psyker-class

[zinc phoenix]

i hate that doing mael requires not doing qp tbh becuase you are right

[haughty star]

The more I play with the surge staff the more I love it lol

[outer vessel]

i love picking some maelstroms just to suffer

[fickle arch]

Graaa. I had a dream about the most unhinged melee build for Psyker, but Warp Siphon is bugged with Scriers Gaze!

[zinc phoenix]

classic surge smite is definitely a based build

[haughty star]

It's really nice for tapping disablers down fast

[outer vessel]

i wish I could use smite :<

[untold niche]

ah yeah, warp doesn't reduce gaze cd

[outer vessel]

as well as surge

[upper sun]

yeah im gonna try it in another build sheet

[subtle linden]

we must go back to our roots and do brain burst!

[outer vessel]

I run brain burst pretty much all the time now 🙂

[haughty star]

It's so unequivocally supportive lol

[severe folio]

i just figure out how to get both the quietude and a vent augment on the assail vent build

remove one of the assail augment

[outer vessel]

it's only good if youre using empowered tho

[hot zephyr]

Looks at BREP build I've been toying with... Oh yeah 😂😂😂

[outer vessel]

warp charges are bad

[haughty star]

If I run bb I focus on bb with ep but it's not great for auric damnation imo

[outer vessel]

whar

yes it is

[untold niche]

i feel that tree is just too expensive, very sad.

[haughty star]

Eh

[outer vessel]

Agreed

[zinc phoenix]

no, its incredibly high offense

[haughty star]

That too

[zinc phoenix]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9b1d4fff-d554-4542-af6c-948a07615329

thats a pretty standard surge/smite build

what you do is you use right click for a couple beats then release to KD everything

then you stab em with illsi

[outer vessel]

smite with ep and some other nodes can make it great at not only locking down hordes, but it can kill loads of shit on its own too

[severe folio]

here do this

[zinc phoenix]

too slow, you will get spanked by large hordes

[subtle linden]

sanctuary shield honestly saves runs

[outer vessel]

even if it takes time to kill some targets, the fact they cant move at all is hilarious

[haughty star]

This is basically what I have but specced over to the right and no venting shriek talents

[outer vessel]

theyre just stuck indefinitiely

[zinc phoenix]

no shriek means no damage and bad peril mgmt. shrieking fire with max peril gives a lot of free damage and stagger

you can also use surge to control pox walker rushes

left click will push them away, right click will det

[haughty star]

I thought about doing this but then you gimp out the rest of your build not having disrupt or warp siphon imo

[outer vessel]

you mean steallth walkers

[haughty star]

I have shriek just no flames

[outer vessel]

those fuckers still dont make noise and spawn out of thin air

[zinc phoenix]

you are missing out on all the damage from it

[haughty star]

Eh I barely use it lol

[zinc phoenix]

🤦‍♀️

[haughty star]

It's more of a oh shit button for me

Gotta keep them stacks on deck

[zinc phoenix]

you should be using it pretty much on cooldown

its the primary damage from the build

[upper sun]

middle tree is nice for assail for the zero peril attacks

[zinc phoenix]

esp on auric damn and above you want to spam that shit

[outer vessel]

oddball speaks truths

[zinc phoenix]

the nice thing about surge smite is you can be super mobile with it

[outer vessel]

shriek helps do a lot of damage

[hot zephyr]

You don't have to run creeping flames. but it's very good for 1 extra talent point so it's extremely worth it on damn or higher where you need to thin out trash

[zinc phoenix]

so you do a couple beats to stagger everything, charge into melee, run off and zap a few specials, another couple beats of stagger

[outer vessel]

i don't think a lot of psykers realize how much damage soulblaze aids with thinning out hordes

[zinc phoenix]

standing there holding smite just gets you shot

or tackled by a mutie from the ass

[upper sun]

i mostly use shriek for OOPS im dying or OOPS i cant hit the damn hound

[haughty star]

Problem is there's nothing I'd want to take off lol

[zinc phoenix]

hold block, push when it jumps

[hot zephyr]

Did you post your current build?

[upper sun]

ye force swords are great for that

[untold niche]

it was a revelation when someone told me i could have used it proactively to help out a teammate drowning in a horde

[haughty star]

This. Or save for revives or save for edging peril

[upper sun]

maaaan i dont trust my latency to edge my perils

[outer vessel]

Or be a chad and charge a heavy attack to one shot it mid jump

[severe folio]

its cheap but its a bit tunneled into assail, and im not sure i want to encourage blitz focused gameplay

[untold niche]

i just push on the bark sound

[zinc phoenix]

if you're investing in the smite upgrades i have bad news, they either only work on left click or do very little

[outer vessel]

behold, no bark sound, you are now pinned

[haughty star]

I don't

[zinc phoenix]

share your build

[upper sun]

problem is many times even if i shriek while its jumping i still get hit

[outer vessel]

shriek's a really solid get off me button

[zinc phoenix]

also anyone using in fire reborn is asking to get overwritten by another soulfire user

[untold niche]

illisi push range is 2km, according to me.

[upper sun]

lol

[zinc phoenix]

like IFR, not even once. worst trait ever

[outer vessel]

also, I didn't realize that force sword push attacks can sometimes kill pox hounds

i think it was a crit head shot that did it, but it certainly got a good laugh out of me

[subtle linden]

illisis is goated spam heavy light horizontal cleaves

[severe folio]

well if you are the more frequent soulblaze applier

then IFR being overwritten isnt a problem

[upper sun]

the ideal team is two psykers two ogryn with one shriek and one shield

[outer vessel]

I thought it was cuz of the bb augment, but nope, it was on cooldown

[severe folio]

because the frequency of that happen is less

[untold niche]

generally you wouldn't want to waste your VS on a single hound anyway

[zinc phoenix]

it is for the other person.........

the whole mechanic is bad

[severe folio]

well

fuk the other person lol

its my flame

[outer vessel]

yes

embrace the psyker main mentality

[zinc phoenix]

i hope you always have another burgatus user in your parties

[outer vessel]

topscore, or uninstall

[upper sun]

leveling new chars is such a pain

[severe folio]

your hope is misplaced

because they arent place on the emperor

[untold niche]

i ascended from wanting to carry. Got too tired.
I will now be carried.

[outer vessel]

were you around when it it was far worse

[upper sun]

idk how i even played the game with 10 talent points and 150 rating weapons

[zinc phoenix]

🤷‍♀️ i leveled all mine back during beta/release

[outer vessel]

I've been playing since beta and leveling was a genuine slog

[upper sun]

the worst i got was when flamers killed the whole team

[compact spindle]

So tru king

[zinc phoenix]

average t5 mael run

[outer vessel]

the talent tree update made leveling feel far more enjoyable

[upper sun]

flamer nerf best day of my life

[zinc phoenix]

sometimes director just says "fuck you, die in fire" and spawns a dozen flamers

[untold niche]

recently i lost a hab dreyko on a5mael because no one was scanning at the treee

[outer vessel]

god, that fucking bug made me so god damn scared of stealth flamers and bombers

I still hate bombers tho, their ability to yote a nade from the grossest of angles still annoys me to death

[zinc phoenix]

thats why bb is blessed

[outer vessel]

it is

but they do it from places you CANNOT see them

[zinc phoenix]

it may take forever, it may be slow damage, but by god if you want a bomber dead bb will get it done

[zinc phoenix]

back up

[outer vessel]

that doesnt help

[zinc phoenix]

they have to stay a particular radius from you so they will move forward if you back up enough

[outer vessel]

the scenario I am painting does not make it so they reveal themselves at fucking all

[zinc phoenix]

sometimes map be like that

[outer vessel]

it's the one thing I do not like about bombers

their ability to hide themselves perfectly from the whole team, and they'll chuck the stinkiest of nade that fucking melts the team, or completely walls of someone from the team

theyre so good at it too

[untold niche]

whats the map with the train tracks and you have to pop the monstrous thing

that map last stage (the one with the high cabinets) bombers there throw molies from their vantage spawn point

[zinc phoenix]

what i dont like is when im running a 5mael and clearing the rear and i get a horde and a bunch of specials spawn and the people who have been waaghing up front just wait at the elevator like "fuck that guy" and i have to solo that shit

[hearty oak]

Chasm terminus assassination really do be like this

[zinc phoenix]

like homie if im not coming forward its because i am literally getting gang banged

[mental rock]

If you just run to the team you can kill the horde and specials together...

[outer vessel]

good luck when you have a wall of fire you cannot run through without risking serious health loss

[zinc phoenix]

or have a bunch of muties trying to run a train on your ass while dogs are sniffin and have to act like a friggen ninja to stay out of reach

[hearty oak]

Can't you just spam jump to negate fire damage. Or is that only to fire barrels

[zinc phoenix]

tldr no

[mental rock]

Well then they ain't just waiting at the elevator, they are stuck at the elevator

[untold niche]

[outer vessel]

or the game does a silly sneaky and finds a spawn door that cuts you off perfectly from your team while trying to cover your squad while they deal with the 30 gunners and 5 reapers ahead of you

[zinc phoenix]

no theyre just spamming emotes with a thumb up they ass

[hearty oak]

I swear you could

[zinc phoenix]

literally i had one guy spamming elevator while i ping a dozen specials

[zinc phoenix]

i try it every now and again

[north dock]

u guys like a rush zealot or chorus zealot

[outer vessel]

I am blessed enough to be good at these kinds of games where suriving alone is my specialty that getting split to deal with 20 specials on my ass is just a nuisance these days

[hearty oak]

Define rush

[north dock]

not stealth combat knife*

[zinc phoenix]

well you have to be when playing psyker when theres all these people who build stealth and speed

[north dock]

momentum + fury of faithful

[outer vessel]

but I still hit the gamer lean when shit starts to get spicy

[zinc phoenix]

like how the fuck is my psyker supposed to keep up with someone with +30% move speed and stealth. yeah i can out damage them but wtf man lol

and a knife

[outer vessel]

I don't blame em honestly

[zinc phoenix]

of course

[hearty oak]

Yes. Chorus while nice, doesn't output more dps meaning more faster clears

[outer vessel]

stealth is a clutch tool

and speed is king in these kinds of games

[zinc phoenix]

its a mong tool

people use it, die constantly

[outer vessel]

the better you can kite a horde, the safer you play

[zinc phoenix]

reality: they stealth and dump all aggro on one teammate

then die

[outer vessel]

that's a shit player

[north dock]

hm yea i also have that problem with chorus, pubs too stupid to use the window of opportunity

and pub rarely hit gunners

[outer vessel]

good players know what to do with those kinds of tools

[zinc phoenix]

i have seen a couple good stealth zealots who legit could carry either way

[outer vessel]

that's me

yeah

[hearty oak]

Blazing is just a different type of dps. Momentum is standard for mostly everything

[outer vessel]

not a lot of people know how to properly execute stealth for saves or to pick backlines

[north dock]

just charge at the 20 gunners

[outer vessel]

aggro stealth dump's not a BAD thing in a dicey scenario, especially if your team knows it's gonna happen

[north dock]

[zinc phoenix]

who are like "i shall stealth rez my buddy in the midst of this huge ass crusher mob" and then pikachu face when their 3s of stealth ends and they eat like ten overheads

[outer vessel]

a good ogryn helps

[zinc phoenix]

man ogryn rn is just busted

[outer vessel]

that's an empty headed thing to do regardless of stealth or not

[hearty oak]

Those types of zealot players are probably the ones who can make anything look "good". It's everyone else that try

[outer vessel]

that team mate is gonna die to the overhead the second they get full rezzed

[upper sun]

ogryns are still our best friends tbh were the only class that can shoot through their big bodies

[zinc phoenix]

why do people not get this when trying to stealth rez

lol

[outer vessel]

good players make any build look good

you have enough hours, even meme builds look godly to casual players

[hearty oak]

Except recon Las. There's no saving that

[outer vessel]

i will make it work some day

[untold niche]

imo in darktide the build itself is more than 50% of the game
its not even a mechanically hard game

[outer vessel]

still figuring it out after they absolutely dumpstered it

[hearty oak]

then made the columns the replacement

[near wyvern]

It's this a challenge?

[outer vessel]

you need a reliable set of tools to do well on high diff

but even if you have some subpar weapons, you can still carry groups

[hearty oak]

It's facts. No challenge

[outer vessel]

if you're good at the game, you make it look like a walk in the park

until the director decides to hit the fucking crack cocaine on its table and spawn a relentless amount of waves without any kind of break

[hearty oak]

Skill can only cover so much if the weapon has no dps output

[north dock]

opinion on good boltgun stats

[outer vessel]

my favorite is hopping down PoR and the director goes googley eyed apeshit and hits the gas

[hearty oak]

It absolutely slaps on zealot. Just get a good 365+

[near wyvern]

It has punishing salvo and sustained fire, I can work off with that and just use it to boost assails :3

[untold niche]

thats a fancy way of saying you need good gear / right build.

Like as long as you know how to react to stuff, kill priority thats already alot of darktide in game

[hearty oak]

So can columns and it does everything better than recon

[untold niche]

its not that hard of a game :v

[hearty oak]

It's just gimping yourself to have a laser weapon.

[outer vessel]

"here's a horde, here's a monstrosity, here's a daemonhost, here's a wave of specials, and a elite wave of armored units, 5 bulwarks, and on top of that, your team already triggered the gunner squads that were prespawned"

[near wyvern]

Columnus is not for the burst blessings you want dumdum and fire frenzy on that

[hot zephyr]

Totally different topic here: After the discussion yesterday I picked up Kinetic Flayer on my Purgatus/Shriek/Siphon build with the extra point, and I gotta say it's pretty decent... Yes it does occasionally burst a poxwalker or whatever, but it seems to pick out the elites mixed into trash/hordes fairly regularly and that burst of damage usually puts them down in combination with the burn/soulblaze very quickly.

[untold niche]

that sounds like every a5histg game :v

[near wyvern]

And @hearty oak you weren't saying recon has to be better than X just that it needs to look good

[outer vessel]

the amount of times flayer has shit on some elites or chunked a crusher for me is why I keep using it

[hearty oak]

Forget fire frenzy. Sustained fire and dumdum is already peaking enough to make it top tier

[outer vessel]

i think what makes it so good is that ALL of your damage output can proc it

[hearty oak]

Less work for dps

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, especially since you want BR anyways for purg to pick off gunners and such, it's not a bad little pickup for 1 point

[near wyvern]

And then you dive into the higher difficulties where you have 15 ragers on you and that single brain burst starts to look pretty insignificant again

[outer vessel]

15 ragers should not be on you, nor are you relying on an automatic brainburst to kill them

[haughty star]

There I reconfigured to run soul blaze

[outer vessel]

also, it probably just killed that rager and now all of the other ragers are on fire

[near wyvern]

Sustained fire only works for bullets 2, 3 and 4. With fire frenzy you just dive in and hold LMB

[outer vessel]

and then that fire might kill another rager, and now now the rest of them are dying and triggering more soulblase

[hearty oak]

Yeah it looks good when I customize it but I also want it to perform at the same point of a columns or in the same area. Fs just nerfed it into the dirt so it's optimal for anything anymore

[near wyvern]

Wishing all weapons worked like meta weapons means a balanced game and that's never going to happen. There will always be meta.

[outer vessel]

Fatshark needs to realize at some points Buffing>Nerfing

[near wyvern]

The power creep is already quite high

[outer vessel]

just make the worse toys better. Leave the stuff that's good as it is alone

[near wyvern]

Either they gotta introduce harder missions or nerf stuff

[hearty oak]

You're missing the point. The gun is trash, they need to bring it up

[outer vessel]

Overtuned stuff, yes, fix it, but if it's good and people like it as is, stop fucking with it

[near wyvern]

The point was that good players can make a trash gun work

[outer vessel]

like look at what they did to the autopistol :/

It was dogshit, then they made it very good, and then they made it dogshit again

I think it's as bad as it used to be

[near wyvern]

@hearty oak it can't be much more awful than the new revolver and I made that work

https://youtu.be/1qF5JthpWXg

[outer vessel]

As a result, I moved on to heavy laspistol

[hearty oak]

well then I guess all the good players just aren't here or are on new characters using it

[outer vessel]

which is thankfully still good

[outer vessel]

I don't understand the new revolver

[outer vessel]

it's meant to be a fanfire gun, but what is going to need that many rounds stuffed in its face, it likely died to the second round in its already pitifully small mag

[ebon pawn]

tilting players is sometimes funny

[outer vessel]

I don't even know why they thought leaving it with 5 rounds was also a good idea

[hearty oak]

Not the worst banter I've heard

[outer vessel]

it needs 8 rounds, ngl

[near wyvern]

Check the beginning of the video, I show how to use it. It's stupid but it works.

[outer vessel]

regardless, I think we need brand new guns overall

new melees

it'll breathe some life into the game

but overall what will fix the user experience is the mem leak fix, and the fucking crafting system

[untold niche]

actually, yeah.
But i just hope that gave harder mechanics alongside it to make the game more fun + more skill expression

[ebon pawn]

i took the last heal, everyone was running away from it, and so i thought ah well ill take it then i got a bit of corruption anyway. And the zealot apparently thought he had first rights to it running back, his health was same as mine.
context at the beginning of the match i exclaimed i got an internjob so i was very happy about that. then this malding chat ensued xD

[zinc phoenix]

Why are you going for the damage line and skipping psyke’s aura and the cooldown aura?? Slightly more damage isn’t worth giving yourself and your team big cooldown reductions constantly

[haughty star]

It's 10 percent and less points

[ebon pawn]

🍿

[hearty oak]

They did. By pouring in more elites. And the twins hm boss is just that lmao. And the classic Bethesda tactic: just give them more health

[zinc phoenix]

My man how can they possibly buff things any harder? T5 mael with weakened monstrosities is throwing stuff at the player absolutely non stop and people still get thru it no problem. Any more buffing and they’ll have to just spawn monstrosities every 5s with 5x hp just to slow players down even a little

[plucky flax]

More elites = blaze trauma buff

[outer vessel]

there are some weapons that are enitrely useless

look at tac axes

and autopistol and recon lasgun

[zinc phoenix]

A number of tac axes are pretty good tbh

Autopistol meh

[untold niche]

thats why i said harder mechancis :p

I want stuff like encouraging quell cancel, or like idk have revolvo not give you an auto headshot

[haughty star]

I do enough support by just having smite and using it lol. Plenty of char have cdr and most people in auric damnation use 30 sec cooldown abilities so 10 percent ain't shit

[outer vessel]

there are groups of weapons that just vastly underperform, that they may as well not exist

[untold niche]

i used to quell cancel with void then i got lazy :p

[plucky flax]

Tac axes are usable. Its just when you compare it to combat axe it's inferior in every way.

[hot zephyr]

I mean, one of things with certain auric modifiers is that since there's such a high density of elite mobs, abilities that trigger off elites just proc like crazyyyyy and the player power level goes super-saiyan

[zinc phoenix]

I miss the feel of the game on launch when the tempo was slower and damage output was lower and there was generally less stuff

[outer vessel]

point proven, honestly

[plucky flax]

Maybe 6 dodges to taxe

[outer vessel]

why use a tac, combat does everything it does--but better

[haughty star]

What are these animation cancels people talk about

[hot zephyr]

You get like a dog pack or a shotgun pack and bam there's 20 elite kills

[zinc phoenix]

Undercount tbh

[hearty oak]

Even to me that's a tough sell. They need more traps and sequences to maps/bossfights

[outer vessel]

Also, I feel like shotguns are kind of...whatever?

[plucky flax]

With psyker you can do staff left click cancel.

[untold niche]

voidstrike, after firing an rmb, to fire another rmb there is a small delay.
you can press quell, at the first instance you notice the animation changes into the quell one, let go of quell and charge your rmb again

[zinc phoenix]

Enemy shotties or player shotties?

Player shotties are bad imo

[outer vessel]

like they hit hard, but there are other weapons that do what it can, but from farther away with relative ease

[haughty star]

Oh I've never used voidstrike

[untold niche]

i never used lmb so i explained it with rmb

[hearty oak]

On surge especially, you can full cast > swap to blitz real fast > swap back and you ignore the rest of the casting animation and deal full damage

[hot zephyr]

that's my point tho. Honestly you can have a rougher time on a low-intensity run just because the director spawns a trillion hordes at you and few specials so your elite/special kill based build doesn't work

[outer vessel]

which sucks, because I love shotguns

[haughty star]

I got a good surge and that's been my go to since

[haughty star]

Wait what

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah shotties are bad

The big thing people say with shotties is infinite cleave but like… who gives a shit

[haughty star]

Does this break warp flurry?

[outer vessel]

There are so many instances where it's taken like 2 or 3 shots to kill things that really should have only taken 1

[zinc phoenix]

Your damage is low enough that the infinite cleave doesn’t matter

[hot zephyr]

Yes, releasing RMB breaks flurry iirc

[zinc phoenix]

Exactly

[untold niche]

i feel that kinda things elevate the skill ceiling.
I know i keep repeating myself but i want more skill expression.
Let people who want to get good have an outlet, it will get obvious who is good and who isn't

[outer vessel]

also you'd think it would be good at killing armored units?? But no

[zinc phoenix]

We already have that, now it’s time to tone down the baseline power available to players

[haughty star]

It doesn't but I'm wondering if the switch does

[outer vessel]

the damage to carapace is pittance

[haughty star]

It's like a time window

[zinc phoenix]

Like voice of command alone negates half the challenge of the game

[plucky flax]

Stinky vets

[haughty star]

I like my VOC vet lolol

[outer vessel]

all the shouts and group stunlocks is what makes the game feel like it can be easy

they were also very good in vermintide 2

[haughty star]

Just yell at things and they lay down

[zinc phoenix]

“Oh no I and team are in trouble, guess I will stagger everything, full regen toughness for everyone and add 50 extra toughness!”

[hearty oak]

Feel like zealots will be getting their chastise nerfed tbh. Or momentum

[plucky flax]

Knife zealot makes the game easy.

[hot zephyr]

I mean, that's carapace in general. If they introduced more carapace armoured mob variants, it would significantly increase the challenge. Imagine full carapace armoured gunners or shotgunners

[outer vessel]

knife makes the game feel easy overall

[hearty oak]

Axe zealots*

[haughty star]

No matter what they do tje game is gonna feel easy to experienced players lol

[zinc phoenix]

I mean idk I feel like being able to spam chastise literally as fast as you can press the F key is probably a little op but what do I know

[outer vessel]

youre hard to hit, you have higher base crit, you have backstab damage and rend, and its blessings are all good

bleed on crit turns everything into paper

[haughty star]

Just like borderlands they can only crank the difficulty so much before rigs will melt

[plucky flax]

Just run fast

[plucky flax]

Martyrdom bm combat axe is too op we don't talk about it.

[hearty oak]

It's not that, you are snowballing a ton of damage to roll through crowds of elites with ease. It could be me though just knowing the game too well

[untold niche]

idk at least on psyker, i feel that im already at 80-90% there compared to the top psykers here

the only real differences is micro decisions and maybe some positioning. Maybe also some playstyle adjustments.
Based on the video vods i saw.

Before i left for a 1 month break i was already topping a5histg consistently.
I really don't feel challenged.

i feel the hardest part is prob when you need to solo "everything"

[plucky flax]

You're better than me.

[outer vessel]

Half of playing darktide is just making the right choices

target priority is everything later on

[untold niche]

but thats moreso based on experience rather tha some mechanic you had to learn or master

[zinc phoenix]

That’s a sign builds are too strong. We didn’t all become reflex because of the patch, our power level just got boosted to OVER 9000

[hearty oak]

I've tried the knife. It hurts my brain, I do not get it. Like the mk 13g chainsword works way better for me for a fast swinging melee but the knife is just... a great kills stealing weapon??

[untold niche]

no you are my masta but i will always hate that you brag about your god rol :v

[plucky flax]

Me still playing in sedition

[outer vessel]

and when shit gets rough, having an escape plan is what makes you go from "well I lost" to "I can probably save this run"

[haughty star]

Honestly just nerf the game for yourself if you feel they need some artificially choking build limitations

[untold niche]

me me will always respect you sisho

[haughty star]

You don't have to spend talent points

[outer vessel]

anyways, time to lay down for sleep

[haughty star]

[outer vessel]

https://youtube.com/shorts/n9NZBShEwsI?si=Bn6mGpNaAGQY6UIK

[hot zephyr]

That moment when it's sunday evening, and your melk money is about to reset but you still need mission completes, and queue into QP sedition

[plucky flax]

Knife has crazy mobility. Excellent at elites, monsters, and carapace damage. The only down side is a bit slow horde clear but entirely doable.

[outer vessel]

Here, have something cute before I vanish

[zinc phoenix]

The game can’t create harder content anymore because they’ve already hit the technical limit for how much shit they can spawn in without breaking computers

They need to nerf players

[outer vessel]

make harder enemies

[hearty oak]

Just throw in weakened daemonhosts at random

[outer vessel]

variety will help create more challenges

[untold niche]

they could make some boss need to have you do something on timing

[zinc phoenix]

Because that worked

[plucky flax]

Short knife clip. I let you do whatever you want
https://youtu.be/_88_iKC4Vug

[untold niche]

like imo the dclaw parry timing is insanely generous

[hot zephyr]

Knife is weird, because you want the 3rd heavy on the mark 6 for mega damage. So you gotta just spam a couple lights out, then wind up that devastating heavy, and when it crits it's absolutely stupid.

[haughty star]

Idk call me crazy but fuckshark could really do some optimization lol

[plucky flax]

Push attack is the same as heavy 3 on mk6.

[zinc phoenix]

They already have, but they also have to target a spec range that results in this remaining a viable product

[plucky flax]

Spam push attack its good

[untold niche]

this is such a "typical night in london" xD

[plucky flax]

Shank u blud

[haughty star]

Honestly this game is hot steamy dogshit for optimization lol

And that's being kind

[hearty oak]

Could just be my luck using it then. I have been doing that, I just keep thinking "all this damage can be done better with the axe"

[untold niche]

this game is why i want to upgrade to a 4090

:v

[haughty star]

It wont help

[untold niche]

im on a 1080 ti

[hearty oak]

It's cpu based isn't it?

[haughty star]

I still have issues holding 100fps on a 7900xtx and a 7800x3d

[untold niche]

not exactly sure for this game

but its not like i will keep my cpu if i upgrade

no dlss?

i saw ultra dlss raytracing on 4k they were hitting like 100+

[strange vault]

Melk pulling through

[zinc phoenix]

Also hot take but remove curios

[plucky flax]

Yeah well combat axe is op. Knife does better monster damage though.

The bleed

[hearty oak]

When I upgraded to a 13900k. My game ran much better with my cores to use

[untold niche]

i like them, but dont make them rng
let me customize all three

[rare arrow]

I’m listening

[zinc phoenix]

A lot of hyper aggro builds rely on the ability to just negate most of the threat from gunners

Like you watch that vid above he’s barely bothering to dodge slide the gunners 😂

[plucky flax]

I'm on 9900k and 3090 my performance is quite bad on high settings.

[hearty oak]

Yeah it is. And when they nerf bm, I will probably swap back to heavy evisc or chainsword

[zinc phoenix]

I’m just sayin, if they reduce our survivability they can cut spawn counts and have more danger in the game

[untold niche]

wait he dodged everytime he didn't use ulti

[plucky flax]

Toughness on dodge, a bunch of damage reduction via talents. Zealot is balanced

[rare arrow]

Just up spawn count

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah there’s that too 😂

[rare arrow]

We are on a planet with Billions of heretics

Send them at me

[zinc phoenix]

But I already talked about how “balans” builds are 😂

[rare arrow]

Give me a non-stop horde mode

[rare arrow]

Zealots are more balanced now. Back in my day we had 97% damage reduction from 1 talent lol

[untold niche]

oh.

wait

i hsowu

[plucky flax]

On knife zealot I feel as tanky as middle keystone ogryn.

[untold niche]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/G4vQL9
this my planned build but case chaanged to lancoolmesh2 with phanteak m25s case fans

[zinc phoenix]

But you’re also finger banging so hard you’ll need an amputation

[untold niche]

gpu either strim or the asus one

[zinc phoenix]

unless modding

[plucky flax]

Yeah rip right index finger after a knife round.

[strange vault]

What does this mean btw?

[hearty oak]

When you are about to blow, use vent

[untold niche]

venting shriek

[plucky flax]

You have to blow yourself

[untold niche]

[plucky flax]

Then gets revived.

[strange vault]

So when im at 100% shriek or I do another thing after hitting 100% then shriek

[untold niche]

you know how you go over 100% peril your character touches their face

and after 2 second you go boom

when you see the touch face

use venting shriek

[strange vault]

Gotcha

[plucky flax]

Yes touch me daddy

[strange vault]

Never blown myself up yet but apparently Ive saved myself 6 times

Ty ty fellas

[untold niche]

shut up chaos

[plucky flax]

Sorry

I'm bored of this game my playtime is way down. Pls gif contents

[untold niche]

play the josho meme build

ogryn shield, no gun,3x stamina curio, block only

[plucky flax]

I don't like to grief that much

Even when I meme I use smite only and that's still op

[hearty oak]

I am starting to hit that point

We need to start sedition races

[untold niche]

for real, isn't there people doing speedruns for this game?

why not you guys try that

as in partake in that community

[plucky flax]

So op in fact my teammate killed me

https://youtu.be/b657tHKOPcQ

[hearty oak]

Cause speedrunning is cringe. I want those Mario type races

[untold niche]

yeah thats why i said this game needs more skill expression :p
needs

more things for you to master

[haughty star]

100fps with dllss 3.0 engaged is bad

[hearty oak]

Barrel tech

[haughty star]

That means roughly 40 fps without fake frames and upscaling lol

[plucky flax]

Man hit the barrel and missed all the huge ogryns

[hearty oak]

hey guys, I'm here to tell you how to skip the bridge of chasm terminus with a bareel

[marble crater]

What do the different colors mean?

[untold niche]

100+
i don't remember the exact number
i was just curious

but its with raytracing on as well

[haughty star]

100fps with frame gen isn't really 100 fps lol

[untold niche]

pink is basically if you take that tree (you can take pink as green tbh)
orange is majority agreed but debatable

actually PC(Perilious combustion) should be orange

[haughty star]

If you're getting less than 75 frames without gen it's a real bad experience with input lag and ghosting

[untold niche]

yeah im aware, im not sure if hes using dlss3.0 though

[haughty star]

He is lol

[untold niche]

ah

hmm

then i would prob run it on high with raytracing, or turn off raytracing. idk

my gpu is dying

[hearty oak]

No, the new endgame for darktide is going onto the steam forums and making a topic everyone agrees with

[untold niche]

i was of the opinion it would be to come here and teach all the others like what you guys are doing

[haughty star]

4090 ain't worth it rn until it drops below 2k again lol

You can get a xtx that's 85 percent as fast for 900 dollars lol

Or a 4080 that's just a Lil slower than that xtx but has dlss bullshit for 1200

[hearty oak]

Even on the discord, I could tell you the most optimal gear setup but it carry people in the game. Like a blazing trauma staff

Need both sides of your brain working to use that

[untold niche]

these people along with purg apprentice, pygex, chaos, atlas really made my psyker much better

thats pretty much all the psyker mains i know here

[hearty oak]

Honestly, I only asked some things when descriptions for blessings and affects are too vague for me

Like I didn't know charmed reload was giving you false information

[untold niche]

but again, i feel more than 50% (to me itsl ike 70-80%) comes from gear.

[hot zephyr]

Honestly, this chat is a great source of info, the atheneum has the answer people are looking for 9/10 times anyways, and when it doesn't it's usually because it's a subjective/playstyle thing like "what's the best blitz ability"

[untold niche]

so the gear itself is realyl important
and they gave some tips too

[haughty star]

Games like this just frustrate me cuz I have literally a top one percentile rig and it still runs like garbage without turning settings down, garbage upscaling, or fake frames lol

[untold niche]

like use shriek for teammates

[haughty star]

And I play at 2k UWQHD so like

[marble crater]

So red is bad because the talents don't work as said, that's easy enough. Circles = good, X = bad, Green always good, Orange sometimes good, Pink for the different builds, did I get that right?

[haughty star]

There's no farking reason for it

[untold niche]

orange is good, but some respected people here argued against it in specific situations

and red is not only doesnt work as said

the quell movement speed one, if you can, you should avoid because you can quell while sliding

it does work as advertised though.

[untold niche]

thats why i want to get a 4090 :p

[haughty star]

That's the thing

[hearty oak]

You can roll into a damnation missions with white gear and it'll still perform the same just minus a few blessings and perks and still make it though

[marble crater]

I think I need a few more fingers to quell and slide on Xbox thank you

[haughty star]

It wont help with this game lol

[untold niche]

i always thoguht of it as my panic button, so i never thought i could use it to help teammates to make my game easier.

it had a noticeable impact for me.

[untold niche]

i doubt i can do that esp with void xD

[hot zephyr]

Shriek's best utility use is knocking a dog off a distant teammate

[haughty star]

Game looks like garbage and runs like it too tbh. Biggest letdown with this game is the graphics optimization

[hearty oak]

Some classes are harder than others

[untold niche]

i think its also you who told me i could use shriek though the wall, that was a fucking revelation as well

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, shrieking through walls/windows also powerful

[untold niche]

so yeah to me DT end game is just giving back to the community

i don't know why people argue against my comment that this game honestly is not a hard game.

[mental rock]

What? Darktide looks great to me, although I do agree it's poorly optimized

[haughty star]

It's underwhelming

[untold niche]

tbh the lighting could use some work, and im not only referencing visibility

[haughty star]

For how it runs it should look much better or vice versa

[hearty oak]

Its not when you have a team who talk and know what they are doing, You have to mod the game to be harder

[hot zephyr]

There's a whole other conversation here. Because 99.9% of games are not designed to be hard. difficulty does not provide fun.

[haughty star]

Also the texturing is like

Real bad

In some places (like the "breathtaking" ghosted view of atoma and space we have from Morningstar windows)

[untold niche]

i play pubs only though
in asia none of us uses mics
people only type to salt or type gg

[hearty oak]

Mostly the same all around the world

[haughty star]

It's easier to play with random than it is a team

Ong this game cranks the shit show up in a strike team

[untold niche]

when i mean hard i mean the skill ceiling, which is why i keep asking for more outlets for skill expression.

Like in killing floor 2, there is one class. gunslinger, double wield, bullets shoot from the side. recoil is the same, so you actually need to learn how to control the recoil if you wanna do takedowns. and also get used to the fact that the bullets will cross.
And also reload cancelling.

You have none of that if you played a simpler class, but being able to pull that off, or rather having an outlet to pull off something cool is waht i want.

[haughty star]

Just go scriers and dd melee psyker

Bonus points if you have a absolutely trash tier secondary

And no smite

[untold niche]

the "bad" thing about that game is it feels repetitive after a while
way quicker than DT for me

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, I was just going to say, you want skill ceiling? Try my gunker build:
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b1bcfeb-c53e-438a-9226-d42b6540ace0/psychotic-gunker-sail-gaze-ep

[hearty oak]

I just see DT as L4D2 and suddenly the replaying of maps isnt so bad

[untold niche]

DT i don't really have an opportunity to pull off cool stuff
The highest skill expression build i seen is the gunker build where you quick swap with assail

ds4, assail, not sure what the gun would be

[haughty star]

Knife zealot and weapons specialist vets come to mind

[hot zephyr]

I mean, I just linked it for you

[untold niche]

ya i was already mid way of typing it before you sent it xD

[mental rock]

Columnus iag or revolver for gun psyker probably

[haughty star]

Honestly the melee idea I posted is pretty fuckin high skill cap too lol. It's really rewarding but really punishing

[untold niche]

but personally i don't think i will play that because i don't like how assail feels
right now im grinding to gear up for zealot, to grind for a caxe

[haughty star]

My zealot will forever have a crusher

Too team supportive to let go of

[untold niche]

yeah that being able to pull waht you said off is more fundamental skill, its not something specific if that makes sense

If you can pull of that, you can pull off anything in DT

[hot zephyr]

I purposely play it because when I was younger I played a lot of games that required extremely high skill floors to make things work, mostly because I have a brain that won't shut up sometimes, so the high APM of a build like this actually makes my brain shut up and focus on the game.

[untold niche]

you should try nioh 2

extremely high skill ceiling

you know how DMC

is

DMC skill ceiling is how cool you can look?

yeah similar. but i liked nioh 2

[hot zephyr]

Well, I'm older now and have less gaming time, so something I can jump in/out quickly like darktide is where I'm at these days

[untold niche]

thats why i enjoy DT too, but honestly i feel alot of people here who play DT never played high skill ceiling games or like got decent at them

[hot zephyr]

Being "good" at those games is relative, because your own play from day to day can influence things.

You play a session while a little tired or not feeling right and suddenly it feels like you have sausage fingers and derp derp brain

[untold niche]

within a margin
but its obvious how good you are

Like a very good player on autopilot will still beat a under average player trying his best

if its the context of nioh2, just being able to pull off certain tech can show how much you mastered the game

If its the context of e.g. competitive team based games, aim is one, decision making would be quite obvious of a difference between like a decent playr and under average player

like if i were to ask you to record a darktide video right now, your positioning would still be better than mine on my best day

[hearty oak]

I need to play GTFO but i dont have any friends for that

[hot zephyr]

I am not good at this game lol. My positioning is hiliariously reckless and poor, and I just dps my way through it by having rediculous output

But that's because I'm purposely playing overly aggressive and reckless

[untold niche]

its an example of how better players will have better autopilot

and that would be obvious

[hot zephyr]

Fair, and I appreciate the compliment, but I definitely am not the calculated video-worthy type who you should emulate lol

[untold niche]

can't LFG?
personally i don't really like LFGing cause of my accent and i sound slightly squeaky
I don't want to hide my accent like some asian youtubers i seen but not being understood and having to speak non-normally isn't pleasant for me

[radiant frigate]

positioning? i just try not to be out in the open in case of gunner squads

[hot zephyr]

Wear 50% gunner resist and charge them with knife

[untold niche]

yeah usually i abuse walls
but i don't know exactly how to explain it.

[hearty oak]

Never tried. Plus i prefer playing with friends for something like that and then take it from there

[radiant frigate]

you joke but i frequently end up doing this (except force sword)

[hearty oak]

Once i learn how a game is, i will start PUGing it out

[hot zephyr]

Yeah but that actually should work if you have deflector lol

[radiant frigate]

i do not

[untold niche]

none of my friends even those that like games want to spend much on games

its weird because a group of them gamble

[hearty oak]

[untold niche]

i was like if you don't gamble like twice you can fucking buy the game

which provides you more fun per dollar

[radiant frigate]

gambling?

cringe

legitimately

[untold niche]

i would say i don't judge vices.

those same group asked if i wanted to go with them for "massages"
I declined because i wans't interested

[hearty oak]

Lethal company is a more fun game

[radiant frigate]

perhaps they are rich™

[untold niche]

nah not really

its around 100+ bucks here for a massage + "massage"

its not something you would do every week but not something you cant afford

[untold niche]

i found it boring
bosses are just knowledge checks

[radiant frigate]

to each their own i suppose

[hearty oak]

And darktide isnt?

[untold niche]

i mean darktide needs you to slip n slide and whatever

xD

[hearty oak]

At least its goofy enough i enjoy it with friends

[untold niche]

need to aim you know

xD

[hearty oak]

Its ok, we have boolet magnatism

[untold niche]

then i think its moreso you guys just want an outlet to hang out
rather than the game itself being fun

which is good

uh

[hearty oak]

Look, any game i can put on a mask and kill my friends is a game worth trying

[untold niche]

im not here to

gatekeep what makes a game fun or not
its good you are having fun i think.

[edgy pulsar]

what's the point of the Obscurus force sword?

[hearty oak]

At this point when i play Darktide, i am just waiting to see the salt pour in whenever something goes wrong

so i can start the banter

[hexed geyser]

Existing. No other purpose

[hearty oak]

To be the one and only force sword at launch. Now its left into... obscurity

[mental rock]

The obscurus is a fine letter opener

[untold niche]

i went through the "better"/"harder" version of college
During that time i was on the grind.
Now in uni, after the first sem during which alot of stuff happens, im back to the mindset that happiness is key.

Within a few personal boundaries of course

[edgy pulsar]

i feel like the Deimos does the same thing but better

[hot zephyr]

It's a compromise between the illisi and deimos. Illisi is great horde clear, but bad at bosses/bulk, Deimos is great boss/bulk murder.

[untold niche]

bulk?
I thought deimos only good at 1 tapping muties xD

[hot zephyr]

That's what I mean, high hp single targets. Mutants, reapers, bulwarks, etc

[untold niche]

ohhh, you use it to stab oggies too?

[hot zephyr]

I can only assume, i haven't run force swords in over a year

And back then only the Obscurus existed

[edgy pulsar]

they're very cool but i wish the charge lasted longer...

[untold niche]

genuinely asking because i thought you would usually shoot oggies
with bulwark i shoot them with void so its under this context for me

like if deimos could actually 1 tap the reaper

hmmm.

HMMMM

[hot zephyr]

I melee ogryns with my builds generally, because I find ranged horde clear to be more fun / consistant the way I like to play

[untold niche]

ah, im too used to melee for horde clear i think

[hot zephyr]

Through I'm working on blessing up a voidstrike and a trauma staff right now so i can try those playstyles more

[untold niche]

i watched pygex voidstrike and its so different from mine

i only ever switch to my illisi if im getting surrounded or i want to kill a dog

and i almost never smite

[hearty oak]

Smite is a noobtrap if im honest

[hot zephyr]

Void heavily depends on the blessings how it runs, it's like three different weapons depending what you have

[untold niche]

i think in mixed horde it would be good to smite?
but most of the times i want to kill the stuff myself / don't trust team / both so i almost never smite

[hot zephyr]

Nexus turns it into a nuke, surge turns it into a grenade launcher, and transfer turns it into a machine gun

[untold niche]

i took nexus and surge
pygex takes nexus and the charge rate one

thats prob is transfer

8% stack 3 times

[hot zephyr]

I'm building flurry + transfer for machine gun

[untold niche]

oh flurry

not transfer

wait

im confsued

hold on

lemme

[hearty oak]

I think people dont understand there is a difference in holding the horde and simply killing it. Assail i would hold more value that smite just because it helps with trash clearing but they always lean too much into it rather than using their staffs to help with bulkier types

[hot zephyr]

Void you always want flurry for the charge rate improvement imo

The exception is nexus + surge for nuclear double barrel shotgun

But that is hard to make

[radiant frigate]

hard to make, wdym

[hot zephyr]

Surge is only a T4 blessing, so it's very hard to get

There's no lvl 1-3 of it

[untold niche]

ah ok
pygex took flurry and nexus
I took nexus and surge

[radiant frigate]

ah, so that's what you mean

[rare arrow]

Which is weird to me

[untold niche]

i think its because people don't like holding the horde
at least for me.
Thats why i don't use ds4. i feel like im just (barely) surviving the horde isntead of "killing it"

When im overwhelmed i don't want to just survive the horde esp if there is going to be something high priority in the background.
Which is why i run illisi

[rare arrow]

Void feels slow to charge after using surge so muc. But man does it just murder

[untold niche]

@hot zephyr on this topic
I might grind for another voidstrike just so i can go back to pygex one
because i was using that one

[rare arrow]

Also clearing a horde is easier than holding it imo

[untold niche]

as far as in my experience with my build.
the only good thing about surge is you can panic kill 6 crushers

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, void basically has 3 builds:
Nexus + Flurry or Nexus + Surge -> Nuke launcher
Surge + Flurry -> Grenade Launcher
Transfer + Flurry -> Machine Gun

[untold niche]

else, ragers stumble from the blast anyway so usually i just half charge 2 tap. which happens at any level of DD stacks. i assume i have this liberty because of the maniac perk

[rare arrow]

I like nexus surge which is slightly slower at the power that surge procs more reliably on non hordes

I don’t like transfer surge

[untold niche]

but what feels bad is to 1 tap gunners, i need full charge and full DD stacks.
unless i get a surge proc.
its annoying to have to 2 shot gunners esp their head is so fucking small
Which is why i prob would prefer nexus flurry over nexus surge

perks i ran cara and maniac (not sure if its obvious)

[hot zephyr]

I think I am going to do Transfer + Flurry with a Warp Siphon build, stack my damage that way rather than DD

[rare arrow]

I don’t like flurry without transfer really

[untold niche]

if you didn't know, you have enough time to quell 1 tick before flurry "runs out"

thats why people run flurry nexus

[rare arrow]

It makes an awkward quell loop where you aren’t actually machine gunning it

Which is the whole point

[hot zephyr]

I'm thinking like, BR into CDR aura into Bubble Shield into Warp Siphon but pickup True Aim for the crits to proc Mettle and PT

[untold niche]

doesn't for me, im used to shoot-quell-shoot
except with flurry my charge time is much faster.

so it doesn't really change anything other than give me more dps

and my playstyle is almost always on staff so that flurry is essentially permanent

[rare arrow]

I like the boss damage from nexus surge

Oh I switch around a lot I don’t use any 1 piece of the kit for more than a third of the mission

[untold niche]

hold on lemme go see how it owuld look like

[rare arrow]

Or is the goal, each piece is meant for a specific situation

[rare arrow]

I only like Bb with EP

[hot zephyr]

This is what I'm kinda thinking very quickly (totally no optimized yet)

Voidstrike but focused on flat damage boosts

[untold niche]

would we be saving points by not taking PC?

[hot zephyr]

It's hard to get everything you want when you go warp siphon

[untold niche]

wait i thought you said you wanted PT and mettle

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, I did, but choices are hard

[untold niche]

why take BR when you have voidstaff?

[hot zephyr]

If I take PT and mettle, I don't have the points to to get True Aim

[rare arrow]

Could drop the point after the CDR passive

[untold niche]

its just something you want to do?

personally it doesnt make sense but i get that sometimes you just want to want things a certain way

[untold niche]

you could drop bobble second augment

[hot zephyr]

true, could drop sanc

[rare arrow]

Void does everything bb already does, I agree

[untold niche]

drop EE as well

[rare arrow]

Is there a reason you want bb?

[untold niche]

im just going to assume because he wants it that way

[hot zephyr]

Yeah I just want to run it basically.

[haughty star]

This is the best I got so far for this poor thing

[hot zephyr]

I have a lot of penances for BB to do, so I want a BB build

[haughty star]

Would yall call it passable?

[rare arrow]

Why warp siphon

Er war stacks

[hot zephyr]

With Voidstrike with flurry + transfer you want flat damage boosts, and the peril reduction from charges is very strong to help keep blasting away

[rare arrow]

I feel like if you take bb and void you just aren’t going to use bb

[untold niche]

imo essence harvest is better in your case tae

hold on

[haughty star]

Bb still good for super long range

[hot zephyr]

Nah, Soulstealer and Quietude is enough toughness sustain

[haughty star]

Quick sniper grabs etc

[hearty oak]

Ehh.. it's serviceable for sure. I would have just kept going till I got my 2 desired perks/blessings

[rare arrow]

So is void staff

[untold niche]

but why would you need the peril gen reduction for

you aren't running gaze

[hot zephyr]

Like I said, this is way un-optimized, I'm assuming like my purgatus build I'll want to avoid quelling as much as possible so I can keep blasting away

[untold niche]

ah

[hot zephyr]

If I don't need it, I could swap to essence harvest

[untold niche]

but yeah either way, drop EE and the secodn bobble augment

[hot zephyr]

Yeah I like that, I've saved it in game lantern

[untold niche]

i tried EE at the start with void for a long time and it just doesn't feel like its there

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, you need crit aura to make the most of EE, or something that's going to just hit so many targets you are bound to crit enough like purge

[zinc phoenix]

It’d really make more sense to go down the assail side if you want crits

[untold niche]

from what i understand, you basically need an actual machine gun

or assail

[hot zephyr]

Columunus + True Aim works pretty well.

[untold niche]

he said he wanted both BR and CDR aura

[rare arrow]

This feels like a voidstrike optimization build I just don’t feel you’ll use BB, if you want to BB for penances I feel you may not want to use void

[hot zephyr]

Oh it's totally dumb

[untold niche]

yeah he already admitted he just wants this

[hot zephyr]

That's the point

I don't need to follow meta, I wanna just have fun

[rare arrow]

Ah fair enough then

[zinc phoenix]

That’s dumb

[haughty star]

My bad I've only ever used surge lol

[rare arrow]

I wasn’t saying about following the meta

[hot zephyr]

Like, I'm half debating saying screw the CDR aura and take KP instead

[untold niche]

what will you bb?
just curious
definitely would be funny to watch flayer proc as you shoot void into the horde though thats for sure

[rare arrow]

I was just saying I don’t see a time you’d pull out BB to get those penances

[hot zephyr]

Cus the reason to take SP was to get both EE and OwtW

[untold niche]

it is

[rare arrow]

To get the BB penances I made a build where BB had a place

[hot zephyr]

My truama build is a BR EP build, which is much more BR centric

This is mostly just a dumb idea seeing if this could be fun

[untold niche]

that wouldn't save you any nodes i think

[zinc phoenix]

id run void assail empower bubble if i was gonna void ho https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9b1d7cfe-8321-45ca-9596-c576ebf4bf53

[rare arrow]

Brother have fun that’s all that matters

[rare arrow]

And yea BR fire trauma is my br build

[tulip kettle]

Taertimus, I pretty much run the same build with BB EP and a void

[hot zephyr]

it wouldn't, but it's 5% extra damage to elites which could make crushers a 2 shot

[untold niche]

i think crushers are already 2 shot without 5% but if you tested it then disregard

[zinc phoenix]

Like the whole point of void is to max out crits so you can have surge constantly triggering and hit EE all the time to ignore incoming damage

[tulip kettle]

It's not the BEST most META build, and you could say BB is wasted with void

But it's Hella fun

[hot zephyr]

I need to do a LOT of testing on this to see what the breakpoints are

[untold niche]

i had flurry and nexus for some time and i didnt even feel EE on my void

[haughty star]

Oh shit

This the missing puzzle piece

Thank you good sir

[rare arrow]

What

[zinc phoenix]

Blaze trauma with bb is pretty standard tbh

[untold niche]

eh not really
just test with 4x warp siphon stack
then test 2x full charge headshot no crit,
1x crit, 1x no crit
and 2x crit

[tulip kettle]

EE on void does suck, unless like oddball said, you are running nexus surge perfect timing and fishing for crits

[haughty star]

For a ammoless BR build

[haughty star]

I have a Columbus with all 78 or over except ammo I use for br

It's actually kinda goated

[rare arrow]

Oh yea trauma venting bb

[tulip kettle]

But flurry transfer with battle med is very strong in a different way, and is also fun and viable

[untold niche]

even on nexus surge ee still sucked personally

[rare arrow]

Trauma for horde, venting for horde and quell

[zinc phoenix]

The whole point of col IAG gunker is maxing out crits so you can take advantage of the absurd crit strings on the gun to obliterate everything. Bb with that makes no sense

[haughty star]

Do you use warp siphon or ep to beef up the br

[rare arrow]

I also take EP and save the BB stacks so they are stronger and faster when I really need them

[haughty star]

Hmm

[zinc phoenix]

Why? Youre better off shrieking more with wc and trauma is high peril gen so benefits from more shrieking

[untold niche]

this is what i run
initially it was EE instead of quietude.
that trade was so worth it lol.

[tulip kettle]

I personally agree and think nexus surge void is worse and unfun but a few loud voices think there is only one way to build and play

[zinc phoenix]

EP boosting bb with trauma is weird because bb is very secondary in a trauma build

[rare arrow]

Why what

BB, venting, trauma, ep

EP makes BB usable

[haughty star]

Ep can be very powerful coupled with the venting effect

[untold niche]

@tulip kettle atm running nexus surge but i feel like i would prefer going back to nexus flurry

[haughty star]

It's just more spam on it

[rare arrow]

It allows you to chain BB whole back lines if elites are 1 sec each

[untold niche]

only good part about surge in my experience ^

[haughty star]

I can clear a area of elites before anyone puts a sword to flesh on more areas than a shield is useful lol

[haughty star]

Yup

[tulip kettle]

Surge lets me 1 shot crusher when I crit

[zinc phoenix]

You’re not one hitting anything new with bb and ep and shriek

[tulip kettle]

Otherwise it means lower total DPS due to the need to quell

[rare arrow]

Trauma deals with horse crushers and maulers, really anything. Then shrieks quells and has horde clear

[haughty star]

Everything but crushers and reapers you are

Bro do you even bb

[tulip kettle]

With transfer and flurry you shoot forwver

No he doesnt

[rare arrow]

You’re telling me you don’t think 50% damage hits any BB thresholds?

[zinc phoenix]

Which you already did. Maybe muties?

[zinc phoenix]

I mean, do you know of any?

[tulip kettle]

He thinks only assail is any good and BB is not worth taking

[rare arrow]

BB does not one shot most elites without it

[untold niche]

forgot to mention i edge peril so i wouldn't play transfer

im not saying

its bad btw

i just saying

my own playstyle

[rare arrow]

It also makes BB free and half the cast time

[hot zephyr]

here's what an EP version might look like for flurry/transfer void + BR

[zinc phoenix]

That’s funny because I literally talked about how I use bb with blaze trauma. I just don’t see the point in making it a primary

[haughty star]

If I never buffed bb I'd think it doesn't one tap most elites too lol

[zinc phoenix]

This works well as a more supportive void but I wouldn’t run surge on void

[zinc phoenix]

Yes but you can clap them faster and more efficiently doing most anything else

[tulip kettle]

Just, not true

[haughty star]

At range and with literally no risk not really

[tulip kettle]

We argued over this the other day

[zinc phoenix]

Let’s say you clap 3 crusher in a 20 crusher blob with bb/shriek/ep. They have now arrived and there are still 17

[untold niche]

actually would changing assail to smite work?

[rare arrow]

Also we are disregarding the fact you get to machine gun a boss with BB if needed and you really want to drop ep stacks lol

[tulip kettle]

BB also has insane monstrosity DPS with EP and shriek

[zinc phoenix]

Yes but imo the advantage of assail with good is low peril gen

[untold niche]

when do you have 20 crusher blob >:v

[tulip kettle]

You can get 10 BB out in 12 seconds

[zinc phoenix]

Which is not the same thing as the claim that it is actually good for cleaning up elites

[rare arrow]

Assail, bubble, ep is my voidstrike build

[untold niche]

worst one for me was 12

[tulip kettle]

It is good for that

[rare arrow]

Though warp stacks are better if you’ll spam void more

[untold niche]

20 blob, i actually never seen it before

[zinc phoenix]

When director decides fuck that guy in particular

[haughty star]

I've seen a mob of crushers that size maybe 10 times in the whole time I've been playing on auric damn

[zinc phoenix]

And does two crusher waves

[untold niche]

12 blob is 6+6 already

from waht i understand each crusher blob has only a maximum of 6

[haughty star]

It's not for crushers

[tulip kettle]

It's hyperbole to try to make a point

[haughty star]

It's for literally everything that it can one tap

[zinc phoenix]

Ok, so then it is for ragers?

[haughty star]

It'll one tap ragers

[tulip kettle]

Until you pop 6 rangers in 6 seconds you don't understand

[zinc phoenix]

But why wouldn’t you just void them for the same?

Or trauma them and handle unlimited number

[rare arrow]

Because BB is faster and no peril gain

[tulip kettle]

Because void costs more and is less safe and isn't guaranteed

[zinc phoenix]

And also leaves you stationary

[tulip kettle]

You can also BB round corners

[haughty star]

Bb doesn't leave you stationary lmao wtf

[tulip kettle]

What
? Stationary?

Like I said

[rare arrow]

What? Do you think BB immobilizes you?

[zinc phoenix]

Which is great for specials and requires zero investment

[haughty star]

It's full walk speed

[rare arrow]

“9”

[zinc phoenix]

My guys, are you trying to claim you can do anything more than the slow shuffle with bb?

May as well be stationary

[tulip kettle]

Oddball just hates BB because he hasn't used a good build for it

[haughty star]

It's full strafe speed bruh

[tulip kettle]

Dude

[zinc phoenix]

🤷‍♀️ I’ve been playing longer than any of you

[tulip kettle]

You are the same speed charging void staff as BB

How if we all played since beta?

[rare arrow]

Doubt it

[tulip kettle]

Who cares how long?

[rare arrow]

Unless you did the March and April tests too in 2022

Not that length of time played = intelligence

[untold niche]

wait legit?
I defo feel slower when charging BB

[rare arrow]

He’s making an assumption because he joined the discord sooner

[tulip kettle]

It's just oddball

[rare arrow]

Maybe not considering the fact that people can leave and rejoin

[untold niche]

as in this is true?

[tulip kettle]

He just likes arguing and stating his opinion as fact instead of an opinion

[rare arrow]

This just ignore

[zinc phoenix]

My man tell me more about how great kinetic flayer is

😂

[tulip kettle]

There we go again

Never said it was good

Said it has uses and isn't as bad as you like to pretend

An opinion

[zinc phoenix]

And what do you take it over again!

[hot zephyr]

Actually Dom, I tried KF on my purgatus build this morning. I was geuinely surprised how nice it was for mixed-packs of trash + elites

[tulip kettle]

But oh no facts say it's not META and I will lose by taking KF instead of 5% tdr

[haughty star]

Why use smite when you can just flatten the horde with Columbus

[zinc phoenix]

True truths

[haughty star]

Why use revolver when you can just bb

People just want to run stuff man lol

[zinc phoenix]

Revolver can one clap crusher, bb can’t 🤷‍♀️

[haughty star]

On a chance

[untold niche]

on this point i actually rather run volvo

[tulip kettle]

Lol he is being ironic

[untold niche]

oh

[tulip kettle]

Ofc revolver is stronger than BB

Does it mean you should never ever run BB?

[untold niche]

i should take my leave

i prob

[zinc phoenix]

I’m not saying bb has no use, I am saying investing 2 extra points in buffing it is not as good as spending them elsewhere

[untold niche]

have been here chatting

for like 3 hours

[rare arrow]

This

[haughty star]

Buffed bb is fun

[rare arrow]

I know the type of person they are, better for me to just bow out here

[haughty star]

[zinc phoenix]

Well if it makes you happy

[untold niche]

why you so mean :(

[zinc phoenix]

That is fine and valid

[haughty star]

And it's not not viable

[rare arrow]

No, I agree I’m also taking my leave lol

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah exactly that’s fine. My comment isn’t “buffed bb is unusable” it’s just there’s better stuff. If the response is “but I like it more” then yeah ofc you do you we all have beloved non meta builds

[untold niche]

holy fucking shit im here for 4 hours

[zinc phoenix]

Me out here with kant12 exe stance vet aka the least meta shit ever having my joy

[rare arrow]

Makes sense, you’re a plasteel farmer

[untold niche]

plasteel farmer not notification farmer

[rare arrow]

Lol

[untold niche]

this 4 hours my game isnt even on

[rare arrow]

I have this place muted

I just pop in at lunch or breaks when I’m not home

[untold niche]

i have all channels muted

as in all servers

esp game servers

only "personal" servers aren't muted

[zinc phoenix]

“Breaks” everyone knows what that means 🚽

[rare arrow]

I’m in the shitter now lol

[haughty star]

I mean if that's the case than just critique every non trauma/smite or whatever people consider to be the meta for psyker lmao

[rare arrow]

Company can’t stop me >.>

[haughty star]

I don't even know tbh I build my builds lol

[zinc phoenix]

😂

[untold niche]

i sort my discord into
personal, communities, gmae servers, grey market stuff, IT related servers, school discords,"less used"

[rare arrow]

Tbh I assume there is a meta for each blitz. Though voidstrike does it all

[zinc phoenix]

Discord, where people go to literally shit post

[haughty star]

I like the surge staff

Feels cool

[untold niche]

eh trauma actually top tier from what i seen but i hate it because you need to god roll

[zinc phoenix]

Tbh it’s probably crit focused gunker with col iag, everything else doesn’t really match up

[tulip kettle]

And I hate the surge staff

And trauma

[zinc phoenix]

It’s also literally good

[tulip kettle]

Because surge is short ranged and trauma knocks everything down without killing it

[haughty star]

Surge+smite, basically become tesla coil

[tulip kettle]

We all have preferences

[untold niche]

thats why you god roll trauma

[tulip kettle]

Even god roll doesn't kill

[untold niche]

but i dont do i will stay salty

[tulip kettle]

I have 2 lol

[haughty star]

Surge has lmb for everything long range

[tulip kettle]

It's just preference dude

[haughty star]

It's kinda crap damage but it's enough to quickly dispatch shooters

Yeah I know lol

[tulip kettle]

If I'm pressing lmb on a staff I feel I'm using it wrong

[plucky flax]

Pls buff trauma I can't kill anything

[tulip kettle]

They are for charging or bonking

[untold niche]

80 for all three major stats?
I think damage could be 75/76 as long as you can 1 tap bruiser
but from what agent chaos said blaze trauma you basically need 80 for all three major stats

fucker always pops up when blaze trauma mentioned

[zinc phoenix]

You can get away with lower and be fine

High roll is important for any weapon

But like… it’s ok

[tulip kettle]

My blaze trauma isn't max but it's fine, my rending only has flurry 3

[haughty star]

My Surge staff is like my only 540+ wep with coherence

[untold niche]

iirc the 75/76 is to one tap bruisers
which imo is important

[zinc phoenix]

I do have a god roll flurry rending but I don’t use it

[tulip kettle]

Still, I hate that it knocks stuff down without killing it

[zinc phoenix]

Meh if you’re blaze trauma they’ll burn to death anyway so it’s nbd

Plus like there’s tons of incidental damage flying around

[untold niche]

ok bye bye

[tulip kettle]

And then there's this guy @plucky flax who wants trauma buffing even more when it's already insane haha

[untold niche]

no more

[zinc phoenix]

I just want them to fix trauma interaction with stairs

[plucky flax]

What? You just said trauma can't kill stuff.

So I want it buff.

[zinc phoenix]

Dang that was an efficient kill

[tulip kettle]

Meh, not that it can't, it kills very well near the centre. It's all the stuff it flings about on the outside

Makes it so annoying when I'm lining up all those headshots then some trauma psyker comes along throws everything on the ground then leaves -.-

[hot epoch]

Can we have like, a psyker staff thats just a spellbook

[stuck sinew]

I want the Vermintide bolt staff

[plucky flax]

I am not fuss. If others play trauma it's free cc for me.

[hot epoch]

Oh

I mean yeah trauma staff can interrupt your plans, but like

[tulip kettle]

THIS, but isn't it just surge staff reskinned and with the generic LMB instead of rapid fire?

[hot epoch]

Consider that enemies flying is funny

[tulip kettle]

Noted

[radiant frigate]

best i can do is voidstrike

[tulip kettle]

Or void but without the explosion? Maybe I'm misremembering but isnt it low DMG high volume auto on LMB then charged accurate shot on RMB?

Yeah that's what I thought basically the same

[plucky flax]

Yeah bolt was so much better than current void.

[tulip kettle]

But what about THE BEAM staff

[plucky flax]

Fast projectile that can 1 shot elites.

[tulip kettle]

Where is that

[stuck sinew]

How did we go from Sienna to everything having a generic jizzball primary + 1 secondary

[tulip kettle]

Also going back playing VT and paying hp to quell

🤮

Exploding from peril not hurting yourself on that one career is also... Odd.

[vocal cliff]

Deep within the closet at FS hq

Locked behind a fridge

[haughty star]

Idk the joke about lmb lol its not that bad.

Kinda handy for quickly dispatching the ads shooters or snipers

Although I rmb the shooters if I have the breathing room cuz it's funny turning them into beef stew just as your teammate is gonna hack into em

[ebon pawn]

[midnight jolt]

Loading screen sometimes is so slow

[vocal cliff]

Game likes to take its time

too much time

[haughty star]

Loading screen slow, fps slow, run speed slow, gameplay outside of auric slow

[midnight jolt]

I'm trying to work on my awareness, as an "old man" I'm slightly blind 😂 anyone has a good advice on graphic settings? lens flares, etc?

[haughty star]

Just turn everything down until you get 100fps steady

Namely lighting effects cuz they garbage in this game

[near wyvern]

Put one point in Disrupt Destiny

[haughty star]

Just go for the blue men

[sweet whale]

Turn off the music, and listen. Don't need to see them if you can hear them coming. Also like Pygex said, DD will light things up.

[haughty star]

It lights up one dude lol

[sweet whale]

It's one more than without.

[tulip kettle]

"turn off the music"

my brother in the emperor this is heresy

im already asking my team mates not to turn around and kill the stuff behind us so the music doesnt stop

going down the staircase on sycorax in silence is so depressing and unaesthetic

doing assasination missions and the boss dies just as the first bar kicks in cos everyone has got too good at killing him

make music great again!

[haughty star]

I got the music turned off and play metal whilst enjoying this game

[ionic sorrel]

I usually play children nursery rhymes

[plucky flax]

@summer prairie 700 kills with 500k damage using combat axe. Yet 1.2k kills on trauma gives 500 something. It's just my game for some reason is beyond borked with damage calculation when using trauma.

[shrewd shard]

I’ll remove if not allowed, anybody use this type of setup, how does it hold up on damnation? https://youtu.be/1unwbNyEdeo?si=XatdPTi6MMnxjFt8

[tulip kettle]

purgatus builds are extremely strong.

his talents here are, fine, theres a few personal choices to be made