psyker-class

[long wharf]

mirthlessly chuckling at our rage, impotent to affect any change in our station in her eyes

[white wolf]

Hadron with the other tech-priests after hours, talking about the look on the Veteran's face when she bricked his 380 power sword

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-giggle-goodfellas-gif-14677611

[long wharf]

I absolutely believe it

[lone ravine]

i mean being angry for most of your 380 something years of life, you gotta get joy somehow.

[cunning bone]

Results

Replace the perks with maniac and carapace?

[long wharf]

hey, you lucked out

[cunning bone]

F

[long wharf]

you definitely want maniac

I don't remember if I put crit chance on mine

[cunning bone]

Definitely maniac

And crit chance sounds solid since it already has a crit blessing

[long wharf]

that's a good ds4

not perfect, but it's not off by much

[cunning bone]

Would be perfect if i could get 80 is mobility 😭

[long wharf]

well, and t4 blessings

but still

[cunning bone]

I feel so unsafe when not holding a knife

[long wharf]

and yeah, there's a reason why people generally have 360 base modifier as the cutoff for upgrading a weapon

how well the weapon rolls as it upgrades is based on how well it's currently rolled

current_modifier_totals / max_total_currently_possible is the odds

so the better your weapon is off the bat, the better it rolls as it goes

[cunning bone]

Did not know this, ty

[long wharf]

you can take advantage of this to get t4 blessings you don't have by putting t4 perks and t4 blessings on a weapon before you upgrade it

[cunning bone]

I tried that

For void strike staff

To get surge blessings

Only upgraded 370s

Nar

Spent around 30k plat

No dice

[long wharf]

Hadron secretly worships Slaanesh

she revels in our suffering

[cunning bone]

😭

[hushed egret]

this sounds possibly more material expensive than just buying a bunch of high base modifier whites and making them blue

but I also dont know the chances to get t4 blessing or how much it improves with rating

maybe Melk's purples would be a good way to farm t4 blessings in that case

given good rng

[long wharf]

more material expensive for sure, yes

but the odds are better when one blessing slot is a t4 blessing you already have

[hushed egret]

true

migjt do this next time

[long wharf]

how much better is determined by how many t4 blessings the weapon has

in the past week, I've actually gotten two or three t4 blessings off of blue emperor's gifts

for weapons I never use, of course

[steep estuary]

EH this could be serviceable, thanks sour milk

[long wharf]

ouch

I definitely wouldn't

that'd be a waste of resources to upgrade

[cunning bone]

Is surge to much to ask for 😭

[steep estuary]

Nah, im not upgrading, but I'll toss it on when Im helping a couple friends in uprising or smthn

[long wharf]

also, gambling with your Milkies is a huge waste

[long wharf]

surge is a very rare blessing

[steep estuary]

I never see anything good in his daily things

[long wharf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I still wouldn't waste Milkies

[cunning bone]

Does the second ball from surge also crit?

[steep estuary]

Maybe I'll hoard the milkies

[long wharf]

no

[cunning bone]

F

[long wharf]

the second projectile is just a regular shot

[cunning bone]

Gay

Would be cracked if it did

[long wharf]

yeah, I think it should be a crit as well

that would make surge+blazing spirit an interesting combination on the void staff

[cunning bone]

Didnt even think of that

That would be really cracked

[long wharf]

well, it sounds like it would be, but it'd end up just being a poor man's purge staff at that point

void projectile has a cleave of 10

purge has infinite (it's stopped by distance, not how many enemies it hits)

[cunning bone]

But i mean

[lethal lagoon]

Pyskies typically don't have tools for dealing with mutants. So mk4 likes maniacs. I'd do stamina -> maniac, Precog -> shred/ripost

[cunning bone]

Void strike insta kills all fodder in its path and does well to stagger heavy hitters

[lethal lagoon]

If you don't plan on ever using it on monsters, than yeah, sounds good.

[cunning bone]

I hate how useless i am when it comes to monstrosities. Like best i can do is clear the horde that wants to bug the team while they’re trying to fight the monstrosity

But like when its 3 psykers, and the zealot cant do massive monster damage, gg

[spice veldt]

we will get a force staff with unyielding DPS on par with guns one day

[hexed geyser]

Surge is fine agaisnt bosses. Deimos and ds4 too

[spice veldt]

one day

[long wharf]

well, I wouldn't say surge is fine

[hexed geyser]

One day. Maybe next anniversary

[long wharf]

it's "okay"

but void has great utility on monstrosities

you can help stagger-lock them

[hexed geyser]

Yeah it does the job. I see the health bar going down

[long wharf]

if you don't have an ogryn that can stagger-lock the boss by himself, your void staff can

on plague ogryns and chaos spawns

so you do damage and keep the boss from hurting teammates, win-win

[cunning bone]

At least, that would be the case if i had aim

[long wharf]

well, yes, the ability to aim is assumed

git gud

[hexed geyser]

How do you not aim with a voidstrike

[lethal lagoon]

All things considered 40-50 surge shots to kill a boss isn't awful.

[cunning bone]

😭

[lethal lagoon]

Since you don't have to aim it really

[hexed geyser]

That's what i'm sayiiing

[long wharf]

if a boss isn't killed within 20 seconds, I'm disappointed

[cunning bone]

Aiming for the head, quite a challenge for me while on xbox

[hexed geyser]

Usually when i kill bosses with a surge it's because it spawned while i was trying to clutch

[lethal lagoon]

Buy an xbox keyboard and mouse

[long wharf]

you don't even have to buy anything special

[lethal lagoon]

Or does any kmb work?

[long wharf]

the XBox has USB inputs

[lethal lagoon]

[long wharf]

just plug your PC keyboard and mouse into it

and become the superior XBox player

[cunning bone]

Tried that but something wasnt working

[hexed geyser]

Fix the something

[long wharf]

though I'm not sure if ... yeah, I think FartShack would have to specifically support that in their console build

[cunning bone]

The keyboard was pretty new so assumed the issue was with my xbox

[timber delta]

Hello, fellow witches. I don't suppose anyone could help me do that one penance? You know the one. The redacted one.

[lethal lagoon]

A few people have mentioned running kmb on xbox in here

So unless it was a concerted psyops to one-guy me, it works for darktide.

[long wharf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I'm a PC Master Race guy, so.

not my problem.

[lethal lagoon]

(ᶜᵒⁿᵗʳᵒˡˡᵉʳ ᵖˡᵃʸᵉʳˢ ʷᶦˡˡ ᵐᵃᵏᵉ ᶦᵗ ʸᵒᵘʳ ᵖʳᵒᵇˡᵉᵐ ʷʰᵉⁿ ᵗʰᵉʸ ᵖᵘᵇ ʷᶦᵗʰ ʸᵒᵘ)

[long wharf]

it's their problem, regardless

[gloomy magnet]

yboy

[hushed egret]

dont need a keyboard and mouse to aim good

[lethal lagoon]

Plenthy of operations just can't be done when compared to a high DPI mouse 🤷‍♂️

You can make up for it with raw skill and experience, but at the end of the day, it's always the inferior option.

[hushed egret]

as a fellow Xbone player, I have pretty solid aim. it isnt like, insane or anything, but despite how often I have to take my thumb off the look stick to dodge/swap weapons/slide/quell, I still can hit things reliably. headshots are the onky difficulty but usually I dont need to aim at the end all that deparately

[potent echo]

Aim is one thing, but being able to whip the mouse around the check behind you is priceless

[lethal lagoon]

I mean I grew up on halo, so I'm absolutely a controller boi. This game does not do well on controller lmao.

[potent echo]

And to get fast turn rate, you get increased sensitivity which ruins your aim

So you can never win as a controller user

[hushed egret]

by a small margin all things considered. good controller players can achieve very high effectiveness, and with far increased comfort

[lethal lagoon]

In some games sure.

This is not one of them

[potent echo]

I'll consider controller on par with mkb if you can do a 360 in 0.2 seconds

[hushed egret]

dont need to check behind you in this game tbh. the audio cues and active spatial awareness will tell you plenty

[potent echo]

Audio cues in darktide

Yes

[lethal lagoon]

For example, consistent headshots on melee weapons is all but a requirement in this game to maximize dps. It's infinintely easier to do that with a mouse.

[hushed egret]

Darktide has the best audio cues in any games I've ever played, no contest

[potent echo]

also what if the mutant runs past you

You still have to turn slowly like a little tank

[hushed egret]

consistent headshots isnt even a challenge lol. aim eye level and most weapons will sweep across skulls like nothing

[hushed egret]

dont have to have dogshit sensitivity

[lethal lagoon]

There's a big difference between bringing out a melee weapon and mowing a horde and random events where you need to quickly whip out melee and instantly kill something.

[hushed egret]

good controller players have a balance of speed and precision. also pretty certain there's an aim sensitivity scalar but I dont recall

[potent echo]

If you sensitivity is so high you can turn in 0.1 seconds can you even aim properly lol

[hushed egret]

not that high but you dont need it that high

[potent echo]

It's just a dilemma that mkb users never face

[lethal lagoon]

Have you played several games with mkb?

[primal radish]

can someone explain difference between the two laspistols? never tried them before lol, what are best blessings, dum dum and?...

[hushed egret]

those situations are different but the skill in question really isnt

[primal radish]

also perks maniac and something right

[potent echo]

Dumdum and anything

Some like ghost some like infernus

[hushed egret]

first laspistol in the list has a faster firerate for lower damage while the one at the bottom is the inverse. all blessings good for different purposes

[potent echo]

The heavier one shoots slower but has more range

[primal radish]

is one variant clearly better than other or both good (for auric mael)

[potent echo]

Preference, but the slower one has lower dpsecond

[primal radish]

ok and which perks, prob maniac and crit? or flak

for scriers DD

[potent echo]

Uh depends

[hushed egret]

it isnt much of a dilemna if you're good with a controller, and especially not in this game with great audio design

[lethal lagoon]

I mean I'm speaking from experience in running both auric t5s/maels with kmb and controller. Did you at least try that with both set ups?

[potent echo]

Best is to go into psykanium and see which enemies you care about are close to being 1-2shot

Then if your perk can make it take one shot less then go ahead

[hushed egret]

I havent really played kmb because it's anatomically uncomfortable in the hand and heavily prone to misinputs

[potent echo]

Personally I take unyielding to kill bosses quicker but that's just me

[hushed egret]

I'm not trying to say controller is better than a mouse, I'm just saying it's still good in the right hands with a much better shape for your hands

[primal radish]

and dump stat is just mobi, or is ammo kinda dump

[potent echo]

Heavily biased opinions then

What if my hands prefer a keyboard

[lethal lagoon]

I dunno, just kind of sounds like you don't know how to use a kmb to play games, which is 100% okay, but you see the issue with your bias in this convo, right?

[lethal lagoon]

Mobi is dump, ammo is also dump but don't let it drop too low.

I like the old pistol with flak, unyielding, inferous, dumdum

For SG

[hushed egret]

they dont. controllers match human shaped hands better than keyboards. you can overcome that issue, just as controller players can overcome sensitivity issues, but doesnt mean the problem is absent

[lethal lagoon]

Ehhh, I'll give him the point on that one. You aren't really gonna get carpel tunnel from controllers for example.

[hushed egret]

I've used kmb a little, and I dont have to be some expert to understand it well enough to have this convo. I'm not biased, I'm just sick of the "kmb is so much better than controller" arguement when it's the hands that wield it more than the equipment they use

[lethal lagoon]

Yes, you do, with the point you are arguing.

You need be to well versed in both controller and keyboard or you are just saying random stuff

[hushed egret]

not really

[lethal lagoon]

Virtually every pro FPS player uses KMB, that's not even up for debate.

[hushed egret]

I understand the strengths and weaknesses of each, it doesnt take tons of experience to understand them

[lethal lagoon]

You don't though, by self-admission earlier.

[hushed egret]

because kmb does have an advantage, but that doesnt mean it's a LARGE advantage

[tame venture]

Yeah because controllers get aim assist out the ass in every single game out there

[hushed egret]

.... I didnt admit to low understanding, I admitted to low experience but claim that that isnt a disqualifyimg factor and it isnt

[hushed egret]

aim assist makes aim worse if you're good tbh

it makes it easier if you're bad but worse if you can aim

auto turn that off in every game, primary reason I always check a games settings asap

[lethal lagoon]

You literally just admitted misinputs are a big problem for you. That's the same thing as admitting you don't understand.

[hushed egret]

no it isnt, and I didnt say they were a problem for me, I said kmb is much easier to misinput with

[tame venture]

"the computer artificially making missed shots hit makes the game harder if you're a l33t gamer"

Lol nah

[hushed egret]

it fucks with the camera, either slowing it down or genuinely shifting it, speeding it up, etc. a large part of aim is intuition, especially on a controller, and since aim assist subtlely messes with your aim, it messes with your intuition

[tame venture]

That's not what aim assist does mang

It doesn't yank the screen around randomly

[hushed egret]

that's literally what it does

it moves the camera

[tame venture]

It just makes bullets that don't hit, hit

[hushed egret]

or slows it down in the best cases

[hushed egret]

nope

maybe some games. SOME

but the vast majority of aim assists move the camera

they dont change how the bullets work, they change where you're aiming in an attempt to correct your aim before firing

[lethal lagoon]

Yes, but keep in mind darktide is hitscan.

[hushed egret]

I'm not sure I grasp your point but projectile or hitscan doesnt really change how aim assist works

[lethal lagoon]

Hitscan means they can aim assist less noticeably and/or without effecting the camera.
I'm not too sure what's going on in darktide though, I wasn't really caring about aim assist anyways.

[spice veldt]

darktide does have aim assist in the form of bullet magnetism

plug in a controller and shoot an IAG vaguely in the area of an enemy's head

[hushed egret]

I did auto turn off Darktide's aim assist so idk what exactly they do here

but most games move the camera

[lethal lagoon]

Turning off the aim assist will likely only remove the part that affects the camera from my understanding

[tame venture]

https://youtube.com/shorts/xqggXENTJhA

[lethal lagoon]

I have no idea though

[hushed egret]

this doesnt really prove anything

[spice veldt]

even something that automatically lowers your sensitivity when your cursor is near an enemy is a huge help

[hushed egret]

those are good aim assists

[spice veldt]

because one big problem with ADSing is that most people have it on the RMB and the contraction of your middle finger can mess with your aim

[hushed egret]

at least when you want it to slow you down. if I'm trying to turn around in a horde it isnt helping lol

[tame venture]

It went from 100% of shots hitting to like, 3%

[hushed egret]

yeah but it's a small sample size from some random guy on the internet who might not be good at aiming in general

therefore proving nothing

[lethal lagoon]

So you're saying IAG is actually aimable if I run controller

Jokes aside, that inital recoil is so bizzare.

[spice veldt]

the recoil recovery of the IAG is what gets me, because its so damn inconsistent

[rapid widget]

If only it had 10 more points in damage

[hushed egret]

why would this game even have bullet magnetism? it has spread, bullet magnetism would remove that

[spice veldt]

like i'll try to compensate as if it will recover faster, but then it decides to recover slowly and i'll just overshoot

[tame venture]

There's dozens and dozens of examples of this out there, but I'm not going to pollute up chat by spamming them

[lethal lagoon]

Both perks are scuffed, so meh

[spice veldt]

and the fact is that you just have a more mappable range of movement with your wrist and shoulder

[rapid widget]

Oh, it's going into the dumpster regardless. But I was like, "Oh hey wait a sec" on the stats.

[lethal lagoon]

I mean if you have nothing to use 🤷‍♂️

[hushed egret]

and most of them will, again, be from probably average to bad players who really only play with aim assist on and perhaps on a bad day, and additionally, probably turning it off with the intention of proving it's worse and thus themselves aiming worse because confirmation bias is a thing

also the majority of console players are more casual and laidback than the majority of pc players so your average console player is worse at aiminh for that reason too

[lethal lagoon]

More casual and laidback?

Hard no.

[tame venture]

Lmao at all this

[lethal lagoon]

And speaking of hard-

[hushed egret]

ye of course

[lethal lagoon]

Console players are not laidback in any universe

[tame venture]

Xbox live chat

I'll leave it at that

[hushed egret]

on average they 100% are and if you disagree you're blatantly ignorant

[lethal lagoon]

I think you can argue playstation players are laidback

Or nintendo players are

[analog agate]

Did I just come into a conversation about someone saying a controller WITHOUT aim assist is good for darktide?

[lethal lagoon]

Xbox?

No shot.

[analog agate]

Or just in general?

[spice veldt]

someone just arguing that there isn't a large difference in performance between KBM and non-aim assist controller

[cunning bone]

Id rather kms then turn off aim assist

Literally only thing allowing me to use voidstrike

[tame venture]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1148002105609691286/1166209240642363412/cat_stupid.gif?ex=6549a7fe&is=653732fe&hm=9b8ddb9fc7ec732c87a322e7fcfa97cc478681201aa4e67b0644b96c29e6a277&

[hushed egret]

any console players are more laidback. they can play on a couch and lean back, something pc players cant do. setting up games is more complicated on pc, and making sure your pc can even run certain games takes more research on the players part. console players can literally plug and play. in no universe can you possibly believe in truth that console players as a whole arent more casual than pc players

[analog agate]

Maybe if someone can use gyro well. I won’t put stock in anyone saying using a controller without AA is anywhere near as good as a mouse

[spice veldt]

oh yeah gyro

i forgot that's a thing in the 2020s now

[hushed egret]

if you're good enough at aiming by base aim assist in most games just messes with your aim more than it helps, scientifically backed as I've listed before

[lethal lagoon]

I can't believe someone is calling the national home of the n-word and f-word laidback, I don't even know where to start.
That same fact also means consoles are more accessible to people with no jobs.

[hushed egret]

of course for more casual or less skilled players aa is just an upgrade, but it eventually crubes downward into incorrecting your aim instead of correcting it

[tame venture]

I've literally gone on 4cgan hosted tf2 severs for days and been okay, but when at a friend's house and tried playing MW3 and didn't make 10 minutes until someone dropped a hard R

And then there's FIFA players punching tvs

[hushed egret]

consoles are home to more of the working class actually

[analog agate]

Do any pro controller players use a controller without AA on any fps game?

[spice veldt]

and then there's stuff like recoil control

[umbral helm]

casual racism vs competitive

[hushed egret]

they probably dont use controllers to begin with

[analog agate]

Yes they do. Apex and cod.

[hushed egret]

tf2 vs cod. there's your difference

[tame venture]

Nah, 4chan vs society

[hushed egret]

Overwatch's toxicity exploded on Xbox when they inteoduced crossplay, and it was from the people typing in chat which believe it or not is the pc playerbase

[tame venture]

nobody can type on chat on a console

[hushed egret]

also aa can be mastered, but for anyone but the very best is going to be much more effort than it's worth

[hushed egret]

have you tried texting with console? it's 5x slower than pc, minimum, even if you're good with it

[spice veldt]

rip voice chat

[tame venture]

Sounds like an issue of skill

[hushed egret]

text chat is hardly even used by console players

[analog agate]

I just can’t take you seriously. I also have a feeling I have been playing with a controller since before you were born

[tame venture]

If controllers are so good they why can't they operate an alphabet?

[hushed egret]

they can, but more slowly

because they cant just press a letter on the controller, they have to make several inputs per letter

[tame venture]

So they are an inferior interface then?

[hushed egret]

I did in fact say that multiple times already

my whole arguement has been that they arent terrible

[lethal lagoon]

Also, didn't overwatch consider stuff like saying "nice try" to the enemy team toxic?

[hushed egret]

controllers can still perform well

[tame venture]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1148002105609691286/1166209240642363412/cat_stupid.gif?ex=6549a7fe&is=653732fe&hm=9b8ddb9fc7ec732c87a322e7fcfa97cc478681201aa4e67b0644b96c29e6a277&

[lethal lagoon]

No one's arguing that, we are arguing the relative difference, I think, at least I am.

[hushed egret]

idk what the game does for toxicity, I'm just talking from what I saw in chats

[hushed egret]

it started with dumb pc master race "cant aim for shit on controller" discussion

[hushed egret]

also you're comtributing nothing with these gifs except proving my toxicity point pc player

[tame venture]

Well I once personally saw a console gamer perform 80,000 racism per minute

[hushed egret]

that exists

[tame venture]

Clearly the case is settled

[lethal lagoon]

What's 80,000 racism per minute, the potential lawsuit?

[umbral helm]

it's what 40k will eventually turn into

[tame venture]

Technically that's what it's supposed to be

Wait no

[lethal lagoon]

Is 40k "racist", I thought it just was speciesist with a minority fan group that's racist.

[tame venture]

It's when you have an instance of dawn of war and rouge trader running at the same time

[potent echo]

I don't think they have any concept of race anymore

[lethal lagoon]

That was my assumption

[potent echo]

Just humans, abhumans and mutants

And xenos scum

[tame venture]

If course they do
Orks so it all the time when wars aren't going.

Gotta keep the truks speedy

[lethal lagoon]

Clearly, the fault in human society is that we have no xenoos scum to pour all our hatred onto 😡

[potent echo]

Unironically true

[umbral helm]

"she said I was racist, she's right. and I'm gonna win"

[tame venture]

https://tenor.com/view/accele-racers-nolo-hot-wheels-angry-gif-15135383

[hushed egret]

why is the "s" used in the singular form

[potent echo]

No one says scums

[hushed egret]

no, "xenos"

[tame venture]

...cums?

[hushed egret]

singular should be xeno

[potent echo]

Xeni?

[lethal lagoon]

Xenos is a descriptor.

I think

[tame venture]

Xenu

[potent echo]

Xtwitter

[lethal lagoon]

You can say Xenos, but you can also say some group is Xenos.

[tame venture]

Womxn

[hushed egret]

pretty sure xeno is the descriptor roughly meaning aliens

idk I just find it weird

[lethal lagoon]

In 40k? I dunno, I've never heard xeno

[hushed egret]

maybe it's just some inconsistencies with a few things

[tame venture]

Do you say Lego or Legos?

[potent echo]

Write a letter to Dan Abnet

[hushed egret]

lego singular legos plural

[potent echo]

I forgot how to write his name

[hushed egret]

you dont call a lego brick a legos brick

[lethal lagoon]

Xenos is both plural and singular

Xeno isn't a thing

[hushed egret]

which is weird

[umbral helm]

legolas

[lethal lagoon]

Fish

[tame venture]

The company officially states that Lego is singular and plural

[hushed egret]

very well

[lethal lagoon]

Since when do we listen to companies

[hushed egret]

true

[lethal lagoon]

I'm calling it legos

[tame venture]

When they make lego

[umbral helm]

legos my eggos

[tame venture]

https://vxtwitter.com/MaxKriegerVG/status/1742999280963465673

[lethal lagoon]

I don't think the board room execs who made that stupid statement make anything.

[tame venture]

iirc it's really old

And based on their linguistics

[lethal lagoon]

😡

[tame venture]

You don't say "have funs" do you?

[lethal lagoon]

I will from now on

[tame venture]

Instead you should be saying have funds

[hushed egret]

I cant think of a situation where fun would be plural tbh

[lethal lagoon]

If you are a child playing with legos and your parent takes them away cause it's late, everyone of them said "Give me back my legos"

Language changes based on mass use

That's why googling is a word

[tame venture]

Gyatt is not and never will be a real word

[lethal lagoon]

Webster about to ruin your day

[tame venture]

Ill never forgive you for this

[hushed egret]

[lethal lagoon]

Gyatt comes from "God damn" right?

[hushed egret]

especially english. it's very easy to make words up in english. they dont have to be in the dictionary to make sense even

[potent echo]

I was only funning 💀

[tame venture]

I honestly don't know at this point

[half iron]

that is so level L rizz ong fr

[lethal lagoon]

no stack on cap frfr

[tame venture]

https://youtu.be/xs_OxX5TEW8

[lethal lagoon]

Gyatt damn

[tame venture]

https://tenor.com/view/biboo-koseki-bijou-bijou-vtuber-dancing-gif-1367729004756679047

Ah, psyker chat

[lethal lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/bedge-pepe-sleep-gif-24023312

You are all just figments of my dream

[potent echo]

California girls, we're unforgettable

[tame venture]

Daisy dukes

[lethal lagoon]

Bikinis on top

[tame venture]

Sunkist in

[potent echo]

Did y'all see the imperium girls version

[tame venture]

The singer wasn't great ngl

[potent echo]

True

It's great theme song for my rogue trader harem

[tame venture]

Oh I wish I could forget them

https://tenor.com/view/troll-trollge-reverse-troll-sad-troll-reverse-gif-19858090

[lethal lagoon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDfJn1kcQuU

[haughty star]

SO QUICK QUESTION

[hushed egret]

quick answer

[haughty star]

for warp syphon

[lethal lagoon]

Go ahead, what a rude guy, saying no

[hushed egret]

tomato

[tame venture]

Potato

[haughty star]

do the stack effects like empyrean empowerment apply to while you have the stacks

or after you discharge them

[lethal lagoon]

Only when you have them

Yes it's not the best design to lose a huge damage bonus just to use your ability, but that's psyker

[haughty star]

oh so it would be a more base damage-ish alternative to disrupt destiny?

if set up correctly

[hushed egret]

your keystones arent supposed to be good so ability or buffs choose

[lethal lagoon]

I just wish we could turn off the CDR

Yes, if you don't spam your abilty warp siphon is a more reliable damage bonus than DD

You also get -36% peril reduc potentially

[haughty star]

so for like melee psyker with a force sword it'll be a good pairing with scriars gaze?

i like disrupt

but its so gamblish in damnation lol

[hushed egret]

DD would be much higher damage even without the 30 stacks modifier but warp siphon doesnt rely on randomly marked targets so I guess it technically is more reliable

also for less points

and still good peril quell

[haughty star]

does that apply to scriars?

so longer scriars?

[hushed egret]

ye

[haughty star]

oooo that might be a fun alt to try

[lethal lagoon]

For a melee meme build?

DD is better

[hushed egret]

any and all quelling sources affect scriers, including the -20% in its own tree

[lethal lagoon]

It applies to scirer's but keep in mind you lose all stacks to cast scier's

So if you don't get them back fast enough the impact is miminal

[haughty star]

idk if it's memey lol it's pretty strong with DD on it

it's just gambly

[hushed egret]

do you lose war siphon stacks on activation or when it ends? because cooldown doesnt start until it ends if I'm not mistaken

[lethal lagoon]

On acitivation.

And you also get no CDR cause it's bugged lmao

[hushed egret]

lmao

[haughty star]

wait what

the keystone or scriars is?

[hushed egret]

I was thinking of a scriers war siphon build. good to know it doesnt work atm

[hushed egret]

the combo

[haughty star]

that's big ghey

[hushed egret]

[haughty star]

thanks for the heads up lol

[hushed egret]

can still do that scriers dd build though

[haughty star]

yeah im using it im thinking of dropping the 30 stack perk for the 30s one

just more consistent

[hushed egret]

30s is nice for flexibility

[haughty star]

i also need to get rid of deflector but its nice for when i charge my way out of the horde into a pack of gunners or some shit

[hushed egret]

I havent really used dd, but tbh whenever I grab it, it's not for the damage buff, I just want the toughness, move speed, and quell chance

[haughty star]

also gibs sniper shots at no cost for no reason whatsoever

i have BR on there just to have something to help with bossing

[hushed egret]

what's br?

[haughty star]

figure if i'm ramping my peril up all the time for damage buffs the others are likely not great choices lol

brain rupture

[hushed egret]

ah ye

[haughty star]

i always call it brain burst

[hushed egret]

burst is nice

[haughty star]

it's just easy consistent fuck you from around a corner damage

[hushed egret]

whenever I dont take it, I find myself struggling to damage monstrosities

most of my builds are more cc oriented though, so partially my fault

[haughty star]

i do brain burst venting shriek and empowered psyonics usually and just use the blessing that increases power on peril and the one from the skill tree that does the same for melee damage

this scriers build is hilarious tho lol

[hushed egret]

I have too many builds to say "what I use"

[haughty star]

the "We have a zealot at home" build

[hushed egret]

made like 20 different ones so far on my main save and making a second psyker for 5 more loadout slots

[tame venture]

Honestly I always felt like it barely does anything to em

Shooting or melee always seemed more effective

[haughty star]

its consistent safe fairly heavy damage

[tame venture]

Seemed like tickling to me

[lethal lagoon]

Am I the only who constantly deletes his loadouts cause he likes making fresh builds?

Also second psyker meta

I did mine for melk rolls

[clear bridge]

Melkbucks...

Gamers

[hushed egret]

nope

[clear bridge]

Greetings - I wish to make a Psyker

[hushed egret]

remade so many loadoits

[clear bridge]

Any initial recommendations for a brand new Psyker?

[lethal lagoon]

Once I hit like 5-6 loadouts, I just delete them all and make a fresh one for whatever I wanna run

[clear bridge]

A new, crazed German man, ready to save the galaxy from the forces of stinky men?

[hushed egret]

female character. the male voices are kinda just worse in all cases

[lethal lagoon]

French Psyker is Leliana from Dragon Age

[hushed egret]

french psyker and the female alternative to the german are great

[lethal lagoon]

Don't level with smite, you'll develop bad habits.

[hushed egret]

so savant and loner I think?

[lethal lagoon]

The staves get way better when they are at higher levels because their speed and cost is changed by stats

[clear bridge]

I like the Dreamer both on male and female

...ooooo alright

Is gun psyker actually the play on low levels?

[lethal lagoon]

Melee psyker is the play

[drifting violet]

Staff special psyker

My favorite play

[hushed egret]

use whatever you want but ye

[lethal lagoon]

Nah, you can do whatever, I'm just letting you know the staves get way better

It's not like other classes, they change dramatically

[spice veldt]

mostly the trauma staff

cuz the stat scaling on it is bonkers

and it's the first staff you get, for some reason

[lethal lagoon]

Trauma staff being the first unlock is the reason why I basically only used BB to level my psyker back in beta

It was largely seen as the worst staff for a long time too

[hushed egret]

tbh my biggest recommendation is actually one for all classes, but remember your dodges and blocks and pushes. they're extremely useful, especially with psyker being the saran wrap played class

[spice veldt]

an actual travesty that it's the first staff you unlock

[hushed egret]

highest skill ceiling of the 4 and most reliant on being high level

trauma is so underrated

[lethal lagoon]

"Oh boy what a cool staff. Wait... why does it use 50% peril and doesn't even kill a mob at full charge?"

[haughty star]

try things while you level

[spice veldt]

i only initially used the trauma staff because of quietitude memes with the 47% peril generation it had

and then I realized that the staff was actually pretty good with max stats

[hushed egret]

yeah I gave it a tey at high level and realized it absolutely fucks

[haughty star]

i have a really nice surge staff that i've done nothing with

[hushed egret]

hot take? strongest staff if you use it right

[lethal lagoon]

Is that a hot take on this channel?

[hushed egret]

idk

[drifting violet]

That’s the coldest take I’ve seen

[hushed egret]

havent been in here til today

but seems most people think trauma is dog

[drifting violet]

Literally trauma is praised by a lot of people here

[spice veldt]

prob other forums

[lethal lagoon]

Oh, were you on reddit or steam forums?

[hushed egret]

awesome

[lethal lagoon]

They are hilarious

[spice veldt]

i haven't been on other forums but trauma is well received here

[hushed egret]

no, but I dont see it hardly ever in matches and a couple videos I saw called it not worth using

[lethal lagoon]

The only good youtubers for darktide post 30 minute quiet gameplay clips.

[hushed egret]

trauma supremacy

[spice veldt]

prob people who confound their dislike of trauma's mechanisms with its actual performance

i get why people would not like to use the trauma, but you really can't deny that it works

[lethal lagoon]

Trauma aiming does hurt my eyes, but the 1-2 games I can play with it before it's too much, it fucks.

[hushed egret]

I love that it follows a grwnade arc for the placement too

it's so nice

[lethal lagoon]

Trauma flicks

[clear bridge]

Surge staff seems really cool

I want that Palpatine grindset

[lethal lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

Surge EP smite is my comfert food for when I wanna top frag a match with 0 effort or braincells

[hushed egret]

pointing at the floor makes it more difficult to aim where you want the further the target is since minor movement have greater impacts on location. but with a grenade arc you dont have that problem

also you can arc it to places you cant even see which is amazing

[final bison]

Good evening

I need help with the PERFECT ILISI sword for Psyker

I run Purgatus build 1 and Surge staff build 2

Here 3 promising Ilisis

Help me with what are the top perks and blessings for ILISI (not Deimos)

[lethal lagoon]

Illy is kind of pointless on Purg, but go for it.

[final bison]

Its more for my surge staff build

[drifting violet]

Haven’t used illis in a bit, but slaughter should be an anchor blessing for the weapon

Anything else is more personal preference

Like deflector, etc

[lethal lagoon]

Maniac, whatever for perks
Slaughter Uncanny for blessings

[final bison]

Does ilisi benefits from Uncanny Strike like Deimos do?

[lethal lagoon]

Deflector salughter is good too

[haughty star]

what is slaughter do?

[final bison]

With warp strike and all

[drifting violet]

8% more power for kills, stacks 5 times

[final bison]

And what is the attack pattern for Ilisi

[haughty star]

sweeps

followed by

more sweeps

[final bison]

Deimos is

Light > Heavy Theust

[haughty star]

good for exploiting many weakspots at once as it's pretty flat

[lethal lagoon]

light spam or use special heavies.

[haughty star]

illisi is honestly probably my favorite melee weapon in the game so far and i don't even got a good one

[final bison]

Light > Light > Light? (Ilisi)

[drifting violet]

Pretty much

[final bison]

Or Light > Heavy > Light?

[haughty star]

it's all sweeps light or heavy doesn't matter

whatever you feeling you need at the time lol

[final bison]

There is a head slicing combo in Ilisi

Im sure of it

That mixes inputs

[haughty star]

this gud to try out surge force?

it's off to a bad start lol

[drifting violet]

Gamble and find out

[final bison]

So

Sword 1 2 or 3?

Notice I only have 2 Hadrons for each

Sword 1 has shitty perks (but 4% ceit melee)

Sword 2 has 8% specialist melee@damage and lv 4 uncanny atrike

Sword 3 is25% unyielsing and 15% block perks

[haughty star]

never used surge what blessings do i watch out for

[haughty star]

first target and finesse are really important imo

lot of multipliers to feed the base damages through on psyker

[final bison]

For Ilisi?

I rhought first target is shitty for hordes

[haughty star]

first target is never shitty lol it doesn't cost you anything

[final bison]

Explain

[haughty star]

it just effects how much damage it does vs your first thing you hit

[spice veldt]

first target is nice for first target damage

[haughty star]

it doesn't take away horde damage lol

[spice veldt]

just that, on the illisi, first target is bugged to not affect the special attacks

[drifting violet]

Any dmg modifiers is better then mobility lol

[haughty star]

i'd try to roll with one with shit warp resist

[final bison]

By special you mean Heavy or Warp Strike?

[haughty star]

that's what i got and i love it

[spice veldt]

the warp strike

[haughty star]

warp strike lol, it's special attack

[spice veldt]

i'd roll one with high warp res

being able to spam the special > peril gen for warp rider

[haughty star]

i tested it and it's like a 2 percent resistance per charge between a 60 and a 80 warp resist

[final bison]

So what is the dimp stat agter all?

[haughty star]

it's not a stave lol

[spice veldt]

the warp res scales from 45% to 5% on force swords

60% warp res would be 21% peril and 80% warp res would be 13% peril

[final bison]

So what is Ilisi dump stat?

[drifting violet]

Mobility lol

[spice veldt]

i'd dump mobility personally

[final bison]

I see

Why lol?

[drifting violet]

Dmg is more important then being speedy

[spice veldt]

mobility is whatever and once you're past the point of psword dodges, you don't really care about dodge distance

[haughty star]

on a psyker meleeing speed is pretty damn important lol

[lunar hollow]

my 60% first target illisi will be in shambles if they ever fix the bug

[haughty star]

what's the bug

[final bison]

What is the bug?

[lunar hollow]

_ _

[spice veldt]

first target doesn't affect special attacks

regardless of your first target stat, the first target hit by your special attack takes the same amount of damage

[final bison]

So

What are the 2 perfect perks

And the 2 perfect blessings for ILISI

[drifting violet]

Slaughter is an anchor blessing for illis

[shy prairie]

bloodthirsty blazing spirit creates a party trick sword, let the galaxy burn

[drifting violet]

Other blessings are more personal preference like deflector for defense, and Uncanny Strike for more dmg towards armored type enemies. Something like that

For perks, flak + Maniac

[haughty star]

i run unstable and deflector personally and lean on unstable and warp rider when my scriars is down to complement DD

[final bison]

How would ilisi build unstable power on. Surge staff build?

Uncanny Strike I thought it was a Deimos thing for single target and bosses

Was I wrong?

[haughty star]

i run gunker so i aint got nothing that hurts my peril other than bb for bossing

[final bison]

You feel unstable power benefits you more on your gunker than Deflextor

Or Superiority

Or Uncanny Strike?

[haughty star]

i have deflector and unstable

[lethal lagoon]

Guns are top DPS for bosses though?

[lyric crow]

is there ever a use case for lmb fire on the surge force staff?
its so bad compared to the fast charging rmb

[lethal lagoon]

Lmb with auto-fire mod is good for far away snipers/bombers

Just pop a headshot or two

[lyric crow]

that is true

but other than that is there a purpose?

[haughty star]

if i wanna trash through all my ammo sure lol

i use my gun as a fallback

melee is my main focus for psyker rn

[lethal lagoon]

That's why you have assail

To cover ammo

Assail is also good for melee builds for when you dumpster yourself into a terrible spot

[haughty star]

i think literally every assail psyker i've ever played with has popped at least once

[lethal lagoon]

And every smite player I've played with ends the game with like 200k damage 🤷‍♂️

[haughty star]

columnus chews me out of a corner in a pretty expedited fashion

[lethal lagoon]

Doesn't change my 700k-800k runs with smite focus

True, columbus is bae

[lyric crow]

imagine using smite to do damage

[lethal lagoon]

Surge EP smite is for when I want to turn off my brain and go brr

[drifting violet]

Just curious, is there any utility in which the special action for staffs is useful?

[lethal lagoon]

It's get boring SUPER fast

[haughty star]

bruh there are some pretty insane smite builds out there lol kinda annoying actually when i'm running empowered BR

[lethal lagoon]

And it has virtually no skill

[spice veldt]

smite rework one day to make it fun

[tame venture]

Staggering something in your face? Iirc it has lots of cleave but no damage

[lethal lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[tame venture]

But ultimately it's literally useless

[lethal lagoon]

Yes please

I'd run smite 10x more if it had even a modicum of skill required

Smite "cancels" to retarget your first targets is about as much skill as you can get but it's not even close to needed.

[drifting violet]

I wish there was some other use for it besides meme builds lol

[tame venture]

Meme builds are funny tho

[lethal lagoon]

Staff special is wasted keybind that should have a cool attack instead 😡

[drifting violet]

Fair lol. Been thinking of doing it

Just to see how long I last

[tame venture]

Ngl I'm tempted to make a LMB only staff. Purg and otherwise

[haughty star]

i love bash perk on guns

just that quick boof to push em back reloading or whatever

[tame venture]

Yeah! They could have a flashlight

[lethal lagoon]

Someone said staff LMB on surge was good for horde clear, I so I wanna try that out, maybe void instead with surge blessing.

[haughty star]

[lethal lagoon]

Peril-light 🙂

Your eyes start shining and it gives no real light.

Still better than bonk

[ionic needle]

Pauses your automatic peril quelling

[haughty star]

i just roll with so much peril all the time that the glow of my unholy presence lights the way

[final bison]

What are the Surge Staff dump stat?

[haughty star]

3

[lethal lagoon]

There isn't one, just go for a 370+ staff with high damage high charge rate.

[lethal lagoon]

^

[tame venture]

Surge wants everything as close to level

[haughty star]

so that one i posted is good for "trying out"

[final bison]

I see

[haughty star]

dis man right here

[final bison]

What are Surge Stafg 2 perfect perks and 2 perfect blessings?

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, everything above 70

That first roll is super dookie though lmao

[haughty star]

yeah

[lethal lagoon]

Surge is super friendly to roll though, you might be fine

I'd upgrade it anyways

[tame venture]

Blessings though

Run&gun 500 times

[final bison]

Still

I wish to know ehat are rhe best regardless of friendliness

[drifting violet]

TB lol

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, it has 5, one of which you can't really roll on 370s

[ionic needle]

The difference between 73 and 80 damage isn't too bad on it

[haughty star]

im gonna wait till sir milk gives me a god tieer one

[lethal lagoon]

Run'N'Gun Terrible barrage till the end of days 🙂

[lethal lagoon]

That will literally never happen

[tame venture]

milk
Giving out grolls

[haughty star]

the quell lol

[lethal lagoon]

Melk is for collecting t4s

[ornate hamlet]

Run and gun is unironically pretty okay

[ionic needle]

Eh, just go with warp charges and you get 30% extra for free

[haughty star]

hey fuck off i had milkman give me grade 4 surgical for revolver my beloved

[ornate hamlet]

Only problem it has is people generally want to use guns for longer ranges

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah that's what I said

[ornate hamlet]

And I bet Fatshark still hasn't given it the actual accurate description of what it does

Despite them changing the blessing

[haughty star]

they just don't know about the forbidden fruit

the mystery rolls

[drifting violet]

Doesn’t run and gun have a hidden mechanic that doesn’t explain in its description?

[ornate hamlet]

Close range damage and hipfire accuracy

[ionic needle]

I actually got my +3 stam curio from mystery rolls, only had to spend like 7000 melk bucks for it

[lethal lagoon]

Uh huh sure. Now upgrade that Surge so we can make fun of you when Hadron bricks it.

NOW

[ornate hamlet]

They added it somewhat kinda maybe recently and didn't bother updating the description

[haughty star]

am out of plasteel

[lethal lagoon]

[ornate hamlet]

Because editing a string is too hard

[final bison]

I did not understand what you folks said

What are the best perks and beat blessings for SURGE staff?

Disconsider its friendliness, whats best in slot in your opinion

[haughty star]

it's time for bed

my buddy just rolled out a 548 illyses

[lethal lagoon]

Flak, Maniac, Flurry, Nexus

Maniac can be swapped with 5% crit, unyielding

Flak is BiS

[ornate hamlet]

Oh look at me, I'm Fatshark and can't change the value on bespoke_blessing_whatever_thesenuts to be "sprint and shoot plus close range damage plus hipfire accuracy"

[ionic needle]

Mine has flak/elite and it works pretty well

[lethal lagoon]

Flak is the most important

[ionic needle]

Yeah

[lethal lagoon]

The other one doesn't really matter

[tame venture]

Surge would be the staff to make a LMB only build, right?
Dump charge rate?

[drifting violet]

Flak + Maniac. Name a more iconic duo

[haughty star]

Cursed image of a image

[ionic needle]

If I went with an lmb only build I'd go with purgatus

[lethal lagoon]

I'm partial to surge blessing and blazing spririt for an LMB build, but Surge probably has the highest DPS for lmb.

[final bison]

Lmb?

[drifting violet]

Left mouse button

[lethal lagoon]

It's a meme build.

[final bison]

Ah the psy attack

[ionic needle]

Another meme build would be to run bleed knife, fire laspistol and creeping flames. Three dots at once!!

[tame venture]

I know those exist, and are apparently alright,but this is gonna be a dumb meme

[haughty star]

Scriar's and DD Melee Gunker is not a cursed meme build

[tame venture]

Isn't surge blessing for RMB only?

[lethal lagoon]

It originally only worked on LMB since beta

They eventually fixed it for void

Unless I'm confused, it definitely works for lmb

[ionic needle]

What about lmb voidstrike with surge, transfer peril and gaze? Sounds pretty memey

[lethal lagoon]

Huh, top tier meme right there

[drifting violet]

This is a fun build to try out

[umbral helm]

on controller too for the aim assist

[drifting violet]

I highly recommend it

[haughty star]

Begin rant

[ionic needle]

Oh look what I got, gotta try that out now

[haughty star]

Playing Hell Let Loose the guys in squad chat were all whining that it's cross play now and scrubs with aim assist were gonna be playing now.

When I was a console pleb we all worried that KBM turbo aim would fuck us up in cross play lol

Just funny to have seen things from both sides

[ionic needle]

This might work out actually

[lethal lagoon]

Maybe swap -20% peril reduc for the weakspot thingy in SG?

Cause you have transfer peril anyways

[ionic needle]

shit

blew up

[lethal lagoon]

[tame venture]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-crying-emoji-laugh-cry-emoji-cry-laugh-emoji-gif-19935705

[haughty star]

This is what I'm shooting for

No pun intended

[tame venture]

whenever a game i was playing got crossplay the concern was that console players would end up being mini aimbots

[haughty star]

Focusing on using the Allisys for general use, Columbus for blasting out of oh shit spots and taking down shooters, and bb for bb shenanigans like corner popping tricky snipers or bombers

[lethal lagoon]

Sustainted fire is shit

[haughty star]

What do in it's place

[lethal lagoon]

Fire fwenzy

[plush oak]

Id go the other way on scriers gaze and also use the cdr aura, its so much more value overall than the crit aura

[lethal lagoon]

Also if you are going deflector, grab slaughterer

[lethal lagoon]

He's running lmb surge blessing with transfer peril, that 5% crit aura is huge

[plush oak]

You already crit so much from everything else combined

[cosmic sigil]

weed and doritos

[plush oak]

More uptime on scriers gaze > than 5% crit

[haughty star]

I'm using my high peril from scriers combined with warp rider to complement dd for downtime

[plush oak]

Also more uptime on everyones active in the match > 5% crit

[haughty star]

Then I just maintain it with charge timing

[lethal lagoon]

brother it's a meme build, I don't think his teammates matter to him in the slightest

[plush oak]

Idk how thats a meme build, its actually pretty good (id go.bubble with it but to each their own)

[lethal lagoon]

He's doing LMB only

That's the point of the build haha

[plush oak]

Oh haha

[haughty star]

Holeee shit slaughterer would be downright bloodthirsty with unstable

[lethal lagoon]

Keep in mind rending also gives an all around buff

So slaughter uncanny

[haughty star]

Eh I have unstable IV and my peril is only lower than 80 percent with sword charges if umma go into scriers

Shame cuz I almost wanted to cannibalize deflector off of it but maybe I should just git gud

Deflector really cool tho I'll prolly make another with deflector and slaughterer if I ever see deflector iv again

[lethal lagoon]

Here's muh baby, ignore the perks, I was messing around in the pysch.

[haughty star]

How does rending compute out compared to power?

Like isn't power impact finesse and damage

[lethal lagoon]

Depends on the target, salughterer is definitely the clear meta unless you are trying to donk crushers or something.

I don't know what the bonus is for like a maniac rager

But it exists

[haughty star]

I'm not worried about hordes or other specialists

It's the crushers and ragers that make things hairy

[lethal lagoon]

mk4 dueling sword is the typical pairing for columbus 5

which shreds crushers

and ragers

[haughty star]

Yee but those damn hordes lol

[lethal lagoon]

Assail

[haughty star]

Maybe some day. I love the illyses rn tho. Legit probably my favorite melee experience in the game so far when I got all stacks of dd going and scriar going

[lethal lagoon]

When Illy first dropped, it came with deflector by default

I ran melee-only psyker for weeks till they fixed it.

[haughty star]

Just an unstoppable force when the dd smiles upon you

Oof

[lethal lagoon]

I ended up quitting the game till patch 13 when they fixed my baby

I think the force swords were meant to have deflector, and fatshark is known for copy pasting code. So that's probably why they released with innate deflector lmao

[haughty star]

Is the sniper thing a bug?

[ionic needle]

Alright, results

[lethal lagoon]

Sniper through deflector?

No

[haughty star]

No

Deflector stops them at 0 cost

[ionic needle]

Damnation enclavum baross with high intensity dogs

I exploded five times

I am not a good scrier's gaze user

[lethal lagoon]

Wait it does that now? Huh

That seems like a bug lmao

[haughty star]

I sat in front of one and tanked 3 shots at 0 peril cost

[lethal lagoon]

5?

[ionic needle]

FIVE

[lethal lagoon]

Alll things considered, decent damage.

[ionic needle]

I got too much into the LMB spam

I think it's actually viable with some practice

I'm also shit at clicking heads so yeah, practice and it's good

[lethal lagoon]

That boss damage is hilarious when you consider that LMB damage is super nerfed on unyielding.

[ionic needle]

Yeah I was very surprised at chunking down the plogryn when surge proced

[haughty star]

More like PAWGryn

Nam saying

Dummy thicc

[lethal lagoon]

Did you get knocked back?

[haughty star]

No

Lol

[lethal lagoon]

Then it wasn't hitting you lmao

Probably aiming at a teammate

[haughty star]

Bruh it was aiming at me

[lethal lagoon]

Hmmm

Then a bug for sure

That is not an intended feature

[lethal lagoon]

How was the horde clear?

If you were good at head-popping, would it be respectable?

[ionic needle]

Pretty good actually, with gaze up and you just aim at head level it cleared them out pretty well

[haughty star]

I was on the mission where you hold the elevator to the next floor after doing the auspex thingy in that shady alleyway

[lethal lagoon]

Is surge blessing the play, or is surge staff still a good choice you think?

I kinda wanna meme too

[ionic needle]

I liked this, VS has both transfer and surge so building around it would be different than going with surge I think

Not sure though, surge has better LMB damage right?

[lethal lagoon]

Surge has "critical bonus", which results in more LMB damage yeah

[ionic needle]

Yeah but that's only like 15% crit damage or so?

Oh wait weakspot too right?

[lethal lagoon]

Uhh, it's 20% crit chance

I dunno what the damage is

[ionic needle]

It gives crit chance to LMB?

[lethal lagoon]

It should

[ionic needle]

Wait, gonna have a look

[lethal lagoon]

The wording is wrong btw, that's been tested for sure

[ionic needle]

Oh okay

[lethal lagoon]

Better off testing it in the pysch

to see how it hits lmb

[ionic needle]

Oh shit I'm late for work

[lethal lagoon]

See ya later LMB brother

[ionic needle]

Working from home and I'm home and I'm still late

God damn LMB

So this is what the tooltip says about it, can't see any primary action crit chance there but I guess where the tooltip is wrong is on the melee part?

[lethal lagoon]

Yes

[ionic needle]

That's pretty crazy

[lethal lagoon]

The melee is incorrect

[ionic needle]

Well, off to work now

[lethal lagoon]

I don't get why they never changed it, would probably take like 2 seconds lmao

[ionic needle]

Tooltips hard

So if crit bonus gives crit chance, why does the aetheneum say it's not good? The explanation only mentions crit damage which we all know isn't great, but this kind of changes thing. @near wyvern

[lethal lagoon]

It's a very small range for crit chance

Like 18 versus 20

Compared to the other stats, it doesn't matter that much

If we are to assume the perfect distribution(80,80,80,80,60)

Crit chance is additive with itself, so the more crit chance you have the less it matters.

[stone canyon]

Does it cost each time when you change those non-locked parts?

[lethal lagoon]

Yes, but I don't really need plasteel these days

Unless you count the anti-boss thunder hammer I've never been able to get because I can't even get tier 3 thrust what the actual fuck game seriously fuck

I think it's like 90 plasteel, I don't remember

Which is kind of a lot but it's not like I change them that often

[stone canyon]

Never gotten to live out the ultimate Darktide power fantasy 😔

[lethal lagoon]

I curse all your rolls to always be tier 3

[stone canyon]

Hey now, i havent gotten good thrust either for those hammers!

[lethal lagoon]

Oh, fellow bretheren

[stone canyon]

Which is why ive only tried out Crusher so far, im fresh to the game though

[lethal lagoon]

I curse all your rolls to only be tier 4 so you have too much plasteel

TBF, I don't play zealot that much.

[stone canyon]

I should atleast farm the Melk coins on it too now that im done with Psyker this week

[lethal lagoon]

Just make more psykers

Best part of 2 psykers is you don't sick of the voice

[ionic needle]

I tried thammer once on zealot and I hated it, not even gonna try getting a t4 thrust and do the oneshot boss thing

[lethal lagoon]

I literally could not hate thunder hammer more, it's a terrible weapon.

I just wanna one-shot a boss

And it makes the tens of thousands of plasteel I've blown on this mission 10x worse

[sonic herald]

same

hated thammer

[elfin roost]

Is this just a psyker thing? I hate thammer too

[sonic herald]

no im a zealot main rn lmao

[elfin roost]

"rn"

CONVERT TO WACKY WOOHOO MAGIC MAN NOW!!!

[sonic herald]

no psyker got boring to me

I haven't found a build for psyker that fits me so I haven't enjoyed it as much

i mained veteran, then psyker, and now zealot

Haven't tried ogryn yet

[elfin roost]

Rock ogryn is amazing

Here's a little tip, throw a rock at a charging mutant

[ionic needle]

I had a zealot main phase for a while, psyker keeps pulling me back though. There's too much variety.

I can go voidstrike shriek warp charges, purgatus shriek warp charges, trauma shriek warp charges. Truly endless possibilities in a single class.

[stone canyon]

Combat Axe Psyker?

[elfin roost]

Hell yeah

[ornate hamlet]

What's Enemy Hit Mass?

[elfin roost]

I think its what they count as for cleave

[stone canyon]

Brutal Momentum basicly does is if you oneshot the first target, then it can oneshot all 4 similar hit same time

Atleast thats how it is with my Zealot Heavy Sword

[elfin roost]

For instance, a crusher has a huge hitmass, most weapons just stop once they hit them

[ionic needle]

It's a measure of how cleavable they are. Different enemies have different values.

[elfin roost]

When you ignore hit mass, it just goes straight through

[lethal lagoon]

Psykers love thammer

[stone canyon]

Honestly wish i had gotten this Rashad on my Zealot instead, but could be fun to try out with Psyker

[lethal lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[elfin roost]

Pajama pants cowboy

[stone canyon]

Voidstrike is alright, but i secretly am hoping to roll really good Firetrauma staff and get more into that playstyle

[lethal lagoon]

Excuse me, I'm clearly MC hammer

[stone canyon]

Those are damn hard to reach though, i wonder what parts are something you could compromise a bit and still have it working?

I guess Blessings are atleast a must to be just right

[elfin roost]

WAIT OH MY GOD

[sweet whale]

Why are there so few recon lasgun psykers? It's such a fun build to play.

[lethal lagoon]

Honestly any 370+ blaze truama will work well.

Recon got nerfed out the butt and is super mid

Keep in mind plenty of us used it pre-nerf

[sweet whale]

I've used it since release. Haven't noticed a change?

[lethal lagoon]

Oof

[potent echo]

[lethal lagoon]

Maybe you were using the non-meta one lmao

Vld was OP as shit

[sweet whale]

Still burns everything faster than any staff I have?

[lethal lagoon]

That's... factually incorrect?

Are you just not level 30? or running t3s?

[potent echo]

Such bad faith statements

[lethal lagoon]

Indeed

[fierce kindle]

yeah was gonna ask how to you produce flames as a psyker

[sweet whale]

Trying to upgrade it, but it's hard.

Combining with True Aim.

[stone canyon]

How does it compare to Columnus V with similar gunker setup?

[lethal lagoon]

It doesn't.

[left dagger]

loner zealot runs off while we die, still good at shroud rez, other psyker only spam smite then goes idle so me and zealot votekicks him, what a clutch

[lethal lagoon]

My last run with a loner zealot he got trapped within the first 2 minutes of the game, got downed, died again to random stuff, backseated from his rez point, got trapped again and downed shortly after, got trapped and downed one final time before rage quitting.

He was also 500+ true level

Loner zealots lmao

[sweet whale]

Warp Charges and Scriers Gaze add to damage.

[lethal lagoon]

He also ran ahead and stealthed, leaving us with massive mixed hordes to deal with

I was so confused

How does he win any game?

[left dagger]

this loner zealot lets us 3 psyker fend off the plague ogrn, one purg psyker and me surge psyker does the job, while smite spam psyker goes down instantly. purg psyker quits, smite psyker goes idle. loner zealot and me kicks smite spammer idler psyker and beat the game. what a horrible experience

[sweet whale]

At least he isn't small enough to public shame other players.

[left dagger]

he runs ahead so much a second plague ogryn spawns on final event

[lethal lagoon]

"Public" breh.

Steam/reddit forums is probably more representative of the public unfortunately.

[sweet whale]

Whatever you need to feel better about yourself.

[lethal lagoon]

I don't think I publicially shamed anyone? o,O?

[stone canyon]

Not all criticism is there just for the ego, some of it is actually valid and to be used constructively. Darktide in particular there are plenty of stuff you should learn from your mistakes to get eventually better

[sweet whale]

In that case, would not the zealot thread be the place to vent?

[left dagger]

i was about to tell off the loner zealot but he actually rez and rushes the objective. its the smite spammer that is liability to team. granted loner zealot also let us fend off the plague ogryn by ourselves

[lethal lagoon]

zealot channel doesn't like loner dagger zealots either lmao

[stone canyon]

They love bleedstacking knives though

[left dagger]

at least this loner zealot speedruns objective, smite spammer costs games

if the purga psyker stickers with us he wouldve won too. ended up with 2 bots to body block for me and lone zealot

[plucky flax]

That's me

[sweet whale]

Cohesion wins games, meta builds just make it slightly easier. More boring, too, though.

[lethal lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/elden-ring-rykard-snake-gif-25916854

TOGETHHHA!!!

I don't mind zealots running ahead, I like it even, just don't be cringe.

Don't get trapped and don't use stealth to offload your aggro

[stone canyon]

I have always sticked close to team as zealot, but my patience is running thin on "kill 40 stunned enemies"

Might just grab knife and run half map ahead to finally get my own horde noone kills while im at 37 kills

[lethal lagoon]

Just use the flamer lmao

Or is it melee?

[stone canyon]

Ive tried that too in high intensity and what not, its just that i never get to kill those 40 in time before team jumps in also and wipes big chunk of em

[lethal lagoon]

I don't remember those old penances

[stone canyon]

Should probably just Custom Game, as i need to do that penance too

[sweet whale]

I think I got that at the radio tower, increased spawn rate. Was wading through a sea of mobs for almost 20 minutes.

[stone canyon]

So maybe my complain is that ive had too competent teams while trying to do it 🤷‍♂️

[lethal lagoon]

Magi and Hab Dreyko are two solid penance maps

That earliy long hallway, perfect for that stun penance

After the intro area, you have that curved long hallway on magi(assaination)

Super high densitity on aurics

[plucky flax]

When I'm on zealot I become a crack head.

The speed is too addicted.

[lethal lagoon]

But do you get trapped

[sweet whale]

That is why I enjoy Scrier's Gaze. 🙂 The dance and dakka.

[proven stirrup]

3 chasm terminus games

all three get wiped in the same fucking spot at the start of the mission

back to god damn back

All different players

Can't do this anymore.

[compact cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-boulder-gif-2070033727135676437

[proven stirrup]

Yeah that sure is apt

That what this whole thing feels like

[compact cargo]

Once enlightened we are forced to carry

[proven stirrup]

Shame I'm not good enough to do that.

I'm still struggling to dodge slide

[compact cargo]

With time it'll be second nature

[proven stirrup]

I need to rebind that shit but I can't find a spot that's comfortable

It's more about not being able to hit the button combo with out physical discomfort

[compact cargo]

Could rebind it to mouse 5 if you got side mouse buttons

[proven stirrup]

But for now, I meant what i said (accidentally) in general chat

[plucky flax]

Sometimes

[proven stirrup]

I'm done until something major lands to take the edge off these players being literally more dogshit than me

[plucky flax]

But quite rare. I try to put myself in a good position to not get body blocked.