psyker-class

[untold niche]

and i allow myself maximum two shots

[long wharf]

I quell in frequent, short bursts

which is why I really like taking quell speed on every build

+30% quell speed is very noticeable

[hot zephyr]

I mean, 10% to elites isn't ideal but it's fine. You could still possibly save it if you manage to roll one of the good blessings on the next upgrade.

[vapid iron]

Well, I do like gambling

[long wharf]

then boy howdy, Darktide is the game for you

[vapid iron]

thank you for the advice :)

[long wharf]

it's nearly nothing but slot-machine lever pulling

[tawny jetty]

I'd take max warp stacks off for flame yell

[vapid iron]

I know, I spent the last two months trying to get power cycler iv

[haughty star]

For flame yell or perilous

[untold niche]

tbh not alot of things you actually need god rolls

[long wharf]

you want both

but if you really can't make more than one point available, prioritize flame yell

[long wharf]

that doesn't change the nature of "crafting" in Darktide one bit

[haughty star]

They seemingly don't do shit tho or is there something I'm missing

[long wharf]

it's nothing but lever pulling

[long wharf]

are you kidding?

[tawny pebble]

you're venting at high peril right?

[haughty star]

Yeah

[hot zephyr]

I come from Borderlands, where the level pulling is both literal and sometimes throws live grenades at you.

[tawny pebble]

uhhh then you should either be obliterating whatever's in front of you or incinerating it

[haughty star]

Or when I need to make a hole

[untold niche]

usually 300-500k dockets would give you a good stat stick
i never counted the plasteel for good base, but so far my t4 blessings i pulled within 12 gold tier weapons

[long wharf]

man, Borderlands 1 and 2 were so damn good

[long wharf]

again, doesn't change the fact that everything involved is a lever pull

[untold niche]

true.

[hot zephyr]

Even BL3 was great if you had a friend to do the campaign as co-op

[haughty star]

With warp rupture or creeping flames

[untold niche]

imagine if its bdo style though

your weapon breaks

[long wharf]

BL3 was objectively not as good as 2

[untold niche]

[tawny pebble]

respectively

[haughty star]

I liked bl3 raid crafting better than this game

Bl3 had a top tier endgame

[tawny pebble]

warp rupture should be doing a hefty chunk of damage where creeping flames should be applying soulblaze like mad

[solid dune]

What’s a good idea for a new Psyker

[haughty star]

Oh so you want both?

I've never even tried warp rupture

[untold niche]

are you level 30 yet?

[snow coral]

took a break from gunker and went back to my smite dome revolver build and it's been very refreshing and fun

[solid dune]

Nah my psyker is like lvl 3 lol

Should I do lighting or brain burst?

[untold niche]

play the levelling assail build

[tawny pebble]

you can't get both, mutually exclusive

[haughty star]

That would explain why I haven't tried than lmao

[solid dune]

What’s that

[hot zephyr]

Level as Assail + Gun, Assail is broken OP for leveling since it deals the same damage once unlocked at level 4 that it does at lvl 30

[haughty star]

Idk what the flames light up my sword will hack through in like 3 swings lol

[untold niche]

@near wyvern sorry for ping, this time im asking for someon else
newb psyker asking for your assail levelling build
on that note, i think would be good to include it in atheneum

[long wharf]

bad form to ask on behalf of someone else

that someone else can come in here to ask someone for some of their time

[solid dune]

I got my zealot to lvl 30 and decided to do psyker next

[long wharf]

or you can read the Atheneum and answer their questions yourself

[untold niche]

his build is not on the atheneum

i checked

the levellingn build at least

[long wharf]

doesn't matter

if you don't know enough about the mechanics to help him, then you won't be able to translate any advice given to you for your friend either

[solid dune]

Even if he couldn’t do much he tried and I got more information than I started with.I mainly play veteran and zealot

[haughty star]

I think I'm gonna make a psyker for my 5th

[untold niche]

uh, its just a build.
i don't think i need to translate any advice :v

[long wharf]

then read and understand your friend's questions and find the answers yourself in the Atheneum

[solid dune]

He gave me a name of someone who does know it so helpful

[hot zephyr]

Since you are very low level, just start your talent tree with something like this and work towards the blitz ability Assail. Assail is basically homing missile throwing knives that often auto-headshot stuff. They are very strong when leveling so just work towards the ability in the tree and use it

[long wharf]

it's very easy to have assail carry you

problem is you learn absolutely horrid habits

and you aren't learning how to play well

[solid dune]

Alright so get magic knives got it

I plan on getting all classes to lvl 30 then go pennant hunting

[tawny pebble]

i remember when i first started, played alongside a lot of assail siblings

barely got to fight lol

they just deleted the map on lower difficulties

[long wharf]

yeah, assail in PUGs can make the game not feel fun for others

[solid dune]

I have a buddy who plays the lighting one form crowd control

[long wharf]

it's too good at lower difficulties

sweet spot is heresy

on damnation, assail isn't deleting the horde wholesale any more

[untold niche]

yeah im not smart enough, reading atheneum doesn't tell me what would make a good psyker starter build, maybe it does but again im not smart enough to know

[untold niche]

this one was super helpful, i think should be included in atheneum, thanks boss!

im going to save this one in my personal notes too

[solid dune]

Thank you. Mind if I screenshot it?

[near wyvern]

I would need to level a new psyker to include it in Atheneum since I only include verified things there, I levelled my Psyker during beta / initial release

[near wyvern]

Take it away

[solid dune]

What’s Atheneum

[hot zephyr]

Until you power it up with +warp-damage talents

[long wharf]

yeah, learning to throw shards and weapon swap for weapon blessing activation is pro move

[tawny pebble]

ay, fellow brave user

[near wyvern]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

Aye

[long wharf]

but at that point, you're also better off not relying on assail for everything

better to reserve assail for when hordes are at the distance sweet spot

and use your other gear outside of that and pinning down groups of gunners

[untold niche]

why i said that is because at least the build i play, voidstrike, was super level + weapon dependent and felt terrible to use without at least being level 30

So imo no point to torture yourself like i did

i basically used voidstrike right when i could to get used to edging and doing slide + quell & slide + charge

[hot zephyr]

Yeah I really like it as trash cleanup, and when you have a few EP procs the free RMBs can delete some elites and specials if you have warp rider, malific momentum, and perfect timing stacked up

[long wharf]

yep

that's how I run assail

[untold niche]

what ability do you run?

[static needle]

Why is toughness regen speed even necessary for psyker? this class is very good at getting it by themselves

[long wharf]

getting a feeling for the distances at which assail is most effective is key for optimal shard throwing

[long wharf]

it's not any more

I recommend stamina regen over toughness regen on curios

[static needle]

eh no need imo

[solid dune]

Thank you guys for the great help now I must return to work from my lunch

[static needle]

i mean why would u want that? for tanking bosses?

[long wharf]

I love the QoL that comes with stamina regen

dodge slide everywhere

[static needle]

how many stam regen perks u runnin?

[long wharf]

sprinting at will, blocking at will

all the curios

+36% baybee

[static needle]

eh idk it feels overkill, especially with knife

[long wharf]

and I run +ordo dockets on all my psyker curios

[near wyvern]

Cause having it topped up is essential for keeping your HP bar up. If you are at 100% toughness you take no chip damage. The faster you get there the better.

[static needle]

psyker's already got very good push rate even at 0 stamina

[static needle]

.

@near wyvern

[long wharf]

psyker has so many ways to easily gain toughness, that toughness regen on curios is no longer best in slot

[near wyvern]

I disagree

[long wharf]

I removed toughness regen from all of my curios

and I haven't missed it

it was nerfed with patch 13

[static needle]

if youre not running quietude then its absolutely understandable

if you are running quietude, its pointless

[hot zephyr]

I have both an SG and Bubble Shield build, but lately with the fire changes I have switched over to SG more and then add some extra flat toughness and endurance so I'm not super glass-jawed.
I linked it earlier but here's a repost of my current build I run

[static needle]

what curious u got for this?

[long wharf]

it ultimately comes down to how well you play

if you find you need that passive toughness regen, then fine

but the better you play, the less you rely on toughness regen

toughness DR is vastly more important

[hot zephyr]

Health/Wound/Stam for curio base stats, then I run +health +toughness and +gunner-resist.

[long wharf]

that's what gets you through the mistakes that lead to getting hit

toughness regen doesn't

[static needle]

why the stamina tho? where is the use case for that? you already have easy blocking with kinetic deflection

[long wharf]

toughness regen in the middle of a fight isn't keeping you alive

[static needle]

and easy pushing without it

[long wharf]

you don't have to run KD

being able to dodge slide without worry is fantastic

[hot zephyr]

It just feels nice to be able to sprint and push freely, especially since I run combat knife and the push is super good

[static needle]

does the regen start earlier or why u building it up so much? I dont get it xD

[hot zephyr]

Push -> H1 -> reset is safe horde clear for the mark 6

[long wharf]

and for the times when you just have to hold block while you reposition, especially without KD

[static needle]

you really dont need stamina except for blocking

[tawny pebble]

iirc stamina regen increase doesn't affect the delay for when regen starts

[long wharf]

toughness regen affects the delay for passive regen

[untold niche]

quick question does assail ever crit ?

[static needle]

im talking about stamina regen perk

[long wharf]

assail crits constantly

[untold niche]

also this is gunker right

[hot zephyr]

So much so I more get surprised when I DONT crit.

[long wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-cruise-need-for-speed-gif-8762837

[untold niche]

or this melee psyker

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, Mark 6 Combat Knife + Columnus

Can run it with any finesse weapon tho

[untold niche]

yeah figured, idk i don't like using columnus
and using revolvo for gunker build kind of weird

[hot zephyr]

DS4, Illisi, etc

[hearty dagger]

So, Dome Shield does have a pretty interesting use.

You can duel monstrosities with it.

Extra toughness regen so you can get your 1 melee tank faster, and ranged enemies can't harass you.

[long wharf]

I don't like knife usage, way too much clicking

[hot zephyr]

I like all the clicking. More clicking please.

[long wharf]

the ds4 lets me move fast, dodge far, stab hard, and is much easier on the wrist

which I save for when I power-slide into an elevator and whip out the stim to spam in the corner

priorities

[stone canyon]

Nice starting point, Dumdum is good even at lvl 1

[hot zephyr]

Yup, even at lvl 4 dumdum only get's a tiny bit better. You just need it so you can stack it.

[hot zephyr]

I rock DumDum2 on my columnus because I haven't even seen DD3 or 4

[stone canyon]

I have this already though

[long wharf]

we really need to be able to upgrade a blessing to higher tier versions without locking the slot

[haughty star]

crabwalks into corner whilst spamming RMB crouched

[long wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/echidna-tea-time-sipping-tea-gif-18193431

[hot zephyr]

If the other one rolls up a better perk, just eat this one for deathspitter

[haughty star]

I got deathspittwr and dum dum on my Columbus

Stability is 42 tho

[haughty star]

Weird question for you. If you were to make a 5th char which would be the best to make

Ogryn don't make much sense cuz none of the gear is usable elsewhere

[hot zephyr]

She's going to very bouncy lol. Kicks like a horse

[haughty star]

Yeah I threw a 80 one through meat grinder and to be fair it wasn't much better

[hot zephyr]

The ideal roll for a Columnus imo is all stats over 70, with Stopping Power and Stability as close to 80 as possible.

[haughty star]

My gunger is mainly meleeger lol I just use the Columbus for yeeting out of bad spots lol

[near wyvern]

Try it on beast of nurgle. It cannot vomit which means if cannot eat.

[haughty star]

For that purpose spray and pray it do fine

[haughty star]

Wait what

Do you put it on the beast or something?

[long wharf]

are you suggesting that BonBon can't vomit inside a booble?

[near wyvern]

Whatever rocks your boat, Melk will fuck you over anyway

[near wyvern]

Yes

[long wharf]

shields block the projectile of the vomit, but don't stop BonBon from vomiting

[haughty star]

Or should I just leave the spot open in case they make another char?

[long wharf]

maybe BonBon's AI makes it not vomit while inside the shield?

[hot zephyr]

Yeah the bubble is made of pepto-bismol, that's why it's pink.

[near wyvern]

The vomit is a projectile and the bubble destroys all projectiles

It will go through the animation but nothing comes out

[long wharf]

this requires thorough testing

I could have sworn I've seen flamers spew flame within a booble

[near wyvern]

And it can only Swallow you if you have the debuff on, which you only get from the vomit

[long wharf]

right right, that part's well known

[near wyvern]

No vomit no debuff no swallow

[near wyvern]

They go a tiny bit through the walls due to hit box if they flame outside in, same with vomit. If they start it inside nothing comes out of the gun.

[untold niche]

is there a wiki page to show what the stims do?

[hot zephyr]

Bomber grenades also bounce off bubble too correct?

[untold niche]

ye

[near wyvern]

Not really bounce more like stopped by

[long wharf]

yeah, they don't drop down, they disappear

destroyed

same with trapper nets

any projectile hitting the booble/shield gets destroyed

[strange vault]

If I extract a blessing on psyker for a general weapon can other classes use it too?

[long wharf]

blessings are account-wide

[haughty star]

I know the perk regen one makes VOC Vet goated

[near wyvern]

No sheilds (dome outer wall) stop all projectiles, dome in addition seems to destroy all enemy projectiles within it. So a nade stops momentum on the dome wall, drops in it and is deleted.

[strange vault]

Sweet ty :)

[untold niche]

https://youtu.be/wvBG9GLK7Ys?t=894
i saw it bounce in your video xD
time stampped

14:09

sorry 14:54

[strange vault]

How good is this purg staff?

[long wharf]

no, you saw it go right by the booble

there was no change in the grenade trail

[untold niche]

ahhh

i didn't know dome destroy projectiles

sounds like good anti flamer anti bomber

but i swear i saw the

[long wharf]

look again

[untold niche]

flamer flame

[long wharf]

and pay attention to the red trail effect

[untold niche]

inside the dome before

no im not talking about the video anymore

[long wharf]

as have I

like the flame pooling effect crawls on its own or something

[fluid cove]

shame about that stopping power roll, literally garbage

[untold niche]

wait i thought you WANT low stopping power

so they don't stumble and you can just headshot them to kill

[long wharf]

doesn't stopping power affect damage?

[near wyvern]

Yeah I saw the flamer, my guess is the projectile does that right before it moves out so it has a funny fart cloud

[fluid cove]

Eh? stopping power affects armor damage iirc

[near wyvern]

If you touch the flames I bet you take the flame damage

[untold niche]

ohhh didn't know, my bad

i thoguht it was the same with ogryn

[fluid cove]

its okay, this is still extremely good, just not godly

[untold niche]

time for reroll

[near wyvern]

Mate

[untold niche]

i would reroll if i had 62 for a major stat ngl

[near wyvern]

Those natural blessings

🔥

[worthy kettle]

Hey hey*

[near wyvern]

It has the perk and the blessings you want at T4

So all you have to change is the stamina roll which can be your flex perk

No need to swap blessings

Oh wait

That's not dumdum

[fluid cove]

it was my first buy from brunt too, i came ready with half a mill but brunt was just like, nah here yah go

[long wharf]

I thought you wanted Dum Dum

[near wyvern]

Oh bug it's easily fixable

[long wharf]

yeah, definitely still a candidate for god-rolled

[near wyvern]

Stamina into whatever you want (unyielding or maniac) deathspitter into dumdum

If you put unyielding on it it's a boss melter with Scrier's Gaze finesse upgrade

5k+ dps

[fluid cove]

thats the plan

[near wyvern]

As long as you can aim

[near wyvern]

Happens, I got my new Mk 6 knife first try at brunt & hadron with a decent roll

But too rarely

[rare arrow]

Pretty good rolls?

[hot zephyr]

You want stopping power because it helps melt bosses if you take +unyielding, and since the other perk you want is+flak it helps against those targets too

[near wyvern]

Natural Uncanny strike 4, something like 378 base stats, very workable

[rare arrow]

Very nice. Im still rocking knife 3 as I haven’t found a 6 to play with

[fluid cove]

A sizeable difference too

[near wyvern]

For Psykers knife 6 is basically a direct upgrade to knife 3, the move set just takes some adjustment

[near wyvern]

It's fine

[rare arrow]

The push attack is so good.

[near wyvern]

Remember that scale shows max at 100% which is not yet reachable

[near wyvern]

On Mk 6 hell yeah

Can find mutant heads from the back

[rare arrow]

Why is it so good

[long wharf]

the damage ranges are still substantial, thouguh

[near wyvern]

It's a stab

[rare arrow]

Thing just has auto sim

[strange vault]

[rare arrow]

I mean, like, why did they make it so nuts lol

Has auto aim.

It’s got the hidden 3rd blessing “weakspot seeking weapon”

[near wyvern]

Stabs tend to find weakspot easier. I wonder if they have larger head hit box than other type of attacks.

Might be similar to revolver versus other guns

Different hit boxes

[rare arrow]

Maybe

I feel like on DS4 I hit weak spots when I’m feel like I missed

Like one shots a mutie so I know it was a weakspot

But didn’t feel like i hit the weak spot

[near wyvern]

Two shot crushers in a tin can line UwU

DS4 is art when stacked up with uncanny

Deimos mutant one shots are still the best laughs tho. There is only one thing that gets more laughter out of me, and that weapon is very solid. 🪨

Dem ragdolls

[long wharf]

I think different moves/weapons have prioritization on whether or not to prefer/search for weakspot hitboxes on enemies

some weapons are super finnicky on hitting weakspots

some are super easy to hit weakspots with

regardless of angle of attack

it may also be an issue of "physical" size of the weapon model and location of its collision detection volumes

seems super easy to poke weakspots with the ds

but it's also a long blade that pokes directly forwards

so depending on where in the attack animation collision is being checked, it very well could be extending through the enemy and hitting the weakspot on the other side

[untold niche]

i seen this said alot, did anyone did a code dive to prove it?
seems so weird even if it is true

[long wharf]

this isn't something a code dive would tell us

because it's an engine function

[untold niche]

if different moves or weapons have different priority, why is it an engine function and not params?

[long wharf]

that's a good point

we should see something in the data for the weapon definitions

but I'm not going to go digging right now

[untold niche]

please do in the near future :p

[long wharf]

I have better things to do than suffer mild headaches digging through Darktide's Lua

[untold niche]

but but

community

[zinc phoenix]

Lewda

[haughty star]

Lol sometimes I miss and get skulls with the zarona

Not complaining tho

[long wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/aneurysm-hhhhomeboyyyy-kings-dark-tidings-saga-by-kel-kade-reaperleviathan-head-explode-gif-21578105

[zinc phoenix]

Revolver got that head seeking ammo

[near wyvern]

I use a mod so I don't see skulls over highlighted enemies

[mental rock]

I remember that Rashad had a weird hitzone priority on release so I wouldn't be surprised about other weapons

[near wyvern]

Outline is enough for me

[near wyvern]

Rashad before fix

[untold niche]

of course, thats assuming its priority and not just because of hitboxes

[haughty star]

I was saying headshots

[near wyvern]

It can be just attack type uses different hitbox, that would not be visible from lua

[untold niche]

yep thats why i sent that second message

in vt2 was there priority? im assuming the community figured it out for VT2

[near wyvern]

Yeah that was my response that the attack type may be the parametrisation

[long wharf]

what the hell are dueling swords called in the lua?

god I hate digging through so much lua

fucking typeless bullshit scripting language

[near wyvern]

Try biomancer_bespoke_spicy_toothpick

[long wharf]

hah, I wish

[radiant frigate]

what about fancy_git_offica_choppa

[long wharf]

it ought to be under scripts/settings/equipment

well, this is just frustrating and not a constructive use of my time

[haughty star]

Are mods tos?

[steep estuary]

Good damnation mission ruined by error 2014

[long wharf]

mods are fine to use

FartShack has said so, as long as mods don't enable access to unpaid-for content and affect other players' experiences

[zinc phoenix]

Gotta update your error lib to 2024

[mighty olive]

Had to offer up my first born child to gain access to this server lol anyone else have that weird security thing to go through ?

[zinc phoenix]

Friggen package managers these days smh my head 🤦‍♀️

[long wharf]

servitors gotta come from somewhere

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mighty olive]

XD

[long wharf]

and I haven't gone through any "security thing" for this server

if you don't yet, you really should have 2FA setup for Discord

[haughty star]

Same bro it happened twice yesterday

Both really good auric famnation missions

Just succeeded and me first maelstrom yesterday, my buddy dealt 850000 damage with 400k overkill

I was on smite psy and did 500k

[static needle]

Is it heretical to dip mettle for while using voidstrike? I think perfect timing, soulstealer, perilous combustion and battle meditation are the most necessary perks. So as to partly offset not using mettle, i can run warp expenditure and get both perfect timing and battle meditation. I think battle meditation is very good just for the simple reason that it functions as a venting shriek for voidstrike: it lets me keep shooting for longer

[fiery stratus]

What blessings should I run for blade force sword 2? I have uncanny strike 4 and the one that adds up to 20% depending on peril

[static needle]

obscurus?

[fiery stratus]

Yeah

Unstable power and uncanny strike are my only tier 4 blessings at the moment

[static needle]

dont use it, its the worst of both worlds, not the best

i would reccomend illisi

as for blessings slaughterer is always S tier

[fiery stratus]

I dont care that much about damage, I like the moveset a lot more than the other two

[static needle]

uncanny is nice too

[fiery stratus]

I dont play auric or anything so im not worried about meta if you get me]

I do have blazing spirit 3 on the one that has uncanny, better to leave it and build around purg you think?

[static needle]

yo, @hot zephyr, thoughts on this? 🙂

[hot zephyr]

Mettle isn't needed as Soulstealer + Warp Expenditure should sustain your toughness without issue on a voidstrike, but be aware your toughness regeneration is limited to the base 5% per melee kill otherwise, so you could become very squishy when switching to melee if you aren't using a force-sword.

[hot zephyr]

Way ahead of ya bud 😛

[static needle]

:)))))

[static needle]

wym if im not using a force sword?

isnt a force sword what this build wants to keep up a healthy toughness level in horde clear?

[hot zephyr]

Like, if you were using a dueling sword for example, you'd only have the base 5% toughness regen from melee kills, because you wouldn't be generating peril or killing with warp attacks

[fiery stratus]

Alright I'll just cut to the chase, what would you keep or change about this?

slap flak/cara?

[static needle]

change sprint efficiency to maniac, change blazing spirit to slaughterer

i think

[fiery stratus]

think i do have slaughter 3 but i may try to grind for 4 since its near maxed

[static needle]

ye I know, its just that u said it the other way around

[untold niche]

when im in the thick of the horde i very rarely get the time to illisi charge and that makes me very sad

[hot zephyr]

I feel like melee crit damage is awful (because it's benefit is actually about half the % it shows, the perk lies a bit) so I'd definitely replace that with Flak I think. I think your choice of slaughterer or deflector to replace blazing is the right call, so unfortunately I think you get stuck keeping Sprint Eff.

[fiery stratus]

thats alright, its a slight downside but tbh I've had maxed weapons that gave me two tier 3 blessings and garbage perks 😭

[hot zephyr]

It's not all bad, there's way worse things to have than some sprint eff

Kind helps the fact your movespeed with a Obscurus is quite slow

[fiery stratus]

Yeah, loses some damage but i normally just play regular damnation so its nothing crazy 🤷‍♂️

[steep estuary]

Exorcist any good on a deimos?

[hot zephyr]

Atheneum says Exorcist on Deimos is garbage tier, so do what you will with that knowledge

[steep estuary]

Makes sense ig. I figure peril increases damage, and swinging doesnt generate peril so why quell on hits?

[radiant frigate]

at this point i am no longer sure that +3 stamina curios even exist

[steep estuary]

Oh shoot, the deimos i got from the emperors blessing has Unstable Power 4

+3 stams exist, and are kinda bugged

[radiant frigate]

is unstable power any good

is it another lying blessing like thrust

[steep estuary]

Up to X% power scaling with peril

[hot zephyr]

Just make sure when you get one it's item level 76 or higher. I had a 75 one and didn't realize it was only +2 stam.

[steep estuary]

4 is up to +20% power, scaling with peril

[radiant frigate]

i just spent like 10k melkbucks on random curios

not a single +3 stam

[hot zephyr]

I ran around for the last 6 weeks with a +2 stam curio instead of a +3 stam cus of that bug

[radiant frigate]

so is the bug that it shows +2 stam

but is +3?

[hot zephyr]

No, other way. An item lvl 75 +3 stamina curio will show as +3 in the UI, but only actually give you +2

[steep estuary]

It says +3, but those ones with a base rating of 75 dont work or something

Yeah that

[hot zephyr]

I actually have perfect proof of that because I have both a 75 and 76 +3 stam curio

So i can 100% confirm that bug exists for those values

[tawny jetty]

So 76 is the cutoff?

[hot zephyr]

Yeah 76+ you get +3 stam as on the can, the 75 ones only give +2

[radiant frigate]

ah, good heavens

found one with +3 stam but it is 75

so, a scam

[hot zephyr]

Well, +2 stam is still ok if it's got one good perk.

it does make a difference but if you're just burning melk bucks trying to get one you can just use a +2 til you see one in the regular brunt shop

Like, I have a +2 stam blue that came from brunt with 20% gunner resist on it as first perk

[radiant frigate]

it's showing up as actually being 3 stam in the psykhanium

so, scam or not?

[hot zephyr]

My 75 one with combat knife out shows as 4 bars of stam in psykanium, and my 76 shows as 5 bars of stam

So I was able to see the difference in Psykanium

You need to know your base weapon stamina amount to be sure

[radiant frigate]

well, without it, it shows me 3

with it, 6

[hot zephyr]

I'd say you're gtg then

[radiant frigate]

time to pray for one good stat to roll

4% toughness, i'll take it

[strange vault]

I finally beat the karnak twins on damnation for the first time and

[hot zephyr]

Did you login and check if you got your penance?

[strange vault]

Checking now

PHEW

We good :)

[radiant frigate]

+3 stam curio, +2 stam + 20% block efficiency on the weapon, can i now block everything forever?

[hot zephyr]

Assuming you have Kinetic Deflection in your talent tree, basically.

The curio + KD is all that's really required. The rest is just overkill lol

[stable sundial]

Siblings, does Disrupt Destiny even work? Went through 5 missions without it ever proccing.

[radiant frigate]

technically yes

you will rarely see it stacking because it is funky

[hot zephyr]

Absolutely works. Did you kill blue man?

[radiant frigate]

if other people kill blue man you get nothing unfortunately

[strange vault]

Big shout out to everyone here in the channel who helped out with all my questions lol

Ended up doing it with an empowered psionics assail build with bubble, then purg staff and a dueling sword

[tawny jetty]

I feel like a lot of the time I should have DD stacks, I look down and I do not have any stacks.

[dawn spoke]

omg that's the sexiest voidstrike staff I've ever seen

[stable sundial]

Never even saw blue man, and the “weakspot kill” node doesnt do anything either

[hot zephyr]

You need to weakspot kill blue man to get 3 stacks.

[dawn spoke]

if you never saw anything turn blue then you must have not selected the talent somehow

I've noticed that sometimes when switching off the talent screen it just wipes my talents instead of saving them, could that have happened?

[hot zephyr]

DD really only works if you play the insane minigame of murder blue man within 15 seconds at all costs

30 if you take Lingering (which you should)

[radiant sleet]

Anyone know where to get this skin?

[stable sundial]

Riiiight, definitely just stickin with Warp charger lol

[hot zephyr]

Warp Siphon is definitely much easier to stack and maintain lol

My only DD build is my Voidstrike one, and only because I use a Transfer Peril + Warp Flurry voidstrike so I can just keep shooting wildly at blue man and anyone who happens to die in the crossfire is just a bonus

[cobalt bone]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blind-flashbang-light-mode-gif-21281004

[stable sundial]

DD Seems like a really weird choice in a purely coop game

[half iron]

blue man looked at me funny. he give me speed when i throw shard

[radiant sleet]

Light mode for life, praise the sun

[cobalt bone]

Dark mode is the innovation of life

[haughty star]

Could work okay for like a marksman rifle gungar or maybe revolver since it taps literally everything

[radiant sleet]

Is there like, a website or catalogue for weapon skins that go on rotation? Or does fatshark just not want my money? Because I'm tired of asking where to find these cool skins I'm finding

[brisk grove]

what a waste, i don't think this is salvageable

[hot zephyr]

IMO, It's suppose to represent the divination part of being a psyker. You can see the future in which blue man is going to kill you and your strike team, so you are going to "disrupt destiny" and end blue man's life before he ends yours.

[hot zephyr]

Perks are fine, just fix the blessings.

[haughty star]

Could be hilarious for a left click meme build

[brisk grove]

thing is, i really want warp flurry and transfer peril, but i also want +25 flak

[stable sundial]

Yeah that makes sense lore wise. Just feels way too strict/awkward compared to the other keystones

[hot zephyr]

You don't need flak tbh. With + warp damage talents you most likely already one-shot most flak targets.

I'd rather have Unyielding and Maniac or Unyielding and Crit

[brisk grove]

not bruisers/maniacs though

i do have the benefit of stun-locking them though

[wind spruce]

One important thing to remember about DD is that you don't have to kill blue man to maintain stacks. Damaging him at all will refresh duration. Even just starting a brain burst will refresh it.

[hot zephyr]

Yeah but when it targets a trash dreg or something that dies to a stiff breeze, you want to take advantage and get your stack count up

[wind spruce]

I'm just bringing the mechanic to peoples awareness. It's not a yeah but moment.

[brisk grove]

how much damage does one stack of soulblaze do?

[wind spruce]

Sweet fuck all.

[brisk grove]

i'm thinking of removing all the soulblaze talents from my void build

[dawn spoke]

if you look at the pinned chart it looks like it does somewhere between about 0 and 1 dps

lol yea

[brisk grove]

goodbye perilous combustion, wildfire, and creeping flames

[dawn spoke]

perilous combustion is good on just about any build but wildfire is not, because on higher difficulties elites tend to come in groups and perilous combustion doesn't have a stack limit

[hot zephyr]

Perilous Combustion is worth keeping because it can stack with itself

[brisk grove]

ohh

[dawn spoke]

it's mostly wildfire that sucks

[hot zephyr]

If you play Auric difficulty, it's amazing

Cus there's so many specials PC just procs like freaking crazy

[brisk grove]

i use wildfire on my purg build since at any given time i have like 40 enemies on fire

[dawn spoke]

wildfire on purg is ok

[wind spruce]

If you still have venting shriek keep creeping flames.

If you don't have soulblaze sources from your weapons don't use wildfire.

If you don't have any other source of soul blaze don't use perilous combustion.

Those are my rules of thumb.

[hot zephyr]

Creeping Flames is good as well, because it always gives +6 stacks, and you are going to be using it to dump peril basically every time it's off cooldown, and 6 stacks is enough to kill trash mobs iirc.

Wildfire is garbage, remove that immediately.

[dawn spoke]

6 stacks will kill shooters

[brisk grove]

wouldn't warp rupture deal significantly more damage than creeping flames?

[wind spruce]

Warp rupture is terrible

[dawn spoke]

no, creeping flames is always more damage than warp rupture

[wind spruce]

No one should ever, EVER choose it

[brisk grove]

i see

[hot zephyr]

Warp Rupture is hiliariously bad. Probably the worst talent in the entire tree

[wind spruce]

It can't even kill a poxwalker

[tulip kettle]

JUST CATCHING UP

[hot zephyr]

Like, even Unlucky For Some is probably better use of a talent point than Warp Rupture

[wind spruce]

Warp rupture, kinetic flayer, the talent that gives you toughness when someone dies. All no goes in every build.

[tulip kettle]

and saw talk of 75 power stam curios showing the correct +3 power in psykanium

[proven raven]

I don't think it's even out yet. Probably Commodore's for $$$

[brisk grove]

well i switched from bb to smite, since i don't use bb very often when i could use the staff

[tulip kettle]

which is correct, they do that, but they only give +2 in actual game.

[wind spruce]

You don't need BB with voidstrike as it fills your long range requirements

[brisk grove]

exactly

though i do use BB on bosses when i have it available

[hot zephyr]

I was able to disprove that today. I bought a new +3 stam curio so I had a 75 and a 76, and the 75 only showed 2 extra stam bars in Psykanium, while the 76 showed the correct 3.

[wind spruce]

Yeah I jumped in a game to test it after someone pointed out the psykahnium disparity, such a weird bug

[tulip kettle]

so yours is even buggier than everyone elses

[hot zephyr]

yeah, something like that lol

[tulip kettle]

mine shows +3 stam in psyk but only 2 in game

[wind spruce]

My 75 definitely shows three in psykhanium

It could be a rounding issue?

Like the rating is 75.??

[dawn spoke]

yeah I would bet it is something like that

[dawn spoke]

best thing to do with bosses is hit the weak spot with voidstrike, it doesn't do tons of damage but you can stunlock them so your allies can have an easier time burning the boss down

[tulip kettle]

disagree

same as people saying you dont need BB with void

while this is true you dont need it

you dont need ANYTHING with void, the void does it all

and smite is hot poopoo

yes there is a "meta" but it is completely viable to run BB with void

and if it wasnt, you would never see people running surge and smite, yet you see it all the time

finally, kinetic flayer, while it is trash, does have some functionality that i think people miss

[mighty fractal]

I thought the problem with Wildfire on a Purg build was that it split the stacks that the targets around the dying target received

[tulip kettle]

KF can only proc on attacks that otherwise would not have killed the opponent you hit

[mighty fractal]

So it's really only useful for Soulblaze uptime for the purposes of In Fire Reborn

[hot zephyr]

Wow, so I just tested again right now and you are right. I get +3 stam in Psykanium with both, but 4 vs 5 in-game. How did I replicate this eariler?

[wind spruce]

Split stacks is better than no stacks.

[tulip kettle]

wildfire is bad because it spreads 1 stack of fire to surrounding enemies

[dawn spoke]

it's still ok on a purg build because it lets you get to higher stacks (=higher damage) faster

[tulip kettle]

which dissapates almost immediately

[dawn spoke]

but if you were looking for a way to free up a talent point on a purg build wildfire would probably be where you do it

[tulip kettle]

^ its kind of okay with purg build but thats it

[zinc phoenix]

When it spreads it refreshes cooldowns on anything with current stacks

[young ridge]

Yeah wildfire is pretty ass

[next mist]

cool gamer tip for dueling swords: height matters a lot

made a new psyker cause richtofen is used way too much now grrrrrrrrr but made them uber short, and i was like

wow this feels bad

and realized you can't stab rager heads through a horde without being 50%< height

[wind spruce]

I'd say it's OK on blaze trauma too, but outside those two it's not worth it

[zinc phoenix]

It’s actually pretty good but 🤷‍♀️

[tulip kettle]

yeah but so does every other method of application

i prefer the controversy surrounding KF

iof they made it 5 sec CD it would be must take for every build

but because its 15 everyone thinks its trash

[hot zephyr]

Every 15s when missions last 30 minutes? Seems good to me.

That's 120 free brain bursts, aka 120k free damage

[mighty fractal]

For what it's worth, Flayer prioritizes elites as well

so the procs usually aren't 'wasted'

[tulip kettle]

exactly this

[mighty fractal]

I don't know if it prioritizes targets with lower health, though

[tulip kettle]

all it does is makes sure when you really need that dog/mutie to die, it does

[mighty fractal]

Flayer would have slightly more of a case to make if it does

[zinc phoenix]

Wowee look at me I’m BBing the pox bursters 120 times

[tulip kettle]

it doesnt work like that

[hot zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-mr-poopy-butt-hole-ooooh-weeee-gif-9826117

[mighty fractal]

Otherwise, its other main problem is that it's not always applying damage to targets that need it

[tulip kettle]

this is the problem with it i agree

but i dont know how to change it

beyond guaranteeing it procs if off cd and a validf strike

in which case its immediately broken

[mighty fractal]

Maybe make it prioritize low-health targets damaged within a single damage instance

[zinc phoenix]

It’s funny we say same thing different way and same person agrees with one and disagrees with other 😂

[wind spruce]

Yeah, I think that's obvious to most people. Like if you trauma or reg brain burst something and overkill it, you won't waste a flayer proc.

The issue is the cooldown and the fact that it can hit non elites/specials/bosses, ie, low value targets. It's totally wasted when that happens and that will happen MOST of the time.

Like what are the situations when the damage actually comes in handy? Crushers, bulwarks, reapers and bosses. That's it. Even then it's a measly 150-200 DPS on the boss. And you'll probably get it to hit an ogryn a couple of times a mission at most.

[hot zephyr]

This game isn't about dealing exact spreadsheet perfect dps rotations. It's chaotic and messy. Free damage is free damage. Even if it's not ideally distrubuted more damage potential means more stuff dies faster.

[mighty fractal]

So if you're purging a hordes and a cloud hits three Crushers, the one with the lowest health gets the Brain Burst

[tulip kettle]

i think you all run melee weapons that dont 1 hit trash and it shows

[zinc phoenix]

I just do t5 auric maels and have fun 🤷‍♀️

[dawn spoke]

ds4 is pretty popular yes

[wind spruce]

Bro cleave means u aren't oneshotting stuff

You don't understand cleave and it shows

[tulip kettle]

lol

[dawn spoke]

illisi with brutal momentum will oneshot as many poxwalkers as you can hit won't it?

[tulip kettle]

i understand cleave very well, do you understand warp rider and charged illisi?

[zinc phoenix]

Cleave means never having to say you’re sorry

[tulip kettle]

and tbh i hardly use my melee when im running void staff because it kills anything anyway

but when you hit that dog / mutie and KF procs to one shot it when you otherwise wouldnt have

seems value

[wind spruce]

Why are we even talking about melee, I was thinking about ranged options when I made my comment

[tulip kettle]

im tryna imagine a build where you take KF for like, ranged purposes

[zinc phoenix]

It’s not worth it for any purpose

[mighty fractal]

True, but making sure stuff that's almost dead is guaranteed to die is better than the BB hitting a high-health target outside of your control

[zinc phoenix]

The vast majority of the time it will be absurd overkill

[tulip kettle]

i just described its use case

[mighty fractal]

Two Crushers about to overhead you is better than three Crushers about to overhead you

[zinc phoenix]

Usually on stuff that absolutely does not need it

[mighty fractal]

which is what my suggested change is attempting to fix

[zinc phoenix]

Trauma enjoyers like “time for a juggle”

[hot zephyr]

I have an extra point laying around in my Purgatus build, I'm going to just throw KR in with it and see if I notice it

Report back in a few days once I run a few times with it

[mighty fractal]

Until one of the Crushers is Nurgle Blessed

[wind spruce]

This is going to happen once a game if you're lucky

[dawn spoke]

KR or KF?

[wind spruce]

And you should be killing 50+ specials

[zinc phoenix]

Reeeee 🟩

[tulip kettle]

lol

[hot zephyr]

Sorry, meant KF

[mighty fractal]

That happened to me yesterday lol

[tulip kettle]

why would it happen once per game

i think you and me are playing different games

[wind spruce]

Because of the cooldown and proc %

[tulip kettle]

lol

[mighty fractal]

The three regular Crushers fell on their face to reveal a very angry green crusher marching straight at me

[tulip kettle]

what are you proccing it on, honestly?

[mighty fractal]

and the asshole ignored my knockdown and bonked me

[wind spruce]

50 specials. 10% chance. That's 5 of the specials it will go off on IF ITS OFF COOLDOWN

[tulip kettle]

you not one shotting nearly everything>?

[wind spruce]

So maybe 1 if you're lucky

[dawn spoke]

honestly if it just didn't proc on groaners and poxwalkers it'd be decent

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah you just have to run and boop again because 🟩 isn’t stopping

[tulip kettle]

luma

[wind spruce]

Nobody almost oneshots on every damage source, bud

[tulip kettle]

what

if you running void and illisi

[mighty fractal]

Gotta be extra careful in Nurgle Blessing around Trappers, too, for that reason

[tulip kettle]

everything you dont want it to proc on dies in one hit

[wind spruce]

Void has splash damage.

Just straight bullshit.

[zinc phoenix]

Nurgle dogs are the worst

[mighty fractal]

Oh yeah def

[zinc phoenix]

Shove it and the dog is like “haha no”

[tulip kettle]

"splash damage"? what do you mean by this

[mighty fractal]

and then insta-pounce

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve gotten very good at a weird dodge slide thing to dodge the nurgle dog pounce

[mighty fractal]

Yeah thankfully the usual dodge timing works on them

[zinc phoenix]

But it’s way more high stakes because no block option

[mighty fractal]

Trappers like to turn and fire their net last-second, though, which is where staggering them would normally be preferable

[zinc phoenix]

Thru a wall, while upside down

[mighty fractal]

Not being able to stagger/knock down nurgled Ragers with your DS4 or Force Sword push is also a killer

[wind spruce]

Void does a small amount of damage in a radius around the main impact of the projectile

[zinc phoenix]

IIRC the Deimos special still gives them the jiggle stagger

[mighty fractal]

it does, yeah

[zinc phoenix]

Hence my refusal to use illsi with trauma 😂

[mighty fractal]

Just can't knock them on their backs with a single shove

Yeah I use Deimos with trauma and purg for that reason lol

[zinc phoenix]

Also I feel like a total r* running ds4 because I’ll get shot, block, get shot again

thatll larn u

[wind spruce]

Deflector builds bad habits

[zinc phoenix]

That’s ok because I don’t care

I do just fine in t5 mael with my vet

Surviving the habits 😱

[mighty fractal]

I've already built up good dodge and push habits to not need Deflector most of the time

But it's handy for catching a few stray bullets while kiting

or for the block efficiency with Kinetic Deflection for clutch rezzes

[tulip kettle]

sorry i was doing a britshism, when i say "what do you mean by this" i wasnt saying "i dont know what you mean", i was calling them a moron for saying it. yes it does blast damage on the projectile terminating

[zinc phoenix]

Blessed block of the Deimos

[tulip kettle]

if the projectile is temrinating then it hit a solid object or an enemy it didnt weak spot one shot

[wind spruce]

Sweetie, that's when you'll get splash damage on surrounding enemies

And you'll proc your precious flayer

[tulip kettle]

in which case you want it to proc KF

[wind spruce]

On something else most likely

[zinc phoenix]

Or when you’re down to 2 people and need to go thru a tunnel with a buttload of gunners on the other side deflector is just so nice

[tulip kettle]

thats when you want it to proc

[wind spruce]

It can also proc on a trash mob

[tulip kettle]

look i never said it was some broken OP shit. i said if it was 5 seconds and always procced on CD it would be must take

[wind spruce]

That is near the bulwark etc

[dawn spoke]

are you arguing that it's good now or that the version you made up is good

[tulip kettle]

neither

i said it has use cases

[wind spruce]

I agree, unfortunately, in its current state it is a complete waste of a point

[tulip kettle]

and people pretend that it doesnt

[dawn spoke]

it really sounds like you're arguing the former of what I said

[tulip kettle]

if you are otherwise 1 shotting the trash anyway

and it allows you to 1 shot specials and elites you otherwise couldnt

it has a use case

[zinc phoenix]

The use case is being a noob trap

[wind spruce]

Everything has a use case that doesn't mean it's worth it

Youre just wrong

[zinc phoenix]

KF used to be a reliable generator of warp charges

That was why it was good

Now it is just ass

[dawn spoke]

there are a lot of really nice psyker talents that don't need buffs to be good to have which I think is why you're finding kinetic flayer apologetics to be so difficult

[tulip kettle]

lol you guys are insufferable for real

[zinc phoenix]

😱

[wind spruce]

You are the insufferable one man

You won't listen to our reasoning at all

[tulip kettle]

oh GNOE i introduced a 3% inefficiency in my talent tree

useless!

i did listen to your reasoning

i refuted it and gave my own

your response was

but no

[wind spruce]

Jesus christ

[tulip kettle]

]it isnt good

it needs buffs

it has use cases

[wind spruce]

That was YOU when I made the splash damage argument

[tulip kettle]

these are all true

[zinc phoenix]

“It’s bad and I use it anyway because I don’t care” is perfectly valid thing to say. Trying to convince people that the objectively bad thing is good is dumb

[wind spruce]

You made some weird Brit comment

[dawn spoke]

"ackshully I was calling you a dumbshit btw you're so insufferable"

[tulip kettle]

yeah some nonsense splash dmg argument

that didnt adress what i said at all

[wind spruce]

What's your refutation for the splash damage hitting ten poxwalkers and taking the KC charge you're for some reason expecting to hit the high value target?

[zinc phoenix]

His argument was straightforward: when void wings a thing it mildly damages the stuff around it. This will trigger KF on trash, netting you massive (and pointless) overkill

[dawn spoke]

either it does or it doesn't blow up a poxwalker caught in a voidstrike aoe, and instead of going and finding out it sounds like you just decided it wouldn't since that would be convenient for what you were trying to say

[tulip kettle]

?

no neither of those things

as we both agree

it will opnly proc when the projectile temrinates

[dawn spoke]

are you saying that in practice voidstrike projectiles never terminate near poxwalkers?

[tulip kettle]

if its terminating, it hit something you couldnt kill

[dawn spoke]

you can have a crusher standing next to poxwalkers

[tulip kettle]

and it hit that thing first, before the spash damage was calculated

yes, i agree

do you agree that the projectile will hit the crusher and then explode, hitting the pox with the aoe?

[brisk grove]

update: smite is fun

[dawn spoke]

that's the point that was being brought up yes

[zinc phoenix]

If you use it with shriek, fire and warp charges it is funner

[tulip kettle]

okay, so now make the last connection

[dawn spoke]

I don't think that aoe is going to always do full damage to the poxwalker

[tulip kettle]

if it is proccing on ther poxwalker

[zinc phoenix]

My friend here is a truth of life: fighting walls only hurts your hand

[tulip kettle]

that means...

[brisk grove]

i use it with shriek, voidstrike, and warp charges

[tulip kettle]

it didnt proc on....

[dawn spoke]

im bored at work

[wind spruce]

Fucking hell dom

Here's some video proof

KC hits the bruiser

[tulip kettle]

what are you proving sorry?

this is why it isnt a must take S tier talent, yes

[wind spruce]

Wait hang on

I fucked up my record buttons hahahaha

Two mins

[tulip kettle]

do you understand what happened in the video?

like, i saw the clip

i know what you are saying

i think youre missing something

HOW and WHY did it proc on the bruiser there?

because it already rolled to proc on the mauler, and didnt

crusher*

if the pox was there or noty

the crusher didnt die either way

[zinc phoenix]

Make sure to not just hold down the right click. The power of the right click is you can either make everything fall over with a quick burst or hold a group of crushers for a while.

You can also use the left click to stagger specials fast and especially to shove the pox burster back safely. So you can boop it away a couple times then det it with your staff

[tulip kettle]

this is why its bad and i dont disagree with that

but to say it doesnt have a use case is nonsense

[fair spruce]

madam.

[tulip kettle]

if it did proc on the crusher there, the crusher died and it was useful

[wind spruce]

kinetic flayer bad
https://outplayed.tv/media/3e6Y1J

[fair spruce]

we've gone on dates together.

I bought you dinner.

my name

[wind spruce]

No one said it doesn't have a usecase

[fair spruce]

is COUSINOkri

[tulip kettle]

yes, you did

[fair spruce]

not

[wind spruce]

You're just imagining stuff

[tulip kettle]

you specifically did

[fair spruce]

OKRI

[wind spruce]

Quote me

[tulip kettle]

lol wtf

[fair spruce]

could yall shut up I'm yelling at my girlfriend

[zinc phoenix]

Bow chicka wow wow

[brisk grove]

so you charge with right, channel with left and then let go with right to knock them down?

[fair spruce]

which weapon

[tulip kettle]

and i also explained why the video you are showing agrees with me. the talent is bad because of the random nature of its effect, not because of the CD, or the effect itself. And despite it being random, it still sometimes, randomly, does what you need it to do

is it "META"? no

[zinc phoenix]

Yep, you can quickly knock over whole groups doing that without having to burn a ton of peril

[tulip kettle]

is it straight trash? also no.

[wind spruce]

It's also bad because of the cooldown

Yes it's trash

[zinc phoenix]

Actually yes

[wind spruce]

Trash doesn't mean "no use case" in this context

[brisk grove]

hmm i'll have to give that a try

[tulip kettle]

no to you it means

[wind spruce]

It means that it's bad compared to your other options

[tulip kettle]

not the absolute storngest choice

[wind spruce]

Fucks sake

[dawn spoke]

it's competing with so many talents that are actually good

[wind spruce]

It's one of the weakest choices

+15 toughness is better

[brisk grove]

honestly i have fast enough venting i can go all the way from 0-100 peril with one continuous attack and then vent quickly and do it again

[wind spruce]

Any toughness regain talent is better

[tulip kettle]

i disagree with that completely

toughness is pointless, what?

if youre soloing hi5 aurics like you guys all seem to claim, you dont take dmg

toughness and hp are complete dead stats

[wind spruce]

No one is claiming that

[tulip kettle]

why would you be taking damage?

[wind spruce]

Just stfu dude

[zinc phoenix]

The higher the difficulty the less time you have for that kind of move so it should be saved only for essential moments (hordes of crusher, saving someone from a rager mob)

[brisk grove]

i was trying to pin down shotgunners and maulers last game but my team wouldn't go for them while i was suppressing

[tulip kettle]

you think 15 toughness is better that one shotting mutants and hounds with an illisi light attack, i disagree

we'll have to agree to disagree on that one

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah that’s the power of the stagger, you can immediately go kill them while they’re down rather than just standing there doing a papa palps impression

[wind spruce]

Ok, and your opinion is widely shat on (because it's wrong)

[dawn spoke]

if you're using illisi light attacks on mutants and hounds then the talent tree can't save you

[brisk grove]

UNLIMITED POWERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[wind spruce]

Word

[ornate hamlet]

Kinetic flayer is for when you really don't have anything else to spend points on

[tulip kettle]

lol

[wind spruce]

Which is never the case in the psyker tree

[zinc phoenix]

When you have 90 talent points to spend it is worth using one on KF

[ornate hamlet]

It's unreliable, has a long cooldown and honestly just isn't worth the hassle

[zinc phoenix]

With a mere 30, no

[dawn spoke]

water $100
food $300
electricity $200
kinetic flayer $30,000
someone help me fix my budget my family is dying

[tulip kettle]

lol we covered all of this, SURE thats why you dont take it and why its objectively not a "strong" choice

its random and unreliable

there are stronger choices

it still has a use case

and if it had a 5 sec cd it would be must take in every build

thats what i said

[dawn spoke]

if we all agree that kinetic flayer is better than warp rupture will you let it go

[tulip kettle]

weell i said this about rupture

[dawn spoke]

bruh

[tulip kettle]

the ONLY use case i can see for that

is to get the penance for knocking people off a ledge

[wind spruce]

Making me giggle lmfao

[tulip kettle]

otherwise its useless

it helps with the penance because trash will die to a small fall

otherwise completely bad and useless

[dawn spoke]

ok but like

it has a use case

[tulip kettle]

indeed!

[dawn spoke]

so you can't say it's trash

[ivory sail]

what do i roll off

[tulip kettle]

i mean it is trash

if its only use case is to maybe help you with a relatively easy penance

and nothing else

thats very bad

[zinc phoenix]

Gottem

[tulip kettle]

if the use case is, a few times a game, killing a special or an elite when you really need them to die and they otherwise wouldnt

[zinc phoenix]

The rule you established was that if a thing has a use, however stupid and pointless, then it cannot be called trash

[tulip kettle]

lol what that is not a rule nor did i establish it

[zinc phoenix]

Therefore warp rupture is not trash

[ornate hamlet]

Ok who shat my pants rn

[tulip kettle]

you dont value that use of a talent highly, thats fine, you think there are better choices, thats fine

[dawn spoke]

roll a new one if possible, otherwise switch precognition to uncanny strike for sure
I don't know whether it would be better to switch riposte for shred or switch melee crit damage to maniac/unyielding, but one of those two

[paper loom]

what should i change on this?

[wind spruce]

Keep riposte and flak. Pick up maniacs and uncanny strike

[ivory sail]

thank you! ❤️

[dawn spoke]

nice columnus
switch speedload to fire frenzy for sure

[tulip kettle]

you think the use case of killing an enemy you otherwise wouldnt have every 15 seconds is utter trash and never worth taking, i disagree. I said if it procced every 5 secs instead of 15 it would be mandatory for every build. you didnt refute that at all

im gonna go and smoke, thanks for the pleasure fellas

[paper loom]

ok il do that ty , i was thinking of changing the perk too not sure what too

[wind spruce]

Riposte is much better than shred

[hot zephyr]

I am saddened, such beautiful base stats, yet absolutely terrible perks. Thankfully Columnus really only needs +flak to really put in work so you can tweak one blessing and one perk.

[paper loom]

ok ty i guess weak spot dmg isnt too bad

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, weak spot damage isn't ideal, because it's pretty bad, but groaners/poxes is jsut utterly terrible and a waste of ammo

[paper loom]

flak it is then:]

[hot zephyr]

Speedload -> Fire Frenzy and Groaners -> Flak and it's going to rip pretty hard

[zinc phoenix]

And now we are back to “randomly doing massive overkill to pox walkers is good actually” 😂

[wind spruce]

Weakspot damage is not great but it's somewhat underrated..the columnus has huge weakspot modifiers for every damage types

[zinc phoenix]

I doubt anyone is weakspotting with the col IAG except against like bon or something

[paper loom]

this gun is a beast as is im loving it so i look forward to the improved version

[zinc phoenix]

You can just crit thru everything else or zealot F

[wind spruce]

True

[zinc phoenix]

I hope they nerf that thing I miss when people had to like aim

Now it is just spray and pray for massive domage

[hot zephyr]

It's not the worst I agree, but it's really hard to consistantly weakspot it. Even Plague Ogryns it's hard to get more than a few headshots in before they start bouncing around again

[paper loom]

someone say ripost is better than shred? should i replace shred then

[wind spruce]

Yes

[zinc phoenix]

Why not try it and see how you feel

You can always change it back, it’s cheap

[paper loom]

true

[wind spruce]

Riposte is godlike. Procs off dodging ranged fire, mutant charges and doggo leaps

Don't have to wait until your SIXTH attack in an engagement to get the effect

Lasts 6s

Can miss and not have it drop off

[paper loom]

it means pulling off this sword

im not sure whats better

[zinc phoenix]

This sword is better than the other one

At least imo, I am shit at the game math

It’s possible this is one of those cases where cleave is actually the dump stat

[paper loom]

i think it is on the mk2

[wind spruce]

Cleave and mobility are the dumpstats

[hot zephyr]

Cleave is dump, you kinda want mobility tho

[zinc phoenix]

That’s the 4 tho

This is a 2

[hot zephyr]

Look at the bottom

Lists the II and V too

[zinc phoenix]

Well that’s just fucking confusing 😂

[wind spruce]

I realised yesterday the cleave damage stat effects your heavies vs unarmoured

[paper loom]

Ty for your help guys

[ornate hamlet]

Cleave damage affects the damage to unarmored, infested and I forgot what else

[wind spruce]

Which is pretty useless information

But interesting

[ornate hamlet]

Because it's not actually only the cleave damage it affects

It's a hidden first target for specific types

[wind spruce]

Interesting. It might be because the damage % is above 100% for unarmoured

[ornate hamlet]

I tested it with, I think, 53% and 79% cleave

Didn't check flak tho

[wind spruce]

Doesn't change the flak calculation

Hence my theory about the above 100% value

[ornate hamlet]

The fattest of sharks

It got me to thinking about poxwalker headshot breakpoints

[plucky flax]

[wind spruce]

It effects infested

Just tested it

[ornate hamlet]

It does, yeah

[wind spruce]

I mean for first target, fyi

[ornate hamlet]

Stinky stat minmaxing

[wind spruce]

So stinky

My brain goes haywire calculating which sword is the best because we can't get red weapons 😦

[ornate hamlet]

I live in copium that the first light will get headshot priority one day

[wind spruce]

Giggity

[hot zephyr]

I just use the "all stats above 70?" rule, because even if it's not ideally distributed like a 4x80+60, you don't have a dump stat.

[plucky flax]

Think I'll go shred on it and use it with trauma.

[wind spruce]

Doesnt stop brain go brrrrrr

[plucky flax]

I have really good mk4 anyway but mk5 is the swaggiest.

[wind spruce]

Have u got an argument for Shred over riposte

[rare arrow]

Shred is guaranteed

Riposte isn’t

If I’m against 100 enemies dodging and swinging riposte will inevitably proc st some point

However as soon as I start swinging whether they are trying to hit me or not I get shred

You and 1 crusher? Hit him a couple times and you get shred

[wind spruce]

You get it at 20% on the sixth swing.

If you're in a horde riposte will activate.

If you're against crushers doing overheads, it will activate.

If you dodge a mutant, it will activate.

It just seems way better.

[ornate hamlet]

Shred relies on the player, riposte relies on the enemy

[fair spruce]

a quick and dirty explanation of breakpoints, if anyone was unaware

carry on

[rare arrow]

This

I can’t control the enemy but I can force shred to proc

Also if you’re using ds4 and are letting crusher swing overheads you’re doing it wrong

[wind spruce]

Brother, there's often more than one crusher

[ornate hamlet]

I remember when good balance was bugged and required the player to just dodge near an enemy

It felt so nice

[plucky flax]

Fair both are really good. I like ds4 with rampage too.

I think I use shred just because it's what I've known.

[ornate hamlet]

I don't like baiting attacks that might hit me due to some fucky hitbox

[plucky flax]

I'm a slave to routine and complacency.

[wind spruce]

My favourite thing about riposte is entering melee with it up because I dodged an enemy shooter

[rare arrow]

I already gave the answer lol you can always control when shred stacks you cannot always control riposte proc

If you prefer riposte that’s fine, but it isn’t guaranteed

[ornate hamlet]

Considering how often dance of death doesn't proc, I even have my doubts about what actually constitutes a dodge

[rare arrow]

This is actually my favorite description of it I’ve ever read

If you want to use riposte because “there’s so many enemies surely it will proc” then do it

[wind spruce]

That's not my reasoning

[rare arrow]

But if there are “so many enemies” then shred will always proc

[wind spruce]

And far from the only good reason

[ornate hamlet]

At least they buffed riposte to 6 seconds, but dodge conditions really left a sour taste on my mouth as I played the game

It's one of the reasons I don't really care for duelist

[plucky flax]

Is there an internal cd for riposte?

[wind spruce]

No

[plucky flax]

Some of the dodge talents have icd.

[rare arrow]

If shred was a significantly higher percent as it’s less reliable to proc the. I’d be ok with it and more inclined.

[plucky flax]

Oh that's nice.

[ornate hamlet]

Second wind just exists in my build because it's on the way and somehow is really fucky on chaos spawns

[plucky flax]

Like the toughness on dodge for zealot.

It has icd.

And can only triggers one at a time.

Still a really good talent though.

[ornate hamlet]

Very

It's like the judgement one, but not needing to wait 8 seconds

[rare arrow]

I think riposte does too but I believe it’s < rank 4 duration

Though I could be wrong

[plucky flax]

My man just said there's no icd.

[wind spruce]

riposte
https://outplayed.tv/media/aYmG8y

[plucky flax]

I'll switch shred to riposte on my mk5 tbh.

Though I think I will keep mk4, since I use mk4 in melee scab only.

[rare arrow]

What is that UI

[plucky flax]

And I trauma blast to cc crushers then poke them.

No dodging required.

[ornate hamlet]

The uest i in the world

[queen fog]

a customizable one via mods

[rare arrow]

Just CC with special action in between attacks

[queen fog]

its not all in the middle but its enough to see at a glance

[plucky flax]

Also mk5 super long dodge of 15% would benefit from no icd riposte.

[plucky flax]

BRO I AM NOT THAT GOOD

[ornate hamlet]

Yes you are

[queen fog]

rather than the usual "lets put buffs and other duration based thingys on the bottom of the screen"

[wind spruce]

It's not in the middle because trauma staff

[ornate hamlet]

I cannot say the b-word

[wind spruce]

I want to see my blue circle

[queen fog]

oh im not discreding the placement

more power to you

[plucky flax]

Literally got carried by teammates.

[queen fog]

i dont use mods myself so i dont have that flexability

[rare arrow]

I just use scoreboard

[plucky flax]

'Average melee vet build' but took the most ammo and got the most ranged kills.

[rare arrow]

Base UI is fine and haven’t really cared about other mods

[plucky flax]

Much average 'melee' build.

[queen fog]

mods is mods, i dont dislike using it but it has gotten me crashed in a handful of matches when others have them

which is weird but theres not much fixing a issue like that in good time

[wind spruce]

One thing about dodge mechanics is they can't proc vs ragers

Atleast not the blessings

[queen fog]

ya theyb uffed ragers in the past so now u gotta

get outta their range

[plucky flax]

My man was out for my blood for no reason. I never flamed anyone during that round.

[rare arrow]

Special pike

Special poke with the ds

[rare arrow]

Is this oven?

[wind spruce]

Only top on damage and specials? Not elites? Git gud scrub

[ornate hamlet]

Homie did half your melee damage and you still killed more shooters

[plucky flax]

Yes.

[plucky flax]

Shh his melee vet build is OP and carried me.

By all the ))) I know he's russian.