block canceling every swing

sounds ridiculous with deimos

stab the world

[torpid girder]

how important is warp resist for trauma staves?

[hoary badge]

it's not as dumpable as the other staves but you can still edge cast relatively well if you pair it with a decent quell stat

especially if you head down the warp siphon tree

[torpid girder]

Would this be useable or is the quell and blast radius too low? I'm trying to get a decent soulblaze trauma

I think it says in the guide that radius and quell speed are the most important for it so i'm not really sure

[ionic needle]

That looks very decent

75% blast radius is good

[torpid girder]

well hadron just bricked it so it looks like i'll have to find another one 😭

[ionic needle]

What did she do?

[radiant frigate]

[radiant frigate]

very epic

consume it

[limber silo]

That is the best staff I've ever seen

[torpid girder]

I think I have a better one for a flurry trauma build but sadly i want one for a fire build :(

[limber silo]

I was being sarcastic, Hadron bricked that shit

[radiant frigate]

this is why you should simply not care and just get solid base stats and then put on whatever blessings you like

it is not worth the brain power

[limber silo]

If it makes you feel any better, hadron just dumped this on me

[wind spruce]

charge rate and blast radius are the two most important stats

but as kat says

lower your standards

the fyi on charge rate being most important is that the scale for trauma is [2.50|1:00] charge rate

where as for voidstrike, as an example, its [1.90|1.60]

[plucky flax]

Simply get a good blaze trauma like mine.

It's ez.

[near wyvern]

For most cases yes but not for fire trauma. It scales exponentially with correctness of the rolls. If you don't have the correct rolls on it it's gonna feel shit.

[radiant frigate]

agony

[deep pine]

Do all the different force swords share same blessing pool?

[radiant frigate]

Yes

[deep pine]

ok so I can scrap a Obscurus to Bless an Illisi?

But Staves do not work like this.

[elfin roost]

You can scrap just about anything to bless another, as long as the perk is on that thing no?

Im not entirely sure so dont take my word for it

[deep pine]

No like for example I don't think I can scrap a Voidstaff and Bless a Surge staff

I'm not sure...I've been burned by this before but I forgot the exact weapons.

[elfin roost]

Maybe the blessing in particular wasn't on the surge

Maybe not

[deep pine]

Ok I will try some googling 😄

[elfin roost]

Pygex boutta answer every question this chat ever had

[near wyvern]

Not only that. Reaching further charges tremendously increase the area you are affecting. This is why charge rate and blast radius are both extremely important.

The circle radius grows linearly through out the charge and since the area of circle is πr^2 the relation is πa^2 / πb^2 = a^2 / b^2 so the actual scaling is exponential.

Make the original radius 1 and let other staff get 5% more charge in:
1.05^2 / 1^2 = 1.1025 around 10%. Roughly speaking any small gain is doubled in effectiveness and any larger gain gets even higher multiplier on it.

Combine this with quell cancelling which increases your casts per second the more the shorter they are and you get it why you want both at max.

Remember fire trauma blazing spirit effect applies anything on the OUTER radius

So the area of effect differences with even slightly more charge is quite large

[radiant frigate]

pain

[near wyvern]

Yes eat all blessings of Obscurus currently

[radiant frigate]

i will choose to remain ignorant and continue meleeing

[plucky flax]

My ovenproof scoreboard continues to give very low damage for my blaze trauma.

[deep pine]

ty! While you are here could you please explain the difference between these illisi swords? I don't understand - are they different swords? (Sorry I'm just back to the game recently since launch)

[wind spruce]

The other scoreboard is overestimating a bunch

[near wyvern]

@deep pine weapons that have the exact same blessing pool share blessings at Hadron.

If there is even a slight difference in pool (one weapon missing one blessing, similar named blessing but a tiny but different values) the pools are not considered the same.

So most weapon families can share blessings but staves have all pools of their own.

[plucky flax]

Yeah but weirdly on any other weapons, with 1.2k kills, I would get higher than 500k damage with ovenproof.

[near wyvern]

Regular, special spam, meme fire sword

[plucky flax]

That's a lot of kills for quite low damage number.

[wind spruce]

They're probably all fucked

I had posted a video the other day of the reg scoreboard mod showing a phantom extra 500 damage

[near wyvern]

If you are not using creeping flames you should not top out on DPS. But that being said, don't underestimate the importance of perma CC that is able to kill all trash

[deep pine]

so flame sword just means sword with blazing spirit?

[plucky flax]

I only use creeping flames.

[deep pine]

I feel dumb lol

[wind spruce]

phantom damage on gunner kill
https://outplayed.tv/media/l3o5Rl

[plucky flax]

1k kills with surge in 30 mins game, 700k damage

1.2k kills with blaze trauma in 30 mins game. 500k

[wind spruce]

You kill 800 lesser

The Max lesser health is 688

[plucky flax]

Yeah the default damage is close though.

720~730k ish.

I kill everything

I've been enjoying blaze trauma with riposte mk5 duelly.

Zoomy around.

[quasi junco]

Is that a custom scoreboard mod for Ovenproof?

[plucky flax]

No it's just the ovenproof scoreboard below the regular one.

[quasi junco]

My ovenproof doesn't look like that, and the mod options are kinda lackluster

[plucky flax]

You have to remove a lot of lines.

Make sure you go to mod menu to enable stuff.

[quasi junco]

maybe I have an older version?

[plucky flax]

Yeah there was an update to it.

Check nexus if you got latest one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmMGD1ev5rE

[patent steeple]

Power Of Thunder

[ebon pawn]

ah wtf hadron xD

[frigid relic]

Newish to Psyker and don’t get how to do blessed but fate penance

I have the left tree done but no progress on blessed by date

Fate

[vestal fulcrum]

Is it the one that requires you to save yourself from Perils of the Warp (exploding) by quelling peril?/using Venting Shriek?

[patent steeple]

Dexter

[elfin roost]

We don't be quellin

[ebon pawn]

even with solidity it was way slower then normally without

[frigid relic]

I tried it with venting shriek but it’s not making progress lol

But yes

[vestal fulcrum]

Well, get yourself to 100 peril, enter Perils, use Vent, profit?

If that don't work

report a bug on the forums

[frigid relic]

I think it has to be not venting shriek

Imma try it with base psych wrath

[radiant frigate]

worked fine with shriek for me

[vestal fulcrum]

It was originally only attainable through Venting shriek

And maybe Battle Meditation if you got lucky, IDK

I did it with Shriek

[spice veldt]

you're entering the suicide animation right

not just being at 100% peril

[elfin roost]

^

Venting shriek's main draw is stopping you from a self nuke

[cold ivy]

creeping flames is good!

[vestal fulcrum]

Ideally you shouldn't self-nuke yourself - Venting Shriek's main thing is arguably Creeping Flames

then it saving you from PotW

[elfin roost]

Fair point, however creeping flames is strongest when you're at nuking range

Any time around there is a good time

[plucky flax]

The only ability I run on psyker.

Me noob me need get out of jail free card.

[brisk grove]

i mainly use it to burn off my peril to continue a staff assault

shriek + like half a second of venting gets me pretty close to zero before anyone recovers from the stagger

[vestal fulcrum]

I don't think I ever actively want to vent to zero, there's no good reason to with how I play

Also with Warp Rider and Nexus in mind

[ember raptor]

see I run support/crowd control so I gotta keep my peril low

[vestal fulcrum]

What? Why?

[brisk grove]

i do it because when i run purg staff, i just do charged attack continuously to pin down hordes, can't have any delay to vent in the middle of that

[spice veldt]

buff the suicide explosion to inflict soulblaze pwetty pwease

and 10k damage in a 100m area

[brisk grove]

pretty sure it does?

[ember raptor]

it's just my playstyle. I'm running the purg staff and specced heavily into lower peril generation and soul flame spread. also got smite which is nice

[spice veldt]

if it does inflict soulblaze, i've never noticed it

[ember raptor]

if I have the ability to play support in a game, I do so.

[vestal fulcrum]

instant 0 to 32 stacks

[brisk grove]

sure having the damage boost from high peril is nice but not necessary all the time when you could have a longer continuous assault

[ember raptor]

agreed

[vestal fulcrum]

I suppose what I'm trying to convey in response is that "playing support" does not mean you have to disconnect yourself from playing Psyker to its most effectiveness. There's plenty of reasons to stay at high peril at basically all times, and "playing support" has nothing to do with it.

You have to kill things to play the game. You can do that while having support-y things, but if you don't maximise your kill times, then you're missing out on a lot of complexity that comes with the class.

[quasi junco]

if it does maybe its from perilous combustion on an elite kill via suicide explosion

[ember raptor]

while I appreciate the advice, I'm having fun with the playstyle I'm going for and it's been pretty effective for how I play games

[brisk grove]

perhaps idk

[vestal fulcrum]

And even then, arguably keeping your peril at ~80 at all times to maximise Warp Rider and/or Warp Nexus isn't something terribly difficult. The trick is not to explode with Perils if you make a mis-cast of any of the warp-based abilities

[vestal fulcrum]

And that is something I can't change, so I agree to disagree.

[quasi junco]

i'm so bad managing peril I've started running shriek/creeping flames for the 'oops im about to die' button

the damage is nice

[vestal fulcrum]

It's the strongest ability Psyker has still

[brisk grove]

it feels like it doesn't do that much damage

from my experience

[spice veldt]

i kept blowing myself up so i broke away from my right-side builds and went for venting shriek just as a safeguard for my dumbassness

[vestal fulcrum]

I'd say melting a horde wave 100-0 with a 6 soulburn stack is quite a lot of damage

[brisk grove]

either that or the enemies usually take long enough to die from flames that they get killed by other means

[quasi junco]

this is me running surge staff, creeping flames is 1/5 of my damage

[vestal fulcrum]

a trash horde wave* that is, poxwalkers/groaners

Bruisers will certainly not die from it

[brisk grove]

alternatively, you could melt a wave of trash mobs with 16 stacks from purg staff

[vestal fulcrum]

But having the ability to just instantly remove one horde wave from existence and do something else while it burns to their deaths is immensely good tempo

[brisk grove]

but it's not instant, it takes multiple ticks for them to die

[spice veldt]

it's a nice bit of extra soulblaze to stack on top of purg since it has a higher stack limit as well

[vestal fulcrum]

Well, it is a couple of seconds, but all you have to do is wait/move on/block

[spice veldt]

or for cutting down the second it takes to apply more stacks with soulblaze

[vestal fulcrum]

IDEALLY YOU SHOULDN'T BLOCK

[spice veldt]

and the ult is much more spammable than the other two

[brisk grove]

yeah what i'm saying is, i'm not passive, i go ham with the purg or whatever else and they die before the flames from that get to them

[quasi junco]

yea esp. with warp charges

[spice veldt]

yeah, it's just for speeding up the process

the soulblaze from purg will still kill them ofc

[vestal fulcrum]

I suppose it's a perspective difference then, because I don't really play Purgatus, but even Purgatus can apply ~6-8 stacks to a horde and it will die by itself

[spice veldt]

but y'know, kill em faster with the extra stacks from shriek to deny your teammates from having damage

[vestal fulcrum]

Or you can first Purge it, and then sneeze on it with Venting to make it die quicker

[plucky flax]

For purge you don't need to wait until high peril.

Just spam it to get even 2 or 3 soulblaze stacks headstart.

Make horde killing just that much faster.

I only use creeping flame at high peril with purge against monsters.

For 21 stacks burn.

[vestal fulcrum]

That's a fair fact

[plucky flax]

But I play purga the least so don't trust me.

[vestal fulcrum]

No no, I see what you mean, don't worry about it

Playing Purgatus isn't exactly rocket science

(or is it?)

[plucky flax]

Idk it's too hard. Surge is easier.

Well surge can be as easy or as intense as you want it to be (try hard blitz cancel.)

[vestal fulcrum]

Surge also has its complexities, like jumping above heads of heretics to hit a special/elite in the crowd

[plucky flax]

Tru

[frigid relic]

Blessed by fate is the most dogshit penance

[vestal fulcrum]

It's tedious, I'll give it that

[spice veldt]

i grinded for it and ended up not even liking the mask

[frigid relic]

I just did a heresy run and purposely put myself in harms way multiple times for it to only give me 1 fucking point towards the mask

1/50

[brisk grove]

talking about darktide really makes me want to play another game, but i should probably sleep before 4am

[spice veldt]

you're entering the suicide animation and then venting right

not just hitting 100% peril

[plucky flax]

What's that penance?

[vestal fulcrum]

Save yourself from exploding 50 times, by quelling peril in some way

Ideally by using Venting Shriek

[brisk grove]

yeah you gotta be losing control by the time you hit it

[vestal fulcrum]

I got amogused

[plucky flax]

Use surge or trauma and just spam f everytime it's off cd.

[vestal fulcrum]

send help

[half iron]

hehe

[brisk grove]

i think by psykinetik's wrath they specifically mean shriek, cause "psykinetik's wrath" is the name of the base ability

[vestal fulcrum]

Ah, so it even has to be Shriek/Wrath

[half iron]

venting

[spice veldt]

yeah, it used to be the main version but it was shifted back to being the unaugmented version with patch 13

which is a shame cuz i think psykinetic's wrath is cooler

[hidden crystal]

I'm not sure why it's got to be done so many times.

Doing it a few times teaches players it can be done. Doing it 50 times teaches bad peril management.

[brisk grove]

i wonder if it's coded so that only the base ability and not the "upgraded" one works, that can't be right?

like if you're having trouble completing it

[vestal fulcrum]

I don't think it's the best designed penance by any means, so, agreed.

[spice veldt]

if they are a reliable narrator, they did get 1 point of progress towards it

[vestal fulcrum]

It's just a "do a class thing 5,000 billion times to send a message"

[spice veldt]

yeah i HATE it

[brisk grove]

i just got it by going hard with the staff when the ability was up and intentionally overheating, just keep doing that i guess (though i got it before the skill tree update so idk if something changed)

[vestal fulcrum]

And also teaching you that you should be using Wrath/Shriek to get yourself to Perils and save yourself

which is

NOT ALWAYS A GOOD IDEA, but it sometimes comes in handy

Doing it constantly isn't a good practice, though, I think is the merit of what I'm trying to type

[spice veldt]

it was also back when breaking the chain dropped warp flurry which was particularly annoying back when i was running a flurry trauma

[umbral helm]

the funny thing was when the penance released I was aware of the interaction, but had trained my peril management to a point that I never had to use it. getting the penance I had to ignore the muscle memory I'd worked up already

[hidden crystal]

I believe it's coded that any explosion cancel works, but that used to be the main way to cancel.

Some have reported that soulblaze kills with Battle Meditation counted.

[vestal fulcrum]

It irked me also to forget my muscle memory for a while. Eugh.

[brisk grove]

i know that headshot kills (with transfer peril) from a voidstrike projectile after i overheated have saved me from the death animation before

idk if that would count for the penance tho

[umbral helm]

pretty much all the missions I played I had to go out of my way to blow up, because otherwise I wouldn't

[north dock]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/19b6gdp/plasteel_cap_is_higher_than_1_mil/

which one of you wizard is this

[umbral helm]

I do generally agree though that for fresh players it's a nice concept for a penance. just, maybe reduce it to 5, or at most maybe 10? enough to solidify the mechanic, but not fucking 50

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, if I wasn't just going to load into a private game and deliberately grind it, I ended up having to change the approach I was using for bosses.

I'd usually quickly used my ult to trigger Kinetic Barrage for quick BBs against bosses (well, usually after one BB to get the Peril quelling), but had to change that rhythm to leave it until I was blowing myself up.

Which did actually give the same number of BBs before I had to use regular quelling, but took slightly longer.

[near wyvern]

Nah it's fine at 50. It's pretty fast to achieve compared to do 250 matches.

[umbral helm]

it's achievable, sure. but, that isn't the point being argued here, at least not by me. it's the philosophy behind it

[hidden crystal]

Also, usually deliberately triggering it before getting into the Valkyrie/elevator at the end just so every mission counted once more.

But with my standard play, it took months to get to even ten uses.

[upper sun]

I have ~157 hours in the game 95% as wave clear psyker with assail and illisi I have most lesser kills most games

i still dont have the scab picker 3

[umbral helm]

the original point I was supplementing was that it encourages poor peril management through excessive repetition of using the vent to save yourself. knowing it exists and using it occasionally is one thing, coming to rely on it believing it's the standard is another

though, admittedly, someone might construe that regardless of the number

[vestal fulcrum]

I am become Purge (this popped up yesterday, I think)

[lunar hollow]

hell yeah

welcome to the club

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, it's more that penances should generally exist to help teach class mechanics, to reinforce class style, or represent a fun or difficult challenge.

[near wyvern]

Or if you really now what you are doing it encourages optimal peril management as you can throw 1 more BB/Assail for free at 100 and then immediately ult

[upper sun]

aaaaaaaaa I just want the 3 insignia

[ionic needle]

That's an LMB trauma staff

[hidden crystal]

This one isn't really a challenge (it's tedious to complete rather than difficult), it's not a mechanic that needs reinforcing to this extent, and it's more than is needed to teach you the mechanic.

Many of these penances now require specific builds to complete, and anything that needs a specific build shouldn't be something that needs to be done this many times.

[umbral helm]

true, there's merit both ways. but which route someone takes is heavily dependent on perspective, and you generally can't expect the general public to go with the one that makes sense to you, just because you're experienced and know things. you're the minority when you start bringing in the playerbase as a whole. but, this is why I admitted changing the number probably wouldn't do anything, you'd probably need to tackle the way it's approached instead rather than quantity.

[ionic needle]

Penances give you nothing but cosmetics, there's really no need for them to be anything but grindy or requiring a specific build

[visual estuary]

FOR THE EMPEROR IM SURE

[frigid relic]

But you don’t get it if you immediately ult you have to wait for the animation to play

[hidden crystal]

(Sure, there were always things like the Zealot's "regenerate health" penance that called for one specific talent, but that only needed to be succeeded once).

[ionic needle]

It's fun that they added some stupid ones and some others that might teach you some class mechanics or enforce good play, but they really shouldn't be anything but fluff

[frigid relic]

I’ve had it reach 100% and used the ult and it didn’t count

It’s a stupid fucking penance for a cool mask

I don’t want it anymore whatever

[umbral helm]

there is also that factor, that none of this really matters. but, I like debating this sort of thing, because it gets into design philosophies and stuff and those are fun to poke around

[hidden crystal]

Reaching 100% isn't always an explosion, though.

[visual estuary]

reaching 100% gives zealot the scramblies

[frigid relic]

I hate this penance honestly

[visual estuary]

eventually zealot falls into deep sleep and turns into a twisted thing that whispers sweet nothings unless you get close, and then twisted thing kills you

[hidden crystal]

Usually you have to reach 100% and then continue to use Peril for it to be an explosion.

[visual estuary]

This, I hit 100% all of the time.

[frigid relic]

No i know, that’s why this shit sucks

[visual estuary]

As long as you don't let another charge off you are good.

[frigid relic]

It doesn’t actually teach you anything they just want you to grind 20 matches to get a mask

[quasi junco]

creeping flames/surge staff is great, almost swept the board

using illisi for melee for whomever is curious, really like this buld

[hidden crystal]

(Exception: Brain bursts use enough Peril that they'll trigger perils of the warp if you use it again at above 97%).

[quasi junco]

only hard part on using venting shriek with surge is protection from gunners, bubble my beloved

[umbral helm]

it is unfortunate that outside of somewhere like here a lot of that information has to be felt out, because of how often this game either doesn't tell you things or lies when the info is there, and not everyone is good at operating on feel. some people do better reading things out

[hidden crystal]

Indeed, it's a lot less frustrating than playing Sienna could be in VT, where merely reaching max charge was a boom.

[quasi junco]

game is supbar on explaining shit, I learned 90% of what i know from this discord

[umbral helm]

I learned most of what I know by playing and testing things out myself, though I couldn't tell you breakpoints or anything like that. stuff dies when you hit it enough

though I'm willing to look that info up when someone wants to know, but I probably won't retain any of it after passing it on.

slides right off the brain

[plucky flax]

Surge vs purga.

[stuck sinew]

Who needs protection when they're being electrocuted

[ionic needle]

If you're running shriek and there's gunners, just use shriek

Staggered gunners -> Start surging

[umbral helm]

gotta give the heretics a nice, even burn over a low flame. he'll have his grilling certificate revoked shortly

[quasi junco]

the issue is when they are spread out and far apart, gotta be super quick

[plucky flax]

So many shooters that round. I alone killed 241 smol dudes and 94 elites shooter.

[umbral helm]

sometimes the director is just really feeling guns that mission

[quasi junco]

i cant decide if smite or BB pairs better with surge staff

maybe smite since surge LMB can hit snipers

far away

[plucky flax]

I use smite.

Left click for far, right click for close range specialist kills.

Bb seems so useless with surge.

[quasi junco]

Yea thats what I'm thinking too

is this OK for protection via gunner or is unreliable?

i have one point to burn, thiinking of move speed, this or one of the top toughness nodes

[plucky flax]

It could be good. I can't afford it on my own surge build tho

[winter siren]

i like assail, good for sniping or clearing medium spread. Anything assail cant deal with I hit with surge.

And you can just magdump your assail into light horde

[untold niche]

@plucky flax for blaze trauma how many times you need to kill a gunner?
im watching your video and it seems like 2 +some burn but i can't confirm
because when you shoot your thing you always look up

the crowd clear quite insane

but like against elites its eh from waht i see

[radiant frigate]

it's only bad management if you stop using shriek

[untold niche]

also whats the blessing and perk setup?

nexus + blazing spirit & maniac + flak?

[upper sun]

i try to go for carapace rather than maniac but usually i end up counting my blessings if i get 3 out of the 4 things I need

[untold niche]

woah, its just 1 half charge crit + 1 half charge normal

but the cara damage is pretty b ad even with perk

[shadow wigeon]

Great for bosses

[upper sun]

cant always rely on your team to deal with bulwarks and crushers

[shadow wigeon]

EE is great with LMB spam on Surge, and can be good during melee. RMB it's just ok.

[deep pine]

surge can crit?

[shadow wigeon]

Surge staff?

[plucky flax]

Surge is actually very decent against monster.

[plucky flax]

No flak and crit chance

But yes trauma won't kill shooters as fast as surge or assail.

[untold niche]

i see, thanks dude.

[ornate hamlet]

Does anyone know what cosmetic set this is?

[plucky flax]

Still not sure why you think elites kill is eh with blaze trauma.

Bring it to melee only and you'll only see your name on the kill feed.

Against elite gunner if you crit it's 1 shot (warp charges/peril)

[untold niche]

half charge from 80 peril?

[plucky flax]

No full charge if you can.

[untold niche]

i think its because im like subconsciously comparing it to void?

[plucky flax]

Void is also not that good at shooters clear in my hand.

[untold niche]

yeah that is true, trauma has aoe

[vestal fulcrum]

This isn't a complete set, it's a mish-mash of certain set parts

[untold niche]

wait did you mean you cant aim or

like void also not good

so sorry

[plucky flax]

Maybe it's both.

(I can't aim )

[untold niche]

ahh, as in void if crit i jsut need half charge, but of couse no AOE
but i tried yoru build trauma againster mauler with full charges and around 80 warp and it didn't do that much damage iirc

i assume for mauler

[plucky flax]

It's so bad pls buff.

[untold niche]

you stagger and then let teammate kill?

[plucky flax]

Wut dood I kill everything.

[untold niche]

wait whats the threshold for mauler

[plucky flax]

Why would I leave random stuff straggling about.

You will never 1 shot mauler with trauma wtf

[untold niche]

yeah i know >:v

i remember taking like 4 shots or sumting

whats your normal mauler threshold

[plucky flax]

3 or 4.

[untold niche]

full charge?

[plucky flax]

If I'm at high peril and 6 warp charges, I can 2 crit it.

Yes.

[untold niche]

so basically void is like a railgun and trauma a bomb

[plucky flax]

My void build is carried by assail.

[upper sun]

and surge is a taser

[untold niche]

why would you need assail even

i don't understand surge

[plucky flax]

Because as I said, void sucks against shooters in my hand.

[untold niche]

ohh

are you an old man

[plucky flax]

Also horde clear.

[untold niche]

i got very used to shrieking for horde clear

[plucky flax]

Yes I only use creeping flames.

Never bubble nor gazer.

[upper sun]

assail surge staff venting and illisi

all clear and cc zero boss damage 😍

[urban sandal]

bb trauma unmodified shriek dclaw

[quasi junco]

why assail on surge tho?

[upper sun]

warp fried my brain i just clear hoards cc dogs and collect plasteel now

[plucky flax]

Going assail make you lose cdr.

I like to spam creeping flames a lot with surge.

[upper sun]

uhhh surge force staff?

[plucky flax]

Yes.

[upper sun]

oh you mean wild fire?

[plucky flax]

Yes and also kinetic's presence or whatever it's called.

5% cdr on elite/special kill.

[upper sun]

yeah i know its really nice

but i love jump assailing snipers from hidden places

[quasi junco]

psykinetics aura

[upper sun]

once i finally get surge blessing ill prolly switch to smite voidstrike

[quasi junco]

be a chad and go true aim disrupt destiny

[upper sun]

i dont even know what those are

[quasi junco]

the lower half of my voidstrike build

[upper sun]

ohh ye

[quasi junco]

i like bubble on voidstrike so I can aim at things in peace

[upper sun]

right tree is nice too

idk once i farm up a good voidstrike staff ill mess around with it

[quasi junco]

asking people in auric 'is this malice?' never gets old in lobby

had a few people leave lol

[ornate hamlet]

Guys do I have to delete my talents to get Malleus Monstronum ? Also does DH still counts?

Cuz I killed dh and didnt get the achieve

[hoary charm]

No

Private game with a shield ogryn buddy and piss off a daemonhost

[ornate hamlet]

I did that

[hoary charm]

Private game only

[ornate hamlet]

nothing happened

yes on private game

[hoary charm]

If bots deal damage to it it wont count

Or enough damage

Brain burst only

[ornate hamlet]

weve got 4 players no bots

I did everything right I guess its just a bug idk

[hoary charm]

Do it on damnation

[ornate hamlet]

did that

[plush oak]

voidstrike god roll

[deep pine]

is this relatively normal in comparison to my teammates for surge/smiter?

[vestal fulcrum]

Is this, unironically, good ?

(I got it from mission reward)

[vestal fulcrum]

What's the ability you were using?

[wheat seal]

so much build to do with the psyker that more slots are needed ^^

[vestal fulcrum]

Check this out:
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/209

[wheat seal]

omg

I love you

You save my life

Clearly the mod I need ahah

thanks

[quasi junco]

arent characters server side? how does this mod get around that?

[umbral helm]

no idea, I've only ever used it for the more loadouts portion

also in relation to the thing about needing to BB bosses, I've heard talk of it working on the weakened monstrosities in maelstroms, but haven't seen anything concrete beyond just talk

worth a try anyway, if you've already got a group for it

[deep pine]

surge staff and smite

[raw quiver]

Life of an ogyrn be tough man

Lil squishies going down left and right recently

Painful games

[wheat seal]

what do you think is the best way to drop the blessing you want? I was thinking of upgrading lots of weapons until I had one with the blessing and then "Earn blessing"

[raw quiver]

Higher the base value the more likely you'll get higher tier blessings

[umbral helm]

people debate that all the time, you won't get a clear answer. I just did a mix of checking melk and consecrating things from Brunt that looked promising

[raw quiver]

Still gotta rely on RNG for weapon stats and at least one desirable perk and blessing

[wheat seal]

Yes, but my question is, is it faster to upgrade weapons to drop blessing or, for example, hope to drop it after a mission?

[umbral helm]

up to you, one is more plasteel-intensive than the other, and you end up getting things from both whichever way you do it

[wheat seal]

20% was not the max health ?

[raw quiver]

Very rarely do you actually get a weapon worth using from a mission drop

You're better off buying greys from the armory and upgrading those at least twice to see if they're the perks/blessing you're looking for

[wheat seal]

I guess I'll need to farm lol

[umbral helm]

they're specifically asking for good ways to acquire blessings from weapons, rather than how to craft a good one, I believe

[raw quiver]

There is no good way

It's all luck

[umbral helm]

hence my answers

[raw quiver]

If you're lucky

With the vast amounts of weapons you buy/trash

You can get a solid high tier blessing if it becomes bricked

[stuck sinew]

Do your weeklies and hope Melk packs a decent blessing

[outer vessel]

I'm in the mood to dumpster a couple of histg aurics if anyone wants in

[outer vessel]

he's packing heaps of hot swamp shit most of the time

[umbral helm]

the weapons themselves usually are, yes. the blessings however can be nice. may as well snag it if you don't have it

[stuck sinew]

hey now sometimes it's only lukewarm swamp shit

[outer vessel]

shit is shit

Strike party 4 if anyone wats some basic runs done

[vestal fulcrum]

No, no, like your active ability.

[vestal fulcrum]

That I don't know

[deep pine]

oh the venting scream one @vestal fulcrum

[vestal fulcrum]

I see. I'm trying to make a comparison to my own scoreboards and the results are...

I'm usually slightly above average, or average, but that also depends on what type of mission it is.

[midnight jolt]

why is it so rare to find a curio that is not royally fk-ed?

not even one perk is good, not one, nada, zero

[deep pine]

Same/similar build? My playstyle is usually keep six stacks of warp siphon up, spam charged surge shots on elites and hold LMB smite when situation looks good to do so, getting super long smites.

[vestal fulcrum]

I almost never use LMB smite, it's too limited in how many things it hits, but the rest checks out

The playstyle revolves around Surge/Venting shriek more than on Smite

Smite is like "I want to hold the horde until I Shriek on it"

[deep pine]

Are you using wildfire? Actually with like 10 second+ LMB smite I can lockdown and abusrd amount of monsters.

[umbral helm]

it's always funny to me that curios at that level seem to roll exp gain more. I don't think in any of my 4 characters I leveled to 30 I've ever seen a curio while they still needed it naturally roll exp gain of any amount

[midnight jolt]

that perk should be removed

if you are going to make corruption a thing at least make it so is resistance to anything that corrupts

is just a huge waste of time and resources, like filler perks

whoever added these perks I wonder if ever played the game ...

[umbral helm]

speaking of exp gain, it's in the same vein as auric quickplay still offering that 20% exp bonus, when you unlock those when you hit 30

[midnight jolt]

yeah, then they wonder why people create metas, simple, because you made 10% of things too strong and the other 90% shit

is a pattern, 90% of wasted RNG and only 10% good, that be perks, bleesings, etc

let me shutdown my brain rant mode and be a good heretic killer

[plucky flax]

Do you only play with premades?

[ionic needle]

The perk bloat could be worse though, did you guys play diablo 4?

"50% bone spear damage to enemies at full health who are stunned and far away"

[midnight jolt]

that doesn't help our cause

[deep pine]

20% extra damage on tuesdays when enemies are slowed.

[ionic needle]

No it doesn't, but it's nice knowing FS aren't the worst sometimes

[vestal fulcrum]

Nope. I don't think the ability is impactful enough to spend a skill on it currently.

[vestal fulcrum]

No, I mostly play random lobbies

Rarely if ever my friends want to currently play. The game's stagnated a little.

[untold niche]

level 29 in a5mael

fastest dodge

[radiant frigate]

i'm sure that one talent point makes all the difference

[restive slate]

There are some longtime players who make a whole new character class

Can understand if you absolutely need a no death run though

[vestal fulcrum]

I take it for more consistent things

So I assume it might make some difference

Whereas Wildfire doesn't really do all that much on a build that only has 1 reliable source of soulblaze (Perilous Comb. is another, but I need specials/elites for that)

[midnight jolt]

do you even get good modifier ratings before 30?
would you have decent end game weapons before 30?
is a lot to ask to others on T5 maelstorm

[untold niche]

doubt that he is going to have good gear on 29 though lol

is a5 maelstrom harder with premade?
my first time playing premade, the mini monsters seem to spawn more

[cosmic sigil]

No

[untold niche]

ah so just placebo

xD

[cosmic sigil]

Some runs you got a few monsters... Some.. we had 5-6 at the beginning

[untold niche]

first time i played mini mosnters

barely any