psyker-class

[plush oak]

yea i use surge and blaze trauma mostly

[tulip kettle]

if you using a gun on psyker theres no real reason not to columnus

[plush oak]

and ofc columnus on the gunker

[tulip kettle]

you dont need +flak on laspistols

[rare arrow]

Surge deals with any 2-3 enemies well

[tulip kettle]

and stability is kind of important

[orchid shadow]

You should have Flurry. You're almost always chaining your surges. Besides, our only other T4 option besids Nexus is.. Ugh. Terrifying Barrage.

[tulip kettle]

can you not get surge on surge?

[plush oak]

yea terrifying barage is dumb

[umbral helm]

I have a setup for pretty much anything, so it's "what am I in the mood for"

[plush oak]

i only got the 3 atm, surge / blaze trauma / columnus

[tulip kettle]

laspistols are just suboptimal, stability is important and the blessings arent great

[midnight jolt]

why do I find other classes un-interesting? I have to almost force myself to do Zealot weaklies 😂

[plush oak]

i got the purg one too but i dont have 80 burn on it unfortunately

[tulip kettle]

i think purg is still FINE with 76 or above on burn

[umbral helm]

yeah, 76 is minimum. not sure what benefit anything above has, if any

[tulip kettle]

well its weird right

because pyg's guide says it only needs 7

76*

but i had one with 77 and it only could hit 14 burn stacks

but my one with 80 burn hits 15 max stacks

and every point of burn scales because it speeds up DoT application too

[orchid shadow]

Nope. Surge blessing pool for T4, for good and for bad, is incredibly small.

[midnight epoch]

is this salvagable or bricked for psyker

[tulip kettle]

fair enough, like i say i hate surge

[midnight epoch]

woops wrong weapon

[tulip kettle]

haha myst was gonna say

trolling

[umbral helm]

they should add surge to surge so that people can be even more confused which staves we're talking about when they join the conversation midway

[tulip kettle]

i think its fine right? you can change ranged crit dmg to +carapace

[midnight epoch]

missing hand cannon and probably surgical, not sure which blessing to keep

[tulip kettle]

i didnt use revolver on psyker much only zealot a lot

and that was when crucian was the only blessing toi take 😉

trickshooter seems good though?

power always scales well

[midnight epoch]

hmm I guess that is fine, yeah this may work thanks

[stray warren]

So what is the lore explanation for Psykers all dressing like Project Runway models that have fallen through toilet seats?

[tulip kettle]

if you get carapace on it and then whatever will give you the best crit chance for the blessing im sure

[tulip kettle]

our beloved makes us fabulous

[umbral helm]

the collars are like safety gear, more or less

[orchid shadow]

I refuse to buy those, they make me look like a circus attraction. I'm still rocking the level 1 green prison clothes. Plus I get to see people immediately quit as soon as I join an Auric.

[midnight jolt]

Give me a witch hunter set 😂

[haughty star]

I'd prefer surgical but that's fucking poggers man

Which char is that on?

Oh psyker I spose lmao

[midnight epoch]

yeah psyker

[haughty star]

That's pretty poggers

I've got probably 80 hours in game and all 4 chars leveled and still no like actually optimized weapons for auric n shit

[tulip kettle]

HAVE THEY BROKEN MODS TODAY?

[steep estuary]

OOH a +17% toughness curio

[plush oak]

[plush oak]

im 200h deep and dont have perfect weapons either

[haughty star]

Hadrin will fuck yoi over

[plush oak]

nah its another brunt banger

aint buing that shit lmao

[haughty star]

Brunt has some pretty pog shit sometimes

[plush oak]

ikr

mans cooking back there

[mossy surge]

I'm 1400+ hours and I still don't have a perfect weapon

[plush oak]

average darktide experience

[plucky flax]

I have 1 very close to perfect.

That's about it.

[mossy surge]

I want the damn red tier weapon already

[rare arrow]

Idk why people are so fixated on ‘perfect’weapons.

[mossy surge]

1400+ hours, need some way to keep my sanity

[plucky flax]

A good blaze trauma is so much better than a meh one.

[hushed egret]

tbh mobility is really good on rapiers

that sprint speed is addicting

[hushed egret]

it's really the only progression left after you've made it to level 30

[ionic needle]

After almost 700 hours without any perfect weapons I can say that's not the case

[hushed egret]

which is really to be expected, and completely fine, but still

[ionic needle]

The endgame is to have fun and get better

[hushed egret]

well that's internal personal progression. the game can facilitate that, but it isnt a game provided objective

[ionic needle]

Neither is getting perfect weapons

[hushed egret]

from the game itself? all that's left is upgrading gear

now I'm a big fan of just playing to have fun and/or get better, meet new people, etc, but some people rely more on tangible progression to give them a purpose

[ornate hamlet]

is there a way to reuce

reduce the charge time for the voidstrike staff

[hushed egret]

to what?

[ornate hamlet]

reduce it

[hushed egret]

the charge rate stat (changes so little it doesnt matter that much) and warp flurry blessing

[ornate hamlet]

to something less

is warpflurry a talnet?

[ionic needle]

It's a blessing

[ornate hamlet]

oh blessing

[hushed egret]

ye

[ornate hamlet]

ok ill take a look thanks

[hushed egret]

it's 8.5% less charge rate per secondary attack for a few seconds per stack up to 3 stacks, for the level 4 version

I think level 1 is 5.5% per iirc

[warped meadow]

for serial killer (kill 20 consecutive enemies with headshots), does brain burst count as a headshot?

[ornate hamlet]

tf so i sacrifised an item

[quick python]

use a voidstrike

[ornate hamlet]

with warp flurry

but when i attempt to rebless my staff

i dont see it

[mental rock]

Yes brainburst works

[ornate hamlet]

all i see is ? marks

on blessing

[mental rock]

Last I checked anyway

[warped meadow]

I'll have to give it a try. I'm at 17/20 on it, dunno when I got that far

[ornate hamlet]

yeah i keep sacrificing warp flurry but dont see it as an option to rebless

bug?

[mental rock]

Different staves, different warp flurry

[ornate hamlet]

ahhhhhhhhh foooook

so i need to buy stavves till i get one with the perk?

buy staffs and bless them i mean

[midnight jolt]

Need your input on how to get THE DS, I have the one on the left, currently using it, and the one on the right,
ideally I want to move Shred 4 to the right or Uncanny Strike to the left, advices appricated 😉

[mental rock]

Each staff has unique blessing pool from the other staves

I would earn uncanny and put it in the left

[mossy surge]

Dont

[midnight jolt]

what about the better modifiers + 4% crit chance on the right?

[mossy surge]

Switch CRIT to flak

Riposte to the other dodge one

IV don't need the cleave

[mental rock]

Well sure but then he doesn't get the uncanny earned

[midnight jolt]

I'm thinking shred to right and caparace to maniacs

[mossy surge]

He can use the sword

[mental rock]

Nah 4% Crit isn't that good

[mossy surge]

Don't ruin it

[mental rock]

Yeah I realize he can use that sword but I'd still want the blessing

[midnight jolt]

I'm not losing uncanny strike 4 nor shred 4, that's a no no

[mossy surge]

Does he have a better sword than that?

[harsh urchin]

the important stats on ds is carapace and uncanny

[midnight jolt]

I only have these 2 swords

[mossy surge]

If you made him earn it just for that

[harsh urchin]

you can change 4% chc into unyielding/maniac and riposte into shred

on the 2nd one

is what i suggest

[midnight jolt]

so shred replaces riposte and maniacs replaces 4% crit?

[harsh urchin]

unyielding if you want more boss dmg, maniac if you're struggling against mutants

yes

[plush oak]

oh yeah, when u combine it with scriers gaze 20% move speed and the DD 20% move speed on kill u start ZOOMING

[mossy surge]

Did you know

That you can do the same moveset as the knife with rapier

[midnight jolt]

but neither mobility nor cleave are that important on DS4 right? the other 3 modifiers are almost perfect

[plush oak]

yea

charge heavy while sliding

and ZOOM

[mossy surge]

[plush oak]

extremely fun

till u get into a pack of 6 bulwarks

then i start missing my trauma staff

lmfao

[mossy surge]

Takes out trauma

[plush oak]

exactly 💀 😭

[mossy surge]

And resume zoomies

[plush oak]

i mostly run columnus with my mk4

[mossy surge]

Go replace precognition on riposte

[plush oak]

on trauma i run this

which does big damage

like 500+ per light hit 💀

weakspot

but still

[umbral helm]

reading about trauma staff reminds me, I've made the joke a few times now when I've been using trauma with friends about "I'm using my trauma. which I've got plenty of, that's for sure "

[plush oak]

my trauma is incinerating

[midnight jolt]

one day, I shall beat you with my perfect god rolls luck 😉

[plush oak]

thats exactly what i wish for you sibling

we must purge the unclean in the name of The Emperor

[midnight jolt]

2 more to go

[plush oak]

nice

[midnight jolt]

my purgatus is my favorite

[plush oak]

i still dont have uncanny strike 💀

[plush oak]

it for sure is very fun to use

id say my fav is this

my fav staff that is

cuz my fav build is columnus gunker with scriers and DD

just intoxicatingly fun

[stone canyon]

Any Psykers intersted in doing the Custom Game Penance thing? (can obviously try to do other ones too while at it)

[midnight jolt]

Blazing, the dream

weekdays I feel like I'm not at my 100% because game after work, but can certainly do the custom penance on the weekend

I don't have it

in the meantime is good that I do all other penances to practice my brain bursts, knowledge etc

[mossy surge]

Which do you need?

[stone canyon]

Brainburst 90% of monstrosity in custom heresy (or above) game

[midnight jolt]

I think that penance was designed so we can vent out our psychopathy, it helps us talk to other people, probably designed by a theraphist

[stone canyon]

Sadistic therapist who smiles inwards while listening your agony

[mossy surge]

Can be done on monster modifier

So you just need to kill a 10k hp monster

[stone canyon]

Oh! Well that is a game changer

[midnight jolt]

I will certainly do that with someone else leading and that knows what I need more than me 😂

[umbral helm]

definitely more reasonable, but I remember when it had to be all of its health, and maelstroms weren't around

[stone canyon]

I can use the mission mod to save maelstorm?

Works, now just gotta wait for one

[midnight jolt]

heresy or higher, don't forget that

[stone canyon]

Yeah, that one didnt have the modifier either

[mossy surge]

i got a code

[mossy surge]

dm-ed the map code

[stone canyon]

Ok ill quick check how that worked again

🙏

[midnight jolt]

why none of the quick play mission is a repair one? ever done a single one, for the different mission types penance

[hushed egret]

repair and investigation dont have many missions linked to them

investigation specifically literally only has one, I think repair has two

[orchid nest]

@stone canyon check your dms in a sec from me

[vestal fulcrum]

Both have only one

Hab Dreyko and Power Matrix

[hushed egret]

[midnight jolt]

so is a matter of time, until 100 missions I'll just do heresy, I'm fine with damnation but to trigger the luck dice more often will stay on heresy

57/100 atm

[hushed egret]

btw, the investigation mission is one of the hardest in the game

[midnight jolt]

I got it done already, I need the repair one done

[hushed egret]

not sure why it is but my god is it just a challenging setup

[eager mantle]

Fuck hab dreyko. All my homies hate hab dreyko

[final bison]

Good evening

Does RUN AND GUN bless allows for Run and Deflect?

[mossy surge]

need help?

[stone canyon]

Yes but someone already helping me do custom game zealot atm

[hushed egret]

I only find that mod good for flame staff personally

you cant charge while running but you can primary, and flame primary is very happy with running

I use it to run down gunners regularly

[mossy surge]

[hushed egret]

decent with other staff primary's if you can aim well while sprinting, which isnt something I can do so

[final bison]

Is there any mod that helps you perform melee combos?

Something like macro or autoclick

Like

Deimos sword Light into Heavy Thrust

Anyone here knows how to build a FLAME ILISI?

I rolled a near perfect one

I have no idea how to playstyle it

[ornate hamlet]

Flame illisi is ass and strongly not recommended, but you can put shred or bloodthirsty on it and still try to roll with it

Melee combos are just practice, since it doesn't get harder than looping a light and a heavy or doing a block cancel

[eager mantle]

Blaze on swords is bad because most things are gonna die to crit anyways and the spread from wildfire is ass when you actually get it.

[final bison]

I dont want to sell that sword and it bricked for a Ilisi normal

[ornate hamlet]

Then try what I mentioned

[final bison]

Bloodthristy or shred?

What is the difference in the playstyle?

[orchid nest]

bloodthirsty will only crit with chaining specials but will be guaranteed, shred will work with lights/heavy/special but a lesser amount

[final bison]

Chaining apecials?

[orchid nest]

after you kill something using weapon special it makes the next hit a crit. maybe worded better there

[ornate hamlet]

what do thresholds means

[final bison]

Can I save this into a normal illisi?

Unfortunately with deflector + slaughterer (instead of slaughterer + uncanny)

The perks on it are 2 vigor and 20% unarmored

[final bison]

Any other hit? Not necessarily another special?

[ornate hamlet]

does this mean i need to kill 160k enemies to reach 4th threshold?

[livid bison]

Lol if only

[orchid nest]

yeah any hit I believe but the value you get from it will be leading into another weapon special so you can keep chaining the crits

[final bison]

Please help with your opinion

[orchid nest]

deflector/slaughterer is still a valid illisi to use but just different. depends on preference. I would rather have a good deflector illisi in my arsenal than a bad rolled offensive one so I would just change both perks and try on a different one to get the pure offensive version

[final bison]

Which perks?

I need to@change one blessing for slaughterer

So i can keep 2 vigor or keep 20% unarmored

[ornate hamlet]

is that a response to me

[orchid nest]

oh you need to change a blessing, I see

let me look

may as well keep the unarmored I suppose. it could help on extra cleave targets even though it's not ideal

[final bison]

People said vigor was good for psyker

But someone said it is beat to not lose a curio for it

[livid bison]

Yes

[final bison]

Because unless youre a pro health and tough will help tou more

[orchid nest]

it's good with kinetic deflection yeah

[livid bison]

Tier 4 of that is 500k kills

[ornate hamlet]

fuckk

[livid bison]

T5 is 1 mill

[ornate hamlet]

its jover

[livid bison]

Just play truma staff

[final bison]

So

Keep vigorously or unarmored in light of this information?

[livid bison]

Average 1k kills a game

Its what i did

[orchid nest]

that's going to be a personal choice whether you are fine with giving up a perk for stam on every single weapon, can handle a stam curio, or go without one. all those options are fine

[haughty star]

Unstable is pretty much guaranteed

Fairly small bonus compared to the almighty slaughter but it's consistent and power is multiplicative from my understanding

[orchid nest]

I was just explaining the differences in that message that had already been presented at that point rather than recommending one there

[haughty star]

Oh my bad :<

[orchid nest]

np at all

but yeah unstable is good

[final bison]

@orchid nest so what perk to put to go besides unarmored?

Flak? Maniac?

[haughty star]

Maniac

[orchid nest]

one of those two or infested is a specialist option. I would personally stick with flak or maniac though

[haughty star]

It don't quite have enough power to be trusted without maniac damage for mixed maulers and shit

[orchid nest]

if I had to choose only one I guess I'd go with maniac but they are both good

[final bison]

Ok

Tough decision now

Please help

WHICH OF THESE TWO ILISIS ARE THE BEST?

I have 2 Hadrons and all the blessings inside the bank

Sword 1 came with deflector 3 and dump stat mobility

Sword 2 came with uncanny strike 3 and dump stat Warp Resistance

[orchid nest]

what are the perks on the second one?

[final bison]

Ah and sword 3sword 3 is infeated and flak

[final bison]

Carapace and flak

[orchid nest]

and then infested and flak on the third

alright yeah'

tier 3 flak is fine and so is uncanny 3 so I would go with the second one to have every perk/blessing right

[final bison]

Thank you @orchid nest

These are the 3 ilisis i got I dont wanna waste more plastell on this

[orchid nest]

carapace ->maniac and what looks like shred -> slaughterer

[final bison]

Consider that sword 3 is can have 2 lv 4 blessings if i make my peace with infested and flak perks 3 tier @orchid nest

How better would Maniac be over Infested?

[ornate hamlet]

The difference between uncanny strike 3 and 4 is marginal and they stack to the same cap because rending only goes to 100%

[orchid nest]

it's definitely an option and infested is also an option on illisi for specialist horde clear but having maniac and flak together really does round out the sword against elites/specials

so that will be a preference thing but my preference would be the second one

[plush oak]

brunt cooking with the base rolls rn

[final bison]

Which staff / build would you use with said sword?

Surge?

[plush oak]

too bad its on the damn flashlight

[orchid nest]

but yeah as manurit said, uncanny 3 is not a big deal at all

[rare arrow]

Surge or void with illisi

Illisi already covers your up close horde control

[orchid nest]

yeah it works well with surge

[hushed egret]

trauma too

if you take like brain burst blitz

[final bison]

So why would maniac be good in sword

Am I not supposed to use the surge staff against maniacs?

[echo frigate]

Mutants

Trappers

[zinc phoenix]

No way, you want blessed Deimos with trauma

[echo frigate]

Etc

[orchid nest]

cleaving through mixed hordes with ragers, killing mutants, specials in melee range being cleaved

[rare arrow]

Trauma and illisi cover the same range so a lot of overlap there

[zinc phoenix]

Any chaff that gets near a trauma llama you will obliterate with the jelly bean trauma dance

[rare arrow]

But I suppose it’s fine if you don’t mind the overlap or want to specialize

[hushed egret]

if your blitz is brain burst deimos is unnecessary. if your blitz is smite, you still dont have horde kill to the degree illisi has

[echo frigate]

Now I could be on smth

But BB damage is ass so there's a chance it does less than deimos

Idk if it does

But

[hushed egret]

same for you. trauma is more of a single target damage dealer with horde level cc. illisi is a horde level damage dealer, and also takes no windup unlike trauma so it still has a unique place from trauma

[cinder niche]

Guns are pretty much a no go on this class right? They shove them down our throat so idk if you can make a decent build

[proper osprey]

Me watching my siblings create the most awful weapon in existence

[ornate hamlet]

BB has a role against bulwarks

With deimos you have to bait the attack and hope the shield hitbox doesn't shit itself

[echo frigate]

Gun psyker is a thing but a very ammo hungry and build specific thing

[ornate hamlet]

And deimos also is at melee range, which means you can't really throw your sword at the gunner

[hushed egret]

BB is amazing, idk what you're smoking. now deimos special might theoretically do more damage, and you can certainly do more to scale its damage than BB, but BB is free and range and lets you move more while casting

[proper osprey]

Gun psyker is easily the most op thing in the game

[ornate hamlet]

Gun psyker isn't necessarily ammo hungry, it's just that the new "gun psyker" became the columnus user

[echo frigate]

BB does less damage than a krak grenade, I like using BB what I'm saying tho is for shits and giggles, deimos may do more damage

[plush oak]

the stricky deimos special is unfortunate, if it would detach faster i think it would be much better

[ornate hamlet]

Before it was the autopistol

[hushed egret]

tbh, I think just anout every melee, staff, blitz, ability, keystone combo has a solid performance if you build to the combinations strengths

[ornate hamlet]

You can use most guns on a psyker and do just fine, since the gun doesn't step on your ability to melee things to save ammo

And you have two blitzes that are damage-oriented

[proper osprey]

Wish assail and bb wasn’t nerfed

[midnight jolt]

Final product, will have to do for a time

[cinder niche]

Yea might play with it not really a massive fan of the staffs might be a hot take but idc 😂😂

[haughty star]

I like using a Columnus on mine for bossing and bb for some bossing and dropping the cheeky distance rager or snipers

[cinder niche]

Assail has been OP af for me personally

[haughty star]

Than I use allyses for damage

[mossy surge]

Don't forget that you can stagger ragers with the special attack

[cinder niche]

That and bubble stomp through everything no sweat

[proper osprey]

After the nerfs? Naw it tickles a horde

[long wharf]

assail is a lot of fun, but it is a really easy crutch for players to avoid learning how to deal with game mechanics

[zinc phoenix]

Smite is awful with trauma, truly awful. Any scenario you’d want smite trauma does it better. What you want Deimos for is stuff that

• you can’t cc with trauma
• is up close where bb is too slow
• peril moment

So stuff like muties or whatever. The Deimos heavy poke is dueling sword good but can come with deflector. great utility stick

[haughty star]

I need to get a good one

[long wharf]

but you're a little more nimble with ds4 compared to deimos

[limpid cypress]

Game mechanics!? In my 40k game? Unacceptable! /j

[long wharf]

better sprint and dodge

[zinc phoenix]

But lose deflector which I find I want surprisingly often with psyker

[long wharf]

frankly, I don't miss it

[proper osprey]

Not anymore after it’s nerf it’s just awful

[long wharf]

you're definitely using it wrong, then

it's not awful at all

it's just not totally OP now

I still bring assail into damnation and do just fine with it

[ornate hamlet]

Assail is still a great blitz

[midnight jolt]

yeah, being doing that to barrage their heads after 😂

[cinder niche]

Never gotten the asail is a crutch thing you need it if you play with randoms

[long wharf]

it's just a primary weapon on damnation

[proper osprey]

Blud uses ep with assail

[long wharf]

EP is the best way to focus on assail

[zinc phoenix]

That works fine

[haughty star]

I like brain rupture

[mossy surge]

[proper osprey]

[long wharf]

but on damnation, I go surge+assail+bubble

[proper osprey]

This

[hushed egret]

smite is great with trauma tf you mean lol. smite does cc better than trauma, hits far more enemies and holds them actually still instead of sending them flying

and •trauma cc's everything short of monstrosities which deimos doesnt cc either
•bb is at least as fast as deimos if not moreso if you're actually building for it
•peril moment

[long wharf]

and assail becomes less used

[orchid nest]

assail is designed to be weaved. if you're just staying on the blitz and throwing them and not benefitting from blessings, perks, and malefic momentum you are losing a ton of damage

[limpid cypress]

Same. Good for purg build for single target damage

[proper osprey]

Purg blows assail out the water lol

[long wharf]

they're different things

purge can't stagger a group of gunners at range

assail will

[haughty star]

It just comes in clutch if you know how to use it timely

[midnight jolt]

I discovered the game forced me to use a specific build to get the brain rapture penances, it works like a charm and it happens to be quite strong

[cinder niche]

BB is weak af for the charge time

[limpid cypress]

For sure. I like being able to just need to peek a little bit with it, and you can do the rest behind cover

[long wharf]

assail doesn't delete a crowd after a certain enemy density

purge doesn't care about enemy density

[ornate hamlet]

I don't like comparing a ranged weapon to a blitz

[proper osprey]

He doesn’t know…..

[ornate hamlet]

They're different tools

[haughty star]

Gunners are not really a threat for gunker

[zinc phoenix]

Why would you tickle a mob of crushers on Auric mael with smite when you could be trauma juggling? Shriek + wc means no empower.

Why would you build for bb? It’s a niche skill for killing specials, not a centerpiece

[hushed egret]

use warp siphon to proc that one bb modifier or use empowered psionics. it's way fast and strong

[midnight jolt]

yeap, he doesn't, like I didn't know until last night

[proper osprey]

Run it with kinetic res and ep

Or Disrupt destiny

[midnight jolt]

and double shield walls

[proper osprey]

Naw son

[zinc phoenix]

BB with kinetic res and ep is ok but not mind blowing at all

[long wharf]

the problem with BB is that it's not meant to be a primary weapon

[cinder niche]

Yea but over Asail idkkk

[long wharf]

all of its characteristics are of a one-off circumstance use

like grenades

that one special getting away

[zinc phoenix]

IMO the points you can spend to boost bb are better spent on other stuff

[cinder niche]

Can literally quad feed gunners in 2 seconds

[long wharf]

popping a troublesome elite from around the corner

[proper osprey]

Bro please don’t tell me you unironically use assail

[hushed egret]

well for one smiting a mob of crishers keeps them from advancing and everything around them, and two increases the damage they take and makes them easier to hit in the head and as a group

also if you build for bb it's a pretty versatile skill

[long wharf]

you have so many tools that deal with multiple enemies at all ranges

BB just isn't a primary tool

[haughty star]

Brain burst is still a good blitz with literally nothing helping it out

[proper osprey]

Ofc it’s not what

[long wharf]

there's nothing "versatile" about BB

[cinder niche]

Yea and I’m not ashamed lol I play with randoms who do the dumbest shit ever

[limpid cypress]

I don’t even boost BB all the time. It kinda serves its purpose without it

[zinc phoenix]

You don’t want to keep things from advancing, you want things to die. If you’re sitting there tickling them with low smite damage when you could be using trauma to kill them in moments you are hurting yourself 🤷‍♀️

[hushed egret]

lemme rephrase. "frequently valueable"

[open pike]

Assail is fine I don't know why you're so slotted into this awful take

[midnight jolt]

I kid you not, see prioritized targets and power up? they were both at 25% last night, after I was enlightened, look where they are:

[proper osprey]

Show me your tree pls I wanna see this

[haughty star]

For gunker it's the blitz imo

[zinc phoenix]

There are valid builds for smite but trauma just doesn’t pair with it

[long wharf]

assail in the hands of someone that uses it expertly is a devastating weapon

[limpid cypress]

Smite is good for surge imo

[orchid nest]

I find it funny that people who never weaved assail correctly think it's terrible now because it does way more damage than it did in its first iteration if you do it right and you just camped on assail before as well

[cinder niche]

Stole this from Asian robot

[proper osprey]

Purg and bb just do it’s job better

[zinc phoenix]

Assail is good but 🤷‍♀️ I don’t like the art 😂

[long wharf]

I don't even weave very well with assail, just proper usage does the job

[proper osprey]

Blud show me the whole tree

[long wharf]

distance, grouping of enemies

[proper osprey]

[long wharf]

knowing what it's good at and aiming to take advantage of how the guidance works

[zinc phoenix]

I also don’t love the assail side of the tree

[proper osprey]

WHAT

[long wharf]

the assail side has the best offensive nodes, though

[hushed egret]

if there's too many things you definitely want to keep thinhs from advancing. hugely important to have solid cc power on auric and maelstroms so you dont get overran in bad areas. trauma cant kill things as fast as smite can keep them from being a threat at all. in fact, the cc power trauma also has that is really good like smites is half the reason trauma is good. you dont take trauma for pure dps my guy

[long wharf]

dodging-on-crit

crit chance

quell without slowing down

[cinder niche]

Don’t got it in one piece watch his video idk 😂😂

[long wharf]

True Aim

[zinc phoenix]

I mean that’s mandatory for everything and you don’t need to path thru assail for it

[proper osprey]

Bro please tell me you’re joking

[ornate hamlet]

I would use BB with kinetic flayer on my IAG psyker if the left tree didn't shaft my build's direction

[proper osprey]

I will say the right said of the tree is amazing

Like actually

[hushed egret]

dodging ranged on crit isnt that crazy and isnt even offensive lol
5% crit chance is laughable
quell without slowing down is overrated af because you can dodge slide while quelling anyways

[haughty star]

I like bb for melee psyker

[long wharf]

the only thing on the left side I really miss is the extra 5% peril resistance

[long wharf]

oh lord, how many games have you actually played?

[hushed egret]

a lot

[proper osprey]

Assail brain is a terrible disease many such cases of it

[zinc phoenix]

If you’re going for a crit heavy game the dodge on crit is amazing. The rest I kinda agree with

[proper osprey]

[long wharf]

if you think automatic dodging ranged attacks for a full second whenever you crit is weak...

[haughty star]

It's nice cuz I got the sword for pushing, Columbus for short and mid range (and pushing the oh shit button when i get overwhelmed), and bb is fine on its own as kind of a long range plucking blitz

[hushed egret]

the dodge on crit can be pretty good but it isnt insane

[long wharf]

sure it is

[proper osprey]

@haughty star l love you soooo much pookie

[zinc phoenix]

Idk man I straight up can ignore gunners

There are a lot of gunners

[proper osprey]

Fr

[long wharf]

it means I can charge ranged enemies without switching away from doing damage

[zinc phoenix]

I notice when I stop being able to do that very fast

[long wharf]

it fucking slaps

[proper osprey]

Run it with purg

[zinc phoenix]

Man what the fuck no 😂

That staff is trash

[hushed egret]

bro what

[zinc phoenix]

Stop!

[proper osprey]

You’re stupid

[cinder niche]

Not everybody can make a cookie cutter class do what you have fun with amirite

[hushed egret]

you did mot just call the flamethrower trash

[limpid cypress]

The purg will always be one of my favorite staffs. I quite simply am an arsonist and I must spread flame

[proper osprey]

Real….. I’m so sorry

[hushed egret]

flamethrower is easily top weapons in the game

[long wharf]

I wish we could leave patches of warpfire on the ground that would ignite enemies

[haughty star]

Hot take

[cinder niche]

Yea purg is so bad

[haughty star]

Flamer is shitty purgatus

[limpid cypress]

That would be a cool node, for sure

[queen fog]

sure purg may not have pew pew, but it makes up for it with immense mid-short range enemy handling

[hushed egret]

it leaves patches on the ground, idk if they interact with anythinh

[long wharf]

I've said for a while now that trauma should do that

[zinc phoenix]

Also true aim sucks with trauma sad to say 😭

[proper osprey]

Purg bb and gun psyker is meta builds

[limpid cypress]

That ain’t that hot of a take tbh

[cinder niche]

Light em up with the purg they running around still whooping your fucking ass

[earnest laurel]

[zinc phoenix]

Jesus Christ it’s already borderline broken

[long wharf]

well yeah, True Aim isn't for trauma staff

[long wharf]

I was saying that long before the recent buffs to trauma

[near drift]

bruh taking true aim for trauma staff 💀

[proper osprey]

Anyone who says purg is bad don’t worry you’ll appreciate it with more playtime

[proper osprey]

Fr

[long wharf]

purge doesn't feel good until you take it into a high heresy/damnation where enemy density can be actually overwhelming

[limpid cypress]

When Psyker blitz where I can cast fireball?

[hushed egret]

no they arent. they're getting staggered if they arent getting killed. anything that isnt getting staggered is easy to dodge, like crushers and maulers

[proper osprey]

[zinc phoenix]

There’s really only like 3 nodes I want on right side of the tree and none of them require going hard right:

• kinetic deflection
• empathic evasion
• perfect timing

True aim imo is only good with void or gunker

[proper osprey]

God help them they do not know

[queen fog]

i love watching bosses get burnt alive

[proper osprey]

[long wharf]

bosses have warp resistance

[queen fog]

and? ill just use more warp

[long wharf]

they don't take massive damage from soulblaze

[queen fog]

ressitance aint an issue if u just do moar

[limpid cypress]

Simply more stacks are required

[queen fog]

^

[zinc phoenix]

This chat had a lobotomy today

[open pike]

You're expecting people shilling this to actually know how things work

Chat has especially bad takes today for some reason

[long wharf]

I'm just stating facts

[open pike]

I know you are, I was agreeing

[limpid cypress]

Tzeentch is whispering to us, sibling

[long wharf]

purging on a boss feels like cockslapping someone with an innie

[proper osprey]

Blud is the lobotomy

[hushed egret]

fire staff is great
not against monstrosities but the guy was clearly joking

[long wharf]

i.e. you can't tell you're actually doing anything.

[cinder niche]

Can’t believe I’m getting shit on for using asail but also holding fire staff on pedestal

[zinc phoenix]

Trauma does soulblaze better while also having real damage

[long wharf]

ooof

[zinc phoenix]

And better stagger

[long wharf]

come on, oddball

[queen fog]

thats fine i usually feel that like regardless with my psyker

[long wharf]

trauma literally cannot do soulblaze better than purge

[zinc phoenix]

I’m just saying, Burgatus is a meme

[hushed egret]

trauma does less damage to multiple targets and is FAR more peril hungry

[proper osprey]

Bros brain is leaking out his ears

[long wharf]

trauma is great for staggering, yes

the damage at epicenter is decent, yes

but let's try to stay realistic

[queen fog]

realistic? we're witches and warlocks

[hushed egret]

the damage at epicenter is good, yes*
but charge te slow and epicenter kinda small

[queen fog]

realistic aint a factor to us

[long wharf]

I do wish we had more ways to use/apply soulblaze effectively

[zinc phoenix]

Trauma gives handjobs to those who truly understand it

[long wharf]

or that things soulblazing had decreased warp resistance or something

[hushed egret]

I think the force swords are good for it but I havent tried building them yet

[long wharf]

I think you're mixing up playing Darktide with your time behind Denny's where the crackwhores stay

[haughty star]

Seems like wasted perks for my build cuz of all that naughty stuff at the lower right

[zinc phoenix]

I wish soulblaze FS blessing wasn’t a total meme

[long wharf]

oof

[zinc phoenix]

Give me 69 soulblaze from FS crits

[long wharf]

remember the original Bloodthirsty blessing for FS?

5s of crits on special kill?

[orchid nest]

yeah the 5 seconds

when no one could fucking find it too

[long wharf]

wistful sighing intensifies

[zinc phoenix]

That was totally fair and balanced

[long wharf]

yep

I tried so hard

and then we got Illisi

and they fixed Bloodthirsty 😦

was the perfect combination

[zinc phoenix]

I want a whirlwind staff

Sucks everything toward it instead of shooting it out

[long wharf]

I wouldn't mind new force staves, if FartShack would finally combine them all into a single archtype so they shared blessings

[proper osprey]

What did they do to it?

[zinc phoenix]

Call it “The Suck”

[hushed egret]

would be sick

[open pike]

There were staffs laying around datamined ages ago but who knows if are ever actually planned to get used

[orchid nest]

the current iteration now where it's 1 attack

[long wharf]

on release, Bloodthirsty would give you 5 seconds of guaranteed crits when you got a special kill with your force sword

it was insane

and stupid rare

[zinc phoenix]

Luckily the oscurus move set was terrible so it didn’t matter 😂

[long wharf]

it really is

[orchid nest]

yeah it was so rare that for a while people were debating if it even existed and wondering if the one screenshot someone had was faked or not

[open pike]

Obscurus used to be the only Force Sword, back in MY DAY

It was still ass but it was all we had lmao

[zinc phoenix]

Well yeah

I got one in beta, refused to use any other weapon

Because it was glowy

[proper osprey]

Riposte or shred for the force sword

[zinc phoenix]

deflector

[haughty star]

Neither

[proper osprey]

[haughty star]

Unstable and slaughterer

[zinc phoenix]

How can you be a grimderp jedi if you cannot block

[hushed egret]

Obscurus isnt bad

[cinder niche]

Could not do the sword too lazy to charge that shit 100 times a match

[long wharf]

yeah, I only used force sword with the psyker until FartShack made the dueling sword mk4 heavy do more damage

[hushed egret]

it's the slightly more aoe focused deimos

[open pike]

Obscurus is outclassed in every way by its much more handsome college going twins

[proper osprey]

Bro no shit

[near drift]

Deflector/uncanny deimos mmm yes sir

[long wharf]

and we've all said that deflector needs to be a base property of force swords, instead of a blessing

[proper osprey]

[haughty star]

I just charge it to beef up my peril level to keep warp rider and unstable rolling

[proper osprey]

This is awful

[orchid nest]

the upwards swing on the obscurus is probably the worst move in the game considering the weapon type its on. if they fixed that and changed the special to give it a niche it would be cool. deimos stole its original one, time to move on from that

[haughty star]

Slaughterer is the answer

[proper osprey]

[proper osprey]

You had me telling me you liked bb but now you lost me

[open pike]

Uncanny + Slaughter is always the answer unless you wanna swap something out with Deflector, sorry to say

[long wharf]

illisi with slaughterer really doesn't need Uncanny

I only ever use my illisi on the horde

[open pike]

Suppose, but it's comfy and I never really liked deflector

[long wharf]

as soon as something stronger than a poxwalker is in range, I bring out other tools

[open pike]

I did when it was broken and let you block bullets while reviving which was really funny

[long wharf]

funny appropriate

there's no good reason for deflector to suddenly not work just because you're picking someone up

[open pike]

Don't know if broken was the right word but they removed it so

[orchid nest]

it also just had it built in at that point and you didn't even need the blessing

[open pike]

We gotta deal with it

[long wharf]

if we can auto-block, that block behavior should include deflector

very lame that it was removed

[haughty star]

The 15 to 20 percent power buff from unstable adds up to more than uncanny against most things aside from ads

[open pike]

I'd have to do the math but I believe it

I'm just used to shoving uncanny on everything tbh

[haughty star]

Lol

Fair

[zinc phoenix]

I miss when that worked but I guess ogryn shield also doesn’t

[haughty star]

I just figure unstable is nice cuz it pairs well with warp rider

Get advantage off of being at high peril and gives you a reason to spam charge

[long wharf]

I mean, thinking about it, I'd also argue that the ogryn's shield ought to

but whatever, typical FartShack game design incompetence

[zinc phoenix]

friggen melk lmao

[long wharf]

he did you a favor and bricked it beforehand

[zinc phoenix]

le prebrick

[open pike]

Build a house out of bricked staff

[open pike]

Actually I just realized I have a decent Illisi laying around I can make to have Unstable Power

I'll just plop that on next time I run Damnation to mess with it

[orchid nest]

yeah unstable is great. it makes for an even better horde clear one. uncanny is just the hybrid route because it actually does respectable against crushers and stuff in a mixed horde with slaughterer and uncanny stacks going. just depends on how much you like to melee and what secondary you have

[haughty star]

Yee 20 percent power buff feels stronger than a 40 percent buff in anything else I've tried lol

[open pike]

I have most blessing available at this point cause I farmed out a bunch

[long wharf]

you always want to buff power

[haughty star]

I think with slaughter going it'll be strong enough I basically already 2 shot them with deflector and unstable

[open pike]

If a funny meme ever pops up I wanna have the stuff on hand to quickly craft it

As quickly as you can craft with Darktide anyway

[orchid nest]

it seems like you are talking about deimos when I'm talking about illisi?

[plush oak]

blaze voidstrike meta?

[haughty star]

My build is funny meme, it's just everything melee/horde related in scrisrs and dd at the end

[haughty star]

Crackhead with a knife gameplay

[plush oak]

how come knife and not mk4?

[haughty star]

No I use illys

[plush oak]

oh i see

u should try it out with mk4 too

[open pike]

Scier Assail is the shit I'm on right now which I would hope no other random Psyker would play cause they blow up enough

[plush oak]

big damag

e

[haughty star]

Not good enough to dance around the ads so illys is nice cuz it makes a hole

[open pike]

I know someone here had Surge Staff + Scier which would make you 100% peril in a millisecond like a crackhead

[plush oak]

thats exactly what im playing rn too lmfao

[plush oak]

understandable

spamming lights with mk4 in scriers with DD 1 shots trash mobs easily on weakspot

[haughty star]

A buddy of mine is doing that for his first psykwr build.

[plush oak]

just cleave through the horde

[long wharf]

ds4 doesn't have good cleave though

[plush oak]

its great, tho blowing up a lot is very likely if hes doing it as his first build

[austere warren]

Disrupt and scrier is a lot of fun for me.

[haughty star]

With illys charged I can cleave through the horde and one shot a rager at the same time

Efficiency at its finest lol

[plush oak]

trust. it cleaves through like 3 mobs on lights and u just spam it

[plush oak]

true xd

[haughty star]

By same time I mean the same swing lmao

[plush oak]

oopsiee rager got 1 shot too

[haughty star]

[sly comet]

New staff. I rolled well from the armory, and got a base 378. Then I upgraded.

[plush oak]

now this is nice

[open pike]

Bitches be purgin

[sly comet]

Aye, I'm about to try it out.

[open pike]

Only staff the game ever let me get god rolls on was Surge

[plush oak]

mine got unfortunate cloud radius, havent changed anything on it tho

[open pike]

Just as a heads up I'm fairly sure Terrifying Barrage does literally nothing on Purg

[plush oak]

oh yeah thats going for nexus

not sure what perk to change tho

[open pike]

I assumed, but was double checkin

[plush oak]

prolly ranged damage into crit chance

[harsh urchin]

You want flak

And probably barrage into nexus

[orchid nest]

I think you are confused on mob type or something, unstable illisi takes like 5 or 6 heavy special headshots to kill a crusher. you can reduce that a little with buffs, but not 2

[plush oak]

ranged damage to flak and barrage into nexs?

barrage is deffo goin away to nexus

[harsh urchin]

Cara into flak

[plush oak]

but the perk im unsure

alr

[plush oak]

what melee pairs well with it?

prolly mk4 right?

already got good CC

[harsh urchin]

Ds or deimos yeah

[plush oak]

ds for the crackhead movespeed

thats for sure

i spoiled myself running scriers gaze + dd

so now if im running force sword i feel like im crawling

although illisi is still my beloved

[haughty star]

With slaughterer unstable, and dd procced it's like 2 hit

Also it's tummy shots for crushers

[orchid nest]

you said deflector and unstable. I can't be bothered to test full dd tbh but I would imagine it's still 4 most of the time or barely 3

[plush oak]

tummy

[haughty star]

Bruh with deflector it's hardly 3 or 4 lmao

[plush oak]

hol up on what difficulty are we talking here

[haughty star]

Damnation?

[orchid nest]

alright lets go back. you said, your words, you basically 2 shot them with deflector and unstable. I just said it's 5 or 6 depending on buffs

[orchid nest]

here

[open pike]

While this goes on what should I craft next, my memy Combat Blade 6 or more revolvers

[orchid nest]

maybe you meant to type something different but I'm just going off what you said

[haughty star]

Without any stacks from scriers or dd rolling I could see 5 or 6, if all my stacks are up it feels like 2 to 4, I don't pay that close attention because I'm with a group lol

[cinder niche]

Surge smite any good?

[ionic needle]

Oh yes boys, it's time

[orchid nest]

I could see it reducing a lot with scriers and full DD, yeah, for sure

[hushed egret]

pretty solid

[haughty star]

It's not like I'm like hold up guys, gotta do a damage stack check in the middle of a horde lol

[hushed egret]

surge for single target, smite for aoe cc

[ionic needle]

Nice, got a second psyker with rending shockwave haha

[haughty star]

I guess technically you could prolly proc full scriers and dd in meat grinder

[ionic needle]

These crushers gonna die

[hushed egret]

my best vet build has to actively waste ammo to run out lmao

[orchid nest]

yeah you can it's just too much effort for me to test turning off the ai to get DD and all that. scriers changes it a lot, I didn't realize you meant with scriers though

[hushed egret]

cant proc dd in meat grinder

[haughty star]

Yeah it's melee focused build

[orchid nest]

You can but you have to have the creature spawner mod and turn off your invisibility

[hushed egret]

at least when I tried, nothing in the psykhanium gets marked

ah mods ye

[long wharf]

enemies have to be active for DD to mark anything

[hushed egret]

it should be made to work in meat grinder

[long wharf]

create a bug report on the forum

maybe it's an actual bug

[hushed egret]

I wanted to test if brain burst with disrupt destiny can achieve any special breakpoints

[open pike]

Meat Grinder is a lot less useful than you'd hope for a lotta things unless you mod it in

[long wharf]

to be fair, the Meat Grinder being available on release was really nice

[hushed egret]

neat grinder is good

it does pretty much everything I need

not literally everything, but damn close

[open pike]

I just wanted to test my Devil's Claw parries

[haughty star]

I'm starting to realize

Why do psyker make better gun man than funni gun man

And better melee man than funni melee man

[hushed egret]

huh

[haughty star]

It even starts to encroach on the ogryn with the force shield

[long wharf]

psykers don't

[harsh urchin]

it doesn't lol

yep

[long wharf]

a vet can do far more with a gun than a psyker can

[harsh urchin]

if you think it does then you clearly haven't played the other classes enough

[long wharf]

a zealot can do far more melee damage than a psyker can

[ornate hamlet]

Psykers unfortunately don't have the funny melee buffs vet does, nor the funny gun buffs

Empathic evasion and crit stacking is hilarious, of course

[long wharf]

it's not even close

[ornate hamlet]

The lack of attack speed bonuses kinda tilts me tho

[long wharf]

vets can outright delete everything up to ogryn enemies in a single shot

[ornate hamlet]

And not getting rending on any weapon also sucks

[cinder niche]

If you wanna shoot guns use a vet other than that you just fucking your team over 😂

[long wharf]

vets get free rending in their talent tree

[ornate hamlet]

Vet gets free 40% brittleness for ranged and melee, and free 20% for melee

[harsh urchin]

vets also get deadshot

[long wharf]

zealots get massive crit bonuses from bleed, melee attack speed and damage

yeah

[harsh urchin]

which is like scriers except it's always up

[long wharf]

it's not even comparable

[harsh urchin]

and arguably better

[long wharf]

psyker can do melee well enough

[harsh urchin]

cuz it removes your weapon sway

[ornate hamlet]

If you have a fast weapon, like knife, you can spam lights on an enemy and get them to 60% brittleness, or at least I don't know of a cap for it

[long wharf]

and can use a particular gun decently enough

[ionic needle]

hahaha

doing this drunk wasn't a good idea

[harsh urchin]

sadly

even though i think psyker is good

it's probably the weakest

[ionic needle]

suddenly sneaky crushers everywhere

[harsh urchin]

out of the 4 classes rn

[haughty star]

Drunkenness is never a good idea imo

[harsh urchin]

especially after the nerfs

[long wharf]

as long as you're having fun and killing what you're aiming at in a reasonable amount of time, you aren't hurting your team

[haughty star]

All the crazy powerful zealots I've tried have huge holes in what they can and can't do

[long wharf]

what psyker is missing right now is a bosskill build

[haughty star]

Same with vet

[harsh urchin]

you probably have shitty builds then lol

[ionic needle]

You tried columnus?

[long wharf]

yep

[harsh urchin]

because my vet and zealot builds demolish everything

[long wharf]

and it does work

[haughty star]

Hur dur dur

[hushed egret]

idk about that but, it's definitely build differently

[haughty star]

I mean so does my psyker lmao

[long wharf]

but ogryn and zealot can delete bosses without hitting weakspots

vets can delete with weakspot hits

[orchid nest]

I think so too. the balance is better than before but it's still in last. playing my ogryn feels like an entirely different game. may as well be 2 of my psyker at the same time for any task other than efficiently killing shooters

[long wharf]

I wouldn't say the psyker is weakest, though

[hushed egret]

I think all the classes are pretty even tbh

[long wharf]

my psyker regularly out-dps teammates on everything but boss damage

[haughty star]

Vet would be dog shit without voc being so powerful

[ionic needle]

Yeah my experience is that they're pretty even

[haughty star]

Confirmed kill also pretty busted

[hushed egret]

also Psyker has a heavy dose of crowd control no other class has

[long wharf]

psyker used to be the only class that could hard CC

[hushed egret]

nobody can hold down enemies like psyker can, so even if psyker has on average less dps it makes up for it in holding shit down

[long wharf]

now vets and zealots can, but not nearly as often as psykers can

[wet belfry]

Vet is the weakest

[orchid nest]

anyone that is enthusiast enough to even think about going in a discord is already so above the average player that your experience with a scoreboard compared to quickplay randoms will be pretty biased so I don't think that is a good judge of the classes overall strength

[hot zephyr]

thoughts on improving? I only have dumdum 2 but I'm not sure I even want to change the rest...

[wet belfry]

Lower dps then ogryn, psyker.

[long wharf]

"holding shit down" is never preferred over "killing shit"

[ionic needle]

What are you guys even talking about? Psyker lacks dps??

[long wharf]

with the talent trees, classes got power-crept

every class can now kill elites very quickly

[wet belfry]

Zealot has tons of bullshit outside dps like survivalbility and speed.

[long wharf]

so spending time keeping a horde immobile is pointless

the best use for smite is to freeze things for a second and knock them down

giving the team the moment needed to regroup and get back to killing

[hushed egret]

"holding shit down" is in fact preferred over killing shit because cc abilities can essentially kill an enemy temporarily, and in all cases can effectively cc more enemies in their sleep than any dps could kill top of their game

[harsh urchin]

uh

[long wharf]

you are flat out wrong

so wrong, it makes my head hurt

[harsh urchin]

what difficulty are you playing in?

[hushed egret]

auric maelstroms

[long wharf]

keeping an enemy alive but immobile is never better than that enemy being dead

if you find that you need to keep a room still for your team to proceed alive, and you have to do that anywhere near regularly, then your team is seriously lacking killing power

[hushed egret]

if there's enough shit, you eventually cant have enough dps to handle it effectively. cc is important in endgame so you have time to deal with everythinh

[ionic needle]

Yeah no cc is not better than just killing them, come on

[harsh urchin]

I see, can you share a scoreboard sometime? because I don't believe you 😛

[hushed egret]

no, but you can hold more enemies down than you can kill, which is extremely valueable in buying time so you can kill things

[long wharf]

not if you've specced yourself for the enemy density properly

[cinder niche]

I get what you’re saying solo you’re not alone lol

[haughty star]

Cc comes in clutch in damnation and auric maelstrom

[long wharf]

yes it can

but not having to clutch is always better

[orchid nest]

my experience is the complete opposite and I think you might think that is the case because you've been on smite so long. if your team is competent not only is killing them all quickly not a problem, people start competing to who kills them first.

[long wharf]

aka TTK is more important

that doesn't mean you don't go into the mission with multiple tools

to cover multiple bases

[hushed egret]

in all cases, a dedicated cc build will hold down 3x the enemies a damage build can kill, single target or multi target whatevers your fancy

[wet belfry]

There are counters anyways to huge hordes of enemies

[haughty star]

I'd rather see a cc psyker than a dps one because half tje time dps psykers just off themselves or get kilt when they need to try and clutch

[proven stirrup]

not having to clutch? In my darktide?

Get that twilight zone shit outta here

[long wharf]

look, I'm not saying that CC is useless

[harsh urchin]

I feel like we're playing different games here lol

[long wharf]

shit hits the fan

stuff happens

[harsh urchin]

because I dont know what a "cc psyker" or a "dps psyker" is

[long wharf]

other players don't play optimally

[haughty star]

Cc stops a lot of situations that you would need to clutch from happ2ning to begin with

[wet belfry]

Fire grenades, frag grenades, box, bullrush, perilous combustion, venting shriek all work well vs large group of enemies.

[ornate hamlet]

CC psyker is a DPS psyker with smite

Or trauma

[harsh urchin]

everyone is a "dps psyker" and you might bring smite but most of the time you aren't using it

[ornate hamlet]

You can't dedicate a build to CC, you just add it to a damage build

[long wharf]

just having smite doesn't make you "CC focused"

you're always DPS focused

[hushed egret]

also, cc increases team dps in many cases too

[long wharf]

you have a backup tool for when you need to give the team breathing room

[hushed egret]

smite makes damage way easier and safer to deal

[harsh urchin]

no lol

[long wharf]

but focusing on smite means you aren't contributing as much as you could be

[harsh urchin]

most of the time it just stops the horde

[orchid nest]

smite can also slow down your team instead of helping it if you're just using it recklessly not letting them clump together for your good cleavers

[harsh urchin]

and makes clearing it harder

[cinder niche]

If you play with a competent team it’s a good way

[hushed egret]

trauma puts enough things on the floor that you can aim past crowds for high priority targets

[haughty star]

Isn't surge just always the better option over smite anyway

[harsh urchin]

no

lol

[hushed egret]

yeah but gives them the space and time to deal with stuff

[harsh urchin]

surge is single target

[hushed egret]

surge is a damage dealer. it's lightning is an afterthought

smite is a cc ability. it's damage is an afterthought

[haughty star]

Oh weird I thought it was like a lightning staff

[proven stirrup]

It is

[haughty star]

Never used any other than trauma staff tbh

[hushed egret]

nothing tops smite at its role, the unparalleled king of "nothing moves"

[cinder niche]

Surge is good for 1-2 tapping stuff

[proven stirrup]

But it doesn't spread like smite does

[cinder niche]

Good stuns also

[proven stirrup]

It just hits a fingerful of targets like a truck

[harsh urchin]

look man

[sly comet]

It performed very well. I like this staff. The reduced charge time lets me keep a near constant stream of flames going, and the damage over time melts elites.

[long wharf]

absolutely - and if you find you have to do this in every engagement, your team lacks DPS

[orchid nest]

sometimes, yeah. it's better for bad team mates, sure. it can also delay a problem that doesn't get resolved into a worse problem because the right play in that moment was killing things and the situation is worse and not better when the smite ends

[long wharf]

you should never be thinking "smite is why I exist on this team"

smite is for when you need to get out of a bad situation or to stop a situation turning bad

[hushed egret]

I'm not saying you dont need dps, I'm saying cc is valueable alongside dps

[long wharf]

you need to be doing your share of the DPS everytime else

[harsh urchin]

look man, smite is a good ability and it can be useful at times, but "cc psyker" is not a thing, and if you're playing that you're not really doing as much as you think you are in games

[hot zephyr]

Smite at best is an "oh F***" button

[long wharf]

and I'm saying that DPS is more important than CC

and it will always be in Darktide

not CC isn't useful

[wet belfry]

The problem with smite is the fundamental groundwork of how the game works.
Its a horde game where enemies wont ever stop spawning. Thereby piling up enemies wont actually solve the problem. It just gives more time for the game to pile more enemies ontop of the players.

[long wharf]

not CC doesn't have utility

[cinder niche]

I feel like asail fucks on smite in an oh shit situation anyways

Don’t even need it

[hushed egret]

eh yeah you dont need cc by the defintion of necessity, but it's extremely fucking useful to nigh necessity in high intensity situations

[wet belfry]

Also killing enemies literary slows down the clock in how many specials, hordes will spawn.

[hot zephyr]

Smite will stop a crusher pack in it's tracks. Assail you go RUN AWAYYYYYY

[long wharf]

sure - and the better your team, the less you need it and the less you use it

[haughty star]

There's more to the game than who gets the damage number at the end lol this is why that mod is dumb

[cinder niche]

That’s when I pull out my surge staff and stun his ass to death lol

[long wharf]

smite is a tool, not a weapon

[proven stirrup]

Well when you pug, you get no say in how good your team is

That's not really a point to make

[long wharf]

you should nearly always be on your weapons doing DPS

[dawn spoke]

you would still be doing less damage even if the scoreboard mod didn't exist lol

[hot zephyr]

fair, and that's why builds exist. Every build should have a short range option, long range option, horde clear, boss dps, and a CC.

Some of those things are the same item in some cases

[hushed egret]

sure I agree here. the better you perform the less you need to rely on cc, but it's never bad to have, and Psyker is the class that cant get away from dealing some level of cc, just like how Vet cant escape having solid damage

[long wharf]

the one thing psyker is best at is being able to have multiple bases well covered

you can do horde, specialists, elites, and CC all in the same build equally well

you can dominate in those categories in a single build

[hushed egret]

how's this scoreboard mod work btw? just damage tracking?

[long wharf]

very hard for the other classes to do the same

anyways, bbl

[dawn spoke]

it tracks a bunch of stuff, not just damage, if you google darktide scoreboard mod you can find all the stuff it tracks

[orchid nest]

my main problem with smite is that trauma staff exists and I'd rather have a trauma user for the same purpose. not that I'd leave or ever try to shame anyone for using something. just preference

[harsh urchin]

Doing "cc" is actually counterproductive on psyker did you know

[orchid nest]

my buddy was hard into smite for a bit when I was a trauma and it was always just like.. alright I have to switch, one of us is wasting our time here

[harsh urchin]

because you don't get EP charges, no Warp charges and psykinetic aura doesn't function as well

[hushed egret]

it isnt but ya'know

[harsh urchin]

if you're not getting kills

[cinder niche]

All the other builds do plenty of CC don’t need us to do it also when we do so much at a high level as it is

[harsh urchin]

also no DD charges unless you kill

[hushed egret]

yeah smite doesnt work with the keystones well... but one, you dont really need the keystones tbh, and if you're using only smite then you're not performing well or shit is exceptionally wrong, and lastly, smite is op as shit, it's lack of interaction with your passives is literally what balances it

[harsh urchin]

you dont really need the keystones

umm

yeah you do lmao

what are you on

[orchid nest]

I think smite is balanced mostly. the only OP thing about it is you don't need the connected nodes.

[harsh urchin]

if i saw a psyker build that didn't take a keystone I probably would not take it seriously

[hushed egret]

Psyker has the weakest passives out of all the classes (intentionally) and the only reason to grab the keystones is because they're your best passives

[harsh urchin]

what

lol

the passives

are SO good

what the fuck

[hushed egret]

look at any other class and they dont come close

[wet belfry]

10% abillty cooldown is really good.

[hot zephyr]

I mean... the definition of Keystone is literally

the central principle or part of a policy, system, etc., on which all else depends

[hushed egret]

that's an aura

[harsh urchin]

shit like perilous combustion, perfect timing, mettle, empathic evasion psykinetics aura, warp rider

kinetic deflection

[zinc phoenix]

You can get similar by going voc vet with a melee focus and ps6+plasma+krak

[harsh urchin]

true aim

[hushed egret]

doesnt mean that's what they mean in this game. each class balances their available tools differently

[harsh urchin]

are you actually serious

that you think the passives aren't good LOL

[cinder niche]

Compared to other classes they aren’t

[hushed egret]

they're good, but the other classes passives are more than good, they're great

they're game changing

[harsh urchin]

ye i don't think i can take this conversation seriously tbh

[hot zephyr]

I'm sorry but I will have to disagree. I can respect you have an opinion, but they would not have called them Keystones if they didn't tie your whole build together.

[hushed egret]

vets crit chance while aiming ability is vastly better than Psykers true aim, it isnt even a competition

[harsh urchin]

shit like perilous combustion, KD, true aim, warp rider are all game changing

[ornate hamlet]

If by passives we mean those little travel nodes, I do think psyker has the worst of the human classes

[plush oak]

first game purg scriers gaze. Actually nuts

[hushed egret]

warp rider provides up to 20% more damage. vet can just, get that risk free on a random passive

[ornate hamlet]

If we mean the talents, it's kind of a mixed bag

Veteran has really strong choices to buff melee and ranged

[harsh urchin]

which passive gives 20% more damage for everything?

which vet passive lol

lmk so i can take it

[hushed egret]

also Psyker only has a handful of standout passives, leystones included. vet and zealot just have nothing but great passives

[wet belfry]

Psyker has a much smaller tree

[hushed egret]

yes to all but force you to take keystones

[ornate hamlet]

They can get 15% melee from travel nodes, melee finesse and crit chance on another node, melee attack speed on another, 25% crit chance from dodging on another, 30% weakspot on another, more attack speed with weapon specialist, 15% close range damage on ability use, 20% weakspot power on ability use and probably other shit I'm missing

[hushed egret]

because otherwise you could easily ignore them tbh

[wet belfry]

Veteran likely has double the talents in general

[hot zephyr]

Ok sorry but like 8/10 passives in the tree are literally game-breaking for psyker. if you disagree with that you are ignoring some of the most powerful abilities in the entire game

[harsh urchin]

this is bullshit and you know it lmao. there's tons of garbage vet/zealot passives

like the 20% sprint cost reduction

[earnest laurel]

what perks are meta on voidstrike staff?

[ionic needle]

All that just means the other classes need more help, we're perfect the way we are with our small trees and magic hands

[harsh urchin]

or the one that gives you 10% attackspeed after you run out of ammo

[ornate hamlet]

Psyker has no nodes that just give you melee damage, melee finesse, melee crit chance, melee attack speed and melee weakspot with no strings attached

Well, there's the aura and a 5% crit node that vet also has

So only the aura really

[wet belfry]

The patch that releassed new classes remade psyker from a hybrid to a ramged class

[ornate hamlet]

No it didn't

[orchid nest]

they have a ranged damage little node too for what it's worth if you're comparing those. and 2.5% more base crit chance

[ornate hamlet]

It's still a very versatile class

[wet belfry]

Psyker doesnt have much in terms of melee support by now compared to ranged.

[ionic needle]

Yeah well does veteran have this?? No, didn't think so. Psykers win.

[ornate hamlet]

It doesn't and it's honestly a shame, but their exclusive melees are great and sometimes I think Fatshark did balance them around psyker's tree being what it is

[wet belfry]

Ye the weapons are great but the class doesnt do anything in pecuilar to support them.

[ornate hamlet]

Because when we're looking at an overtuned sword that can three-shot a crusher and one-shot a mutant, I can understand why they didn't want to give psyker the billion melee nodes vet has

[wet belfry]

The days of 300% damage illisi are gone.

[ornate hamlet]

But then the non-exclusive ones suffer because of it

And that's what miffs me

[ionic needle]

I haven't touched a force sword since patch 13

[harsh urchin]

frankly, I wish they would've gone a different direction

with dueling sword

[ionic needle]

Combat knife and duelling swords work really well

[harsh urchin]

rather than just give it a shitload of damage

[ornate hamlet]

Psyker has a bunch of peril-oriented things on the tree and a single melee weapon category that actually makes use of peril

[ionic needle]

Oh wait DS is exclusive

[cinder niche]

D4 best out rn

[ornate hamlet]

So you get shit like dueling sword exclusively working with mettle and leaving the other 3 peril regen nodes out of the equation

Which means using dueling sword and a gun is trying to shoot yourself in the foot

[ionic needle]

Really?

[ornate hamlet]

And then assail fixes that, but you shouldn't be limited to assail for the sake of survivability

[steep fractal]

Scriers gaze though?

[ionic needle]

My gunker build runs smite

[ornate hamlet]

Scrier's gaze can be used to trigger two of the toughness regen nodes, but it's miles behind actively using peril

[haughty star]

My gunker runs bb for long range, colum for mid range and obviously illyses up close

[ornate hamlet]

Scrier's gaze is basically giving you 25% toughness until it reaches 100% (quelling aside, if you have the nodes that do it) and then 50% as you slowly quell the peril passively

And when you're using a staff or a force sword, you eat peril and shit out peril

While not limited from using mettle

And not limited from using soulstealer

And you get bonus damage from the crit for warp damage node

And bonus damage from the non-warp kill for warp damage node

There is one broken dueling sword, but even then it feels like an afterthought that they buffed to this point because it was easier than reworking the tree to fit non-peril melees

Except two of the peril melees are ass to use

And illisi, despite having uncanny strike, still is not really nice to use for carapace

[steep fractal]

How dare you insult my Deimos

[ornate hamlet]

So it becomes a bunch of compromises with the tree and the weapons

Naturally, because I really like the idea of a fencing wizard, I didn't give a shit about any of it and play dueling sword, IAG and smite while only using mettle to sustain myself

[wet belfry]

You dont want to buy into the crystal business?

[ornate hamlet]

But whenever I go back to force sword or play a class that can actually use most of their toughness regen talents, I go "oh, so this is how it feels when I'm not using a wheelchair"

[flint plover]

I hear there are some lovely prismata crystals on the market..

[ornate hamlet]

I used to play assail and it was honestly really good with soulstealer, but it got kinda boring after a while like the illisi fire shriek build that basically played the game for me

[wet belfry]

Ima be honest i barely even play psyker nowadays.

[ornate hamlet]

I didn't find it healthy for me to use a weapon, namely assail, where I'd step back from the horde and not engage in melee combat

[wet belfry]

I just think the psyker tree is so small that it leaves little area to experiment

[ornate hamlet]

It felt like I was taking away from the game's essence and treading the road of "win over fun"

It does

Honestly vet is my favorite tree at the moment