psyker-class

[ionic needle]

What melee weapon did you run with assail?

[ornate hamlet]

I never get everything I need, so I'm always making compromises

I used the mk4 dueling sword

The vet tree also has niche keystones, which I quite enjoy

[lethal lagoon]

Aww I missed the smite debate, those are always funny.

[ornate hamlet]

I made some builds that didn't care for the keystones and they were still great

[ionic needle]

Why not pair it with something else? I found that using assail paired with mk 6 dagger was fun because I had to swap in and out of assail to keep up with killing the horde in front of me

[ornate hamlet]

Now if you try to not use psyker keystones, that's grabbing a shotgun and pointing it at your foot

I didn't enjoy playing dagger on psyker due to the slow attack speed

[ionic needle]

You don't use it to attack, you use it to fly

[ornate hamlet]

And swapping to assail for hordes was what drove me away from it

[ionic needle]

No but don't step out of the horde, push swap to assail throw a few of them, swap back to dagger and keep going

[ornate hamlet]

I did that with dueling sword, but seeing the horde fall more easily to one crit assail than my sword felt bad

[ionic needle]

DS4 and assail does the same job when it comes to a horde so it's not really meaningful to use both, with dagger you get mobility and high single target damage and you pair it with assail horde clear or ranged single target and they complement each other

[flint plover]

Riposte or Shred on a DS4?

[orchid nest]

you absolutely should weave them, that is intended gameplay to make up for DS4 horde clear. the ds4 stacks true aim and malefic, the assail crits and uses/procs blessings and perks

[final bison]

You think scrier gaze is best for a spell sword?

[hollow jolt]

I personally liked Assail more for that aggressive psyker play

Lets me kill shooters that I would normally have trouble hitting

[haughty star]

Does the perk that stacks warp damage buff charged force sword attacks

[ionic needle]

This game really doesn't mix well with alcohol

[zinc phoenix]

Vet tree is busted rn and you can make nigh invincible melee vet

[orchid nest]

yeah

[ionic needle]

I've had enough to both be shit at the game AND know that I'm shit at the game

[zinc phoenix]

While still having crazy range because plasma merely needs to exist

[haughty star]

Love this chat

All these dumb obscure questions I've had that Google questionably answers

[ionic needle]

It would be so nice if the game could answer those questions, not because they're annoying to see here but because sometimes I just want to find out something without having to ask here

But no, tooltips just can't be good

[fresh reef]

first match back after some time, don't think I did too bad

DS4/Surge/Assail/Shriek

[ionic needle]

I like Surge, it's a fun staff

[ornate hamlet]

Melee vets using agile engagement and weapon specialist to nuke every specialist in sight

[hollow jolt]

Vet needs a buff

Built-in Survivalist pls

[ionic needle]

@lethal lagoon Did you try the LMB VS build???

[lethal lagoon]

Nah I just got home, can't play for a few hours.

[ionic needle]

Too bad

[ornate hamlet]

I think the sword and the ability fighting for peril isn't nice, but maybe some people stacked enough warp resist to get it done

[lethal lagoon]

I can't decide if I wanna do lmb surge or lmb void/trauma though

[ionic needle]

It's really shitty we can't get crit aura and shriek

[lethal lagoon]

It is

[ionic needle]

Would love to go crit aura, shriek and surge staff

LMB spam

[lethal lagoon]

The horizontal stumpiness of the psyker tree is irritating.

[ornate hamlet]

I love diagonals I love diagonals I love diagonals

[ionic needle]

I'm at Hadron looking at this on my voidstrike right now and I swear there's a build here somewhere

[plush oak]

Also if u get crit aura u cant get the node that reduces cd by 5% for each specialist kill which is again dumb

Also warp siphon just straight up doesnt work with scriers gaze

[zinc phoenix]

That build’s name? Alexa

[ionic needle]

wtf, I don't even have run and gun on surge

Like, I don't have the blessing

[ornate hamlet]

True and real

[ionic needle]

GOT IT

Finally

Those two minutes of not having it was excrutiating

[ornate hamlet]

That was fast

[ionic needle]

Pretty much perfect LMB spam surge

[opaque topaz]

four psykers walk into a bar

one of them complains of a headache

[fading wedge]

the rest are not part of their dream

[haughty star]

I couldn't imagine going without run n gun!

[ionic needle]

Giving it a spin now!

[lethal lagoon]

[ionic needle]

It is so bad

[lethal lagoon]

Lmao

I was just about to get a staff ready, starting with surge, I guess I should skip straight to void/trauma lmao.

[ionic needle]

Well it might actually be my build that's bad

I went with kinetic flayer, shriek and DD as a joke

Laughed while doing it, now I'm not sure why

[hushed egret]

for primary spam or just surge in general?

[lethal lagoon]

Primary spam. I did run DD on Surge back when it's charge attack could headshot, was fun.

Surge is really good at grabbing DD targets

[hushed egret]

it can still headshot cant it? just randomly?

[lethal lagoon]

No

Body only

[hushed egret]

damn

so I wasnt imagining things but patched out

[lethal lagoon]

It went "Surge can now gib! Cool"
Oh wait it now randomly hits limbs. Oh limb hits do -50% for some reason.
Oh now the damage is fixed and it can hit headshots too, true aim time for smite/surge!
Oh back to body only.

[hushed egret]

also didnt smite also crit and deal weakspots before?

[west fox]

Some serious warp-buggery going on

[hushed egret]

I swear the crit chance tanked at some point afyer I reached endgame

[lethal lagoon]

After the gib change yes, it hit smite too

[hushed egret]

I was doing crit builds with smite before they did that

was great

[ionic needle]

Hahaha, this is so stupid

[west fox]

Are these what we call "mind bullets"?

[ionic needle]

I'm 90% sure it's all about my build and current state of mind. Might actually work if you're playing well.

[lethal lagoon]

Wish me luck

[ionic needle]

Not sure why I went with kinetic flayer

[ionic needle]

Luck wished!

[lethal lagoon]

I hope no one inspects my trauma

[ionic needle]

Hahaha

[hushed egret]

how are you guys posting builds pics like that?

[lethal lagoon]

At least your void looks okay

They wouldn't know

[lethal lagoon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[hushed egret]

[lethal lagoon]

The weapon is an ingame screenshot though

[hushed egret]

ye

[ionic needle]

My surge has run n gun and nexus 3

[lethal lagoon]

Oh yeah you switched to surge

[ionic needle]

Decided to not go with gaze, I would just blow up constantly now

[lethal lagoon]

Normally I wouldn't but I wonder if I shuld make an anim cancel macro.

[long wharf]

man, I'm really tempted to get the new Vet helm

I don't even care that it doesn't have neck protection

[zinc phoenix]

*dies of whiplash*

[mighty olive]

maaaan this week's stink, repeats 😦

[latent hill]

Tbh I haven’t seen these ones so, I’m up for it.

Especially that revolver

[zinc phoenix]

I see the advantage of shield now. I can use the two pop shield to block specials and keep my idiot team alive

[mighty olive]

the gun is new, and the green bandana, the outfit only has a new helm but is still a giant saucer lol but the other stuff is repeat

[zinc phoenix]

The damage output loss from not having shriek is so huge tho

[latent hill]

I have the dome version of shield.

[hushed egret]

game has to repeat stuff inevitably

[ionic needle]

@lethal lagoon Hahaha, still won the offense score

[haughty star]

3head melee psyker build

[ionic needle]

No

[long wharf]

better or worse than a Nurgle plague?

[ionic needle]

Love the decision to go for kinetic flayer over perilous combustion

[long wharf]

jesus h christ that talent tree hurts my soul

is that a gun build? please tell me it's a gun build

[eager mantle]

No PC smh

[latent hill]

He said it was a melee build

[tulip kettle]

@long wharf

[long wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[mighty olive]

https://tenor.com/view/send-help-help-help-me-help-me-im-poor-bad-situation-gif-15097358

[ionic needle]

It's an okay build if he's going for a force sword, but I just don't see why you'd ever choose KF over PC

[long wharf]

yeah, KF is basically useless

and PC is amazeballs

https://tenor.com/view/cat-amazed-whoa-universe-colorful-gif-21336051

[latent hill]

Kf, pc?

[long wharf]

Kinetic Flayer (upgrade node for BB)*

Perilous Combustion

[ionic needle]

kinetic flayer, perilous combustion

[latent hill]

Oh.

Bleh…

I’m an idiot

[tulip kettle]

which catachan swords do you guys like and why? i can only get along with the mk4

[long wharf]

PC applies 3 stacks of soulblaze to all enemies around an elite/specialist you kill

it doesn't sound like much, but when you get to kill multiple in a pack, it does real work

[latent hill]

Waves of specialists?

[long wharf]

works wonders against poxpups

and when you get clown-car groups of gunners/ragers

[latent hill]

Los perros?

[ionic needle]

Now this right here is an Illisi build

[prime elk]

Mk4 is bae

[long wharf]

why not sacrifice that last toughness node in the middle-bottom for toughness gain on peril gen?

go all-in

[haughty star]

It's melee with Columbus for fallback

[ionic needle]

Because toughness on peril gen is shit compared to 15 toughness!

[long wharf]

I wouldn't take Perfect Timing for an illisi build

[half iron]

the among us infantry autogun🗣️🗣️

[ionic needle]

I already generate toughness from crits, magic, quelling, I don't need any more

[ornate hamlet]

perfect timing funny

[haughty star]

I went kf to try it for a guaranteed Lil toughness buff

[ionic needle]

Yes you would

The charged attack is warp damage

[long wharf]

in fact, if you really want All-toughness-all-the-time, I present you:

[long wharf]

are you running Bloodthirsty on that, then?

[ionic needle]

No

[long wharf]

True Aim isn't doing you any good, as it only guarantees crit on ranged attack

[ionic needle]

Wait, let me make you the illisi

I'm going for DD, I have to get true aim

[long wharf]

okay

[ionic needle]

Look at this beauty

[long wharf]

I've seen trash before

[ionic needle]

It's got the curves in all the right places

[long wharf]

you mistyped "wrong"

[steep estuary]

wheeze

[haughty star]

I prefer mine lol the kf is kinda my bounce around point rn. I figured if nothing else it's a free ten percent toughness every 15 seconds lol

[tulip kettle]

that illisi is... why?

[ionic needle]

WHY

[tulip kettle]

why would you go for a 310

[ionic needle]

Because when you're out of gaze

[half iron]

that illisi is huh?

[ionic needle]

You can stroke it a few times

[half iron]

even my illisi is bigger than that

[ionic needle]

To get warp rider going

[long wharf]

alright siblings, everyone whip out their own swords so we can all compare

[tulip kettle]

are we gonna have an illisi measuring contest?

[ionic needle]

Don't look at the sum total!

[half iron]

yes

[haughty star]

You don't need that lol

[tulip kettle]

changes operative

[half iron]

my illisi has pretty good girth

[ionic needle]

There we go

YUMMY

[half iron]

crying emoji

[long wharf]

crap, now I have to write myself a note in my code to remind myself of what I was doing when I interrupted myself

[ionic needle]

It's FLAWLESS

[haughty star]

Having a hard time determining if he's trolling or not lol

[half iron]

so, you know how you feel when you have to do the task in electrical when you play among us?
that’s that illisi.

[haughty star]

Lowest I'd go on warp resist is like 60

[ionic needle]

With less warp ress you generate more peril

When you stroke the blade

[ionic needle]

More peril = More damage and toughness

Also you get to quell the peril afterwards, which gives you more toughness

[haughty star]

Mines pretty much maxed on everything but warp resist and 60 percent on that

[ionic needle]

Disgusting

[haughty star]

Yeah but you could just ya know

Use the charge

[tulip kettle]

i put precog on it when i dont want deflector

so finesse is fine

[ionic needle]

Of course I use the charge

Stroke -> Slash -> Stroke -> Slash

And with exorcist I quell all that peril with every hit

[half iron]

i’m a little gremlin that likes some bloodthirsty on my illisi

[haughty star]

My dream one will have slaughterer and unstable

I already have unstable 4

[ionic needle]

I had one like that, but I think I've sold it

[haughty star]

Unstable is better in some instances than uncanny

Cuz maffff

[white blaze]

flexing a little but kind of hyped still, HM down, Psyker feels so strong on this fight like holy shit

[tulip kettle]

gratz dude

[elfin roost]

Chadrin-Swolesson

[long wharf]

he's from Norway

[eager mantle]

Can that ogryn say his own name?

[flint plover]

Hah, I've played with him a few times in the last week

[ionic needle]

haha, just got this

[haughty star]

That's prolly pretty decent

Bout 18 percent per charge or some shit but it's fine

[ionic needle]

Yeah that's awesome, you want a lot of peril per charge

[haughty star]

God damn broooo

I don't have the plasteel to burn lol

I'll just have to play I guess

[lethal lagoon]

@ionic needle

Unironically pretty good.

Also pretty exhausting.

Also, maybe I'm not good enough at being gay but Scrier's felt awkward AF to use.

I was constantly waiting for it to end at certain points

LMB staff meta @strong gulch

[ionic needle]

Oh hey that went well

Was that surge or void?

[lethal lagoon]

Trauma

[ionic needle]

Right

[lethal lagoon]

I hope that psyker didn't have scoreboard installed, what if he thinks this is the actual meta, to only use lmb 😆

[ionic needle]

Did you really get 931 kills using LMB?? Haha wtf

Seems like you handled elites as well, without being carried by PC

[long wharf]

major troll move

[lethal lagoon]

There was a plasma vet

I barely got any PC lmao

Everytime there was a shotgunner horde, I'd have no shot 😦

[ionic needle]

Hate plasma vets

[lethal lagoon]

Also, with full DD stacks, I was one-shotting gunners

[ionic needle]

They steal my fire

[lethal lagoon]

It was fucking wild

[ionic needle]

Oh that's really cool

[lethal lagoon]

You also have infinite supression, so you can juts face tank gunners

[ionic needle]

I wanna try LMB trauma now

[lethal lagoon]

I assume it's the same as LMB void...

right?

[ionic needle]

Making one tomorrow

Maybe?

[lethal lagoon]

I think the stacks from scier's was what was letting me one shot gunners

[ionic needle]

That makes sense

[lethal lagoon]

It's kind of funny how scared OG gunners were of you shooting anywhere in their general direction lmao

[final bison]

I think I need to get better curios

Im constantly sad for being squishy

Ans I know there is a skill thing, positioning

But its not like im a noob

I dodge dance well, i run and crouch well, i run psyker shield because of course Public games people don’t prioritize shooters

Still

If i miss a hearing cue i can get down by a fucking little scabber

[ionic needle]

What's your curios setup now?

[lethal lagoon]

My second psyker with no good curios is about as squishy as my first with meta curios 🤷‍♂️

Psykers are just squish, it's a sharp learning curve.

[ionic needle]

We're space wizards fighting space aids zombies, of course we die

[final bison]

+3 vigor

Vigor regen max
Block +10
Sniper resistance max

/

16% tough

22.5% tough regen
Gunner resistance max
Corruption resistance max

/

Life 19%

22.5% tough regen
Gunner resistance
Block +10

[ionic needle]

Those are all good

[lethal lagoon]

Tough regen is pretty mid unless you have 3 30%s though

They are multiplicative

Block is unneeded too

[ionic needle]

HP caps out at 21% and toughness at 17%, but that setup looks very decent

[lethal lagoon]

Sniper and gunner is good

[final bison]

I don’t feel happy playing

I die too much in standard damnation

And ai never even tried an Auric because why the fuck would I

And people@call Auric EASY

Qnd I just feel sad

[spice veldt]

and just to be sure, you're spamming dodges right

don't bother putting too much thought into dodges in this game

besides against overheads and all that dangerous stuff

just spam your dodge button against most things and you'll be A-okay

[lethal lagoon]

You can try my 0 braincell surge/ep smite build

[final bison]

I only “spam” dodge if im surrounded by horde without purgatus build (my build 1)

Or if im soloing ohryn heavy maulers and arnored ragers

[spice veldt]

if you're getting smacked by an enemy that you didn't notice, spamming dodges would've saved you

[final bison]

Send me that build please

[spice veldt]

since the braindead way is the optimal way to play since you don't need to divert your attention to see if there's an enemy near you

you just spam dodges and have this passive protection up all the time

[lethal lagoon]

Just spam Surge and use EP smite when there's lots of thingies.
The general notion is EP smite -> Flaming shriek at 85% peril -> keep holding EP smite and release just before 100.

[foggy tangle]

is void/illisi a good combo?

[harsh urchin]

it's aight

[lethal lagoon]

I don't recommend running this build too much, it's brain off as fuck. But if you are feeling sad about psyker, it's a good build.

[foggy tangle]

should I use deimos instead?

[final bison]

Isnt that too carpal intensive?

[hushed egret]

every game has people that call it easy. truth is, Darktide is one of the mosy challenging games you can play on the market. on the plus side, it's also one of the fairest and masterable on the market. if you're so much as able to take on damnation, you're already doing pretty well for yourself

[spice veldt]

depends on how good your muscle memory is

i'm pretty good at pressing my keys at a set pace cuz of rhythm games

[harsh urchin]

tbh just use whatever weapon you're most comfortable with

[spice veldt]

so your mileage may vary

[harsh urchin]

under pressure

[hushed egret]

ye

[lethal lagoon]

No, I was good from the start and definitely didn't exclusively farm low-int t5s.

I definitely didn't.

[harsh urchin]

void handles every situation, so you'll most likely be pulling out melee when there's mutants and when you're under pressure.

[foggy tangle]

I just haven't played in a long time, my stuff is decent I just need to find surge on a void staff. I did auric 4 last night and it felt okay

[spice veldt]

and I also just put my attention towards spamming dodges at a certain rhythm rather than completely mashing it sometimes

because I actually can't afford to mash my dodge button too fast since it's on my weaker pinky

[hushed egret]

I get to use my thumb for dodge

[lethal lagoon]

isn't thumb dodge on keyboard too?

[hushed egret]

I basically spam it until I know I can afford not to to regen then go again headlong into danger

[lethal lagoon]

We are talking abotu slides

[spice veldt]

yeah, i have it moved to shift to free my thumb up

[hushed egret]

dodge isnt slide

[final bison]

Arco

Just to be clear

By spam dodge you mean I should stay 25 minutes out of the 28 minutes of a game pressing SPACE or direxrional +space or double tap mod?

[hushed egret]

idk what leyboard defaults are

[ornate hamlet]

I dodge until 0, then block and push to recharge

[lethal lagoon]

Wait spam normal dodge, not dodge slides?

[spice veldt]

pretty much it

you don't have to spam dodges if there's no enemies around of course

but if I'm a fight, I'm basically always spamming my dodges

[lethal lagoon]

Dodge sliding during the smite cast, esp to move forwardish, is a great move too

[final bison]

Even if the dodge count gets negative? Or always pacing the dodge count regen?

[spice veldt]

and allowing them to reset intermittently, and I pay more attention when enemies like crushers/maulers are around and whatnot

[long wharf]

I use slide to do lengthy anims that would otherwise slow me down

[ionic needle]

Rebinding the default keys really helps as well

[spice veldt]

i run the duelling sword which has pretty good inefficient dodges

so yeah it also depends on the weapon you're running and how good their mobility stats are

[long wharf]

slide when charging your staff

slide when reloading

slide when quelling

[hushed egret]

well the slide is a whole extra input that doesnt necessarily need to be done. you dont always need the extra distance, and sometimes it hurts you like in melee combat a slide might make you too far to hit what you want. either way, nobody said anything about not also sliding

[spice veldt]

with duelling swords, you can really turn your brain off for dodge management

[final bison]

Deimos + Purgatus (build 1)

Ilisi + Surge (build 2)

[lethal lagoon]

My question was more for acro, if he just spams normal dodge the whole game and doesn't slide that much.

I understand the difference lmao

[spice veldt]

i only dodge-slide if I'm quelling/casting or against ranged attacks

[lethal lagoon]

Hmm, I guess I do the same. Unless I'm panicking.

[hushed egret]

@final bison just passively dodge a lot, better to spam it too much than not often enough. the more you do it, the more you'll get a feel for when you dont need it. if you dont have dodges but still need defense, dont forget your block and shove, great for giving you time to recharge

[spice veldt]

psyker's consecutive dodge cooldown is good enough that you can just get two dodges off

unlike vet where you might have to dodge-slide to get extra distance off of your slide because of their longer consecutive cooldown

[lethal lagoon]

You can outslide a poxburster too pretty unreliable though

[final bison]

I only shove to build uncanny charges or buster or dueling a gunner while blocking

[long wharf]

more reliable when you have extra dodge distance knife/ds gives you

[hushed egret]

you should shove pretty much anytime you have something within range you want to stop doing something

[final bison]

Remember i use power swords

[hushed egret]

shoving can "reset" a horde that woukd otherwise attack at weird intervals

[lethal lagoon]

You know, I didn't even consider how much harder dodge sliding must be on controller in our dicussion yesterday.

[final bison]

Power sword shove is single target

[spice veldt]

you don't always have to chain into the push-attack after the push

you can just push and light 2 and continue the combo onwards

[final bison]

Oh

[hushed egret]

it is harder for sure, part of why I dont slide as often as I might otherwise, but I do it when it counts like escaping ragers and gunners

[spice veldt]

on the psword, I usually just get greedy and gamble on being able to get an activation and attack off even when pressured

since getting guardbroken on the psword has gotten me killed many times

[ornate hamlet]

Wait, there's a dodge cooldown too?

You're telling me psykers have to wait less to dodge again?

[spice veldt]

yeah

they have similar dodge stats to zealot

[ornate hamlet]

This game is so dumb

[spice veldt]

but unlike zealot, they don't need to go as hard into melee

[hushed egret]

tbh the biggest problem with dodges on controller is that I have to take my thumb off the aim stick. hard to aim while dodging. I'm used to it and overcome it by aiming then dodging or using the movement to do part of the aiming but yeah

[long wharf]

is the dodge cooldown related to stamina regen?

[spice veldt]

i firmly believe that people with survivability issues on psyker don't spam dodges enough

[long wharf]

because psyker has the fastest stamina regen delay of all the classes

[spice veldt]

i think they're separate parameters

[long wharf]

alright

[spice veldt]

zealots has a similarly fast cooldown

[hushed egret]

Psyker just has good dodge stats

it's the finesse class

highest base crit chance too

[long wharf]

I'm not sure it should be

[spice veldt]

we should steal Duellist from zealots

[hushed egret]

tbh yeah

[long wharf]

you'd think zealots would be the finesse/melee class

[hushed egret]

idk why Psyker has so much finesse orientation but they do

[lethal lagoon]

Cause we pew-pew but also get pew-pew

[hushed egret]

rapiers on Zealot would be so much fun

[lethal lagoon]

Just think about the average psyker cosmetic helmet, it's a toliet

[digital narwhal]

They'd use it like a club

[ornate hamlet]

Honestly I have no clue why it's zealot that has a bunch of dodge stuff

[long wharf]

yeah, but that's also generally how the psyker has been portrayed by GW

[hushed egret]

they gave us an aristocrat outfit for the pirate cosmetic set

[ornate hamlet]

Psyker has always been known for the exclusive melees having funny dodges

[lethal lagoon]

It's a little too wide, they went full cookie time.

Avg ogryn gonna take a bite out of your head

[ornate hamlet]

And if I'm to grasp at straws

The crit on dodge blessing is called precognition

Which is something only psykers are capable of

Sounds to me like psyker is the class meant to have unnatural levels of slipperiness

[lunar hollow]

probs cuz they gave zealot the assassin-style subclass

[ornate hamlet]

We technically have that with empathic evasion

You get a crit and turn into Neo

But I think there's no psyker talent that actually benefits from the mass of dodges we got

[lunar hollow]

cuz like the idea of the entire right side is u go wherever u want hence loner/momentum/stealth etc

[hushed egret]

Psyker is meant to be made of glass so cant give us too much survivability

[lunar hollow]

and ur mobile

[ornate hamlet]

They're not

Psyker's glass thing is pretty much a meme

[lunar hollow]

i mean psyker is a "glass cannon" in the sense that u have the lowest hp survivability

[hushed egret]

psyker is at least as fragile as vet

[lunar hollow]

the class is more oriented around not getting hit significantly

[lethal lagoon]

Psyker has plenty of glass compensation, but it doesn't change the fact that if a couple poxies hit you at the same time you are basically deadge.

[long wharf]

it's not a meme if FartShack explicitly said that the psyker is supposed to be a glass cannon

[ornate hamlet]

Vet has iron will, that toughness DR node at the top of the tree and can easily reach 200 toughness

[digital narwhal]

No? It's pretty true
They genuinely have the lowest overall total Toughness + HP stats when put together.
Plus, FS specifically mentioned that's the intention for Psyker.

[lunar hollow]

psyker can just kinda shit out toughness whenever it wants though which makes up for it if u dont hit trade with poxwalkers a bunch

[digital narwhal]

^

[hushed egret]

yeah kinda

[ornate hamlet]

Considering the balance of the game, can anyone look me in the eye and tell me Fatshark knows exactly what to do in the game?

[long wharf]

gaining toughness quickly just means you can recover when you get hit (provided you aren't one-shot)

[digital narwhal]

Just manage your Toughness economy and don't get looked at funny more than twice in a moment.

[lunar hollow]

i think they have a pretty good general idea with a handful of missteps and some poor execution

the bomber fire change was good, they just got the numbers wrong on the first go

[hushed egret]

balance is pretty good

[long wharf]

that doesn't change the fact that the psyker can't take a lot of damage in bursts

[lunar hollow]

i mean explicitly if you're looking for "tank" classes you think of ones that can kinda shrug off stuff that could get you downed like sniper shots or bursters (or even an overhead)

and psyker can't really do any of that

[ornate hamlet]

If Fatshark intended for psyker to be the glass cannon, I don't think giving them kinetic deflection, the best dodges in the game, the best stamina regen delay, empathic evasion coupled with a crit aura and higher base crit and up to 33% toughness DR based on peril was the right idea for a "glass cannon"

[lunar hollow]

if you can manage your toughness/play around empathic evasion you can be "tanky"

but it's literally just not the same kind of survivabilty as an ogryn or zealot

[ornate hamlet]

Well yeah, psyker isn't a walking wall of armor, but people have a serious misunderstanding of its survivability

People talk as if psyker is made of paper

[lethal lagoon]

Not really? All those tools don't change the fact that psyker has minimal mistake tolerance.

[lunar hollow]

i don't disagree on that point but i think calling psyker a "glass cannon" isn't all that wrong on its own

you have a lot of tools to avoid damage yea

but u can play ogryn and just kinda consume sniper shots for free

[digital narwhal]

Psyker is made out of paper.
Psyker can take a hit at 100% Toughness, as long it doesn't bleed through to HP on sheer damage alone, but taking more than one hit in a moment can genuinely fuck your momentum.

[ornate hamlet]

It's a case of people looking at something more than good enough and saying "if this isn't the best, it's the worst"

[final bison]

I used to run that but I honestly felt no betterment on my survival

[spice veldt]

they're fine taking multiple hits unless you don't take the easily accessible toughness nodes

[ornate hamlet]

I don't like that, it feels disingenuous as fuck

[hushed egret]

it really isnt

[final bison]

In my crit build

[ornate hamlet]

It gives people the wrong idea about psyker

The whole thing is "outside of the myriad of stellar active defenses psyker has, they're not better than the Bardin copypaste, so their defenses are bad"

Well yeah, I suppose if the good parts are ignored, we truly are only left with bad parts

[lunar hollow]

there's a very very very big difference in gameplay between mechanics you can use to avoid damage and just eating the damage without really caring

[ornate hamlet]

But the survivability comes from both taking and avoiding damage altogether

[digital narwhal]

We're not saying Psyker has bad defence, but that they're squishy in the sense that taking multiple hits at once is going to be more painful for you than other classes.
Psyker has very little mistake tolerance, as Atlas put it earlier.

Being Squishy =/= Bad Survivability

[spice veldt]

on the other hand, you have an easier time avoiding cascades

[spice veldt]

in this case, you're just remarking on our passive stats and ignoring our active defenses, as sterling put it above

[ornate hamlet]

I wish I didn't meet so many people regurgitating the "psyker is a glass cannon" meme thinking it's the MMO DPS class or something

I insist it gives people a seriously wrong idea of how psyker is played and we end up with many people who are afraid of fully using psyker

Also known as smite and staff spammers

The guys that fold to 3 poxwalkers and complain that psyker is squishy

[long wharf]

I mean, if you get hit from behind by 3 walkers on damnation, you're going down

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lunar hollow]

this discussion changes depending on the context at which you're talking about psyker's survivability

[long wharf]

yep

[lunar hollow]

because if some guy just got to 30 and is going into auric and is like "damn i'm going down a lot compared to my zealot psyker feels squishy"

he isn't wrong

because, again, there is a difference between passive damage mitigation and being able to actively avoid it, and at that point you have to start considering relative skill level

[long wharf]

at the end of the day, a good player is able to make the psyker feel durable by largely dodging and sliding

[digital narwhal]

I'm keeping in mind that we have our bonkers Toughness regeneration, Empathic Evasion, One with the Warp, and the likes.
We all know Psyker has very strong survivability, and is considerably less "squishy" on a ranged front where hitstun is much less of an issue, but mistake tolerance is still something that's very low when in melee range of enemies, and I think we should just be keeping that in mind during this discussion.

[lunar hollow]

i think people severely overplay how weak psyker's defenses are but they are by and large 1. not as easy as ogryn/psyker and 2. not as intuitive

[long wharf]

a bad player has no built-in hit-tanking with the psyker

[spice veldt]

i hittrade in melee as psyker all the time and I'm doing pretty fine

[lunar hollow]

someone's going to pick up on the other classes having more hp/toughness and go "yeah these guys survive more" and are far

[spice veldt]

psyker's mistake tolerance is fine unless you're just not reacting to getting hit at all

[lunar hollow]

far less likely to understand how the stamina regen delay difference can keep you alive in dangerous situations

[long wharf]

and as long as you aren't getting your health chipped, that works

[spice veldt]

oh i'm getting my health chipped

and it works

cuz i'm fine with trading out health

[ornate hamlet]

On that I can definitely agree

[spice veldt]

I play extremely recklessly and brainlessly and I still live

[ornate hamlet]

Playing zealot is a much easier time because of all the safeguards I have

[lunar hollow]

psyker is probably the class that would benefit the most from a comprehensive explanation on the game's underlying mechanics like dodges, stamina, etc that the tutorial does not give

[lunar hollow]

this is just something that depends on how good you are at the game

[ornate hamlet]

Psyker has a higher skill floor to not get bent by the poxwalkers, but it's so incredibly rewarding to do stuff like aiming well and surviving on empathic evasion by the skin of your teeth in the middle of 7 gunners

[spice veldt]

i don't think that you need to be good though

it's just a knowledge check and a memory muscle check

[lunar hollow]

that does kind of constitute the majority of skill in this game..?

[ornate hamlet]

Or getting those tactical little crits on melee to reach the ranged guys while supplementing the times you don't have the buff up by dodging and sliding

[spice veldt]

not really
if you know what to do, like spamming dodges and not putting any thought into it, you'll be basically set

[ornate hamlet]

Or tanking a boss with KD and quelling the peril precisely inbetween the attacks

Speaking of

[lunar hollow]

like being able to handle yourself safely in melee is a skill you have to develop regardless of how much effort you think goes into it

[ornate hamlet]

I think it might be the only class that can regen toughness on its own using quietude and that other peril thingy

[long wharf]

I feel like Arcotash is downplaying what "playing with skill" is in Darktide

[ornate hamlet]

Granted zealot has loner for that too, but nobody likes loner

[spice veldt]

i really do not think I am

[long wharf]

you can't just constantly mash the dodge button and win

[lunar hollow]

it sounds like you're used to the flow of the game and assume it's as intuitive for others as it is for you

[spice veldt]

it's just that the game doesn't explain its systems well

[ornate hamlet]

And loner scales with toughness regen on curios, which gets a bit eh if you want something else

[spice veldt]

i expect it to be more intuitive if players knew what we knew earlier on

[long wharf]

Darktide isn't intuitive

[ornate hamlet]

I guess all I'm really saying is I'm a melee psyker sweat and I think it's fucking awesome

[spice veldt]

i weigh the knowledge portion of this game very highly

[lunar hollow]

like i feel like "it's just a knowledge check and a memory muscle check" is literally just saying it's skill dependent

these are very core components of developing any kind of mechanical skill

[long wharf]

it's multi-layered combat is filled with nuances on animations-per-weapon, which is beneficial to cancel, the fact that you can animation cancel, etc

yeah

[ornate hamlet]

To be fair, with Fatshark I don't think knowledge checks can even fall under skill

[lunar hollow]

to an extent they do

[ornate hamlet]

It's more like you getting fucked if you're not a code archeologist

Or don't know someone who is

[long wharf]

"I don't play good, I just know all the enemy movesets, have all the levels memorized, know where most mobs spawn, have the right weapons to counter the enemies, and have built up the muscle memory to react to audio cues"

[lunar hollow]

well no i think you can figure out a lot of the dodging system, like it's not hard to recognize that against most enemies you press the dodge key before they swing and you don't get hit (except ragers fuck those guys)

[ornate hamlet]

They want you to dig the dinosaur bones that tell you about how the classes have different stamina delays

[spice veldt]

i play with my eyes unfocused and I don't pay attention to specific animation states unless it's an overhead

[long wharf]

or that Veterans take double damage while sprinting

[spice veldt]

if it's a swing, just spam dodges

[lunar hollow]

they don't anymore

[long wharf]

oh no? thank god.

[lunar hollow]

they normalized the toughness damage states

[spice veldt]

if it's a ranged patrol, spam dodges

[lunar hollow]

in p13

[long wharf]

phew

[ornate hamlet]

There's also weird shit, like

I swear if I dodge backwards on most attacks I get hit

[spice veldt]

spamming dodges is the solution to a lot of damage sources in this game, and it is barely skillful

yeah, running attacks and you don't move out of the way of their attack

[ornate hamlet]

But dodging sideways while glued to the enemy is a miss

[spice veldt]

dodging sideways is better

[ornate hamlet]

I end up doing hordes by dodging sideways pretty much always

I hardly back up because the game taught me I get hit doing that

[long wharf]

I semi-circle hordes

dodging sideways

both directions

keeps 'em nice and contained

[ornate hamlet]

I think there's also uhhh

Arco, wasn't it you who made a video on the dodge giving you iframes against crusher overheads?

[spice veldt]

nah that was crab

i just post his videos

[lunar hollow]

they don't give you iframes overheads just have a super short dodge catch

[ornate hamlet]

I remember the video was dodging against a wall, moving fuck-all and the overhead going right through

[lunar hollow]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1y8qHaF2IFRpw8/d1337DJjxFFA?invite=cr-MSw4Q1EsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

updated for p13

[harsh urchin]

gets kicked

[tall mango]

[long wharf]

... it's an Obscurus

sell

[ornate hamlet]

Keep it for patch 35

They'll fix it there

[long wharf]

is that when FartShack gives the Obscurus the unique special behavior of shooting lasers?

[hexed geyser]

This one will have the reflector blessings, a straight upgrade from deflector that shoots back

[latent hill]

What’s obscurus do exactly?

[long wharf]

it's the original force sword

so, nothing special

not great for groups

not good for single target damage

it was made obsolete when the Illisi and Deimos arrived

[hexed geyser]

It's the in between that does nothing great, but everything fine. But psykers can work with both weapon doing something great and patch the gaps

[latent hill]

Deimos is kinda good for hordes

kinda

[final bison]

Do you spam dodges with purgatus stuff (non- run and gun build)

[hexed geyser]

At this point everything is kinda good for hordes

With hordes i use it like a dueling sword, heavies only and kill them one at the time

[ornate hamlet]

Obscurus and deimos are very similar for hordes

The obscurus has a lot of vertical attacks

[potent echo]

Obscurus is slightly better because it has a "sweepy" combo

Light heavy light repeat

Idk why but the Deimos sweep has really bad cleave lol

[spice veldt]

ye i spam dodges with it as well

oh shit

wrong reply

[spice veldt]

ye

purg doesn't have any immediate stagger and I like to run into hordes to get the maximum coverage, so I'm often spamming dodges with purg out

the cast (but not the charge) is uninterruptible, so you can be very safe with hittrading with purg, esp if you have some toughness gen from stuff like mettle/soulstealer

[hexed geyser]

Is it just me of deflector is weird?

[long wharf]

depends on your definition of "weird"

[strong gulch]

Yeah you did. 🎉

I hope you had the auto mod. RIP if you didn't.

[hexed geyser]

I tried to tank a sniper shot and lost half my health

[haughty star]

do you have the perk that converts to peril?

[hexed geyser]

Yeah<

[spice veldt]

sniper shots bypass your block yeah like overheads do

[haughty star]

weird

[hexed geyser]

huh

[long wharf]

sniper shots aren't actually projectiles

[hexed geyser]

someone said it costs 0 peril tho

[long wharf]

it's an instant attack

[ionic needle]

They weren't lying. It costs 0 peril to get shot in the face.

[long wharf]

so FartShack devs have to explicitly account for it for every individual mechanic that's supposed to block shots

[bold maple]

think I just sell this for dockets, not even 380

[long wharf]

trash, no +crit chance

[bold maple]

innit

[haughty star]

so i just got a 329 illy with 80 in all stats but first target lol

ideally that's perfect right?

[long wharf]

no, but it's still usable

first target affects your damage

[haughty star]

charge doesn't have first target

same at 19 percent as it is at 80 in meat grinder

[long wharf]

I guess as long as you only ever swing with a charged sword

[lethal lagoon]

There's an actual challenge, LMB only, no mods or macros 🙂

[long wharf]

your poor carpal tunnels

[final bison]

Can I ask your Purg build picture? Skill tree

[strong gulch]

I'm just gonna start crying now.

[mighty matrix]

I do that already

[strong gulch]

My compression glove will not protect me.

[flint plover]

Keep riposte or shred?

[long wharf]

shred for better single target, riposte for hordes

[spice veldt]

i'm running some variation of this for now

[long wharf]

dang, not going Warp Siphon with purge?

[spice veldt]

i really like the nodes up top so i don't have points for warp siphon

[long wharf]

is DD that good for purge?

[spice veldt]

prob not

i don't think it's as terrible since it's still +15% damage

[long wharf]

oh, you aren't taking any capstone

[hot zephyr]

Why true aim on purge?

[spice veldt]

cuz assail grindset

[long wharf]

because he has assail for some reason

[spice veldt]

purg is good nuff on its own so i'm just taking true aim and other assail stuff

[hot zephyr]

So why not go EP for empowered assail then?

+50% base damage and free RMBs > true aim

[spice veldt]

cuz i don't like using EP

not for optimality reasons

but I don't like it

[long wharf]

weird

[final bison]

Why no Wildfire?

Also, why no Shield? Pub games suck without shield

[spice veldt]

i can run into ranged patrols with just purg and empathic evasion

[long wharf]

wildfire is crap when you're spraying soulblaze everywhere

[spice veldt]

wildfire is especially bad with purgatus

[long wharf]

complete waste

Wildfire has some severe restrictions

[spice veldt]

and purg suppresses ranged patrols, including reapers

[long wharf]

it never places soulblaze on an enemy with 4+ stacks already

[spice veldt]

so it's very safe to kill ranged patrols once you get close by means of sprinting perpendicularly and whatnot

[long wharf]

it only transfers up to 4 soulblaze stacks from the killed enemy

and only enemies immediately nearby

it's not anywhere near as good as the description makes it sound

[spice veldt]

the major thing that I'm missing out on is psykinetic's aura but it feels comfy to me for now

feels good to be using venting shriek again after so long

[final bison]

How to do rhis in a non-run gun build (that is, a flurry rmb, not a lmb purgatus)

[hot zephyr]

On purge you generally want shriek because it both dumps peril and adds soulblaze stacks.

[final bison]

I used to run it but Pub games are hell without a shield

Iam learning today that Wildfire is bad for ourgatus

Know what

Im gonna print my build and ask your critique here

[hot zephyr]

I'll post my current purge for contrast if you'd like as well.

[final bison]

Gimme 15 minutes eating

[long wharf]

it just looks so weird seeing a purge build not using Warp Siphon all the way for 6 stacks and chance to gain warp charge on soulblaze-affected death

it's basically a free, constant +24% damage

[hushed egret]

great with purgatus
for when you swap off, you keep the fire going despite that

[hot zephyr]

Here's my current purgatus talent build. I run my purgatus with a rashad combat axe or a mark 13 chainsword for dealing with crushers.

Key Talents:

Mettle + Perfect Timing + Empathic Evasion - Crits add 2 stacks of soulblaze, so might as well stack some movespeed, tough regen, extra damage and dodge too.

Psykinetic Aura, Seer's Prescence, Warp Siphon Keystone - Cooldown Reduction allows Shriek to come off cooldown very fast, allowing you to dump peril frequently. I honestly rarely find a need to manual quell because of so much peril dump from Shriek and Becalming Eruption.

Peril Generation Nodes + Inner Tranquility - All this peril generation reduction allows you to just keep charging RMB and pumping endless flames.

NO Warp Battery - You are dumping your Warp Siphon stacks for the cooldown reduction on Shriek, you don't actually care that much about the extra damage. Warp Rider and Perfect Timing will give more than enough extra damage. You will rarely accumulate more than 3-4 warp charges before shriek is off cooldown again and you're dumping peril again.

[long wharf]

no, it really isn't

Wildfire isn't anywhere as effective as you think it is

[hushed egret]

yeah. you can swap off the flamethrower and still maintain fire on enemies

[long wharf]

with purge, you're already hosing the entire room

scroll up and read what I wrote about Wildfire

[hushed egret]

until you swap off then you cant keep the fire going

[long wharf]

its limitations make it worthless

[hushed egret]

does it at least reset the duration on affected enemies?

over 4 stacks or not?

cause it'd still be great if it at least did that

[long wharf]

soulblaze doesn't have a duration that stacks refresh

each stack of soulblaze burns off on its own timer

[hushed egret]

applying stacks resets the duration

[long wharf]

I thought they rolled off on their own

[hushed egret]

nope. there's a timer before stacks start decaying, then each tick decays stacks, you can test that in the meat grinder

that timer before stacks decay can be reset by applying soulblaze again

[long wharf]

I imagine if Wildfire adds a stack of soulblaze to an enemy, that stack duration will reset, then

but it doesn't add more to an enemy with 4+ stacks already

[hot zephyr]

Wildfire is considered a pretty weak talent overall because of the limitations/problems listed by Pheonix. That doesn't mean it's worthless, but it's effect is marginal at best.

[long wharf]

and it only transfers up to 4 stacks off the dead enemy

you could remove Wildfire from your tree and never notice a difference

[hushed egret]

I didnt know it had those limitations

so yeah that's terrible

[long wharf]

yep

it's a noob trap

sounds good on paper, hidden mechanics make it a noob trap

[hot zephyr]

This is why we have the Atheneum, there's a LOT of hidden mechanics that Pygex and many others spent many hours testing and confirming.

[hushed egret]

it's a trap for anyone who doesnt go through the effort of testing it through meat grinder to that fine a detail because that's hard as hell to test

[strong gulch]

also 4 stacks total. Not per target.

[long wharf]

that's why we test 🙂

and that's why we know all this stuff, because we've done so much testing and digging through code

the regulars in this channel know more about how the game works than the other channels, easily

[hushed egret]

I dont have mods to test everything possible, mostly just damage numbers and some behaviors

[long wharf]

as is appropriate for psykers

we know how things really are

[hot zephyr]

That's because we are incomparable minds sibling

[long wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-fancy-driving-car-ride-gif-16720268

[dawn spoke]

does helbore feel anything like voidstrike staff

[ornate hamlet]

In the loosest sense, I suppose

[dawn spoke]

I guess I'll just have to try it

[ornate hamlet]

It has a radically smaller hitbox, has to reload, has an useful melee attack

[long wharf]

no, not at all

[hushed egret]

if helbore could pierce and explode kinda

even then the feel is completely different, but in function there's some decent grounds for comparison

[haughty star]

I'm getting so fucking frustrated with this game

i've been playing for about 100 hours no and have literally no damnation/auric quality weapons

[weak widget]

why do I find voidstrike so boring and basic

[haughty star]

i have one and its a god damn rashad for my stupid psyker and i fucking hate axes

[long wharf]

gotta keep pulling the slot-machine lever

[hushed egret]

dont need perfect weapons to be ready for damantion and auric

[long wharf]

because it is

[weak widget]

trauma fulfills my control mage fantasy, bouncing fat enemies like they're nothing under the might of my powers

meanwhile voidstrike is just a glorified gun

[haughty star]

im not looking for perfect i'm looking for just something with fucking synergy

[long wharf]

void is a railgun

with limited cleave

[haughty star]

all i get is trash starting to think game is just trash lol

[long wharf]

Darktide is not a game of fast gear progression, sorry

[haughty star]

yes but i have

not one

damnation quality weapon lol

not one

[weak widget]

it's not that hard to get very decent gear, you don't even need synergy for the highest diff

[haughty star]

dumb

yeah yeah you're all god and i suck at this game i get it

[hushed egret]

I get the feeling you havent been tryong very hard for weapons

spend enough resources, which you should probably have if you dont have an "auric" weapon, and you'll get a good weapon

[spice veldt]

the thing is that you'll be rarely swapping off of purg and 4 stacks is pretty nothingburgers for purg

[hushed egret]

takes like 10 mins if you have enough resources

[hushed egret]

I didnt know the limitations

[spice veldt]

o

yeah it's a shame

[brisk grove]

why do i do this to myself?

[spice veldt]

you can do this little piece of tech https://streamable.com/pxqay1

[haughty star]

i have no resources

[spice veldt]

basically, if you're sprinting, and the angle of your camera is sufficiently perpendicular to the ranged enemy, you'll get i-frames

[haughty star]

i spend all my resources on this trash ass lottery system to get bad weapons

[spice veldt]

either that or I sprint slide and that usually also works out well

get close enough and then rely on dodge spamming and empathic evasion to flame them down

[final bison]

Thank you

Honestly I dont think I can pull this off

Motor restrictions and panick factors

But thanks

[spice veldt]

yeah a neat thing to keep in the back of your mind

i basically forget about this tech unless it feels like a ranged patrol is going to be annoying to fight and then i bring out the cheese

[final bison]

So this is my current Purgatus build

Please critique it. Apparently I have been wrong with wildfire, might be wrong with orher things too

Things to keep in mind:

I will not swap Shield for Vent. I love Vent, but I do Pub games only and I DIE without it

My gear/build is Crit oriented. Please keep that in mind

No run and gun. More of a RMB person

If you don’t understand the perks ask, but basically curios are one sniper and 2 gunners. Others you can infer by reading

@hot zephyr @long wharf @spice veldt

Also

I do not know how to Cancel/Assail

[hot zephyr]

The two reasons I see you might feel very squishy without the shield is lack of soustealer and no empathic evasion. Soustealer gives a huge amount of instant toughness and empathic evasion straight up makes you immune to ranged attacks entirely if you're critting frequently. This may be why you feel you need the bubble shield.

[tulip kettle]

youre also running deflector

which is good

you could put vent out

block the gunners with your deflector then when peril is high shout at them for shooting you

[hot zephyr]

Most of your toughness replacement in your build is trickle over time based with warp essence. soulstealer provides the same toughness replacement in large instant chunks, rather than just refreshing your trickles on kill

Soulstealer also triggers on every single warp damage kill. This includes both direct damage from LMB/RMB as well as the soulblaze dot

Tldr, you are missing an incredibly key talent and you should pickup soulstealer immediately with the talent point from wildfire

[haughty star]

what other perk aside from maniac on rashad mkii

[hot zephyr]

Flak if your going the standard brutal momentum + decimator/headtaker build.

[haughty star]

oh damn i just got one with thunderous and all or nothing both grade four

it's got good stats too

[hot zephyr]

Lucky, I haven't got a thunderous one yet.

[haughty star]

as it's on my psyker im not so sure im lucky lol i haven't really fucked with axes yet

[zinc gorge]

Is it just me or are a lot of the psyker cosmetics space suits and toilet seats?

[haughty star]

can i take thunderous off and put it on something beefy with melee like say my zealot?

alll or nothing seems okay basically the first thing you hit gonna get smoked lol

40 percent power with depleted stamina scaling

[hot zephyr]

Equip your purgatus and thunderous axe. Go to the psykanium, burnate the crusher and be sad at your bad damage. Then pull out your thunderous axe and learn that soulblaze will apply thunderous stacks and weep for joy while the crusher insta-dies.

It's called the fireman build. Burn things then show them your axe and they lose the will to live.

[haughty star]

okay that actually sounds kinda funny

what other than maniac or should i keep 8 percent specialist and switch all or nothing

all or nothing don't seem bad it just a insta gimme damage for anything you sprint up to

[haughty star]

flak armor and maniac than?

or unyielding for one tapping the muties/bossing

wait does smite proc it??

[hot zephyr]

I personally run unyielding + maniac for muties and boss damage, but I specifically take that because I pair with a purgatus.

[final bison]

I will try soul stealer

[hot zephyr]

No because you need the axe to be your active weapon. Smite your active weapon is the blitz

[final bison]

Empathic evasion never seemed to work for me

[hot zephyr]

Does your purgatus have warp Nexus blessing?

[final bison]

This is a great idea

But i honestly feel blocking isnt as good as it should be

Or i just auck at it

I cant even see the screen and walk slowly

[final bison]

Yes lv 3 and lv4 flurry

[hot zephyr]

Hmmm. Should work just fine then if you're keeping your peril up

[final bison]

I just not noticed any improvement in my survivability in Damnation

I crit very dequently

Once i rmb shit out

Frequently

[hot zephyr]

Not sure what to say. EE is a very very good talent if you are crit focused. Sometimes you get a big crit string and just walk through a shotgunner pack without a scratch on you.

[final bison]

i specced evasion and aoul stealer now

Using wildfire and quietude points

Following your advices

[hot zephyr]

It's hard to notice what it's doing tho because it's usually proccing when combat is most intense

[final bison]

Now 2 questions

With soul stealer its ok for me to swap Essence Collect for Inmer Tranquility?

And

What is the best SWAP startegy for benefitting purgatus with my Deimos Uncanny 4 stack special- use deimoa then swap purgatus to fire lmb - or use rmb purgatus then swap deimos

[hot zephyr]

Yes I strongly recommend inner tranq over warp essence. Definitely make that swap

I can't give force sword related advice as I don't run force swords of any kind right now. I'm a combat axe and combat knife enjoyer

[magic hull]

I do better with knife v purgatus run

usually because it gets me out of sticky sittuation in auric damnation

[wanton lagoon]

can you change r keybinding to something else or not possible?

[fair spruce]

frens

I have an assertion to make

if you could click over to ogryn chat and peruse the last couple pages

[hexed geyser]

Yes

[hushed egret]

there are no "pages" on Discord

[meager trail]

finally didnt get hoe'd

[rocky raven]

oh hell yea

[rocky raven]

id swap the blessings to uncanny/executor for the mega spec but this is spicy

[hushed egret]

that's warp siphons peril generation reduction vs toughnes regen right?

cause with a fire staff I'd take the toughness personally

not a lot of peril gen

[lethal lagoon]

Fire staff generates like no peril yeah.

Might even be a problem if you have inner tranq

And need peril for stuff

[hushed egret]

like warp rider/nexus

if you even grab them

[lethal lagoon]

Fight might be over by the time you get to 80% peril 😆

[hushed egret]

I mean it's still solid if you dont grab battle meditation, but fire staff and battle med synergize so well together

still some reason to combine fire staff with less peril gen, like if your blitz is smite you can get longer smites with less quelling beforehand which is great

[shut shoal]

imagine having to quell, surge staff superiority

[hushed egret]

what

surge staff is the most peril hungry staff lmao

[shut shoal]

purg not surg

its late

[hushed egret]

oh ye

but that's what we were saying

[shut shoal]

i was agreeing yes

[hushed egret]

[noble copper]

melk's has this one on sale now 🤔 apparently its worse than the other force swords, but maybe it gets buffed

[rotund fable]

This popped up in Melks, good starting point or bad? (i dont normally use trauma staff, but want to give it a shot).

[noble copper]

i would get it and try to luck out warp flurry for it

[rotund fable]

this also popped up in Melks...

[noble copper]

ah actually not sure, because the rending is only t3

[stone canyon]

Shame it has 3 slots already ruined with those stats

[plush oak]

Unfortunate quell speed roll. If u wanna blaze trauma its very important to have high roll there, dump stat is usually warp res

[rocky raven]

^yeah this.
could gamble for a std rend/flurry version and hope you roll blessing well maybe

i wouldnt waste melkbux tho imo

[rocky raven]

this could be made workable. not optimal but good enough

[plush oak]

Yea low warp res on surge is kinda iffy, gonna be quelling a LOT

And by iffy i mean absolutely necesary lmao

[lethal lagoon]

I've run one with 40ish warp resist before. If you are too lazy to peril edge, it's actually pretty nice, cause % wise you are in the strike zones more often.

Nowdays, peril edging is largely muscle memory, but I can see it working for someone new.

plus more peril for quietude.

Even makes warp exp more viable.

[plush oak]

Im runnin 49 warp rez on my trauma which isnt bad, but then again im only 200h deep into the game. Still got lots to learn

[rocky raven]

maxed quell speed over warp res any day; the stat variance is massive in the potential gains even in the last 5-10 pts

[glossy solstice]

hit page up / down and tell me that.

[tame venture]

i'm having a dumb moment, how are people getting weapon cards like this?

[lethal lagoon]

store app

[rocky raven]

shop monitor webapp

[glossy solstice]

Its me staring at my peril and collecting my other alerts right around that peril meter.

[rocky raven]

@tame venture
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1000s5t/formally_announcing_the_armoury_exchange/
firefox/chrome addon for browser

[tame venture]

neat

i feel like this would just fuel my compulsive gambling urge

i already get severe FOMO on not completing all melk missions on all characters

[stone canyon]

Its easy way to grab workable bases so you dont have to buy greys and gamble that way from Brunts

So if anything, i think it lessens gambling and money spending

Right now i got 10-20 good starts (370+) for various weapons that ive picked from shop this way in past couple weeks

Just dont have enough materials to see where they go yet

[steel sluice]

Gunpsyker be like

[plush oak]

Me whipping out the columnus

[austere warren]

Gun wizard. Yes.

It's been funny as hell getting wiped out by ranged enemies when I fuck up hard enough without a backup plan lately.

"Oh. I'm the wizard and they all had guns. Ah."

[stone canyon]

Was getting really excited until saw that Warp Resistance

[upper sun]

i loved lasguns so much

zero recoil so easy to use its like playing a point and click

[plush oak]

Not bad at all, im using a very simmilar one but it has 49 warp rez and its very usable

[plush oak]

Beautiful 🥰

[tulip kettle]

yeah shame its on my fking zealot!

[plush oak]

Yea i got a god roll 380 recon lazgun on my psyker instead of my vet 😭😭😭

[timid flicker]

heard you like dodging

[tulip kettle]

destroy it for precog honestly

[timid flicker]

yeah this is what i get for doing damnation (it was purple)

[midnight epoch]

is this a viable combat blade blessing combo for psyker?

maybe uncanny instead of lacerate?

[timid flicker]

would say drop mercy for something else

wait

[vestal fulcrum]

But then you will have Mercy Killer, which will be useless if there’s no other sources of bleed on the team/or you will have no other means of applying the bleed when you need to kill something big

[timid flicker]

yeah that is good combo i am just the big dumb

[midnight epoch]

oh hmm, yeah I guess it's not like I have the zealot bleed talent on psyker

[vestal fulcrum]

I’d say you can do one of:

• replace MK with Uncanny, change the Crit perk,
• replace both perks,

[rocky raven]

best bet imo would be uncanny + precognition or executor, & farm for a better roll perkwise

[hushed egret]

I'm on mobile

[glossy solstice]

Ahh, well, that was what I imagined they meant. Cheers!

[hushed egret]

[hexed geyser]

Did people just replied to a comment from 9h ago?

[unkempt marlin]

Any brain burst build? Doing penances and I gotta kill stuff with it

[hexed geyser]

Because i remember seeing that before going to sleep

[hexed geyser]

I did all mine in like 3 hours with bb/voidstrike and venting shriek, it went pretty smooth. But honestly just take the staff you're most comfortable with and play like you didn't have blitz except for when you spam bb for the penances

[frail pewter]

how are you guys playing blaze trauma and do damage?

I don't 😔

[unkempt marlin]

Alright, sounds good

For the purpose of the penance, "specials and elites" are enemies such as the shotgunner, sniper, trapper, etc, right?

[hexed geyser]

Everything that make your name pop up on top of the screen. So yes

[unkempt marlin]

Alright

[hushed egret]

I was called. I must answer

[hexed geyser]

Specials are everything that want to make your life harder, they spawn in front or behind you during the mission
Elites are everything that want to kill you really fast, they are already on the map

[hexed geyser]

Me learning i'm still in a discord server i didn't see in two month

[hushed egret]

elites are basically upgraded basic enemies. hit harder in tougher armor. (ragers, shotgunners, those full auto fuckers, crushers, maulers). specialists are unique enemies that do unique things (everything else)

[rare arrow]

If someone tags me I’ll reply the next time I’m on. I always check my tags

[hushed egret]

mhm

[rare arrow]

It may be after I wake up or work lol, but I’ll check it for sure

[glossy solstice]

Sure, so long as you use the reply option the person will get the notification.

Specials are disablers and DPS specials: Gunner, Tox flamer, bomber.

[plucky flax]

Nearly as much warpfire damage as the purga psyker pog

[frail pewter]

Gunners are elites and not specials though

[dusk sierra]

thinking of swapping crit for flak, anything else y'all would recommend? Pulling my psyker out of the drawer for the first time in a while so catching up on what's what

[glossy solstice]

Trying to find the post I read that broke down the scoreboard plugin. I might be mis-remembering but I could swear gunners show up as dps specials.

[frail pewter]

Ah if it's a bug for scoreboard plugin then yeah maybe
But in game Gunners are elites

[glossy solstice]

I am prob mis-remembering.

You knwo what, I must have been thinking sniper. https://darktide.gameslantern.com/enemies?type=SPECIALIST

[ornate hamlet]

what rolls should i aim for on a voidstrike staff?

[rare arrow]

Blessing: warp nexus and warp flurry/surge

Perk: carapace+maniac/crit chance

Though flak and unyielding have merit in perks too. Can’t really go wrong in that department

[ornate hamlet]

can i eat the voidstrike staff?

[rare arrow]

Eat?

[ornate hamlet]

yea like

for lunch

[rare arrow]

Is that all with venting?

[plucky flax]

And combustion.

[rare arrow]

From surging an elite v

Or I guess just killing elites in general

[unkempt marlin]

Brain burst is so boring compared to smite or assail :(
Doing the 200 brain burst penance after months of forgetting about that bb was even a thing lol

[split oxide]

So many psykers:

1. accidentally 'pop'
2. overly conservative/cautious with Peril (underperform)
   Vent allows you to SPAM void-nuke a cluster of crushers - Vent - finish them off before they down your team.
   (I don't use Vent anymore, tho')

[rare arrow]

BB is the worst if you want to just spam your blitz

But I enjoy BB a lot on the right build

Which is exactly 1 build that I’ve found lol

[rare arrow]

Vent with creeping flames is trong

I use it on 3 or so of my builds

[split oxide]

strong. ... For Horde.

1. but I have Illisi and teammates for that.

[rare arrow]

For a long of things

The only things it doesn’t deal with are crushers and bosses

[rare arrow]

I don’t ever use a build where the answer to a problem is “teammates”

[ornate hamlet]

hows this look

[rare arrow]

Psykers have too much utility to not bring an answer to everything

[rare arrow]

Looks great, will definitely not be the reason you fail a mission

[split oxide]

spot the Stealth/Shroudfield/Knife/Gunker.

[ornate hamlet]

this weapon will be the reason i fail a mission

[rare arrow]

I don’t use Shroudfield on zealot and don’t play gunker

[rare arrow]

You wil l be the reason, not that weapon. 🙂

[ornate hamlet]

we will be the reason

[rare arrow]

I’ve always used CTW on zealot

[ornate hamlet]

together

[digital narwhal]

?

(I have been summoned)

[rare arrow]

He’s saying cause not a team player

[split oxide]

(Void/Illisi/Smite/Dome): I can complete Heresy, just on Illisi/Smite/Dome

[digital narwhal]

Ahhhhh that's what he means lmao

Why does Stealth, Knife, or Gun Psyker immediately mean "Not a team player?"

[tawny jetty]

If you can deal with any threat, then you're a good teammate.

[digital narwhal]

Hoenstly, imo, kind of telling on yourself with that mentality

[rare arrow]

I mentioned I don’t take builds that Rely on teammates and that was the response

[digital narwhal]

Ye, which is weird

[ionic sorrel]

Stealth is so good for a clutch and just general rez.

[rare arrow]

So I assumed that was what they were i@plying

[digital narwhal]

Seems like the only sane implication, since what tf else could it mean?

[rare arrow]

Lol

[tired estuary]

Some people really hate on stealth esp for vets b/c "shout so busted"

[rare arrow]

Idc what you bring to the mission

[tired estuary]

but yeah it can pull clutch saves from absolute bullshit if its played properly

[rare arrow]

As long as your skill dictates you should be in my mission type lol

If you’re used to heresy don’t queue aurich Damnation

[digital narwhal]

Team players are team players.

Doesn't matter what they use.

(Unless it's an objectively garbage build without the skill to back it up)

(But that's besides the point)

[split oxide]

Teamplayer don't steal kills/chase-green-circles.

[rare arrow]

Steal kills? Tf is that?

[digital narwhal]

Yeah but what does "spot the Stealth/Shroudfield/Knife/Gunker." mean?

Why was that your response to "I don't want to rely on other people to do stuff for me"?

[tulip kettle]

idk its so annoying when im playing zealot and the veteran is shooting at the trash and ragers im healing off of instead of the gunners that are shooting me to death

[split oxide]

When a psyker is Purging, there's the team mate out in the edge, taking the last blow before they burn.

[ionic sorrel]

When I hear a trapper shoot, I'm ready to un net. I feel that's the bar.

[digital narwhal]

Crazy thought, maybe they maintian Toughness in melee and are using it to stay alive

[rare arrow]

Why does that matter?

[split oxide]

green circle chasing.
instead of covering positions/angles, they look to 'take the last blow'

[tired estuary]

I mean sometimes it's either that or stand around with your thumb up your ass

[digital narwhal]

So collaberation immediately means they're a green circle chaser?

Get off your high horse, asshat

[paper lily]

no ones gonna care who got the frag anyway

[digital narwhal]

Some people maintain Toughness in melee.
Maybe they're feeling threatened by melee enemies and try to take care of them too.

[tired estuary]

I think the aforementioned "ignoring gunners to shoot at trash" is more commonly problematic

[paper lily]

wow he did 1 dmg to a trashmob and got a circle for it crazy

[rare arrow]

Why would you look at kills and not damage?

[split oxide]

That's how you justify it in your own head - sure.

[digital narwhal]

Don't assume people are kill chasers lmao

[digital narwhal]

And you're assuming everyone is a kill chaser if they don't immediately turn away from something.

[dim parrot]

siblings, calm down, lets just sip on sum magic potions together and chill out🍃

[digital narwhal]

And yeah lmao

Damage > Kills

[dawn spoke]

I kind of get the impression that some people think that charged purge into a crowd of poxwalkers won't kill the poxwalkers

[rare arrow]

The only metric is “did you win”

Anything else is coping with a loss

[ornate hamlet]

Talk about booty hole

[rare arrow]

What difficulty do you play primarily?

[digital narwhal]

Nah that's pretty good

Damage is the dump stat

[rare arrow]

Scoreboard is to improve build, but metric that matters is wins

[digital narwhal]

Go consecrate, man

[split oxide]

Vanilla Damn.

[digital narwhal]

lmao

[rare arrow]

Was just curious cause you mentioned heresy

[ornate hamlet]

@digital narwhal My current one

[paper lily]

those people are definitely just shooting whatever is left in ur example then

[digital narwhal]

New one can be better

[split oxide]

Malice/Heresy is when I'm book hunting contracts.

[digital narwhal]

Consecrate and see what ya get

[ornate hamlet]

Do I feel like doing Aurics..

[digital narwhal]

In base Damnation, there isn't enough threat for people to all be doing something different 24/7.
Sounds like you have your head up your ass and assuming people are just green circle chasers.

[ornate hamlet]

A lights out too, NICE

[split oxide]

I do maelstrom too, but I have to reboot my pc afterwards - otherwise it lags during hordespawns.

[ornate hamlet]

Sucks for you, I just do them back to back xD

[split oxide]

I'm not doing challenges, I'm grinding for blessings and penances.

[digital narwhal]

What does that have to do with anything?

[split oxide]

It just sounded like it was a d-measuring contest with what challenge-rating missions you normally do.

• I was cllling out non-teamplay behaviour.
• And you were dismissing it cos I grind at auric.

[dusk sierra]

trying out surge with BB/DD, feels pretty damn good, I was able to keep a lot of stacks up and crit away a bunch of stuff, haven't tried DD before but it doesn't feel too bad?

[paper lily]

no people wanted context to your experience about circle chasing whatevers

[digital narwhal]

No, your point was about kill chasers, and since base Damnation doesn't have enough threat for everyone else to be doing something else, I'm making the point that it can't be helped.

Are they just gonna sit there and let you handle the horde alone?