psyker-class

[tulip kettle]

but really his build means nothing in this video he just has a good purgatus and playing malice

he is using Kinetic flayer which everyone will tell you is a completely wasted talent point

[shrewd shard]

Okay I just like the idea of setting everything on fire

[tulip kettle]

take a look at the aethenium to learn more about psyker

[shrewd shard]

I use the electricity staff with BB atm

[tulip kettle]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

[shrewd shard]

Why is kinetic flayer regarded as useless?

[tulip kettle]

just as an aside, so many times up to the point i watched in the video he starts casting purgatus on ragers and it procs and instakills it

well, i dont think its useless

but nearly everyone hgere does

[shrewd shard]

I enjoy it quite a bit

[tulip kettle]

and its because of how it works

[shrewd shard]

I also don’t really run anything besides no modifier damnation

[tulip kettle]

usually there is something much better to spend your talent point on

well, KF can proc on anything

and has a 15 sec cd

[shrewd shard]

Yea I get that sucks when it doesn’t proc on an elite

[tulip kettle]

so if you hit a bruiser and do 499

it will proc and do 1 dmg then go on cd for 15 secs

[shrewd shard]

But I tend to just spray everything with electricity like full brain dead mode

[near wyvern]

The internal CD is too long for what it does.

[tulip kettle]

i think its better than people here think but we wont rehash that argument

[near wyvern]

And also, randomly targets an enemy

[shrewd shard]

Maybe once I get into maelstrom or whatever I’ll care more but atm I can clear damnation pretty reliably

[tulip kettle]

lol dude you can clear HI5STG with grey weapons and no talents

the builds really dont matter that much, people just like to really minmax

i think 100 free brain bursts per mission is good

even if 70 hit poxwalkers

[near wyvern]

Kinetic Flayer was useful before the update since BB kills generated warp charges. So either you got a big chunk off a bigger enemy or you got a warp charge, sometimes both. Also 15 rager packs and 6 crusher packs didn't exist back then.

[shrewd shard]

This is my staff rn but I want the flames one cause it seems cool and fun

[tulip kettle]

playu what you want dude

read the link i posted, our one and only pygex wrote it and its pretty damn good

[shrewd shard]

Yes I’ll check it out thank you

[orchid shadow]

15 second cooldown, on prolonged fights you get wasted procs on trash mobs. It's only real use was during the launch of Darktide when you needed constant BBs to keep up warp stacks. Now it's only reliable on initial engagements where you can properly choose your target before hand before the chaos starts.

[tulip kettle]

i again dont agree with these takes, but they arent wrong in what they are saying

[shrewd shard]

I just like seeing head go pops without having to equip BB

[summer prairie]

But pretty sure you've posted very high dmg trauma runs that didn't look off

[radiant sleet]

I'm nearly done my assail/void/shriek/true aim build in terms of rolling for gear

Does anyone have any recommendations for a fun build I can work towards while leveling a friend?

I'm fine with keeping assail, but I want to try a new staff/sword combo.

[plucky flax]

It could be higher.

[summer prairie]

uhuh

[tulip kettle]

purgatus and deimos

[plucky flax]

Not that I care damage number.

[summer prairie]

but like with same # of kills

[plucky flax]

I only care plasteels efficiency.

[tulip kettle]

KF is not as bad as everyone here makes out as long as you understand how it works

[summer prairie]

you should remove other sections

only plasteel, change the font too

[tulip kettle]

and you can reliably 1 shot trash

[plucky flax]

[radiant sleet]

That sounds fun + I already use deimos, but I'm guessing I want uncanny strike for this one? I use unstable power currently so I can 1 shot muties

[plucky flax]

But how can I shitpost with smite only.

[tulip kettle]

you only need + maniac on a good roll to 1 shot mutants

deimos is for killing elites not trash so uncanny is considered very good

my deimos is uncanny and unstable and its very powerful

[radiant sleet]

Mine is 77dmg, 25 maniac and it's legit like 1 hp off one shotting muties, it makes me depressed

[plucky flax]

Only very pro players use force swords without deflector.

[tulip kettle]

it will be first target or finesse you missing then

[plucky flax]

(not me)

[tulip kettle]

my 74 dmg deimos can 1 shot muties

i use deflector on illisi

no deflector on deimos

[tulip kettle]

that will be a very good deimos.

[radiant sleet]

This is mine, it only 1 shots if I have a tiny bit of peril

[haughty star]

It's okay warp resist is a little low bit that's fine

[plucky flax]

Spam some push attack.

[tulip kettle]

lol

you dont need warp res on FS

its a pretty fine deimos

[haughty star]

Depends on how you wanna use it lol

[plucky flax]

Don't need on deimos but for my playstyle I like high warp resist on illisi.

Since special on illisi is too good.

[haughty star]

The differance is like 4 percent to 24 percent on illyses lol

[tulip kettle]

agreed with this

[spice veldt]

as far as optimality is concerned, you don't need warp res on the deimos

[tulip kettle]

but deimos without deflector has no care for warp res

[plucky flax]

But sometimes I'm lazy and I just light spam on illisi.

Veri cool weapon.

[haughty star]

Yeah illyses is best force sword imo

[tulip kettle]

its just uses

illisi is great for clearing trash but bad at killing armour

[haughty star]

Illyses will one or two shot a crusher lol

[tulip kettle]

deimos bad at killing trash but great at killing armor

[radiant sleet]

So for the deimos I posted, assuming I want to keep deflector and use purgatus, should I just swap unstable power 4 --> uncanny 4?

[plucky flax]

Yeah mate put uncanny on that shit.

[tulip kettle]

i would say so

[plucky flax]

So you kill crushers fast.

[tulip kettle]

uncanny is rerally very good on deimos

[haughty star]

Uncanny good in general lol

[tulip kettle]

yeah for sure but its kind of less needed on illisi

if youre hitting trash on a good illisi it will die in 1 hit anyway

[haughty star]

I run slaughterer/uncanny on illyses and that thing fuckin slaps lol

[haughty star]

I would argue that uncanny is more necessary on illyses lol

[tulip kettle]

and if its crushers or maulers you should probably be blitzing / staffing

for, what?

im not using illi to fight anything in carapace

[plucky flax]

I don't run uncanny on illisi.

[tulip kettle]

and +25 flak is mandatory on it

[radiant sleet]

Sick, ill start farming out the blessing. Do people generally use BB for purg/deimos builds? Or can smite/assail work? Not a fan of bb but I'm trying to expand my horizons so ill use it if I should

[tulip kettle]

so yeah its kind of useless on illisi

[spice veldt]

you'd need a ~7x damage boost to one-shot a crusher assuming 100% ADMs or a ~3.5x damage boost for a two-shot

[haughty star]

You can one tap crushers and maulers with illyses if you have slaughter and uncanny procced

Don't sit there and theory craft lol it's literally doable

[plucky flax]

Yeah but I'd get shot without deflector.

[haughty star]

Fair

[tulip kettle]

lol telling arco "dont sit there and theory craft"

very good

[plucky flax]

I play illisi with trauma/surge so I can use my staff to kill crushers.

[tulip kettle]

10/10

[haughty star]

Deflector just cool in general

[spice veldt]

i'm skeptical unless you're referring to the special attacks which is not what i'd use for single targets anyways

[plucky flax]

Why would you not use special for single target?

[tulip kettle]

i wanna see an illisi 2 shot a damnation crusher

[haughty star]

Why would you not use special attack on it? Lmfao

[plucky flax]

Special is super cool against muties.

[tulip kettle]

plz show me

[spice veldt]

it's nice for mutants because there's some dead time where you're waiting for them to come

[haughty star]

Special with uncanny and slaughter will absolutely crush a crusher lmao

[spice veldt]

but in close range i'd rather have some free peril for safety and I'd be usually fighting clumps of melee elites where I'm spending a lot of time in close proximity during the fight

[tulip kettle]

show me

you say this, show me

[haughty star]

I don't have to show you I've seen it you haven't

[tulip kettle]

KEK

[haughty star]

You're the one disputing it lol

[tulip kettle]

who is this dude

im not the only one lol

[haughty star]

He even said through theory crafting that you need 300 percent damage increase to one tap heavy swing a crusher dipshit

[plucky flax]

With 5 stacks uncanny and 5 stacks slaughterer it feels to me very plasible to 2 shots special a crusher.

[haughty star]

Which with slaughter and uncanny and special alone you almost hitting

[tulip kettle]

he said 3.5x damage increase

will let you 2 hit it

not 1 hit

and thats with a pretty unachievable 350% damage increase

come on dude.

[haughty star]

You almost achieve that with the blessings and special charge alone

Are you dense?

[spice veldt]

at least in my head, I don't see where you can get that much of a damage bump but I was only considering normal attacks

[tulip kettle]

bro youre sitting here telling me illisi is good for fighting crushers

[spice veldt]

since a special heavy is only ~100 more damage than a normal heavy assuming 100% ADMs

[haughty star]

Isn't powered just a straight 100 percent power gib?

[west fjord]

I just tried with mine, it ain't doing it

[haughty star]

And it's power so it's multiplicative

[spice veldt]

the special attack is basically it's own thing

it doesn't confer any power bonus as the terminology is used in the game, as far as I understand

[plucky flax]

Special heavy a crusher with both at 5 stacks. How much hp does it have left?

[tame venture]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1196339431523745822/image.png?ex=65b744eb&is=65a4cfeb&hm=a7cbb3e55fbd01d21fb73c108e412477d1fd55297f96fb763ec5a9707cbb6cda&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1301&height=545

man, i feel really dumb. i thought this was the aim down sights one, not the cowboy revolver. changed sustained fire to surgical and stamina to flak. it feels alright, but i'm disapointed that it wasn't what i was expecting ngl.
i mostly bought it for the handcannon blessing, which i later heard isn't actually all that important.

does surgical even do much for agri revolver anyway?

[tulip kettle]

i would eat hand cannon off of that but thats just me

[tame venture]

i think i plan to at some point

[haughty star]

Hand cannon is super important lol objectively more important than the type of critical blessing itself lol

[tame venture]

but for now that's the only revolver i have on any character lole

[tulip kettle]

anyway, illisi is for hordes and deimos is for elites

[haughty star]

But yeah argri revolver is basically garbage for anyone but vet

[vocal cliff]

It's as useful as a wet floor sign in the middle of a flooded room

[tulip kettle]

can you use one on the other? sure.

is it good to do so? no, definitely not

[haughty star]

Literally Noone was saying this isn't the case but keep gaslighting, nerd

[tulip kettle]

gtfo you absolute tool

[zinc phoenix]

How do you handle nurgle blessing crusher? Other than being massively superior to us mere mortals of course 😂

[tulip kettle]

you were saying hurr durr my illisi one shots crushers

[haughty star]

https://tenor.com/view/warriors-curry-salty-salt-bae-gif-9632449

[tulip kettle]

oddball, i seen you say a few times

about nurgles blessing

[plucky flax]

Oh I run away from those guys.

[spice veldt]

at least doing some napkin math, you can two-shot a crusher/mauler using the special-heavy with perfect timing, malefic momentum, slaughterer, uncanny strike, and warp rider

[tulip kettle]

it doesnt make enemies unstaggerable though

[spice veldt]

~2k damage

[zinc phoenix]

Because if you building for mael you have to have a plan for them and they are unstaggerable with trauma

[plucky flax]

With surge it's alright to just slowly surge them down. Trauma kinda tickle green crushers.

[spice veldt]

oh wait perfect timing is like 15% but it's close nuff

[tame venture]

https://youtu.be/udmTdHj_cCU

i've been basing things off of this guy's info and idk if he says it in this video, but he claims that HC isn't that important

[tulip kettle]

yeah i was just asking why you mention that but i hate trauma and basrely use it so i wouldnt know

[zinc phoenix]

Well good to know I have the elite strats down 😂

[west fjord]

1542 per swing, crusher has 3600 in damn, 516 left. That's with 6 warp charges

[plucky flax]

This one has me soloing a few crushers with green boi included.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8JgIjm1FOI

[spice veldt]

prob could do it with some perfect timing and malefic momentum stacks if you didn't have them up

[plucky flax]

It's slow but it works.

[haughty star]

I just said it because I've done it before lol I don't sit there and crunch numbers or sit in psychaneum about it lol

[tulip kettle]

but i see people say nurgles blessing makes things unstaggerable and im like, no it doesnt

right but you are in psyker chat where people actually know this stuff

[spice veldt]

i mean i was only considering normal attacks in my original comment

if it was special attacks, then I could've seen how you can two-shot them

[haughty star]

Dude quit being antagonistic. It's toxic

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah that’s what I do, shoot and scoot until they’re all dead. Had a clutch with 3 down in carnival where I just kept running loops in the main area like Benny Hill slowly whittling down the mob

[tulip kettle]

lol gtfo

[spice veldt]

but you're not one-shotting them with the illisi regardless

[haughty star]

What about crits?

Or does the special ignore crit?

[spice veldt]

crits are ~1.4x damage on the special

[plucky flax]

Aye use ledges to your advantage.

[haughty star]

Oh nice

[tame venture]

well, you get one stack the instant you brace, and a second a tiny moment later.
i don't stack up to full for each shot, just 'hard ADS' for a mag and fire at things i see

[zinc phoenix]

I love getting revenge by barreling the baddies off a ledge

[plucky flax]

Man I miss infinite dodges.

[spice veldt]

illisi's special has a lower finesse multiplier in exchange for maintaining its full finesse multipliers for the first three targets hit

[zinc phoenix]

Obesefish giveth and obesefish taketh awayeth

[radiant sleet]

How fun do you find illisi/surge/smite? I'm debating trying it out instead of purg/deimos/whatever blitz but I'm indecisive

[haughty star]

Funny math aside the hand cannon is the differance between one shot damnation crusher and not

[plucky flax]

Imo it's the most power to ease of play build.

You don't need to do much and can output crazy damage with auto aim staff and blitz.

Also surge is not the hardest to craft a good one.

[zinc phoenix]

It’s such a nice build

[tame venture]

how does applying rending when something has been shot help the shot that applies it?
it would only effect the 2nd shot, no?

[zinc phoenix]

Altho having to staff left click for long range is pain

[radiant sleet]

That sounds kinda nice, because I normally play the assail/void/shriek build (I know you play it as well) and it's so good but also kinda sweaty with having to aim voidstrike

[haughty star]

No it applies to the critical hit itself

[plucky flax]

Yeah hence why when I play that build I use assail way more.

[haughty star]

At least that's how it was explained to me

[plucky flax]

I already do too much aiming with trauma I just want to chill when playing other staves.

[near wyvern]

Let's be honest. The nerf was well deserved. I got a good meme clips from it tho.

[tame venture]

that doesn't sound all that certain ngl 😂

[plucky flax]

They could have given force swords long dodge like knife though.

They said they'd give us knife mobility.

[haughty star]

I like surge/smite for my psyker on stupid hard missions

[plucky flax]

But what they meant is 5 dodges.

Well I guess deimos has a bit longer dodge.

[haughty star]

I'm sure @near wyvern can confirm

Handcannon is the differance between a dead crusher and a not one at least on revolver vet

[near wyvern]

We have two knives at home!

[haughty star]

That with critical obvs

[near wyvern]

Hand cannon is applied on the crit yes. Also applied on assail crits if you pull out the revolver before the crit shards land.

That is

Crits have rending

[tame venture]

weapon/skill interactions like that ngl are a bit of just a broken interaction

[haughty star]

Can revolver psyker one tap crushers?

[near wyvern]

Might be but that's how they calculate all damage, based on currently active buffs etc. So DOTs get affected by current weapon perks and buffs as well.

[near wyvern]

No

[haughty star]

I don't know without all the weak spot passive and shit

Awe

[timid orchid]

is this worth upgrading or does the low charge rate kinda screw it over?

[haughty star]

Sadge

[near wyvern]

Well

Haven't tried with 30 stacks of DD

But that's unsustainable

Under realistic circumstances

[haughty star]

Cuz I think it's all the weak spot shit on vet that really seals it isn't it?

That and specialist and elite damage and all the other yummy passive perks vet has to offer

[plucky flax]

They made it sound like knife was the only weapon with 5 dodges. I read that and thought "Oh yeah nice we lose infinite dodges but we'll get long dodge."

[near wyvern]

Vet has a lot of damage modifiers here and there, the biggest one being the tag "this target takes 40% more damage now"

[plucky flax]

Damn bastards.

[tame venture]

scryer's and DD tho

[near wyvern]

No, it was we loose infinite dodges but get more offensive power instead

[haughty star]

Vets are infinite

[tulip kettle]

its not unusable

[tame venture]

just get kills and have ability cooldown

[haughty star]

They just are lol no strings attached

[tulip kettle]

especially with flurry

[plucky flax]

Tru I really liked the illisi cleave buff.

[tulip kettle]

but it will suffer somewhat for sure

[plucky flax]

But muh dodges

[near wyvern]

Yeah haven't tried but requires you to:

• stack DD high up 10 seconds before the crusher
• time your gaze around 10 seconds before the crusher

So even if it worked it's not very practical and on demand

[tame venture]

well you should pretty much always have DD stacked up, no?

[haughty star]

Veteran- Aim: Shoot

Thank the gods for your 50 percent critical chance working

[tulip kettle]

good luck

[timid orchid]

aight, thanks.

[tame venture]

🤷‍♂️ i have most of my stacks most of the time

[near wyvern]

They gotta make DD wear out stack by stack

[tame venture]

maybe not 100% of em 100% of the time but mostly mostly

[tulip kettle]

yeah i dont think thats actually true

[near wyvern]

Otherwise ain't gonna happen that often

[tame venture]

yeah, i hope so too. but you only have to touch the glowing guy to refresh

[near wyvern]

Like currently there is no reason to go for 30 stack upgrade

[tulip kettle]

DD is way too buggy for that to be reliable

[near wyvern]

Because you will not get there

[radiant sleet]

@plucky flax do you use wildfire in your smite/surge/illisi setup? And also what keystone? Sorry to be bothersome

[tame venture]

yeah the 30 stacks isn't anywhere as reliable as 2x lifespan

i don't base anything off em

[tulip kettle]

then you get to an elvataor

lose all your stacks

spend the next 2 minutes maybe getting to max

then get in the elevator again

[near wyvern]

DD is really only for the highlight and roughness gen. The stacks are additional bonus.

[tame venture]

it takes you 2 minutes to shoot gunners?

[tulip kettle]

lol

shoot gunners

you have a version of DD where you choose what it highlights?

[plucky flax]

I do and I use warp charges.

[tulip kettle]

teach me how

[plucky flax]

Build at the very start
https://youtu.be/-2bFmK73DjE

[near wyvern]

The highlighted target is not always the one that poses the biggest threat to you so chasing blues is not good for your survival

[tame venture]

gunners are like, #2 priority for it's highlight

[strange vault]

What enemies are dregs exactly?

[radiant sleet]

Ty

[tame venture]

the specific mob, yeah, but generally you should be killing them anyway

[near wyvern]

Mine is better and actually unlimited

[plucky flax]

True I don't run battle med.

I don't use smite that much actually.

Just spam surge and call it a day.

[near wyvern]

Yellow

[tulip kettle]

It requires you to play badly in order to maintain your stacks, making you target random trash mobs that someone else is dealing with already instead of high-priority specials.

Sometimes, it marks enemies that are behind a wall, or ambient enemies that have not even noticed your party yet, forcing you into a bad position or making you pull additional enemies if you want to keep up the stacks.

Sometimes the target just randomly switches, or a teammate kills your marked enemy, making you lose all your stacks.

When another Psyker brings warpfire into the mission, it is literally impossible to tell which target is the one you are supposed to be shooting.

The stacks don't decay over time like with Warp Charges, you lose all at once instead.

pulled straight from a reddit post but generally accurate

and more flaws besides

such as, sometimes ther highlighted target is bugged and doesnt get highlighted

[strange vault]

Huh

[tulip kettle]

sometimes it wont target an enemy at all even though there are valid markable targets available

[tawny jetty]

What's your thinking on curios? Looked like 2 health 1 toughness? Wouldn't 2 toughness help prevent hp damage?

[tulip kettle]

if the enemy is yellow its a dreg

[strange vault]

Gotcha ty ty

[plucky flax]

In my opinion curious are too personal to give a definite answer to. For my playstyle I feel comfortable around 250-ish hp.

[tulip kettle]

love this reply

[plucky flax]

If I play with Closer to 200 I'd be too scared to play my best.

[tulip kettle]

i recently started running a +3 stam curio on psyker after being shown a mechanic that is broken imo

[tame venture]

"killing gunners is bad" then?

[tulip kettle]

omg gtfo fleen

[plucky flax]

Some people do better with toughness, some with hp. I don't even care if one run wound (wouldn't be my choice). But I would never flame someone for running whatever curious set up they use.

[tulip kettle]

its bad for many reasons and i explained why

if it highlights the gunner, cool

but now it highlighted the scab upstairs that isnt moving

what do you do?

lose your stacks.

[plucky flax]

Zealot chat hates toughness regen perks on curios. I personally run 3x of that. (both on zealot and psyker)

[tame venture]

You copy pasted someone else's explanation

[tawny jetty]

Thanks. What toughness level are you comfortable with?

[tulip kettle]

lol and added my own, and so what if i did i cba to type it all myself

[tame venture]

Man acts like DD stacks are the same as shred stacks

[plucky flax]

I try to get around 110. For vet and ogryn they have a lot of toughness damage reduction. So I run a bit more toughness on those 2 guys.

[tulip kettle]

that is how it works

that is specifically how it works

[plucky flax]

I rarely play vet and ogryn though. Not the best at them.

[tame venture]

Shred stacks expire the moment you don't hit an enemy

[plucky flax]

Me zealot and psyker main.

[tulip kettle]

and DD loses all stacks as soon as you dont kill the marked target on time

[tame venture]

DD stacks take like, 30secs, and refresh if any of your damage touches them

[tulip kettle]

right, and as i said

[tame venture]

Any damage

[tulip kettle]

now it marks an enemy in the room above you

[tame venture]

Smite a crowd for a sec

And you good

[tulip kettle]

the enemy is 10 metres away in a straight line but 2 minutes of running

you lose your stacks

it picks an enemy far away and you are being pressured

[tame venture]

"it takes me 2minutes to kill a single trash mob as the most op class!"

[tulip kettle]

you make space and manouvre to damage the target

[tame venture]

Sounds like there's a common issue here

[tulip kettle]

a team mate kills it

you lose your stacks

[zinc phoenix]

You’re a zealot?

This is the psyker channel

[plucky flax]

Don't be afraid to experience yourself. Even changing up the builds too. People always flame me for taking wildfire but idk it's kinda cracked.

[tulip kettle]

ofc you get flamed for taking wildfire

[plucky flax]

[tulip kettle]

not taking only the most META and strongest talents deserves all the flame and a ban

[zinc phoenix]

Wildfire good actually, fight me

[tulip kettle]

you could have 5% toughness damage reduction instead of that wildfire!

[tame venture]

Wildfire is just sadge

[plucky flax]

5% is so shit for 1 talent point.

[tulip kettle]

haha dude i know

[tame venture]

It deals 100dps fire

[plucky flax]

Even on ogryn I don't take any toughness damage reduction node.

[tame venture]

That's just so sad

[plucky flax]

Don't post this in their channel.

[tulip kettle]

i take KF in a build where the only other option is 5% tdr or 15 toughness

[plucky flax]

[mental rock]

My ogryn with 3 10% toughness dr nodes

[plucky flax]

15 toughness is good.

[tulip kettle]

but its awful for me to do that!

[plucky flax]

It's equal to 3 perks.

[tulip kettle]

lol yes im not saying its bad dude

but im saying i can choose to sacrifice 15 toughness for KF if i want

and thats fine

[plucky flax]

I liked kinetic flayer pre 13 when it gave you a free warp charge.

Now it's sus.

[tulip kettle]

look im not trying

toi start another KF discussion

im just saying i support you

[plucky flax]

It's good for monsters maelstrom though.

[tulip kettle]

iin taking talents that other people dont like

[plucky flax]

Since you'd be getting free damage on those weakened monsters.

[tame venture]

https://youtu.be/CTojoB0F_lM
Anyway, explanation on how DD works

[tulip kettle]

if you can justify why you want it

[plucky flax]

I never run it I don't have enough points.

I want to run ee too but also don't have enough points.

Wildfire takes priority.

[hollow cargo]

hello fellow psykers

i need help

my psyker's not psyking how i want 'em to

[tulip kettle]

love the way in the video you linked the first thing is a bug

very cool

and then about team mates stealing

like, yes they do, and he even tries to gloss this in the video

you dont gain a stack on damaging an enemy

you just reset the stack

you need to kill it to gain the stack

so yes, they do steal your stacks

[hollow cargo]

which dueling sword has a mostly horizontal light pattern

[tulip kettle]

and finally, the priority system can very easily screw you, when it chooses to highlight the unaggroed rager on the floor above you minutes through the level away instead of the scab just down the corridor

DD being buggy and awkward to use is not a "skill issue", its a buggy and awkward to use mechanic

[near wyvern]

with good enough roll you might actually be able to do it with just the 30 stacks from DD and the +5% ranged damage node, some peril or pop scrier's and it happens for sure but very unrealistic scenario given how DD stacks drop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4jAstvM2Us

[zinc phoenix]

DD should be rerolled to work like exe stance

[tulip kettle]

remove the 1 stack limit, allow it to highlight one enemy per second with the highlight lasting up to 30 seconds or the enemies death, boom it would be awesome

[zinc phoenix]

It should light up every instance of X class and let you nail it for good boy bux

But like randomize which class for funsies

So one minute it’s all ranged, next minute it’s all rager

[tulip kettle]

i would use that for fun

[zinc phoenix]

Well the downside is once again col IAG will get highest value 😂

[merry musk]

psyker are cool :)

[haughty star]

Just make the stack fall off every 15 like warp siphon and boom its balanced

[rare arrow]

I have never played with DD

Though I’ve never played gunker, not really anyways

[near wyvern]

Or even like 5 seconds after the initial 15 seconds and duration doubler increases this to 10 and 30 secs

[plucky flax]

Me too noob for complicated mechanics. Just make dd same as piety. Any kill within range gives stack.

Why zealot can get loads of free crit chance but some extra damage is too much for psyker and has to be unlocked via crappy mechanic.

[haughty star]

Can't have it all man.

I would love to have ticklefingers on my zealot instead of a useless grenade, a grenade that takes a bunch of perks I don't wanna get to get to or fucking knives

[midnight jolt]

is toughness regen speed still relevant?

[haughty star]

You never regen toughness when taking damage

I'm unknowledgeable and probably have a lot of hot takes or shit opinions but to me it's not worth over resistance

Most will say aside from a +3stam curios are 100 percent subjective

[radiant sleet]

Flame grenade is awesome in a premade group if you take the blazing piety crit boost for the group. My Zealot friend does this, we let some poxwalkers stand in the fire, he uses chorus and boom as a psyker I now have extra 5% crit and 20% damage

Def takes some coordination though

Throw a stim in there too and its some crazy levels of damage

[rare arrow]

Aside from the healing stim, I don’t know that I’ve even used stuns

[radiant sleet]

Combat/cooldown one are both great overall, celerity is specifically really nice for assail I find

[haughty star]

I use the cool down one when ever I can on my vet cuz it's basically a guaranteed minute of overheal for me and my team lol

Voc is like the thing that vet needed imo

[zinc phoenix]

Nobody does but they’re pretty solid if you remember to chug em

[upper sun]

OK 76 is the real +3 stamina right?

[hot zephyr]

Yes, buy the 76

[upper sun]

thanks finally got something good in the store

[hot zephyr]

Now just pray for at least one good perk

[upper sun]

well cross that bridge when we get to it

(i have 100 platsteel)

[hot zephyr]

Yup, couple runs and you'll be golden

[marble crater]

Is that good enough to try fire trauma?

[upper sun]

i mean its cheaper than blunts

[hot zephyr]

it's good enough to try to make a fire trauma. Fire trauma requires not just godroll base stats, but also perfect/lucky perks and blessing rolls

[upper sun]

if you're missing blessings and wanna roll for them buying from the store isnt a bad idea since the stuff there is cheaper than blunts

[marble crater]

We will try, what's the worst that Hadron can do to it, right?

[upper sun]

dont ask

never ask that

[hot zephyr]

Yup, just be aware that almost every other day someone comes in this chat trying to make a fire trauma, and they drop 1 million ordos dockets and 10000 plasteel and still don't get one

Fire Trauma is incredibly hard to make

[upper sun]

oh? whats this? a 380 illisi sword with t4 flak? I'm sure you want a level 1 quell peril blessing :)))))

as for the second perk you want t1 crit damage right: ))

[marble crater]

I know it's hard to make and ironically the trauma staff I use now is basically perfect for it, and I think I could have made it perfect with perks and blessings, but I didn't know about it back then, it's really really sad

[hot zephyr]

That's a very nice trauma tho. I'm trying to make myself a flurry/shockwave one myself these days.

[upper sun]

man i didnt even get one good thing in mine

[marble crater]

Me neither with the one I bought now

[hot zephyr]

That's redeemable, can put sustained -> flurry and groaners -> flak and be decent

[upper sun]

maybe right now im upgrading anything i get with 375+ rating and seeing what i can salvage next

[hot zephyr]

Melk gave me a perfect base for a flurry/shockwave truama the other day, cost me 3k melkbucks, but now I gotta get myself a level 3 or 4 rending shockwave blessing to eat so I can fix it up

[upper sun]

i hope he has something good tomorrow i have 5.5k with nothing to spend them on

[marble crater]

Would even a non god roll trauma still be good enough to play fire trauma with? Like how bad is still good enough to not be a burden to the team

[upper sun]

I have this

but its REALLY bad

[marble crater]

The cloud radius is, yeah

[hot zephyr]

I can't honestly say, as I don't know first hand. But my understanding is that the two important base stats and the two blessings have to be there for it to even function correctly

Here's the trauma I'll be fixing up once I get a shockwave blessing to eat

[upper sun]

nice

im still really bad with the truama staff so i kinda avoid it

[plucky flax]

Just simply be me smh.

[marble crater]

Blessings of course, otherwise it won't work, but even without a crit chance perk it should still work, just not as well. Same with charge rate and radius, sure you want them maxed out, but surely the staff is not garbage if the stats are at 75 or something

[plucky flax]

Anyway you don't need top tier maxed out blaze trauma. But you can FEEL it once you get one.

It's a very good feeling~.

Sadly there are maybe like <20 all 80% damage stats blaze trauma out there.

[analog agate]

You want max/near max charge rate, nexus 4 (I guess 3), spirit 3, crit chance perk. Those are mandatory to have a functioning blaze trauma, in the sense of killing things at a decent pace.

I was using unarmored for a long time instead of flak and was perfectly useable. Dmg stat doesn’t matter much on it too.

[wind spruce]

The crit chance is not mandatory for it to be "functioning". There's a decent argument to not even pick it up and go for maniacs and flak instead. One shotting trappers is very good utility.

[wheat seal]

one psyker flaming me when I have 80 score and he had 92 lol

[paper loom]

Daft question, if I want columnus blessings do I have to search for that only or will ALL autogun blessings share a pool?

[past brook]

who the heck uses the score stat as a basis for anything?

[analog agate]

In terms of trying to crit as much as possible that is why I think it is more “mandatory” than maniac/flak. If we are going by actual mandatory for a functioning blaze trauma you just want a high charge rate and then blaze blessing

[wind spruce]

Nah the crit blessing is mandatory or your crit chance is sub 20%

[wind spruce]

You should be flamed if you're judging performance off of score

[wind spruce]

All autoguns share just like all tac axes, combat blades, duelling swords

[analog agate]

Yeah, I agree. It all depends on our definition of mandatory haha

[paper loom]

Ahh that's great ty columnus never appears that's handy

[wind spruce]

Well, yeah, but it's very reasonable to say the 5-20% crit upgrade is a lot more mandatory than the 5% crit upgrade

[analog agate]

Agreed

[wind spruce]

Especially as the alternatives don't compare for actual choices

Were as there is a genuine argument for an alternative perk (maniacs)

[analog agate]

As we are now outside of the mandatory argument, I don’t see the niche instances of maniac dmg trumping extra crit. Then again, I haven’t tried it.

I can though. Looks like my crit chance is my reroll possibility for my staff

[wind spruce]

Dealing with the most dangerous enemy in the game isn't niche, though

[analog agate]

Never had a problem with trappers (killing them or knocking them down to me to do a poke). 🤷‍♂️

[wind spruce]

One shotting them with a full charge is very nice

[analog agate]

Agreed. It still happens with max charges for me.

[wind spruce]

Maniacs makes it happen every single time, not just on crit

But yeah, not mandatory

[analog agate]

To answer his question, the blessing are mandatory for a blaze trauma staff and for it to not feel like absolute crap you want high charge rate/blast radius.

Everything else can be wishy washy

[marble crater]

So we can potentially save a lot of dockets

[plucky flax]

Uh no.

Sell your soul.

So you might one day attain legendary blaze trauma status like mine.

[analog agate]

I did. It cost me months of earning dockets

[marble crater]

I will settle for epic status for now, I still need a few other builds I want to try and make

[bright yoke]

what website is this?

[analog agate]

Pinned post. It is the steam guide from Pygex

[wind spruce]

Blast radius is dump?!? Does it not effect the main orb size, or just the splash?

[near wyvern]

You can still technically one shot with +maniac and enough buffs (like a full battery) you just gotta do heavy info special which chains so fast it's essentially a one shot

[torpid girder]

is surge/smite/chainsword shield psyker a viable build?

[wind spruce]

Every build is viable

[near wyvern]

Just not optimal

[torpid girder]

Well what would be an optimal build?

[near wyvern]

Define what you are after. I would start by changing that melee choice, you are lacking horde damage so Illisi.

[wind spruce]

Or run + specialist damage like my sword for blaze trauma

[torpid girder]

Mostly just something to easily clear ranged hordes and then smite to stun cara hordes ig? I'm not really sure

[near wyvern]

You talking about Deimos or DS4? Cause I am talking about DS4

[wind spruce]

My bad was talking Ds4

[near wyvern]

If you want to go with surge and smite, I recommend to pair it with venting shreik using creeping flames and then fill our warp siphon.

If you wanna go with shield against ranged gameplay I would recommend using a Voidstrike staff instead.

[wind spruce]

I can't read this early in the morning lel

[torpid girder]

hmm okay

What melee would I pair with shield and voidstrike?

[near wyvern]

You have pretty much three options defined by how well you handle yourself.

The safest option is Illisi force sword. Good defence, good horde clear but a bit slow on mobility.

Then you have two more aggressive choices which also bring in a lot more mobility, either Duelling Sword 4 which is the "all around" king of Psyker melee weapons or then Knife 6 for full on mobility stick with decent monstrosity damage as well.

[torpid girder]

Ooh okay

Okay, so what would a godroll voidstrike and DS4 look like?

[wind spruce]

100 in every stat

[near wyvern]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

[torpid girder]

oh wow i didn't know there was a psykernomicon

[plucky flax]

That'll be 20 bucks thank you.

[tulip kettle]

youre talking to the dude who wrote it 😄

on voidstrike you are looking for 80 in damage then as high as possible for the others, with blast radius being the dump stat

then perks and blessings are preference based but i think most people say surge and warp nexus 4 is the stronmgest

with carapace and flak

i prefer peril transfer and flurry

[near wyvern]

Transfer Peril is not really needed, quell cancel at full flurry will get the job done while giving you huge crit bonus through nexus, which gives you extra +15% damage through perfect timing as well

[tulip kettle]

transfer is much more forgiving though

[torpid girder]

I think i have a decent voidstrike now but i ran out of dockets to get a good melee

[near wyvern]

Dockets are easy, it's the Plasteel you need

[torpid girder]

Dockets are easy but my brunt luck is... so horrible

[tulip kettle]

hahaha

[torpid girder]

Ig i'll farm dockets on my other characters

[brisk grove]

another staff that's not fixable, i don't think i've even seen 378 base power level before

[tulip kettle]

that only happens to you man

[torpid girder]

I used up all my weapon luck on my ogryn 💔

[tulip kettle]

everyone else get god rolls from brunt and the perfect blessings from Hadron every time

[near wyvern]

I have dumped a million to get a decent gun at Brunt. I have also dumped 9600 dockets or so at Brunt to get an almost god roll knife 6. RNG, gotta hate it.

[radiant sleet]

Mine is okay, blast could be lower but oh well

[tulip kettle]

theres a guy whos always in the LFG with a level 1200 zealot who spent 30 mill on a crucis THammer

[near wyvern]

This is very fine

[torpid girder]

on my vet i've dumped millions of dockets and consecrated 20 power swords to get a decent one... none of them even had any rank of power cycler :(

so i gave up and just got a decent dc4

[brisk grove]

worth

[torpid girder]

I wanna get a good enough psyker build now but it'll probs be a while

[near wyvern]

You even have the natural nexus so you can go back and forth with surge and flurry

[tulip kettle]

i got power cycler 4 on my first power sword 😄

[torpid girder]

I'll buy it from you 🥺

[worldly night]

Welp it finally happened, I played a Damnation game where a Psyker only spammed Smite and Bubble

[near wyvern]

Sadge

[worldly night]

Not that it wasn't useful but felt like everyone else had to clear the rooms

[near wyvern]

If you only wanna spam smite you gotta do it the proper way

[worldly night]

I was a psyker but didn't mention anything

[tulip kettle]

dont you want to watch the pox do the thriller for 50 seconds?

[worldly night]

He would smite a mutant that was face to face with him lol

[near wyvern]

https://youtu.be/yrOmLUfNMw4

You can almost feel the sweat

From that elite pressure

900 IQ engaging gameplay

[tulip kettle]

hahaha im just watching your warp charges

go from 0 to 6 in an instant

as you look lazily at the floor holding rmb

[midnight jolt]

why the fk I keep getting transfer peril on concecrate !!!!

[worldly night]

12 Trauma staffs and counting, no Blazing Spirit blessing #cope

[tulip kettle]

above is my meta voidstrike, but i genuinely get on better with this one

i blow up once every 7-8 games with the top one by missing pressing R a single time

[torpid girder]

are the duelling swords good enough for horde clear?

[tulip kettle]

never once blew up with the bottom one

[torpid girder]

Or are they specifically singletarget

[tulip kettle]

take an illisi for horde clear

imo

[worldly night]

I thought IV was the best dueling sword

Illisi is not dueling but still a great sword, almost like the Vet's power sword

[frail harness]

Light spam on IV is great

[tulip kettle]

4 is the most popular one for sure

but i think illisi is just much stronger horde clear

[near wyvern]

They can somewhat deal with horde but if you have to solo a horde you will be stuck at push attack light light repeat limbo wich is 100% safe with kinetic deflection but a bit slow

Duelling swords are more single target oriented but can somewhat deal with horde

[zinc phoenix]

Imagine using a dueling sword like some blunt

When you could be using a force sword and quellin like a felon

[tulip kettle]

first thing oddball said i agreed with XD

[near wyvern]

Yes Illisi is the meta for horde clear melee

[prime elk]

I only take illisi because I like stroking her

[near wyvern]

Ahh... I miss patch 13 when devil's claw was more efficient than Illisi. Activate gaze and cut down enemies like grass.

That lasted way too short of a time

[tulip kettle]

is there any reason to use any cata sword that isnt mk 4?

on any character

[worldly night]

Style

[near wyvern]

Currently devil's claw is not worth it over Illisi

Unless you want to flex on plogryn

[tulip kettle]

i mean if you really value parry

[midnight jolt]

Proof of why I need more plasteel, feel free to use these as your thesis material

[tulip kettle]

thats why i take it on any character tbh, for the parry

[zinc phoenix]

I use blessed 7 on my vet, the classiest of options

[tulip kettle]

can i ask why?

[zinc phoenix]

Parry is god tier

[tulip kettle]

doesnt that one not have an accessible strikedown?

[zinc phoenix]

And the move set is nice

[near wyvern]

You should have seen my face when I tried to parry a mauler overhead but a poxwalker hit me first

[tulip kettle]

i mean i just know you are the guy to ask this

how long exactly is thew window between parries

because i have been charged by 8 ragers, spammed parry and walked away unscathed

[near wyvern]

Too long (coming from Mordhau)

[zinc phoenix]

Parry spanking ragers never gets old

[near wyvern]

It's basically the duration of the animation

Until the sword starts moving away from your face

And at that point you can dodge

And you are 100% safe even on an early parry

[midnight jolt]

Devil's claw next experiment, got it 😂

[tulip kettle]

yeah i noticed that like

mistimingg parry is barely punished

oh no a bit more stamina

[near wyvern]

The only way to fuck if up is to get hit by something you didn't expect

Also you can animation cancel the after blow / after swing animation into the parry

[prime elk]

Tbh wouldn’t mind if they nerfed the parry duration a bit

It really is excessively long

[worldly night]

Can parry work on Crusher's overhead?

[tulip kettle]

yesa

[worldly night]

Cool

[tulip kettle]

works on everything

literally everything

[prime elk]

With kinetic deflection and +3 stamina and low peril

[tulip kettle]

ruin a DH day with it

[prime elk]

I haven’t tested it elsewhere

[worldly night]

You can be like Obi Wan Kenobi

[tulip kettle]

plague ogryns do nothing but kill themsleves against devils claw

[radiant sleet]

Catachan is such a nice sword for leveling too, my entire group has used it just while learning the game

[tulip kettle]

i only like the mk4

[radiant sleet]

Yeah we all used mk4 as well

[tulip kettle]

because the H1 overhead 1 hits random trash

[prime elk]

Chaos spawn too

[ornate hamlet]

The mk1 gave me an aneurysm and the other one starting on a sweep heavy was ugh

I do wish the parry had a better carapace modifier

Even if you perfect parry an overhead you still got way too many times doing it again

I would not think perfect parry having 100% ADM would be too much to ask

Waiting for a crusher overhead, timing it exactly for a parry, it should reward that massive risk

Specially when you often deal with other shit besides the crusher

[prime elk]

It needs SOME draw backs lol

The parry is a hard counter to nearly every other melee attack in the game

[ornate hamlet]

At least the perfect parry should slap crushers

[prime elk]

Your reward for perfect part against a crusher is not being smushed like a bug

[wind spruce]

Squish face

[lethal lagoon]

Not only is the blast radius the dump, it's even good to have it lower beause it can fuck up hitboxes like the nurgles and make you miss weakspots.

[wind spruce]

Oh damn

[lethal lagoon]

I'm not even sure if blast radius would be good on a meme blazing voidstrike

[wind spruce]

What perks are we considering BiS for void?

Unyielding crit for a surge void?

Carapace seems like bait

[ornate hamlet]

Carapace allows one-shots, I think?

[wind spruce]

Yeah but illiterallt one enemy

[ornate hamlet]

A very big one

[lethal lagoon]

Flaky Carpy

Is what I run

I'm not a huge fan of voidstrike though

The playstyle isn't fo rme

[ornate hamlet]

The hitbox annoys the shit out of me, but bowling is fun

[lethal lagoon]

The dopamine rush of a strike is well put into the game, no question.

[wind spruce]

Everyone says flak unnecessary but I do like it for gunners. Don't need a full charge if you've got flak

[lethal lagoon]

I think flak is unnecessary if you play perfectly, but that's obviously unrealistic.

[wind spruce]

Killing gunners with 2/3 charge is big

or

[lethal lagoon]

I'd personally run the first

I'd prefer default carpace > 4% crit, cause true aim is just wild on voidstrike

[wind spruce]

fair

ima just run back columnus IAG kek

[ionic sorrel]

Columnus is my favorite staff too.

[wanton lagoon]

whats the difference between the force swords

and is there a better one or like

style

[prime elk]

Deimos is good at single target, illisi is good at horde clear

[wanton lagoon]

what aer good stats for surge staff?

like the dump

[prime elk]

There isn’t really one

[wanton lagoon]

uhhh

ok

[wanton lagoon]

would it be wise to use like surge staff for horde and deimos fo single target situations

[prime elk]

Tbh surge is more for single targets too

[wanton lagoon]

is there a dummp stat fo illisi

[prime elk]

Cc is limited and the damage is concentrated on what you’re aiming

[wanton lagoon]

i see

[prime elk]

Uhhh prob mobility if it has that stat

[wanton lagoon]

it does

[marble crater]

Surge is weird, whenever I use it I feel utterly useless

[wanton lagoon]

what perks?

[lethal lagoon]

Crit bonus is the least useful stat, but you don't want it super low or anything.

[wanton lagoon]

maniak/flak other classes but im on yt and i see some ppl running crit

[marble crater]

For the surge or illisi?

[wanton lagoon]

i litereally just got this now

[lethal lagoon]

weakspot -> flak, barrage -> flurry

[wanton lagoon]

and this is the best sword i got -_-

[lethal lagoon]

Carpace isn't ideal, but more crusher damage never hurt no one.

[marble crater]

It hurts the crusher

[wanton lagoon]

what do you mean by this

[lethal lagoon]

To make your surge staff better

[wanton lagoon]

ohh yes thank you

[lethal lagoon]

It's a pretty good staff.

[wanton lagoon]

i dont have flurry but

[wanton lagoon]

what about the sword?

just upgrade for now and scap later for blessings?

[wind spruce]

Sword is ok, first target is low but it'll suffice

[wanton lagoon]

k ill just keep it now get a beter on later

i just ate through 300k gold for those 2 weapons

[lethal lagoon]

I mean neither are your "forever weapons", I'd test both out in game before commiting more resources to that playstyle

Here's probably the most basic bitch surge build avaiable if you need help in that direction

[wanton lagoon]

ok thanks

what curio secondaries?

other classes love toughnes regen

is that tue for psycker?

[wind spruce]

Always combat ability regen

[lethal lagoon]

Toughness regen is decent, but keep in mind it's multiplicative so 90% or nothing.

Gunner and sniper DR is great on basically every class

[marble crater]

Do you really need combat ability cooldown when running with warp charges?

[wanton lagoon]

ok

[wind spruce]

Well think of it this way

It's 3.4 seconds off

[wanton lagoon]

and what am i running?

[wind spruce]

Of about 15s if u have warp charges

[wanton lagoon]

double health toughness?

[wind spruce]

Yeet

[lethal lagoon]

I like 1 hp 2 toughness with Surge/smite. It really doesn't matter that much though.

[wanton lagoon]

how do i play this build? should i use right click smite?

[wind spruce]

Spam surge whole game

Easy win

[lethal lagoon]

Use surge 90% of the time. Flaming shriek to kill hordes. Smite in the rare cases of super high enemy density.

[marble crater]

Don't spam smite into pure pox walker hordes

[lethal lagoon]

Right Smite -> Flaming shirk at 85% -> Keep smiting on huge mixed hordes covering the whole screen.

[dreamy sinew]

^

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah don't do that, 1 flaming shriek will kill a pure pox horde

[dreamy sinew]

I've been in too many aurics where people just spam smite and it gets kinda annoying

[wind spruce]

Heresy

[marble crater]

To do that? Yes

[wanton lagoon]

what blessings on sword

[wanton lagoon]

this is what i just got now

wont be a keeper but what blessings am i looking for

[marble crater]

I use slaughterer and deflector on mine

[wanton lagoon]

ok

[lethal lagoon]

Exorcist -> Slaughter, Block -> Maniacs

If a weapon has uncanny strikes, it's typically BiS for that weapon.

[wanton lagoon]

how does the force sword work

[lethal lagoon]

Spam lights or use special with heavy attacks

[wanton lagoon]

charge the special then ues it?

[upper sun]

Exorcist isnt all that great is it?

[wanton lagoon]

feels like a powersword

[dreamy sinew]

The mk v does yeah the other two not so much

[near drift]

It has a niche with scriers gaze but that's about it

[lethal lagoon]

other two? There's only Deimos and Illy

[dreamy sinew]

[upper sun]

I dont think i've ever used scriers gaze

[dreamy sinew]

It's stupid good

[marble crater]

Force sword push has a bit different range than normal melee weapons, something to keep in mind when pushing dogs and pox bombers, maybe

[upper sun]

Deimos for POWER illi for fun

[wind spruce]

Heavy 1 light 2 is all horizontal strikes

[dreamy sinew]

I love eating plogryns for breakfast

[wind spruce]

Best combo for illisi

[wanton lagoon]

whats flaming shirk? left or right hit

[dreamy sinew]

Your F

[wanton lagoon]

oh

[lethal lagoon]

You can use it during the smite cast to add dps and extend it

Still for the build I linked it's like 90%-95% use your surge staff and use flaming shriek with the surge to add damage/prevent explosions if needed

Also, 1 use of flaming shriek will kill all minor horde and ranged mobs

[marble crater]

Or save your team from dogs, even through walls or floors

[upper sun]

its really underrated idk why most builds on the website are shields

[wanton lagoon]

from a litle playing around in the tester i just hold right click and click left every few seconds

[lethal lagoon]

For surge?

[wanton lagoon]

yea

[ornate hamlet]

Support build brainrot no cap ong

[dreamy sinew]

Shields are really noob friendly

[lethal lagoon]

Yeppers though it's more like every single second, it's a fast staff.

[lethal lagoon]

The top rated psyker build on that site is a voidstrike without true aim, don't think about it too much.

The site has a great build editor, ignore the actual builds

[dreamy sinew]

Running bubble lobotomized me when I started other characters 😭

[upper sun]

if you trust your team shield smite is fantastic

[marble crater]

[upper sun]

but whenever i run smite no one EVER attacks who i stun

[ornate hamlet]

I trust my team, but I want to do the fun stuff

[lethal lagoon]

Smite shield is literally the worst combo in the game

[snow coral]

just read this, is it confirmed to be true still?

[marble crater]

Well, you are shocking it, so you must deal damage and obviously have it under control

[ornate hamlet]

Yes

[snow coral]

well shit, TIL

i guess I get a talent point back? I normally charge smite so I'll have to try just left clicking it

[upper sun]

smite bros.......

[lethal lagoon]

No, just don't get the talent

[upper sun]

what are we gonna do now?

[marble crater]

Play trauma, more fun anyway

[dreamy sinew]

Not run that perk

[lethal lagoon]

Smite is great , just don't use bubble or enfeeble.

[upper sun]

truama is too high iq for me sorry

also ||zero good truama staves||

[marble crater]

It's easy, you aim it right under your zealot's feet and blast all the enemies away from him

He will love you for saving him

[dreamy sinew]

Lending a helping hand <3

[lethal lagoon]

[upper sun]

I will never forgive hadron for this

[marble crater]

Sad

[flint plover]

oof

[dreamy sinew]

Sustained fire my behated

[upper sun]

like tending shockwave is a mmmaybe

but 3 bad things and one maybe is not great

[marble crater]

Shockwave is not bad if you play it a bit more supportive, kill the small stuff and debuff the elites

[snow coral]

no way, I love my bubble

[upper sun]

well siblings 5 minutes until melk gets new stock what are we betting on?

[brisk grove]

isn't the stat like 5% though? i forgot

[dreamy sinew]

4

[brisk grove]

seems rather insignificant compared to warp charges

[rare arrow]

garbage

[dreamy sinew]

But they're so good any reduction is worth it

[upper sun]

yeah same

[brisk grove]

iirc at full warp charge i'll have a 15 second vent cooldown, and that's not including killing elites to get even more time subtracted

[rare arrow]

30 sec base at 7.5% each so 45% at 6 stacks

roughly 18

[dreamy sinew]

I just see results idk what to tell ya

Also fear

Of being .1 sec off cd when I need it

[marble crater]

A perfect blaze trauma staff

[upper sun]

oh yeah and a void staff with surge 4

[ornate hamlet]

Is Melks gear the same for all players or unique to each account?

[upper sun]

unique per char

also the voices told me it scales based on your hidden level but i have no way of proving this

[rare arrow]

it does not. my hidden level is very high and he gives me garbage

[brisk grove]

yeah but i also take the 10% cooldown reduction aura

[rare arrow]

This isn't terrible tho

[upper sun]

CHAINSWORDS FUCKING CHAINSWORDS

[dreamy sinew]

Oh hey uncanny 4 on a deimos

[rare arrow]

another decent base

[dreamy sinew]

Now I don't have to sac my good one

[ornate hamlet]

Cleave damage dump aaaaa noooo aaaa

[cosmic sigil]

the takeaway is that you take hc + surgical if you want to take care of crushers in 2-3 shots

[rare arrow]

Is this actually salvageable? feels like im going to need some god rolls.

better just dump it for a 6

[tame venture]

Too bad I got the fan-fire revolver 😂

[cosmic sigil]

you can still oneshot the rest but i find it quicker to oneshot crit them

[ornate hamlet]

Honestly, for that roll I'd try a purple

[cosmic sigil]

surgical is a crit source

you can use point blank or crucian

[rare arrow]

or just start rolling this one?

[ornate hamlet]

I don't like the mk6, but if you prefer it

[cosmic sigil]

i have a crucian + hc fanvolver

[cosmic sigil]

i feel like i miss my targets more with it

with dd / sg you can take care of crushers

[ornate hamlet]

I used the agri with crucian and hc until I realized I was playing the zarona but with less accuracy

[cosmic sigil]

not in 2 shots but you reload faster

[rare arrow]

haven't tried it tbh

[cosmic sigil]

yeah, i prefer zarona

i can deal withe the recoil

[ornate hamlet]

You need to put the crosshair a bit above where it normally would be for headshots, it can get really annoying the first few matches

It's like you want to slice their forehead instead

I don't like weapons that do that

[cosmic sigil]

yeah, that's exactly my problem

[ornate hamlet]

It's a beef I have with the mk3's lights too

[cosmic sigil]

i have highest height on male zealot and vet and lowest on psyker

i am fucked

[ornate hamlet]

The way I see it, if my crosshair is head level it shouldn't ever not be a headshot

[tame venture]

I've been told that surgical+ point blank is best but it's contentious

https://youtu.be/I-BDcWUeHW0?t=3m11s

Timestamp relevant, the first bit is about roulette

[tacit bobcat]

remove sustained fire from staves. now.

[tame venture]

No
Run&gun

[cosmic sigil]

yes pointblank is better than crucian most of the time

[tame venture]

Obviously

[dreamy sinew]

Good on purgatus for being aggressive but two problems

Purgatus

Zero range unless on bb or assail

And second uhhh

Make one up

[marble crater]

Your team can't see

[cosmic sigil]

you can do fun stuff with weapons specialist vet + point blank, hand cannon, agile engagement, deadshot and the talent giving you crit chance on your first reloaded bullet

[hollow halo]

after 6k plasteel, i'll take it

[prime elk]

Pretty good result for just 6k

[marble crater]

Just?

[vocal cliff]

Critical bonus?

OH

That's a surge staff

[hollow halo]

i fool people with the skin

[hollow halo]

If 6k is 'just' then what are people here spending on average?
6k felt like a lot

[prime elk]

6k is nothing in the hadron casino

[prime elk]

It’s a lot, but crafting is fucked

[hollow halo]

so true

[cosmic sigil]

i have used surgical + crucian on vet and zealot, yeah it works, you only kneed to make sure to have something to take care of crushers

[prime elk]

6k is like 9 games of damnation

Or more than four hours

[dreamy sinew]

Waiting for the day diamantine becomes needed and not just a funny number on my screen

[tame venture]

He suggests surgical+PB
On zealot idk if there's that much point in guaranteeing crits
And tbh how often do you face crushers?

[hollow halo]

crusher packs are one of the more common game-enders

[tame venture]

Just heavy melee 4hed

[cosmic sigil]

i did not have a pb + surgical gun on that character to test

[tame venture]

Fair enough

Tbh I think that YouTuber tends to obsess with the absolute bleeding edge of meta

[cosmic sigil]

but with my vet yeah, it's quickswap > crit > kill

but i always have something to take care of crushers if needed be (melee or grenade)

on zealot, sg+hc is probably the most optimal because you don't waste a chastise to kill a crusher

[cosmic sigil]

a lot of people do not like him here

[tame venture]

Yeah he's plenty abrasive even without his hot takes

Dude has angry manlet energy

Honestly makes me not want to watch his stuff, but the info is useful

[shy crag]

Has anyone noticed really funky stats for Quelling on the Voidstrike Staff? between different voidstrike staffs, comparing the same stat.

[rapid widget]

I was rolling for Voidstrike staffs today. Brunt giveth, and Hadron taketh away.

[shy crag]

that's salvagable

coulda been worse

[rapid widget]

I mean, I'd have preferred to have Surge+Warp Nexus and the option to roll Carapace/Maniacs on the perks.

Literally everything needs a reroll 😩

[rare arrow]

void staff, we reroll unarmoured right?

Can only reroll 1

[shy crag]

id swap run n gun for warp flurry and the crit perk for unarmoured or flak

[rapid widget]

Yeah, reroll Unarmoured.

[lethal lagoon]

I don't know about you guys, but my diamantee is basically the same as it was since patch 13 dropped(assuming my plasteel is low).
It's being used at the same rate it's being earned.

[rare arrow]

Sad I can't do both

[worthy scaffold]

is blazing spirit good on trauma staff?

thinking trying to get surge blessing on staff then replace sustan fire

even tho they all staff, blessing aint count, i got surge on voidstrike

[shy crag]

if you're built around soulblaze then yeah it can be a lot of fun

[lethal lagoon]

Surge doesn't do anything on Trauma

Blaze Trauma is pretty meta atm though

[shy crag]

I've tried something like this and it's surprisingly good. It crit often enough to make it effective without needing a crit chance blessing and the rending just chefs kiss

not the best stats tho, best i could find

[lethal lagoon]

Blaze trauma kinda silly without warp nexus, but I'm sure it get's the job done.

[shy crag]

you'd think that, and i ran nexus as well for a long time and tried that out instead out of curiosity as i always loved my rending staff and wondered if combining both would be viable and it certainly was.

[lethal lagoon]

Were you peril edging?

[hollow halo]

against the crusher packs that trauma staff does go hard

[shy crag]

possibly yeah? i do tend to quell just enough to get the max crit chance when using it, or most staffs tbh

[hollow halo]

every psyker is Warp Rider coded

[worthy scaffold]

what perk should i change then? idk specialist seems good

[lethal lagoon]

specalist = flak, flurry = nexus.

[worthy scaffold]

but the charge time....

[shy crag]

id switch out warp flurry for nexus, you'll never have enough peril to spam the trauma, its quite hungry so personally at least I find warp flurry a bit of a waste on trauma staffs.

[hollow halo]

reason i have warp flurry on my surge staff is the lack of other blessings, but trauma has plenty choice thankfully.
Still, warp flurry is never a bad blessing

[shy crag]

id go flak instead of specialist

[wanton lagoon]

do staffs carry the same blessings?

like ar ethey the same class

[worthy scaffold]

done

[worthy scaffold]

nope

[wanton lagoon]

WHAT

[hollow halo]

all seperate

[dreamy sinew]

It doesn't help I already have want I want (most of it anyways)

[haughty star]

bruh

[dreamy sinew]

Got lucky with perks and such

[worthy scaffold]

yeah got surge on my voidstrike but none on my trauma

[shy crag]

yeah flurry is fine on surge but i dont think traumas get the most out of flurry.

[wanton lagoon]

there was a random ass staff with both flurry and nexus so i bought it

[haughty star]

it goes {equinox}[MKIII](Trauma Force Staff)

anything after the mk bracket is the only thing that will share blessings

none of the staves share blessings

[shy crag]

lol yeah that sucks big time, takes forever to get t4 blessings on psyker, mixed in with all the guns you get offered. Thats one of the reasons i created a 5th character Psyker.

[lethal lagoon]

When my plasteel get's too high and there's nothing I want, I get the uncontrollable urge to try and make my curernt favorite builds marginally better.

[dreamy sinew]

Yeah lol

[hollow halo]

might aswell if you got nothing else to spend it on

[dreamy sinew]

Gamble at armory for a better weapon

That's where all mine goes

[haughty star]

@wanton lagoon for future referance

[hollow halo]

the gamba machine needs feeding

[haughty star]

bruh i'm so fucking tired with the gambling lol

all i want is hand cannon iv for my vet on a decent revolver

[hollow halo]

i'm overdue for uncanny strike on my dueling. Next roll will be it i'm sure

[dreamy sinew]

I am a d2 refugee I can deal with gambling

[haughty star]

and slaughterer iv for illyses for me

i got uncanny off a milk man purchase

[hollow halo]

sometimes the milk man treats you right, on rare occassions

[rapid widget]

It took me way too long to realize his name was "Sour Milk"

[hollow halo]

explains his attitude

[haughty star]

yay or nay for a deflector option for my psyker

the finesse is kinda poo

[wanton lagoon]

Wait can you explain this?

again

what you mean after the bracket

[shy crag]

What's peoples thoughts on the "Surge" blessing for the Voidstrike? The double shot on crit. I've tried it out with nexus and to be completely honest I can't tell when it actually procs, every shot with it looks normal. I havne't noticed any big impact on my dps or hitting targets harder.

[rapid widget]

When it does proc, you can reliably one shot Crushers.

[lethal lagoon]

Need True aim

[haughty star]

{family}Brand

only thing that matters is the model

[wanton lagoon]

ahhhh

[shy crag]

Lot's of people swear by deflector but personally I always kinda "forget" to use it most of the time. Yet there's always that one rare game in one particular part of the map where you really wish you had deflector and you don't have it at the time. It's kinda like that with me. You can live without it most of the time, other options have more utility I've found.

[wanton lagoon]

for all guns too?

[shy crag]

True aim? (aka: git gud?)

[rapid widget]

My opinion is that, if you're using Deflector, you're either out of position or using time you could be doing Psyker things more efficiently elsewhere.

[haughty star]

there's like two maps on auric damnation that i wish i had shield bubble and i feel like deflector would suffice

[haughty star]

people are human man. literally noone plays a perfect game albeit some come close

[rapid widget]

No, no. That's accounting for margin for error. Like, if you need to use deflector, you're standing in front of a few gunners and Reapers.

Like, why are you doing that? Step back, find a corner, and blast 'em

[shy crag]

yeah i think if you play auric high intensity consistently, you'd probably get more use out of deflector, those kinds of games would "force" you to remember that you have that tool in your bag so to speak.

[dreamy sinew]

I mean I run deflector and uncanny on my Deimos so I can turn my brain off when I eventually get caught with my pants down by the valley of gunners but now I'm learning dodge sliding so it's getting less relevant

[rapid widget]

Unless you've got some crazy melee build and use it to close the distance.

[dreamy sinew]

Excuse the run on sentence

[ornate hamlet]

Deflector is one of those things I realized I didn't want to get used to

[rapid widget]

In which case, you're a madman and I respect it.

[haughty star]

yee but it helps for that split second where you get fucked repositioning which the psyker is pretty much defenseless to ranged lol

[shy crag]

it used to be a lot more valuable for revives

[shy crag]

Does the "Surge" blessing give a different animation or visual impact does anyone know? I genuinly can't tell the difference.

[dreamy sinew]

Most of my ranged defence is jus empathic evasion tbh

[rapid widget]

It does not. The only difference is a brief double-blast on impact.

But the initial blast generally covers the secondary blast animation.

[shy crag]

yeah i've never noticed that unfortunately 😕

[rapid widget]

The animations overlap, so it all looks like one impact.

Unless you go through frame by frame, you'd typically never notice.

[spice veldt]

it shoots out a second ball soon after the shot that procs it