psyker-class

[dapper shadow]

so Ive never had much of an issue

[cold hornet]

And psykers boss dps is probably the worst of all the classes

[dapper shadow]

It spawns for 3 seconds aaand its dead

[half turtle]

yeah basically

[dapper shadow]

this is what I usually use for bosses

[golden tartan]

Unless ur using gunpsyker but ye

[half turtle]

sometimes i get thunderhammer zealot and gunlugger ogryn with like 3 second boss ttk

but sometimes it's 4 psykers and 3 of them have assail

[cold hornet]

Love looking at the scoreboard and seeing highest single damage instance being over 20k for zealots.

[golden tartan]

Not counting columnus or volverpsyker, psyker i think is quite far behind the other three classes

[cold hornet]

So much faith is beautiful

[upper sun]

sorry boss i do clear

rest is on you

[hidden crystal]

I accidentally hit a DH a couple of missions back, and I'd forgotten just how much damage I can actually block.

[half turtle]

me with trauma staff: 😐

[half turtle]

yeah even with the nerf to autoquell KD still lets you tank hosts literally forever

it's crazy actaully

[wind spruce]

Kinetic flayer for the memes?

[cold hornet]

My current purge build, might play around dumping anticipation for KD

[dapper shadow]

hey its nice when you see it pop on a mauler, crusher or monstrosity

[hidden crystal]

It's also fun combined with Deflector for walking up to gunners and then just pushing them over.

[dapper shadow]

one less charged attack

[untold niche]

gaddam
never played only scab before

[dapper shadow]

Probably not the best pick but I do like kinetic flayer

[half turtle]

this is my favorite maelstrom

[wind spruce]

Definitely fits rule of cool, but

[half turtle]

hands down

[dapper shadow]

wtf 3minutes left

I'm doing it

[quartz barn]

That maelstrom is really fun

[half turtle]

i wish flayer would just not proc on lesser enemies

[dapper shadow]

yeah true

[cold hornet]

KD does also help with maintaining high peril

Which is always appreciated

[untold niche]

i always found the nurgle boosted + mini monsters to be more funny

[dapper shadow]

easy ortho docs

melee only

[quartz barn]

But plasteel

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, the cooldown wouldn't sting so much if it was only ever actually on heavy targets.

[half turtle]

i think green guys is ok but i really really hate green dogs

[cold hornet]

Melee is scary. I'm supposed to be safe in my bubble!

[wind spruce]

Melee only let's goooooo

[hollow halo]

https://tenor.com/view/luke-skywalker-jedi-star-wars-gif-11834128

[cold hornet]

Jedi?! Nah I'm palpatine

[hidden crystal]

I have however screwed over a team by joining them as a staff psyker.

I think it was an Ogryn and two Zealots, and the veteran bot was at least replenishing a little of their ammo.

[half turtle]

unlimited 3 stacks of power

[quartz barn]

How would you screw over a team in a no ammo run as a psyker with a staff?

[half turtle]

replacing vet with survival aura i guess

[quartz barn]

Regardless of what you run youll slay in that run

[half turtle]

i did a melee maelstrom as voice plasma vet with survivalist and my ammo was actually fine tho

[hollow halo]

nah, not your problem

their issue if they need ammo in a no ammo run

[half turtle]

i feel like you can just play like kickback shield ogryn and do fine on ammo

as long as you're not like contesting the psyker's brain burst with your gun

[hidden crystal]

Before I joined they all had a little ammo they could count on, if they were sparing. After that, basically only I had any ranged.

Sure, I was racking up a reasonable number of kills, but I can't always see every target that needs shooting.

[cold hornet]

Everyone still sees the blue highlight, and goes right for them

Always

[half turtle]

yes then they complain about being out of ammo

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i just feel like if there's no pressure then let the psyker do their thing because it's free and costs 0 resources but i think people just like shooting shit too much

[quartz barn]

But how is that on you if you end up being the only one with ranged

[hidden crystal]

Also, if I'm honest, it's not my standard play style (I normally expect most of my kills to be melee), so I may have been a bit rough around the edges.

We made it, but it's arguable that everyone having a bit of ammo is better than one guy having all of it.

[half turtle]

possibly but having an actual player also relieves so much pressure on most teams

[cold hornet]

Tbh I've been surprised with how competent bots have been as long as they only have to deal with melee.

Range runs them through

[dapper shadow]

I do love joining these auric maelstroms missions when they're already half completed

[half turtle]

yesterday i played one where every other pub slot rotated through 2-3 players

it was insane

people would just join, down, and leave

it was like, non-auric hi5 levels of clown fiesta

[upper sun]

I FUCKING DID IT

[hidden crystal]

I normally run a marksman gunpsyker, but it'd be silly to have a Voidstrike like this and always leave it in the locker: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1143357397948178472/image.png

(Old screenshot, obvs, from before they changed the exact values on these blessings).

[upper sun]

FINALLY

[half turtle]

gratz

are you trying the lmb build

[upper sun]

im just collecting blessings

i dont even play the game

[half turtle]

me neither

[hidden crystal]

Shame I couldn't get T4 Transfer, but hey.

[half turtle]

im just here to amass plasteel

[upper sun]

now i just have to get another surge on my void

[untold niche]

thats what makes it fun

[half turtle]

i just feel like green dogs is a ping check

[untold niche]

just slide dodge

[half turtle]

yes but that eats two dodges 😦

[untold niche]

and the green gunners too

[half turtle]

tbh i would mind less if green dogs had a specific green-dog sound cue

[untold niche]

heh heh

can't stagger them

[half turtle]

so i could know that there is a green dog active and i should play to make space for dodges

[untold niche]

at mael crushers get blown up either way so green crusher isn't that bad in my experience

[half turtle]

yeah i actaully do not mind green crushers

[untold niche]

green flamers

[cold hornet]

Green bulwarks can kiss my ass

[untold niche]

i run voidstrike so eh

[cold hornet]

They always come in pairs too

[untold niche]

going to damage them either way through the shield

[half turtle]

brain burst does ok vs green bulwarks

[untold niche]

lets go

[half turtle]

what a classic

[untold niche]

best is histg + nurgle + monster

missing nurglke

i see three +1 and +0 and i dodge

[half turtle]

people play auric maelstrom as fresh 30s?

i guess if you have like 800 hours on another class or something it's probably fine

[hidden crystal]

Well, the thing as a fresh 30 is that you've not got the gear yet.

[half turtle]

yeah

[untold niche]

even if im competent on another class i wouldnt' play mael on a fresh 30 even with gear

[hidden crystal]

Sure, you might have unlocked a few higher blessings on the cross class weapons, but actual stats and good curios? Not so likely.

[untold niche]

though i you could have good gear at fresh 30

[half turtle]

yeah you can hit 30 and imediately dump like 100k dockets and a few thousand plasteel to get 370+ whatever weapons with good blessings

[cold hornet]

It's the curios that take forever

[hidden crystal]

I guess if you've stock piled resources you could have hit up Brunt's, sure, but yeah, curios...

[half turtle]

maybe they're one of those "i have 5 ogryns" people

[cold hornet]

400 hours and still only have 1 "perfect" curio

[half turtle]

i have 0 lol

[hidden crystal]

Two curios an hour, most with poor stats, and then Hadron bricks most.

[half turtle]

well i have a full set of curios where the main item is "perfect" but usually it has a rank 3 perk in something i can't roll off

like rank 3 toughness regen

[hidden crystal]

Oh, +XP, +Flamer and +Hound, all at T3?

Yes, Hadron, I'm just ecstatic with joy at the Machine God's generosity.

[half turtle]

it's actaully amazing the number of curios i get that end up with xp, dockets, hound or xp, grim resist, curio chance

i'm actually willing to run almost any +damage resist except hound or grim

heck ill even take corruption resist

because it makes my psyker get downed by burster #2 instead of outright die

[cold hornet]

When are we going to get burster resistance?

I want to tank a hit plz

[hidden crystal]

Dockets is okay if you're looking to hit up Brunt's a lot, but I'm fed up with that roulette now, and would rather have purely on-mission bonuses.

[half turtle]

just take shouty vet

[fair spruce]

there's a chunk of the playerbase that swears burster is covered by one of theo nes we already have

[untold niche]

i usually had to spend around 30-500k for a single weapon

[fair spruce]

Stop

Buying

From

Brunt

[half turtle]

is it not covered by the corruption one?

[fair spruce]

check the docket vendor when it cycles and keep your mind open to what weapons you'll collect

[untold niche]

yeah +dockets per mission
because burster sends you back to menu faster

[half turtle]

well i have like 8m dockets so what else am i gonna spend it on

[wind spruce]

I already do this and have tens of millions of dockets left over

[untold niche]

roll god roll tier weapons you are interested in ig
I recently found out caxe is near god roll

[cold hornet]

Boycott, divest, and sanction that swindler

[untold niche]

blaze trauma is god roll

[fair spruce]

there's ussually at least 1 370+ and almost certainly a 360 or two

[half turtle]

i actually have never used caxe even when brutal momentum was busted

i kinda just didn't like the moveset very much

and it bothered me that the heavies didn't stagger ragers even tho taxe heavies did

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, I usually only buy from Brunt now if I want to try out a new weapon, or if I've got a bazillion Dockets with nothing to do with.

Watching the browser plug in for the store has much better odds.

[dapper shadow]

gratz

[fair spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/come-to-me-dr-evil-sad-come-here-gif-5275332

I run an orphanage for disabled and developmentally delayed weaponry

the Warphanage

he will have a home here

[half turtle]

what is "5"

i only know "V"

[tulip kettle]

just wanting to double check

[hidden crystal]

The random generation really needs to get less horrible. When most of Brunt's weapons will have stats in the 30s or 40s...

[tulip kettle]

blazing spirit level 4 doesnt exist right?

[half turtle]

it does for swords but not staves apparently

[tulip kettle]

yeah i didnt think so

[half turtle]

swords seem to have blaze 2 3 4 but staves only have blaze 3

[tulip kettle]

only took me 6 attempts with hadron to get the trauma i needed, and about 1 mil dockets for the bases

wanted to check i couldnt get tier 4 before i wasted anymore mats lol

[hidden crystal]

Bargain.

That's only like 20 hours of gameplay worth.

[tulip kettle]

indeed

my rng luck is insane in the crafting in this game

and terrible in the actual game haha

although, it is only 75 radius on this

im sure it wont matter THAT much

[hidden crystal]

I get that they think giving us god tier weapons too easily gives us nothing to strive for or keep us engaged, but where the RNG is at right now makes me feel like it's not worth trying for better gear.

[tulip kettle]

idk, i think people are too perfectionist about it

like, this staff is almost perfect, but like i say only 75 on radius

if i didnt want to accept that

it would take me 10 times as long

[fair spruce]

incorrect

550

I accept your apology

[tulip kettle]

okri off his meds again]

[hidden crystal]

I say that as someone whose main loadout has a T1 blessing in it because at least I like that blessing and I'm sick of rolling things with Blessings that don't work the way I want to play.

[cold hornet]

Unf, that axe

Brick it for me daddy haddy

[fair spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/blazing-saddles-watch-your-ass-mel-gibson-gif-11400262

[hidden crystal]

I've got a couple of perfect curios, but those predate the Brunt update, at which point getting curios became way slower.

[fair spruce]

might keeper as is

pure as the driven snow

people who sweat 1% deserve what they bring upon themselves

[hidden crystal]

Well, it's not bad, really. There's at least synergy in having things sharing crit chance and triggering on chained attacks.

Good if you've got talents that want crits.

[untold niche]

wow from armoury

fuycking bricked

being forced to play quickpaly because im a docket and palsteel hore

[upper sun]

yeah

its ok to leave if you get low visiblity

thats what i do when im farming

[cosmic sigil]

What is the speed of assail Regen?

I wonder if the 30% node is useful

[tight thorn]

Thats good enough yeah?

[cosmic sigil]

Time to get it bricked

[tight thorn]

Nah it's not bad

Shame I didnt get a t4 blessing

[echo frigate]

I mean it helps somewhat

You get closer to the broken days with it

[untold niche]

i got put into histg

[tawny jetty]

I think you need like 76% burn to hit a breakpoint or something.

[haughty star]

https://tenor.com/view/surprise-chris-pratt-parks-and-recreation-parks-and-rec-shocked-gif-5571450

[shell maple]

How do i oneshot a sniper with revolver on Psyker? What breakpoints?

I keep having to two shot them and it sucks

[mental rock]

Hit their head?

[shell maple]

Damnation btw

[upper sun]

idk assail one hits them at any threat level

i pretty much only run it because i cant aim

[shell maple]

With alt fire?

[upper sun]

yeah ofc

[shell maple]

They are usually so far away im not sure if im hitting their chest or head..

[mental rock]

Well revolvers have a bit of damage dropoff with range. You can maybe get +unarmored if you really want to kill those snipers, I don't know if it will help with one hits though as I usually go for headshots

+unarmored will also help with dreg gunner one hits

[shell maple]

Ahh neat, +25% Unarmored it is

[haughty star]

Are you using the Aagripinaa?

Or the zarona

[upper sun]

🤔 if grimoires give a health gimp shouldnt scriptures give you something

[tulip kettle]

nexus 3 to nexus 4 or crit chance 4 to crit chance 5

[hidden crystal]

Both types of books are supposed to be an additional challenge for the team (either just by reducing their available deployable slots or by also reducing health), so no, in game design purpose, they shouldn't provide any bonus.

[tulip kettle]

the words of the emperor are sacred and must be recovered.

works of chaos must be abandoned or destroyed.

[haughty star]

He said gimp, as in debuff or negative status effect. Lol

[stone canyon]

Goodby cruel world, my Veteran needs that Blessing more

[hidden crystal]

I would argue that the phrasing is ambiguous (they said "give you something" not "give you one too", and "something" could well mean that if Grimoires are evil chaos writings, righteous Imperial writings should have the opposite effect), but either way I feel the question is answered.

[tulip kettle]

dont do it

farm it elsewhere

[stone canyon]

Already done, got this as replacement from Melk's

[tulip kettle]

meh fine then

[marble crater]

Since you should be at high peril most of the time the Nexus 4 should also give you consistently more crit chance, or at least equal to Crit chance +5%

[hidden crystal]

Both forms of book are ultimately a debuff for the team. Scriptures by reducing your other resources, Grimoires with less of a resource hit (given there's only two) but the corruption penalty instead.

[stone canyon]

It was 3/4 anyway

[radiant frigate]

don't grims have the same slot anyway

[stone canyon]

I might switch to Columnus V on my Zealot too, so 3 classes want that blessing

[shell maple]

This

[radiant frigate]

you should do kantrael XII

or any really

[stone canyon]

Gunker is fun, but i kinda got already other two classes rocking assault rifles already, wanna keep it unique with staffs

[hidden crystal]

In Darktide, they both take your deployable slot, but no mission will include both types.

(Vermintide they took different slots, they were (I believe) on every mission, and you could end up carrying five books by the end).

[radiant frigate]

correct

so saying grims just reduce your health but not slots is wrong

[hidden crystal]

I don't believe I said that at any point.

[radiant frigate]

yeah you edited it, no more use of the word "instead"

saying they reduce health instead of a resource hit is not right, sure it's less because they're 2 but they make your life considerably more miserable

[hidden crystal]

Calling me up on something I had already some moments before edited for clarity is pushing this a bit.

[radiant frigate]

typing on a phone takes a while, and half my screen, so i didn't see the edited version until later

[marble crater]

Even without the edit it was clear what you meant

[shrewd shard]

is the damage on this thing too low for it to be worth upgrading?

[radiant frigate]

whatever, topic has been talked to death

[marble crater]

Damage is dump stat on purgatus, it's fine

[shrewd shard]

okay thats what i was thinking it was like 1-3 damage different on 60% or higher staff

so this is actually a really good roll

[radiant frigate]

i imagine most of the damage is from soulblaze

[hidden crystal]

I lost enthusiasm for the Kantrael XII after it stopped being able to headshot all light enemies.

Used to use it a lot on my marksman gunpsyker, but after the rebalance it now can't one-shot the flak helmets on melee dregs.

[marble crater]

Almost all your damage will be from the fire, now get good perks and blessings and you are set. Purgatus is really easy to roll well

[radiant frigate]

that makes sense, i was wondering why it felt worse after i came back

it can still 1shs a lot of stuff i feel

or damn near

[hidden crystal]

It made for a rather harsh transition from when (with enough Warp charges), it used to be able to bodyshot many enemy types if you were far enough away (because of the reverse damage fall-off it's got).

[radiant frigate]

wouldn't know, i usually consider that a waste of ammo

[north dock]

is this good enough for me to buy

[hidden crystal]

Headshots were certainly preferred to trigger Ghost/Between the Eyes, but this was a test in the Psykanium at Damnation with 6 warp charges and Warp Unleashed (but 0% Peril, because it used to give you extra damage even at zero peril, insert sobbing noises here).

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1139665049787568179/2023-08-11_22-00-03.mp4

[upper sun]

ok who was it here that recommended the dodge settings?

[hearty oak]

If i wanted to use a knife on a psyker, would i want flesh tearer?

[hidden crystal]

But even if that was still enough, the fact that Warp Charges are now harder to maintain means I'd no longer go with a build like that.

Before keeping up full warp charges wasn't that hard; now it automatically comes with "burn all your warp charges if you need to use your Ult", and you can't build it up/maintain it by BBing light enemies.

[radiant frigate]

hate the new warp charges

i want them dead

[upper sun]

THANK YOU best advice ive gotten since i started playing

[stone canyon]

What dodge settings? I just changed mine so that Shift is both sprint and dodge, and Alt is crouch = very easy dodge slides

[radiant frigate]

i refuse to use dodge slides

[stone canyon]

Makes lots of situations way easier, can slide backwards while keeping on firing stuff

[upper sun]

stationary dodge and diagonal dodge always dodge is ok but im not used to it

[shrewd shard]

happy with the result

[midnight jolt]

My space key is jump and dodge, but; with extra settings it always dodges except when I sprint, which in that case I would slide, works like a charm 😉

[upper sun]

ye im not used to that

🤔 i should try using my extra mouse key for dodging

[stone canyon]

2 days using my new controls and i still keep messing it up at times

But its worth it in long run

[marble crater]

Change barrage to flurry and unarmoured to maniac or crit chance and you are good

[shrewd shard]

heard that

[midnight jolt]

Change terrifying barrage for literally anything else

[shrewd shard]

alright sweet

whats suppression vs stagger?

[hidden crystal]

I've switched to Empowered Psionics now.

I had to change the Kantrael XII for a Vraks VII too, which can still headshot all light enemies with the right perks.

[upper sun]

upgrade both of my super rare +3 stamina curios
they both get +8% ordo

HOW

H O W

[hidden crystal]

Suppression: AAAAH, I'm being shot at!
Stagger: OOF, I've been shot.

[marble crater]

Suppression is basically them being scared and looking for cover while stagger is crowd control and a light stun, afaik

[upper sun]

Supression is wasing ammo

just kill them

[radiant frigate]

dockets be upon ye

[hidden crystal]

More clearly than my original description, Suppression is enemies running for cover when shots go near them/you kill their nearby mates, Stagger is enemies being knocked about by a hit.

[radiant frigate]

better than +curio chance innit

[upper sun]

yeah

[marble crater]

Ordos are a great perk, more gambling

[upper sun]

i think hadron wants me to make a speed running build

[hidden crystal]

Note however that being hit with fire already suppresses nearly anything that can be suppressed. The only thing Barrage would really help out with is the things you don't hit, but when things like poxwalkers are already immune to suppression, there's only so much it'd actually help if you're not managing to keep the horde in front of you.

[upper sun]

you know what

[marble crater]

Stand in a door, then there is nothing you are not hitting

[upper sun]

those tech priests are ok

got a third +3 stamina curio

at least one of the potential 6 perks has to be good

[marble crater]

[hidden crystal]

I have theoretically got a perfect +3 Stamina curio - all T4 perks.

Except that the fragging thing is bugged and only gives +2 Stamina when on an actual mission. (This seems to relate to them having Blessing Rating 75, somehow it rounds differently on mission).

[upper sun]

yup

i got all three of mine in the store just camping it

i have two 76 and one 77

[hot zephyr]

I can confirm this, I have a 75 and a 76, both show as +3 in the UI and Psykanium, but the 75 only gives 2 in a mission

I tested this eariler this week when I picked up my new level 76 one

[hidden crystal]

This'd be pretty epic if they fixed that bug, but it's now been around for a long time so it doesn't seem to be on their radar for a fix:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1138420684721233920/image.png

[hot zephyr]

Mine has 15% gunner resist and 5% health & toughness

I like gunner resist for my builds since I tend to favour short-ranged combat

[hidden crystal]

If they fixed it, I could actually run a full set of curios with all T4 perks. (Of my working +3 Stamina curios, I've not got better than 2x T4 and 1x T3 on the perks).

Alas, I've not got any +21% HP or +17% Tgh curios Hadron didn't brick, but I have got +20% HP and +16% Tgh curios with all T4 perks.

[haughty star]

Okay so non ironically

[hot zephyr]

Honestly don't worry that much about having perfect gear. Playing well and avoiding damage / positioning well will have a much bigger effect than a couple percentage points of health or toughness

[haughty star]

I actually like that stupid shield I made yesterday

[hot zephyr]

Can I see? I wasn't around much yesterday curious what ya made?

[haughty star]

Made a meme out of a God tier sword hadron bricked for me

[hot zephyr]

Honestly, that seems like a great choice to go with a weapon that kinda carries on it's own like a trauma or purgatus

[haughty star]

I use it with surge and smite

[hidden crystal]

Well, I don't care that much about one point on the HP or T - it isn't that big of a difference.

But the difference between +2 and +3 stamina is a big proportional change.

[hot zephyr]

That would also work

[haughty star]

Smite for horde surge for anything in the way and that for "oh fuck it's gonna hit me"

[hot zephyr]

Yes, 2 stam vs 3 stam is a big difference. I felt that when I realized my curio was bugged and got a new one the other day.

I'm using a combat knife so the extra stam for spamming push attacks it's a big deal

[haughty star]

Running block efficiency on my curios I can tank a demon host or a plague ogryn to the face

Like I was doing this as a joke but literally as long as I kite well I'm quite literally immortal with this meme rolling

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, I honestly like Block Eff. Not like a ton of it, but like two curio perks of 10% or greater or if you have it on a melee weapon that's defensive oriented it really does make you feel very good block wise

[haughty star]

I've got kd too so it's basically endless lmao

[hot zephyr]

Before I changed up my curios I had 2x 10% block eff and you really felt it, can just wade through a horde with block up no issues

[tawny jetty]

If you're at max peril w kd does it start using stamina?

[queen fog]

Yea

[haughty star]

Yes

[hot zephyr]

Yeah every build should have KD honestly, there's like maybe a couple weird meme builds where you don't need it, but like, why would you not?

[haughty star]

And with a +3 on you got enough time for it to flip flop with your peril lmao

[hot zephyr]

No matter what keystone you go, it's at most 3 extra talent points to get KD

[haughty star]

I mean I did it as a meme but even without damage blessings it's strong enough to clap anything I need it to

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, deimos hits a lot of breakpoints without +% dmg buffs. You'll feel the difference on auric tho when you see the nurgle blessed mobs

Suddenly something that normally claps just goes wet-noodle

[haughty star]

Lol I like that it's like a smoother evisceration

[hot zephyr]

Yes, above 97% peril it goes back to your stam bar, so if you're a high peril / float peril build that takes advantage of warp rider you generally want a stam curio incase you overflow on peril block

[hidden crystal]

At some point I tested my build (which has KD, +3 Stamina and Deflector, but no extra block efficiency) against ragers in the psykanium.

A single rager can literally never break your block. Up to three can be kept at bay endlessly by staggering them for long enough to vent some peril every now and again.

[haughty star]

It's non ironically hilarious

Also deflectors block boost doesn't apply to melee

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, deflector's % boost to block eff is ranged only

[upper sun]

also doesnt apply to snipers which i found out the hard way

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, but it's still really useful anyway for instant cover wherever you happen to be at that point in time.

[queen fog]

Funfact even ogryn shield can get ur friends hurt via sniper pierce, it only gets stopped on special use

[hot zephyr]

Snipers just hit really really hard, so that would be pretty tough to measure/confirm.

[haughty star]

Yeah no I agree

[haughty star]

They don't raise peril or break the block or anything it just phases through em

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, the transparency of the mechanics in this game are not good.

"Blocks ranged attacks"
"Oh cool. Snipers are ranged attacks, right?"

One massive chest wound later...

[haughty star]

I had one Match where it was blocking sniper shots but I've only had this happen once so

Trusted it in another match and a sniper ggez'd me

[hot zephyr]

That's not my experience, but I also haven't run a force sword since like patch #2 so my knowledge is prolly irrelevant there

[hidden crystal]

Which is confusing because Ogryn shields do block snipers (or so I'm told), so hooray for consistency.

[haughty star]

They do lol

[queen fog]

It’ll block it fully IF u special block

[haughty star]

And pox blasts?

[queen fog]

Regular block still goes through u, won’t hurt u but anyone behind u will get sniped

[haughty star]

This is amazing

A how to grief team-mate guide should be made

[hot zephyr]

I mean, the sniper is supposed to be essentially a minor version of a chaos-tainted vindicare assassin, so yeah that round is going to HURT

There's a reason there's a giant laserbeam on it that's the brightness of a las vegas strip billboard screaming YOURE ABOUT TO GET SHOT BRAH

[haughty star]

Sometimes you just catch the clap lol

[hot zephyr]

There's little reason to ever get hit by a sniper unless you get CCed into it

Mutant toss, trapper, etc

[haughty star]

It usually happens to me when I get trapped

[hidden crystal]

The slight headache I have is that there's no standard tagging for "can someone please deal with those shooters before my block runs out? I haven't got anywhere good to retreat to."

[haughty star]

Never fails there's always one of the other disabled waiting to skullfu#$ you after a muted trapper shoots you from behind

[hot zephyr]

What do you normally run on your psyker that you have no answer for gunners?

[tacit stump]

what do you think about dagger on psyker

[hot zephyr]

S-tier weapon. Mark 6 Combat Blade is amazing

[tacit stump]

mark 3?

[haughty star]

I usually just LMB spam the fuck out of everything that my tesla coil or ticklefingers can't reach

[hot zephyr]

Mark 3 kinda bad, doesn't have the options the mark 6 has with the heavy sweep attack

[haughty star]

Actually non ironically lmb spam on staves is fucking amazing for dropping snipers

[hot zephyr]

You can still make a mark 3 work, but it's better to just get yourself a decent mark 6 than struggle

[marble crater]

Wait, am I supposed to run a +3 stamina curio?

[tacit stump]

with force or duelist i would use one in your place

[upper sun]

no you need 3 +3 stamina curios with sprint efficiency stamina regen and just more stamina

[tacit stump]

i rather want more shield so i have two thoughness

[upper sun]

nah you just need to run to the end point asap

[flint plover]

what blessings would I run? Uncanny and ruthless backstab?

im assuming no bleed

[tacit stump]

crit bleed?

and uncanny >ruthless

[hot zephyr]

I run Uncanny + Flesh Tearer

[flint plover]

Hmm. Bleed damage is so small and we don't have any synergy with it

[ionic sorrel]

Don't forget to pack your knife.

[hot zephyr]

For refence, here's the mark 6 I regularly use in auric dams these days:

[hearty oak]

Thoughts?

[stone canyon]

Uncanny+Precog is the Zealot meta, but Zealots get lot of "evade to get X" anyway and are in melee range doing it

[hidden crystal]

The usual variant of this problem is when I'm under heavy fire with melee threats close by. I can't lower my block to deal with the melee because I'll get shredded by the shooters, and I can't swap to ranged to deal with the shooters because I'll get smacked by the melee.

Usually I'd retreat to somewhere that's in cover from the shooters, chop up the melee and then deal with the shooters from there, but sometimes I'm out in the open and retreating to anywhere with good cover either isn't an option or would isolate me.

My standard marksman gunpsyker build has a Vraks VII with Ghost/Between the Eyes, so when I can get into a rhythm I'm basically invulnerable to ranged enemies (to the point that I know that while Deflector doesn't work against snipers, Ghost does), but I can't get into that rhythm while I'm being smacked in the head with an axe.

[stone canyon]

Evade Slides if there is room is one answer to such situations

Shooters wont hit you

[potent echo]

While holding a gun you tend to get greedy and try to prioritize ranged targets

But just deal with melee ones first if your team isn't helping

Or having a quickswap instant point and kill gun is great, like a revolver

[hot zephyr]

This sounds like it might be you wading into the front-lines and not letting the zealot/ogryn lead. With a mark7 vraks setup you should be able to demolish gunners assuming you aren't bogged down like you are stating here. Can you show your weapons/curios and talent build? Maybe there's some help there we can provide

[stone canyon]

Evade slides were too akward for me to do until i switched my keymapping to Shift being sprint/evade and Alt to crouch, now got pinky and thumb ready on both all times

Can evade slide for days

[potent echo]

People tend to overfocus the front, then try to fallback when they realised they overextended, only to be hamburgered by 6 maulers from the back

Unless you have vent it's pretty much gg

[stone canyon]

Monstrosities became easy, can just evade slide backwards and unload whatever weapon you have at em at sametime

[potent echo]

Monsters are easy if you have unlimited space

But sometimes you dont

And your team isn't killing the 4 bombers coating the ground with fire

[queen fog]

https://tenor.com/view/bruce-banner-big-monster-thor-ragnarok-hulk-gif-11571578

Big hp bar!

[potent echo]

You have to get used to dodge dancing each boss if you want to carry your team

[rare arrow]

You didn’t have shift to sprint before?

[stone canyon]

I did, but now i have also evade in it, so W is sprint, ASD is evades

[potent echo]

Yea my shift is evade/sprint was well, works great

[stone canyon]

In the two days now getting used to it, evaded twice down a cliff so far, and keep crouching awful lot with Alt having it (used to be evade), but otherwise good 😄

[hidden crystal]

Well, for the most part I'm using my Illisi and generally think of it as a melee-first build. (Partly because this reduces how much people whine about a psyker using ammo, which is of course exactly what any other class here in my place would be doing, but whatever).

So I am often close in to the enemy, but I'm also aware that I'm quite squishy, and have two Toughness Regeneration perks on my curios that won't work if I get isolated, so I try to avoid being anywhere on my own.

In theory I'd have more toughness regen if I were running a staff build (given most of Psyker's regen talents relate to either Peril or Warp Kills), but I don't think the Vraks VII is an unreasonable build, particularly as I have got reasonable aim.

[hot zephyr]

I personally like the Mark 7 HHIAG. I'm curious as to your build now tho on various items. It feels like you maybe need to do what I am doing and stack a bit more health/toughness rather than banking on regen tho

Just for example, this is my gunker build: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b1bcfeb-c53e-438a-9226-d42b6540ace0/psychotic-gunker-sail-gaze-ep

You'll see that I specifically take extra +15 toughness nodes, and perfer +% health/toughness perks on curios as it gives me some bulk, allowing me some more freedom to roam a bit and not depending on coherency based regen to keep my toughness up

[hidden crystal]

Is this accessible?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/98e4d9d1-4353-4c1e-8ccd-3507a345a1f2/karina-the-gunpsyker

[hot zephyr]

Yup, opened for me

Yeah, ok. I see the problem now. You're lacking the critical hit chance based regen that Mettle provides, and without Surgical on your Mark 7 you wouldn't be able to proc Mettle as often as you need to because it'll only be every 5th shot with True aim, and that's a lot of aim-time with a semi

You probably are struggling to proc Empathic Evasion because it's also crit-based, meaning you are reliant on Ghost to fill that role

[hidden crystal]

Empathic Evasion was a bit of a wildcard pick - but because True Aim is usually built up by the Illisi just hitting a lot of heads in melee, if I need to switch to ranged, then as long as that first shot hits at all, it provides me much of the benefits that proccing Ghost would give me.

So I can generally afford to rush that first shot a bit more, and then have that window to actually start aiming properly and proccing Ghost.

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, but it'll only last 1 second. Where when I mag dump my columnus, I have a natural 17% crit chance + 20% if I put Scrier's Gaze up + True Aim on every 5th weakspot, meaning I can chain-proc EE and be "dodging" that entire time vs ranged

If you had Surgical on your Mark 7, if you were even 1 second between shots, that would add 25-40% crit chance to your shots, giving you a MUCH higher change of proccing EE and buying yourself immunity while you aim the next one

(Just to be clear, I'm not trying to talk down or anything, just explaining what I see that might be the cause of your fustration)

[quasi junco]

lol someone ran up on the DH aggroed it and said, sorry no audio

why even play

[marble crater]

For the challenge

[quasi junco]

ill play next game no monitor/visual

[marble crater]

I heard you can do that if you use the Rashad

[quasi junco]

with brutal momentum, this is true

[hot zephyr]

@hidden crystal If you are willing to switch up your talent build, I think you could get some pretty serious milage out of something like this:
I retained BR if that if your preferred blitz to run (and given your Illisi it makes sense). The SG talents will help improve your critical chance and will even improve your illisi's finnese stats for chopping up hordes.

I realize losing vent could be a bit of an adjustment for you, but learning to manage peril without it can make you very powerful

[hidden crystal]

Oh, I'm fairly good at dealing with ranged enemies if I'm not in the middle of a load of melee enemies at the same time, but I tend to think of the build as leaning towards melee, so the problem is that I often am dealing with melee enemies when a load of shooters turn up and start shooting me.

As far as the balance of this build, I'd say that on average, the scoreboard tends to list my kills ratio as about 2:1 melee:ranged.

But that does vary a lot with team make-up and style; I've tried to make this build reasonably able to to fit whatever hole the team needs - so sometimes I do get more ranged kills than melee if the team's already got really solid horde clear but no long range. Alternatively, if I'm on a team with three veterans who are all hanging back to shoot, at that point I play that way rather than charging in alone. (Also, at that point, it's likely that one of them's got Scavenger and I can be more generous with ammo if I hang around them).

[spring terrace]

i think this could be a slightly better version of what you are offering

[hot zephyr]

One thing that's under appriciated with scriers is it's ability to improve melee damage. The damage and finesse damage can make an illisi, combat knife, or other finnesse weapons really crazy

[spring terrace]

one with the warp and endurance stacl together and since you are constantly building peril you will have max toughness damage reduction

also CDR is a must since you want scriers up as much as possible

[hidden crystal]

Whenever I've tried to move away from Vent, it's less about the peril management (which isn't a huge deal when I've got Brain Rupture that's often empowered, and only really an Illisi and Deflector charging it up), and more the number of times I try to use it to launch hounds off someone who's been pounced.

"Don't worry, I'll save you... oh wait."

[hot zephyr]

That doesn't make sense as you'd be triggering your faster BR when you activate scriers gaze, and you are removing his critical chance aura which he needs to help trigger the regen from mettle. BRing during Gaze would be a terrible anti-combo.

CDR also doesn't work properly on scriers, because it can't be affected by CDR while active, only after it's effect ends and it's on cooldown. So you are trading 5% crit which procs the rest of the build's key abilities for 3s off the 30s cooldown of scriers and some extra TDR that isn't necessary if he's critting and proccing mettle/EE.

[potent echo]

That's like a hard mode build

BR and EP with gaze

[spring terrace]

5% crit chance is nothing vs 10% coold down team wide

also BR is for sniping between scriers activation

[potent echo]

Why not take assail

[hot zephyr]

Ok, well you are entitled to your opinion. I respect that.

[potent echo]

You get malefic momentum that way and that's alot of fun

[spring terrace]

assail builds to.much peril your better off taking smite with scriers if your going gun build.

smite with no boosts

[potent echo]

Isn't building peril a good thing

Max warp rider

[spring terrace]

you want to still have time to build up stackz in scryers

[potent echo]

Also EP with assail is really really braindead

[spring terrace]

its a balancing act

[hot zephyr]

If you scroll up to my build, it runs assail, but since he's running a Mark7 HHIAG and an Illisi he doesn't need assail's horde clear, and his special illisi cleaves won't trigger MM's setup

[potent echo]

Is balancing SG stacks worth it though

You get like 10% extra damage for 10 seconds

Assail isn't really horde clear but just general shooter removal

With EP it's anything removal

[spring terrace]

you get like min 13 stacks with base peril build while using a gun

scriers is really good with guns, void, purge and maybe surge

[potent echo]

Malefic momentum gives 20% just for playing the game

Also true aim is really really good

[hot zephyr]

We don't need this to devolve into an assail vs BR argument guys. Let the guy play how he wants to play. I offered him a suggestion not a demand and he can make his own decision.

[dim parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-wizard-money-gang-gif-18178013888257763473

[potent echo]

I'm asking if there was some hidden sauce to the build

[hot zephyr]

Back to this, I usually find it easier to just kill the dog that's got someone pinned rather than shriek it off, because when you kick it off it usually just pounces again immediately, and it becomes a CC problem that snowballs situations out of control. Even if it takes you a couple extra seconds to kill the dog, it's worth it because it means no one else will be CCed

[crimson gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-hader-watching-eating-popcorn-oh-yeah-watchin-gif-15104515578762580154

[untold niche]

SHADOW MONEY WIZARD GANG

[potent echo]

Vent can go through walls though

[dim parrot]

WE LOVE CASTING SPELLS

[hot zephyr]

It's not really any hidden sauce. Marco showed his build, he runs weapons that compliment that blitz choice well, and he's happy with them, so rather than tell him to go reroll some other meta-pick weapon I built around his preferences and explained why I made those changes

[untold niche]

SPONSORRED BAI THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT

[dim parrot]

LEGALIZE NUCLEAR BOMBS

[untold niche]

EEE ORRH EEE ORH

[hot zephyr]

So.... legalize surge + nexus void staff?

Cus that's a mininuke

[potent echo]

Legalize surge on surge staves

[dim parrot]

legalize cheese

[untold niche]

dude i remember at level 30 thinking "ah shit could have named my psyker that"

instead of something genuinely mid like fortune-seller

[dim parrot]

make spells not war?

[untold niche]

not cringe, not cool, not funny, not lame. Just mid/

[untold niche]

wanted to put shadow money wizard

[dim parrot]

just make a new psyker

[untold niche]

no u crasi

[dim parrot]

yes of course

[hot zephyr]

He's crazy enough to pretend to be a noob by putting a leaf emote in his name

Sooooo

Seems par for the course. reroll cus funny names

[untold niche]

its verry obviously different from the new player one tho

[dim parrot]

I just like leaves

[untold niche]

i knew it dood

leaves come from plant

where can you find plant?

farm.

who goes to farm?

farmer

you are another farmer just like me

But you are probably moderately skilled instead of just averagely skilled

[hot zephyr]

I plant my plasteel seeds then fertilize them the way nurgle approves of.

[quasi junco]

is Illisi the best 'defensive' melee option for psyker?

[queen fog]

I use fencing sword cuz dodge regen goes crazy but that sword works too

[quasi junco]

i might try DS4

[hot zephyr]

If it's not, it's top 2/3 for sure.

[spring terrace]

force swords are the best defensive swords

[midnight jolt]

Sometimes I wonder if I should actively try to look for better weapons and feel always the plasteel starvation or just play the game:

[prime elk]

DS4 if you're running shield, otherwise, illisi with deflector

[midnight jolt]

Deflector is not needed IMHO, there is so much defense on Illisi already, and you probably have some gunners resistance,
if you find yourself blocking projectiles it probably means your positioning needs work

I don't think is useless at all, but I feel is very situational

[prime elk]

not needed, but nice to have

he just asked for the best defensive swords after all

[midnight jolt]

I see, but I'm divided, I said that then went and read its description and my curios have +12% block efficiency so maybe I should use something else and have that blessing instead

30% block efficiency for the melee likes can be extremely good

[hot zephyr]

I agree it's situation/personal-choice to take deflector. If you prefer to have shriek or gaze over shield but want an anti-ranged piece in your build, it's basically gunner resist or deflector or live with eating bullets sometimes.

[midnight jolt]

may even give it a try

I tend to melee a lot and I block and dodge equally

maybe I should replace my slaughterer 3 by deflector 4 which I have it

[spring terrace]

i never leave home without deflector

that talent has saved my bacon more times then i can count

unless im playingbubble psyker

then i dont take deflector

[hot zephyr]

I mean, seems like you can just switch it back if you don't like it

[midnight jolt]

true

[hot zephyr]

It's a double-flex-blessing illisi

[midnight jolt]

Too much flex? advice?

[hot zephyr]

I'd get some +5% health and +5% toughness in there perhaps. If you put 2 or 3 health or toughness perks across your set of three it's like having a 4th curio of that type

[hearty oak]

Finally have a trauma staff worth a damn

[hot zephyr]

In particular here, since you already run health/tough/tough, I'd say add 5% health on each of them

You have a LOT of block eff and gunner resist already, so maybe a bit of that could go.

[midnight jolt]

it is going to be a fun weekend, gonna try more damnation, which I don't do from Mon to Thu

[quasi junco]

illisi has yet to dissappoint, I'll stick with it

[quasi junco]

why lol, you can do auric damnation anytime

[midnight jolt]

I used DS4 for the last 10 days (out of my 20 days of DT gaming), it is fun, it is good but Illisi wins in the long run

[prime elk]

Yeah it’s a good one

[quasi junco]

I'm also digging surge/creeping flames build, the damage really stacks up

[midnight jolt]

I can but I still feel I'm not that ready yet, for what I have seen on heresy, skill wise people all over the place I'm too afraid to disappoint, I can barely hold my own weight

[hot zephyr]

Auric isn't actually harder than damnation. You just always gets a special condition. There's no difficulty increase between regular damns with conditon and auric damns with condition except that it prevents non-30s from joining

[spice veldt]

patch 13 added a hidden difference between auric and normal board missions

auric basically has a shorter interval between spawns, as far as I understand it

[hot zephyr]

I think that's just Hi Intensity modifier in general tho

[spice veldt]

no, it's different

it's a "+50% tension modifier" which has been explained to me as just faster spawns

[hot zephyr]

Hm, I'm curious then. THe only times I've felt any difference between damn + condition and auric damn + condition is when it's high intensity shock troop gauntlet. HISTG Auric is wild

Lights Out + Snipers + Vent Purge is basically jump scare simulator too, that can be rough

[hidden crystal]

If I can kill it straight away, absolutely.

But I've had a lot of cases where it's behind other enemies, a wall or an oblivious teammate, and at that point Shriek is something I can do immediately that gives the pinned player an opening to get up and try to kill the hound - and that's just more fun for them as a player than being gnashing teeth and being repeatedly kicked in the guts by a horde.

When a revive/rescue isn't obviously high-risk, I usually try to prioritise it just for the sake of being sporting.

I probably do need to experiment with build more, but I had a playstyle I was fairly happy with pre-class overhaul, and I don't want to entirely lose that.

[hearty oak]

If i am using a blazing trauma, is wildfire actually worth considering? Or is it still a a meme

[hidden crystal]

Just has a bit of a headache that whenever I switch class or try changing my build around, I keep pressing buttons expecting them to do X, and then suddenly they do Y.

Number of times I forgot when I went back to play vet for a bit that I can't shove maulers over for the lols.

[hot zephyr]

Fair. I'm glad you know how you enjoy playing. In this chat we often get so many responses to play style questions that are like "just get this weapon and use it instead that'll solve your problem" and it puts you on the loot treadmill.

Trying to avoid that and give you an option to just make what you're already doing function a bit stronger / more efficiently

[hidden crystal]

Actually, one thing I should try is the Kantrael Heavy Laspistol.

It took me ages to get hold of one I liked, but I think the laspistols are quicker draw than the HH autoguns, and that might be helpful.

But yeah, it took me flaming ages to get one that wasn't arse.

[hot zephyr]

Yeah I still haven't got a good pistol. I haven't bothered forcing it because I enjoy my current build a lot. I do want to try revolver at some point tho

[haughty star]

I haven't tried yet but seems like it would be up my ally for play style

[tight thorn]

Yeah but could be millions more dockets till the next 380

[north cradle]

Check out what I got from Melk (right) 🤩

[hidden crystal]

Here we are. It's slightly disappointing stats, but it's at least over 70% in the ones I most care about, it's got the Blessings I'm used to at an acceptable level and I've got complete freedom to muck around with the perks:

[hot zephyr]

It's above 350 and no dump stat. It's plenty solid.

[midnight jolt]

How do you stun the mutants with the illisi?

asking as an ex DS4 user

[hot zephyr]

Chasing perfect gear is a common mistake in this game. It's all a case of good enough so you can be patient until you find a god roll weapon instead of trying to farm millions of dockets and thousands of plasteel to get a perfect item

[midnight jolt]

yeah, I'm going to stop doing that, but plasteel/diamantine stuff needs some work

[north cradle]

I just swing an activated heavy twice and they're dead

[midnight jolt]

yeah, but you don't have the ability to stagger them like with DS4 right?

[hidden crystal]

The main disappointment is the several better ones that Hadron ruined with things like +Stamina, +Carapace or Raking Fire. The number of times I actually have a good opportunity to shoot an enemy in the back is utterly negligible, and usually means I'm out of position.

[orchid shadow]

Stun with an illisi? You don't. Charge up the sword ahead of time, and Heavy swipe on the drive-by, and then finish off with a second hit, either charged or regular depend on it's health

Illisi Heavies are horizontal, so it makes getting the head on a drive by easier.

[hidden crystal]

I had a large heap of cash to throw at Brunt, and there were a few 360s and 370s in the right stats, but they all went into the trash because they were unrecoverable.

Kind of a shame you can't desecrate a weapon by throwing it into a heap of poxburster goo or something so you can try again.

[orchid shadow]

I tend to keep even the bricked ones, on the off-chance that maaaaybe Fatshark will have a mechanic in the future to unlock stuff on gear.

[hidden crystal]

I used to do that, but I now figure that if they ever do that it's likely to be part of a big overhaul that would make it significantly less frustrating to get replacements for them.

[hidden crystal]

Also, while I'm digging out old videos, one where I decided to test just how quickly you actually can draw the revolvers: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1146960964147757219/2023-09-01_01-04-57.mp4

[midnight jolt]

I hate the current system, trying to refine curios, out of plasteel, change that shit 😦

[hidden crystal]

I'm surprised they've not implemented some kind of diamantine to plasteel exchange.

Right now, Diamantine is essentially worthless past very low levels. It's a restriction at Sedition (where, unless they've changed it, I believe you get none) and Uprising (where you get very little), but after that, it's never what you run out of first, and no crafting uses it in the right ratio to make it relevant.

I'll often not pick it up in missions if it's more than slightly out of my way, and when I do bother it's mostly out of hope that maybe they eventually make it useful.

[quartz barn]

I think im at 12k dia, but have no plasteel

[haughty star]

Yall let's be real

If they do give us material exchange that plasteel gon be gone in less than a hour

[hidden crystal]

I think I'm currently at about 12k Plasteel and 19k Diamantine, but I've not found anything worth trying to upgrade in a while, so that's more plasteel than I often have around.

At Malice I was finding the plasteel ran out first. At Damnation, it depends whether I'm prepared to use Brunt or not.

If I use Brunt, the dockets run out first. If I don't, then nothing runs out because there's usually only a very few things in the store worth buying.

[radiant frigate]

think I'm sitting at 20k diamantine

petition to allow us to unlock weapons by spending 1k diamantine or something

make things a little less asinine

[orchid shadow]

I'm at almost 300k Plasteel. I saw a screenshot of someone with over 600k. How the hell? I basically play one character, one build and have barely had to upgrade items for 9 months. How do they have that much?

[radiant frigate]

i have zero plasteel

[zinc phoenix]

I blame the hacker known as anonnymoose

[radiant frigate]

a question to all the deimos/ds4 enjoyers out there

is it your plan A or your plan B

[zinc phoenix]

It’s my mutie spanker

[sinful peak]

too bad hadron's gonna brick it

[shrewd quarry]

What weapon should I use to be a decent monster killer with psyker?

[hot zephyr]

Worth the roll attempts that's for sure

Pray really hard after sacrificing the correct number of heretics

[radiant frigate]

explode head

[sinful peak]

welp

[midnight jolt]

yeap

[hot zephyr]

BR+EP, Columnus Autogun, DS4, Combat Knife M6, Deimos Sword are all excellent anti-boss platforms

[shrewd quarry]

Oki ty

[bright yoke]

thoughts?

[midnight jolt]

workable, very

what do I salvage here? just cause is either that or sell, when rewards suck this bad 😦

Lacerate I guess ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hot zephyr]

Give to Hadron and recover lacerate from it. It's bricked

[hot zephyr]

Solid enough to try your luck at hadron

[midnight jolt]

This was an experiment but I wasn't impressed with knives:

[hot zephyr]

That's excellent. Are you spamming push attack?

[plucky flax]

That's cause you don't have bleed.

[hot zephyr]

Riposte is fun. Don't troll the newbies

[midnight jolt]

Spices have been added to chat 😂

Don't worry, I know his tendencies

[plucky flax]

I'm not trolling but okay.

I run bleed on all me knives.

[hot zephyr]

Yes I do too but he can't put bleeds on that one and riposte is fine

[radiant frigate]

i run away from all my knives

[plucky flax]

Riposte fleshtearer would not be bad.

More crit more bleed.

[midnight jolt]

is a reserve knife, in the future it shall be summoned

because is perfect (stats wise) for Psykers, mobility is not even needed

[radiant frigate]

is it even a good idea to use a knife for damage

[hot zephyr]

It's honestly very good. Aside from the mobility it's better than my best mark 6 I use in aurics

[radiant frigate]

every time i've seen it, it has certainly... existed

extremely whelming

[plucky flax]

It won't horde clear as well as other melee options but it has extremely huge single target dps.

[hot zephyr]

If you stack up uncanny the heavy sweeps horde clear at an acceptable rate

[midnight jolt]

is fun, but is tricky, but you feel like you walk in fast forward, you are so fast with it 😂

I won't say knives blah blah, but I feel like you should try every weapon just for knowledge

I have used Deimos, Illisi, DS4 and Knives, will wait for a tactical axe

[hot zephyr]

Yes, I regularly murder bosses and ogryn chassis enemies with mine. It's crazy good with unyielding on it for juicy juicy crits

[radiant frigate]

what about literally anything else

[midnight jolt]

Left click gym (with occasionally headshot heavy)

[radiant frigate]

knife definitely has the funny side effect of making you go zippy

[hot zephyr]

Works fine against lesser elites and the heavy attacks sweep hordes fine. But I take it for boss damage cus I run assail and Columnus with it

[hot zephyr]

No spam push attack or push them use a heavy sweep. You hardly ever really want to use LMB

Only time to use LMB is when you are safe and want to stack bleed on a boss

[midnight jolt]

I used it wrong, will revisit

[plucky flax]

On zealot knife is cracked.

[midnight jolt]

Should I change flak for more crit chance?

Let me not lose focus, I need to master Illisi 1st, which is on the easier side

[radiant frigate]

yeah but then i'm playing zealot

[tight thorn]

The 373 one is probably better right?

[untold spindle]

probably

you can just switch to your ability for quelling anyways

[tight thorn]

The RNG gods have blessed me with good blessings

[queen fog]

Ooo fancy

[dawn spoke]

quell speed and warp res on purg are not needed at all

grats on the god roll staff

[tight thorn]

Damn so it's near perfect 🙌

[dawn spoke]

it's as perfect as you're ever going to realistically get

[tight thorn]

Thanks Ill make sure to die on maelstrom and blame my zealot with it

[dawn spoke]

lol

[tight thorn]

Yeah true could spend another million credits just trying to get a 380 again

[dawn spoke]

a 380 with 75% burn 😈

[tight thorn]

Yeah but I gotta get a god roll melee weapon now so

I'll call it a day with the staff

[fresh halo]

Siblings, which would be considered the best Duelling sword ?

[devout robin]

mk iv

good swings, nuclear damage on the heavy attacks

[queen fog]

Big stabs are good, I sadly can’t remember which mk I’m rocking so I’ll probs say either 2 or 3

[lyric burrow]

4 is the best

[queen fog]

All marks are cool mobility wise, can regen ur dodges mad fast

[lyric burrow]

Has the highest damage on heavies as well as being able to chain them

Wheras as mk2 goes into a side swing on heavy 2 and h1 is less damage anyway

[rare arrow]

DS4 by a large margin

[lyric burrow]

And mk5 just has less damage as well

[tight thorn]

I like the repeated stab heavy of the MK4 but you should try them all out

[fresh halo]

I see

[tight thorn]

and see what u like

[fresh halo]

Thank you, Siblings !

[queen fog]

Poke many of faces sibling, they don’t need them anyway

[zinc phoenix]

Ds4 has best damage but others have things they offer too

I kinda prefer the 2 personally

[stone canyon]

For Distrupt Destiny on Voidstrike, should i go for 30 stacks or 30s duration?

[ornate hearth]

I'm rarely able to get 15+ stacks due to ability targeting inconsistencies. The 30 second duration is much better IMO.

[stone canyon]

Thinking ill have to replace that Warp Flurry IV with Nexus II 🤷‍♂️

Had III, will have to do, gotta look for better stat one though in future

I kept blowing myself up with that faster chain rate and lack of Shriek, so now switched Shield to Shriek and Flurry to Nexus, maybe this time around ill learn to like Voidstrike

[prime elk]

i don't think nexus is worth it if you're running surge

flurry mandatory imo

[misty hinge]

double it and give it to the next person

[radiant sleet]

For me depends what your blitz is, if you run assail you def want nexus over flurry, to deal with crushers and mailers that assail cant handle

Mailers *

F I hate this phone. Yall know what I mean

[quasi junco]

nexus/surge is best for a true aim critstrike build

I almost never fully charge my shots unless its a mauler/crusher

and end up taking first in # of kills easily

[prime elk]

you can proc true aim faster with warp flurry anyway

and flurry better when dealing with stuff like specialists

[tulip kettle]

you want nexus for lmb spam

[prime elk]

well if that's the goal, then sure

[tulip kettle]

nexus surge and + carapace also lets you 1 shot crushers

obv you can without nexus but its more reliable

i have these 2, the left is for LMB spam with charged shots for crushers / maulers to 1 shot them using true aim. The right is for chaining unlimited charged shots

i actually prefer the right one because its more consistent dps with no downtime

but the left one has much higher total dps

and the ability to 1 shot anything that isnt as monstrosity

[torpid girder]

For a fire trauma staff, is warp nexus important? I'm a little confused cuz it says damage is a dump stat but doesn't warp nexus just increase damage

[wind spruce]

I genuinely don't understand the obsession with one shotting crushers

[smoky mulch]

"warp attack kill" for soul stealer; is that ANY weapon that generates warp? like a staff kill or a charged ilisi kill? or is it just blitz kills?

[wind spruce]

Like, why? Who cares? It's not an important part of the gameplay loop

[wind spruce]

Any staff attack, charged force sword, warpfire tick or blitz

[tulip kettle]

no, like i said, its just a sifferent part of the build sort of thing

[smoky mulch]

roger, thank you

[tulip kettle]

youre mainly spamming lmb, but if you fully charge and crit it will one shot the crushers, its a nice to have.

[wind spruce]

I'm not trying to have a go, I just don't get why you wouldn't chuck something else on that's actually useful against more than literally 1 enemy

[tulip kettle]

what do you mean?

surge is useful all the time

when youre spamming into hordes you just shoot twice for 0 peril cost

[wind spruce]

I'm talking about carapace damage

[tulip kettle]

oh i see

well, it kills everything else anyway

maulers and crushers take a good few shots if you dont do a fully charged crit with + cara

[wind spruce]

Maulers are flak.

Even with headshots from void

[torpid girder]

are either of these salvageable for a fire trauma staff?

[tulip kettle]

maulers are carapace in the head no?

[torpid girder]

I'm pretty sure maulers are cara in the head yea

[wind spruce]

Not for void RMB

[torpid girder]

ooh that's interesting

[tulip kettle]

so i can put flak on and not change the ttk on anything, or put carapace and change the ttk on crushers

[torpid girder]

Are either of those staves salvageable btw?

[tulip kettle]

on the left one that is

[torpid girder]

neither have good perks

[tulip kettle]

i dont think so

[spice veldt]

it counts as carapace to the voidstrike's RMB

the flak that you see is because of the explosion

[tulip kettle]

for blazing spirit

[tulip kettle]

this is what i thought

adding + cara increased the damage

[spice veldt]

it's an issue with the plasmagun as well

[tulip kettle]

but it does say + flak

[torpid girder]

i guess i'll switch to another character to farm resources again lol

[spice veldt]

where weakspot hits also show up as white because of the explosion happening later and overriding what the damage is showing

[tulip kettle]

i think just grab the blessings you want

[tulip kettle]

i did wonder why it never showed weakspot hits properly

[torpid girder]

What's the highest tier of blazing spirit? 3 or 4?

[tulip kettle]

3 i found out today

[spice veldt]

yeah it took us a while to reason out why it was happening for those two particular weapons

[wind spruce]

Ah my bad

Thanks arco

[spice veldt]

next on the saga of not trusting anything in the game, not even the healthbars

[tulip kettle]

this is the best blazing spirit i have made, it has all 4 correct things but the radius is as low as i would accept

blazing spirit doesnt really work without these exact blessings and perks, so im told

though obv nexus 4 would give me 2% more crit chance

[wind spruce]

The 5% crit perk is less relevant than people think, tbh

[ebon pawn]

man why did hadron had to give this to me.... ON MY PSYKER

[tulip kettle]

idk i think you need every % of crit chance you can to make it feel good

[wind spruce]

It's the difference between 37.5% and 32.5% with full warp nexus

[tulip kettle]

on my limited runs of using that trauma all day

[wind spruce]

I've run it back a couple of hundred times and it feels about the same with or without

[tulip kettle]

right, but then you also have crit chance from your tree

so if you can try to push it up to 50% crit rate or above

[wind spruce]

No I'm including that

[tulip kettle]

im sure it starts to feel really good

[wind spruce]

The max you can get is 37.5 % or 42.5% with prescience

[tulip kettle]

idk maybe theres something wrong with my staff or the way im using it

but ity doesnt seem to make nearly as much fire as i expected

i get good dmg figures, but nothing crazy

[wind spruce]

That's because it's less than 50% chance to proc

So you often get 4 or 5 strings of no crit

[tulip kettle]

whats ther mechanic for charged shots

say i hit 20 dudes with a fully charged blast

is it rolling for crit on each seperately?

[wind spruce]

Nah same roll for all of them

[quasi junco]

most specialists dont require fully charged void shots to kill if you hit weakspot

[wind spruce]

It's hilarious with mettle because every time you crit its basically guaranteed to refill your toughness to full

[tulip kettle]

and whats the interaction with wildfire, with regard to....

if i one shot the pox because the staff crits

wiill the ones that die near the centre spread wildfire

[ebon pawn]

hmm what do you guys think

[tulip kettle]

or do they die before the burn is applied so they dont spread it

i could just go tyest this but its quicker to ask if you know lol

[tulip kettle]

very good

replace groaners with 5% crit chance

[wind spruce]

If you one shot with crit no soul blaze is applied

[tulip kettle]

yeah i suspected

this is why

its probably better to get a low enough dmg roll

[wind spruce]

Which is why the 10% on soulblaze kill is so shit

[ebon pawn]

i use the purgatos on my soulblaze crit build so that sounds like a good idea

[wind spruce]

Because you aren't setting alight anything you oneshot

[tulip kettle]

yeah you just want crits

with purgatus

to build stacks faster

[tulip kettle]

but yeah low dmg roill is actually better then

so you dont 1 shot the trash

?

[wind spruce]

That's a bit of a stretch

Maybe in some side cases

[ebon pawn]

this was my other one. now that im looking at it, it might be better to keep it?

[wind spruce]

But I'd usually just think more kill good.

And damage is useful for one shotting dangerous elites and specials

[tulip kettle]

i think they still die almost immediately

[ornate hamlet]

You typically want more than 76% cloud radius

[tulip kettle]

but spread much more fire with widfire

[tulip kettle]

yeah damage doesnt really matter on purgatus

[quasi junco]

isnt wildfire only good with a trauma blaze build?

[ebon pawn]

how come 76%?

[tulip kettle]

thats what were talking about fraktal

because radius increases range omar

you dont care about dmg

you want max burn and radius

[ebon pawn]

you want more time to let it crit right? so damage is not the important factor

no?

[tulip kettle]

you just want crits because they apply 2 stacks of burn at once

and you want higher burn stat because it applies the stacks more quickly

and you want radius to hit more stuff further away

the damage isnt coming from the damage stat, its coming from the burn DoT at a high stack count

[wind spruce]

Remember wildfire reads "they cannot gain more stacks than the dying enemy had" which to me means if they all have 3 stacks of wildfire no one gains anything on death

[tulip kettle]

yeah it will spread it to the ones that i didnt hit

so like, when you chgarge shot into a group

all the ones that diodnt get hit set on fire as the inner ones die

thats what seems to happen

[wind spruce]

But the ones outside the oneshot radius will gain the warp

Warpfire

[tulip kettle]

yeah

[wind spruce]

Because even if it's crits them for a tickle

They get the debuff

[tulip kettle]

yeah

[wind spruce]

Thats why blazing spirit even works

[ebon pawn]

its just pure carnage is what your saying xD

[wind spruce]

I mean without wildfire

[tulip kettle]

right

so when they die

they spread wildfire outwards

[wind spruce]

So trauma does full damage in the circle

And a tiny bit of damage out of it

[tulip kettle]

ya

i know

[wind spruce]

If you crit and oneshot all the ones inside, but not the ones out. They all gain warpfire

[tulip kettle]

yea

thats what mine at the moment does

and the ones that get knocked away on fire

[wind spruce]

If you didn't oneshot the ones inside, when they die, the ones outside wont gain any extra warpfire from wildfire

[tulip kettle]

when they die

they spread fire to the stuff i didnt hit

[ebon pawn]

thanks for the info, ill try it out :p

[tulip kettle]

but they will

because they will have lost stacks

so i guess if yuou didnt one shot evberything

it would help it stay at 3 stacks

[wind spruce]

Hmm maybe a tiny little bit

[tulip kettle]

but idk why were even talking about this if im honest how did we get here

[wind spruce]

Fun haha

[tulip kettle]

yeah how did we get here though lol

i just listened to that chaos dude for blazing trauma

[wind spruce]

You asked if low damage was better

[tulip kettle]

he seems to know about it

[wind spruce]

Yeah chaos is good

[tulip kettle]

righhht i remember

[wind spruce]

He recommends not dumping damage

[tulip kettle]

sorry omar, 2 convos at once. What you want to be doing is using RMB to charge up the staff, then letting it go on big hordes of enemies. Once you have held the stream on stuff for 3-4 seconds they should be on the max stacks that the staff can apply

the crits have helped you get to this max stack more quickly and reliably. Then you want to use creeping flames shriek to boost the stacks on the horde to above 15 and watch them all burn to death VERY quickly

yes pedants 16*

[ornate hamlet]

Anyone got any tips for Warp Battery? I've been chasing it for a while. Gone full Soul Blaze left side

[tulip kettle]

higher difficulties is easier, beyond that i dont i just got it one game

i think STG will help too

[ornate hamlet]

What's STG?

[tulip kettle]

you can just lag slowly behind the team and space killing the specials

increased specials

[ornate hamlet]

Oh nice, cheers

[tulip kettle]

shock troop gauntlet

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah I think Heresy is the sweet spot. I tried malice so many times but just too few units

[tulip kettle]

so depending on how confident you are, a high intensity shock troop gauntlet on heresy / damnation will give you the best chance

and yeah just tell your team what you are doing, focus on not killing the specials too quickly one after the other

[ornate hamlet]

Cheers, appreciate the advice

[tulip kettle]

i think in heresy you can make builds for brain burst that will one shot every special

[wind spruce]

Check out my video! #Warhammer40kDarktide | Captured by #Outplayed
https://outplayed.tv/media/nnNgjY

@tulip kettle the shotties die from the 3 stacks and then dont spread more

is this what you were theorizing?

[tulip kettle]

they were too far away

but yes

[wind spruce]

they were on top bro

wdy mean too far away

[tulip kettle]

no when they died

the ones that died in the middle on the gorund

are too far away from the rest to spread with wildfire

and the others dont die so wont spread it

[wind spruce]

the second lot dying is irrelevant

[tulip kettle]

i mean for what im talking about that video is irrleveant

but this is such an edge case thing anyway

you need a grouped mixed horde not a line of specials

then when they get thrown about and die like that they will be spreading wildfire

split among as many units as are in range

im not saying this is a thing i was just wondering if it is

[wind spruce]

but the ones they get thrown to

https://outplayed.tv/media/l3oemr

will already have stacks from trauma

thats my point

[tulip kettle]

NOT NECESSARILY

sry caps

it depends where they get thrown to

[wind spruce]

in the edge case of them dying from the three stacks you dont overkill with

they almost definitely will

because something has to be on the very brink of death to die from 3 stacks

[tulip kettle]

well in your video they get thrown quite far then die

if they get thrown into something that isnt on fire already from the trauma

they will spread the stacks

[wind spruce]

they get thrown less far than the radius of the warpfire effect from trauma

as shown

[tulip kettle]

stuff is also running at you and they dont die instantly

[wind spruce]

everything at where they get thrown to has 3 stacks from blazing spirit

[tulip kettle]

nah not necessarily

[wind spruce]

such a high percentage it might aswell be

[tulip kettle]

idk i think its a personal vibes is it worth sort of thing

[wind spruce]

im not saying dont take wildfire

im saying not oneshotting stuff isnt worth doing on purpose

[tulip kettle]

yeah seems right

[vocal cliff]

First columnus on my psyker, I'll take it

[midnight jolt]

with the knife, what are you supposed to spam? the special or just push?

[prime elk]

which knife

mk6?

[plucky flax]

Light and push attack.

[lunar oracle]

does charging the purgatus attack (right click) up to max do more damage/spread more stacks

or doesit just increase the duration of the flame

[strange fox]

Which of these looks better to you guys?

[vapid sand]

top one is chill

[wanton lagoon]

how necesary is kinetic deflection

[rich jolt]

Prefer second

[wind spruce]

not that necessary

[midnight jolt]

yeah

[wind spruce]

What buld though @wanton lagoon

[wanton lagoon]

what about thee 5% crit chance one for a lighting staff build

[wind spruce]

what are you cutting them for

[wanton lagoon]

i wanna see if i can get assail instead

because assail is really good for cc and hounds

[unique haven]

hey guys quick question, whats best blessings for force sword?

[prime elk]

push attack spam for single targets

light-heavy combo for hordes, though the horde clear is just passable

[wind spruce]

why would that change your point investment @wanton lagoon, are you going from a blitz with no extras to both assail extras?

[rich jolt]

Kinetic deflection is great if youre using the bullet blocking blessing on the fswords but its not something id go out of your way to get unless youre using fsword

[quasi junco]

I like deflector for gunner spam

[wanton lagoon]

i was using a surge staff smite with shrieker build

but i honestly never really use smite

[ornate hamlet]

Kinetic deflection is goated and based and I use it on all my builds because of the sheer utility it offers

I don't get out of the house without it

[wanton lagoon]

what is critical perit btw

[ornate hamlet]

Risky revives, boss tanking

[strange fox]

also is it shred or slaughter that was a really good blessing on force sword

[spice veldt]

critical peril should be 90% nowadays

[ornate hamlet]

Critical peril is still 97% I'd think, but maybe they kicked it to 100

[spice veldt]

block hits with kinetic deflection and at whatever peril% it stops working is critical peril

[wind spruce]

just a psa: extra stam will increase the block efficency of kinetic deflection, i know im preaching to the quire for some but its not intuitively obvious

[strange fox]

also what does chained attacks mean ? like rappid succession or like cleaving

[spice veldt]

going the first light to the 2nd light or 2nd heavy to the 3rd light or 3rd heavy and so on

going through the weapon attack chain

[strange fox]

oh so i probably want slaughte then cuz i just mash the light attack and win

[ornate hamlet]

Attacking without getting hit or letting the buff timer run out pretty much

They made chained requirements pretty generous in one of the patches

[strange fox]

cuz Shred seems really good on a scryer psyker cuz not sure i'm confident in procing it

[ornate hamlet]

Previously you couldn't even block or push

[wind spruce]

critical peril is 97% (same as cap at which you can safely start left click brain bursting)
https://outplayed.tv/media/NoXYe0

[spice veldt]

damn

[wind spruce]

riposte is better. 6s uptime. procs on mutie charges, dog leaps, ranged attack

[strange fox]

heh bold of you to assume i dodge lol

Blender psyker go BRR then die to poxburster

cuz game director hates it when i kill everything

[radiant frigate]

should have invested in nanomachines

[ornate hamlet]

Yesterday I was having a match where shit kept getting pounded to the point I'd go entire hordes without riposte

God forbid if I had some dude running smite

[strange fox]

I have smite i never use it tho

[ornate hamlet]

Then I has nothing to dodge and lost 45% crit chance

[strange fox]

honestly psyker blits sorta suck

need a whole rework

[ornate hamlet]

I think uhhhh

Base BB needs to be faster

And assail needs to have a stronger sound effect

[prime elk]

BB could use a buff, others are totally fine

assail is pretty nutty despite multiple nerfs