psyker-class

[outer vessel]

I look forward to the next 10 with run n gun

[idle bay]

You need to complain in Discord or on Forums - it affects RNG

right before next crafting roll

[outer vessel]

Very true and real

[idle bay]

It works.. if you believe is random bulshit 🙂

[plucky flax]

Nice warp resist.

[idle bay]

549 out of possible 550 rating on item.... sigh

[idle bay]

I can stroke this sword for whole elevator ride without exploding!

[plucky flax]

I want one with high resist too

I want to stroke.

[idle bay]

11.15% Peril per stroke

[half iron]

real psykers discuss edging strats

[idle bay]

7.15% peril per stroke on 6 warp charges with -peril node

Game does not allow me to roll a perfect Nomanus staff... so all i have left to do is to discusssword'sstroking

sobs

[paper loom]

i love getting a fantastic base item for it to get bricked

[half iron]

game allowed me to roll a decent force sword since i’m venturing out of the peaklissi

thanks hadron for not bricking one(1) item. now for the next 25 rolls to get bricked

[idle bay]

There was not a SINGLE 380 base Nomanus staff for me 🙂 zero for 1025 hours

[half iron]

i know it’s over if i roll +sprint

[fickle swallow]

You'd probably want flak damage on surge staff since it targets torso only now

Does anyone know how to use the breakpoint calculator for surge staff? I can't have it display the correct RMB attack damage for some reason

[idle bay]

Most of the time you get whatever Hardon rolls you for + Damage on Surge staff. Because 3 other slofs are for Warp Nexus, Warp Flurry and +5% crit.

You can even have + Sprint there instead of damage.. because other perk was + damage vs poxwalkers

[fickle swallow]

I'd pick flak damage over crit chance since I think it guarantees one-shotting certain enemies without crit

[glossy ember]

flak too important on surge staff

[sly dawn]

me when i get +sprint and +unarmored damage

[glossy ember]

Flak > elite/crit rate/unyielding/carapace/maniac > w/e else

for surge staff

[fickle swallow]

The +25% damage perks on weapons are too important since they are a separate damage multiplier

[harsh urchin]

crit chance is pretty ok on certain weapons/builds

but v pointless on surge

since you have a bunch already from nexus and being a psyker

it's also like a 1.25x crit multiplier

so 5% crit chance is a bit suboptimal

[glossy ember]

it's usable if it ends up being your locked perk at least

and it's a pick that works against all targets too

[paper loom]

this is depressing , is it screwed?

[urban sandal]

not yet, all depends on 2nd blessing

[fickle swallow]

No, surge staff actually has very high crit damage multiplier. Crit chance is still very important. It's just not as good as flak damage especially when it now targets torso only

On my 71% crit bonus surge staff it's x1.57, lowered on flak and carapace

Wait I just find that it's lowered on flak and carapace because the Crit Bonus stat doesn't apply to flak and carapace targets. Wtf, why

[harsh urchin]

random google image search:

417 to 480

the ratios should be correct, regardless of the stats

click secondary action

[fickle swallow]

This is my surge staff

[fickle swallow]

Yep just realized that

[harsh urchin]

650->850 on flak

[fickle swallow]

It's x1.57 on targets other than flak and carapace, because Crit Bonus stat doesn't apply to them which I just realized

[harsh urchin]

yeah but the only number that matters is flak

are you gonna be surging poxwalkers

[fickle swallow]

No, but crit on unyielding and maniac is still important

[paper loom]

what blessing is optimal?

[untold niche]

game takes 5 years to load and still wants me to "Press [space] to continue"

[half iron]

do you need to load your space button

[untold niche]

yep

i mean

its the only game that does that
press space to continue then laod for another 5 years

why even have that

any other game i load in, its the main menu

i think apex also does it iirc but that game doesn't take 5 years to load

[sage rune]

🙃

[idle bay]

Hadron crafted it with her wooden peg leg for sure.

[glossy ember]

i mean if you can live without warp flurry...

[hasty breach]

what, does it cap or something?

[tacit stump]

is it just me or does the maccabian swords sometimes deflect single bullets

[near wyvern]

when you take the fresh thirties on a field trip

[near wyvern]

the rolls are terrifying indeed

[hasty breach]

im rly confused what enemies bounce off stun wall

ogryns seem immune?

[true cobalt]

i have 2 surge staffs

[plucky flax]

Zealot chat bullied me for playing bleed knife again.

[formal harness]

@plucky flax we need to bully them back

[sour bison]

is there any reason to use flack on trauma?

[plucky flax]

Idk what they smoking but it's so good on zealot. They are like "No never pick bleed blessing on knife".

[formal harness]

lmao, ok

[glossy solstice]

yup, the loading times are obscene for a modern game, but modding is good in that it fixes a lot of what FS has failed to do. Logmein is a mod that bypasses the intro vids and spacebar and autoloads your last logged in character. Darkcache, caches the morningstar, which is what takes eons to load. Now if you are running a min spec machine in terms of sys mem and you run all kinds of background aps you may not want to run this with all the options active. But it does make everything load much much faster.

[idle bay]

I thought that bleed knife is Zealot sacred tradition. No the cause for bullying...

[summer prairie]

Making a windows defender exception for darktide also seems to cut at least the initial load by up to 20s

[idle bay]

Purge that heretical software.

[glossy solstice]

Awesome, I will check that out, thanks.

[olive ember]

wait so you weren't baiting

[plucky flax]

No wtf.

Bleed is genuine so good that FS had to nerf it.

[long wharf]

Happy New Year, siblings

[olive ember]

happy new year

[plucky flax]

It's still strong though. Especially on zealot with fast attack speed and high crit chance.

[olive ember]

I wouldn't know

[ornate hamlet]

good times

[olive ember]

I only use knife for the zoomies when I wanna meme

[ornate hamlet]

when every zealot and veteran was a crackhead who knifed you like you were in a back alley

[hasty breach]

nobody knows what bounces off shield wall? i thought it would stagger ragers and things but i guess it doesnt affect elites?

only specialists (that are all at range anyway)?

[ornate hamlet]

honestly, nerf was deserved anyway
knife is kind of incentivizing people to play a toxic playstyle

[plucky flax]

Darktide but all the rejects are from the UK.

[ornate hamlet]

good stuff

[untold niche]

yo thanks for the heads up!

[plucky flax]

Their optimisation is so bad.

I crash very often on good hardwares.

[thorny quest]

Just downloaded the Darkcache since I never heard of it. Thanks for that

[glossy solstice]

I just tested the suggesstion to add Darktide to the windows defender virus exclusion list, I added both the .exe, and the entire folder. Confirmed, it does increase the load speed notifbly. On first load before Darkcache has loaded.

I do not crash too often, knock on wood and wispers prays to the empra, but I do get weird issues when AMD decides to update drivers. I am like 3 versions behind right now.

[olive ember]

specialists get a guaranteed chance but damages the wall when they bounce off it, everything else iirc is a 10% chance or wte

[shy willow]

just carried a heresy high int

level 24 psyker

devil's claw is my best friend

[maiden citrus]

I Just got hard carried in dam by a gun psyker god dam

[olive ember]

gun psykers either are rly bad or rly good from my experience

[long wharf]

they work well as long as they get fed ammo

[paper loom]

Is it me or only fun gun is revolver

Everything else feels so weak

[long wharf]

the original revolver is a bit OP

[paper loom]

I love 2 shotting maulers

I got a really nice heavy las pistol and it feels like a nerf gun in comparison

[plucky flax]

Revolver and columbus iag are the 2 best guns in the game right now.

Well plasma too but it's veteran exclusive.

I suppose flamer is also a 'gun'.

Very short range gun.

[long wharf]

flamer used to be better

or rather, fire used to be better

[plucky flax]

Yeah and it used to have more ammo too.

It's still good now though for mixed horde + chastise.

[long wharf]

FartShack is why we can't have nice things

[plucky flax]

Tru but I don't like playing ogryn.

Big man is so slow.

[idle bay]

Give ogryns a Ripper Gun with line feed and Massive Backpacj filled with ammo for it.

[strong gulch]

Flak is what most of the higher value enemies have, and trauma RMB hits targets where they have flak.

So yes.

[plucky flax]

Flak best perk for trauma and purga.

The 2 staff that can only hit torso.

Oh surge too.

Torso gaming.

[eager mantle]

Gotta love when Hadron gives you quell on weakspot hit on trauma...

[vestal fulcrum]

Value from venting with light attacks

[eager mantle]

Sustained fire and quell on weakspot. LMB gaming

Or the 2 shots on crit

[strong gulch]

LMB mains

If only surge could get surge. Really bump up that LMB gaming.

[long wharf]

FartShack really needs to just make all the staves variants of a single archtype so they share blessings

[vestal fulcrum]

2x trauma secondary attack with Surge could be awesome

[strong gulch]

if only

[vestal fulcrum]

How do you justify Purgatus with Blazing Spirit

[long wharf]

Space Warp Magic

[strong gulch]

bigger SB cap

[long wharf]

yeah

[strong gulch]

I would hope

[long wharf]

it'd immediately become a required blessing for purge

[vestal fulcrum]

It would frankly be quite obscene

But then

What would Surge do on Purgatus?

[long wharf]

knowing FartShack, it'd release with a bug that would reduce purge's SB stack cap to the blessing's

[strong gulch]

Quadruple SB stacks applied 🙏

[long wharf]

couldn't, surge attack isn't a crit

but it'd be a third stack of SB on that attack

[strong gulch]

oh true. 3 stacks then

[long wharf]

but then surge staff could finaly blazing spirit

or rending shockwave

[eager mantle]

More

[long wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/burn-elmo-pyro-burn-it-down-ashes-gif-5632946

someone needs to create a version of that with the warpfire coloring

and then we need that as a unique emoji and reaction for this channel

[strong gulch]

This being a cake always makes me laugh.

[sullen bobcat]

Is everything cake?

I'm losing my grip on reality because it's all cake

AAAAAAAA

[glossy ember]

dang, those are good staves

[near radish]

This is Tzeentch's doing!

[glossy ember]

we take those I guess.

i really hoped I'd roll shred IV

or uncanny IV at least since they're gonna nerf it eventually

[strong gulch]

I mean, we all got cakes. 🍑

[flint plover]

can confirm, am cake baker. am cake itself.

[long wharf]

If a cake baker is cake, what cake cake baker bakes cakes of cakes baking cakes

[hasty breach]

nice try

[long wharf]

wasn't easy

[hasty breach]

also doesnt make sense

[long wharf]

sure it does

[hasty breach]

maybe only to you

[long wharf]

maybe English isn't your first language?

[strong gulch]

idk wtf I'm doing, but here is this

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1004447866250613048/1191419217585639574/ezgif.com-instagif.gif?ex=65a55e9c&is=6592e99c&hm=9dff6fae7016b5dfd1a305b3dc8ec6a782d252d66ea36e6c28f10c17fde45ae2&

[long wharf]

too blue, and Elmo shouldn't be blue

but still, better than I could have done

[strong gulch]

it is, but it is what it is

[hasty breach]

you're kinda an ass, arent you

[long wharf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hasty breach]

sorry, a cake

[strong gulch]

probably a nintendo or sesame street cake cake baker

[long wharf]

that's extra funny, because the kids these days say "cake" to mean "has an ass"

[strong gulch]

yee

[long wharf]

meanwhile, lunch today is some italian dry salami and cream soda

[pale scarab]

A joke is like a frog, if you vivisect it, it dies

[long wharf]

so the trick is to put it in a pot of cold water and slowly turn the heat up?

[pale scarab]

That also kills the frog

[long wharf]

only at the end

[strong gulch]

poor potato fairy

https://youtube.com/shorts/BEzuIlrmeR8?si=h9jprv4DXtWHe351

[long wharf]

I am not better off having seen that

you are fired

[glossy ember]

as suggested before i tried upping my sensitivity to avoid wrist pain. it's so difficult getting used to it

[strong gulch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1004447866250613048/1191419217585639574/ezgif.com-instagif.gif?ex=65a55e9c&is=6592e99c&hm=9dff6fae7016b5dfd1a305b3dc8ec6a782d252d66ea36e6c28f10c17fde45ae2&

[glossy ember]

went from 0.8 to 1.5

[long wharf]

what kind of wrist pain?

from shuffling the mouse or from resting on the desk?

[glossy ember]

by playing darktide (or doing something else for too long)

[long wharf]

playing a game shouldn't be hurting your wrist

[wraith sparrow]

hey can someone explain the blessed by fate penance for me?

[glossy ember]

yeah idk why darktide does

it's the only fps where i hurt

or game really

so i play it a lot less now

i do one match and that's it for at least a day

[long wharf]

sounds like you're Doing It Very Wrong(tm)

I'm on a computer for most of my days

I pay close attention to my posture and do things like take a short break to stretch and shake out my hands, avoid pushing down with my wrist

gotta take care of yourself

[glossy ember]

yeah

[strong gulch]

Might be pressure from pushing down with intense darktide sessions.

[glossy ember]

i'm probably not doing it right

[glossy ember]

i take care of my posture but i'm guilty of not taking breaks or stretching or doing hand exercises

[long wharf]

changing your DPI or sensitivity can help if you're doing too much mouse shuffling or you find yourself gripping your mouse really tightly to get finer control over moving it

but it's not a cure-all

[strong gulch]

But also some of us have connective tissue, joint, and chronic or disability issues that isn't fixed by stretching.

[long wharf]

also true

you gotta do what's best for you

or at the very least, what you can

[strong gulch]

Still, movement is usually good.

[glossy ember]

definitely

[glossy ember]

it's just weird this only ever happened in darktide

oh and ultrakill but that was like, after a 2 hour session

[long wharf]

could be you get really into it with Darktide, so you tense up more than you normally do

[glossy ember]

refunded the game after that cause i couldn't handle it at all lmao

[strong gulch]

poor hands and wrists

[long wharf]

gotta pay attention to your body

[glossy ember]

ye

[long wharf]

this ain't the 41st millenium - you only get the one body

[glossy ember]

i mean u right

it's just that idk how to make it better

i did check stuff

even with a doctor

cuz i thought it was weird

but he also told me it was posture mainly

tbh my chair ain't that good but it does have elbow rests

so my arm should be in a good pose

maybe my desk too low

[junior linden]

starting to get the hang of this class, top damaged but didnt top score overall

[long wharf]

it could be any number things about your setup/posture

[glossy ember]

ye..

[long wharf]

if your desk is too low, you end up leaning on your wrists

[junior linden]

mhm

[long wharf]

if your arm rests are too low, you aren't supporting your shoulder

and everybody's body proportions are different

so there's no magic bullet "do this" fix

[plucky flax]

Top plasteels.

[long wharf]

not seeing coherency% there

also, it's very easy to get top damage when you focus on the horde

[junior linden]

I'm a goddamn loot goblin when it comes to mats so it's prob why I never end up getting top score

[ornate hamlet]

I mean

The scoring system is some made-up thing by one dude

[junior linden]

True, true

[plucky flax]

You can get plasteels and do some damage with the knife.

Zoom zoom.

[ornate hamlet]

Not like the guy on your left was some kind of defense god because he blocked 7 attacks

[junior linden]

It's still a fun metric to self improve though

[long wharf]

that scoreboard hurts to look at

[plucky flax]

Just look plasteels.

Most important stat.

[junior linden]

Me love plasteel

Yummy

Knife is cool but I just really like my dueling sword it just feels nice

Plus Zealot chat bullied me when I said I liked knife

[ornate hamlet]

People don't understand the magic

[flint plover]

Christ did your entire team just ignore all pickups

[long wharf]

or did he run to each container, regardless of whether teammates were there or not, to pick up everything himself as much as possible

[long wharf]

zealot chat is a bunch of weebs, ignore them

[strong gulch]

oh lol. wrong chat

[long wharf]

yup

[plucky flax]

Well I only picked up 3 ammo.

So I'm not smashing e on every containers.

[plucky flax]

Typical pub experience for me.

[austere warren]

Anyone know what Soulstealer fully interacts with? Guessing everything that's a force sword/staff and psyker abilities are considered warp attacks

Still leveling but eventually I want to do like a peril dmg kind of a build.

Well peril interaction psyker.

toughness on peril gen, quell, warp utility for better decreased charge times, bonuses to chained casting from staves and then whatever else.

me want me magical magic to magick.

[plucky flax]

Anything that generate peril.

So force sword special attacks, force staff left and right click (not special bonk), and venting shriek.

Soulblaze burn is also warp attack.

[near radish]

My Beloved wishes everyone a Happy New Year!

[austere warren]

Love the one soulblaze talent that lets it spread.

[long wharf]

it's not quite as good as you think it is

[austere warren]

dunno its range at higher difficulties but it's fun to look at.

lol

[long wharf]

unless you already understand that it never distributes more than 4 stacks, and never pushes another enemy's stacks above 4

the wording of Wildfire is misleading

[plucky flax]

It's good I can win with it so you can too.

[mossy surge]

Said the top 10%

god, being kicked while being the one to collect 500+ plasteel is pain

[long wharf]

why were you kicked?

[mossy surge]

running around collecting plasteel

not being mean, nor saying anything

just collecting

[long wharf]

I've never seen someone kicked for collecting mats

[mossy surge]

also did obj.

they were instantly filled up, when i checked socials

so yeqa

it hurts

[long wharf]

that means you weren't kicked for collecting

you were kicked so that the other three could get a friend in at the end

an even shittier reason

[mossy surge]

plus i did most of the dmg

in a missions that lasted 30+min

at the last event too

[long wharf]

best you can do is block the three players

[mossy surge]

already did

[plucky flax]

My block list is full.

Pls give 5000+ spaces in block list.

[sly dawn]

you can block people?

[long wharf]

yep

[sly dawn]

man i forget this game has a entire like
social feature thing

only like, today did i actually accept my friends "friend request" ingame
cuz i been using steam to join him so far

[flint plover]

Same..

It's a pita to have to go in and delete old ones to add new ones

need a mod to extend the block list smh

[plucky flax]

[fluid needle]

Just copped this. Any good?

[glossy ember]

keep it until you get a staff that has either warp flurry 4 or warp nexus 4, then grab both of those blessings

[hasty breach]

the charge rate might be too low to keep it forever, but im sure you could run around with it and have success, sure. put flak damage on it. there seems to be debate on the 4th one, apparently

[meager trail]

elites on staves any good or stick to % to enemy type

[long wharf]

prefer % to enemy type where you can

for the enemy types that matter for that staff

[long wharf]

no debate - crit chance

[hasty breach]

dude legit a few hours ago people were trying to debunk this in this channel

i replied to it with that response

[long wharf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

the only time surge doesn't feel bad is when it's critting

[hasty breach]

for visibility -- Dis thinks crit useless on surge, boodendorf things it's "usable... at least"... etc etc

i was surprised

[long wharf]

yeah, I hard disagree with Dis (again) on that

warp nexus at max peril gets you an additional 20% crit chance

an additional 5% crit isn't nothing

you want it to crit as much as possible, and since it crits more than other staves, you benefit from leaning into it

[hasty breach]

i think the debate turned on the fact that the crit multiplier doesnt apply to high value targets

[idle bay]

So Crit Aura then...

[hasty breach]

but i dont know if thats true

[long wharf]

you can argue that 5% additional crit chance isn't worth +25% maniac/carapace/whatever

what high value targets change your crit chance?

[hasty breach]

why dont you read the damn thing i linked its not long

crit multiplier, just like read a few posts

[long wharf]

nah, I have better things to do than read Dis' skewed opinions on things

[hasty breach]

and carapace and boodendorf

[long wharf]

+flak and +crit are my preferred perks on surge staff

[hasty breach]

my mistake then

[long wharf]

+carapace affects literally one enemy, crushers

[hasty breach]

carapace is a username...

sry, "confused" not carapace

[glossy ember]

the more crit you have the less crit becomes valuable

and since 5% crit perk ends up being the last crit you get technically

cuz you have the stat (up to 21%), the aura (5%), the node (5%), the base crit rate of psyker (7.5%) and warp nexus

but the thing is surge staff is soreliant on critting to hit breakpoints

that it's not a bad thing to have it

it's just that flak is straight up superior

and flak + elite lets you reach two more breakpoints.

but crit rate 5% is still usable because you want to crit with surge staff

and crit rate affects every single enemy, not just one type

so it's not bad at all

[long wharf]

I'd like to see the math for those two breakpoints

[glossy ember]

i mean i just attempted it with and without flak+elite in psykhenarium

maniac rager gets 2 shot, mauler gets 2 shot. it was fact checked by pygex and updated in the aethenum

[long wharf]

so you tested flak+crit against flak+elite?

at both low peril and high peril?

[glossy ember]

I tested flak+nothing vs flak+elite

crit rate wouldn't change damage values

it just makes your performances more consistant

[long wharf]

but it would affect you not critting in your tests

ergo a valid variable to be tested against

[glossy ember]

hold on lemme get the clips i got last time

[long wharf]

because the question isn't "elite vs nothing"

it's "elite vs crit chance"

the only way elite is 100% better than +5% crit is if two crits won't kill the elite otherwise

[long wharf]

is that with warp raider?

[glossy ember]

here you can see you get to reach beyond 1000 on a non crit with elite on maniac rager

mauler needed some warp rider to get there iirc

it's still rng dependant anyway since the damage roll isn't a fixed value

for mauler it was 1 crit 1 non crit

with good rolls

and warprider

lemme check if I have another clip about it

[long wharf]

yeah, the randomness to surge damage is vexing

makes number comparison a pain in the ass

[glossy ember]

and i think that was without elite

[hearty oak]

Why is surge staff so strong

Not as strong as the artillery power of void but damnbuh does it do quick and hard strikes

[devout robin]

5% crit when you already have over 50% crit is much less value than being able to consistently two-shot

[long wharf]

the biggest problem with surge staff right now is that the damage variance can make it feel not strong

[glossy ember]

it gets consistant with warp rider at least

you see me starting at 0 for maniac rager and 20 for mauler

higher it gets better though

[long wharf]

after seeing those videos, I'm going to have to agree that +25% elite will outshine +5% crit chance

[glossy ember]

still all in rng's hands

i wish it was 25% elite man

[long wharf]

er, 10% elite

[devout robin]

👢

[long wharf]

but yeah

god I wish surge's secondary damage wasn't RNG

[glossy ember]

note that in this vid

im using 25 flak and 10 elite

flexible perks

might not work with non flexible perks lol

like 20 flak 8 elite

[long wharf]

well, flexibility isn't the issue

[hearty oak]

I consistently do good enough damage, I make top overall damage with it. My playstyle is, if it doesn't hit to half health, I just use a quick BB on it and finish it with surge

[long wharf]

you can't really compare non-ideal setups

[glossy ember]

ye

[long wharf]

so, the ideal is +flak +elite

[devout robin]

do you use warp charges bood

[long wharf]

he was in those videos

[glossy ember]

yeah

[devout robin]

blind

ty

[glossy ember]

that's with warp charges and perfect timing

[long wharf]

and for surge, I'd go warp charges

[devout robin]

always

[glossy ember]

not much of a choice

[devout robin]

sucks that surge doesnt hit weak spots anymore

[glossy ember]

ep and dd don't work for it

[devout robin]

disrupt destiny would cook

[hearty oak]

Empowered is nice

[long wharf]

no, it's great that surge doesn't hit random body parts

it'd be interesting if surge targetted weakspots

[devout robin]

it should always hit the head

[mossy surge]

I just blocked though steam, since mine is also full

[long wharf]

but I suspect that would make it OP

[hearty oak]

People block players?

[glossy ember]

but then there'd be even more variance on armor you hit

[devout robin]

[glossy ember]

unarmoured on one gunner, carapace on mauler

[devout robin]

disrupt destiny on current surge doesnt even seem that bad tbh

but i get why people vastly prefer warp charges

[long wharf]

I just dislike DD's jank

[hearty oak]

How much of an improvement is warp charges on surge staff?

[long wharf]

uh

[devout robin]

24% raw damage at max stacks

[long wharf]

all the benefits of having warp charges?

[glossy ember]

i tried it

[devout robin]

and peril reduction too is the recommended subnode

[glossy ember]

it's real bad

[devout robin]

oh yeah?

[glossy ember]

it just doesn't work

yeah

[devout robin]

figured

[glossy ember]

also you don't get finesse bonus

so 15 stacks of dd end up worse than 6 warp charges for surge staff

in term of damage

[hearty oak]

Hmm. I been liking the quick bb on enemies I can't damage quickly

I'll have to try warp charges though

[glossy ember]

yuge

makes it a lot stronger

and more reliable

[hearty oak]

DD was just awkward. Working like 1/3 of the time

[near drift]

think we might be cookin

[devout robin]

surge staff's main weaknesses are breakpoint variance and massive peril gen

warp charges helps mitigate both

[hearty oak]

Reliable in what way? Like one shooting gunners?

[devout robin]

surge also excels because it just usually detonates squishy elites so you end upgetting more consistent charge gain

[glossy ember]

yes

and also peril management

[fluid needle]

Lemme one up you rq…

[glossy ember]

it generates a ton of peril by itself

damage becomes good and reliable, you get to way better breakpoints at 6 warpcharges

if you want a basic surge staff build that doesn't rely on warpfire you can try this.

[hearty oak]

Peril management isn't an issue for me but I don't speak for others. Damage wise, I just kind of keep going till I crit and or, Quickswap for a bb on a tougher target

[long wharf]

oh man, surge staff without perilous combustion?

[fluid needle]

Damn, they really need to rework brainburst huh

Nobody ever uses it

[glossy ember]

wym it's right there

[glossy ember]

ye that's the thing you get to use surge staff either way

[long wharf]

oh nevermind, you take PC up top

[glossy ember]

it's faster TTK than brain burst when buffed up

[long wharf]

Wildfire is a trap

[hearty oak]

Use EP

And in conjuction with the buff with it after shouting

(Can't think of the name)

I just shout to get my peril reduction. Surge is easy enough to manage peril when it comes edging it

And helps with horde management

[long wharf]

I prefer to run Surge with venting shriek and the node that gets you warp charges on stuff dying while soulblazed

being able to pick an elite out of the crowd is very handy with surge

[glossy ember]

i play scrier so im a degenerate

[long wharf]

yes, yes you are

[glossy ember]

[long wharf]

especially with a high peril gain staff like surge

[jolly raptor]

NIGHTS

i'm gonna take you to the deep ocean

[hearty oak]

Sometimes that hard to do. I like using the staff to stun and have high damage. I think of it like a special stack from a chainsword

BB let's me pick off ragers easily as EP gets them in one shot range now after their health nerf

[long wharf]

if you can aim, and the elite/special is in range, you can make it the primary target for the surge staff

[hearty oak]

I try to. One of those hard to explain what I'm doing kind of situations

[glossy ember]

sometimes u gotta jump to aim at the head of the elite in a crowd

[long wharf]

I hope you didn't make your psyker short

[glossy ember]

i did

shortest

[hearty oak]

Listen short king, you need to go on Amazon and get those height enhancers you slip in your shoes

[glossy ember]

[hearty oak]

Or wear high heels

[jolly raptor]

who is the short guy

[hearty oak]

Bood

[jolly raptor]

i didn't see him

is it nights?

[glossy ember]

cuz im short

[long wharf]

stiletto heels for my psyker when, FartShack??

[hearty oak]

I make all my characters high. Cause being short is a choice

[jolly raptor]

bring the short guy here

[hearty oak]

Why did they change the surge staff again?

[devout robin]

inconsistent damage from hitting multiple different body parts

[hearty oak]

Oh

So what does the new surge do now? Just targets the chest?

[glossy ember]

yea

[hearty oak]

Well thats boring

[devout robin]

i mean there's nothing 'interesting' about randomly hitting unarmored or carapace instead of flak on elites randomly

its already a pretty inconsistent weapon, the consistency of hitting a specific damage type helps

[hearty oak]

I know. Why not just make the dot at the center of your screen just be where the lightning goes? Aim at the head, it goes to the head

Like void

[devout robin]

then it intrudes upon the territory of just being a voidstrike staff then

[hearty oak]

It doesnt have the cleave to just go right through whole hordes or have the same huge damage

[idle bay]

Rust Stalker legs for Psyker.

[hearty oak]

I dont see why it couldnt instead of just being in this weird spot

[devout robin]

the thing you're describing is homogenizing the surge into being a voidstrike with the same targetting

the staves are meant to be varied in function and design

[jolly raptor]

brother who cares

i nthis game you just smash

[long wharf]

the problem is one of drastically variable utility

a shared characteristic of the force staves is one of "hits lots of things"

[devout robin]

the less you make surge this long-range auto-target elite shredder with stun-on-hit, the more it turns into the same weapon as the void staff but worse

[long wharf]

surge isn't "long range", either

[hearty oak]

So instead we have staffs in weird spots that only target chests?

[devout robin]

mid-range would probably be more accurate

[long wharf]

surge doesn't hit harder than void

void cleaves through 10 hit-mass

[devout robin]

you're acting like i agree with this statement when i'm saying a different thing

[long wharf]

surge hits two targets, the second doing half the damage of the first

[devout robin]

i'm stating that there should be a different way to fix the surge rather than just make it a voidstrike

[long wharf]

I'm fine with surge being a single-target destroyer

right now it isn't

[devout robin]

like-wise

[hearty oak]

Id agree

[long wharf]

surge no longer is reliable crowd CC

but it doesn't fit into its new role as single-target damage, not fully

[hearty oak]

I like the gimmick that it sometimes electrocutes other people around them sometimes

[long wharf]

I think surge needs an additional effect

[hearty oak]

Have a blessing where crits shoots out to other enemies and does half the damage as apposed to the original target

[long wharf]

like doing a full charge attack on a target makes that target deal aoe lightning damage around it for a short period

[devout robin]

issue with making a blessing that turns it good is that you're gonna make it overcentralized

ie, surge (blessing) on nexus

chain lightning with more branching targets would be so good on surge you wouldnt run anything besides it + nexus

[ornate hamlet]

I hate blessings I hate blessings I hate blessings I hate blessings I hate blessings I hate blessings I hate blessings I hate blessings

[long wharf]

surge only has two blessings people want anyways

[devout robin]

i would rather it have more diversity rather than just being complacent with the limited amount of perks it gets now

[long wharf]

if surge had rending shockwave or blazing spirit, it'd automatically be better

[plucky flax]

Smart move actually.

[devout robin]

blazing spirit surge would be so good

[plucky flax]

Hrm.. not enough aoe.

You burn 2 or 3 guys at a time.

It'd be very good for melee maelstrom though.

[long wharf]

if it applied soulblaze per attack tick, it'd work

but that's not how surge's damage ticks work

they don't count as attacks

[plucky flax]

Yeah only 1 crit at the end.

[glossy ember]

lmb build

run n gun and blazing spirit

[long wharf]

which is straight stupid

give surge lmb projectile the lightning arc when it hits a weakspot

just ... something

surge's identity got taken by smite

and FartShack kicked it in the nuts as thanks

[glossy ember]

make surge staff's lmb be this :^)

[hearty oak]

just make a staff that 1-shots everything in a single lmb

[long wharf]

FartShack shot themselves in the foot, advertising the Psyker as the "glass cannon" class

[robust relic]

77% with these secondaries enough to hit break points? I'm not sure how to check break points....

[summer prairie]

It hits the mutant h2 one-shot with just +25% maniac and no other buffs. Doubt there is anything that requires better rolls

[robust relic]

Thank you!

Now to see if Hadron loves me

[ornate hamlet]

I don't remember the classes being advertised as specific things, or at least not anymore

Before it was visible that they intended for the veteran to be a class more oriented towards ranged, given the abysmal stamina delay and the ranged-only ability

[robust relic]

First consecrate got me very hyped, I guess I'm going to have deflector/uncanny or deflecter/slaughter....

[long wharf]

pre-release interviews

[ornate hamlet]

I mean, shit, at that point I think it's a player problem if people still think of psyker as a glass cannon

[long wharf]

I mean, it's pretty clear that FartShack does still

[ornate hamlet]

No?

[summer prairie]

pretty perfect deimos

[zinc phoenix]

> glass cannon
> unlimited blocking of ranged and melee
you aren’t supposed to pick both obesefish!!

[long wharf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

classic FartShack

free dodging of ranged on crit now

[zinc phoenix]

Me out there with surge just drinking gunner tears as every shot puts me into Neo mode

[long wharf]

basically

[zinc phoenix]

It’s too bad they don’t animate it

[tacit stump]

can someone say me the cons and pros of each staff

[zinc phoenix]

Like come on gimme that cool Matrix animation of my psyker moving all over the place

[zinc phoenix]

Pros: space wizard shizz
Cons: not a gun

[long wharf]

they could make the player's mesh violently shift the vertices randomly while free-dodging

that'd be exciting

[tacit stump]

idk how good surge is compared to voidstrike and if purgatus is even viable

[long wharf]

go read the psyker compendium

it's in the pins

[hearty oak]

When is that getting updated by the way

[long wharf]

whenever Pygex updates it

[zinc phoenix]

You could also just like test them yourself 🤷‍♀️

[hearty oak]

Rate my tree for using surge

[long wharf]

automatically bad

[hearty oak]

[long wharf]

because you're using EP for BB

[hearty oak]

Yeah, and?

I have three charges

[long wharf]

that's less a "surge build" and more "BB build with surge staff"

you're better off going warp charges to focus on surge staff

[hearty oak]

Still need to use that

But it just feels weird. I like using BB to snipe enemies i want dead quickly

and garenteed if it lands

[long wharf]

that sounds good when you aren't considering having teammates

[zinc phoenix]

So pair it with a staff that does more for you like trauma

[hearty oak]

Dont have it, not farming for it

[long wharf]

in reality, teammates make using BB very painful

[zinc phoenix]

🤷‍♀️ then play a less shit surge build

[long wharf]

and less than effective

[hearty oak]

I dont play in premades so

till then, its just been working great for me

[long wharf]

PUGs are worse for killing your BB-highlighted heads than premade teams

all you're doing is lighting up targets for others

[zinc phoenix]

I do an unupgraded bb with trauma/shriek/wc purely for clearing out gunner mobs when my teammates are being mongs but using it with surge seems frankly suicidal

You could be going smite and full fire reeee

[hearty oak]

The 50% cast time is good though. Works on what i need and that being weakened maulers and crushers

[zinc phoenix]

K well it’s your build do what you want 🤷‍♀️

[long wharf]

well, you asked for feedback and have been given some

what you do with it is up to you

[hearty oak]

I didnt say "Well i hate what you said", did i?

I was just explaining my reasoning

[long wharf]

and, again - what you posted was a talent tree for a BB build, that you happen to also use a surge staff with

definitely not a surge staff build

which, if that's your goal, great

but not what you said your goal was

[zinc phoenix]

I wish building around bb wasn’t a total gimp of your build

“Oh wow kewl i mostly killed one crusher”

[hearty oak]

Hmm. I just mean i like using a surge staff in conjuction with bb

[long wharf]

we lost so much when we lost BB giving a damage taken debuff

[zinc phoenix]

“Sure hope the other 19 don’t fuck me to death”

[long wharf]

and causing soulblaze on BB'ing an elite/special instead of killing it

[hearty oak]

Knife zealots when they kill one crusher

[zinc phoenix]

I just wish bb was a short range skill based bop that absolutely clapped stuff

[long wharf]

well, jokes on you, a good knife zealot bled them all in rapid succession

and then ran off to go kill other things as they all bled out

[half iron]

how can you be a good knife zealot if you don’t spam ping and stay a zone ahead

[hearty oak]

why bleed when they can just... die?

[long wharf]

there's a reason why knife zealot is a meme

because it's a thing

that a lot of people do badly, but the good ones are godly

[austere warren]

It's not. People don't like risky playstyles.

[hearty oak]

I dont think people think its a meme

[austere warren]

I don't.

[zinc phoenix]

Most of the time I roll the bad knife zealots

[austere warren]

I fuck lobbies up with it lol

[long wharf]

you definitely don't speak for the majority of people that do enjoy risky playstyles, then

[austere warren]

I speak as one so there's that.

[long wharf]

as which one? knife zealot or risky-playstyle-lover?

[austere warren]

Both.

Majority of my builds are not safe.

[long wharf]

okay

[zinc phoenix]

I just wish knife zealots would wait five seconds for the team to catch up when they see a herd of gunners rather than committing to the bit and dying

The number of times I have to scrape one off the floor is too damn high

[austere warren]

sometimes you do need to commit but yeah, it's not necessary a lot of the time in higher difficulties.

[half iron]

it’s the knife zealot style and hustle. only real 1’s understand

[austere warren]

If you're going for a mob of bigger boys, you don't need to fully finish all of them off for example.

you definitely don't need to position yourself where you're about to aggro the next wave of patrols though.

[long wharf]

like I said

[austere warren]

Which is a super common issue for people not more experienced.

[long wharf]

seeing a knife zealot is usually a cause for groans

doesn't take away from the players that Do It Right(tm)

[austere warren]

They'll figure it out eventually.

[zinc phoenix]

Martyrdom zealots by contrast I love. That build is moron proof

[long wharf]

or they'll just get rescued, cuss out the team for not supporting them, and switch to the next BofM next patch when the youtubers update

[austere warren]

It's definitely easy to be discouraged though if you're just not that deeply into the style all the time and you get completely stuffed regularly if say, you lack better fundamental defense and aggressive judgment.

[long wharf]

the average player IQ dropped significantly when crossplay was patched in

[zinc phoenix]

Voice chat firmly in the off position post sexbox players

[austere warren]

But the stereotype of the knife zealot who really isn't all that great getting punished for overextending, bitching then leaving is a treat.

Same Kerillian, different Shade. :>

[long wharf]

I never played Vermintide

[zinc phoenix]

looooooooooooombaaaaaaaarrrrrfoooooooooootttttttsssssssss

Ngl I kinda miss being able to barbecue teammates who do dumb shit as Sienna

[long wharf]

Darktide would be an utter shitshow if there was friendly fire

[austere warren]

Ah, the knife zealot shroudfield equivalent was this elf woman who had a subclass tailored for high mobility, backstab positionals and elite/boss huge burst damage.

You could push your damage higher with certain builds relatively with going for dual daggers. Massive dps output on backstab and heavies, but very poor defense aside from amazing dodges. Major fundamental for offense would be much like zealot, but slightly more difficult imo with sharking mobs of things for backstabs and fishing for your insta-kills. But for front attacks, you needed to actually land your headshots very consistently . As in, you're not missing much if at all. That's another execution cap that sounds easy on paper but difficult before familiarity.

And the Shade Kerillian getting downed like back to back then saying a slur or something then leaving the lobby similar to vt2 zealots wasn't uncommon at the time I played a lot.

[zinc phoenix]

“Wasn’t uncommon” if by that you mean every other fucking game 😂

[austere warren]

Didn't really mean it like that exactly but it was much more common for vt2 around that time. Figure most on that tip just say their bullshit in their discords or something like usual. Haven't seen it too much these days, just crybaby shit.

But more commonly for me with darktide pubs, I'll be the main one getting cussed out with some of my builds because I'm last one down to clutch (success or failure dosn't mater) because xyz streamer copy build whoever the fuck literally doesn't even have the awareness to understand how to handle mobs before their abilities and passives are kicking in just getting swamped by pretty easy to manage situations. hyooj shrug.

And this is like, damnation and up, which was pretty surprising in some ways but you get a lot of the same shit in vt2 as well. It's just, I feel like vt2 power creep makes things a lot easier to breeze through compared to darktide when you're playing tight.

[long wharf]

one time, on an easy PUG malice run, I watched a psyker only use their staff lmb, and instead of jumping off a ledge to follow the rest of the team, they stayed up top, and went down to like 3 poxwalkers

[austere warren]

gaming

[long wharf]

I said in the mic "Jesus christ, all you had to do was drop off the ledge and stay with the team", as I was aiming for easy no-death runs

[ionic needle]

I think vt2 was easier because of how temp health worked compared to toughness as well

[long wharf]

then an overweight middle-aged man gets on his mic and starts cussing me out for yelling at his 9 year old

[austere warren]

I'm rusty as hell on psyker and admittedly it's probably my weakest class next to ogryn purely off the lack of time spent really learning what's up. Having fun though like I have before.

[olive ember]

Streamer builds are

[austere warren]

True. THP generation is a staple on any build usually. If you're not able to at least juice yourself by virtue of just doing normal things, you're probably having a hard time.

them slave rats don't play on legend and cata.

lmao

[olive ember]

Hit and miss

[austere warren]

You get like...maybe three chances not to fuck up.

And that's like on actually taking green health dmg.

[long wharf]

don't you also get to have your other characters play with you as bots?

[austere warren]

mhm

That makes it a lot easier in some ways.

[long wharf]

man, it's a shame FartShack didn't want to follow their own formula for *tide games

[austere warren]

Like, a lot a lot lol

[long wharf]

Darktide is basically written by a different company

named FatShark

[austere warren]

wouldn't know too much about the developer, let alone their relationship and functions between departments, other companies, etc.

[long wharf]

in one of the post-release interviews, the lead designer at FartShack said they wanted to design Darktide from the ground up to be a different experience from their Vermintide games

[austere warren]

But it wouldn't surprise me too much to learn anything that makes it clearer about a lot of this game's flaws. Betting some amount of money that their devs actually in the backend aren't exclusively the ones making the decisions. But again, I really wouldn't know.

[long wharf]

same dude in an interview years ago said he hated players that "min-max"

and enjoyed making internal systems complicated just to spite them

[austere warren]

If you got a link or a search lead that'lll steer it then go ahead.

[long wharf]

I am not making this up.

[thorn cedar]

That interview was great.

I agreed with almost everything he said.

[austere warren]

And honestly, even if you're going with that route, min-max mfkers still gon do they shit. They really don't care lmao.

[long wharf]

it shows absolute disconnect from your playerbase, aka customers

[sonic summit]

blazing start to the new year, thanks melk

[austere warren]

Throwing my hat in exclusive to my own thoughts: I don't care for min-maxxing for games that don't really arrange themselves to be that static with it. Having robust mechanics and systems that allow flexibility and expression are nice, but strictly from a player perspective, I actually hate the ways that some people tend to steer their thoughts on the possibilities you can get with games like this.

Good example, risky builds or builds that might mean more execution on the player's part with higher active inputs can get lumped in as bad.

[long wharf]

some people don't have the mindset to try to find where a system of rules' limits is

[olive ember]

Right now the meta is kinda just the simpler and dumber it is the better

[austere warren]

Push them bitches, fuck the math passed a certain point.

[long wharf]

some people want to use every possible advantage a system of rules gives them

[austere warren]

Personally think it's easier to roll with that as the only way to view a game when you have these kinds of progression systems we got in darktide.

If you have goals for creating builds, it's definitely easier to just push for builds that are more economic in both their development and their execution.

[long wharf]

a player telling me "nah, it's okay that I'm not doing more damage or performing better in the game" makes them completely alien to me

[austere warren]

Why risk a failed run when melk has your juicy tier 4 you know?

[thorn cedar]

Yeah I think people do themselves a disservice when they just google up "darktide [class] meta build"

But the crafting system is really slow if you aren't someone who crushes Damnation games day in day out

[long wharf]

uh, relying on Sour Milk to have what you want when you want it is really naive

[austere warren]

just an example

[long wharf]

expecting Sour Milk to have something in particular is also naive

[thorn cedar]

There's an unfortunate downward pressure from the crafting system to make your mats 'worthwhile' by 'building the good stuff'

But it's RNG so like, idk. Just swing stick at bad guy.

[austere warren]

That shit kills me to no end more than anything else.

I come from hella Korean MMORPG's and it can get so so much worse but this is pretty bad enough as is fr.

[sonic summit]

i got the game like 2 months ago, the amount of 'meta' builds people posted on yt & reddit that ended up being dog dudu in Auric astounds me. people making the glassest* stuff with sub 100 toughness and think it's okay because it does a niche (that niche is dying) xd

[austere warren]

Main reson why I genuinely stopped playing them. Also couldn't afford anything else at the time.

[thorn cedar]

It's way more fun to just do your own shit at your own level.

[long wharf]

hey now, I run around with 90 toughness on my psyker with no issues

[austere warren]

High damage, low defense builds definitely work in higher difficulties. The burden of effort is dramatically higher for obvious reasons.

[olive ember]

I run 90 toughness psyker wtf

It’s great

[long wharf]

I feel personally attacked

[sonic summit]

don't worry, it's only one swing (directly hits ur life points)

[austere warren]

I'll say it again: your high health/wound/whatever is there to protect yourself from realizing you're not good enough yet to risk less hits.

[olive ember]

One swing is all I need baby

[austere warren]

After a bit, a tank isn't a tank to me.

[olive ember]

With a purge staff I’m never running out of toughness

[austere warren]

Morel ike a very buffed up baby with dangerous tools. :>

(don't tell anyone I play shieldgryn please)

[long wharf]

on release, playing shieldgryn was like equipping a box of tissue paper

shieldgryn is very different today

[austere warren]

shit tbh I'd run shieldgryn when I've lost patience with my pubs.

That's mostly the only time I really played ogryn before I deleted him.

[long wharf]

shieldgryn now can be very good

[austere warren]

"I just want my clear for my fucking plasteel, holy shit. Getting the FUCKING SLAB! AGAIN!"

[zinc phoenix]

this is fine

[sonic summit]

i'm always getting double ranged kill missions from melk on my shield ogryn, smh, i just wanna slap

[long wharf]

yesterday I ran around for 5 minutes on the Mourningstar as a disembodied pair of arms

it was great

[austere warren]

Shieldgryn is a lot better now. Shit for me with my tastes I actually like playing it a lot a lot when I get the chance. That talent that taunts on block/push is actually ridiculous in higher shooter runs.

Save for gunners if you're just really trying to force them into melee since they won't be BUT you do get to open them up to flanks and all that.

ez lobbies for those zippy knife builds.

[sonic summit]

at least 20 gunners don't walk around a corner like the shotgunners do

[austere warren]

https://tenor.com/view/nichijou-blank-stare-stare-anime-mio-naganohara-gif-24979431

I've seen it.

I've actually been the knife zealot that gets forced into them sometimes when I fuck up my flanks enough lmao.

Just "Oh."

shroudfield/chastise away

[long wharf]

why does that face look like a little girl with the face of a 50 year old man?

[sonic summit]

that's the intent lmao

[austere warren]

It's a gag from a scene in a shitpost anime I enjoy.

[long wharf]

oh, ok

[austere warren]

trying to remember what happened but it's some chill wholesome slice of life anime.

Nichijou

just a lot of goofy shit

https://tenor.com/view/nichijou-anime-funny-gif-24034937

[long wharf]

sounds great, I'll put it immediately on my "do not watch" list

[olive ember]

I need to run my psyker again

I’ve been exclusively playing zealot and I think I’m learning some bad habits

[austere warren]

do you. no hee hees for you

[long wharf]

I don't watch anime, nor read manga, for "hee hees"

[austere warren]

aight :U

[hearty oak]

@long wharf Alright, i tried the warp siphon on the surge. Honestly, i can see the appeal to it

[plucky flax]

Zealot psyker both good.

Don't touch stinky vet or ogryn they bad.

[olive ember]

Lmao

[austere warren]

I actually haven't watched or read anythingin a while now that I think about it. Actually no I'm wrong. Checked out that scott pilgrim thing on netflix. know zero about it but the show was pretty neat ofr what it was.

[long wharf]

I only play vet to plasma blast everything

[hearty oak]

I seen you with your ogryn, dont give me that

[olive ember]

I mostly watch/read rom coms so uh

[plucky flax]

[long wharf]

and I enjoy playing gungryn

[sonic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/ayumu-kasuga-osaka-new-years-dream-azumanga-daioh-chiyo-chan-gif-518503127931181518

[plucky flax]

I will be the first to admit I am not that great on ogryn or vet.

I am okay on vet on OP build (plasma)

[austere warren]

I can't play most ogryn builds because I don't have the experience and discipline to use some of their guns.

What the fuck is ammo?

[plucky flax]

Oh I love melee as ogryn.

[spice veldt]

do a vet grenade build and you'll be back at home

[plucky flax]

I don't use gun enough when I play it.

[austere warren]

And...I hate just about all of their melee weapons too.

[plucky flax]

Just smack and bleed.

[olive ember]

Is plasma even that op?

[long wharf]

man, the bull butcher cleaver is great

[olive ember]

I mean it’s good but

[austere warren]

Oh. Bubby. Don't worry about me. I got plenty of setups for my vet.

[plucky flax]

Bruh plasma is voidstrike but it's on steroid.

[austere warren]

Plenty

[long wharf]

the new poop shovel mk XIX is great

[olive ember]

Well yes but that’s cuz psyker is weak

Pls buff

https://tenor.com/view/2omb-pray-prayge-gif-24836268

[plucky flax]

Buff pls especially blaze trauma.

I need 2 millions damage game.

[olive ember]

Buff all the staves

Thx

[plucky flax]

My record now is 1.4 mil.

[olive ember]

But idk cuz autogun vet exists and doesn’t that just delete everything

[austere warren]

It claps.

[spice veldt]

autoguns are their own variety of strong

[plucky flax]

Yeah it kills everything, but not that fast when it's massive armoured train.

And doesn't do as well as plasma against bulwarks.

[austere warren]

Maybe not everything everything but it claps real good.

I don't really use the headhunter or braced autoguns yet but uh

them infantry autoguns got the kicks in em when they're set up for it. The columnus mk5 at the moment is just--good. Like flat out as an assault rifle it's just good.

[hearty oak]

Does anyone else just put the power sword as the tip of their staffs?

[austere warren]

Nice mobility, healthy magazine capacity and reserves on average, consistent damage and decent ranges.

[long wharf]

now go run a mission where you only use that staff and its special attack

[austere warren]

doesn't reload for 40 years and has a nice draw speed. iz gud gun

[plucky flax]

Yes columbus iag is very op.

[hearty oak]

I wish

[plucky flax]

They took away pinning fire autopistol but gave us dumdum columbus.

Thanks FartShart.

[long wharf]

typical FartShack

[plucky flax]

We can actually hit stuff at semi long range.

Blast from the past with old power sword and old pinning fire autopistol on old vet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSnm_btS5i8

[austere warren]

I...actually like the shredder on one of my zealot knife builds. it's more crit based but it's actually not bad at all on damnation

[fleet bronze]

The psword days

[austere warren]

I got lucky on my rolls so I'm grateful lmao

I'd never use this if it wasn't for that.

I hate poor smgs.

Well, smaller firearms.

[olive ember]

Autopistol damage is just kinda anemic rn tbh

Compared to brauto atleast

Or even laspistol

[long wharf]

yep, it got nerfed hard

[austere warren]

I use it more for the defensive utility on my zealo when I need a little more space. I'll just pop castise and light them fuckers up and reset to melee when I need to force a pocket for backstabs.

not too bad on the gunner ttks so that's enough for me

and that's also what the throwing knives are for so /shrug

[long wharf]

I haven't touched my zealot in... almost a month

[austere warren]

I like my slide brrt gaming. titanfall and ultrakill have rewired my brain. I can't leave.

[plucky flax]

Throwing knives

They are so fun.

[austere warren]

I almost slept on them until I said fuck it and remembered who I am lmao

throwing knives in shooters don't feel good unless you are STYLING

STYLE ON THEM

[hearty oak]

I can see why.

[austere warren]

it's time to sweat

[plucky flax]

Back then you just press f on vet then walk.

It's that simple.

[austere warren]

see five snipers? Nah, aggro them and slide dodge the whole lot. play like you got more health than you could ever have

the only hp that matters is 0

:O

[leaden mica]

did the psyker G lightning ability get nerfed recently?

[quiet wolf]

howd you get that

i want it

[hearty oak]

Mod for weapon cutomization

[quiet wolf]

i want the fucking mod

;-;

[rocky raven]

i prefer ogryn cleaver, gimme space glaive

[olive ember]

Don’t think so

[leaden mica]

fluffy samoyed helper

[quiet wolf]

what is the mod and how may i get it, i want

[cold elm]

thoughts?

ignore cosmetic. this is a purgatus staff

[cold elm]

i want this cosmetic. how did u get

[robust sierra]

It's the weapon customization mod

[granite mauve]

it's completely busted

If you know what you're doing you'll be able to basically prevent your teammates from playing the game

[queen fog]

Sounds like a lot of things imo

[flint plover]

Yep. It kinda makes any mission boring, imo

[granite mauve]

I think it might be the most overtuned weapon as of rn

but again

[feral verge]

it's decent

[granite mauve]

It is a plasma gun

[feral verge]

best perks on purga are flak and maniac

[granite mauve]

I know lore shouldn't dictate balance but I actually enjoy that somewhat

[feral verge]

here's mine

[bleak tulip]

they're gonna nerf plasma to make to slow to pull out as well I suspect

maybe make it less pinpoint accurate on left clicks

because it's just basically perfect now

[granite mauve]

all nerfs will be deserved

[bleak tulip]

and the projectile size does the rest

[craggy sedge]

Does anyone do runs for the redacted gear anymore?

[granite mauve]

kickback also needs a good nerf

for ogryn

[feral verge]

yeah, but you usually wont find them in the class chats

[craggy sedge]

TY

[feral verge]

you need to look in the lfg (Looking for game) chats

just say something like

[queen fog]

Seen plenty wanting the old psyker penace of 90% damage on boss via BB

[feral verge]

lfg psyker penances help

[craggy sedge]

Appreciate it

[feral verge]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1042832970211397735

yw

make s ure you pick the right region

[jovial otter]

speaking of penances, anyone know the best way to get the cliffhanger penance? legit pick n mix and mm are easier for me

[zinc phoenix]

gotta love when youre doin good but pogryn says no and ledges you

[olive ember]

Sounds like someone didn’t block

[robust sierra]

Anyone have audio of loner psyker with the voice changer

[queen fog]

I bet there’s a video online with a comp of it, not sure if it’ll have funny mask augment tho

[robust sierra]

I couldn't find anything

[queen fog]

Rip I found something but it ain’t for psyker

https://youtu.be/oM6rQp59kcs?si=_EXs6I-vQpCK-lng

Hopefully it’ll get u closer to finding what u seek

Cuz I got a psyker with the mask thingy but I didn’t go loner

[robust sierra]

Yeah my friend has it too but he is savant

[queen fog]

Rip so close yet so far

[robust sierra]

I just want to hear what it sounds like to judge if I'm buying it

[wild elk]

hey guys, what is the best gun if i want to build gun psyker ?

[robust sierra]

Columnus 5 for me

No contest

Here is the build I use

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185515538475134998/1190776852525092895/IMG_3720.png?ex=65a3085d&is=6590935d&hm=24a376378d6aa5539b3054cddd0858141ba4acb3c44ce23b61a44023f4aa38fb&

You can go right for crit chance aura in stead but will have less toughness

[eager mantle]

It's common for either the columnus or laspistol. Columnus goated tho

[eager mantle]

No perilous combustion? It's free dmg in aoe from all the shit you're killing

[robust sierra]

I run it on some of my builds so I suppose it could work

But this isn't really a soulblaze build

[eager mantle]

It's not just for a soulblaze build

[robust sierra]

I opted to grab more toughness anyways cause psyker is squishy

[eager mantle]

It's the fact that you are gun psyker therefore killing stuff and every elite and special is aoe dmg

[robust sierra]

whatever works really ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[eager mantle]

Fair enough. I would though not bother with the DD target chance to quell.

[robust sierra]

Which node?

I'm not on DT rn

[eager mantle]

Chance of a random marked enemy. Not that much worth.

[hasty breach]

from the emperor. i was thinking replace deflector with slaughterer and then flak for crit damage or do people think that i should just cope with deflector and go +flak and +maniac

[eager mantle]

I mean deflector is nice imo. I feel illisi does good enough w/o slaughterer

[robust sierra]

I'm constantly killing marked enemies, any chance to quell is a good chance in my books

[feral verge]

dump deflector

[sage plaza]

Question: the God Emperor blessed me with a 380 Purgatus staff. I've only ever been using the Trauma staff, and never planned on using a Purgatus, but it was too good not to grab.
Do I go with Warp Nexus, or Terrifying Barrage?

[feral verge]

deflector is neat, but if you can dodge, dump it

especially if that is a weapon you will be using often during a mission

[robust sierra]

Nexus

Barrage sucks

[sage plaza]

Does it? I figured it'd be decent for stalling enemies by making them shook.

[hasty breach]

i guess the unyielding would scale my soulblaze if i pair it with something and hten need to fight bosses

[hasty breach]

left mouse button on purge does this 🙂

and RMB too but less

[robust sierra]

I've never had a good usage of terrifying barrage

[hasty breach]

purge staff does damage by applying burn through crits

[robust sierra]

Maybe someone else disagrees

[hasty breach]

theres actually a scrier's gaze purgatus staff bulid someone posted that incinerates things really fast

but less cc role

[feral verge]

terrifiyng barrage is useless

all staves already supress

[hasty breach]

thanks for input om illisi, i will think about it

[feral verge]

terrifying barrage is like not having a blessing at all

[sage plaza]

Yeah, I tried it out in the danger room, the Peril build is really slow so I figure you can have more crits over time.

Ok, Nexus it is!

Thank you!! 😄

[feral verge]

this is the power of purga

with warp nexus

2.5k crits