psyker-class

[raw token]

i have 80/80/80/80/58 where 58 is the charge rate

[proven stirrup]

Well that was fast

[tulip kettle]

If you're running a flurry build not too much

Those stats sound great

[spiral minnow]

is this good starting point? 76+ burn, any other stat needs some threshhold?

[tulip kettle]

Just cloud radius as high as possible for range purposes

Again a great base staff

[spiral minnow]

i saw 80% max, why? there is no 100%? .)

[tulip kettle]

For which stat?

Radius? I'm not at my PC so can't test any specific thresholds, but the actual range of the flames scales with radius

So it's important for it to be as high as possible

And yes 80 is currently the max stat

[spiral minnow]

i get that, jsut asking if 80% is cap, bcs didnt see more than that, in that case 77 seems good to me .) ty

[tulip kettle]

The actual max is 100

And the underlying stats scale to 100

But you can't get rolls over 80 currently

With staffs though perks and blessings are completely make or break

[spiral minnow]

ok, how do u rebless?

[tulip kettle]

You shouldn't change any blessings or perks until it's gold tier

Then you would change them at hadron

[spiral minnow]

i see, i need to debless guns to earn them for reblessing

[tulip kettle]

Honestly if you have this low experience of the craft system and how it works it may be worth trying to understand that before min maxing for fractions of percentages

[tulip kettle]

Precisely

So you will be buying weapons from different places just to destroy them for the blessings

Once you have the blessing it can then be applied to other weapons of the same type

All perks are unlocked to level 4 by default so no worries there

And you can only modify 2 of the 4 blessings/perks

Which is why getting good stat rolls on a weapon is a good start, but also the easiest bit and not very uncommon

[unkempt parcel]

Melee only Soulblaze trauma

[tulip kettle]

What I see is 3 bots on your team

Nah jk wp man

[unkempt parcel]

[tulip kettle]

But I can't handle any trauma builds they make me cringe

[proven stirrup]

I'm starting to feel the same

[tulip kettle]

Throw everything around but not kill it

[unkempt parcel]

Filling kill feed makes the voices be quiet tho

[tulip kettle]

Team mates get low DMG because everything always on the floor

Look guys I carried the game!

Doesn't do it for me

Rather pop 20 heads with a bowling ball

[spiral minnow]

also what secondary blessing would u rather have? run n gun or teryfying barrage?

[tulip kettle]

Neither

They are both utter trash

[stone canyon]

Would be quite the paywall if 100 base stats opened up with expensive expansion/DLC

[tulip kettle]

Terrible barrage does precisely nothing

[spiral minnow]

i got them both and want to change 1 to crit .)))

[tulip kettle]

And run n gun is garbage

[tawny jetty]

What's your void staff build like?

[spiral minnow]

run n gun could be useleful in soma cases if the other one is useles

[hexed geyser]

It could be useful but it's a waste of a slot so it's never worth it

[tulip kettle]

On purgatus, you need warp nexus blessing, then crit chance and flak perks

As a priority

Most people look for flurry as the second blessing

As you can only change 2 things it's easy to see how your 80 rolls staff can be made useless by hadron.

I like running transfer and flurry on void

With flak and cara

But I have a godroll nexus/surge one

I think infinite casting is more important than bigger booms

[spiral minnow]

well i just need some starting point to continue playing harder difficulties .))
i will make perfect roll another time .)

[queen fog]

Don’t aim for perfect sibling aim for realiable

[tulip kettle]

That's great

[queen fog]

Your wallet will thank u later with the plasteel and oros still being intact

[spiral minnow]

sure, rn i got amazing improvement from 300 blue with garbage to at least something .)

[tulip kettle]

You won't notice much difference between that and a perfect one

[tawny jetty]

I have a good void w surge but I might have to try the speed casting version. Sometimes the charge times gets annoying.

[tulip kettle]

Yup flurry + transfer + battle meditation talent

Shoot a fully charged shot every second, forever

[rocky raven]

flurry/nexus void is more consistent yes

[tulip kettle]

Lol no

Not flurry nexus

Nexus with aurge

Flurry with transfer

Either or not mix and match

[rocky raven]

surge/nexus is better if the roll is solid and you know how to leverage it/ride the peril/flick etc to keep the surge procs consistent

[tulip kettle]

It's what allows you to hit new breakpoints, without surge nexus is useless

On void specifically

[tulip kettle]

Every crit adds 2 burn stacks instead of 1. The plan is burn stuff to max stacks then shout at it to push it up over the cap to 20 burn stacks

[spiral minnow]

build so far, rolled deflector on weapon, anything u would change?

[spiral minnow]

cleansing flame .)

[silk vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/noice-nice-click-gif-8843762

[rich jolt]

Guys bowling ball staff or weird ground eruption staff im making a new build

[tulip kettle]

Bowling ball 10 times out of 10 for me

Why knock it down when I can just instagib it

And it still falls down if I dont

[tulip kettle]

Looks workable

You can potentially cut quietitude for something else as you probably won't be doing much quelling beyond your shriek

[muted obsidian]

Why not guns?

[rich jolt]

Already have three gunker builds

Dont need more

[tulip kettle]

Gunpsyker boring at this point annnnd

Voidstrike is just better plasma vet, change my mind

[muted obsidian]

Gunpsyker is just way too good not to use always

[rich jolt]

Whatre you talking about

[tulip kettle]

"no ammo pick ups" intensifies

[muted obsidian]

That is a modifier I do not play

[tulip kettle]

Gunpsyker is great sure. It's also boring af and sucks that it's only actually that great with one gun

[rich jolt]

He meant that generally. You can spam staff you gotta be careful with your ammo as psyker

Saying its boring and bad isnt true but it is weaker than staff

[muted obsidian]

Columnus has hella good ammo economy

[tulip kettle]

I run it with agrip IAC but I know it's just worse than columnus

Lol no it dont

The other 2 have better ammo economy

But as Arco taught me yesterday, columnus is broken because of the crit string interaction

[muted obsidian]

I've never ran out of ammo with columnus, might have gone down to 2-3 mags but never out

[rich jolt]

I mean if you have a surv vet on your team you dont gotta worry about ammo but surv is for sure getting nerfed into the dirt soon its the best aura in the game

Well

[tulip kettle]

Yup and if your vet don't have it or you don't have a vet what then

[rich jolt]

If not best still really op

[silk vigil]

You bleed through columnus ammo pretty fast if you don’t have a vet feeding you yummy rations.

[muted obsidian]

If a vet doesn't use it, vet doesn't deserve any ammo pickups, simple

[silk vigil]

I like gunker but hate having to fight for ammo on auric damnation with a zealot or non-surv vet.

[rich jolt]

What about your other two teammates

[tulip kettle]

I am also a warp charges on scriers gunker enjoyer

[silk vigil]

Staff just goes boom

[tulip kettle]

Because DD is the worst keystone in the game imo

[rich jolt]

Also wtf are you talking about

[muted obsidian]

Vets without surv

[rich jolt]

Yes?

And why do they not deserve ammo if they choose damage or speed?

[muted obsidian]

Vet can have the ammo i leave for him if i'm gunning and he ain't surving

[silk vigil]

I wouldn’t go that far. If I have krak grenades I don’t run surv because those extra points could be put into something else.

[tulip kettle]

Why are u arguing with the roleplaying ogryn

[rich jolt]

Seems immature to keep your teammate from getting ammo just because he doesnt wanna make the game a slog by choosing infinite ammo arua

[silk vigil]

I bet the ogryn doesn’t even have rations.

[rich jolt]

Lack of anything better to do

[silk vigil]

Silly ogryn.

[muted obsidian]

I play all classes equally, too lazy to change avatars

[tulip kettle]

No dude just the way you're being obnoxious and talking about others as though they are lesser than you for not playing how you want is pretty ogryn like

[digital narwhal]

Cleave Damage isn't all that necessary for Mk IV DSword, ye?

[tulip kettle]

I HATE purgatus psykers in my game but I'm not gonna leave em on the floor

[spiral minnow]

what instead of that? BB after shriek?

[silk vigil]

Damn…I’m gonna take that personally

Not sharing my rations with you.

[tulip kettle]

Yeah can be good means you can spam BB on any remaining crushers or maulers after your shriek

I don't like being too rigid with talent builds, everyone has preferences and you got the key nodes

[spiral minnow]

could probably take 1 toughness boost to stay alive .) but i use bb only for sniping, otherwise staff can deal with pretty much anything, or maybe psykinetic aura for faster shriek CD

[muted obsidian]

Ogryn like? What is that? :DD

[digital narwhal]

I found Nadia Seymour on the Mourningstar
I swear that name is familiar

[tulip kettle]

Staff cannot deal with carapace

[dapper shadow]

weirdass scrier's gaze voidstrike build but I can only fire maybe 4-5 charged shots before it becomes unsustainable

[tulip kettle]

Scriers gaze sucks with staffs imo

[dapper shadow]

I wanna try to make it work anyways

[tulip kettle]

Complete anti synergy, fair enough!

I think you will NEED the transfer blessing on whatever staff

[spiral minnow]

BB for that, if only kinetic flyer didnt have 15 sec internal CD non ramdomness of it...

[dapper shadow]

to add onto that, scrier's gaze wants low peril

[tulip kettle]

And obviously void seems the choice

[dapper shadow]

and warp nexus wants high peril

this is great

[tulip kettle]

Hehe

Like, yeah sure, that staff is what you need for that build attempt

But it just seems super weak overall

No synergy, gaining nothing from scriers, quelling in scriers duration is doodoo

So like what is the purpose of it all

[hot zephyr]

Voidstrike can get Warp Flurry right?

[rocky raven]

yes

[hexed geyser]

That's pretty much the perfect purgatus right?

[rocky raven]

yup that'll work

[hot zephyr]

I could see a Voidstrike with flurry/transfer and battle med working with a gaze/DD build, but it seems over-optimized for the gaze time, which is only ever going to be like 25% of your dps time

[rocky raven]

still a waste, youll do more dmg not trying to dance around the few shots scriers gives

[hot zephyr]

Beautiful, I'd even just leave that second modification unused

[hexed geyser]

Yeah i'm cleaning my inventory and asking on discord so i don't do something stupid

That voidstrike

unarmored and barrage gtg

[odd charm]

anything with armor breaking is broken af.

[hot zephyr]

So to be clear, that purgatus is maybe about 5 points (of 380) stats distribution of literally perfect, and you'll see no human-perceivable difference on flak 20 vs 25 or flurry 3 vs 4.

Definitely a keep-forever

[hexed geyser]

Yeah or change something if they nerf a blessing to the ground or buff something

[hasty breach]

agh there's a perfect obscurus in melk's

should i get it if they become good again ;_;

[odd charm]

Terrifying barriage is a keeper for sure. Really helps you control mobs

[tulip kettle]

Terrifying barrage

Does nothing

It is not a keeper

It's a wasted blessing

[hexed geyser]

Yeah lol it's not something i would keep over surge xD

[odd charm]

Pfffftttttttt

[tulip kettle]

It does literally nothing

[hexed geyser]

Just shoot they are already suppressed

Or dead

[hot zephyr]

This you probably swap terrifying barrage for something else. Lots of good options to pick from. Flak is great and maybe you change unarmoured, maybe you don't.

Again, also a keeper

[rocky raven]

drop unarmored for elite or maniac

[tulip kettle]

Nope

It's a nexus void

[hexed geyser]

Maybe carapace unless i play bb?

[hot zephyr]

I'd actually say Unyielding for boss DPS, but there's lots of choice

[tulip kettle]

The only reason to run it over a flurry/transfer void is to 1 hit crushers and maulers

[rocky raven]

yea its a flex perk slot

[hot zephyr]

You can't really go-wrong on void when it comes to damage perks. Flak, Cara, Maniac, Unyield are all viable

[tulip kettle]

In which case you take Cara to hit the breakpoint

[rocky raven]

thats not the only reason lol

[tulip kettle]

It really is lol

I have both

[rocky raven]

learn to flick the surge proc well and it has quite a few uses outside that one case

[tulip kettle]

Lol

Lolol

Okay bud 🙂

[hexed geyser]

I'd want surge with nexus i guess?

[tulip kettle]

Yes

Surge/ nexus. Or flurry/transfer

[hexed geyser]

Yeah this one will be nexus for sure

[tulip kettle]

I think shooting 50 fully charged shots 1 per second with no downtime

Is better than sometimes shooting a second lower damage strike

And needing to constantly pause charging to quell

The proc of surge on void doesn't inherit bonus or crit dmg

[hexed geyser]

So you'd rather have a flurry transfer than a nexus surge

[tulip kettle]

So it's not as good as people think

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, my void build will likely become a flurry/transfer. Hadron blessed me with transfer 3 and then the salvo one that affects 3rd/4th shots

[tulip kettle]

It's good for 1 shotting crushers which you otherwise cant

[hot zephyr]

So to rescue it I think I need flurry

[tulip kettle]

Lol salvo on staffs kek

Yup flurry for salvo

Then flak and maniac/Cara/unyield

[hexed geyser]

Alright, then i have my regular guns, which ones are recommended for gunker? (and if you don,t like it... doesn't matter 🙂 )

[hot zephyr]

I gotta check, I think I rolled cara/groaners. one sec

[tulip kettle]

Columus

I like to use the agrip mk 1 IAC

But it's strictly worse than the columnus

[hexed geyser]

mk5?

[tulip kettle]

Wow

That one's pretty good lol

[hexed geyser]

lmao i have too much good stuff i don't know how i got

[muted obsidian]

Good luck rolling that perfect one

[hexed geyser]

I can do it right now...

[tulip kettle]

Hadron will for sure brick it

[hexed geyser]

Let's test it

[muted obsidian]

Show the results pls

[tulip kettle]

You want dum dum blessing and flak perk

Others are flexible

[hexed geyser]

Pretty sure hadron just did

[lone ravine]

F

[tulip kettle]

HAH

[hot zephyr]

That's a beaut

[tulip kettle]

Rip brother

[hexed geyser]

Well it was never meant to be

[hot zephyr]

wait wait wait. You can partially salvage that

[tulip kettle]

You can make it useable

[lone ravine]

It could be decent swapping raking fire and sprint or infest dmg

[hexed geyser]

But i'll never get that perfect 550 with good blessings

[tulip kettle]

But it's even more mats

[hot zephyr]

Infested -> Unyielding
Speedload -> Dum Dum

[tulip kettle]

I think keep infested

[hot zephyr]

And suddenly it wrecks bosses

[tulip kettle]

And remove sprint

[hot zephyr]

cus raking fire will proc on unyield

[hexed geyser]

I think i'll just keep it like that for now because i'm not using it

[tulip kettle]

What? Does it?

Like on non rear angle hits?

[hot zephyr]

It's literally tested by Pygex. You get behind the boss and rip him to pieces

It's in the athenium

[tulip kettle]

Right so no

It procs normally

[hexed geyser]

But in the back, which should be fine agaisnt bosses

[tulip kettle]

You're just more likely to be behind them

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, bosses are easier to get behind

[tulip kettle]

Mhmm. Yeah so I would keep infested

[hot zephyr]

Here's my void I just blessed up the other day but haven't fixed yet

[hexed geyser]

Why can't psykers get shroudfield...

[tulip kettle]

And swap sprint for unyield

[rare arrow]

I thought the mk8 columbus was the boss killing weapon

[hot zephyr]

No, always mark 5

[tulip kettle]

It's the everything killer

Is there 2 on psyker?

I don't think you have access to braced.

[hot zephyr]

No, you can't get the braced autoguns on psyker

We get the shredder pistols instead

[rare arrow]

I’m pretty sure in the psyker steam guide they list the mk8 as the boss killer

[plucky flax]

Creeping flame is the most op ability in game so we gud

[tulip kettle]

Well it's wrong

[rare arrow]

I don’t play gun psyker, so I haven’t tried them to see

[tulip kettle]

You use mk5

[hot zephyr]

I play gun psyker / psylot main. It's a mk 5

[hexed geyser]

Wait i just realised, that's a good flurry transfer?

[hot zephyr]

Columnus IS the gun-psyker weapon of choice. It's not the only choice, but it's always the correct one

[tulip kettle]

That's very useable voidstrike there

Should feel great

[hexed geyser]

You see, i was about to sell that because of the other one.

[tulip kettle]

Spam out 2 quick charged shota

[hot zephyr]

I think the other one can be improved to be better than this, maybe eat this for flurry 4 to put on the other one?

[tulip kettle]

Then start fully charging and spamming at headheight

I'm on mob, can you post them side by side?

[jovial otter]

Bruh how? It seems kinda trash to me

[hot zephyr]

It adds 6 SB stacks to targets no matter how many stacks they already have. You can get above the stacks a purg can apply/maintain with it for insane dps

[rare arrow]

It solo clears hordes, and can save you if you hit 100% peril

[plucky flax]

Idk you press f and apply 6 stacks of burn on an infinite amount of units within the big radius. Seems okay to me.

[tulip kettle]

Keep the left one as is

The right one save it until you have surge blessing

Then you have great rolls for both kinds of void staff

[jovial otter]

Counterpoint: bubble

[rare arrow]

Bubble is a crutch

Don’t get me wrong you can grab smite and bubble and clear everything slowly and safely

[plucky flax]

No need for that. People enjoy different things man

[rare arrow]

Sit at the bottom of the scoreboard knowing that all you did was held some enemies in place for your team and hid

[tulip kettle]

Not to mention, over the max stacks cap

[plucky flax]

Max stack of creeping flame is 31 so it's unlikely you can hit it.

[rare arrow]

Bubble is absolutely good

[tulip kettle]

I mean the max you can apply

[rare arrow]

It’s just a slower, more defensive play style

[tulip kettle]

In any other normal way aka from your staff

[plucky flax]

Then you apply more and stuff burn harder?

[ionic sorrel]

Using anything but melee with staff is a crutch.

[rare arrow]

I like to hit 1 M damage, but if all you want is wins or if you’re still learning to position the. Bubble is very good

[ionic sorrel]

Y'all know who you are.

[tulip kettle]

Heh

Kinetic flayer and staff push only run

[queen fog]

By this logic I could call ogryn’s rock a crutch

[rare arrow]

I was an assail/bubble psyker for like 200 hours after patch dropped

Then found BB/Trauma/EP and realized we could just murder everything

[hexed geyser]

"we"?

lol

[rare arrow]

Psykers, yea

[hexed geyser]

Beloved got into his head forever

[lone ravine]

Ogryn rock is too silly to be a crutch

[hot zephyr]

I'm not far off that myself, I was using bubble gunker until last night when I tried SG again and watched the world die in front of me

[prime elk]

i just play whatever i feel like playing, either way, i'll prob do ok in auric anyway

variety is the spice of life

[hexed geyser]

Yeah, i could just play one meta build and farm forever, but darktide isn,t a ranked game

That's the fun of it, getting good with everything

[jovial otter]

Cant always know if your teammates are actually capable of contributing

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, it's better to have a few different builds to plug holes in teams and tailor to the mission/terrain. You can easily struggle with a meta-build in the wrong situations.

[hexed geyser]

Like orthus offensive lmao

[dapper shadow]

thanks armoury

nice dump stat

[hexed geyser]

Nice

[hot zephyr]

Oof. Cursed

It will absolutely positively, kill anything standing on this 1mm wide line

[dapper shadow]

warp nexus pls

[hexed geyser]

I call transfer peril

[hot zephyr]

Nah, terrifying barrage

[hexed geyser]

bet

[dapper shadow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/592592037144952832.webp?size=48&name=PepeHands&quality=lossless

one more mission

I ran outta plasteel

[hexed geyser]

NAH

You keep us here for another 30 minutes?

[dapper shadow]

20

[jovial otter]

Clearly its gonna be riposte

[hot zephyr]

I cannot retain this emotional level for 20 minutes

[hexed geyser]

Which one are you doing? i'll try to join

[hot zephyr]

-perils-

[hexed geyser]

Alright, thank you for everything, i guess i'll go back to trying warp battery because it's a fun penance and i want his cosmetic

[jovial otter]

Warp battery was the worst one for me by far

[ionic needle]

It was easier before patch 13 when BB just refreshed charges

[hexed geyser]

I don,t play bb so i don,t have the other ones unlocked yet, but battery has been pissing me off for the last 6 hours of playtime

[jovial otter]

Gotta get a whole group helping you for it otherwise its basically impossible, even then it is hard.

[hexed geyser]

I did 247s, then fking elevator

[lone ravine]

Gotta love getting close to finishing the challenge then 0 enemies anywhere close to you

[hexed geyser]

I run off to spawn dogs and trapper, seriously

[tulip kettle]

Do you need to survive the mission to get it?

[spiral minnow]

or elevator

[tulip kettle]

I got it pre patch 13 fortunately

[noble copper]

should i replace stamina with crit chance or flak?

[spiral minnow]

is there some endless wave for doing warp battery?

[hexed geyser]

I don't think you need to finish, i think it's one of those you get midway into the mission

[tulip kettle]

not these days

If I don't need to finish the mission I'm sure it's easy

[hexed geyser]

I've been doing histg but it's not always perfect

[tulip kettle]

You*

[jovial otter]

Vigil station oblivium has a part where you have to scan some stuff right before an elevator but if no one scans, stuff just keeps spawning infinitely, works quite well if the whole team is on board

[ionic needle]

I'm running something like this on my fire trauma setup right now. I dropped warp battery for wildfire in order to get more charges with in fire reborn in order to do even more creeping flames damage. However I'm not really sure this is worth it, any fire trauma pros out there with some advice?

[tulip kettle]

You could just load an unpopular mission with bots, take the talent for 4% on kill and intentionally play slow and abuse the specials

[hexed geyser]

I abuse the specials so much, idk how it would be possible otherwise

Sniping them with a surge staff

[tulip kettle]

I think flak over crit chance

[tulip kettle]

Like, just kill things for 5 minutes

[jovial otter]

Not as easy as it sounds

[tulip kettle]

If it's your sole focus and you don't care about anything else

I'm sure it's easy

[hexed geyser]

It's not

[jovial otter]

You could not be farther from the truth

[hexed geyser]

Because one dog or gunner stolen by a teamate at the wrong time means you restart the 5 minutes timer

[jovial otter]

Exactly

[tulip kettle]

Team mates?

[hexed geyser]

yeah

[tulip kettle]

Queue auric heresy

[zinc phoenix]

You can pretty easily stack warp charges on Damnation, tons of baddies to refresh the stacks

[tulip kettle]

Get 0 joiners

Ez

[zinc phoenix]

Always do the 4% on kill thing tho, it is blessed

[queen fog]

Ya the 10% on soulblaze kill ain’t as effective unless u got multiple purg psykers napalming the area imo

[hexed geyser]

Yeah i've researched all that before starting, it's when there's nothing that it gets hard. During a wave i'm fine.

[jovial otter]

I'm down to help later if you need it

[hexed geyser]

Thanks, my discord pause is over now, i'm going back to it

[jovial otter]

Good luck bro

[verbal dome]

brilliant

[loud sonnet]

I just did it using the revolver

Revolver is goated

[granite mauve]

the years are cruel

[rich jolt]

That is NOT mob

[granite mauve]

he old now

we're in the 41st millenium

[verbal dome]

what level psyker would mob be in wh40k?

[odd charm]

0

[rich jolt]

He meant psyker grade not ingame level

Probably alpha

If not, beta

[vestal rose]

hello guys i have a question does this psyker head change his voice in game like the giulius one ?

[long wharf]

Nope

[vestal rose]

the giulius one does change the voice tho right ?

[long wharf]

Only rebreather masks modify voices

[vestal rose]

i see thank you <3

[long wharf]

FartShack really should indicate which head cosmetics modify voices

And have an audio preview of the modified voice

[vestal rose]

^

[dapper shadow]

god that HI mission took way longer than expected

[hexed geyser]

now i want to see the blessing

[snow coral]

i was just thinking what the longest mission was... I think I had an auric 5 go ~40 minutes once?

and it was just a constant grind of 3 steps forward 2 steps back as wave after wave came

[dapper shadow]

dead

I never wanted to play voidstrike anyways

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/930952645097701417.webp?size=48&name=Copium&quality=lossless

[dapper shadow]

yeah look at this sweet laspistol I got for psyker

who needs voidstrike

but maybe I can upgrade my fire trauma

for sure

[plucky flax]

Decent roll.

[dapper shadow]

not decent roll

and its dead just like that

[long wharf]

it's salvageable for flurry+rending

[long wharf]

honestly still salvageable

but yeah, Hadron is giggling behind your back as she works

[dapper shadow]

I do have this

[long wharf]

well, show us what the final upgrade is

[dapper shadow]

no plasteel

[long wharf]

boooo

here, let me Venmo some plasteel to you

what's your Vox address?

[dapper shadow]

I wish

Too poor to own a phone

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/512688851320569906.webp?size=48&name=aquaSmug&quality=lossless

If only they let us convert diam to plasteel

[long wharf]

yep

[rare arrow]

Just let me do anything with it. I should not have 50k dia

[dapper shadow]

buying cosmetics :^)

[long wharf]

I wouldn't mind if we had different purposes for the different materials

[dapper shadow]

but nah just sell the next reskin for $20

[long wharf]

like let me upgrade blessings to tiers I don't have with diamantine

[dapper shadow]

with different shades of colors

[long wharf]

or charge me 10k diamantine to unlock another slot of my weapon

[dapper shadow]

Use diam to reset things back to white would be good enough

everyone will be happy

[long wharf]

or charge me 1k diamantine to reroll my base modifiers

just something

[dapper shadow]

how long has this been a problem

I only started at the start of this patch

[long wharf]

since the "crafting" system released

which was very clearly a rush job because it didn't exist at game release

the UI had "Coming soon" text over the UI buttons at Hadron

absolutely disgraceful

[dapper shadow]

man they have such a good core gameplay

Devs pls

[long wharf]

yep

I think FartShack honestly lucked into the goodness of the gameplay

they took Vermintide gameplay, polished it, and then handed the rest of the game to the interns and new hires

every single game mechanic/system besides the moment-to-moment gameplay felt like utter shit at release

shit broken, not working as described, hidden mechanics, just everything felt like a last minute bandaid to get the game released

honestly, Darktide needed a year in the oven to be considered a proper game

if it had released into Early Access, absolutely nobody would have blasted it like we did

instead, we paid a minimum of $60 to beta test the game, and at every step of the way, lies, broken promises, and insults from FartShack

the game is in a good state right now, even though there's still much more that FartShack needs to work on

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, like honestly. I had some RL stuff that happened, and I played at release until about Feb 23 (~a year ago) and I came back to the game in late November 23 and honestly things had changed so much, but also everything just felt right and better

[ionic needle]

I'd like a system where I could spend resources on upgrading specific stats, say 1% per step, up to a total of 380

[hot zephyr]

Massive changes, but core gameplay was the same/improved, but all the other mechanics around it were so much better

[long wharf]

everyone would

[hot zephyr]

Eh, I come from Borderlands, where "good enough" is all you get, and I don't mind the imperfect rolls

Gives the weapons some character

If you're someone who really loves min-maxing, it's horrible

But it's good for casual play

[long wharf]

FartShack had a whole interview months before the closed beta where they talked about how players would be able to customize their weapons

[ionic needle]

I don't really mind not having god tier weapons, but the amount of RNG when rolling new ones is just annoying

I can live with 4% crit instead of 5%, but not being able to change crit damage to flak because I also rolled two shit blessings is really annoying

[long wharf]

then closed beta happened

[thick valley]

I felt the same way. I noticed a change when FatShark got funding from Tencent in 2021

[long wharf]

then open beta happened

and the Hedge gave his (in)famous quote - "Darktide isn't Call of Duty"

when people asked what happened with customizing weapons

[hot zephyr]

If it had been CoD I wouldn't have bought it

[long wharf]

same

[harsh urchin]

did hedge get firef

Or is he still there

[long wharf]

about Tencent - Tencent doesn't dictate to studios how they make their game

Tencent's business model is "We invest in you so you can make both of us money in your way"

I 100% blame FartShack leadership, devs, and their total incompetence

Hedge is no longer with FartShack

but I've not read or heard as to the particulars

[thick valley]

Who’s Hedge?

[long wharf]

I'd love it if he was finally fired, but I doubt that

Hedge was the community manager for Vermintide games

[thick valley]

oh!

[long wharf]

and the Big Voice of FartShack to its players at large

known for his constant foot-in-mouth approach to interacting with people

before Catfish was hired on to be Darktide's CM, we had Hedge

[hot zephyr]

Well, as someone whose worked in software a long time... people do not know what they want. they think they know what they want, but that is a lie

[long wharf]

oh I'm well aware

I've been writing software for over 3 decades now

nobody truly knows what they want

[harsh urchin]

Tbh i think weapon customization might not necessarily hve made the game better

[long wharf]

I whole-heartedly disagree

it's not a necessary thing by any measure

but the popularity of the weapon customization mods makes it clear that it'd work quite well

the game was literally designed for swapping weapon parts

[harsh urchin]

How popular is the mod

[hot zephyr]

the problem is weapon customization affects game play balance

[long wharf]

with people that mod Darktide? very.

[harsh urchin]

What is the MAU?

[long wharf]

yes, it can, and there's the rub

[harsh urchin]

Do you have actual numbers

Or are you just saying stuff

I dont see it being that popular, even within this discord

[long wharf]

didn't ask, don't care

[hot zephyr]

If the game allowed everyone to just have whatever customization they wanted, you'd see very quickly that people would simply do the math, and choose the "best" aka "popular" option 90% of the time

[harsh urchin]

So i dont know if "very" is true

LOL

Ok

[hot zephyr]

As a 40k tabletop player, this is exactly what happens in that game too

[long wharf]

and I think that's the big reason why FartShack abandoned weapon customization

the effort of balancing everything would be much higher than it is currently

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, warhammer in particular is very much a community with a lot of us super math nerdy types in it

we are gonig to do the math, and we are going to do it right

And as a result, trying to balance a game with lots of options for us is very difficult at best

[long wharf]

and we're going to obsess over it

[hot zephyr]

oh yeah. drooling levels of obsession

[long wharf]

it's why we dig into the Darktide code to figure out how things really work

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, so why take the time and effort to design 10 different options when 1/2 of them will be used

I'd argue if we got full customization, we would probably need to have LESS choices to compensate. One perk and one blessing per weapon for example, instead of 2

Adding even a pinch of RNG into something can solve very complex problems

[thick valley]

I think that Fatshark may have missed out on the opportunity to have players design characters like virtual 40k minis. Paints, accessories, etc

[hot zephyr]

A great example from a totally different gaming world: board games.

Settlers of Catan is a very simple and easy game. But it's simplicity comes from having 3 RNG elements that affect the players. The tiles being dealt, the values placed on the tiles, and the dice rolls that determine what happens during the gameplay loop.

Another game (that only crazy hardcore nerds have heard of) called Terra Mystica, is effectively the same game as Catan. But with ZERO RNG. It's 100% player decision and action based. That game is so much more complex, that even hardcore nerds have trouble playing it correctly.

In effect, I submit the conclusion, that by removing randomness, you actually increase complexity of a game.

[long wharf]

I personally think FartShack didn't think the customization thing all the way to its logical conclusion

balance doesn't have to be anything if the parts don't matter for weapon performance

[near wyvern]

We can immediately state that this is false. Sight picture makes a huge difference with guns regardless if they are virtual or real.

[long wharf]

but the opportunity to microtransaction weapon part cosmetics is huge

[hot zephyr]

Is it really tho?

[long wharf]

and yeah, I slap a holo-sight on every gun I can

[long wharf]

at actual microtransaction prices? absolutely

$1 for a fancy body

$1 for a fancy handle

not $20 for a weapon skin

FartShack doesn't understand the economics of microtransactions

[hot zephyr]

I mean, look at LoL. $20 for a new champ every few weeks, $45 if you want to two alt skins for it

Champ purchase rate with the bonus skins is like 3%

[long wharf]

as evidenced by rising prices of cosmetics in Darktide

[hot zephyr]

So they just started putting the extra skins in for free

Then they weren't obligated to make 2-3 extra skins for every champ they released cus it was free bonus items instead of part of the purchase expectation

[long wharf]

I honestly want to grab the FartShack CEO (or whoever is responsible for cosmetic pricing) and sit them down to talk about Economics 101

[hot zephyr]

I mean, plenty of people have $100 knife skins in CSGO

[long wharf]

there's a curve by which purchase activity happens, comparing price points and units sold

do you think double the people would have the skins if the skins were $50?

[hot zephyr]

No, it's probably about the same tbh

[long wharf]

right, because $50 is a lot

[hot zephyr]

(i also have a economics background, so I know where you're going tho)

[long wharf]

right

there's a point where the price enters a "reasonable for the average consumer" point

and that's where volume makes up for the decreased price

and considering the average quality of the Darktide cosmetics, we can be certain that not a lot of effort is really going into them

[hot zephyr]

Yeah but with art, which argubly all comestic items in games are art, there's a point where you won't sell more of it even at rock bottom prices too

[long wharf]

that's also true

and it further doesn't help that Warhammer 40K fans are known for spending money

like, a lot of money

and I'm very guilty of that, especially with Darktide

I have nearly every cosmetic for the psyker

except for the toilet bowls

[thick valley]

I would spend this too, if I had more control over the cosmetic items (colors, alterations, etc)

[harsh urchin]

the thing is that the "customizability" is a bit hollow, sight customizability mainly matters depending on what kind of gun you have
For example:
In a game like payday2: where most of the sights have the same stats, everyone uses the same sight - the small one with a dot (i think it's called speculator sight for all guns and sniper rifles have one that they all use.
In a game like cod: where i believe sights have stats attached, everyone uses the sight that has the best stats, regardless of how shitty the sight is

i believe it'll be that way in dt too

[hot zephyr]

Eh, we're thrifty some of us. I mean, if I tell you I own three 40k armies of 9000, 3000, and 1500 points each it sounds like I'm some kinda millionaire. really it's sunk cost dispersed over 22 years of playing that averages out to less than the cost of going out to the bar with your friends once a month

[long wharf]

Fashiontide is a very real thing

[harsh urchin]

everyone will use the same sight if there's no stats, and everyone will use the same sight if there are stats

[long wharf]

Darktide isn't a competitive game

people will use whatever they want if there are no stats

[harsh urchin]

that's not true lol

as i said

if there are no stats

everyone will use the "best one" visually

[long wharf]

people will use the sight they like the most

[near wyvern]

Well duh maximum clarity is what you want.

[harsh urchin]

the smallest one with the best dot

[long wharf]

if one sight gives an advantage over another, then absolutely you'll see people use the same one

[harsh urchin]

right, so that's an illusion of choice then lol

cuz we see that in pd2

[long wharf]

that doesn't fall into the "no stat" category however, because "no stat" also means "doesn't affect gameplay"

[harsh urchin]

there's like 30-40 sights

and everyone just uses 1

[long wharf]

it's not illusion at all, unless you aren't thinking about it

what about weapon bodies?

and stocks?

and barrels?

and grips?

[harsh urchin]

those have stats, so ppl use the ones with the best stats

[long wharf]

there are plenty of parts that can be purely cosmetics

[harsh urchin]

in pd2 at least

[long wharf]

I'm talking about Darktide, you brought up PD2

[harsh urchin]

i mean sure if they're purely cosmetic idc lmao

but for something like sights

[long wharf]

sigh

[harsh urchin]

they do affect gameplay so people will just always pick

the "best" one

[long wharf]

you know, someone once accused me of looking to pick arguments

[hot zephyr]

I mean, kinda.

Regardless of how you balance anything in a game:
5% of people will do what looks coolest to them, regardless of drawbacks
5% will use the mathematically best items only
90% will do whatever is popularized by the 5% meta setters

[long wharf]

buddy, they never met you

[harsh urchin]

this isn't necessarily true btw

for example, this is a poe class spread

it goes from 0.6% to 15%, which is quite good

[hot zephyr]

Ooo POE discussion, i like where this is going

[long wharf]

just stop

[hot zephyr]

lol

[long wharf]

jesus, why would you even bring up PoE?

[harsh urchin]

i think weapon customization is fine if it's cosmetic only

but the second it starts affecting gameplay, it devolves into degeneracy and is strictly worse than most of the other systems

[long wharf]

I largely agree, though I do like the idea of swapping a flashlight for a laser pointer or bayonet

[harsh urchin]

i think it'd be worse than crafting tbh

and it'll always be worse than the new class talent system

which I think is quite good

iirc, cod doesn't have a class talent system right?

so all the personal customization is in the weapon mods

correct me if i'm wrong, i dont play shit games

so all my knowledge on cod is 3rd party

[near drift]

Does cod still do the pick 10 system for create a class I liked that system

[hot zephyr]

Lord if I know, last time I played CoD they barely had weapon customization and perks. these days there's more blings and boops in that game than a vegas casino

I swear one day soon there's going to be an achievement in CoD for managing to actually launch the game on release day

[long wharf]

they know their audience

and I am not among them

regardless, Warhammer 40K is all about customizing your troops/kit

from the tabletop to other official GW games

[hot zephyr]

Eh, I'd argue they've been peeling that back in the tabletop game

[long wharf]

customizing our guns would fit right in

[harsh urchin]

hard to balance afaik

[hot zephyr]

unit sizes, wargear, special weapons are all getting to be just automatic things now

[long wharf]

let me slap purity seals all over myself like a cheap hooker

[harsh urchin]

i think they're very soon going to rework the crafting system

maybe in march or so

[long wharf]

I'd love to know why you think that

I honestly don't see a "rework" happening

[harsh urchin]

it's the only thing that's left that's primarily problematic in terms of gameplay

[long wharf]

refinement? sure.

[hot zephyr]

I am very lucky I was not drinking any of my tea when you wrote that. I would have probably spittaked my keyboard and monitor

[harsh urchin]

my thoughts is that they'll simplify the existing weapon grind

and make it trivial

ie: now you can craft 3 mods on a weapon instead of 2; and add another factor that's grindy as fuck

[long wharf]

there's a lot they could do within the current framework that would make the whole system tolerable

and it all starts with giving us agency

[harsh urchin]

so add a new resource that allows you to randomly push your stats from 80-100 but it's all RNG

[long wharf]

let us spend resources to fix what RNG gives us

[harsh urchin]

nah there's no way they're going to give agency lol

the whole thing is to get ppl

to grind a fuckton

they just gonna make the current system trivial

[long wharf]

see, I think that's where you're fundamentally wrong

[harsh urchin]

and make another system that's fucking grindy and annoying

after that

[long wharf]

I don't think FartShack has purposefully designed a system focusing on making players spend as much time as possible to do things

[harsh urchin]

so it becomes easy to get a good weapon with the correct perks + blessings; but now it's insanely hard to get a good weapon with the next system

[near drift]

My solution to the soul crushing grind hitting me is to say f that and boot up a different game

[long wharf]

I think FartShack is currently incompetent at game design and has pushed out the quickest solutions they can think of

[ornate hamlet]

The Division 2 created a grindy-ass system where you can slowly push non-maxed stats to max

[hot zephyr]

If anything, they are going to add what Payday 2 and CoD did and give us some sort of "regrind to 30 for some cosmetic bonus"

[harsh urchin]

ye div2 is really good

that's what I'm thinking tbh

[long wharf]

and those quick solutions involve making players grind

[harsh urchin]

like add in an "optimization" system that's grindy as fuck

and make the existing "recalibration" systems not as shitty

[granite mauve]

I drink a shot of Whiskey everytime my Savant psyker mentions the Lex Atoma

[long wharf]

the talent tree work indicates they're willing to spend time making things better

[long wharf]

it does get a tad obnoxious

[hot zephyr]

I mean, they could do what Wargaming.NET did, and give you an option to pay for premium grinding rates

that's definitely a great idea

(NOT)

[granite mauve]

I like it, it's the only lawful good personality in the roster

[long wharf]

honestly? I'd throw $30 at FartShack for a Darktide "upgrade package" where I got to pick the modifiers of a new gray weapon

[dapper shadow]

Every hour hadron gives you a list of perks/blessings which if you craft within that hour only gives you those

[harsh urchin]

the best part is that the system is designed in a way that it gets harder the higher up you go-
So rolling a weapon = super easy
recalibrating a weapon to be better = easy
optimizing a weapon's stats = medium
maxing a weapon via Weapon Expertise = hard

so there's always something for you to aim for

regardless of where you are in progression

I like that a lot lol

[ornate hamlet]

And getting a godroll is actually not a pain in the ass

[long wharf]

Darktide definitely lacks feelings of progression once you hit 30

[ornate hamlet]

Because the higher the difficulty, the better the loot you get from it

[harsh urchin]

yep that's what I think DT is going to do next

[long wharf]

we should get a little mats package whenever we "level" past 30

[harsh urchin]

I think they're going to make getting godrolls MUCH easier

but add a new system like opti or expertise as the next grindy ass thing

[ornate hamlet]

I'd regularly get weapons with both rolls maxed when playing heroic

[long wharf]

well, we're all going to have to just wait and see

[harsh urchin]

next tier of grindy ass shit

[ornate hamlet]

Because legendary was for masochistic fuckwads

[long wharf]

FartShack hasn't said anything about what's coming

[harsh urchin]

well legendary is also like

only for certain missions

you can't do open world leg

lol

I did all the missions on leg and it was pretty hard

ngl

i needed good gear

and i needed to get better

at the game

[dapper shadow]

Red tier weapons using 2k plasteel and 50 diam to upgrade soon

[harsh urchin]

cuz the enemies instantly headshot you

[ornate hamlet]

I tried soloing the start of the hyena stronghold with a reflector and a skill damage pistol

[hot zephyr]

I mean... they kinda did that with gauranteed emp's blessing on mission completes

[long wharf]

I chuckled at "50 diamantine"

[ornate hamlet]

Went as well as it could have

[hot zephyr]

Eventually from those you fill up your blessings

[ornate hamlet]

I do miss the game tbh

[harsh urchin]

ye having a meta build helps lol

[ornate hamlet]

I only stopped because it was just so fucking crashy

[hot zephyr]

Which, I do kinda like the rebless mechanic

[harsh urchin]

can't help it

the game is just poorly optimized

[ornate hamlet]

I haven't seen a game perform in such a shit manner in so long

[long wharf]

it's funny that you mention those, because over the last couple days, I've got a couple t4 blessings on blue emperor's gifts

[ornate hamlet]

Even Darktide with all of its random crashing and server problems still feels less awful than TD2

[harsh urchin]

but ye if u ever decide to go back

i really recommend u interact with the progression system there

the game lacks content sadly

but the progression systems are well done

[ornate hamlet]

Which is sad, because TD2 is arguably my favorite game for progression

[harsh urchin]

and are very enjoyable

there's always something to improve

[ornate hamlet]

Targeted loot is a godsent, difficulties actually do something, builds are always fucking fun

I actually tried to do a uhh

[hot zephyr]

really? I've never seen anything below a purple since I came back

I've definitely racked up quite a few blessing from them

[ornate hamlet]

3 skill 3 damage sniper with that talent that raises skill per kill

[long wharf]

I've gotten purples from Damnations, and some oranges from Heresy's

[ornate hamlet]

And use the spot pulse that gives enemies random weakspots

[long wharf]

it seems a little wonky since last patch

[ornate hamlet]

Only problem was that getting kills with a sniper using 3 damage is fucking ass

[harsh urchin]

Ye here's hoping division 3

will be properly supported lol

i actually hope there's endgame

in div3

[ornate hamlet]

And one of the things that I missed the most playing TD1 after TD2

Mods being a unique item

[harsh urchin]

i missed how racist division was tbh

[hot zephyr]

Oh, that would explain it. I usually play regular damn QP cus I usually get to actually play at weird times, and when I do get a session at a decent time I go premade and play auric

[harsh urchin]

cuz one of the factions u fought against was just black gangsters

[ornate hamlet]

My fucking God, I hated TD1's weapon mods cluttering my inventory with random names and random stat bullshit

[harsh urchin]

which wouldn't happen today

lololol

[ornate hamlet]

TD2 allowing me to just get the mod with its own fixed stats and that's it

Man, I was happy

Joyful even

[plush oak]

not bad find at brunt's

[hot zephyr]

Makes sense you'd get blues from malice or heresy sometimes given it's probably rolling up emp blessings from total stat point ranges

[long wharf]

that t2 perk is going to hurt you upgrading it

[plush oak]

oh yeah ik, i have a much better illisi but still

[hot zephyr]

Rolls a nice blessing and so ends up being a blue or purp instead of an orange

[plush oak]

the base stats are pretty nice

[long wharf]

if it's already better than what you have, great, but otherwise I wouldn't put any resources into it

[ornate hamlet]

If it's the True Sons, I think they were just the classic "military guy gets tanned doing service"

[plush oak]

this mine ❤️

[hot zephyr]

Oof, fix those perks brah

[long wharf]

get crit hit damage perk off there

[plush oak]

i dont want to hear anything about deflector

[long wharf]

both those perks are awful

[plush oak]

yeah i should shouldnt i

idk which one to switch tho

only got 1 change left

[long wharf]

slap +flak on there

[harsh urchin]

it was the rikers lol https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Rikers

[ornate hamlet]

Oh

[hot zephyr]

crits are just random

[hot zephyr]

The crit damage is way worse. you at least somewhat control hitting weakspots if you swing at head height for hordes

[plush oak]

yeah, i use h1 l2 mostly with it so weak spot dmg is kinda nice on it

stacking with the slaughterer and unstable power

[long wharf]

I mean, you would be better off with nearly any other perk besides +weakspot damage

I'd even take +stamina over +weakspot damage

slaughterer+unstable is overkill for the horde

[graceful aurora]

Friends. I have grown fat and weak by grinding Malice. My friends are playing again and they crave the sweat of Damnation. I am using an assail and bubble shield build. Voidstrike staff. I'm finding I don't do enough damage even to hordes in Damnation and I'm going down all the time. Is there a build that is more meta? I tried a brain burst/purgatus soulfire build and felt I was only blowing on the enemies.

[hot zephyr]

I mean, weakspot damage is still quite bad, D tier perk for sure. Given it's not actually +10%, it's +10% on the difference between regular and weakspot damage.

[long wharf]

but it will help if you have to melee ragers

[plush oak]

ik thats the point, i want to 1 shots random ragers that run into my illisi too 💀

[long wharf]

fair enough

[hot zephyr]

So if you regular swing hits for say 200 (let's make the math easy) and the weakspot damage is 300, you're dealing 310 damage, not 330 like you'd expect

[long wharf]

honestly, I should craft another Illisi with slaughtere+unstable

I find more and more that I just don't use Deflector

[plush oak]

its so incredibly fun

[long wharf]

not when you get automatic dodges from EE

[plush oak]

cleaves about 5 6 poxwalkers with 1 light at max peril and slaughterer stacks

its absolutely insane

look at this unfortunate pen roll on an otherwise great melee for gun psyker

[hot zephyr]

First question so chat can help you. What weapons do you actually LIKE playing with.

Not what's effective, or meta. What do you think is cool

[long wharf]

it sounds like damage isn't your problem. Playing well is.

you can't just stand still and kill everything with assail on damnation

[graceful aurora]

I like the voidstrike and surge. I don't use melee much which is likely half my issue, but when I do I like the chain sword for the burr. The pirate sword is fun cause it's so fast and kills shit quick.

[long wharf]

you have to move, aim in ways that maximize shards hitting heads

on damnation, bubble isn't for sitting in one position, not ideally

it's for protecting the team from ranged fire

[hot zephyr]

Ok, so first thing you need to do is ditch the crutch that is the bubble shield. It's comfy I know. I use it too, but you gotta rip the band aid off

[clear zenith]

gun psyker smite build

[long wharf]

thinking you can sit still inside a bubble will just get you killed

[plush oak]

blaze trauma bb illisi bubble carries me in auric damnations

[long wharf]

a good team is basically constantly moving

[plush oak]

i found it smartest to edge the bubble hard 🫦

[long wharf]

stopping only to reposition on the next group of enemies coming at them

bubble is great for that

for repositioning and then moving on

the more you stand still, the more the AI director can pile the enemies onto you

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, when I use my bubble, I always put it "where we are moving to" not where we are

[graceful aurora]

Has you a link to such a build brother?

[graceful aurora]

That's helpful, thank you.

[plush oak]

i can send you some ss

[long wharf]

void is great when you have it properly built

[hot zephyr]

No, do not try to build yourself a trauma blaze from nothing lol. that's an ultra-rare roll you can sink a million ordos and 10k plasteel into and be no more effective

[long wharf]

trauma can work decently enough without being meta

it'll still knock things around

surge will still stagger things without the right blessings

[hot zephyr]

If you can, can you post your current "best" void and and pokey stick so we can see what you are working with?

[long wharf]

void can still stagger nearly everything it hits

purge can, well, spit fire

@graceful aurora check the pinned messages for a link to Pygex's Atheneum

it covers everything Psyker

to include hidden mechanics and what gotchas we've all discovered and verified

[plush oak]

check DM's I sent u a bunch of screenshots

[long wharf]

hey now, he didn't ask for dickpics

[plush oak]

no one ever does 😦

all dickpics are surprises tho 😏

[long wharf]

first, grab yourself a box...

[plush oak]

box has many meanings

💀

[long wharf]

does it, though?

[plush oak]

man id switch the stability with mobility any dayy

[hot zephyr]

I'll share this just since we're on the subject. I'm looking at a vent/siphon/smite build to pair up with a voidstrike staff. This is my current "working build". I'll be doing with with a transfer peril / warp flurry voidstrike staff.

[plush oak]

why no warp battery?

[hot zephyr]

Idea is simialr to that of the purgatus flame pump build

[hot zephyr]

You're dumping vent so often you'll never get to 6 charges

[plush oak]

and psykic vampiree

[plush oak]

i forget i have venting shriek all the time so i use bubble instead 💀

and i even moved it to the middle of my screen too lmao

[long wharf]

I've gotten too used to having shriek

[hot zephyr]

I think there' some points to be moved around still, but this is what I've come up for a void flurry shriek build

[plush oak]

honestly the edging protection is nice to have

[long wharf]

not to mention putting 6 stacks of soulblaze on whatever you yell at

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, I'm kind flip flopping on picking up PC

I think it's worth it

[plush oak]

eh 6 stacks isnt that big

[hot zephyr]

But I can't find the point

[plush oak]

tho if ur using it with blaze trauma

then its a diff story

[long wharf]

on the contrary, 6 stacks will wipe out a horde quickly enough to matter

on damnation

[plush oak]

hmm, i guess ive never noticed it

[long wharf]

and since you can yell through walls

[plush oak]

too focused on using the illisi on them at 100% peril with slaneesh licking my earholes

[long wharf]

and the range is deceptively far

[lone ravine]

Isn’t it like 30m

[hot zephyr]

Shriek also pairs well with void cus you are trying to stand in similar places. You want enemies coming directly towards you in a bunch/choke ideally

[plush oak]

this is prolly the best feature of it. Getting hounds off teammates 30m away on diff floors or rooms is really nice

[long wharf]

yep

[plush oak]

true, also lets u pump out like 2 3 more shots on crushers in a pinch

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, that's also part of this. I dunno if smite is right for this build

[long wharf]

gotta pump those shots while edging

[plush oak]

guys wish me luck on getting T4 dethspitter for columnus

[plush oak]

i just use basic BB for trauma at least

the thing is that smite is bad 90% of the game

and 10% is god tier run saving

[plush oak]

lmao first roll

i wanna kiss hardon rn

[hot zephyr]

cha ching

[plush oak]

hadron* excuse me

hardon is what i have after that roll

[long wharf]

quite a freudian slip, there

she might accomodate you all the same.

[plush oak]

praise the emperor

[hot zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-pratt-shocked-surprised-the-office-gif-4047574

[long wharf]

she might have... special mechadendrites

[plush oak]

now to get a 380 god roll columnus

please brunt

[long wharf]

it's hard to believe Chris Pratt was ever that big

[zealous kindle]

does anyone here know - is the Malleus monstronum penance only valid if a single psyker does the brain busting, or is it ok if other psyker in the strike team also deal damage with brain burst?

[long wharf]

single psyker

90% boss damage by BB and must get the killing hit

[zealous kindle]

damn. thanks!

[noble copper]

left one better for flurry build?

[plush oak]

i dont think transfer peril works on trauma

at least for the right click

[long wharf]

it doesn't

[noble copper]

yeah planning to replace it if i use the right

right one*

[long wharf]

you want rending+flurry

or nexus+blazingspirit

depending on what your goal is

[hot zephyr]

The blast radius loss will be felt a little, radius really important on trauma

[noble copper]

i have one with nexus and spirit, building now the one with flurry / rending

[plush oak]

man couldnt the stability switch places with mobility god damnit

[hot zephyr]

If you already have a nexus/spirit, I'd eat the left one for flurry 4 and and stick it on the right one over transfer until you find one with a little more radius, ideally at least 75%+ radius

[long wharf]

Brunt knows what you want, and is holding back

[noble copper]

this is the one i have, could be better

[hot zephyr]

I mean, that's fantastic first of all.

The quell speed and warp resist can both be fixed by the talent tree by picking up some extra nodes

Solidity and some -5% peril generation nodes will offset those average stats well enough

You will be hard pressed to roll better than that

[noble copper]

Ok ty! Battle meditation seems to help quite a bit

[plush oak]

the warp rez got me edging 🫦

[hot zephyr]

Yeah if your build has battle med, at least two -5% peril nodes, and Solidity, you are set for life with that blaze trauma

[granite mauve]

dude trying to get a specific blessing on staves is a pain in the ass

[long wharf]

yep

[granite mauve]

i'm going back to ogryn

[long wharf]

especially since the staves are each a separate archtype

[ionic needle]

We comparing blaze traumas?

[long wharf]

no sharing blessings (which is bullshit)

[granite mauve]

i still have a warp flurry 2 staff that i take in auric maelstrom because i never found warp flurry 3 or 4

[plush oak]

yummyyy

isnt the quell speed kinda rough tho?

[ionic needle]

Nah, don't notice it even

Just quell using shriek 😛

[plush oak]

bobble

😏

[long wharf]

goddamn Spotify in a browser is a memory hog

[ionic needle]

BUBBLE

WHEN CREEPING FLAMES?

[hot zephyr]

Yeah this is the pain of being a psyker. You get yelled at by the vet for taking ammo but need a billion plasteel to make staves that are playable at auric cus no blessing sharing

[plush oak]

which perk to switch to crit chance?????????

[ionic needle]

weak spot

reroll deathspitter to dum dum while you're at it

[hot zephyr]

Weakspot to Maniacs or Unyielding. Don't need crit on that. Deathspitter to Dum Dum if you can too

[plush oak]

dont have it

[granite mauve]

at least trauma is playable even with dogshit blessings

trauma my beloved

[plush oak]

i also got this one

[hot zephyr]

Unfortunately that's bricked by comparison

[plush oak]

yeah.. 😦

[long wharf]

since we're showing off

[plush oak]

you think i can keep rolling? 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀

[hot zephyr]

Ooooo Shock 4.... I'm drooling

[plush oak]

ooooo yummyyy

[plush oak]

really nicee

[hot zephyr]

Yeah it's pretty easy to murder 5000 plasteel trying to make a godroll columnus

[long wharf]

also, this surge staff has renewed my having fun with surging

[plush oak]

12k*

💀

[hot zephyr]

Ouch

[hot zephyr]

Well, at least you got this one. That's actually better than mine

[plush oak]

glass half full kinda guy ❤️

still dont have dumdum tho

unfortunate

[hot zephyr]

There's enough people who come in this chat and blow a million ordos and 10k plasteel trying to make a blazing trauma. Need some positive thinking

[long wharf]

Dumdum is where the big damage comes from

[plush oak]

true true

[hot zephyr]

At least you can replace deathspitter into dumdum when you get it tho

[plush oak]

yeah

but dumdum does close range damage

not power

power > close range dmg no?

[hot zephyr]

Like, this is the best columnus I've managed so far

[plush oak]

imagine if mobility was switched with stopping power

mint

[hot zephyr]

You mean like this one I got the other day from Brunt?

[plush oak]

now this one is nice

[tawny jetty]

Is dumdum essential to making Columnus ridiculous?

[hot zephyr]

Is it definitely the META blessing. You want it

[plush oak]

gray columnus is better than anything else honestly

[hot zephyr]

because it doesn't require you to kill the target

Just hit it

So it stacks even against a boss

Deathspitter and Fire Frenzy will both wear off while DPSing a lone BoN or whatever, or require you to switch off boss dps to shoot some adds to restack your buffs

DumDum just keeps blastin'

[midnight jolt]

Getting the brain burst penance is bananas

about to give up on it

[plush oak]

understandable

[tawny jetty]

Ok thanks. That makes sense. I have deathspitter and fire frenzy. No dumdum yet.

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, it takes time. If you scroll up you'll see even I only have a DumDum 2

[brisk grove]

better than nothing

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, just saying don't hold out for tier 4. Some blessings, DumDum being one of them, there's very little difference between T1 and T4

i think it's literally 4.5% per stack vs 6%, so even fully stacked up it's like 7.5% extra damage, that's like 1 extra bullet when you have a mag of 50+

[brisk grove]

but seeing the IV on your weapon brings a sense of pride and satisfaction......

[hot zephyr]

When people inspect me and see only Uncanny 3 and Flesh Tearer 2 on my 379 base stat godroll combat knife, they cry a little bit. I get more satisfaction from people crying over it lol

[long wharf]

why do you roll uncanny on your knife?

I thought the backstab rending blessing was better

[hot zephyr]

I honestly very much debate that too

uncanny is the flex blessing, so I can change it

[orchid nest]

not really for psyker, hard to consistently use it when you need it

[white river]

anyone know why my lightning looks like this??

[orchid nest]

uncanny is the go to usually for us

[long wharf]

no valid target in range

you're wasting electricity! you trying to power the entire outdoors?

[white river]

I meant like the size of the bolt, it seems a lot lower of a resolution than the smite lightning

[brisk grove]

does anyone know if soulblaze ticking can do crit damage?

[long wharf]

kids these days.

[long wharf]

no

[brisk grove]

alright

[hot zephyr]

Here is said knife

[long wharf]

absolute ouch

[orchid nest]

we have to be careful about complaining about the lightning sfx, they might "enhance" it again

[long wharf]

I honestly wouldn't even use that knife

a knife without lacerate is subpar