psyker-class

[long wharf]

ruthless backstab + lacerate is the knife meta right now

[hot zephyr]

See that's where we differ. I use it for stacking weakspots to stack true-aim and MM before I unleash free RMB empowered assails

[orchid nest]

flesh tearer/uncanny is the go to combo with psyker. we have high crit with the builds that will use it and you have to not be using a precision weapon to the head for lacerate

[long wharf]

you can stack up so many bleed stacks that it doesn't matter that you aren't hitting weakspots

[hot zephyr]

So lacerate makes no sense

At least for me

since I am weakspot/crit focused on that build

[long wharf]

I don't even run knife with psyker

too many good melee options that I actually enjoy using

[orchid nest]

although you do preferably have flesh tearer 4 which will max stack in 2 crits, that one will do it in 3. takes no time really

[long wharf]

I'm not a fan of the combat knife style

[hot zephyr]

Anyways, point is I could actually run Ruthless Backstab 4 for 100% rending with no stacking, since this knife's primary purpose in the build is for boss DPS

BUT in doing so, I would lose my breakpoints for L1H2 combos for horde clear

Which is super useful when I pop SG with Warpspeed and +finesse damage

So it's a trade off

Crit/Unyielding/Flesh-Tearer gives me good enough boss DPS to stack bleeds while my peril drops, then I can pop SG and grip-n-rip the columnus for burst damage to chunk the boss

And then the rest of my build is focused around warp rider and malific momentum with empowered assail

It's crazy high APM, but I'm also a crazy person who needs more keys to mash at all times, so it works well for me

[long wharf]

you inspired me.

with my ogryn, I just push one button and then aim while holding another button down

that's it, boss killed

[brisk grove]

we appreciate your service

[long wharf]

so, two actions.

[hot zephyr]

Extra rations for you, love shouty

[long wharf]

I really enjoy the gun ogryn

[orchid nest]

the worst part is you don't even need to be a gunlugger. my ogryn with 3b club kills a monstrosity about just as fast as my psyker while constantly staggering them and taking no damage from them. I could probably fight 3 non weakened ones all at the same time on him with enough space

[plush oak]

gungryn

[long wharf]

almost as much as I enjoy psyker

plasma vet comes in third

[hot zephyr]

Yeah psyker's real strength is just wrecking everything smaller than an ogryn chassis in seconds

[long wharf]

yep

psykers wrecks face

and can still stagger-lock the big baddies

[brisk grove]

ogryn smash big guy, psyker melt little guys

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, leave the big guys to the big guy

I'll shred the adds

[brisk grove]

although, i do like taking care of them as thunder hammer zealot

[long wharf]

it's still fun to turn an oncoming horde into a cascading wave of blood with the stubber

[hot zephyr]

I do appreciate the hilarity of all the ragdolls on crusher/hammer zealots

[long wharf]

the only thing I don't do enough of with my ogryn is throw rocks

[hot zephyr]

Just flying bodies everywhere

[long wharf]

can't do that as gunlugger 😢

[brisk grove]

one-shotting a charging mutant and seeing him fly 50 feet

[hot zephyr]

I miss Pox Hound Space Program

That was a great bug

[long wharf]

hitting specialists with rocks is the best

[brisk grove]

on damnation depending if i get a crit or not i can hit a mutant once with brain burst and then one heavy attack from my sword can sometimes send him flying

[long wharf]

the Pox Hound Space Program has moved on to become the International Pox Hound Airline

they still go flying, just not as high

[hot zephyr]

Lol, I'm imagining the git commit comment on that.

Couldn't figure out why the f*** the hounds go flying, but i changed the physics of it so they only fly about 10 feet high now!

[long wharf]

I mean, if FartShack used git, they wouldn't have the regression issues they do

constantly.

also, every single commit would start with "Not sure why X was happening..."

FartShack devs really don't understand their own codebase

[hexed geyser]

FINNALLY. Worst penance so far

[long wharf]

can't really blame them when it's all Lua

[long wharf]

congrats, never again

[hot zephyr]

Well, that's different. They are probably coding in highly optimized C like most FPS engines, and that stuff is geuinely hard to trace

[brisk grove]

i think i got that one on accident

[long wharf]

no, they aren't.

Darktide's core engine is the same engine behind Vermintide

it has a C++ core, but all game logic and objects are in Lua

[orchid nest]

it's funny and sad how warp battery went from being so easy to legit hard with the class rework

[long wharf]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code

[queen fog]

Kills for warp charge VS warp charges on elite/specialist kill, I can see why it got way harder

[long wharf]

Aussiemon on the Darktide Modder discord very nicely maintains that github of Darktide's Lua source

I throw up in my mouth a little bit every time I start digging through it

[hot zephyr]

It's not terrible, but definitely looks like the bastard child of python and C++

[long wharf]

it's Lua

[hot zephyr]

I know, I'm just saying it feels like

[long wharf]

if you're not familiar with Lua, it's a scripting language designed for absolute type flexibility

it was never designed for large-scale projects

it has zero OOD principles

[brisk grove]

oh so like javascript

[hot zephyr]

Javascript is.... special....

[long wharf]

it's a nightmare for consistency, made worse exponentially with the size of the codebase

[ionic needle]

Lua is also 1-indexed instead of 0 like almost every other language, haha

Learned that the ahrd way

[long wharf]

and that tells you all you need to know about Lua being an actual programming language

[umbral helm]

could be worse, could be zomboid that runs Lua and Java simultaneously, resulting in some of the more spaghetti code interactions I've ever seen, like interacting with the context menu in-game causing an action to use twice an item's durability than doing it manually, because it's doing double the instances of that action

[orchid nest]

lol yeah zomboid is a mess behind the scenes. really fun game though

[hot zephyr]

Could be worse, know how many times I've had to explain to junior devs trying to work with timestamps in javascript that 0 is january is 11 is december

[long wharf]

just goes to demonstrate that a game can be made with anything

and game programmers tend to be the worst programmers

[hot zephyr]

Breaks their freaking heads

[long wharf]

because code quality and efficiency isn't necessary to be successful with today's hardware

[umbral helm]

yeah, and the modding scene is a lot like this one, just seeing how much of a mess it is and going "well, guess we have to fix this"

[long wharf]

yep

I've been modding games since the late 90s

[hot zephyr]

I mean... that falls back to our economics discussions eariler.... do you wanna be a game dev and make $XXXX dollars a year? or do you wanna make 3x-5x that to work on boring business applications that are actually easier work

[long wharf]

started with Unreal and Quake

[long wharf]

this is true for devs at big studios

indie devs, by percentage, mostly fail to make a living

but you don't hear about those

just the ones that somehow become massive hits and make millions

[orchid nest]

same for me in the 90's, except when I first started using mods they were just being called plugins instead

[long wharf]

like the idea of mods becoming full-blown games

sure it happened, but not often

[hot zephyr]

Yeah exactly. We all hear the story about how 5 guys in sweden made valhiem and sold... what 6M copies?

[long wharf]

only a fraction of a percent of the mods made for a popular game got really big

yeah, Valheim blew up

way beyond the expectations of Iron Gate

I run a modding discord for Valheim

haven't updated my mods in a few major versions, though

[orchid nest]

valheim is an incredible initial success story and a very frustrating continuing support story at the same time. they could have really re-invested in themselves more and come out way ahead

[hot zephyr]

Yeah but that;s the thing. They are a classic victim of success story too

[hexed geyser]

Well, i guess when something starts as a project for fun, trying to keep it going is harder

[long wharf]

my theory is that IG released Valheim at a point where they were getting burned out and just wanted to make some money back for the years they put into it

[hot zephyr]

Even all that money, there was ZERO chance they were going to deliver the quality game they wanted on a timeline where they would capture that sizzle from the initial release

[long wharf]

then it blows up out of nowhere, and they're super excited and put out a overly-optimistic timeline

which they then pare back several times

and then remove entirely

[hexed geyser]

Every. single. game. ever.

[orchid nest]

yeah they really sold a lot of people on that year long roadmap that.. I don't know. they had to know it was unrealistic

[long wharf]

the Valheim devs are not fast, nor are they friendly towards mods

[umbral helm]

the general public is fickle and don't actually know what they want most of the time, so those expectations are hard to meet

[long wharf]

don't get me wrong, at release, Valheim was a magical experience

[hot zephyr]

Oh I saw that timeline and said "ok now let's apply the kickstarter theory that they'll deliver half of this in twice the time period"

And that ended up pretty accurate tbh

[orchid nest]

Lol yeah

[long wharf]

IG lucked into a sweet spot of features simple enough to understand quickly with just enough depth to be entertaining

their Mistlands release makes it clear that their concept for Valheim isn't solidified

[orchid nest]

it's alright because darktide got me too. still waiting on that solo mode that was supposed to come out "if not at launch, then some time in december" 2022

[long wharf]

uh, I wouldn't hold your breath

[hot zephyr]

it helped that most of north america was locked in a horrible winter storm season with everyone in lockdown too

[orchid nest]

yeah I figured that out by now haha

[long wharf]

definitely

[hot zephyr]

All that cabin fever probably made for the crazed demand for an outdoorsy feeling adventure game

[long wharf]

with the sheer volume of indie titles out there, becoming a breakout hit is a healthy combination of product, PR, and luck

I don't get cabin fever, and Valheim's experience, the first time through, really is something

[steel flame]

They can't even handle the servers they do have let alone making solo servers. And God forbid they let you make solo matches client side and let you ruin the "economy" with cheating

[long wharf]

magnified when you play with friends

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, i still have a copy of my group's first playthrough server file. It really was magical.

[orchid nest]

they will probably end up doing it like warframe if/when they do a solo mode. it's really light on their servers when you're in solo and mainly validates everything when the match is completed

[long wharf]

I wouldn't be surprised to hear from FartShack that "solo mode" is at the very bottom of features they're putting time into

Darktide isn't a solo game

[hot zephyr]

Yeah this game's purpose is to be a team game, even with randoms and no voice/comms it's fun. With friends and comms it's downright a blast

[steel flame]

And a very small minority want to play it solo

No offense

[orchid nest]

yeah they said that already basically. vermintide technically wasn't either but we had it from launch there. it was fun to customize your entire roster for the bots, made progression across all the classes fun

[hexed geyser]

phoenix you've been calling it fartshack everytime since... idk, is it by accident or there's something behind it?

[queen fog]

Is a funny name for fatshark

Simple as

[hexed geyser]

ok thanks

[brisk grove]

didn't vermintide 1 have the option to run solo?

[steel flame]

Fartshack Seems correct to ne

[hexed geyser]

I'm dyslexic so i was getting more and more confused but that makes sense

[hot zephyr]

Fartshark, FatShart, FartShack, it's all just intentional typos out of fustration because we love this game so much

[orchid nest]

vt1 was alright with the bots yeah, it was much more of a legit thing in vt2 though. doing legend with your bots there wasn't difficult after you set them up and you could make them pick up tomes and grims

[long wharf]

yeah, just a derogatory pet name

FartShart, FartShack, whatever

I type FatShark when they actually do something good

that's not often enough for me to use it regularly, unfortunately

Darktide, and the WH40K setting, has so much potential

[hot zephyr]

Your autocorrect, the one time you really mean FatShark

Did you mean FartShack?

[hot zephyr]

I really wish as warhammer goes more mainstream that it starts losing some of its historical hate points from lesser nerds who don't know

[orchid nest]

but yeah I do play some solo already now anyways. it would be nice if we could use our characters as the bots at the very least. especially since modders already did it for non progression

[long wharf]

I don't know what you're calling "historical hate points"

[stone canyon]

Would this be madness? Flurry IV to Nexus II ?

[long wharf]

everyone I've ever talked to that has bothered to look at WH40k lore ends up loving it

[hexed geyser]

Some people hated on the 10th edition trailer because "it made the facists look good"

[long wharf]

it's a small mind which poo-poos what it does not know

[hot zephyr]

I tried to get a few of my friends into this game by telling them it's all the best parts of borderlands and payday combined, but they see WARHAMMER in the title and think it's for neckbeards

[zinc phoenix]

Idk I feel like turning voice comms off and ignoring chat is basically solo

Like yeah they’re technically not bots but… most of the time pugs play like bots so 🤷‍♀️

[long wharf]

spacemarines are supposed to look good, though

[zinc phoenix]

And sometimes you roll into a good experience

[zinc phoenix]

Then someone fucked up the design because they look like derpy ass roid raging plastic dolls

[orchid nest]

i'm not against quickplaying but it is different still. I get what you mean.

I am mainly soloing for difficulty sake when I do it though

[zinc phoenix]

You can solo by setting up a private server with no other people

[long wharf]

I'd love to see a modern, gritty take on WH40K aesthetics

[hexed geyser]

You solo for difficulty. I solo because my friends aren't there

[zinc phoenix]

It’s not bots tho

[orchid nest]

I use MMT to solo for now when I do it

[long wharf]

replace the obnoxiously large shoulder pads

[hasty breach]

but having comms on means the dicks have power

[long wharf]

give the armors a more modern sci-fi look

[visual yew]

with bigger ones right?

[hot zephyr]

Obviously that's what he means

[long wharf]

so big that all you see is two feet under two pauldrons

[visual yew]

the drip

[zinc phoenix]

Forget that, I want the triumphant return of the 80s hair metal aesthetic 😤 if it doesn’t look like this movie it is awful https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_Metal_(film)

[hot zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/tanner-west-gif-18013776

[long wharf]

shuffling all Star Wars robot like

[long wharf]

man, I loved the Heavy Metal movies!

[orchid nest]

MMT is supposed to not work at some point though for that part but I already have a backup

[visual yew]

its a vibe

[zinc phoenix]

Gotta equip that Powerdick

BRB revving my powerdick

[long wharf]

the Heavy Metal comics were essentially sci-fi themed soft-core porn

I loved it

I'm an 80s child through and through

grew up blowing apart GI Joes and swapping around heads and arms on He-man toys

[zinc phoenix]

In fairness everything fantasy or scifi was back then. Im reading gene Wolfe rn and it’s this deeply introspective metaphysical discourse where every other word is titty

[hexed geyser]

I played with legos until i had a computer

[long wharf]

I can dig that

I played with legos all the way through High School

[zinc phoenix]

I mostly used legos as a form of attack as a child

[visual yew]

Cobra Commander is one of my all time favorite villains, along with Destro.

[long wharf]

I even wrote up a concept for a strategy game to be played on graph paper and lego build instructions for each unit

[hexed geyser]

Tell me it was spaceships and not landmines...

[zinc phoenix]

War crimes all the way baybee

🦶 💥

[hexed geyser]

At one point they were in my bedroom so i couldn't do it anymore but my parents would never enter in the room with the legos before that

[long wharf]

I grew up with Legos, Erector Sets

[zinc phoenix]

My child will only receive duplos for my safety

[long wharf]

uhh, I'm blanking on the name for my favorite construction toys

Construx!

those were awesome

[hexed geyser]

They will have virtual legos in the future, no danger for anyone

[long wharf]

I had so many kits

just bins filled with Construx pieces

[orchid nest]

https://tenor.com/view/beavis-and-butthead-beavis-butthead-bnb-laughing-gif-27525805

[long wharf]

yeah yeah

[zinc phoenix]

“How did wood get so hard?”

[hexed geyser]

Alright go back to zealot chat

[zinc phoenix]

Huhuhuhuhuh

[orchid nest]

[zinc phoenix]

Speaking of Warhammer content would it kill owlcat to make a game that isn’t a buggy piece of shit just once?

Rogue trader more like rogue programmer

[long wharf]

I thought that was their trademark release?

I've only played through the Prologue so far

other things keep coming up

[ornate hamlet]

It's still buggy

It's peak owlcat

A fun, interesting game

That's buggy as shit

And needs another year to cook

[long wharf]

sounds like I doing just fine waiting for more patches, then

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah

If you only play act 1/2 and the start of 3

You're fine

It's the latter parts of act 3 as well as 4,5 and the endings that are hot garbage

[harsh urchin]

so just like bg3

[long wharf]

oof

[harsh urchin]

kek

[ornate hamlet]

Still around 40 hours of solid gameplay before that

[harsh urchin]

bg3 act 1 was amazing

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-toby-the-cat-nod-yes-yes-yes-hooman-gif-17105827

[harsh urchin]

act 2 was good

and act3 was trash

LOL

so buggy

[long wharf]

I'm waiting for BG3 to go on a decent sale

[ornate hamlet]

Yup

Tbf to Owlcat

[harsh urchin]

do they fix the later acts

in this kind of game

[ornate hamlet]

They're basically unironically an indie studio

But at the same time

It shouldn't have been released

[harsh urchin]

tbh i dont mind waiting a few months for rogue trader bugs to be fixed

[ornate hamlet]

I soft locked like 4 times in the same spot on act 4

[harsh urchin]

and i dont mind if the later acts still suck

i just want them to fix the crashes

and locks

[ornate hamlet]

They do yeah

[harsh urchin]

ok yeah

[long wharf]

maybe Owlcat needed to release due to budget constraints

[ornate hamlet]

Owlcat has good maintenance eventually

It just takes time

[harsh urchin]

ye i kinda expect that the later acts will probably be less good

in these types of games

[ornate hamlet]

Yup
Likely

[harsh urchin]

i just hate

losing my saves

or crashing

or technical shit

[ornate hamlet]

I was lucky since I uh

Free trialed it

[bold maple]

psyker feels like crap in owlcat game compared to militant burst fire

[ornate hamlet]

Through warp shenanigans

[bold maple]

drop a darktide psyker into rogue trader and he solos everything

[ornate hamlet]

[long wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

[harsh urchin]

is it multi player?

[ornate hamlet]

But I'll buy it once it's actually good

[harsh urchin]

can u coop it

with a friend

[ornate hamlet]

You can yes

[harsh urchin]

hell yeah

[ornate hamlet]

Arch militant is crazy
And bugged

Altho they nerfed it

[long wharf]

I have friends that want to co-op Rogue Trader, but we're all waiting for bugfixes and to complete the story on our own first

[hexed geyser]

What builds would you recomment for bb? Probably with voidstrike or purgatus unless y'all tell me it's bad?

[ornate hamlet]

What's funnier to me is how the space marine companion(s) are useless

[ornate hamlet]

Ye no rush

[ornate hamlet]

Brainburst psyker?

[hexed geyser]

Yeah

[long wharf]

please no spoilers

[ornate hamlet]

Oh I won't
It's just funny that they're the completr opposite of what you'd expect due to bugged game mechanics

[hexed geyser]

Lots of penance to grind with brainburst

[ornate hamlet]

BB with the voidstrike is good ye

[long wharf]

well, even saying that there are spacemarine companions is a spoiler

[ornate hamlet]

Not a fan of purg

[long wharf]

better off not saying anything about any part of the story/companions/etc

[ornate hamlet]

Surprised you didn't see it when he's on the cover art tbh

But fair

[plush oak]

blaze trauma or columnus my beloveds

[long wharf]

guns are for the simple minded blunts

[ornate hamlet]

Well
I was a fan of purg before*

[long wharf]

be better, sibling

[hexed geyser]

I'm not a fan of purgatus either, only thing it does well is clearing horde, which is the least problematic thing of the game

[ornate hamlet]

But I grew out of it once I realized that I needed better elite killing

Yeah

Any of the other 3 are all viable with BB

Just depends what you want to shore up more

[hexed geyser]

Anyone has a favorite talent tree for it then?

[plush oak]

Yes but scriers gaze exists

[half iron]

hiiiiiii

[long wharf]

do you want a build that includes BB, or a build that focuses on BB?

the former is easy, the latter a waste of time

[hexed geyser]

Probably focus, because i need penances

I decided i want those redacted hoods and to complete them in general

[prime elk]

Eh focusing on BB isn’t that bad of a move

You can still have a perfectly capable generalist build while taking the most impactful BB nodes

[ornate hamlet]

Yup

Just take scream with it

Altho bubble is also fine

As long as you take the perk that reduces BB peril and time to cast

It'll be extremely smooth

[long wharf]

the problem with building around BB is that even when you do so, BB isn't particularly good

[ornate hamlet]

Yeh

[long wharf]

BB has a niche, and trying to use it outside that niche is just... unfun

[ornate hamlet]

But penance grinder gotta penance grind

[long wharf]

yeah I guess

[ornate hamlet]

It's one of the worse aspects of Darktide easily

[long wharf]

I did all of those back in the day before they were nerfed and then moved to redacted penances

[ornate hamlet]

Some of them are harmless

throw a nade with no bounce

[hexed geyser]

Oh i won't go into auric maelstrom with it, i just want to farm specialists and shit like that

[long wharf]

I'm still grinding missions and total kills

[ornate hamlet]

And then there's the veteran one that's "never miss lol"

[half iron]

warp charge mentioned💯💯‼️ what the fuck is a combat ability🗣️🗣️

[hexed geyser]

That vet one looks easy with a revo

[olive ember]

Whats up darktide people

anything new

[hexed geyser]

What's up

[long wharf]

nothing new yet

FartShack still on their mandatory winter holiday

we aren't even going to hear from them until February

[harsh urchin]

ye they swedish

[hexed geyser]

That red one, shriek, shield or scrier's gaze

[long wharf]

I wouldn't expect any announcements on upcoming stuff until March or even April

[harsh urchin]

so they got 3 months holiday

[half iron]

no

[harsh urchin]

i think they have 2 months mandatory in december

and 1 month mandatory in july?

[hexed geyser]

Is it not?

[long wharf]

something

[half iron]

the chrome amongus skibidi toilet dome collar is still solid jet black😢

[long wharf]

Sweden takes its labor unions very seriously

[harsh urchin]

ye it's why all the corporations that make money

have moved to US

cuz US lets u abuse ur slaves

[long wharf]

not exactly

unions increase the cost of labor

plain and simple

good, bad, doesn't matter

from a business perspective, running a business in Sweden is far more costly than running one in the US

can you imagine having a business and an employee tells you they expect to get paid for 3 months of work a year while on vacation?

maybe a senior employee with saved up vacation time

[harsh urchin]

ye sounds awful lol

[hexed geyser]

They don't have that in the US?

[long wharf]

but a first year employee?

hell no

[harsh urchin]

no in the US we have "infinite vacation"

which means no vacation

LOL

at least in my industry

[long wharf]

some companies do "unlimited vacation" which requires manager approval

which is really a negative pressure on taking vacation time

I'm not a fan of that system at all

my last company moved to that shortly before I left it

[hexed geyser]

I think it depends a lot from company to company, and from the government no?

[long wharf]

not the US government, no

[queen fog]

The government care?

Would be a dream come true

[long wharf]

it's up to the companies themselves to set their own policies

[hexed geyser]

Not what i said

[queen fog]

I know bud im just finding humor in a fuck up

Nothin personal

[hexed geyser]

Yeah no worries

[long wharf]

nah, you don't really want the government stepping in to enforce a singular vacation policy on all businesses in the US uniformly

different markets operate wildly different

[hexed geyser]

I had 3 weeks of pause in school because government won't do shit

[long wharf]

it would cripple or outright kill small businesses in markets with low margins

and the businesses big enough to absorb that policy would end up passing the additional costs into the price of their products and services

businesses don't exist to provide jobs; they provide jobs because those jobs are necessary to make a profit for the business to continue

[harsh urchin]

yep

and we can also see how much of an impact being in sweden makes for the product

like if fatshark was an american company

[long wharf]

government intervention only artificially increases the costs of doing business

[harsh urchin]

they would definitely be pumping out a lot more content

[long wharf]

well, we don't know that for sure

[harsh urchin]

since they wouldn't have 3 months of mandatory vaca

[long wharf]

you give FartShack a lot of credit

the state of Darktide at release can't be blamed on mandatory Swedish time off 🙂

[harsh urchin]

i think it's just based on amount of hours worked lol

[ornate hamlet]

Yeh

[harsh urchin]

if they have created 6 months worth of work

vs 8 months worth of work

[ornate hamlet]

The theoretical is actually worse anyway

[long wharf]

what is 6 months of work?

[harsh urchin]

obviously that's 2 more months of work

[ornate hamlet]

If you have Darktide to an American Dev

[harsh urchin]

it's an abstraction

[ornate hamlet]

What's stopping them from cod-ifiying it

[long wharf]

how do you force an artist to create a model in 6 months if it takes them normally 8 to do it?

[prime elk]

Its ok, I prefer it over assail though it’s really annoying that you have to specifically build for it

Whereas assail works anywhere

BB buff when

[ornate hamlet]

^

[harsh urchin]

you don't, but let's say someone can do 1 unit of work per month

simply by raw numbers

they've done more units of work

[long wharf]

when it comes to creative works, shortening how long someone has usually results in work not being completed at all, not it simply being done faster

yeah, but humans don't actually work like that

[ornate hamlet]

Yup

Output on a creative level is wildly inconsistent

[long wharf]

it's fine to try to abstract human effort in order to quantify progress coughScrum/Agilecough

[ornate hamlet]

Unless your idea is a content mill

[harsh urchin]

right, so if we extend the amount of time they have

[ornate hamlet]

And nobody wants a content mill

[harsh urchin]

work that was not completed at all

would potentially get completed

lol.

[ornate hamlet]

Content mills are where creativity goes to die

[hexed geyser]

As someone who does shows a few times a year, making the creative process shorter is just a bad idea from the start.

[long wharf]

I wouldn't mind a cosmetic content mill out of FartShack if the prices were lower

[ornate hamlet]

Cosmetic content mill is fine (ish)

[long wharf]

you mean I say much with little.

yes 🙂

[ornate hamlet]

But we're talking also about things like updates

[hexed geyser]

With little? You wrote an entire paragraph in 6 minutes few hours ago with no one responding

[long wharf]

look, all you really need to know about FartShack is that they announced the increase in cost of the Krieg cosmetics due to the effort put into them

and on release, they were no higher quality than the crap they had on release

and then they kept the increase cost across the board

case closed.

[ornate hamlet]

Skin economy

[mighty olive]

lots of outfits are the same just recolored, would like more unique ones!

[ornate hamlet]

Marketing head probably got the genius idea

[long wharf]

and I, damn my eyes, and at fault for supporting the shitty behavior by buying cosmetics just the same

[harsh urchin]

this was a mistake lmao

if they had just said "we're raising the prices due to inflation"

nobody would've given a shit

[long wharf]

oh you sweet summer child

[ornate hamlet]

But I'm not surprised
EA has hired psychologists before

[harsh urchin]

if they didnt try to make up an excuse

[long wharf]

I've been writing code for over 30 years

[harsh urchin]

and just said "from now on we're charging more to make more money"

[long wharf]

I was writing assembler before you were born

[ornate hamlet]

They would still get shit on tbh

[harsh urchin]

assembly*

[long wharf]

I've lead software teams at major tech companies

[ornate hamlet]

Just in a different way

[hexed geyser]

How do you know he's not a boomer?

[harsh urchin]

ye but nobody would've have given a shit after a week lol

but instead they tried to justify it

[ornate hamlet]

Doubtful

[long wharf]

playing the odds.

[harsh urchin]

which was dumb as fuck

[ornate hamlet]

Creative Assembly did the same thing

[long wharf]

and I love that line as an insult, anyways

[ornate hamlet]

And they've been doing the inflation excuse for ages

[hexed geyser]

Welp he's not responding

[long wharf]

knew he wouldn't

he's a troll

[ornate hamlet]

Subsidizing "inflation" expenses through more expensive, worse products is never going to look good

Especially when the end goal isn't to make more money for more content
It's just to make more money

[harsh urchin]

ye but what u gonna do about it

lmao

if it were me

[ornate hamlet]

Riot ofc
It just would be a different riot

[long wharf]

when studios go public, that's a sign that it's time to stop assuming quality from them

[harsh urchin]

I would've just said "we raising prices cuz we need to make more money"

[hexed geyser]

Only game i saw die like that was overwatch

[harsh urchin]

funny thing is that overwatch still has a shitload of people giving it money

[ornate hamlet]

Thing is
They are making money

[harsh urchin]

even though it's shit

[hexed geyser]

But the amount of players isn't was it used too

[ornate hamlet]

People don't want you to make money by asking them to pay even more money

[long wharf]

yeah, I think you're just a liar and can't figure out how to save face

[ornate hamlet]

So at the end of the day
You have to justify the increase through a quality increase

Or
You know
Add in other stuff

Main reason people shit on the skins isn't just cos it's expensive, it's also broken and kind of ugly

The price increase would be better recieved if there's a perceived increase in "quantity" or content

[harsh urchin]

Anyways, I also work in software development and I will say with confidence that me taking 3 months of vacation is less productive overall than me taking 0 months of vacation in a year.

Regardless of how it applies to other people

that's how it is for me

and I assume that's how companies in USA vs Sweden will operate

you get more productivity if you work more

[long wharf]

that you even wrote that last sentence tells me you're exactly as stupid as I initially thought you were

[harsh urchin]

that's fundamental

regardless of the creative process involved

[long wharf]

true

[harsh urchin]

if I spend more time doing X, more X will get done

[mighty olive]

mmm ... pie ...

[ornate hamlet]

At the end of the day
This is both a yes and a no

[long wharf]

but the creative process is also subject to inspiration and the waxing/waning of productivity

[ornate hamlet]

It just depends on the process on how these are made

And your expected quality

[olive ember]

why are people fighting again

[long wharf]

I love how you use weasel words to try to couch your incompetence

"likely barely"

[ornate hamlet]

You can't rush an artist to make assembly line art

[hexed geyser]

I don't know... We had a funny discussion about government (and not a bad one, which is suprising on internet)

[ornate hamlet]

Best you can do is a deadline

Which most people will abide by

But sometimes you just hit a stop gap and that's that

[hexed geyser]

Rushed art just means no originality and that's kind of useless in my opinion

[ornate hamlet]

Plenty of games crunched the fuck out of themselves

[long wharf]

and that's where generative AI steps in

[hexed geyser]

But at the same time, artists would keep going forever without deadlines

[ornate hamlet]

Less time might actually have benefited them more

[long wharf]

we're going to see more and more AI generated content tweaked and finished by artists over time

[prime elk]

wtf happened to psyker chat

https://tenor.com/view/why-what-in-the-hell-oh-god-pizza-house-on-fire-gif-15536410

[long wharf]

aw, did you just look up a word in the dictionary, or is "diatribe" the word of the day on your calendar?

[hexed geyser]

Yeah let's make it psyker chat again. Someone posts a screenshot of a build for bb with voidstrike and warp siphon please

[long wharf]

it's funny that all you can do is insult me instead of point to anything I said as actually wrong

I can't roll my eyes any harder

[lethal lagoon]

Quick, discuss the best Purg build, and likely the best build of all time;

🙂

[hexed geyser]

There we go

[spice veldt]

doesn't take 5 toughness nodes bricked

[long wharf]

get that zealot trash crap out of there

[hexed geyser]

He still has 2 nodes to use

[olive ember]

90 toughness psyker forever

;-;

[long wharf]

not taking quelling speed is an oof

[hexed geyser]

For purgatus?

[long wharf]

absolutely

[hexed geyser]

From what i remember it builds peril really slowly

[long wharf]

you aren't taking Quietude, so you'll want to quell as quickly as possible when you need to

[olive ember]

Is it?

I don't take quell speed

wait no I do

[long wharf]

I always take quell speed

[olive ember]

cuz warp charges

[long wharf]

always

because I want to spend as little time quelling as possible

[hexed geyser]

Honestly i play with warp siphon only so i don,t really know how bad it is to play without it.

[long wharf]

+30% quell speed is a big deal

never leave home without it

[lethal lagoon]

Ehhh, neither purg nor BB need quell speed. BB has the easiest peril edging ever, and Purg generate so little peril.

but there are two free points on my meme build

four if you count that extra toughness and wildfire node

[long wharf]

you can get a toughness DR node

the one directly below BB (vertically)

toughness DR is always a good idea

and the toughness DR node on the left towards Warp Siphon (under Puppet Master)

that's 10% toughness DR with two nodes within reach

those are additive, BTW

[orchid nest]

apparently they aren't which is kind of weird. I was under the impression the psyker minor ones were last time this convo came up here because the ogryn ones are but I guess everything for the psyker ones are multiplicative including the minor passives

[long wharf]

wait, are you sure?

they're additive for literally everybody else, if that's the case

[orchid nest]

I'm not but according to tinyangrycrab they are. two 5% nodes is small enough to effectively be additive anyways with no other sources. although, I would just take the cooldown aura and one with the warp if you wanted to build more tdr

[hexed geyser]

How do i make the wide and full talent trees in screenshots? Is it a mod?

[long wharf]

there's a mod that squishes the tree down

I use gameslantern site to build the tree then screenshot and resize the screenshot

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[orchid nest]

arcotash knew more about it than me if you want to ask him about the tdr stuff

[long wharf]

@spice veldt what do you know about toughness DR nodes in the psyker talent tree?

[hexed geyser]

Should that be fine to play or i'm missing something important?

[long wharf]

for what, BB?

[hexed geyser]

Yeah

Voidstrike probably.

[long wharf]

well, if you're going to be using BB a lot

[spice veldt]

from what I've read, the stuff I once knew is wrong

[orchid nest]

so they are additive actually?

[long wharf]

okay, good

[spice veldt]

apparently the toughness dr nodes stack additively with each other? I'm not sure though. I haven't tested it yet

[long wharf]

they ought to, that's how it works for all the other classes

so yeah, get as many toughness DR nodes as you can for your builds

[orchid nest]

so that would make one with the warp, dome, and whatever the scrier thing is multiplicative then

psykers nodes are so small that more toughness first is probably a better call as they are effectively more tdr for chip damage at the same time anyways. I don't tend to go out of my way on psyker for the 5% nodes but i'll path through them.

on ogryn though their little nodes and feel no pain being additive is absolutely busted

[plush oak]

Which staff works best with Disrupt Destiny?

[long wharf]

in fact, here's a shitty tree that gets you all the toughness and toughness DR nodes

it's not good for anything but having toughness

[queen fog]

Any psi-bolt shooters can help with the strays that are right on the line of the radius

[orchid nest]

Haha

[queen fog]

Like anything but purg

[plush oak]

Thanks

[cinder niche]

No asail….boo

[long wharf]

can't

if you go assail, you miss the toughness DR node on the left under Wildfire

there is a leftover point, though

[queen fog]

No problem best of luck with purgin pal

[plush oak]

I really love the keystone and was thinking if i can incorporate it into a blaze trauma build... yk for shits and giggles

[long wharf]

so you could take Warp Expenditure for toughness on peril generated

[queen fog]

Oooo seems fancy and fun, fuck around and find out sibling

[near drift]

I shot from the back with voidstrike a lot, big coward energy

[queen fog]

I got a warp flurry trauma myself so I haven’t tasted the power of blaze trauma

More power to you tho

[plush oak]

By the emperor's mercy i will declare exterminatus on atoma with the combo

[orchid nest]

definitely voidstrike. and you want true aim with it too anyways so you're right there

[plush oak]

Yeah i think with blaze trauma u miss out on the weakspot dmg buff from it

[plush oak]

Yea voidstrike seems to be the best bet for it

Prolly a transfer peril flurry one

[stone canyon]

Best part about DD is that it makes you look like keen eyed pro sniping targets hidden 200m away in fog, while you got that as wallhack

[plush oak]

True, id say the best part is big damage and big speed tho but the wallhacks are nice too😂

40%weakspot dmg with max stacks on top of 15% dmg should be nuts

But considering the 30% crit dmg its prolly best with a warp nexus surge voidstrike no?

[stone canyon]

Crit is decent too since youll double it with Surge on Voidstrike (and can ofc crit heads)

[plush oak]

Just shoot out nukes at that point

[orchid nest]

you can have whatever else you want with surge on a true aim voidstrike but you should have surge at least, yeah

nexus is nice but not the only option, true aim still gives you a lot of crits on its own

[plush oak]

Yea but edging nexus is fun

[long wharf]

DD is too janky

[stone canyon]

Im torn as i got lvl 4 flurry on mine and my nexus is only lvl 2, would feel bit wrong to replace, since i dont have that blessing either

[plush oak]

I mean surely warp charges is more consistent but DD just seems more fun 😂

[orchid nest]

have you tried it recently? I felt the same way but it became way more snappy after one of the later patches

[long wharf]

none of the big issues with DD have been addressed yet

losing all stacks at once

[plush oak]

Oh thats so unfortunate

[long wharf]

not getting the marked target kill means no DD stack

[orchid nest]

Oh ok you mean in that regard. yeah

[long wharf]

it only marking one enemy at a time

[stone canyon]

To add to injury, same staff has also that IV Surge and dont have that either

[plush oak]

Its ez, if losing stack -> then dont

[stone canyon]

So if i was to sacrifice it, id grab Surge anyway

[long wharf]

no no, you had it right the first time, "if losing stack -> then done"

as in done using DD

[plush oak]

What kinda stat rolls and perks u have on it? Id cash in on that surge if i were u

[orchid nest]

those issues can be annoying for sure but with any precision weapon and the third point you can basically instantly be high stacks again any time bruisers show up

[stone canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1194394255528054914/image.png?ex=65b03155&is=659dbc55&hm=77a72ad68635f8786c0e715ba2f16b4289c3cb92e2b880b4a12842a3fcb18fd7&

[plush oak]

I only used it in gunker with scriers gaze till now so i was wondering if it would work with any staff

[orchid nest]

the real annoying part was when the bruisers weren't being highlighted because they are the easiest way to passively get them up again

[long wharf]

I mean, if you don't mind how DD works, you can use it with anything

surge staff secondary doesn't hit weakspots, though

neither does purge nor trauma secondaries

[plush oak]

Yea id cash in the surge just cuz the unfortunate charge rate roll

[stone canyon]

Eventually perhaps, but i havent found yet better one either

My lvl 30 psyker is less than week old

[plush oak]

Yea that just leaves the voidstrike

[orchid nest]

for sure, it's just a lot easier to consistently farm the weakspot 3 stacks with certain things

voidstrike being a great example yeah because all the random bruisers filtering in on normal hordes will get highlighted and you'll cleave through to them before they get to allies melee

[long wharf]

does DD preferentially target elites/specials?

[plush oak]

Yea

It goes ranged elites > gunners > everything else > shooters > flak melee

Dont quote me on that tho

[long wharf]

it really needs to highlight more than one enemy at a time

[plush oak]

Im like 80% sure of the order

It would go to broken rq

Imo

Having max stack uptime for 90% of the game would make the other keystones obsolete honestly

If ur using something that benefits from the crit dmg and weakspot dmg buffs

[long wharf]

I don't think DD actually fits with the rest of the psyker abilities

[plush oak]

Mk4 dueling + columnus or voidstrike its insane on

[long wharf]

I'll take your word for it, until such time as FartShack addresses DD's shortcomings

[plush oak]

Voidstrike theoretically since i havent tested it, but with columnus for sure it is

[orchid nest]

between shooters and bruisers you don't really have to obsess over it much to be honest. it'll definitely just rub some people the wrong way though. you have to not have the stacking obsessing mindset or it'll drive you crazy. you'll naturally have a lot of stacks throughout most of the mission having the 30s duration and just killing marked things when it's convenient

[plush oak]

I agree with u, i never stress over it and during a horde situation im easily sitting at 15-20+ stacks without even thinking about it

[orchid nest]

I do agree though that the node for its purpose could be designed to work better in the game environment we have

[plush oak]

Would be nice having a stack decay like warp charges situation for it thats for sure

[near drift]

DD dropping per stack like warp siphon sounds straight busted

[plush oak]

Yeah

[long wharf]

honestly, the psyker is in a really good place right now

[plush oak]

Thats an issue too

[plush oak]

I still feel like we got shafted on the blitzes but oh well

[long wharf]

make the stacks last, like, 5 seconds then

smite isn't great

[plush oak]

They last 30s

[long wharf]

make them fall off individually after 5 seconds

[plush oak]

With the upgrade node that is

[plush oak]

Depending on the fall off rate, id be fine with that

[long wharf]

that way you can work on getting stacks up and not losing everything at once

[plush oak]

Tho between the 30s uptime from the upgrade node and the 25m range, its not hard to keep 15+ stacks up for like 70% of a run honestly

[plush oak]

Nope 💀
They murdered assail
Bb is great at what it does but its not very versatile as a tool

Compare that to vet blitzes where shredder nade is prolly one of the best blitzes in the game, krak is insane at what it does too

Zealot has great blitzes all round

[orchid nest]

I think the changes ended up good for assail but that is only if they actually intended the current quickswap behavior. It's still incredibly strong if you are using it with the stuff it's designed around in that way

[plush oak]

Ogryn blitzes are amazing at what they do too

[plush oak]

It would still be nice to clean up a poxwalker horde with the full 10 shards

It ends up being easier to just melee in my experience

Pull out the ol overkill illisi and go to town

Sure its nice stagger for gunners at like 10m but thats abt it

If u get unlucky u gotta throw 4 5 shards at 1 of em

Or obv right click but who has time for that

[orchid nest]

you should ideally be using it with your melee while quickswapping. but yeah if you have illisi that is already kind of anti synergy with the tree it's designed around. gunker needs a hard target melee weapon instead of a horde one -> assail quick swaps in melee help make up for the melees worse horde clear

[long wharf]

assail is a ton of fun, but it also, unfortunately, promotes braindead play

even though optimal assail play is anything but braindead

[untold verge]

psker is the worse class

[plush oak]

[long wharf]

you dun fucked up now, buddy

yousa on the wrong sideathatracks, friend

[untold verge]

many people are typing

[shadow wigeon]

My biggest functional problem with DD is that it goes out the window when you need to clutch. You can't go hunting for your DD target when things have gone sideways. It's not disimilar to old warp stacks where you had to desperately hunt for something to keep them up sometimes. Falling off one stack at a time would be much cleaner.

[long wharf]

yeah, the stack cap would need to be dropped

cap at 10 (double to 20), drop off 10 seconds at a time or something

[plush oak]

Anyways i gotta wake up in 6 hrs for work.
Happy purging siblings

[long wharf]

sleep tight, don't let the daemonettes bite

[orchid nest]

you have to keep in mind the side of the tree these keystones are designed around. you can hop over which is great design, but keeping DD at high stacks with assail is not a problem in any situation clutch or not since shooters and bruisers give stacks

[long wharf]

brace your mind against the ever present and pressing demonic hordes just waiting to slip into your brain and take over your consciousness and body

[plush oak]

Ill dream of demonhosts and theorycrafting

[long wharf]

only if they're highlighted

but yes

[plush oak]

The Emperor protects. Burn the unclean

[orchid nest]

yeah they'll quickly cycle through though. if something marked is out of your vision it changes on its own

[long wharf]

wait, it keeps a highlighted enemy within your view at all times?

this is the first I've heard of that behavior

[plush oak]

Within los yea

[orchid nest]

if a highlighted enemy is out of your cone of view for 5ish seconds it tries to mark something in your view

[long wharf]

hmm, maybe I do need to seriously play with DD

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah, it sourhgly does that. It's not bomb proof at all.

*roughly

It also cycles away from ones taht ARE in view sometimes 😮

[radiant sleet]

Finally rolled a decent stat deimos with the blessings I want.

Currently it has level 4 sprint efficiency and 25 maniac damage. Should I keep these? I still have one swap left. Maniac is rager correct? Because I mostly use assail on ragers so maybe I'll swap that out

[orchid nest]

this is typical fatshark design I think, you get it out of view and it starts a timer and you whip around and it changes anyways

[shadow wigeon]

The uptime is short enough that Assail/low-downtime gun are reasonable to keep stacks under all circumstances.
With staffs, you can just get shafted sometimes.

[orchid nest]

or as phoenix would say in this case, fartshack

[long wharf]

but EP alllows me to keep throwing shards

[shadow wigeon]

I mean I've had them not change LOS at all and the DD hops anyway, sometimes it hops a few times. Fortunately that's pretty rare

[orchid nest]

yeah

[shadow wigeon]

It almost feels like some busted predictive thing going on. It couldn't decide on a target and just moved a few.

[long wharf]

my assail build uses shriek and EP

[orchid nest]

EP is definitely better for assail on its own. you're leaning more into melee and ranged buff with DD. damage increase on a duelling sword or a laspistol/columnus/voidstrike or something is pretty good

[long wharf]

makes peril management super easy (and forgiving) and allows me to get those free shards

hmm, I'll have to play with it

shame surge staff doesn't hit weakspots

[shadow wigeon]

DD is very strong on Void, but it falls apart in clutch. I suppose you could patch that up with assail.

[long wharf]

can void one-shot (crit with surge) a mutant with full DD stacks?

[shadow wigeon]

Even so, there are so many times your DD target is behind several mobs anyway. Cleave on Void really helps

[long wharf]

sure

but when I run void with assail, I run ds4 for melee

and I can one-shot mutants with ds4

[shadow wigeon]

I would be suprised if it couldn't... its probably way overkill. the buffs stacks on Crit Void pretty heavily.

[long wharf]

if void+DD15+crit(with surge) can hit the one-shot breakpoint on mutants in damnation

then that means the ds4 wouldn't be necessary, and could take Illisi as horde backup for when assail doesn't cut it

[orchid nest]

I think it should be able to. you can test it in the psykhanium with some annoyance. you have to turn the ai on for DD to start marking stuff in there

with creature spawner

[long wharf]

yeah, I'll have to test that in a bit, once I'm done with this thing

[sly comet]

I hate this penance. I was on my way to getting it, and my team left me behind to die.
Got overwhelmed, died, and no one bothered to rescue me. I hate this penance.

[cold ivy]

unless your crit rate is >50%, relying on a crit to hit a breakpoint will probably feel very inconsistent

[shadow wigeon]

It is a very annoying penance. What difficulty are you playing? it gets easier at higher difficulties.

[cold ivy]

although if you're spamming a whole buncha shots and your target dies once you get a crit it'll probably feel better!

[sly comet]

Auric Maelstrom. It's the only chance I have at getting close to the time needed.

[orchid nest]

if you can get a team to help you, you can probably get warp battery in one try in the smelter mission with a purg and in fire reborn

the chaff infinitely spawns at the end there

[shadow wigeon]

HISTG is probably a better bet IMO. It is a bit map dependent as well.

[orchid nest]

at extraction

[queen fog]

Ya bring a squad of purg psykers and watch as the penace gets made like scrambled eggs in the morning

[sly comet]

I don't know what that means.

[shadow wigeon]

High Intensity Shock Troop, not maelstrom

Maelstrom can vary quite a bit in terms of elites and specials.

[sly comet]

I'll have to hit up a team. It's not happening organically.

[long wharf]

+Gauntlet, HISTG

[long wharf]

yep, that's what the LFG channels are for here

[orchid nest]

ideally just get to the part where you have to extract at the elevator and stand a little ways in the hall towards the elevator and burn the chaff as they run in the doorway with the team just standing back

[sly comet]

On the bright side, I was rewarded an awesome staff. It's not all bad. I'll come back, and conquer this another time.

[long wharf]

that should work if you need, say, 20 more seconds

[ornate hamlet]

Slow and steady

You'll get stuff like Warp Battery just by playing tbh

[sly comet]

I won't though. It's not happening.

[ornate hamlet]

( if we assume you're going to both get better and try harder difficulties)

You will

Dw bout it

[long wharf]

if you play damnation+ often enough, it'll happen organically

[ornate hamlet]

Only a few ones are so randomly arbitrary

[sly comet]

If it were a simpler penance, like 300 total seconds, then it's possible.

[ornate hamlet]

But don't put yourself down

You'll get it one day
Unironically
Just by playing enough

[long wharf]

it's possible, it just used to be a lot easier to do, before patch 13 with the talent trees

[ornate hamlet]

Mhm

[hexed geyser]

I did it 2 hours ago, it's a pain but possible

[ornate hamlet]

I'm pretty sure I had it off an auric Maelstrom

[hexed geyser]

Just somehow don't miss an elite for 5 minutes straight

[ornate hamlet]

That's pretty much where stuff like this shines

[orchid nest]

the hab dreyko end event by the tree is also probably pretty good for getting it if your team stalls there for you. although, depending on difficulty and skill level, stalling the hab dreyko event intentionally can be pretty dangerous these days lol

[ornate hamlet]

Auric has an elite/special every other second lol

[hexed geyser]

You wouldn't use your ability for 5 minutes in an auric maelstrom?

[wise spire]

Best Perks and Blessings for Surge Staff? I just got a good roll from Melk.
78 Damage, Charge Rate, Critical Bonus, 77 Warp Resistance, and 65 Quell Speed.
20% Carapace, 8% Specialists, Warp Nexus 4, and Terrifying Barrage 3.

[long wharf]

keeping war charges maxed is easiest with purge

and In Fire Reborn

it does it for you, very easily

[shadow wigeon]

Flak/Maniac Flurry/Nexus, all stats are important, quell is a decent dump stat.

[ornate hamlet]

Maybe I'm misremembering what I got
But I'm fairly certain I have a lot of random penances just from Aurics
But I'm not a penance grinder

So maybe I just got something else

Only Penance I actively got was the one for the Psyker face cover

[shadow wigeon]

I would probably ditch +8% to specialists in this case, since you kill them very easily already.

[ornate hamlet]

Cos I wanted a nice hat

[hexed geyser]

Maybe, because this one doesn't feel like one you would get randomly

I want the nice hat too

[long wharf]

dang it, I need two more talent tree points

[ornate hamlet]

The Psyker psychic cover thing?

[hexed geyser]

And my lost sanity can be hidden by this hat

[wise spire]

Ok so what should I change on this one? I'm thinking Specialists->Flak and Terrifying Barrage->Warp Flurry.

[ornate hamlet]

Fantastic
I'd do a penance for more styles like that

[orchid nest]

yeah that is good

[olive tendon]

im dying rn

[shadow wigeon]

Yep, pretty reasonable.
+carapace is not bad at all for Surge.

[hexed geyser]

Anyone did the "push 7 ennemies in the void in 2 seconds"?

[long wharf]

keep us posted on your fight with Hadron

[long wharf]

it used to be 10, I think

[lethal lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/robot-dancing-dance-dancing-robot-t600-robot-gif-22132535

Hadron warming up to fuck you up

[olive tendon]

is blast radius super critical

[orchid nest]

theres an old video on youtube if you search about doing it at the beginning of chasm logistratum raid map I think from when it was harder. should still be a good spot with the bonus of it being at the beginning

[olive tendon]

like is it salvagable?

[long wharf]

not one bit, that's a fantastic staff

[lethal lagoon]

Blast is the dump bud

[hexed geyser]

Like how much beginning? When the first waves comes in or before?

[olive tendon]

oh rly now?

[long wharf]

now prepare to weep, cry, and bemoan your very existence in front of Hadron

[olive tendon]

what do i want to get

for the addon stuff

[shadow wigeon]

There are many ways to build Void

[orchid nest]

basically right at the beginning before the first horde comes yeah. you have to intentionally stand there and wait a little for the horde to spawn

[hexed geyser]

Eh i'll do that with friends maybe, i don't feel like getting shit on by randoms

[long wharf]

it's best done with a group that knows the gameplan

it's very easy to do, takes all of 5 minutes

on the right map

[hexed geyser]

Alright, that's exactly why i asked the question, thank you

Why search on internet when i have discord

[olive tendon]

An update gentlemen

[orchid nest]

if you want to get it naturally in a game try the espionage oblivium map with the defense at the end in the center of the small bridges

[long wharf]

salvageable

run-n-gun to transfer peril

crit damage to flak/maniac

[hexed geyser]

When you run to extraction and a bridge explodes?

[orchid nest]

hold on i'll try to get a time stamp for you in a video

[olive tendon]

rly the range dmg is better?

[long wharf]

yes, because the crit damage isn't calculated in a sane way

[hexed geyser]

It's damage to everything, where crit damage is just trash

[long wharf]

it multiplies only the damage above normal that the crit is adding

[orchid nest]

@hexed geyser https://youtu.be/lRKve2FT0Dc?t=1341 this part

[olive tendon]

Oh wow

[long wharf]

yeah, it's hot trash

[olive tendon]

So it just a toss up between flak or Maniac?

[hexed geyser]

Oh bet that's a sweet spot for it

[long wharf]

that's the hard way

[shadow wigeon]

Crit damage i on Void is actually one of the better crit damages... and it's still very small unfortunately.

[long wharf]

the absolute easiest spot is chasm lagistratum

[hexed geyser]

Can't be worse than battery. I'm ready for anything now

[orchid nest]

it is what I would consider a hard way. although not really anymore with only 7 needed. doing the other way is much easier but annoying if your team won't stand there for you

[lethal lagoon]

Hab Dreyko ending pipe, that one curve spot where they just drop like lil ants

[long wharf]

the beginning area when you cross the bridge has a floating path

[lethal lagoon]

[orchid nest]

yeah that was the first one I recommended but he wanted a more natural recommendation that didn't require his team to help by standing there

[long wharf]

get an ogryn shield buddy to stand at your end, everyone else behind him, let the horde come in across the path, then the psyker runs out to the bridge and vents pushing a bunch off to their doom

oh

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lethal lagoon]

Why does his team need to help him?

[long wharf]

"natural recommendation" is to just play the game

[hexed geyser]

You're funny

[long wharf]

and it'll happen when it happens

[lethal lagoon]

He can just wait for them to go ahead on their own and run back to that spot

[hexed geyser]

Anyway, updating you in 30 minutes after a mission.

[orchid nest]

I would personally just do it solo with the MMT mod to load an old mission but I know some people don't want to use mods or figure that out

[long wharf]

bots will attack and kill your horde

suboptimal

[hexed geyser]

In the tree room? And yeah i don't use mods

[long wharf]

he's talking about way past the tree room

[orchid nest]

yeah they will but it doesn't matter anymore to be honest with 7. they still help by keeping them on the catwalk for a moment. I did it with bots when it was 20

[ornate hamlet]

Gl

[long wharf]

past where the path splits

[hexed geyser]

THAT one is in the escape right?

[long wharf]

yes

[lethal lagoon]

After the tree room.

[long wharf]

when you're running across the two pipes with non-OSHA compliant railing

[lethal lagoon]

There's one spot when you first get on the pipe and it curves, the game just dumps little guys there right next to the edge

[hexed geyser]

Let's go i'm trying that

[long wharf]

there's a bend in the path where you can put your back to the wall, and in front of you is a break in the railing

let the horde get around you, yell at them to knock them off

[orchid nest]

yeah that spot is good too

[long wharf]

honestly, the best way to penance hunt is to use the solutions that don't require going through an entire mission to do them

[hexed geyser]

I just haven't played hab dreyko in forever, that's why i chose that one

[long wharf]

just queue up for the one with the option at the beginning

if it doesn't work, quit and requeue

save yourself time and headache

you aren't obligated to complete missions you start

we aren't really living on the MourningStar 🙂

[orchid nest]

yeah I didn't want to bother anyone with getting it when I was doing it so I did the chasm logistratum one solo on damnation. people weren't queueing damnation really at that point so you'd be solo for a decent amount of time

[lethal lagoon]

But by completely Hab Dreyko you are also working towards the best frame cosmetic penance

[long wharf]

do you mean by completing missions with hazards?

because I've got that one already

[orchid nest]

I'm almost there on that one, 20 more

he means the 250 investigations one

[long wharf]

ugh

I only recently passed 100 investigations

[lethal lagoon]

I just run hab dreyko when I do my Ogryn's contracts, easy enough

I can push an idiot team through that map like butter.

[orchid nest]

yeah ogryn helps a lot now that the end event is actually difficult

[crimson holly]

Only as Pysker or Not Plasmavet

[orchid nest]

the answer is always just - ogryn

I didn't even bother doing twins hard mode on psyker. press ogryn button

[long wharf]

yep, same

[crimson holly]

I find orgyn very weak in dmg

[long wharf]

my group did it 3 ogryns and a zealot

you aren't playing with good ogryns, then

it's rare for my ogryn to not top damage numbers

especially when there are bosses to murder

[crimson holly]

Only Gunorgyn

[long wharf]

well, that's what Gungryn is for

[crimson holly]

Heavymeele is Just bad

[long wharf]

not with the mk19 poop shovel

[crimson holly]

Compard with Woundzealot.. eh

[olive tendon]

@long wharf worth waiting for T4 transfer peril or is the T3 not much worse?

[crimson holly]

4 Lights for Mauler

[long wharf]

you can always upgrade it later when you get t4

t3 is nearly as good

[crimson holly]

With 159% Attackspeed

[queen fog]

Must be doin something wrong imo, my melee-gryn’s very fun and can bleed things out in decent time

[olive tendon]

dont I only get 2 edits to a weapon?

[long wharf]

yep

[lethal lagoon]

You get 2 slots to edit

[long wharf]

2 slots

not two changes

[odd charm]

POV: watching people talk as if damage is the only thing that matters.

[long wharf]

you can make as many changes you want to the first two slots you modify

god I wish we could unlock the other slots on gear somehow

[lethal lagoon]

It's a horde game, nothing is going to be more important than killing shit.

[odd charm]

If that is the case, you should never go down.

and if you do, skill issue.

[lethal lagoon]

Outside of buggy stuff, that's pretty accurate for a pre-made.

[long wharf]

outside of barrel-happy players, yes

[olive tendon]

okay so heres where im at then

[orchid nest]

ogryn heavies with bleed are good but with the specific blessings you need like a 3b club with thunderous and skullcrusher it goes from good to insane

[long wharf]

use the one on the right

[odd charm]

I play Aluric casually with this

[long wharf]

and replace run-n-gun with transfer peril

[long wharf]

sweet jesus, you put crit damage on your staff?

do you hate yourself?

[odd charm]

I don't struggle.

[long wharf]

that's not what I asked

do you find your visage in the mirror repugnant?

does your mind recoil when it ponders itself?

[crimson holly]

2* Balls on Crit- is also nice

[lethal lagoon]

You struggle enough to complain about people discussing damage...

[orchid nest]

it's a normal mistake for people that don't know the tides games well. crit damage is usually crazy. but yeah not great here

[crimson holly]

I use it alot

[long wharf]

yesa, I run nexus+surge myself on my void staff

[long wharf]

you also don't seem to understand the handcuffs you have placed upon your own wrists

[shadow wigeon]

You may as well replace the +crit damage with anything else, as it doesn’t really do anything on this staff. I woukd remove terrifying barrage as well. You’ll probably find you will.l not notice when it’s gone.

[lethal lagoon]

Given the purg already "terrifyies" people, I wonder if terrifying barrage actually has negative interactions with the staff's natural functions.

[olive tendon]

For end game content what kind of curios should I be using for good outcomes?

[long wharf]

actually, +armor damage matters on purge

[olive tendon]

whats a good stat?

[long wharf]

the damage your soulblaze stacks do is affected by it

as well as the direct damage your purge projectiles do

[odd charm]

We playing the same game? Kinda crazy.

[crimson holly]

Crit helps against Mauler

And Higher Stagger

[long wharf]

and you really want warp nexus on there instead of terrifying barrage

[odd charm]

Malice darktide is very different from Auric. enough to be a different game.

so that checks out.

[crimson holly]

Malice Darktide ist empty

[queen fog]

Try quickplay malice instead

[crimson holly]

Any Mission without 200 Spez, 150 Elites and 2500+ Lesser Mobs ist empty

[queen fog]

Oh u meant horde size

Thought he was talkin players

[orchid nest]

everything they said is correct though. purgatus has a large amount of built in suppression and you are likely misattributing what is happening to the blessing. and crit damage does very little in this game because it only calculates the difference between the hit and the crit hit. not to mention it's a purg staff which is even worse

[crimson holly]

That 2

[odd charm]

10% chance for all elites to turn into monstrocities.

[queen fog]

Quickplay a great fixer to this for me

[long wharf]

for the purge staff, crit is absolute priority #1

crits apply 2 stacks of soulblaze instead of 1

you put crit chance in a perk slot and you put warp nexus in a blessing slot

[crimson holly]

Nearly only playing t5 high with people i know

[cold ivy]

i've done auric pretty comfortably with gray ~300 power weapons because i forgot to equip the newly rolled oranges, but that doesn't mean gray weapons are as strong as oranges

[odd charm]

Its nice being able to clear Damnation in 20mins

[cold ivy]

it's true that you can do auric with subpar weapons, but it's also true that you can get even stronger!

[crimson holly]

Normal? Easyly

[prime saddle]

is this sword any good - or does the lack of finesse make it not great?

[crimson holly]

How much Plasteel und Coins do you have?

For the start good enough

[queen fog]

The power of inspect goes crazy to figure out how much the stat can effect the weapon

Even shows the maximum/minimum the stat can give

[crimson holly]

If you have Like 1,5kk and 25k Mats. Get better

[prime saddle]

ok

[crimson holly]

Godrolls a rare

[prime saddle]

i dont have many but thanks for the advice

[odd charm]

gotta do 19 more games and I completed all my penences for Psyker.

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-me-when-looking-stare-are-you-serious-gif-11132620111287096186

[crimson holly]

Find Weapon you Like to Play

[crimson holly]

You Always can get better later

[prime saddle]

speaking of good rolls i heard warp resistance was a dump stat - would that be good for this?

[crimson holly]

Just with Zealot i used 10kk Coins on only Meele

And 8kk on Range

[crimson holly]

Depens on blessings

Most weapons live and die with the blessing

DMG is a bit low But If you got good blessings its good enough 🙂

[prime saddle]

im guessing these arent great

[hexed geyser]

And the perks?

[odd charm]

So long as you got good quell speed you should be good, Just have to be careful about blasting at around 90+ because game can be dump and pop your head like a egg in the microwave if your not paying attention.

[crimson holly]

Perks are importend

[crimson holly]

Do you Like the staff?