psyker-class

[lethal lagoon]

I feel like DMin a game with Psykers is probably fun as fuck.

Why is darktide combat so good and why is there literally no other game even remotely close to this :C

[idle bay]

Rulles were writted by some nutjub high on shrooms. So it's advisible to ignore base rulles for psykers and do your own. Sane rules for psykers

[hasty breach]

most rpgs have an initial investment hurdle for me because it takes effort -- then the story and build mechanics kicks in and it gets easier. but stress in life makes it harder. maybe you'd like roguelikes too

[lethal lagoon]

Initial investment hurdle, fuck, worst part of RPGs

[ionic needle]

I love roguelikes, also play a lot of soulslikes

Anything that's just pure fun game works for me

[lethal lagoon]

Turn on a souls game, literally play immiedately, tough to beat that

[ionic needle]

Yeah it's like "here's your sword, there's the dude, go kill him, bye"

[opaque tendon]

praise

[west bronze]

nice

[safe merlin]

what do i add to it?

[ionic needle]

disgusting

[lethal lagoon]

I'd change both perks Nice roll

[west bronze]

swap point blank for surgical

[safe merlin]

im not sure how gun psyker works

[lethal lagoon]

It's the new revolver

[idle bay]

Though i remember or long campaign in Dark heresy where is was playing psyker. Each time i rolled for peril - party cheered "Demons! Demons! Demons!" through all campign demon pop-out just once. Where beten bruttaly by my psyker like a total gimp and kicked back into the warp with "This is Imperium! Bitch!" phrase.
Ok.. i did once karke-up peril roll on EPIC scale - causing blood rain in few miles radius while our party was chased by hundreds of heretics in crazy desert race.
Heretic ended up gone catatonic from fear from blood rain. Out praty rolled good - and gone butchring helpless heretics. Hundreds of them. For the Emrah of course!

[lethal lagoon]

I have no idea how the new revolver should be blessed on psyker

[ionic needle]

now just swap crit% for weak spot and flurry for terrifying barrage and it's golden

please don't, it was a jest

[west bronze]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b0907c8-c1c5-4f44-966f-7cb2e571b1ea/zarona-revolver-gunker?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[opaque tendon]

too late i replaced nexus with run and gun

[lethal lagoon]

Run and Gun has a secret 17.5% damage bonus.
It's Fatshark's way of balancing things for xbox players

[safe merlin]

My revover isnt the Zarona

[west bronze]

oof

[lethal lagoon]

New revolver isn't very good on Psyker, from what I understand.

There's one specific Vet build it's goodish on, but it's a meme

[west bronze]

well, you'll need to find a zarona one

[idle bay]

What is the reason to keep playing game after hundreds of hours if not FOR MEMES!

[lethal lagoon]

Plasteel

[urban hearth]

[safe merlin]

then why does everyone in strike teams telling me the new revolver is great on psyker because the reload speed

[idle bay]

I rejected crafting system... so i just hoarding plasteel.

[west bronze]

I dunno

[lethal lagoon]

I have no idea what that means

[cold ivy]

you can't trust people on the internet

[ornate hamlet]

It's a revolver meant for different things

[lethal lagoon]

Fake screenshots is so last winter.

🥹

[west bronze]

a.k.a being a zealot

[ornate hamlet]

Yep

Or a very yolo psyker if you REALLY want it

No way close to what the old revolver wants to do tbh

[cold ivy]

even on zealot i feel like the zarona is better

[west bronze]

yeah

[ornate hamlet]

Has like 0 penetration, pretty weird accuracy at mid ranges

[cosmic sigil]

Vet has more tools to juice it

[ornate hamlet]

But it's pretty fun for killing ragers/shotgunners I guess

[cold ivy]

cuz usually as zealot if you're running revolver you have like half a second to pull it out and kill what you need to kill

[ornate hamlet]

Yep

And then switch back after since you're usually in the middle of a horde

You just needed it to merc that trapper or bomber

[cosmic sigil]

That's also the life of a weapon specialist

[ornate hamlet]

Weapon specialist is so chad you can basically do that with any weapon tbh

I use weapon specialist psword/shovel + plasmagun

Just yolo everything cos you're good at everything

[cosmic sigil]

Btw is there a way to not charge lmb shots?

[cold ivy]

i think if you just mash LMB it'll come out "uncharged"

[cosmic sigil]

It introduces some kind of delay it hate it

[cold ivy]

which is to say it still takes like a quarter of a second to fire off

[ornate hamlet]

Not sure
I just live with the delay

And pretend it's a bow

[cosmic sigil]

Yep

[cold ivy]

you gotta shoot where they will be, not where they are

[ornate hamlet]

But I'm mega biased since I used a lot of Kruber Manbow

[cold ivy]

even though the projectile is pretty much hitscan, the delay makes it so you have to do a little predicting

[ornate hamlet]

So I'm used to my ranged weapon having a half second delay

[cosmic sigil]

That's kinda hard after playing so much with a revolver lol

[ornate hamlet]

The thing that's truly fucked is the phantom plasma shots

[cosmic sigil]

But yeah. I see

[ornate hamlet]

Can't tell if I'm firing half the time

[cosmic sigil]

Fuck I thought I was the only one

[idle bay]

Idea for new Psyker's class ability (that Fatshark will never came up with and will implement anyway) - staff overcharge. You get one or few overcharged attacks with staff with extra effect/damage/targets/area depending on staff.

[cold ivy]

these are small prices to pay for the power of plasma

[ornate hamlet]

Yeahp

It's the manbow of darktide

[cold ivy]

the gun kills everything

[ornate hamlet]

Well
Less cool than the manbow since the manbow needs aiming

Plasma gun is just general direction of your target and you'll probably kill it eventually

Cleave on it is disgusting

[cold ivy]

all i want for christmas is 1SBS on gunners

[ornate hamlet]

And I don't think suppression affects you too?

Thing feels pinpoint accurate even if the crosshair is bad

[cold ivy]

yeah

[mighty fractal]

I remember when the VT2 weapon update patch changed the zoom on the manbow

[cosmic sigil]

It's not pinpoint. More like room accurate

[mighty fractal]

And all 10 Huntsman mains were very upset

[ornate hamlet]

Mood

[cold ivy]

also it feels like headshotting with plasma is quite forgiving

cuz the projectile has some size to it and (again, feels like) will prioritize heads

[mighty fractal]

Yeah it should have been a toggle like Kerillian's bows, but she probably gets the manual zoom due to Elfsight or something lore-related

[cold ivy]

but still... if i could kill gunners with a single shot to center mass i would be even happier

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah

[mighty fractal]

Give Vet and Zealot a condemnor bolter

simple

🙂

[ornate hamlet]

I feel you

The plasma projectile is huge lol

[mighty fractal]

plasma basically fires entire tree trunks

[ornate hamlet]

Only thing that throws me off when I play manbow tbh
Elf longbow has toggle zoom so I have perfect vision of my surroundings

Kruber has to squint tho

So he gets worse fov cos he's a human

Mfw

[mighty fractal]

Poor mayflies

[hard widget]

is the illisi sword the best for horde clear?

what perks and blessings do you run on it

[cold ivy]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

should have all the answers!

(at least i hope it's accurate) edit: was updated dec 20 2023 so it should be up to date at least

from my experience, illisi is the most comfy sword for horde clear because you can just spam lights

[idle bay]

Beacuse if you do charged attacks with Illsi- horde disappears way too fast

[next turret]

how do you keep maximum warp charges for 300s?

im not sure how it works

[idle bay]

1. High density of targets to pop heads off.
2. Pre-made team and any data interrogation event (infinite spawns). Team leaves all speacial and elites alive and mark them for you, while killing trash only.

[next turret]

you need to use brain burst?

[idle bay]

Nope 🙂 Any killing method will do 🙂

[tacit stump]

trauma has kinda weird range should i use shards with them

[candid harness]

I dislike the psyker staves so much it's unreal 😦

[safe merlin]

Is the square shield getting a buff anytime soon?

[tacit stump]

then go gunpsyker or even better vet

[stone canyon]

Finally get friend to help with 90% brainburst monstrosity penance in custom game, and he for whatever reason thinks i got it done already and whacks it worth 6k dmg

[ionic needle]

gunker with columnus, mk 6 dagger and assail is the most fun I've had in a while

[stone canyon]

I got it done in Damnation mission that was so busy with enemies i just struggled to survive instead of keep eye on warp charges, after the most intense part was over, got the message it was done

Felt like 5min non-stop action

Used Voidstrike Staff mostly for the kills

[next turret]

i use the shards and the knopckdown with the damage so when big mobs come of poxers and elites they all just melt

ooh use my staff?

i always have a gun lol

[stone canyon]

Well whatever kills the elites/specials to keep warp charges up

[next turret]

i have a good one

gonna try that ground reticle one soon as i get some more plasteel

[stone canyon]

So damn annoyed friend ruined my penance by just randomly attacking the monstrosity for no good reason

[granite mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-lol-gta-gta-san-andreas-running-gif-25040072

[next turret]

the emperor only gives me axwe on all my free ones from runs though lol

axes

axes axes axes

[stone canyon]

This monstrosity 90% penance is worst game design ive seen in a while

Brain Burst is so goddamn weak i struggle to deal 90% even against lvl 1 bots

[next turret]

i dont like brain burst

[stone canyon]

And all the best looking armor locked behind it

I f**** hate it, but im forced to use it for these

[next turret]

i think it works a little different now i remember it being simpler in beta

[stone canyon]

Yeah gotta r-click meter full and then left click at right moment or something like that

Its annoying mechanic in fast paced combat with very subpar results

[next turret]

it had better purpose at first now its just too slow

the others will melt your burst right before it hits

[stone canyon]

It feels like some sort of bad joke and ofc they loaded all the penances on it

[ionic needle]

finally a scab only maelstrom rolls around so I can go trauma and kill some big ones and of course I only get shit teams

[candid harness]

yessir
Power sword and revolver or laspistol 🤠

[halcyon agate]

Guys

Which staff can be used to deal with long range enemies?

[hard widget]

voidstrike

[tacit stump]

else you can go for long range blitz

i love personally the psyker weapons

[echo frigate]

You need a private game with bots and a shield ogryn to do it :(

[halcyon agate]

Let me try it later, I am currently running smite + surge staff, and can only stares at long range enemies

[echo frigate]

Surge hits 50m+

Or 50m is the cap

But that's solid range

[halcyon agate]

It’s like at the arena at the last stage of Mercantile mission

I try to shoot the gunner at the opposite side but it’s just out of range

[stone canyon]

Thats what i did, except shield Ogryn, friend brought his lvl 30 Veteran, but for whatever reason, he blocked it until at end started doing damage, think he thought i need to do damage to it until its 90% done, not that i am the 90% of damage done to it

So it failed with his burst damage when it was almost dead

Just Veteran things i suppose

[echo frigate]

Maybe

I forget what ability has the fastest regen on osyker

But a BB build with that

[stone canyon]

But even then, the lvl 1 bots did suprisingly much dmg compared to my super useless brainburst

But without his dmg, i think i would have been just above 90%

[earnest laurel]

Just tried surge staff psyker after playing nothing but veteran. And I gotta say, it feels so cheesy. The range, the auto targeting etc etc. But its fun and good.

[hasty breach]

why does the pygex guide recommend unyielding for the mk2 laspistol? i know it can stack burn for bosses but surely its for a gunker build that would need flak and maniac more?

[steel flame]

It's for melting bosses, laspistol already has a really high flak and maniac damage modifier in stopping power

I prefer crit chance and unyielding but you can run maniac over crit chance if you really want to, but flak is overkill on both laspistols

[dapper shadow]

I’m running that build where you only use surge staff and did a lights out HI run its so good

I can’t see anything, no one brought flashlights but I’m still hitting everything since the surge staff auto aims as long as I point it within the enemy’s general direction

[opaque charm]

And no one pings!

[hexed geyser]

In lights out i just rebind my ping to my mouse and point everywhere with my revo 😄

[cerulean pollen]

what is the dump stat on lightning staff?

[compact thorn]

Critical Bonus

[steel flame]

.......it's quell speed

[tulip kettle]

range on surge staff is more like 30m

and its my issue with it too, you cant just surge staff without BB or assail to deal with gunners and snipers

every time i use surge i wish i had void or trauma

[dapper shadow]

never had that issue, I find it so much easier because I can just lock onto someone with surge and go back to cover like BB

[plucky flax]

Xd

[dapper shadow]

and it also stuns every single enemy in the game except monstrosities and muties (without crit)

so it helps the team and makes dealing with elite packs very comfortable

[flint plover]

I specifically play surge in the morning and when I'm drinking

[dapper shadow]

deals very good damage too with all the buffs on the talent

[flint plover]

Ez stuff

[dapper shadow]

I'm building the trauma next I think

I just love stuff with crowd control

while also being able to deal with carapace/elites

[earnest laurel]

Its really good with pugs. I like purgatus staff a lot, but with pugs it doesnt work that well imo. Surge just has that fast damage range attack.

[dapper shadow]

yep, the charge up is extremely fast and you can chain it between multiple elites to keep all of them in place

keeps pressure off your team if everyone is busy and makes killing elite packs extremely fast if someone is helping

dont even need to charge it to the max to get the stun out and being able to stop muties on crits is great

[cerulean pollen]

On the circle staff, does chargeing it give more damage or only AoE?

[distant roost]

on trauma?

unsure tbh

[plucky flax]

Yes more damage on full charge.

[earnest laurel]

I think half charging works best.

[dapper shadow]

against hordes yeah but full charge lets me one tap a lot of specials so I use that when I hear them so I can snipe them as soon as they appear

[earnest laurel]

Can you one tap them if they have nurgle buff?

[tulip kettle]

and im just here like

voidstrike would have made all of these things dead immediately

at any ranghe

why bother ccing it if its dead

[earnest laurel]

has travel time though

[plucky flax]

I can kill more with my blaze trauma than void.

[tulip kettle]

this is true

blaze trauma so bad

[plucky flax]

So tru

[tulip kettle]

cool you get a few more kills

[plucky flax]

Pls buff

[tulip kettle]

but your team hates it

same with purgatus

[plucky flax]

Xd

[tulip kettle]

its fun being the psyker with purg

[plucky flax]

Yes pls buff blaze trauma I am sad everytime I use it

[earnest laurel]

Also charge on surge is so fast, I can slide around and half cast. Very mobile. Voidstrike isnt that mobile.

[tulip kettle]

its not fun being one of the other 3 people in the game who cant see

its fun throwing the bodies around with trrauma

its not fun randomly being attacked in the back from a rager who has 100 hp left

because trauma psyker didnt finish him

[hasty breach]

ok, SO i have a new best purgatus staff and can make a tiny tweak to it. i USUALLY RUN purge with scrier's gaze for meme damage and to keep it from being insanely boring. i assume the damage stat is fine since im crit fishing. opinions--i could swap crit for maniac on the assumption scrier's is going. i could do tiny increase in flak damage. thoughts? my other staff is roughly the same but a little worse in cloud radius and warp resistance so im considering swapping crit for maniac just to have a diversity of options

[plucky flax]

Don't need to see I'll carry the game by myself.

[dapper shadow]

void requires using more brain because you also have to aim, and sometimes aiming head too

[tulip kettle]

takes prasctice to learn the cvharge + lead time for distant moving targets

[dapper shadow]

surge I just wave in their general direction and boom they're dead

[queen fog]

Why need aim when can use choke point

[dapper shadow]

its like a magic wand

[tulip kettle]

true

[long wharf]

I really hope you meant "always aiming at heads"

[tulip kettle]

nothing like sending a bowling ball and popping a line of 30 pins

[queen fog]

Amen to that brother, rock n stone btw

[dapper shadow]

idk the breakpoints since I dont have a void built at lv30 yet so I cant say but for normal ads I dont think aiming heads are needed 🤔

[earnest laurel]

Did I hear a,,,

[tulip kettle]

it is if you arent cvharging and want to 1 shot

ROCK N STONE

[queen fog]

Just read ur pfp, fellow scout main

Or am I big assuming

[cerulean pollen]

What blessings to aim for on force trauma staff?

[long wharf]

it's not about breakpoints but about hitting weakspots

[tulip kettle]

you want nexus and blaze

[long wharf]

that's how you proc True Aim

[tulip kettle]

or flurry and rending

[long wharf]

and get your repeated, consecutive crits

and when you have the surge blessing, that's a ~65% damage gain

[queen fog]

I run the latter of what dom said, shit can get mad fast

The faster the charge the less peril needed

[tulip kettle]

i prefer flurry and rending on trauma

[hot zephyr]

Damage is dump on a purgatus honestly. You care about the other 4 stats way more.

The usual build is to use CDR + Psykinetic Aura + Warp Siphon to reduce the cooldown of Shriek so you in theory never (or more usually only rarely) need to manual quell.

As for the staff itself, you really have no need to change anything on it. Flak + Crit is what you want and flurry/nexus is what you want, the fact you have a lvl 4 for both makes that staff and to flex both perks, but you don't even need it since 5% more flak and or 1% Crit will make very little difference.

[long wharf]

uhhhhhh

I don't think that's how it works

[tulip kettle]

charging has a flat peril cost

that is affected by warp resistance of the weapon

[cerulean pollen]

I just rolled this

[queen fog]

Fuck the warp voices have fed me lies

[tulip kettle]

very nice

[queen fog]

Thank u for guiding me outta my ignorance

[hot zephyr]

Mad jelly. That's beautiful

[tulip kettle]

i would leave the blessings as they are

[long wharf]

get some +flak on there

[cerulean pollen]

I mostly spam secondary attack

[queen fog]

Nice quell speed

[tulip kettle]

that is correct yes 😄

[cerulean pollen]

If I leave bless, what do I put on perk?

[tulip kettle]

change one for + flak

im not too sure on what other ones would make a difference

i dont think you hit any breakpoints

[long wharf]

you could go +flak and +maniac

[hot zephyr]

You only need to change groaners to flak and can leave the rest as is

[tulip kettle]

so you may consider + cara or + maniac

[cerulean pollen]

can secondary attack crit?

[long wharf]

yes

[tulip kettle]

yes

thats what nexus builds are for

[long wharf]

but I don't think the extra damage is crazy

[tulip kettle]

but with this trauma you dont care about crits

[mossy surge]

You use CRIT for blaze

Not dmg

[tulip kettle]

you just want to knock down all the big boys

[hot zephyr]

You can switch the Crit to something else. I'd recommend probably unyielding for bulwarks. But you can also just keep the Crit if you want

[tulip kettle]

i think its worthless to keep crit on this staff

[long wharf]

unyielding helps for bulwarks, reapers, mutants, and monstrosities

[hot zephyr]

Flak and the two blessing are what you care about

[long wharf]

you aren't going to be knocking down mutants and monstrosities, though

[hot zephyr]

Mutants are maniac

[long wharf]

whoops, you're right

[hot zephyr]

But otherwise yes I agree

[long wharf]

had a brain fart

[tulip kettle]

one thing i dont know

[long wharf]

damn, no fart emoji?

[tulip kettle]

are maulers maniacs?

[queen fog]

I’ve gotten lucky after a pal ogryn was giving one the business to a plague ogryn, but that the power of teamwork rather than only staff

[long wharf]

no

[queen fog]

Flak body Cara head

[tulip kettle]

seems they should be

[long wharf]

eh, the ragers are

[tulip kettle]

yeah i knew about the armour but armour type and unit type are seperate

[queen fog]

I feel ya they talk lots of shit

[tulip kettle]

exactly

[long wharf]

maulers can be staggered though

[tulip kettle]

maulers just sem like a ranger class

[hot zephyr]

Trauma with shockwave eats ogryn chassis enemies and provides massive choke point based CC. So what you pair up with it build/talent/melee wise is quite flexible.

[tulip kettle]

ragers can be staggered too?

[long wharf]

they're much harder to stagger

[tulip kettle]

as a pskey enjoyer i wouldnt know lol

[long wharf]

maulers are the human counterparts to crushers

[tulip kettle]

they always fall down when i poke em with deimos

so do crushers tbf

[hot zephyr]

Yes but they have a high stagger value. I know void strike can do it and combat axes can also stagger them. But I don't know actual values.

[queen fog]

Is possible battle brother, I’ve stagger spamed on like 3 dreg ragers with a run and gun flame staff

[long wharf]

well yeah, purge primary can stagger almost anything

[queen fog]

Valid is like saying trama force can stagger something

[feral verge]

liar

[bronze musk]

So whats you guys thoughts on this one? https://i.imgur.com/ruUNTQV.jpeg

[feral verge]

post proof that trauma can stagger

[feral verge]

bad

both blessings not good

[queen fog]

Shit I’ve been asked for a source, I gotta get outta here

[bronze musk]

change for

[queen fog]

Am not near my pc

[feral verge]

@bronze musk deimos wants this

[long wharf]

honestly, sell that deimos

[feral verge]

deimos needs uncanny strike

[flint plover]

typical Deimos blessings are uncanny and deflector/slaughterer

[long wharf]

damage is not a dump stat

[feral verge]

uncanny strike should ALMOST universally be put on all weapons that it is available for

like force swords

deimos especially

[long wharf]

and dueling swords

[feral verge]

flak is not needed on deimos

deimos already deletes flak

deimos wants maniac + elite/unyielding/carapace

[devout robin]

"damage is not a dump stat" when it's 1 point off from max

[bronze musk]

thanks!

[feral verge]

he is reffering to dofd's deimos

not my deimos

[long wharf]

yep

[feral verge]

dofd's deimos has a damage stat of 58

[devout robin]

oh my bad

[bronze musk]

but does a difference from 12 points really do much?

[devout robin]

disregard

[steel flame]

A heavy staff bonk puts both ragers on their ass, it's really funny

[long wharf]

ugh, staff bonks

[devout robin]

it depends on the weapon

[plucky flax]

Me out here picking plasteels.

[devout robin]

i'm sure you could literally milk and min-max what breakpoints are needed on a weapon to do what it needs to

[long wharf]

one of these days, I'm going to record a staff-bonk-only run just for the meme potential

[devout robin]

but if you're not doing that then i wouldn't dump damage

[feral verge]

yes it does, when weapon dmg starts being multiplied thru buffs a,d such

[devout robin]

^

[steel flame]

Staff bonk can also stagger crushers

[hot zephyr]

Don't sell it over that. The lower damage roll will make a small difference. It's probably not enough to make any key breakpoints. Because it also deals finesse damage and that is nearly maxed it's fine

[devout robin]

12% damage is basically worth about a perk's worth of damage

it may or may not affect breakpoints

if you still kill all the things you need to in a reasonable amount of swings, it's fine

[steel flame]

I don't recommend it. Devs put all its stats into stagger, it's damage is abysmal and not even brutal momentum on your melee works on it

[feral verge]

my 79 dmg deimos vs 63 dmg deimos

100 pts less damage

on heavy 2

big difference

[devout robin]

to be entirely fair

100 pts is literally 1/3rd of a poxwalker's health

[long wharf]

oh I know, that'd be part of "le funnie"

[steel flame]

Yeah......

I like meme builds. The only reason I play vet is to run around with a bayonet and get more melee damage than both melee classes

[devout robin]

i wouldn'tsay dump damage but your roll isn't bricked if you get low damage if you know it still does what it needs to get done

[long wharf]

the only reason I play vet is to plasma gun things

[devout robin]

if it stops you from three-tapping a crusher on a revolver then yeah maybe not

but that's. not gonna happen

there's other variables at play like drop-off too

[queen fog]

I also enjoy soccer ball sized blue holes on enemies too

[long wharf]

this server needs more emojis

[devout robin]

just shill for nitro like me

[feral verge]

That sounds fun. Could you post that build

I've never used helbore

[queen fog]

I lowkey got this one in thanks to a old HR woman in this server, is a verm 2 gif

[steel flame]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9affce48-dd15-4046-ba59-13aa0c50db05/zazy-stabby-bayonet-build

[long wharf]

what Human Resources woman?

[queen fog]

Na high rank my fault was a small acronym

[steel flame]

Your power sword only there to provide brutal momentum to the bayonet and as backup carapace damage

[long wharf]

it'd be funny if killing via bayonet counted as ranged kills

[tulip kettle]

it counts as heavy attacks on ogryn

which can have some funny interactions with talens

25% tough regen on single target heavy attack

[long wharf]

it has all the interactions on ogryn

[feral verge]

thanks homie

[tulip kettle]

but going back a bit

deimos NEEDS 75+ in damage, finesse and pen

else you cant hit the 1 shot mutants breakpoint

[hot zephyr]

I'm more mad that warpfire doesn't count as ranged kills seemingly. I ran a low intensity damn with my purgatus this morning trying to finish my 750 ranged dreg kills contract and got almost no kills apparently.

[steel flame]

What is funny is that bayonet triggers melee agile engagement so it buffs it's own damage by 25%

[stone canyon]

Acceptable?

[tulip kettle]

its fine

but what will hadron do to it

[long wharf]

terrifying barrage

and run-n-gun

[feral verge]

hadron will brick

[steel flame]

Crit damage, run and gun

[queen fog]

Harass mauler via comboing with rumbler, watch during ur 4th strike as he bleeds out like a blood sausage

[hot zephyr]

100% buy, but pray really hard to emperor for hadron not to brick it

[feral verge]

neat

[visual yew]

Would anyone have a gunpysker build they could share? Been wanting to try something new 🙂

[tulip kettle]

sorry

wam i in psyker chat?

why i see helbores?

[feral verge]

i have been here longer than you. silence

[tulip kettle]

lol

[long wharf]

this ain't no veteran chat

[steel flame]

You can also use mk2 helbore if you wanna shoot faster, it has the same bayonet. Dont use mk3 tho, it's bayonet is ass

[feral verge]

i am a psyker VETERAN

[long wharf]

keep your weeaboo gun bs where it belongs!

[stone canyon]

How is that even staff perk?

[steel flame]

Nice

[hot zephyr]

Veteran chat too full of Krieger cosplay. Vets come here for actual game advice from superior beings.

[long wharf]

turns out, everyone wants to talk to the ones that dig into actual game mechanics when they want actual advice

has been this way since open beta

[hot zephyr]

This is why psyker chat is for incomparable minds only

[eager mantle]

Doesn't every chat say this when another chat is off topic?

[stone canyon]

Too poor to see last blessing

[long wharf]

they may say the words, but it's simple fact that us psykers were the ones delving into game code to figure out how things really worked

first, at least

[tulip kettle]

this is PROBABLY bricked

[long wharf]

yeah, I wouldn't get your hopes up

[steel flame]

I use mk4 dueling saber with uncanny and rampage and mk2 laspistol with dumdum, infernus, unyielding and crit chance

[tulip kettle]

unless you get WN or blaze as last blessing

then its salvageable

[steel flame]

You can make it a blazing spirits trauma staff no problem

[tulip kettle]

not "no problem"

[long wharf]

not going SG for a gunpsyker build seems... suboptimal

[stone canyon]

So that Fire Trauma one?

[steel flame]

Ye

[tulip kettle]

if he gyes

yes

[long wharf]

SG was made for psykers to use guns

[tulip kettle]

you would change the sustained fire to whichever of the 2 blessings you dont have

then carapace to flak

if you dont get any of those blessings above last

[hot zephyr]

Shield fixes the problem that you will struggle vs Gunners in open spaces and tight corners and makes defensive objective play much easier on your team. It's a sacrifice I make for quick play.

[tulip kettle]

then its bricked

[long wharf]

with gunpsyker, you aren't playing defensively

[tulip kettle]

using shield on gunpsyker is just why

you move so fast and kill everything dead

no standing still in a bubble

[long wharf]

you go full bore into pulling the trigger

[tulip kettle]

if you want shield run a staff

[eager mantle]

Struggle with gunners? You have assail

[long wharf]

not even gunners, just use assail against the horde so you aren't mag dumping into the horde

[hot zephyr]

I have one version of this with scriers and one with shield.

I find I have more comfortable runs using shield

My damage is obviously less

[long wharf]

much less

[hot zephyr]

I do plenty of damage either way.

[eager mantle]

We just question any gunpsyker without scriers because it's like...you're forgoing what the gunpsyker is for. You're more just any psyker loadout with a gun

[hot zephyr]

For me honestly it plays a bit more like EP assail with combat knife and the gun is for murdering things that need to die immediately

I guess it's more of a psylot weaving build than gunpsyker tbh

[long wharf]

it's certainly an ... interesting choice

[queen fog]

I haven’t dabbled with scriers yet, how much fun y’all have with it

[hot zephyr]

It works for me. If you prefer scriers use the same build with scriers instead. Like I said I run both but I find the shield keeps my team up so I don't have to clutch and it's great for defensive situations like the carnival missions or anything with scanning objectives.

[tulip kettle]

this is my current gunpsyker scrier build

[untold verge]

i try not to get info from the chats and do my own testing

[tulip kettle]

i was using assail but honestly i just hate that ability

and i have personal reasons for not using DD

[untold verge]

assail is good to keep peril up for warp rider

[tulip kettle]

so is BB but its actually useful to kill stuff i otherwise couldnt

[untold verge]

^

[tulip kettle]

i played around with assail and switched to this

same with DD

if DD kills counted when your team killed the marked target

OR

if DD marked an enemy every second like it should with no cap on 1 unit being marked

[hot zephyr]

You should put that point in anticipation somewhere else. The extra dodges aren't needed imo. Pickup perfect timing instead

[tulip kettle]

it would be good

[long wharf]

yeah, the wording of DD's description makes me think it'll keep marking enemies up to some limit

it's really stupid that the limit is 1

[tulip kettle]

it just marks one and its trash

i played around with it

and i think the damage from charges is far more consistent

plus you have 37% reduced peril generation during scriers active

[visual yew]

appreciate you!

[tulip kettle]

and perfect timing feels useless on this build

[visual yew]

Thanks big dog!

[tulip kettle]

because my only warp damage is from BB

[hot zephyr]

It's a shame warp siphon cdr doesn't affect scriers. Would be sooooo much better if that worked

[tulip kettle]

i dont care about the extra dodge from anticipation but i want the 50% duration increase

[static needle]

Im gonna change this into uncanny/slaughterer. What perk do I keep? weakspot dmg or crit chance?

[tulip kettle]

agreed

it should work like zealots invis and similar mechanics

where it says it applies at the end of the duration

veterans*

[hot zephyr]

Weak spot damage is a bad perk. It doesn't work like you think it does. It's really giving about half to a quarter of the % you see.

[tulip kettle]

you remove weakspot damage and crit damage always

they do nothing

but honestly

the illisi is not like the deimos

its main role is to clear chaff

[long wharf]

yep, you need slaughterer on there

[tulip kettle]

that would be a godroll deimos

its fine for an illisi but agreed

you need to change shred to slaughterer

and weakspot perk to flak

[midnight jolt]

I just used the Illisi, it feels so good

[tulip kettle]

charged heavy 1

heads of hordes just pop

[hot zephyr]

I haven't really used an illusi yet. Since it clears chaff so well, what ranged weapons/staves does it pair best with?

Void?

[long wharf]

yep, Illisi is very good against the horde

[tulip kettle]

i use the illisi with voidstrike

[long wharf]

you don't even need to heavy swing, not really

[tulip kettle]

yeah but charged H1 1 shots every chaff in front of you

[long wharf]

yep, get it in when you have the room

not that it's hard to make room when you can push everything around you

[midnight jolt]

is this worth getting for Illisi?

[tulip kettle]

what do you mean?

[long wharf]

since you don't have the blessing, I'd get it just for the blessing

[tulip kettle]

youre buying the deimos to eat the blessing?

because yes

but the sword itself might be good

what are the stats?

[queen fog]

Thankfully the force swords share blessings

[tulip kettle]

EW

[midnight jolt]

bad stats, just for the blessings

[tulip kettle]

yeah get it for uncanny lol

[hot zephyr]

It's a 2500 milk bucks it's probably like 330 base stats

[long wharf]

force staves are the only "group" of weapons that aren't variants of a single archtype

[tulip kettle]

330 base can honestly be fine

[midnight jolt]

332 😂

[tulip kettle]

depends on the distribution

if it had 80 dmg 75 pen 75 fin 50 mob 0 warp res

[queen fog]

it make sense but fuck I wish at least some got shared

[long wharf]

it doesn't make sense

[tulip kettle]

it would be useable

[queen fog]

They all got their own gimmick to em

[long wharf]

and it shouldn't be the way it is currently

[tulip kettle]

force staves not sharing the blessings makes even less sense

[long wharf]

you meant the secondaries are different? sure

same with the revolvers

[hot zephyr]

Not bad honestly. I'm normally not that accurate on my guesses lol.

But yeah honestly anything that has zero or one dump stat from milk normally needs to be 3k milk bucks.

[tulip kettle]

when you consider they literally share unique blessings

[long wharf]

3/4 have the same primary attack

they all have 4 blessings in common

[queen fog]

Valid points I’ll shut up now

[long wharf]

there's literally no reason except FartShack incompetence/laziness that they aren't variants of a single archtype

[queen fog]

Been away from the actual game too long I forget simple shit

[tulip kettle]

well idk purg and surge are quite different

i would be fine with them being totally different

[queen fog]

Like all those damn ball shootin staffs able to have sustained fire on it

[midnight jolt]

now, should I do this now that I have uncanny T4?

[long wharf]

nah, they're still Force Staves

[tulip kettle]

prime example of nonsense

[tulip kettle]

this is purely personal choicew

honestly though

[long wharf]

I would replace riposte

[tulip kettle]

riposte kinda poo

its a shame its locked.

[midnight jolt]

this is my 1st decent weapon, is fine, there will be more 😂

[long wharf]

save your mats

[tulip kettle]

if it was me

[long wharf]

build a better Illisi

[tulip kettle]

i would not spend any more on this

[long wharf]

more praying to the Omnissiah

[midnight jolt]

I have been playing for 3 days, this is my 1st crafted illisi

[tulip kettle]

precisely

just keerp this one as is

for when you want a deflector sword

[long wharf]

then definitely hold onto your plasteel

[tulip kettle]

and put uncanny on better swords

[hot zephyr]

I'd do it. I found deflector to be not that great overall. The block eff boost only works vs ranged and it can cause you to form bad habits like charging Gunner packs to melee them.

[tulip kettle]

why is this a bad habit?

its what zealots and ogryns do

[queen fog]

Ooo and u started with psyker? Very cool

[hot zephyr]

We're not a zealot or ogryn

[tulip kettle]

deflector gives you the option to do it as a psyker

i think deflector is in no way bad

its a personal choice

[midnight jolt]

I have a hammer zealot and illisi psyker, I have been playing many hours in 3 days 😉

[long wharf]

I wouldn't use deflector to charge across a map at a line of gunners

[tulip kettle]

i LOVE it because with shriek i feel like im playing titanfall

[long wharf]

but there's no reason you can't use it for short distances to close gaps safely

[hot zephyr]

I didn't say it was bad. I said I personally found it not great for my playstyle

[tulip kettle]

you didnt say bad, true

you said not that great overall

and im disagreeing and saying its awesome 😄

but it is FOR SURE a personal prefertence thing

[hot zephyr]

Yeah it can be great

[tulip kettle]

i run deflector on illisi and not on deimos

[hot zephyr]

It's not for me.

[midnight jolt]

I do have bad habits, my Zealot mindset takes over me sometimes 😂

[hot zephyr]

But if it works for you go for it

[long wharf]

I run deflector on Illisi, but I use mk4 ds for stabbing things

[tulip kettle]

oh, 10 gunners are lighting me up?

[queen fog]

War breaker more like war hammer , glad u enjoyed electrified bonk

[tulip kettle]

block until max peril and shrief

its like catching the bullets andf sending them back

[midnight jolt]

oh yes, my hammer can't be posted here but yes

[hot zephyr]

My go to weapons aren't any of the power swords anyways. I prefer combat knife, combat axe, and the new chainsword

I'm weird

[tulip kettle]

i cant find a reason to run a knife on psyker

[queen fog]

Hi weird don’t worry a lot of weird rejects out there

[tulip kettle]

i got a godrolled mk , which i already dislike over the 3

mk six

[long wharf]

knife psyker is just ... wonky

[hot zephyr]

The new one, the mark 6, is bonkers good. I love it.

[tulip kettle]

i dislike the six even more than the 3

[long wharf]

you're super squishy, you don't have the stamina/toughness gain that spec'd zealots and vets get

[tulip kettle]

cant even run fast with heavy stabs

[long wharf]

so while you can run around and make things bleed, you really aren't benefitting from it in any special way

[tulip kettle]

any time i would run a knife on psyker

i think it would be better to run a duelling sword

[hot zephyr]

+3 stam curio fixes that. Plus uncanny strike is redonkulous

Yeah honestly I could run a DS4 instead

I just like being that weirdo with a knife

[tulip kettle]

duelling swords are like the psyker specific knife upgrade

but THEN

force swords are generally just straight upgrades to the DS

so we come full circle lol

[long wharf]

weelllllll

not exactly

it's much easier with the ds to take advantage of the rending

special into heavy

[hot zephyr]

I hope you are wearing your flame suit. That's a pretty unpopular opinion lol. DS4 is the Emperor's blessed weapon to this chat.

[tulip kettle]

hello, have you met my friend deimos?

whats REALLY cool about deimos and rending

is if you charge the blade and then weakspot them

it will max your stacks before the last big damage tick

so if anything its easier to max rending on the deimos than DS4, no?

the down side of force swords over duelling and knives is dodge distance

[hot zephyr]

The ds4s biggest trick is playing chicken with mutants. Most other weapons that's a death sentence.

[tulip kettle]

but the deimos does the same

its literally just a force duelling sword no?

[untold widget]

deimos and DS4 are pretty interchangable, I think Deimos requires a higher skill floor than the DS4 does, so it's harder to be as good

[feral verge]

it doesnt max stacks

it's 4 out of 5 stacks

still amazing though

[untold widget]

DS4 is lights for hordes, heavies for elites and theres no variation in the pattern so no need for any block resets or chicanery of that nature

[hot zephyr]

I really don't know. I rarely use dueling or power swords right now. I messed around a bit with an illusi recently thinking it might go well with my void strike build I'm working on but that's it really.

[tulip kettle]

true but the effect is the same

with deimos its ligght - heavy - light - heavy for single target

and heavy - light - heavy - light - for hordes

not much skill required imo

[untold widget]

oh I do push light light reset for hordes

[tulip kettle]

safer for sure

lower dps though

i only tend to push when out of dodges on FS

or if ragers asre running at me

shoving them on their ass from 10ft never gets old

[hot zephyr]

If you want low brainpower, combat axe. Literally spam lights for anything not carapace/unyielding, heavy for those two. The blessings do all the work for you

[tulip kettle]

i onlky used axes when game first came out

hated them then because i didnt understand the game i guess and never went back

is it worth?

[untold widget]

I wish I could like axes, the super low cleave just irks me. getting my weapon caught on meat is not satisfying

[near wyvern]

Not completely true, DS4 has better DPS than a Deimos. DS4 is the better Obscurus, it's perfectly in the middle of Deimos & Illisi, doing a bit less in horde clear and a bit less in single target burst but more in "combined" performance.

[hot zephyr]

Rashad with brutal momentum and your choice of decimator/headtaker and just click to victory.

[tulip kettle]

pygex sorry but io just disagree

[hot zephyr]

That's why brutal momentum is key

[echo frigate]

Hey its Pygex the psyker math guy

[tulip kettle]

and obscuras is a hot mess with no use case imo

[echo frigate]

Bros the Psykaneum numbers guy

[near wyvern]

Psykers don't really have the attack speed to make it that neat, vet and zealot can boost their attack speed to make it really brain dead.

[tulip kettle]

i know lol we spoke yesterday

i can still disagree in so far as

what is the purpose of increased dps on DS 4

[echo frigate]

I finally got shred on my illisi and I've yet to try it

[tulip kettle]

i dont think it makes any difference in any scenario

[echo frigate]

Increased dps usually means better breakpoints

[tulip kettle]

crit builds are poop on illisi in my experience

[tulip kettle]

precisely

i dont think this applies here

[hot zephyr]

Yes. 100% true. I just use it as a break from weaving APM builds like psylot.

[echo frigate]

Shred soul blaze tho does crazy dps

[distant roost]

i think you answered your question in your question

[echo frigate]

Funny numbers and math

[distant roost]

"What is the purpose of more DPS on a weapon"

[tulip kettle]

deimos already hits all the breakpoints you need

[distant roost]

the answer is DPS

[tulip kettle]

increasing DPS beyond that is pointless

[echo frigate]

Why not hit them better and without a locking special attack

[tulip kettle]

i can hit 4500 dmg to a mutant instead of 4000?

it died with 4000

who cares

[echo frigate]

DS4 does 4k alr

You need maniac

[tulip kettle]

so does deimos

[echo frigate]

And it's a way faster attack

[tulip kettle]

this is my point

[distant roost]

ds4 better cuz is non-force aka faster passive quell

[tulip kettle]

right thats at least an argument

i disagree because i would prefer to actively quell if i want

but thats a tastes thing i can get behind

same as choice of running deflector and KD

hopefully pygex knows of some hidden breakpoint that DS4 hits that deimos cant

[feral verge]

i prefer deimos

but i think ds4, in general is better

[tulip kettle]

but again WHY is it better

beyond the dodge distance and pasive quell

[feral verge]

h2 on deimos sends enemies to the ground, which can be a boon. but osmetimes that just makes it harder to hit them in the head, once on the ground

ds4 is simpler to use

[near wyvern]

Disagree with what?

1. DS4 is the most single target DPS out of the melee weapons

2. DS4 has better single target DPS than Illisi but worse horde clear

3. DS4 is better than Obscurus

4. DS4 is less burst damage than Deimos but makes up for it with the sustained DPS, mobility and horde capabilities making it have a "combined" value that is greater than a Deimos if you look at raw "stats" in a vacuum.

Even tho number 4 is true I still mostly use Combat Blade and Deimos cause when I want for mobility I go all the way and if I don't I want to one shot mutants.

[feral verge]

heavy stab heavy stab heavy stab enemy dead for ds4

[dapper shadow]

anyone has a non fire trauma force build that focuses more on direct damage and support?

[feral verge]

for deimos is light stab heavy stab, block cancel, light stab enemy dead

[echo frigate]

Faster attack speed, a special attack that doesn't lock you in an animation, and hits the same break points

[echo frigate]

Yes

Hold up

[tulip kettle]

i dont disagree with any of this

excedpt point 4

i dont think it "makes up for it"

and i completely agree with your last sentance

combat blade if you want the mobility of DS and deimos if you want the damage

and i dont see why having higher DPS than a weapon that already instakills nearly everything is important

[ionic needle]

I prefer DS4 over Deimons because I don't have to activate it to do that ridiculous damage, it has better mobility and it's better at handling hordes

[tulip kettle]

i think illisi is for hordes and general use and deimos is just an upgraded DS niche weapon that hits the same breakpoints

[feral verge]

you dont need to activate deimos to do big damage

[tulip kettle]

yup true

[feral verge]

light 1, heavy 2 does massive daamge

you almost never activate deimos

[ionic needle]

I guess you're taling about H2 then?

[plucky flax]

Ds4 deimos illisi knife all gud use them all

[ionic needle]

So it's still more annoying than just stabbing

[feral verge]

not just heavy 2

light 1 heavy 2 combo

[tulip kettle]

but your L1 is also a heavy stab effectively

so yeah you l1 - h2 repeating

the 1-2 combo will knock down a crusher and take over half its HP

[feral verge]

560 + 1060 = 1620

big damage

without activating

[near wyvern]

I used it for twins hard mode, it definitely makes up for it. Had just enough mobility to spring attack slide through mines and while you are banging the boss "oh a crusher" two pokes and gone

[midnight jolt]

am I a heretic because I use a handcanon when I need to deal with snipers and the like? otherwise all I use is assail

[tulip kettle]

okay i like that

the mobility vbs the gasa grenades over the force sword is probably very useful

[feral verge]

for some it's annoying, for others it's fun because it's more involved

[long wharf]

force swords lost their overwhelming advantage when they lost infinite dodges

[opaque charm]

Assail can kill Snipers up to 60 meters. Using Assail as your primary and a revolver to deal with armor is a good way to roll imo

[near wyvern]

DS4 is a lot more efficient for clearing crusher packs than a Deimos. Since the infinite dodge nerf, DS4 is more DPS and mobility but less burst compared to Deimos.

[hot zephyr]

I actually noticed something interesting yesterday in psykanium that the new mark 13 chainsword with blood letter 4 on it will special+heavy oneshot a mutant, even in the back. No other perks or buffs needed.

[tulip kettle]

is it?

[ionic needle]

Sure, but I was talking about my preference, not everyone elsees

[tulip kettle]

the way i see it the deimos lets me take half a crushers HP and knock it down for 3 seconds

once every 1.2 seconds

[near wyvern]

Yes cause Deimos H2 throws them around making it harder to follow up and DS4 two heavies come out faster than two L1H2 strings from a Deimos.

[tulip kettle]

dont i need to hit the crusher like 5 times with ds to kill it?

[opaque charm]

Ds4 can get uncanny strikes

[ionic sorrel]

two or three headshots is usually enough

[tulip kettle]

i guess i used a trash sword then

but still

im just seeing crushers running at me

[feral verge]

with ds4, you can keep crusher stun locked

without jarringly throwing it into the ground

heavy, specia lstab, heavy, special stab

[tulip kettle]

oh with the heavy - special - heavy combo?

i SEE

i was wondering basicalyy how not to die

its all well and good killing them slightly fgaster

but i have never been able to dodge crusher overheads in a row

my six key doesnt work.

[opaque charm]

Imo meleeing with a Crusher pack is just asking for trouble

[tulip kettle]

sometimes things get wild

[near wyvern]

Slap uncanny 4, shred 4 and +carapace on it and be amazed. Don't even need the shred but helps with the first one. Once you have the first crusher down the rest will fall in two heavies.

And you can do heavy special strings if you need to keep them staggered, which results in only slightly less DPS, still more than Deimos against crushers. And that special also stacks shred & uncanny...

[hot zephyr]

I mean, that's the point of a crusher pack. You can't really kill crushers at range easily. Their gameplan mechanic purpose is to force the party to at least partially go into melee

[near wyvern]

Just dodge 😂

[tulip kettle]

vet plasma gun go brrrrr

yeah but when it sends 8 at you

you run out of dodges

and cant block

[opaque charm]

I run Assail for soft targets and fanning revolver for crushers/maulers

It's much safer

[feral verge]

i melee crushers with ds4

[tulip kettle]

i melee them with deimos and feel safe

i couldnt do so with the DS

[feral verge]

with trauma i just send them to the ground with one blast, then clean them up with deimos

[opaque charm]

That works until you get smooshed

[tulip kettle]

now maybe i can

[hot zephyr]

I'm similar. I just kill all the trash around the crusher(s) with assail and let a teammate tank it so I can backstab it with my knife.

Most of my builds I optimize around other more numerous/common enemies. Even on auric damn crusher packs aren't particularly common.

[opaque charm]

Hmm knife plus DD bonuses

Might b pretty sexy

[feral verge]

harder than ds4 and deimos lol

ds4 and deimos have waaay more range

[hot zephyr]

Yeah. Mark 6 is a monster. Imo it kinda forces you to run a Stam curio but it's fun

[opaque charm]

Yeah but I'm barely using melee in the first place since Assail and Fanning Revolver can kill everything anyway

Knife is just style points at this point

[hot zephyr]

Honestly this is my position. Being the psycho showing up with a tiny knife in the cutscene while everyone else has huge weapons makes me laugh

[tulip kettle]

i queue into a pug see three daggers 2 zealots and a vet

and know immediately im gonna have a bad time

[opaque charm]

Hmmmm. But what blessings are good on knife? Uncanny Strike = harder hitting Soulblaze... Bleed + Mercy Killer would become insane from DD stacks...

[near wyvern]

@tulip kettle DS specials also stop charging mutants on head hits

[long wharf]

not if you run ds and keep up with them

[tulip kettle]

but the deimos just 1 shots them

[long wharf]

you don't even need to ds special a charging mutant

just heavy stab them in the face

60% of the time, it works every time

[tulip kettle]

then nobody kills the bulwarks or crushers or maulers

we make it to the first lift

we get off at the other end

and everyone dies

[opaque charm]

DS is great, but it fails in the "Drip" aspect, it looks dumb 😭

[near wyvern]

Yes not as glorious as one and done but you can still stop them on their tracks and prevent them from charging in the team and finish it up with two stabs

[long wharf]

you lose points for even typing "drip"

[opaque charm]

Drip or drown

[tulip kettle]

do all these dagger invis runners not understand that all the enemies they run past and trigger donbt despawn

[hot zephyr]

Go Crit build with scriers for rampage mode.

Take the finesse bonus too

[tulip kettle]

and honestly after all this discussion ive come to the conclusion the only reason to run DS is for the drip

and very niche use case vs twins

it has unmistakenly cool animations and poses

[long wharf]

I actually dislike the poses

[hot zephyr]

The only reason to do anything is for the luls. At a certain point meme builds add to the challenge.

[long wharf]

the only reason I use the ds is to stab things in the face

[tulip kettle]

i stab things with deimos

[long wharf]

great

I dodge and slide farther with the ds than the deimos

[tulip kettle]

😄

[long wharf]

I'm not all-about-the-speed, but it sure is nice to have

[steel flame]

@feral verge how is stabby stab stab working?

[west fjord]

the push on the deimos is great though

one thing it has going for it

[hot zephyr]

We seem to all agree that stabbing heretics is fun.

[near wyvern]

DS is a good option with something like the purgatus staff. Experienced users should use Knife 6 IMO if not going for Deimos but still, its such a nice all-around solution and not very far behind the mobility of the knife. However in return it has a lot more DPS.

[hot zephyr]

[rich jolt]

Man purg feels so awkward to build. Only two of its blessings actually do much for the weapon

Only room for error is perks

Needs better blessings

[hot zephyr]

Purgatus is such an all-arounder when built with Nexus/Flurry tho. You have such a wide variety of choice in both blitz and melee weapon to pair with it since it solves like 85% of problems by burning them.

[rich jolt]

Definitely thats why i haven't given up on getting a groll

Thing is so much fun

[near wyvern]

But it's nice that there exists a staff that is usable at a bit lower levels than the rest and doesn't take an ungodly roll to get a really good one

Especially when the gameplay with it is also so beginner friendly

The only thing to improve there is to learn how to quell cancel and sprint slide QC, that's it

[rich jolt]

Still would be nice to get some more blessings. Very little room for error

[stone canyon]

Been doing just these past 4 missions or so, starting from pretty much 0

Brainburst is so awkward as most things die before you can get it loaded

[steep estuary]

Good day to be a psyker

[rich jolt]

Run mine with caxe with assail + shield. Took ep but idk how good that is.

[near wyvern]

Flame Trauma heaven

[stone canyon]

Thanks for Mael tip, gonna go burst some specials there

[rich jolt]

Lol i did that earlier with a crowd control build and got my ass kicked. Needed a better carapace weapon

[near wyvern]

EP with assails eats soft elite packs for breakfast, if you like caxe you should try DS4, it's just better for Psykers

[idle bay]

3 other teammates usually clueless ones who did not read the descrip[tion and pew-pew all ammo in first engagement 🙂

[near wyvern]

@rich jolt check out The Psyker Atheneum, example builds are there at the end, grab one and modify to your likings, all have been tested to work at Auric level

[rich jolt]

I prefer making my own builds. Thanks for the advice regardless

[idle bay]

In your hands any build will work on Auric to be honest 🙂 I watched your videos

[hot zephyr]

I run a Rashad Caxe with brutal momentum, decimator and unyielding for overcooking bosses with my purgatus. It's fun to fanatically click on things.

[untold verge]

lemme see good trauma talents build

[near wyvern]

Shhh

[near wyvern]

The TF2 Pyro enjoyer

[feral verge]

@steel flame I haven't tried it in a match yet. I used it in the psykhanium though, and found myself laughing at the damage

[steel flame]

The damage is ludicrous

[feral verge]

Let staff bonk do that much

Pls fat shark

[near wyvern]

@idle bay my favourite one tho is pulling it off with the new revolver by not playing with it

[idle bay]

I still using your surge-smite-prelious combustion build - it's my "comfort zone build" that disables my desire to try other builds 🙂

with some minor tweaks

Like fire-safety in case of close poximity to DH

[near wyvern]

It's a cozy one for sure

[hot zephyr]

I literally call it the fireman build.

And say voice lines from StarCraft firebats in voice chat while playing

[flint plover]

Need a light?

[analog agate]

In all cases you think knife 6 is better than DS?

Or only for purg?

[midnight jolt]

is there a website I can put my build and paste it here see opinions?

is this too bad?

[analog agate]

You want atleast a 76% burn and then high cloud radius

dmg doesn't matter as much

[hot zephyr]

Cloud and burn are your important stats. Ideally you want as high as possible in those. Damage is the least important because your real damage comes from the soulblaze debuff

[wise spire]

Best way to build the Mk 5 Duelling Sword? Is it the same as the Mk 4? I know the Mk 4 is the best but I just got a Mk 5 with 80 Damage, Finesse, and Penetration and 78 Mobility. It's something different I wanna try out.

[ionic needle]

Alright guys, which one?

[steel flame]

Fire frenzy

Death spitter is a worse version

[wise spire]

Number 2 for sure. Tier 4 Dumdum and Deathspitter is way better and 25% Flak and Maniacs are better perks. Higher Stopping Power is icing on the cake.

[near wyvern]

Knife 6 is better than DS4 only for mobility and defense. DS4 is only slightly behind in mobility but miles ahead in DPS.

[steel flame]

They have comparable horde clear

[analog agate]

Gotcha

[midnight jolt]

is any of the these blessings good for Illisi?

Got that drop

[wet compass]

Shout out to minmaxxers. What do you guys this about those guns?

[thick valley]

54% finesse RIP

[hot zephyr]

You can't share blessings across weapon types.

[midnight jolt]

that is true, brainfart ... 😂

[near wyvern]

I don't recall which one is it but basically if you are bringing in a duelling sword it should be the Mk4 for the double poke heavy string which is able to pull off the most raw single target DPS out of all our melee options.

They all share the mobility, one mark has a bit better light spam against horde than Mk 4 but I don't recall which one. One mark had stab and then vertical slash heavies which is somewhat usable as you can special heavy to use only the stabs at a bit lesser rate. The one with two vertical slashes is currently not good.

Even then if you got a good roll on a weapon that is currently not good, don't trash it, bank it, you never know what the next patch brings with it.

[rare arrow]

Also, just because a weapon isn’t meta doesn’t mean it’s not good

Your individual skill is far more important

[wet compass]

Do you know what it changes?

[wise spire]

Alright thanks. Unfortunately the one I got this godroll on is the Mk 5 which has the double overhead slash. I'll keep it for know and probably run it a few times just for something different.

[harsh urchin]

maniac

perks are more important

than the second blessing

[queen fog]

The inspect button:

https://tenor.com/view/mercy-overwatch-come-here-gif-14280244

[wet compass]

Didn't ask you. Asked him....

[queen fog]

I know, is a open chat my friend

This is bound to happen

[steel flame]

Headshot, crit damage and attack speed

[wet compass]

Maybe you know what it changes?

[midnight jolt]

He just wanted you to find the boobs in the weapon, that's all 😉

[wet compass]

And by how much?

[untold verge]

vit chill

[queen fog]

Yur a little bit of guidance can go a long way

Saves having to ask y’know?

[queen fog]

Not off the top of my head which is why I recommend the inspect button

[steel flame]

If you just inspect the weapon you can see the stat ranges

[wet compass]

The difference is 0.2% weak spot power and 2% attack speed...... Sooooooo.....

[thick valley]

Yea weakspot and crit multiplier. Inspect the weapon for a breakdown.

[valid scaffold]

Any ideas what I should change on this Deimos? Kinda afraid of bricking it tbh. Not sure If I should roll off Executor or not.

[wet compass]

0.2% and 2%=RIP?))))

[valid scaffold]

Feels godly in the psykanium

[thick valley]

So good

[thick valley]

Get uncanny 4

[wet compass]

Came for a tips. Got fucking memes and not even funny ones....

[hot zephyr]

Honestly just leave as is. It's good enough.

[spiral minnow]

can smite crit?

[valid scaffold]

Slaughterer not worth on Deimos?

[thick valley]

Not joking. The power of dueling sword comes from finesse

[flint plover]

many don't take it because they don't use the deimos as a horde clear weapon

[hot zephyr]

Uncanny 4 not necessary. 3 or 4 will both get you to rending cap

[wet compass]

0.2% and 2%=RIP?))))

[thick valley]

Good to know

[valid scaffold]

Ill just keep it as is then to keep the blessings open I only use it with Purg

[wet compass]

If it was 10% vs 80 % when it would have been a valid point. I am interested in blessings I got and perks.

[valid scaffold]

So no horde clear really

[thick valley]

If you get to a spawn location, the weakspot power increase will cleave through

[valid scaffold]

just spam l1h2?

[thick valley]

For the horde, just spam light

[willow hazel]

It's ~3.6% attack speed and ~20% crit weakspot damage

Not bricked, but it is noticable

[thick valley]

you should try changing maniac to unyielding and try monster slaying

[valid scaffold]

Originally changed it to that but I couldnt l1h2 ragers so went with maniac

I actually felt competent against beast of nurgle with it though

[wise spire]

Would the Devil's Claw Mk4 be a good melee for a Scrier's Gaze/Disrupt Destiny build? I know from Vet experience that the Devil's Claw really really likes Finesse and Crit bonuses.

[ionic needle]

just tried the 511 one and it felt a lot worse, so sticking to the other one

[weak bay]

That's what I use personally and I've really liked it

It depends on your ranged I think though. If you're using Columnus IAG or a similar really good horde clear you might want a dueling sword instead

I use Vraks VII so the Devil Claw is a good compliment

[wise spire]

Yeah I love the Devil's Claw. I was thinking of Rampage and Shred for Blessings with Flak and maybe Crit Chance as Perks.

[tulip kettle]

devils claw has got me out of some nutty situations tbh

if u have a +3 stam curio it can be worth running

[weak bay]

Rampage good for sure but Shred maybe not 100% needed with how much crit you'll be running around with

I think I'm running Rampage and Wrath on mine rn

Flak and Unarmored

[tulip kettle]

i think maniac is essential on it no?

[weak bay]

Crit chance also maybe not worth refining for, same reason of you'll have a lot of crit

[tulip kettle]

flak and maniac?

for the juicy parries vs ragers

[weak bay]

That's probably ideal yeah just saying what I have on mine

Didn't have a choice

[tulip kettle]

fair

[wise spire]

But hear me out... more Crit. Honestly Savage Sweep or Wrath might be better but getting close to 100% Crit sounds fun.

[weak bay]

Gonna get a new one at some point

Yeah if you roll one and it has crit I wouldn't replace unless you get super lucky and have a free refine

[stone canyon]

So close

[weak bay]

But the 5% crit vs +25% dmg vs Flak or Maniac or even Unarmored, the raw dmg will be a lot better

[stone canyon]

3 missions completed and all mine

[wise spire]

Plus more Crit equals more Toughness Regen as if Psyker needed more.

[tulip kettle]

nice dude

i still havent done MM

[weak bay]

Honestly Trauma staff crit build with Mettle and Warp attack toughness is comical

You get 5% toughness for every dude you crit

• 7.5% on every kill

So funny

[stone canyon]

So you can just stand in horde and bomb your feet?

[wise spire]

I love the Trauma Staff. Spam half charged blasts at your feet and you can borderline ignore your melee weapon lol.

[stone canyon]

Whats fastest mission to run?

Need 3 done quick

[mossy surge]

Skip enabled twins

[digital narwhal]

Bro pulled the "I didn't ask you" in a public space

[flint plover]

lol

[zinc phoenix]

Then you roll nurgle blessing in maelstrom and are full of tears when green tint means “I don’t get fucking staggered casual”

Every time I forget to check for nurgle blessing I mald

[queen fog]

https://tenor.com/view/dirty-docks-shawty-triflin-shawty-triflin-she-gif-22455514

Glad he found his answer but god damn

[harsh urchin]

funny thing is the guy he asked

also told him to use inspect

LOL

[queen fog]

Is a very good method to know what it do

[digital narwhal]

Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day
Teach a man to fish and he'll say he didn't ask you

[harsh urchin]

man is hungry

[noble copper]

which one to upgrade or should i just keep looking?

[digital narwhal]

The first one