psyker-class

[stone canyon]

Also i managed to twice blow myself up with peril

One day of Venting Shriek Brainburst hunting it totally taught me very bad habits

Also doing the Penance to on purpose go 100% and then save yourself

[lethal lagoon]

Best ability for Surge is flaming shriek

Not for the blow up protection, but because you generate peril so quick you always got an on demand horde clear lined up.

Oh you meant crit voidstrike

Yeah, outside of goomba-stomping a crusher or bullying a boss, I sometimes wonder how much surge is actually doing. But when it rams through a massive group... man.

[stone canyon]

Yeah Melk gave me this

[lethal lagoon]

Can try Flurry to nexus

[stone canyon]

Yeah im keeping that option open definitely, for more Surges

[lethal lagoon]

[stone canyon]

Shame id have to destroy IV Flurry then though, dont have it

[drifting violet]

you'll get it next time

[stone canyon]

I guess more double crit surges and slower recharge would mean less exploding myself from peril too 🔥

But thats just learning the rhytm and pay more attention to quelling and peril meter i guess

Wouldnt mind if it had like some warning sound

[drifting violet]

You'll get the hang of the playstyle

comes with experiance overtime and all

[stone canyon]

The mod that brought Peril meter more visible certainly helped already

Next should upgrade melee, had that since the moment i hit lvl 30

[left dagger]

perfect roll on mkII instead of mkIV, whats the differrence between the 2 swords? can still do the H1 > special poke combo

[stone canyon]

"Mk IV is strongly recommended as it has superior heavies compared to other variants, they are both stabs which are easy to land on a weak spot and deal a lot more damage than the heavies of the other variants."

[left dagger]

mk II H1 is also the stab, does it deal less damage?

[lethal lagoon]

Yes

[left dagger]

oh dang back to rolling for better mk IV then

329 on mkIV vs 230 mkII thats a big difference wtf

[vestal fulcrum]

Damage numbers, and also Mk4 DS has looping stab Heavy attacks, whereas Mk2 has a strikedown (similar to Mk4) and a vanguard attack (cleaves and damages a few enemies)

[left dagger]

MK IV still better for mauler crusher then.

[vestal fulcrum]

And generally for dealing single target damage

Mk2 is an “all-rounder”, but the problem with that is, Mk4 is still a better all-rounder

Because it has better light attacks, and better heavy attacks

[left dagger]

should i harvest Uncanny 4 off this mkII then? to use on mk4

god roll on everything except the Mark number

[vestal fulcrum]

I wouldn’t, because that’s a good Mk2, and who knows what will happen to it in the future

There’s little an increase in rending from Uncanny 3 to 4, so I wouldn’t worry terribly about it

[left dagger]

kk ill keep it then

[plush oak]

IIIisi my beloved 🥰

[half iron]

i miss my among us dome collar being the opposite of solid jet black

[ornate hamlet]

What's the preferred Psyker aura?

[vestal fulcrum]

Each can be good in a way

[ornate hamlet]

I'm new, only level 14 - open to try any tbh

[vestal fulcrum]

The only “constant” I make is that I want to have CDR aura with Venting Shriek

[plush oak]

Cdr honestly

[ornate hamlet]

Cheers, CDR it is

[stone canyon]

One With The Warp seems best below those auras so thats another reason

[tiny jasper]

hi
for these blessing higher is better ?

I'm talking about peril *

[plush oak]

Yes

[tiny jasper]

thanks !

[plush oak]

No worries 🙂

[dapper shadow]

welp I guess the game wants me to play purg before trauma burn

I shall comply

as soon as I get the plasteel to get this to trancendent

[drifting violet]

😎 👍

GL

[plush oak]

Nice roll, gonna be some hardcore edging with this one 😂

[dapper shadow]

I should start doing penances

Yeah damn hourly shop finally gave me a usable staff

in a sea of guns

[visual estuary]

Need some advice, what do y'all think of this staff? Went bubble shield and assial and I'm running this staff:

I've been trying to get surge and it's...very difficult.

[vestal fulcrum]

The other perk (critical damage) is bad, but both blessings are fine

[drifting violet]

It's good, just change the perks

[visual estuary]

Unfortunately I can only change one perk

[visual estuary]

What would you recommend in place of it?

[vestal fulcrum]

No, you can change both perks

No blessing is locked, and the Crit damage perk doesn’t have a lock, either

[visual estuary]

Oh so I should still be able to change one of the other blessings out for surge once I get it?

[drifting violet]

yep

[vestal fulcrum]

You could

[drifting violet]

keep both blessings, just change the perks

the voidstrike is good

[visual estuary]

Ah ok, has been a while, I remember when the perks/blessings couldn't be changed 😆

[vestal fulcrum]

I would leave this staff’s blessings as is though, and have such a variation “if need be”

[visual estuary]

Ah alright.

[vestal fulcrum]

And just look for better material for a Surge Voidstrike

Better or adequate*

[visual estuary]

What perks do you guys recommend?

[drifting violet]

personal preference

[visual estuary]

I assume not carapace if I remember right...right?

[drifting violet]

for breakpoints

[vestal fulcrum]

Carapace is typically better when you have Surge as a blessing

I probably would go Flak and Maniac, or Maniac and Unyielding

Crit chance is not bad, either, but not for these blessings I think

[visual estuary]

Yea I kinda figured this would be a "spam spam" kinda staff.

I'll go maniac and unyielding

[vestal fulcrum]

It certainly is capable of constant uptime

At expense of damage/burst, but that's not necessarily a bad thing

[visual estuary]

I see that assail got a bit of a nerf.

I think that was more than likely needed though.

[vestal fulcrum]

It's still good

[visual estuary]

Yea

I've been using it mainly against gunners

But sometimes I think the voidstrike staff kinda overshadows it a bit.

[drifting violet]

I usually pair shards with a revolver

[visual estuary]

Brave

I saw that the revolver got a nice buff

[drifting violet]

literally everyone simps for it

[visual estuary]

I started using it on my zealot

I really wanted to use the revolver back in the day but I didn't think it really did enough damage to warrant using it.

I assume the roulette blessing got "fixed"?

[drifting violet]

nerfed a bit yea

it's still good with the other new mk variant of the revolver

[visual estuary]

Will have to check that out

[drifting violet]

It's defintely more fun to utilize than the old one

that's for sure

[visual estuary]

Welp back to the grind for surge

Swear I've gone through at least 30 staves for it now hahaha

[stone canyon]

Lucked mine today from Melk's and even the staff it was in, was good enough to be used

And yes, i have put up Eurojackpot going this week

[plucky flax]

[stone canyon]

If i hit the jackpot, first 10 here will get rain of Aquilas!

[vestal fulcrum]

I’d rather not further* support Fatshark’s current implementation of the premium item shop

It’s bizzare how it hasn’t undergone any changes in over a year

I bought a few items, but I really can’t warrant supporting FOMO rotating shop any more

[echo frigate]

I spend weeks looking for smth I like lol

[vestal fulcrum]

Every single implemented premium item should be on display there, and rotations ideally should be promotions for select items

[echo frigate]

I have Krieg psyker and Pirate Zealot

Haven't found a good vet or ogryn skin yet

Zealot went through a huge cycle of midness

FOMO shop is crazy especially for weapon skins

[vestal fulcrum]

Also removing items from bundles while also making bundles cheaper

It’s…

I don’t like it.

[echo frigate]

FS should start paying attention to other companies that get flamed for FOMO

[echo frigate]

They do that?

[vestal fulcrum]

They did it at least twice from what I recall

[echo frigate]

Removed stuff and failed to cheapen the bundle?

[vestal fulcrum]

Or they put out bundle items in individual item windows for sale

[echo frigate]

I've seen that

[vestal fulcrum]

Well, no, the cheapen part wasn’t the problem, but for instance, Sister-in-Wrath set for Zealot originally cost 2400 Aq

[echo frigate]

I'd like yo be able to buy all of a type of weapon skin as well

[vestal fulcrum]

It had 3 items removed from it, two weapon skins and one trinket

[echo frigate]

Like the red and black Mobian

[vestal fulcrum]

And the set was re-sold for 2100 Aq

[echo frigate]

That's some bull what

2 skins and a trinket are only worth 300 aquillas is wild

[vestal fulcrum]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/why-had-the-two-returning-cosmetic-item-bundles-their-weapon-skins-removed/87169?u=kjerad

I’ve made a topic on it

But it obviously didn’t get much attention

[rigid sky]

Question:

Trauma staff with blazing spirit

Good or meme?

[vestal fulcrum]

Genuinely good

[echo frigate]

You should post this under the next patch notes

[vestal fulcrum]

Top of the line, even, but I don’t type in superlatives

[echo frigate]

Hopefully ppl will upvote

[rigid sky]

Groovy. I've got a flurry/brittleness one right now but I wanna try the flamey one too

will try to grab one

[echo frigate]

That one is good

[vestal fulcrum]

Hm, I might try that

[rocky raven]

good but requires a specific roll

[echo frigate]

You need specific rolls tho

For the flame

The flurry brittle one is not particular

[echo frigate]

I would

There'd gotta be a few ppl who read at least the top 5 comments

[rigid sky]

What is that specific roll?

[echo frigate]

In case of bugs or what not

[echo frigate]

Not sure that's my next goal too lol

The staff I had rolled Shockwave 4 and I was like well its purpose is set

You need warp nexus, blazing spirit, and crit chance I think

[rigid sky]

I thought it was a specific requirement on the stat bars - I took the nexus/spirit part as a given

and the crit chance makes sense

How often does it actually crit and get the fire proc? Do you expect it on every cast? Half of them?

I'm holding most of my melkbuxx for a power cycler IV (STILL. Been playing since release. FFS.) but I'll make the blazing staff my #2

[plucky flax]

Veri crap

[quartz barn]

Should be 37% crit at most, so every 2 or 3 casts

[drifting violet]

something like this

[midnight jolt]

do I have a keeper if I change it to +25% maniac and flak?

[drifting violet]

Not sure if quell speed is a dump stat

But I could hardly tell the difference

[quartz barn]

It is

[drifting violet]

nice

[rocky raven]

not really

[vestal fulcrum]

I’d get rid of Superiority for a different blessing, and change groaner perk to something else

[quartz barn]

You want to run with flaming shriek anyway, so you'll only actively quell when its on cd

[vestal fulcrum]

And it’s an OK sword

[sinful peak]

[drifting violet]

I just pair the staff with bubble lol

[midnight jolt]

I can consume the unstable power from that one and put it here:

[vestal fulcrum]

I’d rather the first sword you’ve shown, to be perfectly honest

Flak/Maniac is not a mandatory combination, you can make do without it

[quartz barn]

Works as well, i run bubble on voidstrike. I just pref shriek on trauma for more fire

[drifting violet]

Fair fair

[vestal fulcrum]

And Unstable/another blessing is somewhat better than Riposte/another blessing

[midnight jolt]

isn't infected a waste?

[drifting violet]

It's not a waste if you specifically hate hounds

[vestal fulcrum]

I wouldn’t complain about a perk that ups your horde clear speed, on a weapon that primarily wants to kill horde enemies

[cinder niche]

Is there a by far best melee weapon

[drifting violet]

dueling sword prob

[quartz barn]

Ds4 my beloved

[vestal fulcrum]

DS4 is very flexible

But I like Deimos

[midnight jolt]

According to the atheneum (reading through it) dueling sword

[vestal fulcrum]

And Illisi to a certain extent, but Deimos is my favourite

[quartz barn]

Ds4 vs illisi just depends on your playstyle

I barely melee so i just use ds4 for movement

[midnight jolt]

Let me ask again for clarity, I keep unstable and +20% dmg to infected here right?

and add flak + something else

[cinder niche]

Thanks guys

[vestal fulcrum]

That’s what I would do

Superiority is hard to keep up

[drifting violet]

😎 👍

[ornate hamlet]

yeah that's what I'd do

infected isn't that good
but groaners is even more useless

[vestal fulcrum]

And groaner/poxwalker perk is somewhat useless

[ornate hamlet]

and Unstable Power is useful if you quick swap a lot

( which you should )

[midnight jolt]

yeah, that one is a goner

[ornate hamlet]

while superiority is okay in short bursts but unreliable

[lyric crow]

what are each of the staffs good for?

im kinda confused about them

[drifting violet]

Purg = Horde
Voidstrike = Horde
Trauma = Horde
Surge = Elites/Special

[midnight jolt]

which is why I'm divided on the 25% for each and give up on superiority (as in, leave it there)

[lyric crow]

are the other ones good for single target then?

[plush oak]

Trauma is very good all round

[lyric crow]

tanks

https://tenor.com/view/friend-tank-love-gif-27167293

[vestal fulcrum]

@near wyvern , I figured this is a good opportunity to ask, as I wasn’t sure why you recommended the Infested perk in the Athaneum for Illisi FS. Is there any specific reason for it, besides just making swarm clear more consistent?

Also, is it better to ask you questions here, or in the guide itself?

Cheers in advance

[rigid sky]

Voidstrike is an all-rounder too

And Purgatus has a side of being very efficient vs monstrosities

Get the stacks up then swap to something else

[midnight jolt]

I need one more talent point 😦 I'm a sucker for movement speed, and I have put a talent on the +5% movement speed, even though I have mettle 😂

[lyric crow]

hmm whats a good melee for horde?

[drifting violet]

Dueling sword

Or illis

[hard widget]

illisi

[lyric crow]

i see

[hard widget]

you can also just dclaw

[drifting violet]

Honestly, if you’re using one of the staffs that’s not surge, you probably won’t be using your melee much for horde clear

[midnight jolt]

did penetration ruin it?

[rocky raven]

yup

[midnight jolt]

I know nothing about dueling swords but have seen them in action and wanna build one

[midnight jolt]

what would be the min I want there?

[drifting violet]

Mobility lol

[echo frigate]

Ish, Void and Tramua do crazy damage that can shred elites

[drifting violet]

😎👍ik

[echo frigate]

If mobility and pen were swapped you'd be a happy camper

[midnight jolt]

RNG is a troll, I swear

[echo frigate]

Then what's the point of your oversimplification

[drifting violet]

Literally just got off of night shift

Couldn’t care to elaborate

[echo frigate]

Like you'll use melee for horde clear

[drifting violet]

For each staves

[echo frigate]

Alr lol

Gotcha get some sleep lol

[drifting violet]

No gotta play darktide

Sleep is for the weak

[midnight jolt]

He must die for the emperaaaarrr

[plush oak]

Spent 400k best brunt could do is 325

[drifting violet]

Average darktide experience

[midnight jolt]

trolled again

[plush oak]

This is unfortunate 😭

Saw a 5% dmg roll on one last night, very rough 😂

[hasty breach]

hm. keep crit chance or flak armor

[west bronze]

flak

[hasty breach]

to swap other perk to unyielding

on a likely scrier's gaze loadout

[drifting violet]

I sometimes forget that the other MK for the laspistol exists

How is that btw? For psyker?

[orchid nest]

roughly the same damage over its ammo as mk2 except slower firing. so it's less synergistic with psykers talents that benefit from faster firing things

[hasty breach]

this is the mark 2

[orchid nest]

yeah

[verbal dome]

why is unyielding recommended on these swords?

[orchid nest]

they are decent monstrosity dps, helps out. really depends on your loadout. you likely don't care as much about that depending on loadout. I usually have maniac/carapace on mine

[drifting violet]

Also helps out against enemy ogryns

Bulwark and reaper specifically

[verbal dome]

i run a gunker with mk v autogun

...so yeah i'll prolly run carapace then

[verbal dome]

bulwark and reaper are the only unyielding enemies besides monstrosities afaik

[orchid nest]

my most common pairing with DS in gunker so imo you don't need unyielding on it really at all in that case because your gun is going to be your go to monstrosity option. you'll still poke them here and there but I'd rather reinforce ds4's purpose in my loadout of covering my carapace weakness

[drifting violet]

TLDR: It’s just a preference thing, just pick an armor type you find most annoying against

[hasty breach]

another reason is that many builds might be stacking soulblaze, then swapping to the dueling sword, which will scale soulblaze with +unyielding

[orchid nest]

yeah, true. it's important to remember that you should use any guide like the atheneum as a starting point and figure out what works for you from there. it's a great resource but at the end of the day its run by just pygex and not the community and some of his preferences will be there over what other people like

[hasty breach]

all praise that guide though.

i made a veteran and so many unanswered questions

[orchid nest]

lol yeah. it's good that it's there for sure. I agree with a lot of things there, but not all. that's probably a pretty common sentiment once you get far enough to figure things out for yourself

[midnight jolt]

keep or learn blessing?

it was a mission reward

[orchid nest]

the blast radius isn't great but it could still be useable for now. depends on how far you are and what else you have resource wise

would end up as a 3/4 weapon basically

[midnight jolt]

I'm using this Purgatus:

[orchid nest]

if you don't have any trauma set up at all yet I would keep it for now and learn the blessing later

terrifying barrage -> flurry and critical hit damage -> flak for the trauma

[drifting violet]

Replace TB with Warp Nexus, and you’re good

[summer prairie]

why do people want maniac on DSIV, for like mutant one-shot when you've nearly all buffs and warp charges?

[orchid nest]

for crit one shots

[summer prairie]

that makes no sense though

[orchid nest]

but yeah maybe that too

you can definitely go without it, I do feel it not being there though

[summer prairie]

a perk for an unreliable crit one-shot , it doesn't even have high crit

it's a complete waste

[drifting violet]

Ragers still exists

[summer prairie]

and beyond that it doesn't do anything

you don't hit a rager bp

and it's only one of the ragers

[orchid nest]

I don't remember what the body shot bps are. does it go to 3 without maniac?

[summer prairie]

non-crit bodyshots don't do anything, then you might as well not use your melee

[midnight jolt]

this is recommended, 3 staminas, on the atheneum, but do I really need it? finally there is one for sale:

[orchid nest]

it's more so that a lot of builds wouldn't gain much from it having something else really anyways. you can definitely go without it though if you're melee heavy on whatever build

[summer prairie]

it seems like people just want maniac on everything without much justification

even going +2 stamina is much better, especially if you are semi-wasting a curio for +3

[midnight jolt]

what do you mean? +2 how?

[summer prairie]

as your weapon perk

[orchid nest]

yeah stam or unyielding is not bad

[summer prairie]

and do you reliably hit scab/dreg gunner one-shots without flak

I guess the justification is that you usually use ranged vs those

[orchid nest]

although I'm going to have to disagree on it not critting very often too as I usually have.. 37.5% crit chance on it? I guess. unless it has extra on its base which I don't know about

for my gunker one anyways that has maniac

[summer prairie]

how do you get 37.5% on DS

SG?

[orchid nest]

7.5% psyker base, 5% aura, 5% talent, 20% from riposte

[summer prairie]

maybe if you run riposte yeah it's better, though I think mutant one-shots are whatever still, especially if it's not 100% of the time

[vestal fulcrum]

That’s partly because 1) it’s one of the most common enemy armour types, at least the ones that are dangerous, and 2) explaining or exploring damage breakpoints in this game, where many parts are moving and affect the end score, is time consuming and undesirable

It’s much easier to just say “go flakiac” on everything. People will be happy, at least until they realise that flakiac is not an answer to everything

[orchid nest]

I do agree with you that some thought should be put into it. I also tend to often damage a mutant coming in slightly with assail or a single shot in that build and it often puts it into a maniac rolled 1 shot range as well. it might also sometimes not matter because I damaged it more in that instance. that's the part that is hard to measure

[summer prairie]

if I'm running assail it's dead before it reaches me yeah

[halcyon agate]

Guys, what perk should I use for purgatus staff?

[west bronze]

unarmoured, maniac

[drifting violet]

Flak/Maniac

Matter of preference really

[halcyon agate]

I am bringing shield

But not sure what blitz work best with purgatus

[vestal fulcrum]

There’s a couple options. Crit chance, Flak, Maniac, Unyielding can be good, depending on which enemy you want to kill quicker with the flames

[west bronze]

shield + warp charges with in fire reborn is a great support option

[vestal fulcrum]

Brain Rupture or Assail can be good, Smite is funnelling into the same role that Purgatus already fulfills, so it’s not as good when combined with it.

[drifting violet]

Brain rupture helps provide more dmg for purg

[west bronze]

I use brain rupture

[hot zephyr]

Adding to this: if you think about this, the most common weapon perks across your two weapon slots should be flak, maniac, and unyielding. It's a question of how you distribute them. Are you killing bosses in melee or at ranged? Carapace really only has two targets, and other damage perks are not as great because those types are on enemies with little health.

[halcyon agate]

I see, let me try Brain rupture

The original one without upgrade that only available at low tier is a bit weak from my experience

[orchid nest]

it's really a playstyle thing. I prefer to not waste too much ammo or assail shards on mutants so I have maniac. syllogism for example prefers to blast them at range. in his case maniac doesn't make sense on it as much for sure

[hot zephyr]

Yeah I usually take maniac on a ranged weapon because you rarely melee a flamer or bomber

[summer prairie]

I'd probably take unarmored, carapace, unyielding, flak, crit, stamina over maniac on DSIV

[hot zephyr]

But otherwise I usually take flak or unyielding

[ornate hamlet]

Also rarely a rager lol

[summer prairie]

at least unarmored does something by buffing your SB ticks

[orchid nest]

I only run DS4 on my gunker setups so it's probably influenced by that a lot

[ornate hamlet]

It's okay

The real use of brain rupture if you're using purgatus is to give you range

Since you can actually get snipers, gunners, and chip at stuff like reapers

[halcyon agate]

I personally use assail more often

[ornate hamlet]

You won't have a way to approach those enemies otherwise

Assail is probably better for generic use for shield

But I find it overlaps too much with your purg

But it's not the worst

[drifting violet]

Assail works pretty well if you’re utilizing a revolver more

[halcyon agate]

But just find that I lack ability deal with waves that have too much enemy

[ornate hamlet]

Assail still good though

[summer prairie]

DSIV already one-shots flamers, bombers and trappers, those are irrelevant

[left dagger]

strip Uncanny 4 off this and give to Mk IV yeh? more than 2 bad refinements needed

[ornate hamlet]

You shouldn't have issues with hordes if you're using assail+purg

You'll eat through most of that just spamming left click on both

[hot zephyr]

Yeah eat it for the uncanny

[ornate hamlet]

If you mean the tougher melee stuff like crushers though

Ye you need a better staff that's not purg

Purg is strictly for horde clears and knocking hordes off balance

[left dagger]

now can either go to Shred IV or replace Elite damage with Flak to headshot maulers

[drifting violet]

You would normally pair purg with a melee weapon that can handle crushers like DS or FS

[ornate hamlet]

Same

[halcyon agate]

I use Columbus mk5 before

And shield + assail

[granite mauve]

you don't need flak to headshot maulers

[halcyon agate]

But find that I can do nothing when surround but waves

[granite mauve]

their head count as carapace

[hot zephyr]

Yeah no. Purgatus works just fine on most elites. Mutants and ogryns yeah it's not great so you need other stuff but ragers, maulers, gunners it's just fine

[ornate hamlet]

Just normal
But assail really shouldn't have issues with hordes unless it's melee litz

[drifting violet]

Pair yourself with a solid melee choice

[left dagger]

oh then dont exactly need Flak on dueling sword then. how should i optimize this? Carapace is a given then Maniacs I got Columbus gun to mowdown

[granite mauve]

you can already walk all over them ith Uncanny and +cara

[ornate hamlet]

Gunners are too far

Maulers and ragers work with dodging yes

But I wouldn't call them particularly effective in a short amount of time

[granite mauve]

flak could still help you for dreg and scab bruisers

[ornate hamlet]

Better luck stabbing their face with ds4 and dodging

[summer prairie]

staff lmb is kind of better than DSIV vs maulers

[halcyon agate]

I use Deimos Mk IV all alone

[rocky raven]

shred > precog4 foccus on single target for the big boys in that case

[orchid nest]

maniac is still relevant on DS4 for assail for specials because you should be weaving assail with it

[halcyon agate]

Find it quite a good weapon

[left dagger]

wait i thought Shred is the meta

[summer prairie]

well if you are weaving assail, then you would rather want flak or whatever

[granite mauve]

maniac is a good choice too but you don't need to worry about ragers with that dueling sword, since all you have to do is chain special attack+ Heavy 1 to perma stunlock ragers

[orchid nest]

you can definitely benefit from other stuff weaving wise, yeah. but it's not a non consideration either, it helps a lot busting down specials when you're weaving them and too stuck in to pull out your ranged for long

[ornate hamlet]

Honestly been biased recently since purgatus fell out of favor hard for me

Especially if I'm using assail

Would rather use a different staff in most cases if I have assail because you just horde clear with it with 0 effort anywya

[left dagger]

maybe still +Flak since i wont be 100% land headshot on maulers with pinpoint accuracy

[ornate hamlet]

Voidstrike+assail + dueling sword I find is a good combo for having options

[granite mauve]

i'd take flak yes

[ornate hamlet]

And there's a lot more if you wanna consider being a gun psyker

[granite mauve]

helps with more thing than maniac

[left dagger]

thanks gonna go Flak then, also works on scab ragers

[granite mauve]

ye

[hard widget]

Getting staff blessings is such a pain

[flint plover]

So regarding the specific roll the Trauma staff needs. The guide says it wants a blast radius of 78-80%, why is that, specifically? My blast radius is 77% and I'm wondering just how big of a difference that is

[left dagger]

time to be Witch Hunter Captain with the rapier pokes

[ornate hamlet]

Have fun

[left dagger]

[summer prairie]

The radius scales well until 80 but it doesn't matter much at all if it's a bit lower, doesn't have to be 78

[orchid nest]

syllogism is definitely correct that there is other equally viable options you should consider over maniac on it depending on build. I use laspistol the most and it's already good against flak. so I have maniac on ds4. I don't find any breakpoints except carapace to be something you should agonize over in general on gunker though because you're going to constantly be damaging things with assail and gun quick swaps. so build your bonuses for what you want mainly

[summer prairie]

Kind of curious if running flak+elite on DSIV helps meaningfully when weaving assail

there might be some shooter BPs too

[hasty breach]

stamina curio will help you block and sprint. may or may not be more viable for you to run an extra health or toughness curio. you wont regret having one around though since SOME build will value a +3 stamina curio at some point. i find extra toughness or health to be more valuable in doing the dps at range thing but it makes you worse at rezzing allies and clutching

[orchid nest]

it should be pretty good, yeah

it's good to spread out perks for it for that reason too

I have flak on my laspistol so if I see a horde of armored ragers running in I'm going to weave with my laspistol out for example

[hasty breach]

you can get away with lower values and still dominate with blaze trauma at least. take it into a mission and see.

just like hit above 70 and have an eventual goal of getting that perfect staff

[orchid nest]

laspistol also has a negative modifier for maniacs too though. in my case maniac on ds4 does make sense for me. I'd probably go flak still if I didn't have it I guess.

[flint plover]

My trauma staff has been serving me well so far, was just wondering if I was missing out on some grand breakpoint secret, haha

[noble copper]

can i salvage this?

[sullen bobcat]

Maybe if you swap the blessings to rending and flurry

Infested would help with poxwalkers hordes, and the rending would help with crusher packs

[midnight jolt]

is this one good to work on?

[sullen bobcat]

It's okay

[midnight jolt]

The trolling was strong on this one

[plush oak]

Bruh 💀

[orchid nest]

sorry I just remembered to reply to this, was going to earlier. shred is also very good vs riposte. it drops if you miss though. I find riposte to be better for assail weaving.

[quartz barn]

Ngl i find shred more consistent than riposte

[midnight jolt]

what do I change specialist to? and what about shred?

[quartz barn]

You dont always get the dodge proc when you slide dodge sadge

[quick python]

maniac rampage

[orchid nest]

you don't have to ramp riposte and it lasts for 6 sec. just depends on how often you find you can personally proc it. they are both great in their own way, I personally don't put one above the other

[midnight jolt]

so just change both perks and leave blessings alone?

[quartz barn]

Also remember that you can stack shred faster if you cancel your attack recovery animation with the special

[orchid nest]

yeah for sure. shred is better on the pure offense. I personally put a lot of value on my assail weaving for my own playstyle, and it's annoying to get a 5 stack, make sure you don't miss, and start assailing for the much shorter duration. so for me I found that I liked riposte more. gonna be a personal thing at the end of the day

[quartz barn]

Fair

[midnight jolt]

So maniac and rampage 25% right?

[quartz barn]

Meanwhile i just use voidstrike in melee range lmao

[orchid nest]

sometimes you just gotta start blasting

[quartz barn]

No i always blast, no melee needed

[orchid nest]

[quartz barn]

Except for mutants because onetapping them as i stand still is fun

[orchid nest]

void is definitely the do everything staff

[quartz barn]

It does suck when faced with a lot of gunners tho

But bubble

[orchid nest]

you have to decide if you like shred or riposte more and then replace one with uncanny and specialists into what you like. maniac is a good potential one, yeah. can do like carapace too

uncanny and rampage is a good combo together too but I wouldn't go without uncanny imo

[midnight jolt]

I have no blessings yet for DS, 4 days playing 😂

[orchid nest]

blessings are shared across the other duelling swords so make sure you check your 2's and 5's as well

[sinful peak]

is dmg important for blaze trauma?

[ionic needle]

Depends on what blessings you're running

[slim raptor]

Is there a reason to use any gun other than the columnus 5 iag for gun psyker builds?

[sullen bobcat]

Crit chance on other guns

Since there's a lot of crit synergies

[slim raptor]

I guess but the columnus makes such good use of true aim

[orchid nest]

the most common other guns for gunker is mk2 laspistol and the mk2 revolver

[sullen bobcat]

Mk X las pistol gang

[slim raptor]

Is the mk2 las pistol still good after the RoF nerf?

[orchid nest]

yeah

[kindred hill]

I think there is a hidden minion build in the game. Check out the team member Count XD

[orchid nest]

the mk10 is decent, it has better single shot quick swaps. it doesn't lean into psykers talent syngeries as much as mk2 though

compared to columnus the laspistol will have lower dps but easier assail quick swaps and greater mobility. and better ammo efficiency on monstrosities if you let the burn tick

the force push is also nice

and better range of course

[sullen bobcat]

I use the force push to keep my perils up for high perils shenanigans ngl

Illsi charge spam to get it up, las pistol and special attack to keep up perils

If I remember to

[stone canyon]

Pretty good start for RNG circus

I guess i want Dumdum and for perks the usual Flak/Maniac and such?

[sullen bobcat]

Yeah. I personally like raking fire shenanigans, but dum dum and death spitter is good

[stone canyon]

Well seems i got Dumdum lvl 2, so that goes in then, gonna try Gunpsyker tonight i guess

Perks are kinda meh, but doubt its make-or-break sort of deal, can atleast try it out

https://imgur.com/a/AR0Nxo4

[midnight jolt]

should I try to build a new one out of this?

[stone canyon]

Seems Unarmoured aint totally bad, plenty of regular mobs and few shotgun ones there with Unarmoured parts plenty

[midnight jolt]

is warp resistance that important?

[stone canyon]

Press V and inspect it, you see effects it has

It affects Peril generation

[midnight jolt]

yeah, a semi low value is OK but 48% is too low I guess

[stone canyon]

What perk to go with Unarmoured? Columnus V? Flak?

[flint plover]

is the gunker laspistol build dumdum/infernus?

[stone canyon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a6affc6-44b4-447b-8bde-31d58e5816c4/psycho-gun-psyker This solid?

[orchid nest]

yeah

[stone canyon]

Those are what i run on my laspistol crit zealot so makes sense works similar here

So.. maybe the only perk i wanna change is +5% crit instead for Columnus

[orchid nest]

i'm not a big fan of brain burst with gunker but you're better off having the middle aura and one with the warp instead of the toughness damage reduction minor nodes if you want to stack tdr

[stone canyon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9af048aa-5835-462f-9c6f-f684b7e924b7/gun-psy-build-i-top-every-single-scoreboard-with this other has Smite

And yeah those minor nodes were bit weird

[orchid nest]

smite is alright as gunker. you're in what I would consider hybrid territory there. gunker feels like a very aggressive build to me. I would consider assail the standard for gunker and then you can deviate from there. especially if you have dd as assail is so good at stacking it

[ionic needle]

No PC on gunker feels wrong

[orchid nest]

it's not really that anything but assail isn't useable on gunker as that can vary with team builds. assail solves ammo efficiency and horde clear problems at the same time though which are big holes in gunkers standard setup. like if you go creeping flames gunker then yeah you won't care about assail quick swapping adding to horde clear as much and all that

and yeah PC adds to that as well as any 2 elites or specialists dying while throwing out assail/shot quickswaps is enough to kill all chaff in its radius

[stone canyon]

Ok, im totally new in gunker territory so open to ideas, but Assail indeed makes sense from ammo economy perspective

If Perilous Combustion, then Wildfire would make also sense though?

Too bad its other side of talent tree

[orchid nest]

basically assail benefits from, uses, and procs most blessings and perks. so you are heavily incentivized to quick swap assails into melees and gun shots to do that while saving ammo and all that. the stagger is great for elite packs as well

[stone canyon]

Never even tried Scrier's Gaze yet

[orchid nest]

Nah you wouldn't need wildfire, and yeah it's too far anyways

[stone canyon]

Not even Gunker takes +5% crit aura?

[orchid nest]

it's pretty common to have the crit aura as gunker yeah. in the specific example of trying to stack toughness damage reduction you would go cooldown aura though

empathic evasion usually carries you enough against shooters and gunners though

[silk vigil]

Gunkers definitely use the crit aura, especially if you carry a big iron on your hip.

[spiral minnow]

should i change? seems good on paper for mowing hordes

[ionic needle]

What is going on with the servers right now? Trying to run maelstrom and have been disconnected three times in a row

[eager mantle]

Wildfire not good for gunker, you're not having enough soulblaze to make it useful, PC is good enough and insane value.

[ionic needle]

No, wildfire is bad

[eager mantle]

You're leveling and you have it. Try it out.

[spiral minnow]

well i am trying out 4th difficulty so dont wanna be crippling team

[ionic needle]

This is what I'm running on my gunker, using columnus and mk6 knife.

[orchid nest]

yeah that is a very standard gunker setup with battle meditation being a flex point

[ionic needle]

There we go, correct now

[orchid nest]

oh its gone

[eager mantle]

I prefer warp expenditure over quietude since scriers builds peril

[ionic needle]

My reasoning is that I want quietitude for when I'm not in scriers or using assail, to have some toughness regen besides crits when using gun or knife

[willow hazel]

rampage but no uncanny?

[orchid nest]

I also prefer quietude as it's nice to have that utility kind of toughness regen that doesn't always rely on offense

I think scriers is the only build I would ever use expenditure in but I still prefer quietude personally

[eager mantle]

Sound reasonings. We all have our preferences

[orchid nest]

yeah for sure

[willow hazel]

The big reason to run the Crit Aura instead of the CDR it doesn't waste a talent on on Mind in Motion

[ionic needle]

I can't really bring myself to use siphon with scriers since the cdr doesn't work for it

[eager mantle]

Wrong one

[orchid nest]

I will say that I don't like the BB gunker setup but if you do go it it seems like having flayer is the reason to do it so I wouldn't go without that

[dapper shadow]

wow I dont even need to touch this

[hard widget]

does purgatus interact with any of the soublaze talents?

[dapper shadow]

maybe just upgrade the two blessings

[ionic needle]

yes, all of them

[dapper shadow]

I mean perks

[eager mantle]

The BB for him is just pathing and wanting to have something for crushers and bulwarks.

[hard widget]

so, you always take pc and wildfire with purgatus?

[willow hazel]

with an asterick on Perilous Combustion

[ionic needle]

I never take either of them with purgatus

[orchid nest]

yeah I get that but it's just not worth it to me anyways. I know he wants the CDR specifically

[hard widget]

do you take the modifier for soublaze on the warp charge thing

[ionic needle]

PC doesn't proc off of soulblaze kills and wildfire is bad

[eager mantle]

I'm gonna give it an honest try

[ionic needle]

yes

[orchid nest]

I would rather have smite 1 pt at that point personally as you can open bulwarks with it and you're going to kill crushers with your melee anyways

[ionic needle]

it does if you kill the target with the damage and not the soulblaze 😛

[willow hazel]

thats a big if

[ionic needle]

it really is

[hard widget]

why is wildfire bad?

[willow hazel]

it ok specifically for proccing In Fire Reborn

for general damage and hordeclear it's bad

[eager mantle]

At least BB can lock on to snipers but also if you smiting you aren't shooting

[ionic needle]

On purgatus it's just not worth the point, everything is gonna be burning anyway

[orchid nest]

true but I am kind of playing devil's advocate here as I wouldn't play either build personally. but smite is usually the best "I only wanted to spend 1 point" blitz. BB has some uses there true but it's pretty limited

[ionic needle]

It's bad because it has all these stupid limitations that makes it barely do any damage

[dawn spoke]

4 stacks of soulblaze does very little damage unless you have a way to stack it further

[willow hazel]

which ofc wildfire cannot do

[eager mantle]

Yea. Not home so I can't play but I'll see how it goes

[orchid nest]

yeah try it out for sure

always fun to try new builds

[eager mantle]

May try out Assail, Sciers and Warp Siphon too

[vocal cliff]

That's pretty fun from my experience

[near wyvern]

Scrier's and warp siphon don't go well hand in hand cause Scrier's can't get the CD reduction from siphon charges

[eager mantle]

I know you don't get full value of warp siphon

Trying to see this guy's value in warp siphon over DD randomness

[near wyvern]

It has stupid limitations yes but that doesn't make it still bad. Due to the exponential scaling of soulblaze at lower stacks it is extremely good as a fire starter to ramp up your damage faster, but you can only benefit from this if you apply blaze frequently, so that is either purgatus staff or fire trauma and nothing else

[rare arrow]

I was using it in a fire trauma/smite test and it was surprisingly good

[hexed geyser]

What blessings do i want on a mk4? (and perks too i guess)

[rare arrow]

Dueling sword?

[plucky flax]

I use wildfire dw it's good.

[rare arrow]

Uncanny strikes and shred, though there are a lot of viable ones

Perks would be maniac and unyielding

Though, some people opt for carapace for cleaner crusher 3 shots

[hexed geyser]

Well i won't change anything on my sword lmao

[plush oak]

BRO WAS GRINDING HOLYYY

[hexed geyser]

Beta player

[rare arrow]

Ah, that app

My. Zealots only around 500 and psyker around 200 with ~ 1k hours between them. So 1400 is a pretty good time investment

[eager mantle]

I've been playing since class update. Min 80 on all classes. Vet and Psyker far more

[plush oak]

based

[plush oak]

based aswell

[rare arrow]

I started back in beta, joined this discord after one of the last betas

[plush oak]

i only have 180 hrs in the game so im a newbie by these standards

[rare arrow]

It’s ok, level means very little. I don’t have that specific mod, but a buddy does and loves it

[eager mantle]

This game just hooked me. I need to stop and play other games

[plush oak]

i recommend vermintide 2

😏

[rare arrow]

I actually can’t VT2 after DT.

[plush oak]

or DRG honestly banger game too

[rare arrow]

The whole system feels.. clunky

[plush oak]

same here

[rare arrow]

Rock and stone

[plush oak]

to the bone.

[eager mantle]

I didn't play a lot of VT2. It's good. Don't like being locked out of a character if someone else is using it

[rare arrow]

“DID I HEAR A ROCK AND STONe”

[plush oak]

it is very unfortunate

[rare arrow]

I played a bunch of VT2, just create your own lobby and then you get your character

[plush oak]

rate my unfortunate blaze trauma roll (im broke now)

[rare arrow]

If you grab saltire and queue you won’t be kicked off of him as example

[rare arrow]

Why is this unfortunate?

[plush oak]

would have loved at least 60% warp rez honestly

and that maniac damage to be crit chance

[rare arrow]

Nah, that staff is fine and will not be the reason you fail missions

I’d reroll flak to crit imo.

[stone canyon]

Guess ill have to add this to the list of new potential melee weapons to try

[plush oak]

just did, imma test it out rn

[rare arrow]

Maniac is fine, though none of that matters. Only crit

[plush oak]

devils claw is very underrated imo

[rare arrow]

Iirc weapon perks do not apply to soulblaze which is where all of that staves damage comes from

Hood radius and good charge rate

[stone canyon]

Too bad its not MK IV, which is supposedly best variant

[rare arrow]

As previously mentioned, that staff will not fail you/cause you to lose.

[plush oak]

yup

[plush oak]

yea, i rolled it last night so i havent even had the chance to test it yet

[eager mantle]

Need to slap Blaze on this baby

[rare arrow]

I never tried the mk7

[rare arrow]

I’d have to look at warp res stats and see how it feels in psyk. Does that low warp res hurt it too much

It’s probably still fine

[plush oak]

this is a banger 💀

[eager mantle]

With both -5 peril generation nodes it gens ~31ish peril off 1 charge attack

[rare arrow]

So 3 per peril bar instead of 4. Probably not cripplingly relevant

Should absolutely be a fine staff.

You plan to run venting or bubble with it?

[eager mantle]

You have like 3 charge attacks as opposed to a higher warp resist allowing 5

[rare arrow]

Yea it’s 4 at 50%

5 at 65% I think

Maybe it was 5 at 70, idk for sure

[plush oak]

should be sitting at around 80% peril anyways

[eager mantle]

Oh it's just for meme collection. I have an actual Blaze trauma

Seeing 3% warp resist is just funny

[ionic needle]

Look at this heretic collecting zero resources for an entire game

Do they think we're doing this for fun!? No, it's all about the plasteel!

[eager mantle]

I've seen people look at diamantine and walk away

[ionic needle]

They were playing VS/Smite and spent 90% of the game dead, 9% smiting and 1% using VS lmb so I shouldn't be too surprised I guess

[plucky flax]

No keep flak to 1 shot shotgunner

[plucky flax]

Sub 500 plasteels xd

[plush oak]

ill play around with it

im actively looking for a better one anyways

closer to your god roll lmao

[plucky flax]

[ornate hamlet]

can someone explain warpcharges to me im confuse

is it only useful if you use brain mush?

or is it useful if i use truama staff?

[vestal fulcrum]

Which Warp charges? The ones from Warp Siphon keystone, or the ones from Empowered Psionics?

[ornate hamlet]

warp siophon

[vestal fulcrum]

So, which portion is not understood by you? The one that reads “warp charges grant damage”?

[ornate hamlet]

what is a warpcharge? im shooting projectiles through my staff or using right click

is warpcharge the projectiles?

or is it added damage ontop of the projectiles?

[hexed geyser]

Warp charges gives damage, cooldown reduction when you use the ability and sometimes toughness

You get them by killing ennemies when you have that keystone selected

[vestal fulcrum]

Warp charge is a buff

[hexed geyser]

That

First one is cdr, 2nd is toughness, 3rd is damage and the last 2 give more charges

[vestal fulcrum]

Which is granted to you whenever you kill an elite or special* enemy, or through one of its upgrades (the third row).

Whenever you use your ability, you will expend your warp charges, in exchange for reducing the cooldown of your next ability, respectively with reference to how many charges you have expended

[ornate hamlet]

ah i see thanks

[plush oak]

not bad first game blaze trauma

[opaque charm]

Sometimes having the best score is just suffering

[hollow jolt]

"2000 damage taken"

"Attacks blocked: 2"

[plush oak]

💀💀💀

[midnight jolt]

how do you show the end score?

[hollow jolt]

The funny part is I can't tell if that's Heresy or Damnation

[midnight jolt]

is rampage a thing on DS?

[open pike]

Blocking is for YELLOWBELLIES

[silver mantle]

Whats blocking?

I just parry everything

[open pike]

The armless legless zealot bouncing out of the evac

[silver mantle]

Tbh though I still dont block that much damage

Not sure why you would use it as opposed to say... dodging or push attacking to stagger

[opaque charm]

If you play on PC (steam) it's pretty easy with mods

[hollow jolt]

When you take 2000 damage, it should be considered UwU

[silver mantle]

Fair

I got a feeling most of those are shooters though

[hollow jolt]

2000 damage taken from poxwalkers 💪💪💪

probably

[silver mantle]

If you take 2k from pox walkers thats a rip

Unless you get mountain dew fired

And body blocked

[hollow jolt]

Also just noticed one of the Vets literally never picked up ammo or wasted a shot

[long wharf]

you mean they never fired a shot?

[hollow jolt]

I wonder if they were going for the funny accuracy penance

[long wharf]

it's pretty easy to do

grab a low ammo weapon, mag dump everything into a boss, use melee the rest of the run

[silver mantle]

Thing is, you want to do it on an easy mission, not one that ends in 2600 kills lol

[long wharf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

randos be rando(m)

[silver mantle]

No for the veteran

It has to be a private lobby

[long wharf]

oh that's right, that's a legacy penance

[silver mantle]

Yee

[hollow jolt]

People are dumb

Had people not know it needed a private lobby

[long wharf]

maybe the vet was just feeling the melee rage

[silver mantle]

What I gotta do is load and expload on some specialist in my rando games

[silver mantle]

Or running a hellbore

[hollow jolt]

Hellbore bayonet build rip

[eager mantle]

FGC and Darktide player 🤝 "I didn't pay to block"

[silver mantle]

Not even

[midnight jolt]

on this DS, should I change shred 3 for uncanny strike 2?

[silver mantle]

Hellbore is mondo efficient

With ammo

(Most shots use 0 ammo)

[long wharf]

we seem to have this discussion every day

if you use your ds against mostly hordes, riposte is useful

if you don't, keep shred

put your highest uncanny strike into the other blessing slot

[silver mantle]

Uncanny 2 not worth it

Over shred 3

[dawn spoke]

none of the veteran penances require a private lobby

[silver mantle]

The accuracy one does I thought?

[hollow jolt]

Don't think so

[silver mantle]

Specifically all of the heresy ones do

[hollow jolt]

Its just tedious

[willow hazel]

Yes. Replace with uncanny 3/4 when you get it

[fickle onyx]

For warp battery penance
Do I need to have max charge from warp siphon? Or do I need to be at 100% for 6 mins?

[dawn spoke]

nope, I've been in several public lobbies where people were doing that one

[silver mantle]

No clue, they had a special icon on them to say only in private lobbies

[dawn spoke]

the ones that require that have that icon on them yes

[dawn spoke]

you just need to be at max stacks for 6 minutes, whether that's 4 or 6 doesn't matter

[midnight jolt]

I was supposed to play Zealot/Psyker 50/50, why am I stuck on Psyker for 2 days now

[long wharf]

wrong, uncanny strike is the #1 blessing on melee

you always want it, at the highest level you can get

[silver mantle]

Tier of blessing matters

[long wharf]

not for this

[silver mantle]

Alright then

[silver mantle]

Listen to these guys not me, am probably a paint chip enjoyer

[long wharf]

I should create a version of my pfp with the bird wearing a darktide beta helmet

[rich jolt]

Thatd be funny

[fickle onyx]

Do I need to have max warp charge for 6 minutes stright or it can be just in random times but in same mission for penance?

[long wharf]

straight

consecutive

[fickle onyx]

Fuk

[long wharf]

it was easier to do before the talent tree patch

[fickle onyx]

I'm just gonna do high intensity damnation that should help

[long wharf]

before you were forced to lose all your warp charges for ability cooldown

[dawn spoke]

yeah definitely

[rich jolt]

Thats the way

[long wharf]

just don't use your ability

[fickle onyx]

I'm gonna apologize to team for not using ability

Feels horrible to fo it this way damn

[gray jetty]

Just stab things harder to compensate

[rich jolt]

Just run scriers gaze they wont notice a difference

[long wharf]

I personally consider it very rude to try to do penances in a PUG

especially on heresy+

[eager token]

100% psyker penances

[gray jetty]

Nah a majority of penances these days dont require you to throw

Old ones though

And not using your ability isnt even that bad these days, we're so broken

[fickle onyx]

Well
I used to play alot of zealot so I can to some degree compensate

[dawn spoke]

funny that you can do the warp charges and ammo efficiency penances in public lobbies but not the ogryn charge one, cus those are way more trolly

[distant roost]

Nah for some it’s the only way

Long as you don’t throw, who gives a fuck

[fickle onyx]

But old ones look good
New ones look like I'm broke but in diffrent colors

[distant roost]

You can carry games with just a melee weapon and not touch anything else

[long wharf]

if you aren't throwing, people won't be able to tell, and that's fine

just don't play poorly in the name of chasing a penance

[distant roost]

yea I mean when I was trying to do an Ogryn penance, I tried it at the end cuz it’s 60 enemies in a rush

And I tried to get it throughout the game, but that is just yknow

Playing

[golden tartan]

Vets and On Overwatch

[dawn spoke]

nah the silly way to do that is to find a low intensity malice match

if you ever queue into one of those at least 2 of the other players will be vets chasing that penance lol

[golden tartan]

A lot will try to hide in the back

And inadvertently get hit

And then ragequit

[dawn spoke]

that sounds like a good way to get your butt tickled

[golden tartan]

Yep

[distant roost]

Best way is hide in the center fr

[golden tartan]

They will try to run away from enemies

[distant roost]

Or have an Ogryn bodyguard

To pull aggro

[golden tartan]

Best way is just play normally

Being scared of melee is how u get ass tickled

Cos the more u run away the more likely ur to get slapped

[fickle onyx]

Btw brain rupture still count towards the brain burst penance?

4 specialist in 12s

Thank god

[distant roost]

Yea way I did that was uh

Illisi

[fickle onyx]

Hell maybe thats even easier to do

[distant roost]

Brain Rupture

[fickle onyx]

Do shotgunners and gunners count?

Or just the rest

Idk who i should kill

[distant roost]

Gunners are elites

Shotgunners are special

[gray jetty]

Specialists are basically all disablers

[fickle onyx]

Ah

[gray jetty]

Shotgunners are still elites iirc

[fickle onyx]

Wait im blind both elites or special

Do ragers count too?

[dawn spoke]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/enemies?type=SPECIALIST

[gray jetty]

Outside of disablers, flamers, bombers, snipers

[distant roost]

Yea that’s mb

Snipers, Flamers, Bombers, Dogs, Muties, Trappers are specialists

[fickle onyx]

Nice nice
Hell id try that its way easier to 6 min of charge

[gray jetty]

Training area, all specialists are grouped together

[harsh skiff]

So, I've got a Voidstrike Staff, and I use brain burst, why do things sometimes just catch on soulfire, but its not everytime, just sometimes

[gray jetty]

Just run an STG mission with a revolver

EZ warp charges

[dawn spoke]

do you have the perilous combustion talent?

[harsh skiff]

I am a fool

its that

thanks

[fickle onyx]

Ah that makes sense
Wish it also said their group when tagging in tarining

[hexed geyser]

To make it easy to remember, everything that wants to kill you really fast is an elite, everything that punishes you for staying somewhere or not actively dodging is a specialist.

[gray jetty]

If they have a spawn noise(when they work and sans snipers), they're a specialist

[hexed geyser]

They have spawn noise? I just instinctively dodge when i hear an attack queue

[long wharf]

more clearly - elites spawn in groups, pre-placed in the level

specialists spawn dynamically by the AI director in response to player behavior

[hexed geyser]

Good to know

[gray jetty]

Bomber's flak? I swear if you hit it in training it pops as maniac

Or im tripping

[long wharf]

he's a scab, so that tracks

I'm surprised the trapper isn't flak

[analog agate]

I have a 56% dmg staff and 79% blaze trauma staff. I’ll be honest, in the moment to moment gameplay I can’t tell the difference

[long wharf]

Damage is not important for blaze trauma

Critting is

[paper loom]

what perks do we look for ont he fire staff?

[gray jetty]

Perks? I'd assume maniac and like, flak or something

[spiral minnow]

went purgatus and 4th difficulty and 30 is there, tutorial over, now game begins xDD

[mental rock]

Perks for purge are Crit chance and flak

[ornate hamlet]

just spent 1m credits trying to get highest surger staff

was it worth

lol

[plucky flax]

[dapper shadow]

should I swap out elites or specialists for crit chance?

hmm

[gray jetty]

I uh

[harsh urchin]

this one's kinda bricked ngl

[gray jetty]

Dont think crit chance is worth it

[harsh urchin]

i would just start over

[dapper shadow]

wym

[harsh urchin]

you need crit/flak and nexus/blazing

all 4

are important

[dapper shadow]

why is flak important there

[gray jetty]

Thats perfectly usable to abuse brittle and venting shriek

[harsh urchin]

because flak hits almost every enemy type

[hot zephyr]

Blazing Trauma is immensely difficult to make work. You need a god-rolled staff, and perfect blessings and perks.

[dapper shadow]

But the main point for the flame trauma is to burn stuff innit

I have the two blessings

[harsh urchin]

no lol

the main point is to do a lot of damage

and if you're not using optimal gear and not playing optimally via quell cancelling etc

you might as well play a diff build

[dapper shadow]

I can probably still use it without flak even if its a lil less damage

[harsh urchin]

it'll be 25% less damage to almost everything

[ornate hamlet]

fuck sake wasted a million

truma staff is best

[spiral minnow]

where can i find the trinket?

[plucky flax]

I would change elites to flak tbh for this staff.

[dapper shadow]

fair enough

[plucky flax]

Just 2 cent from a noob blaze trauma enjoyer.

[hot zephyr]

You can definitely use it still, just don't expect the results you see on youtube. Blazing Trauma is the most difficult weapon to create because it has to be essentially perfect for the build to work as advertised

It's reliant on exact breakpoints and certain values

[dapper shadow]

I dont really care about minmax that much

its fine

[harsh urchin]

the main difference is

shit dying when you hit it

vs shit doesn't die when you hit it

lol

[plucky flax]

Just get my staff smh

[harsh urchin]

so if you don't care about minmax, you may find the build a bit disappointing

but go try it out and see for yourself

[hot zephyr]

Blazing Trauma IS the ULTIMATE min-max build. If you don't care about min-max, use purgatus or flurry/shockware truama. you'll get better results much easier.

[dapper shadow]

Ive been using flurry shockwave trauma

practically a support

which is fine

[gray jetty]

Thats not support though

Rending shcokwave, flurry and shriek does obscene damage

[dapper shadow]

Ive been using it with bubble

Should try shriek as well

[plucky flax]

Please play blaze trauma with creeping flame

[gray jetty]

Until the crafting system is less shit

No

[plucky flax]

As in if you're gonna play blaze trauma, don't use bubble.

Use the ability that enhance and enable your staff to be even more op.

[dapper shadow]

I mean the brittle trauma

[stuck sinew]

Breakpoints get a lot more lenient when there's 3 other people attacking the same group of enemies

[harsh urchin]

they really don't

lmao

[plucky flax]

Oh I don't play the bad trauma build.

[dapper shadow]

huh, the guide uses the stun shield instead of shriek

[plucky flax]

[dapper shadow]

for blaze trauma

[harsh urchin]

ye you play the sweaty one

we know

[gray jetty]

What in the Emperor is that

[dapper shadow]

idk its in pins

[somber seal]

bubble shield so good

[plucky flax]

Ask me for blaze trauma advices.

[dapper shadow]

ok

give me the weapon and talent tree

[hot zephyr]

Yeah that's the BLAZE build. Notice the words above it that are a giant disclaimer of "I don't really want to show this but it's a META build so here's an example"

[plucky flax]

At the start https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgEbIVOYwfc

[rare arrow]

Blaze trauma with shield is a very strong setup

Actually yea that is almost identical to my build.

Blaze trauma, bubble shield, Bb, and EP. Setup can handle everything

I don’t use stun/wall shield but I get why you would

[plucky flax]

Scoreboard of this round. Nearly 250 smol shooters killed by me without using bubble.

[dawn spoke]

can confirm that once you learn to scream at shooters they're not that bad to deal with

[plucky flax]

I don't use bubble on any of my build.

[half iron]

i just tell them to stop it

[plucky flax]

It's a very good ability but I find more usage out of creeping flames personally.

[umbral helm]

venting shriek just being the psyker equivalent of vicious mockery

[mighty olive]

Frig meta, play what you want, enjoy the game

[dapper shadow]

so does quell cancel work if you hold R then let go when you need cancelling or does it specifically need a tap

[steel flame]

Tap

[dapper shadow]

yeah, I think i got it

[steel flame]

No shortcuts sorry

[dim parrot]

playing a gunker build without gun is funny

[dapper shadow]

I can double tap and it works too

so the input timing isnt too bad

[hasty breach]

the force swords sharing blessings, right? for unlocks? been a while

[mighty olive]

Yesm they should

[ionic needle]

Is it worth it trying to get +3 stam curio from the melk gamble?

[analog agate]

That extra dmg here or there doesn’t seem to affect the gameplay much. It doesn’t change a fully charged shot from a 1 to 2 shot as I always have some form of warp charges going and around 80% peril. Yeah, it helps but definitely isn’t a brick as it is on other weapons. I have only put 15-20 hours of the 79% dmg one to use over 100s on my other one. So time will tell. And that over 1 million dmg scoreboard I posted in the build section was with that 56% dmg blaze trauma.

[eager token]

what is the blaze in blaze trauma

i am but a humble voidstrike peon

[ionic needle]

trauma with soulblaze blessing

[willow hazel]

blazing spirit. Voidstrike gets it too

[eager token]

[plush oak]

so close to 1k kills 😦

[plucky flax]

Soon bro I get it all the time.

[spiral minnow]

so, any recommendations for highest difficulties build wise?

[plucky flax]

Surge smite illisi

[plush oak]

id go surge brain rupture illisi

smite is kinda meh honestly

at least in my experience

[plucky flax]

Help for sudden elites pack or big mixed horde.

[plush oak]

absolute banger at brunt's

[plush oak]

smite is bad 90% of the time

but that 10% is run saving amazing

💀

[plucky flax]

Simply use smite like 3 times during a round.

I just surge spam mostly.

[plush oak]

honestly we kinda got shafted with the blitzez

[plush oak]

👆 this guy gets it

[spiral minnow]

surge? thats the lighting staff?

[plucky flax]

Top 1% psyker

[plush oak]

does the +1 jump from smite still work for surge?

[plucky flax]

Nope.

[plush oak]

unfortunate

[plucky flax]

I played bad and still got 700k damage in 28 mins. 1k kills
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2bFmK73DjE

[plush oak]

only way to run smite is with empowered psyonics

[plucky flax]

Could do but I play warp charges for more creeping flame spam.

[plush oak]

yea understandable

warp charges is so powerful

do u ever run gun psyker?

i heard is really good

the columnus is actually busted on any class

[plucky flax]

Yeah I use the same build for gun, just switches out the gun. I use mk2 revolver, mk2 laspistol, or columbus.

My fav is revolver.

[plush oak]

lets do this boys

solo auric damnation hunting grounds

ez clap

[tulip kettle]

see you in 4 minutes

[plush oak]

revvy is very fun, but man the columnus is just so damn powerful

[analog agate]

Doable with assail

[harsh urchin]

stability might be a bit too bad

[tulip kettle]

kind of tempted honestly...

[hot zephyr]

Honestly, you won't really feel the difference between warp flurry 1 and 4

I'd buy it

[tulip kettle]

i already have this

and this

but i was hoping for another surge / nexus with a dmg roll higher than 77 to one shot crushers

[stone canyon]

Tried out Gunker build for first time, found out the hard way, that once you use Scrier, dont Assail while its in 100%

[plush oak]

doable with voidstaff if ur gigachad enough

[tulip kettle]

skizzo is back 🙂

[spiral minnow]

there is so much ways to play the psyker, cant decide which to pursue gear wise xD

[latent stone]

any chad chainsword users here?

[long osprey]

I use stripped down on my columnus, it’s pretty good with dum dum

[tulip kettle]

7 mins tho gj

[stone canyon]

Just see what kind of nice stuff shop provides, and go with it

Personally i aimed for Duellist Sword mk4 and Voidstrike though as primary, got it now together pretty well

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, depending on your peril reduction talents you gotta be really careful. I tend to weave into a non-warp weapon whenever I'm above 85% just so I don't stam-deplete while blocking

[stone canyon]

I blew up 3 times in that mission, while barely took any actual damage

[tawny jetty]

What do you use for hordes w this setup? I'm interested because those two pieces of gear are the best I've got so far.

[stone canyon]

Voidstrike spam on the heads, once out of room or 100% peril, stab some to either make room or move to better position to voidstrike some more

Voidstrike does nice AOE, staggers and penetrates crowds

[plush oak]

im in game

xd

[tulip kettle]

is there a worse condition than sniper gauntlet?

discuss

[ionic needle]

I really don't like mutants or poxbursters, just annoying

[stone canyon]

Anyways, im only few days into using em, so im not really expert for pro gamer tips on em, just can say that they work well

6 Crushers on Damnation are no longer intimidating if they tightly packed enough that you can stagger em all, couple clicks later they ded

[tawny jetty]

I love both those weapons, I just feel like I can get overwhelmed easily. I tried the surge/vent setup and felt like i had more survivability.

Love the voidstrike stagger, for sure!

[stone canyon]

Yeah its not at its best when you got horde surrounding you from all directions

[spiral minnow]

purgatus feel great, makes u feel invincible with hordes, got this penance last 4 games before 30 lvl, had problems with bigger targets tho

[tawny jetty]

I'd love to try purgatus but no luck yet. Looking to get a flame trauma going but need the blessing. Might try rending trauma though. 🤔

[harsh urchin]

Are you level30