psyker-class

[plucky flax]

Yes @wind spruce

Damage dump stat tho.

But anyway.

I hide.

[midnight jolt]

isn't it over time?

and spread? and crit add more stacks?

[wind spruce]

You still need to kill stuff without warp fire lol

The crit rate is sub 50%

[plucky flax]

(I don't think any psyker on this game play blaze trauma as much as me.)

[mighty fractal]

Being able to kill elites is still good for Perilous Combustion

[wind spruce]

You don't always have luck, combat ability or procs of perilous combustion

[mighty fractal]

which helps a lot with stacking soulblaze

[wind spruce]

I played it exclusively from true level 250 to 500

[paper loom]

i just did damnation didnt take a single hit of damage until right at the end where a vet shot a pox burster i was pushing

[lethal lagoon]

I'm sure there's some random 1500+ lvl psyker who's been running a blaze trauma since day 1

[olive ember]

Blaze trauma since day 1?

[mighty fractal]

blaze trauma is almost all I play

and rending trauma occasionally

[plucky flax]

I made a lvl 1300+ psyker questioned his life when me and him dps race. He played void I played blaze trauma.

And he was like "Bro wtf this damage"

[olive ember]

How did they like trauma when it had double peril gain and you blew up at 85%

Good times

[midnight jolt]

I need to learn to do that properly

[olive ember]

Oh and you instant blew up

[mighty fractal]

Occasionally I will swap to purg and then wish i was playing blaze trauma

[olive ember]

Can’t forget that

No suicide animation

[lethal lagoon]

Dammint, so you ran into the one guy and he's a void user

[olive ember]

Just instantaneous death

[mighty fractal]

god old trauma was such a pain

[plucky flax]

Nah he is purga main tbf.

[mighty fractal]

hardly anyone played it on release for that reason alone

[plucky flax]

He's also the player with the highest total true level.

[lethal lagoon]

What's the highest true level anyone's seen that's clearly not a discord/meta user?

[wind spruce]

800 or so

[plucky flax]

DotNL has over 4000 levels in total.

[rare arrow]

I think the reason no one played old trauma is because old surge

[plucky flax]

Man is on crack.

[olive ember]

Eh a lot of the top tier players thought old surge was trash

[lethal lagoon]

I saw a 1600 vet who was clearly struggling. I'm just kinda wondering what keeps him going.

[wind spruce]

To be fair I sometimes get on drunk and play like I'm a toddler

[olive ember]

I mean if he’s having fun then it’s fine

[rare arrow]

I feel like at 800 True level you’re just begging for anything new.

[olive ember]

I say that now but I get someone bad in my game I tilt and suddenly it’s not fine

[lethal lagoon]

TBF, me too, but I'm still usually first, just with extra deaths.

[mighty fractal]

I think it was more that good players just thought that old surge was boring as hell

(because it was)

[rare arrow]

What does first mean?

Top damage means little if we had to spatula you up off the ground 7 times

[mighty fractal]

the other benefit of blaze trauma is that if you get a good crit run, the other characters never shut up about how much your psyker is killing

KARK ME

[lethal lagoon]

I didn't say it meant a lot, you are projecting lmao, chill.

[rare arrow]

I was just asking what first meant

[wind spruce]

Oh the irony

[rare arrow]

And if top damage was what you meant

[zinc phoenix]

“stone me look at the witch” on repeat

[mighty fractal]

SPARK'EAD IS ANGRY

[wind spruce]

Honestly, when I run rending trauma I usually have almost as much damage as blaze trauma

Still got PC and CF

[rare arrow]

Never played rending

[mighty fractal]

Rending is pretty fun

[plucky flax]

Don't it's not as good.

[rare arrow]

The first trauma I got was such a strong blaze that I just never put it down

So much fun

[mighty fractal]

it just doesn't turn the entire screen blue

[lethal lagoon]

I mentioned in chat that was I running rending, and a guy watching from death asked me if rending + blaze was good.
That's how much PC was triggering, thought I had a blaze trauma.

[mighty fractal]

and that's why we love soulblaze builds on anything

[paper loom]

Is flak better than carapace on columnus?

[lethal lagoon]

I still don't like rending though, it feels so much weaker.

[mighty fractal]

I actually have a rending/blaze hybrid

[spice veldt]

yeah since you really shouldn't be shooting at crushers except in very very very desperate situations

[plucky flax]

These days I do onlysmite.

It's very based and very good.

[mighty fractal]

it still wrecks entire maps

[plucky flax]

Blaze trauma too hard it hurts me bren.

[rare arrow]

Lol

[plucky flax]

[lethal lagoon]

0 weakspots and 0 crits meta

[wind spruce]

Melee only maelstrom it feels great

[cunning bone]

You should, you should make a stealth vet build 😩

[wind spruce]

Burning down crushers

[rare arrow]

In all fairness, you could sit on smite and clear Damnation

[mighty fractal]

see now

the true sauce

[rare arrow]

You specifically may not be offering much

[wind spruce]

But that's not an argument for it overral

[mighty fractal]

is running double LMB projectile crit trauma

[plucky flax]

Wut you do so much damage and cc with smite.

[mighty fractal]

that's the true build

[plucky flax]

Ask atlas.

[rare arrow]

So many staggers

[lethal lagoon]

You can absolutely do the most damage just spammng smite on aurics.

[mighty fractal]

Smite + True Aim for guaranteed crit then swapping to Trauma is a thing, since Smite builds True Aim crit super quickly

[rare arrow]

Well not without venting shriek

[paper loom]

I gave up smite everyone hates you for using it

[mighty fractal]

it just takes a lot of micromanagement that most people don't want to deal with, especially when they're already playing Trauma

[lethal lagoon]

Look at the weakspots, crits, and ranged damage vs their damage. Though to be fair, this was just a hi-int, I don' t remember if it was on the auric board.

[cunning bone]

I gave up cause i suck with it

[plucky flax]

Same bro.

[lethal lagoon]

I mean yeah, I guess you need venting to extend your smte, but you also aren't forced to literally only use smite in a normal game.

[lethal lagoon]

They fixed that 😦

[rare arrow]

You got there cause of warp fire and venting it looks like right

Without it you didn’t beat them?

[lethal lagoon]

My ranged damage is higher than their damage....

[rare arrow]

I could be reading it wrong

[lethal lagoon]

You can see it in the board

[mighty fractal]

awww

[rare arrow]

What scoreboard add on is yours at the bottom

[lethal lagoon]

To be clear, there was 0 skill involved, other than the shamelessness required to smite literally one pox walker cause no one was ckilling it.

[mighty fractal]

I ran it for a bit a few months ago, was good times

[lethal lagoon]

ovenproof

[mighty fractal]

Yeah I figured it was going to get nerfed/fixed at some point anyway

[rare arrow]

Oh shit

@wind spruce did you test scoreboards or want to tonight

I totally spaced it the other night

[wind spruce]

Oh I ended up doing it in the psykhanium and talking to ovenproof

There's an overkill bug that's occurring, I posted a video the other day

One sec

[plucky flax]

No bro you are very skilled. I could never.

[rare arrow]

DS4/BB/venting/trauma blaze is my current life

[wind spruce]

Check out my video! #Warhammer40kDarktide | Captured by #Outplayed
https://outplayed.tv/media/6051VR

[rare arrow]

Though had some darts fun toast night

[wind spruce]

@rare arrow you can see the overkill on the dreg gunner gets counted in the scoreboard mod but not ovenproofs

[trim arch]

hello my shizos

[rare arrow]

Weird so it added about 500 too much?

[wind spruce]

Exactly. Neither of us have any idea why

[rare arrow]

Cause it should have went 29.9 to 31.3

[wind spruce]

It's not because of the weapon, because of crit and it isn't consistent

Just seems to happen randomly for all I can tell

[rare arrow]

So oven proof is actually more accurate

[wind spruce]

Yeah

[rare arrow]

Crazy

My brains small but I’ll try to download it tonight

[wind spruce]

He's working on a far superior tracker

It's in beta atm

https://github.com/OvenProofMars/Power_DI

[lethal lagoon]

I literaly let the poxwalker chase me around for a bit hoping my team would kill it 😅

[plucky flax]

Pro strat.

[wanton lagoon]

does the surge staff auto target to dameonhost if i shoot something near it

[lethal lagoon]

I don't believe so.

Smite is safe too as long as the initial chain isn't hitting it.

[strange fox]

been trying to get an answer for this but is sustained Fire a good blessing for the Graia and Agri

[lethal lagoon]

Keep in mind a sleeping deamonhost functions slightly different than a partially awake one

[wanton lagoon]

what there are different daemon host versions?

[strange fox]

I have had no issues smacking the DH as the Zealot, and or if an Oggy does it

gotta try it as the Psyker some time

[plucky flax]

I use sustained fire on my autogun.

[strange fox]

honestly zealot with the pulse is busted vs the DH

it's just a perma stun lock for a while

[plucky flax]

Dumdum is the most important blessing. Then the othero ne you have different options.

[torpid girder]

Note to self. can't block crusher overheads even with full stam and kinetic deflection

[strange fox]

DH are fun to bully

[strange fox]

you can with Gold temp Toughness but u need a vet or zealot

[rare arrow]

Looks pretty sweet

[strange fox]

also a side note and this is counter intuitive to your reaction but you kinda want to run towards a crusher, their swings are very slow and telegraphed so you can dodge or circle them

hard to do if their protected by ragers tho

[torpid girder]

Would this be a good build to run with a trauma staff and DS mk4?

[ornate hamlet]

If you're mainly using trauma, you'll get a lot of funnies from it

[torpid girder]

funnies?

[strange fox]

Thinking about it thought the VI force sword is good at hitting weak spots, how often are you actually aiming for weak spots against specials/elites in melee. would unstable power be more reliable ?

and consistant

[spice veldt]

you mean the IV force sword (deimos)?

[strange fox]

yeah

[torpid girder]

nooo it was so close to something beautiful

[strange fox]

sorry power and force sword mixed

[strange fox]

oof wish we could swap Quell speed with blast

[torpid girder]

I'll just cope by saying hadron would have bricked it anyways

[upper sun]

Horus did nothing wrong by nuking half of mars with a virus

[strange fox]

it's a factory world, it's radiated anyway

[strong gulch]

Trauma has so much CC that smite is a wasted point. You're better off putting that point into brain rupture to pick off snipers, squirrely, slowly take out a wall of gunners, or help with boss DPS when DS4 isn't an option.

[upper sun]

the omnissiah is a literal chaos deity I emperor only knows why theyre still allowed to exist

[torpid girder]

other than that, change nothing else about the build?

[strong gulch]

After that swap you'll be good. 👍

[torpid girder]

Oh wait, I want wildfire on a trauma staff build right?

[strong gulch]

On fire trauma specifically. Nexus + blazing spirit.

yes

[mighty fractal]

[torpid girder]

How good are psykers in special hm karnak twins btw?

[strong gulch]

It's not absolutely critical, but it really helps. You could drop soulstealer because you will be getting toughness replenishment from other sources.

Fire trauma builds a lot of peril and should be critting pretty often.

[proven crest]

is Disrupt Destiny super bugged? half the time in my games i kill a blue guy and get no stacks

i'll get the movespeed buff, but no stacks

[strong gulch]

If you specifically are not killing elites and specials because of low enemy density or other people just get to them first, then PC greatly loses value. If that's the case, you could drop that one instead.

But it's free damage and easy to take.

[tulip kettle]

whats probably happening is you are damaging it then somebody else is killing it

[mighty fractal]

Solid. Trauma lets you stagger the elite waves and Void lets you delete entire rager columns that could end the run

[tulip kettle]

so the buff refreshes but you dont gain a stack

[strong gulch]

I've been hearing people have issues; so you're not the only one. There's definitely something up it. Either a bug, something a lot of people aren't noticing, or SOMETHING. idk tho

[mighty fractal]

Smite lets your team hit the twins for free when their shields drop

[proven crest]

i'll see if i can get some footage of it, but i promise you that's not what's happening

[tulip kettle]

i hate DD because its buggy and trolly and poorly thought out

[proven crest]

i'm being very deliberate in killing isolated blue guys, getting the red kill marker, checking to see if i get the temporary speed buff, and also checking if i get stacks

and there will be periods of like minutes at a time when i don't get stacks

[tulip kettle]

you can generally trust my opinions to be wrong tho

[proven crest]

but then at other points i will

[tulip kettle]

this was my experience too dude

[proven crest]

it's super bizarre and super egregious

[tulip kettle]

Im told its a skill issue if not gaining stacks and DD is good actually

[proven crest]

i think that dd is super good, and i like the "hunt the blue guy" minigame a lot, but it's pretty sucky when the ability just seems to turn off for two minutes

it's like, why did i even invest 3 points into this keystone

this guy got footage of it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EnXnF58NaU

this is consistently my experience

kinda wonder if dd isn't working for anyone and just nobody noticed

[lethal lagoon]

I and a few others like wildfire, but the general community consensus is meh.

[lethal lagoon]

I had it happen to me for like 3 games in a row DD would just stop working half the game 🥹

[marble crater]

Wildfire on blaze trauma just makes sense

[tulip kettle]

so all the discussion of blaze trauma has made me want to try it

what blitz do you like to run with it?

assail seems the obvious choice

[lethal lagoon]

If I could chose no blitz I would.

[marble crater]

BB, but you probably won't use it much

[lethal lagoon]

So usually just BB for pysch aura

[tulip kettle]

ahh ok makes sense

works for me i prefer BB out of the blitzes

[lethal lagoon]

Blaze Trauma is point starved, so make it naked BB

[tulip kettle]

and that was my thought on smite and assail, when am i supposed to use it

[lethal lagoon]

You can make an argument for using assail for clearing gunner groups and stuff.

But if I'm blazing, I'm blazing.

[marble crater]

Only time I use BB with trauma is to pick off snipers or run away specials, like someone said earlier

[lethal lagoon]

Wtf is assail doing in my blaze zone

[proven crest]

i think that there's a strong argument for kinetic resonance on bb with how much you can farm cooldown on blaze trauma

[tulip kettle]

but you dont really want to be using BB anyway so who cares

[proven crest]

but i am also a brain burst enjoyer, so i fit it into my rotation a lot

[tulip kettle]

and without EP BB is always underwhelming

[proven crest]

completely legit to never use it

[tulip kettle]

oh BB is my fave but like u say all 3 blitzes seem meh for blaze trauma

i thought assail for killing snipers

i guess BB does the same

[lethal lagoon]

The problem is that flaming shriek is there to enhance the blaze trauma, so often either the flaming shriek or kinetic resonance is wasted based on the timing.

[tulip kettle]

and then i can get wildfire and pskinetic

awesome ty

[proven crest]

when shriek is on a like 13 second cooldown before factoring psykenitic's aura, i don't think it matters, i kinda think you should be shrieking on cooldown anyways

i pop shriek at 0 peril if i see an opportunity to snipe 3-4 high priority targets with bb

by the time you're done, you'll have shriek back

[upper sun]

with that warp resistance one shot and you're in the eye of terror

[lethal lagoon]

I would upgrade that just to ride the dragon.

[marble crater]

[upper sun]

actually lets test this shit

actually its not horrible 🤔

one charged shot is 30 peril one regular is 6%

my normal one is 25 and 4

i mean with warp nexus might not be a bad thing for edgerunning

[proven crest]

extreme warp nexus value

you'll be fucking cliffing

[nimble burrow]

this is actually what brunt's been doing in the back when he spits out these modifiers

touch funny stick brain tickles

[upper sun]

40% dam everything else is 80%
YEAH THIS SHIT IS FIRE DROP IT

[lethal lagoon]

I kinda wanna turn off my autosell cause I'm missing out on godrolls like that.

[tulip kettle]

so i need to cut either empathic or wildfire for the blaze trauma build to get KD. thoughts? i know most people say wildfire is not good, and empathic is always good....

[lethal lagoon]

That's why I don't like using it. I also play super aggressive, always in front.

So maybe not the best judge of KD

[tulip kettle]

i mean ill be running a + 3 stam curio, and tbh looks like i need a new deimos with deflector for this build

[mighty fractal]

https://i.gyazo.com/0fbeae0a62868d222ae48b265be51276.png

I present to you

[lethal lagoon]

The Staff of Patience 🙏 📿

[mighty fractal]

https://i.gyazo.com/ae9a0f8595c0643758f701133c26ffc4.png

[lethal lagoon]

Train your mind.

[mighty fractal]

those kills will come, eventually

one must be patient

[orchid shadow]

Maybe drop Evasion so you can lean into your build more, then see if you miss it or not.

[upper sun]

its ok just forget about the alt fire

[mighty fractal]

Empathic is inconsistent on trauma

imo

you could afford to drop it

[proven crest]

^

[tulip kettle]

this was my thoughts, normally i would run EE with any crit build

[mighty fractal]

it works much much better on purg and surge where you're constantly rolling crits

[lethal lagoon]

That was my thought, till I tested it out. It weirdly fits with Trauma.

[tulip kettle]

but like, isnt the whole point of blaze trauma to be critting?

[lethal lagoon]

I don't like it on surge actually.

[mighty fractal]

Wildfire isn't 'good,' but it helps somewhat with soulblaze uptime for the purposes of In Fire Reborn

[tulip kettle]

so as long as it functions correctly it should be fine

[proven crest]

empathetic evasion works best when you can maintain a constant stream of crits

which doesn't play nicely with the slower nature of trauma right click

[tulip kettle]

okay all good points

[proven crest]

it's actually ok with quell canceled left clicks with warp nexus tho

[tulip kettle]

i try with dropping EE

[proven crest]

so like, it's not worthless

[mighty fractal]

Like I wouldn't say EE is necessarily bad on Trauma, it does indeed work

It's just that there are gaps of downtime in between your charges

[proven crest]

and frankly, i think regular shooters are your biggest threat on blaze trauma

[tulip kettle]

oh, no....

ogryn flashbacks

[mighty fractal]

[tulip kettle]

surely i just blat em with the lmb

fish for a crit

[proven crest]

you can deal with them just fine, it's just like, trauma is blatantly unfair to basically everything in the game

[mighty fractal]

build for double LMB crit build

double the procs!

[proven crest]

with the one exception being regular shooters can sometimes have the opportunity to clap you if you time your stuff wrong

[tulip kettle]

idk i ran a fair bit of rending trauma and i just didnt like it because of the ragdolling

[proven crest]

we will never understand one another

[tulip kettle]

but nevfer really struggled with small shooters

[lethal lagoon]

If you are on PC, it helps to practice with all healthbars on.

And then turn them off when you get used to it.

[tulip kettle]

yeah less for me, and more like

[lethal lagoon]

Also, blazing helps, because dead things don't burn.

[tulip kettle]

every time i dont play psyker, and i play with a trauma psyker, they just knock stuff on the ground making me miss the weakspot, then dont klill it

[lethal lagoon]

There's another point for wildfire, makes it easier to see all the stuff you knock around is alive or not

[tulip kettle]

that makes sense, i know so little about blazing trauma really because of my distaste for trauma for the other reasons

[strong gulch]

Back on blaze trauma. I have 2 builds.

1 has blaze trauma as the main focus but requires more brain on game play.

2 is use whatever don't think about it too hard but I'm going to cry that I don't have psykinetic's aura.

[tulip kettle]

but if im playing it myself and actually killing everything im sure its fine

left is the exact build i made

but with soulstealer instead of quietitude

and the 10% soulfire warp node on warp charges

but maybe that changes once i play it a bit

[proven crest]

assail will hard counter shooters, but it doesn't sound like you have a problem with them anyways

and if you're not whoring CD on blaze trauma, what are you even doing

[strong gulch]

If you're doing blaze trauma + wildfire then In Fire Reborn is pretty good.

[marble crater]

Shriek the shooters

[tulip kettle]

this was also a big part of my planb

if being shot and out of options, do the titanfall

sweet now i have a build and weapons to work for again

ill probably hate it equally but we'll see

[strong gulch]

Gives more options. Always slamming the danger circle gets meh sometimes. Sometimes teammates are handling their own big boys and I don't need to mess up their timing and combo.

The second one is very whatever just click buttons.

[tulip kettle]

this is what im always saying about trauma

[lethal lagoon]

Jokes aside, I do feel bad when I make someone miss a plasma shot or something.

[tulip kettle]

knockdown just fucks your team mates

[lethal lagoon]

or a headshot with melee

That's why I super apperciate people ready for the knockdown, esp ogryn, and melee headshot them on the ground instantly.

Feels like a wombo combo

[strong gulch]

yee

Especially when it's just one or two. Faster for sure.

[lethal lagoon]

Though TBF, I'm basically the nanny for the Vet on Trauma

They are blissfully unaware of the like 50 backstabs I stop throughout a game

[strong gulch]

true lol

[proven crest]

perma-trauma the zealot so they never get kills

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-praise-gif-25000256

[midnight jolt]

could be worth the risk?

[severe folio]

the burn is kind of…

[hot zephyr]

Your risk is basically just can you live with 15% block eff if you roll badly on the second blessing

[midnight jolt]

basically, though dmg is on the lower side, I don't know, I need to try weapons for the sake of knowledge and fun

[hot zephyr]

Tax is basically halfway between dagger and combat axe. You're basically going to just spam lmb like crazy. IIRC taxes best DPS is literally just light attack in almost all scenarios

[strong gulch]

If you don't mind waiting, emp will throw orange axes at you.

If you're impatient and have more plasteel than sense, then upgrade with reckless abandon.

[ionic sorrel]

Out of curiosity, what do you consider more plasteel than sense?

[lethal lagoon]

260k

[ionic sorrel]

I thought I was ballin with 20k

[lethal lagoon]

Oh that's not me, I'm a compulsive spender

And not a great speller

[strong gulch]

If you always have multiple upgrades worth of plasteel and no ordos.

[ionic sorrel]

I'm sitting at like 4mil ordo. That stuff is hard to get rid of.

I did make a dent to finally get surge on my void stick

[strong gulch]

Not if you are rolling for a perfect weapon and have the buy until rating mod.

ordo dump

[lethal lagoon]

Pick your favorite weapon and roll a perfect 80/80/80/80/60 version of it

[ionic sorrel]

I do not have that mod, but I could use a mod that would help me clean my inventory, it's a mess. Lol

[strong gulch]

There is a sorting and favorites mod. You still got to do the clean up, but new stuff can be made to appear at the top and marking things as a favorite can let you quickly see what the chaff is.

[mighty fractal]

That one's down to personal taste

[eager mantle]

Start the real endgame. Buy until rating and setting it at 380

[mighty fractal]

both In Fire Reborn and Psychic Vampire have different use cases, too

In Fire Reborn will refill your Warp Battery stacks super quickly in a dense horde

like you'll go from 0-6 instantly sometimes, and then you'll be able to poop out shrieks and shields nonstop

Psychic Vampire has better uptime during horde downtime, though

like when you're just waltzing through the map and scavenging, or if a patrol of shooters shows up suddenly and you have no way to reliably set them on fire

or your vet pops all of the gunner heads before you can

that's where Vampire begins to shine

I still can't decide which one I like better, honestly

[strong gulch]

In fire reborn has more potential and to use it at it's best needs some mindfulness, but it can be inconsistent.

Vampire, especially if there is another psyker with it, is set consistent and don't have to think about it.

[mighty fractal]

Aye

[strong gulch]

I opt for vampire because thinking is hard.

[mighty fractal]

Sometimes you're starved of stacks even during a horde if you take In Fire Reborn

You might get unlucky and not roll a crit on your trauma cast

[strong gulch]

Yeah. Sad

[mighty fractal]

and now the horde is blown up

or the zealot/ogryn picks off all the stragglers

Or like... as you're running around doing objectives, your vet will be picking off targets that you can't reach

and those are all chances to gain Warp charges if you take Vampire (but not IFB)

[ornate hamlet]

Vampire is always my pick because it's 4% of your team versus 10% of you

[ionic sorrel]

One day I would like to play with four purg staffs.

[orchid shadow]

Four of any one type of staff is always bonkers. I had a Lights out with four Surge users. Lightning everywhere.

[ionic sorrel]

Gosh, that sounds so fun.

[lethal lagoon]

That back when the Surge bug could cause eye damage

I had a run with 4 different staves, and it honestly felt like the game just had 4 classes named Psyker.

They synergize so well

[tulip kettle]

just got dropped the left one, already using the right one

do i eat the right one for dumdum?

[mighty fractal]

Yeah that's my thinking as well

[tulip kettle]

i will end up with slightly better stats, but + cara instead of + flak

[mighty fractal]

and it always has a chance to proc when there's no horde around just due to people sniping gunners and specials out in the open

[lethal lagoon]

Probably not, cause then you have carpace which doesn't do much.

[tulip kettle]

true, but those extra stats could balance it out, idk

even 4% extra stability will make it feel better i think

but then again idk

[midnight jolt]

My new staff 😉

[tulip kettle]

oh thats very nice

[deep pine]

That's a doozy

[tulip kettle]

ez crusher 1 shot

[tulip kettle]

i had a look at breakpoint calculator and the performance and ttk is so similar between the 2

against ragers, crushers, shotgunners and flamers at least

the monstosity DPS will be higher on the new one and it will also be more stable when moving and ADS

[ornate hamlet]

No, it's mine 🔫

I'm not here to share

[tulip kettle]

the crafting system is fine the crafting system is fine the crafting system is fine

[mighty fractal]

[midnight jolt]

is fine, we get enough plasteel, right? and diamantine is so useful, right?

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/right-yeah-right-yeah-oh-yeah-ohh-gif-14553729619893238098

[untold spindle]

how do i farm for suuuuuurge

fatshark pleaaaase

[tulip kettle]

keep grey weapons that might have your desired blessing in the inventory

check melk the next day and he will have it

thats my conspiracy

[lethal lagoon]

Make more psykers for more melk rolls

[untold spindle]

D;>

imma just craft lots of staffs

[ornate hamlet]

Now that I think of it

Does run and gun's damage apply to the RMB?

For trauma I mean

[shadow wigeon]

I doubt it but have not actually tested that....

I imagine if it did it would apply to all staffs because you have equal mobility

[foggy tangle]

should I go with left or right?

[shadow wigeon]

Left because it's a 380.... gotta upgrade that asap.

See what the space casino gives you

[long wharf]

and before you replace anything on the 380 one, upgrade the 363 one

just to see if you get what you want with that

both are usable, but blast radius is primary stat for trauma

regardless of what build you're doing

[midnight jolt]

This thing is a beast

[shadow wigeon]

They are both well statted, and Trauma is a long road because there are many blessings and builds that are valid

[long wharf]

if you're using True Aim and get the +5% crit chance from the talent tree, swap your crit chance perk to +10% elite damage

[wanton lagoon]

what blessings for purg staff>

[feral verge]

warp nexus warp flurry

flak and maniac damage

for perks

@wanton lagoon

terrifying barrage is useless, dont use it

[wanton lagoon]

i just bought this off the shop lol

[tulip kettle]

only 62 burn though, unfortunately

[feral verge]

stat wise, that is awful

you want 76% burn or higher

[wanton lagoon]

im not using it

but i just want the blessings

[feral verge]

76% burn lets you put an extra stack of soulblaze

unless you are rolling in melk bucks, i reccomnend only getting t4 blessings from melk

[long wharf]

waste of Milkies

[wanton lagoon]

first in line im trying to roll a good minigun for my ogrn, then im gunna try for a purg staff

[feral verge]

t3 blessings are v easy to come by via crafting

[wanton lagoon]

really oh

damn

[feral verge]

if you are gonna rip a blessing off of it (you can only get one, just in case you didnt know), get warp nexus

also, assuming you are new to purga staff

dont be the idiot who tries setting solitary trash enemies or muties on fire

use your melee to kill solo enemies

ideal melee to pair with purga would be deimos or ds4 (dueling sword 4)

purga should only be used on groups

[long wharf]

at the same time, don't be afraid of purge primary attack's ability to stagger-lock everything up to mutant/ogryn size

[dawn spoke]

it will stagger reapers, it's jsut crushers, bulwarks, and monstrosities that don't care

[tulip kettle]

before i waste the last of my plasteel trying AGAIN for the godroll blaze trauma, do i:
A:try my luck on the 355
B:try my luck on all 3
C:keep rolling for a better base
D:all of the above in that order after hadron bricks all 3

[long wharf]

I generally don't upgrade anything sub 360

the odds just aren't in your favor there

doesn't mean you can't get lucky, so if you have the spare mats, go for it

[tulip kettle]

i already have the blessings, i just need at least 2 of the 4 slots to be correct

and i agree on the sub 360, but the stats look great otherwise and i dont imagine the extra warp res would make a difference

[long wharf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

it's all in how comfortable you are with the risk of wasting mats

[tulip kettle]

i have tried 4 times tonight going to purple, got nexus 3 on one but then 2 dud perks and flurry

[long wharf]

yep, Hadron's Slot Machine is rather unforgiving

gotta feed the slot

[tulip kettle]

lol i have been insanely lucky before i guess, never had to spend over a mill dockets on a weapon before

does the base power rating change the odds of getting higher tier perks and blessings?

[long wharf]

not so much the base power itself

[tulip kettle]

i have been given TB2 on a 375 void

[hot zephyr]

yes, higher base level items have a higher percent odds of getting higher tier perks/blessings

[long wharf]

total item rating affects the odds of getting what you want

it's total_item_rating / max_rating_possible odds

is how I look at it

[tulip kettle]

so if i up a 375+ and get a t2 perk on green

i should probs just ditch it

?

[long wharf]

the closer to maximum possible total rating the item can have currently, the better odds you get higher rated rolls

[shadow wigeon]

You will not get a T2, effectively.

[tulip kettle]

like i say i got barrage 2 on a 375 grey void i upgraded

[long wharf]

I've never seen a t2 perk roll on a base 375+ weapon that you consecrated

that would be incredibly unlucky

[tulip kettle]

it got maniac 3 then barrage 2

[hot zephyr]

On items above 370 you usually roll a tier 3 perk/blessing at minimum in my experience

[shadow wigeon]

Last time I ran a test on 100 consecrations, 340+ had about the same odds of getting T4's, but rolling to orange had higher odds of getting a T4 (compred to a blue)

[long wharf]

oh, a t2 blessing is possible, still unlucky

I've never seen a t2 perk roll on an item with that high base rating

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, I've only seen t2 perks on 370+ stuff at brunt's shop in the greens/blues section

[tulip kettle]

mmkay cheers, generally i have been just upgrading to purple then if i have at least 1 good slot gambling on orange

and getting pretty lucky tbh

[long wharf]

if I'm looking for blessings, I generally don't go above blue

[tulip kettle]

power cycler 4 on my first power sword etc

[long wharf]

that said, if I'm missing only one or two t4 blessings, I'll upgrade high-rating candidates to orange

[hot zephyr]

I've definitely gambled on the upgrade to orange a few time. My mark13 chainsword I gambled. It had a perfect t4 perk as a green, but then rolled poo on blue/purp and godrolled orange for the like 1/7 shot at the correct blessing/tier

[tulip kettle]

ive never really needed to farm blessings, i have a conspiracy on how to get them that seems to work sometimes, but like you say its more gambling on weapons upgrading to orange for the 1/7 chance and is there something more efficient to do

like just stopping at the first blessing if neither perk or blessing is good

idk how to do the math to work it out if im honest

[hot zephyr]

I mean it's not like plasteel/dia is hard to get, you run some damns and you get 500-700 a run pretty easy if your team is in goblin mode

[tulip kettle]

.....

man just said "just farm plasteel"

[long wharf]

yes he did

[agile geode]

what are the stat priorities for purgatus? (and preferred minimums)
max burn stacks you can reach is 15, at 76% if i remember correctly right?

[shadow wigeon]

I remember the days when no run was below 700....

[potent echo]

500-700 per run 🤮

800 or bust

[shadow wigeon]

Admittedly at this point I dont need plasteel anymore, so I appreciate the fast ordos, but I feel bad for the new folks.

[long wharf]

I mean, you don't need plasteel once you stop playing Darktide, either

[agile geode]

which one would you start upgrading first (stat wise)

[long wharf]

sell all but the first

[shadow wigeon]

Upgrading items below 360 is not really worth it, unfortunately. The materials cost is high and you're likely to not get anything you want. Better to keep your powder dry and upgrade items with good stats (360+), so if you get lucky on the upgrade you'll have a powerful weapon.

[agile geode]

i usually keep to that rule as well.
just heard a lot about different dump stats, and that mainly burn/cloud are important, so wanted to double check

sadly no tier 4 blessings, but still pleased, had to change critical damage to critical hit chance,

now i just need a decent Deimos to pair with it 😅

[feral verge]

i'd take crit chance off of that

you are much better off with damage perks

[shadow wigeon]

Carapace is not doing anything

[feral verge]

i'd put maniac and flak damage on that

[shadow wigeon]

Otherwise an excellent weapon

[agile geode]

double stacks on crit tho ?

[feral verge]

i am very well aware of that

[agile geode]

agreed. was debating with myself if i should change that, or wait and see for a future tier4 blessing

[shadow wigeon]

+crit is a valid perk. Change the +carapace before anything

[feral verge]

between warp nexus, psykers innate 7.5% crit chance and the 5% crit feat, you will be critting so much already

[shadow wigeon]

Don't wait, change it first.

[feral verge]

5% crit chance is NOT going to be felt or noticed from perk

25% damage perk will be felt

• crit is indeed valid. it is not awful

but like i said, damage is more impactful

[agile geode]

i get your point in terms of how much crit is already on it,, at max peril 25,5 (if i changed the crit perk) and 30,5 with it

[feral verge]

I can get like 2k criticals in a pub game, running a purga staff without crit chance perk

That's waaaay more than enough

[agile geode]

i already have it changed so just need to run a few games so i can personally feel the difference during gameplay, but i do appreciate the point that you make

[shadow wigeon]

Crit on purg is about speed of removal. Ramping up the stacks will do more damage faster. If you sit there are "over-apply" stacks, then it has less value, but it will do damage faster.

[elfin roost]

Yeehaw or yeenaw?

[shadow wigeon]

I would roll one more perk. If the second perk is bad you probably want to pull the plug.

If the second perk is good, however, you want to replace Focused with Terrifying Barrage if you have it - BEFORE you roll to orange.

(so that you will most likely get Flurry or Nexus as your second blessing, and thus complete Surge staff)

[elfin roost]

Thats fair

thanks

[midnight epoch]

...wow all this time I've never thought about rolling off a low level good blessing to put it back into the pool. Doh.

[shadow wigeon]

Your ideal perks are flak, maniac. Second tier are crit chance, carapace, off the top of my head.

[shadow wigeon]

This works almost100% for Surge, and almost as well for Purgatus.
Trauma and Void have too many blessings to make it worthwhile.

[urban sandal]

elites is good too

[shadow wigeon]

Yes, that's what I was forgetting.
Flak/Maniac, Elites, Crit chance/Carapace in that order.
Although I may be under valuing crit chance there.

[restive slate]

@tulip kettle Nice bp on that void

[shadow wigeon]

Also for Surge, don't forget that your LMB bolt attack is quite strong (thanks to high crit chance). Use it liberally. Crits also have decent stagger.

[elfin roost]

Thanks for the tip, I honestly didn't know they were any good

Wait the lmb is different than the voidstrike lookin one right?

[urban sandal]

staff primary attack

[elfin roost]

So its the normal one

[urban sandal]

has a shit load of suppression

[elfin roost]

I'd be scared if a miniature black hole was shot near my head so I get it

[restive slate]

Staff primaries are my go to for dealing with Snipers and Bombers

Still hopium that voidstrike works more like a blackhole than a bowling bowl

[shadow wigeon]

Bolt attacks are the same on all staffs (but purg), but Surge has the strongest one because of the highter crit chance.

And bolt attack crit have high stagged, and 2x damage, so it's just a good attack in general.

[restive slate]

Also the fun mad hands animation of throwing psybolts one after another

[shadow wigeon]

When I play Surge, I would wager that Botl is 50% of my attacks

[urban sandal]

I rarely use it between trauma staff aoe and brain burst

[shadow wigeon]

On Trauma and Void it's not terrible useful. Still good for removing specific enemies very fast, you can fire it on the move easily.

[potent echo]

It's something I use if I don't pick assail

[rotund fable]

I really only find myself using the voidstrike as a makeshift "Knock that conga-line of crushers and maulers on their back" button or "that sniper needs to die and our veteran is distracted" button. Rest of my kills on the voidstrike loadout come from diemos meele combos or assail spam.

[urban sandal]

"that sniper needs to die and our veteran is distracted" is me with every sniper I swear

so rare I get a vet that can kill elites/specials before I can

unless it's a plasma vet in which case he kills everything before anyone can

[outer vessel]

Plasma got so buffed up, it made every mediocre vet somewhat less bad at the game

[long wharf]

it still takes good aim

but yeah, plasma is nearly OP right now

[urban sandal]

it is op

[long wharf]

a good plasma vet is ensuring you don't have to worry about anything that's not immediately in your face

[outer vessel]

Idk what it is about plasma vets where they absolutely must kill whatever other people are shooting at

Go kill the 10 other gunners still shooting at you, I have literally everything behind us covered lol

[devout robin]

plasma's fucking busted

it's the most blessing / perk / talent agnostic gun in the game

[midnight epoch]

I can't use plasma sadly, spamming it randomly causes my sounds to mute

[outer vessel]

I feel it's a bit of a "I don't trust my team mates to kill stuff" that turns people into hyper aggressive kill stealers

[devout robin]

they make it better but you oculd slap a gray one on a voc vet on some percs and tell him to pretend it's mccrag

and it's so over

[rotund fable]

me with plasma gun is "mising that crusher that's about to pound me, but somehow nailing that sniper on the ther end of the map"

[long wharf]

"kill stealing" isn't a thing in this game.

[devout robin]

eh

i would debate that under the pretense of some talents needing a kill from the specific individual

[outer vessel]

It sort of is.

[long wharf]

it really isn't

[devout robin]

but it's not make or break

[long wharf]

because Darktide isn't a competitive game

[outer vessel]

It's more of a "why waste the ammo? Did you really need to shoot what the brain burst psyker is targeting?"

[urban sandal]

having a brain burst 90% charged only to have someone kill it can be pretty frustrating

[outer vessel]

^

Just really weird decision making

[long wharf]

also, if a crusher is about to put you down, the vet taking out a sniper means he's doing his job instead of focusing on babysitting you

[devout robin]

yeah but that's not kill-stealing, that's a tactical decision to not kill someone

[rotund fable]

Imagine trying to get one of the brain burst penaces and your teamates keep killing the thing you're about to pop.

[devout robin]

people aren't going out of their way to let people farm kills for what they want, typically you are expected ot just pursue your targets as necessary to get the most out of your talents

[long wharf]

a plasma vet's primary job is to remove all ranged threats from play before they become dangerous

[urban sandal]

that's the vet's entire job as is tbf

[outer vessel]

Yes but

Just stop and think

[long wharf]

if a player typed in chat "way to keep these crushers off me", I'd laugh at them

[devout robin]

kill-stealing is very technically in the game but i get pfhoenix's point of where it doesnt matter because you're constantly shooting shit rather than worrying about what gets the most value

[long wharf]

a big belly laugh, right into the mic

[outer vessel]

Why focus on killing things other team mates are clearly going to kill without your input

[haughty star]

deimos is the useless one isn't it

[untold niche]

73 not serviceable?

[outer vessel]

You can be busy focusing something else

[urban sandal]

deimos is the good one

[devout robin]

you want 76+ for the max possible stacks

[urban sandal]

obscurus is the shitty one

[haughty star]

soooo grab?

[rotund fable]

The joke i made was about my bad aim and RNG... in the scenario I'm the plasma-gun vet, and i missed a crusher who was in my face and about to kill me, but i somehow nailed a sniper that was on the other end of the map.

[devout robin]

obscurus is a shitty middle child, deimos is nutty for single target

[radiant sleet]

what is purgatus dump stat? or do you want even ?

[outer vessel]

It's what I genuinely feel contributes to being overwhelmed due to over prioritizing the same target

[haughty star]

let's see how bad hadron wants this turdcutter

[outer vessel]

I'm the last person on a team to need help, so it leaves others room to kill shit I am not busy dealing with

[long wharf]

if I'm playing with a plasma vet that's on their game and killing the especially dangerous stuff before I can get to it... I think "awesome, I can keep the horde off him and we can breeze through this"

[urban sandal]

damage or quell speed

[haughty star]

imma be reall with ya'll it's not looking great

[long wharf]

and I make sure I'm pinging everything I can

[untold niche]

Wait were you replying to me?

[devout robin]

yes

[untold niche]

Ah thanks dood.

[long wharf]

and when I run my plasma vet, I always type into chat (or say over mic) "you ping 'em I ding 'em"

[devout robin]

[outer vessel]

Just a thing, really, after playing with my friends in verm 2 who know to divert their attention

[haughty star]

oh god it's fucked for sure

but, i'm stupid so imma roll it again

[long wharf]

Hadron strikes again

[haughty star]

don't you want a stamina boost on psyker tho?

[outer vessel]

Yeah, usually I stop at blue

No lol

Curio does a better job at giving you stamina

[radiant sleet]

how should I proceed with this

[untold niche]

It's the one with in between horde clear ds4 and illisi, but you can one tap muties with it tho.
I think it kills ragers good too

[outer vessel]

Swap terrifying out for crit

Swap crit damage out for flak or maniac

[haughty star]

i thought the meta guys say that you want a plus 3 stam for durability with blocking

[urban sandal]

I have +2 stam locked in on my dclaw and it's served me well with kinetic deflection but obviously something else would be better

[proud frost]

AAAAAA FINALLY

[haughty star]

dman it

[potent echo]

Surge on

[devout robin]

you want at least +3 stam in general so you don't run around like a tuberculosis-stricken victorian chimney sweep

[proud frost]

finally got that damn blessing

[haughty star]

i don't know what that means. but, imma take your word for it

i do be likin tubes and cubes tho

[untold niche]

Ye but +3 hard to find. I just got mine recently after +30
I don't really feel the difference between +2 and +3 though.

[devout robin]

you want +3 stam so you have enough to comfortable dodge al ot of situations, and block well alongside other tools like deflector and the blocking node

[haughty star]

so what does this do for durability

[devout robin]

psyker has really low stam so you do want +3

[haughty star]

is it some relationship with kinetic?

[urban sandal]

yeah

[devout robin]

yeah, psyker has access to many block boosting talents that benefit very much from ah igher stamina pool

you want a decently high stamina pool on all classes (besides ogryn)

[urban sandal]

people understimate having +stamina and kinetic deflection for something like the dclaw, you get near infinite parries as long as you can quell every few

[haughty star]

cuz ya'll say it can hold up to almost as much shit as a ogryn with a shield and on my psyker if a ads so much as says a mean word to me im in trouble

[untold niche]

Wait why you say dodge. Dodge just stops stamina regen. No other interaction. Granted it is still something that affects but I feel irs negligible to talk about

Am just arguing so that you correct me and then I learn

Not uh shooting you down. Man is just average skilled

[untold niche]

From what I understand pysker durability comes from blocking. With special mention to revives because when your stamina runs out it goes into peril because of KD.

And offense.

[untold niche]

Jessie please reply I want to learn

[haughty star]

at a loss as to where to put this perk on a funni brain bursty focused build for running g4s for my buddy who won't play auric with me

[devout robin]

dodge literally gives you invincibility frames

[untold niche]

Yeah I know about that

Wait

I thought only slide does

[devout robin]

you’re not gonna dodge crusher overheads by running backwards lmao

dodge is literally the most important damage in darktide besides shooting and walking

[potent echo]

Slide is only for ranged attacks

But not nets

[untold niche]

Yeah but isn't it because dodging makes the enemy lose tracking

[devout robin]

nope

[potent echo]

It's both actually

Kinda

[devout robin]

you have to time your dodges to when the tracking stops too

[untold niche]

There's actual iframes from dodge?

[potent echo]

Depends on the attack

[devout robin]

a crusher will still overhead you if you dodge too soon

[potent echo]

So horde running attack cannot be iframed

But overheads can

[devout robin]

yeah. it’s not a ton, it’s why you can dodge through mutant grapples but not side-step them with s and d

even if it didn’t

it’s so important to dodge

[haughty star]

it's too bad EP don't have interactions with the staves

[untold niche]

Like if you face your right side to them, then you dodge right, then it goes through the grapple?

[devout robin]

what are you talking about

[lethal lagoon]

Does it need to

[devout robin]

you just press the dodge key in the direction you want and it dodges it in that direction

[lethal lagoon]

Also EP BB needs a buff

[devout robin]

timing it right lets you just avoid a mutant grab

[lethal lagoon]

Huge buff

Ep smite though

[devout robin]

like

dodge is so important

you NEED to dodge to not die

[haughty star]

i do that on my volver VOC vet

[untold niche]

If its iframes wouldn't you still not be grabbed if you dodge into them

[devout robin]

not correct

[lethal lagoon]

(You can jump a mutant grab on Ogryn)

[devout robin]

you still have to be out of their way

[haughty star]

not that it's not impressive lol

[untold niche]

OK back to this. Aren't you limited by your dodge cap than the stamina

[devout robin]

correct but you're not like

[untold niche]

Then that's not iframes anymore no

[devout robin]

it can be i-frames

it's just that you literally get in the way of them that they grab you after the i-frames end

[untold niche]

Ohh

[lethal lagoon]

My aim isn't that good 😖

[devout robin]

dodge cap is important but like

[lethal lagoon]

600k is like my cap for revolver vet

[devout robin]

your dodges come back much quicker than stamina

in addition to blocking, sprinting, sliding, etc

[haughty star]

do you have it tuned out to one tap crushers?

[lethal lagoon]

Is that the standing still stack thingy?

[devout robin]

stamina is for every valuable defensive movement ability and having a baseline decent amount will make your life infinitely easier

[lethal lagoon]

I've run that.

I don't remember if it one-shot crushers

[haughty star]

i managed to do it without exes or the standy still thing lol

[lethal lagoon]

Does it do that now o.0

[untold niche]

Aren't you still able to dodge on zero stam

[rose kite]

ya its smaller tho

[lethal lagoon]

Mutants are super forgiving atm, honestly. Just spawn 10 in the pysch and practice.

[haughty star]

Tasty damage

[devout robin]

without stamina you cannot avoid (for the most part): mutants grabs, trapper nets, sniper shots, crusher overheads, dogs, gunners, shotgunners, shooters, reapers, any of the monstrosities, etc

[rose kite]

yes u can wot

[devout robin]

like yeah there's some ways to deal with them, like positioing, blocking dogs, etc

but like

just dodge lol

[lethal lagoon]

That's not VOC?

[haughty star]

no

yes it is lol

[lethal lagoon]

Well wasn't that the topic at hand

It's not?

Or it is?

[haughty star]

it is VOC

[lethal lagoon]

Oh it is, i"m blind

[rose kite]

dodge mutants by dodging to their left because they try to grab u from the right

[lethal lagoon]

Well damn, maybe I'll roll vet for a bit again

[untold niche]

On zero stam you can't dodge out of sniper shot?
Then what about dodge slide

[devout robin]

you can't dodge slide without stamina either

[rose kite]

you can dodge trappers and snipers and crushers and dogs always by timing it right

[devout robin]

you need to sprint then dodge

[devout robin]

...yes, i am saying dodging helps you dodge those

[lethal lagoon]

That yellow hightlighting confused me

[magic kayak]

decent?

[haughty star]

i hate it but it's my favorite auric build

[rose kite]

even when out of stam

[magic kayak]

I feel like I'd want more crit bonus and less mobility actually

[haughty star]

it's just so forgiving and supportive

[lethal lagoon]

You can also duck dogs

[devout robin]

i mean yeah you can but having stam is going to always be better

[lethal lagoon]

It's very funny

[devout robin]

'oh a sniper, better immediately dodge back into cover'

[haughty star]

i hoard the cooldown stims too so i can overheal my team mates 3 times in a minute

[devout robin]

my point was to illustrate stamina and stamina management are what the game's built around

[rose kite]

unless you're really stuck in a horde/surrounded by fire and whatnot snipers aint that bad

[devout robin]

and playing around such makes your life so much easiesr

they aren't

[rose kite]

i just run at them a lot of the time lol

[devout robin]

i mean yeah me too, it's just that plasteel farmer was asking like

why dodge / stamina good

[untold niche]

No I'm not asking why dodge stamina good. I was asking why dodge was talked about for +3 stamina

[rose kite]

i used to run with a stam curio but dont any more on any of my characters

maybe with a knife build if you wanna be sprinting all the time

[devout robin]

because more stamina means more defensive mobility tools in general

[rose kite]

iunno

[devout robin]

i like the safety net

[haughty star]

it apparently makes you immortal if you're good with your block timing and dodges

on psyker thanks to KD

[rose kite]

other curios are also safety nets

[devout robin]

like a bunch of block talents aren't gonna feel great without a larger pool to drain stamina from

[untold niche]

But I learn something new. I didn't know about you can't dodge slide on zero stamina. I always could do it.

As for the mutie one I forgot that mutie has insane hitbox. Only after you mentioned that then I remember being grabbed while behind the mutie

[haughty star]

let's just say for arguments sake you get 3 extra blocks out of a +2 stam

[devout robin]

do you mean literally zero stam

or that it regens after like a sec and you just use up the last bit again and go back to zero

[haughty star]

one whole ass maxxed out toughness curio isn't gonna shed one ads attack worth of damage

[rose kite]

i run with a build that allows me to not waste time blocking as much as possible

u can make up for it

[devout robin]

ya

[rose kite]

trauma staff at ur feet

venting shriek

[untold niche]

Oh so that's what happens

[devout robin]

yes

then of course you also stick at very low stam that you can't block shit

can't run away from shit

[haughty star]

it never works out that perfect lol even if you're toughness is catching most of it

[devout robin]

dodge only does so much if you can only do one at a time

[rose kite]

why run away from thing when u can simply make it head go boom

[devout robin]

etc

[untold niche]

I never blocked much in DT other than for DH or after unlocking deflector on force swords.

[devout robin]

like jyva here

if you're comfortable with base stamina management

[haughty star]

you're still getting bleedthrough, with a block you don't get anything

[devout robin]

go for it

[untold niche]

The only blocks I did was because I did a push attack and they hit me

[devout robin]

but personally it makes my life insanely easier bc i dont have a large cushion

[rose kite]

u should rarely be needing to block on a psyker i feel like

[haughty star]

you should block anything that's going to hit you lol

[untold niche]

I don't even block on zealot

[haughty star]

psyker has puny health pool

[rose kite]

simply do not have things that are going to hit u 4head

[haughty star]

yeah everyone says that but i've never met a player that don't get hit on AD

[devout robin]

respectfully i kinda balk at the 'just never get into this situation'

[shadow wigeon]

Block ragers to feed creeping flames

[rose kite]

ad?

o

[devout robin]

because you're gonna get into that situation whether u like it or not

[rose kite]

auric damnation

i play maelstrom mainly

[devout robin]

like yeah i'll probably never need revive speed if my team plays perfectly

but my team is not gonna play perfectly

[untold niche]

If its just a single zombie I tank the hit and then shoot them with void.
If I'm horde clearing, I usually dodge into PA

[haughty star]

literally everyone always says on here just don't get hit and i've literally not played one match of dark tide ever where someone did not need to use a med station lol

[devout robin]

and obv there's a fallacy in how much i should expect situations to go bad

and overplanning for bad situations is already a big pit

but they're gonna happen

[rose kite]

ehhh yeah i would say def dont go for revive speed

[devout robin]

yeah

probably a bad example

but it's kinda why i run the +3 stam

it's so universally nice in any situation

[rose kite]

ey man do what u want i dont control ur life

[devout robin]

and feels almost necessary when shit goes haywire

[rose kite]

everyones got a diff way of playin

[hearty oak]

@plucky flax I figured out the knife finally. ||The axe is still my beloved||

[devout robin]

but i also pug damnation+ and get goons so

idk

ya

[potent echo]

Huh, don't take revive speed ? Heresy

[devout robin]

ur confident in how u play so it rocks

[untold niche]

On psyker I think my top reason for dying is taking huge damage from poxbursters

[devout robin]

hey

you wanna know a little trick

stamina is needed to push poxwalkers

[rose kite]

oh yes that's my massive weakness

[devout robin]

[rose kite]

im deaf in one ear so i can't tell where sounds are coming from

poxbursters get to me a lot

[devout robin]

silent poxwalkers can eat my fat ass tbh

i hope they patch that out

poxbursters*

[rose kite]

i reflexively dodge/push/venting shriek when i hear one really loud and about to explode most of the time

[potent echo]

Use the Spidey sense mod, it's great for me too

[haughty star]

almost the only reason i ever get damaged is bleed through damage tbh

and poxbursters

[untold niche]

Uh, sure but I'm not talking about not pushing poxbursters

[rose kite]

hmmmmmm

[untold niche]

I'm talking about no sounds, push into wall, teammate push into wall, teammate no push

[lethal lagoon]

I'm guessing you just grab all those special nodes that buff your damage after ability use?

[untold niche]

Or teammate hot potato into you from behind

[haughty star]

no just the left tree one

oh maybe i do hang on

[untold niche]

Bleed through damage from what tho

[devout robin]

that's just the mechanic

[haughty star]

from taking toughness damage

[devout robin]

the lower toughness you have the more damage is gonna bleed through ur hp

[untold niche]

Yeah from what source. Zombies?

[devout robin]

just residual damage

[lethal lagoon]

The lower toughness %

[rose kite]

psyker can have insane toughness regen if you're getting warp kills at a fast rate

so it benefits from +toughness a lot i think

[haughty star]

but with such a tiny hp pool one lil fuck up costs a 10th of your hp bar

[rose kite]

that + ranged dodge on crit means u can stand in front of a zillion gunners and take no dmg

[haughty star]

idk im just trying out blocking more lol it's hard habit to get into but

[lethal lagoon]

Best psyker skill is knowing when you need to Get the fuck out of there lmao.

Just bolt it

[rose kite]

that goes for any class really lol

[haughty star]

sometimes you just can't on psyker lol and some of the dps is so situational ya just get fucked

[lethal lagoon]

Me on my Immortal Ogryn:

[untold niche]

Can't do that with void :(
( unless you purposefully lmb spam just to proc it)
I swapped EE out.

[devout robin]

if you have void just throw bowling balls at them

[rose kite]

ya cant do that with every build

assail's good at it tho

[lethal lagoon]

Voidstrike is the only build it's acceptable to be a bubble boi

[untold niche]

No VS for life

[haughty star]

i do reciprocity on the right tree to help out in melee

[untold niche]

I fronttank 6 crushers 3 rager with VS

[spice veldt]

you don't need the requisite stamina to push poxbursters anymore

[untold niche]

Cna you do that with bubble?

[devout robin]

oh thank god

[spice veldt]

that was changed some time ago before patch 13

[rose kite]

u can do it with trauma staff

[spice veldt]

the game also cheats in your favor for pushing bursters

[untold niche]

damn arco reading through tye entire thread

[rose kite]

smite

[lethal lagoon]

Nah I just go poke poke and they die.

[spice veldt]

if you've ever noticed that youve pushed poxbursters without a hitmarker

[rose kite]

ehhh... venting shriek helps

[spice veldt]

since the push range for bursters (and dogs) is larger than your actual melee push

[untold niche]

How you poke poke 6 crusher and 3 rager stahp lying

[lethal lagoon]

Lots of practice, and death.

[haughty star]

AND GIVE UP ALL THOSE TASTY DAMAGE STACKS>?>?>>?>?>?>?>?>?>?>?>?

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah, the burster push is like fucking massive now

[rose kite]

soulfire baybee

[ornate hamlet]

I noticed I was pushing them from a mile away

[haughty star]

Fuck that stanky lil gimmick

[spice veldt]

i noticed it after doing some burster hijinks in the psykhanium

[rose kite]

if you have a bit of time to build it up you can melt a whole horde of specials without having to touch them

[untold niche]

No wonder I formed a habit of switching to my illisi and push on dog bark and it works 100% of the time

[rose kite]

thats fun

[untold niche]

Arco

Can I ask u

[spice veldt]

hmm?

[untold niche]

Do you know anything about quell speed affecting the manual quell delay

[haughty star]

i honestly don't use it unless my brain is about to slip into the warp or i'm reviving someone or just need to gtfo right yesterday

[untold niche]

Like concrete proof

[rose kite]

needs you to get kills though and my current trauma stuff isnt satisfactory rn >:(

[spice veldt]

i only know from what other people tell me and frame checking a 60 fps

[untold niche]

So does it affect

[spice veldt]

syllogism has remarked that it's a static 250ms

and framechecking does say that it's ~250ms as well

[haughty star]

i use surge. it's not "meta" but it's funny as hell and works fine on auric lol

[untold niche]

Even with the talent tree skill?

[spice veldt]

oh Solidity does affect the interval between quell ticks

quell speed as a stat on force staffs affects how much peril% per tick you quell

so those two do different things

[untold niche]

I just want to know about the initial delay

[rose kite]

u dont gotta have the perfect meta build to function in auric

[spice veldt]

it's also 250ms

beginning from when you press to the first tick of quelling

[rose kite]

i use suboptimal stuff as well cause i think it's more fun/fits my character

if every psyker used a sabre shit would get boring real quick

[spice veldt]

yeah the era of patch 13 is pretty nice in that the majority of stuff is pretty good

[lethal lagoon]

If we define meta as the easiest most accessible build to beat the highest tier content, I think Surge/Smite deserves a place
I mean at the end of the day, the only stat that matters is the plasteel and friends we make along the way

[spice veldt]

compared to patch 12 and before where the majority was poopoo

[haughty star]

i just like doing a settings check on weaker gpus by putting stupendous amounts of lightning particle effects out there

[rose kite]

wow

[untold niche]

Because I defo remember voidstrike enjoyer telling me that solidity affects the delay.

And recently I'm trying to roll for a new voidstrike so I was asking if the weapon stat affected the delay and I was told no by someone called aegis. Kjerad didn't have a definitive answer.

[devout robin]

i would kill myself if i had to keep using plasma while it sitll has the ghosting shots bug

[rose kite]

ive never used plasma

[untold niche]

Thanks Mr arco

[haughty star]

got some salt from a dude the other day at the end of the match cuz smite was tanking his frames

[rose kite]

wanna try it out this patch b4 it gets nerfed but i love my revolver too much

[untold niche]

You the bez

[haughty star]

[ornate hamlet]

it's revolver but different

[lethal lagoon]

[haughty star]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[spice veldt]

always gr8 to run op stuff before it gets nerfed

[rose kite]

it's revolver... but not as sexy....

[spice veldt]

i ran bolter vet for 2 months before patch 13 dropped just to enjoy it while it lasted

[devout robin]

do you think columnus is gonna get a nerf

[rose kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1196269793406365796/image.png?ex=65b70410&is=65a48f10&hm=5cd4cdbfca2e5b47fb86554e46b191d1e6cbda08f8b61ff519f9d51a9727b218& my wife

[haughty star]

idk on the score board plasma don't look that great

[spice veldt]

hell yeah it is

[lethal lagoon]

Absolutely.

[devout robin]

rip

[lethal lagoon]

They nerfed VLD crit strings, I can't fathom why columbus was left alone for so long

[spice veldt]

it is definitely on the top spectrum of weapons, and the power level of players is too high already

[lethal lagoon]

Other than Fatshark uwu

[devout robin]

i've already been abusing it but i wanted to see the direction

yeah

[lethal lagoon]

I got a match with another columbus assail psyker

We were within 1k damage of each other at the end

It's just a wild weapon

[haughty star]

fucking a

[lethal lagoon]

Absolutely ruins the power level

[haughty star]

i wish assasination popped up in auric more

[lethal lagoon]

Auric Magistratti is probably my favorite map cause I'm a basic bitch.

[haughty star]

come to think of it

[spice veldt]

hell yeah

i love it cuz it's such a linear map for getting plasteel

[haughty star]

i like the carnival

that part at the end is fucking satisfying no matter what you runnin

[untold niche]

I think just based off the mechanic that you quell more at higher percentage, this makes solidity a must imo at least in context of high peril staff builds

[rose kite]

i like all the maps because i dont remember any of their names

[lethal lagoon]

Also, Magistratti makes EP smite look meta.

[spice veldt]

though it being through puppet master makes me not take it most times

[lethal lagoon]

It's basically set up for it.

[haughty star]

or the consignment yard one with the big open area at the end

both are hella satisfying

[lethal lagoon]

I love the train ending.

need a horde map there

Or something like that

[haughty star]

oh oh oh

the one where you stand up on that platform and wait for the plane is fun too

basically any of them

[untold niche]

I think earliest big power spike as psyker was unlocking solidity.

And don't you guys always say puppet master is good

[lethal lagoon]

Hab Dreyko ending run almost makes doing hab dreyko worth it

[spice veldt]

i've seen pygex say it's good but as far as I'm concerned, it's a dead talent

coherency benefits are pretty nothingburgers and I do not care about my teammates in pubs or premades

[lethal lagoon]

When do you care about them?

[spice veldt]

when they're downed, since I do need them alive to split aggro

[lethal lagoon]

That's my biggest argument for Voice of Command being a DPS ability

Cause it keeps your meatbags alive

[untold niche]

Psyker cdr reduction talent ( on wlite / specialist cant rmb) , not aura, works on teammate kills too no?

[spice veldt]

nah, it only works on your kills

[untold niche]

And pygex got me running toughness regen

[spice veldt]

on elite/special kills that you make, every ally in coherency gets CDR

[haughty star]

I mean if you count the nodes it technically is

[lethal lagoon]

Before that patch, it still was a DPS ability. Nothing ups vet dps like having everyone else taking aggro

[untold niche]

Oh yeah arco just now you mention a guy called syllogism?

[spice veldt]

ye

[untold niche]

I haven't seen him around recently

Where did he go