psyker-class

[merry drift]

Yea

;-;

[lethal lagoon]

Honestly, not that horrible for a blazing trauma

Change blessings to nexus and blazing spirit and it's usable.

[merry drift]

Yea that sounds like a good idea

[lethal lagoon]

Breakpoints aren't that important on a blazing

I mean you have crit 🤷‍♂️

[merry drift]

Verty true

[lethal lagoon]

With the stats, it's actually pretty decent as a fire staff

[valid sequoia]

i was trying to get a good sword earlier and i rolled like a 16 finesse on an otherwise really good sword and i kinda just looked at it like

[plucky flax]

Its okay

[lethal lagoon]

25% flak is just a little too overwhelming... sigh...

[valid sequoia]

i hope we get a new staff sometime in the future

although its hard to imagine anything they could do for a different staff

[lethal lagoon]

Beaaaaam

Beeeeam

[valid sequoia]

oh thats a good one

primary attack could be like a pew pew and the charge could be a piercing beam

[lethal lagoon]

Aerial bombardment

[valid sequoia]

fatshark please give us las stick

[lethal lagoon]

There's also voidstrike mk that's like a grenade gaunlet

lmb staff but actually good, las stick yeah

[valid sequoia]

its so odd that only one staff has a different base attack

they could've done it way differently

[lethal lagoon]

Probably ran out of time on release

[valid sequoia]

lightning staff should have had a lightning tickle like a baby smite

but that's a good point

[lethal lagoon]

That was my first thought lmao

[valid sequoia]

boom zone staff im not sure about

and ball would keep the normal ball thing

[lethal lagoon]

lmb is the same zone, but it has infinite range and can appear on walls

Smaller and less damage of course

I dunno

[valid sequoia]

that or its just like

a blast from the player

but that would be too much like shriek

[lethal lagoon]

Gandalf time

I'm still sad the special on all the staves is just a bonk

A useless bonk

[valid sequoia]

it's funny

[lethal lagoon]

It's funny but also a wasted keybind lmao

[valid sequoia]

i wish the blitz's had a quick push or something

i wanna stab someone with my rock

or use my hand as a tazer

[quiet wolf]

honestly i wanna try the lightning staff

which one is that again?

[lethal lagoon]

Surge

[valid sequoia]

the one with the big square

and the eye

[quiet wolf]

it's actually really good imo

[valid sequoia]

for what?

[quiet wolf]

if i have a horde right

and i can't quell but i have to attack

[valid sequoia]

fat shark: adds new shovels
me: now make more staves

[quiet wolf]

it's good to not have to switch to melee when i already have it, plus its stagger isn't actually that bad

[valid sequoia]

counter argument, swap

[quiet wolf]

me, the dingus in the corner: GIVE US A POLEARM

[valid sequoia]

imo you get me out of just swapping to a sword

or axe

or knives

it's worth the time

[quiet wolf]

HONESTLY

i just like the bonk because it's the closest i'll ever get to a polearm

[lethal lagoon]

My secret beta polearm weapon

[quiet wolf]

wh...

[lethal lagoon]

Hammering the heretics

[valid sequoia]

that's actually hilarious

[lethal lagoon]

What's so funny about a real existing weapon that I use to hammer heretics

[valid sequoia]

psyker after having the power sword, but cooler at the low low cost of their soul:

[hasty breach]

gunstaff gunstaff!

[shy willow]

What force sword do you guys like

[hasty breach]

illisi all the way

[lethal lagoon]

Obscurous is the clear meta 🙂

[hasty breach]

special attack horde clear through elites

[merry drift]

Illisi pretty good

[hasty breach]

it goes with everything

[junior linden]

idc if its not minmaxed and the ammo sucks I got this from a drop and its wrecking shit until I can afford to roll a new one\

[hasty breach]

admittedly i run brain burst for crushers a lot

[merry drift]

Nah

Use assail daggers

And just trauma force staff them

They get knocked around and bullied

Ez

[hasty breach]

i have multiple builds and get bored of trauma

i use the illisi on my gunker and my voidstrike

[lethal lagoon]

mobility and ammo are the dumps, might take a while to replace.

[shy willow]

How exactly do you use them?

[junior linden]

ty

[shy willow]

They seem to be like power swords

Except, charge them up with Warp juice

[hasty breach]

they kill a bunch of horde super fast as well as any elite inside

[merry drift]

Well u can buff sword with special to do much more damage

Pre much

Horde clear on illisi pretty good

[hasty breach]

i use bloodthirsty for crits after special attack kills and slaughterer

[merry drift]

But assail daggers and trauma force staff 😛

[hasty breach]

keep the peril up

[shy willow]

And they're pretty much useless outside of charge right?

[merry drift]

I simp for trauma force

Not rlly

[hasty breach]

no theyre quite fine without the chargeup

just the charge up looks amazing

[merry drift]

Chargeup good for like flak and other bs that take a million damage

[compact cargo]

assail gunpsyker gang

[merry drift]

But just bully them around by sending them flying with trauma force

Gud staff

[shy willow]

Maybe I was using too weak a sword earlier for heresy

[hasty breach]

illisi gets me out of awful situations as fast as trauma staff and mk 6 knife and it's a nice change of pace. remember that building peril and doing warp attack kills gets you toughness, too!

illisi can get you good toughness regen

[plucky flax]

So tru

[compact cargo]

rip obscurus

[lethal lagoon]

When they finally buff it and it actually becomes the meta, I'll link back to this comment to prove I was an Ob fan all along

[hasty breach]

go back to your hammerstaff

[compact cargo]

Paul of psyker

[hasty breach]

yea i have one as futureproof insurance xD

[compact cargo]

buff staff alt

[hasty breach]

gandalf build, baseball batting hordes

i want a bolt staff from vt2

😦

i know assail kinda does that but still

[plucky flax]

Someone suggest special light from illisi and special heavy from deimos.

That'll be kinda sick middle ground sword.

[lethal lagoon]

I like something like that for a new sword

I would personally prefer buffing Ob's utility, like giving it back infinite dodges or innate deflector

[compact cargo]

Why not just make the sword have an aoe ground stab

It's single target niche is gone

give it something new

[winter moat]

LF cliffhanger penance help - Asia server, anyone?

[strong gulch]

A high mobility force weapon would be nice.

[sullen bobcat]

Force knife when

[plucky flax]

[lethal lagoon]

Is taking an ACT prep course the poorer students can't afford cheating when it comes to college admissions?

[compact cargo]

Spidey Sense wouldn't exist if sound worked corretly

[lethal lagoon]

^

I turned it off for everything but poxbursters

[plucky flax]

Yeah screw people with hearing problem too.

[lethal lagoon]

Cause that's the only thing I can't hear

[plucky flax]

They are not allowed to play games. THat's cheating.

[compact cargo]

Yes

[plucky flax]

[compact cargo]

Altho if the range went from 0-30 I think it would be a bit better

40m is...a bit excessive to me

[lethal lagoon]

Accessibility in PVP is a big topic 🤷‍♂️

But it's PVE

So meh, I'll call it cheating, myself included, but I also don't care.

[compact cargo]

Besides I use hp bars anyway

Not only can I have an arc pointing at a special, I also know their hp

Kill stealer voidstrike

[lethal lagoon]

Nice thing about hp bars is they are like training wheels, I turned em off and after a game it didn't even affect my gameplay.

[compact cargo]

Can be handy when testing if faster charge or more crits is better for voidstrike

coz u know exactly when you crit

BECAUSE UNLIKE VT2 THIS GAME HAS NO CRIT SOUND OR VISUAL EFFECT

[lethal lagoon]

That headpoppin sound is so fucking good though

[compact cargo]

sorry siblings fatshark regression sometimes drives me nuts

[glossy ember]

cheater

[plucky flax]

[hoary badge]

Does brittleness have an effect on soulblaze?

[outer vessel]

I have kept all of the voidstrike stavesthat have rolled suppression and run n gun blessings

guess how many I have

(only up to blue, because I am not burning more plasteel so I can get the same 2 blessings repeatedly)

[lethal lagoon]

32.7

Also just make another psyker(or 2) and look at melks

[outer vessel]

42 staves

I wish I was kidding tbh

[lofty storm]

what blitz do ya'll usually run with trauma?

[left dagger]

shoutout to smart smite psyker cc the right area of targets for me to plasmagun them

more kill but less offense score than smite psyker correctly CC

[near wyvern]

Assail with Flurry Rending and Brain Rupture with Flame Trauma cause you want to access wildfire

[outer vessel]

Out damaging gunluggers because smite is outdamaging them when it comes to hordes is nuts

[near wyvern]

Yes

[plucky flax]

The kind that just spam smite the whole map?

[cosmic sigil]

Smiting the map is fine as long you got EP and shriek

[worthy relic]

MK XV HS or MK IV devils claw ?

[cosmic sigil]

On zealot?

[worthy relic]

yes

shiit

wrong channel

[cosmic sigil]

Mk xv is Evis

[worthy relic]

sorry

[plucky flax]

Heavy sword kinda mid.

Combat axe much better for me.

[hoary badge]

that's what I thought, someone on reddit told me otherwise and I had to do a double take

[potent echo]

Does psyker have brittleness? Other than trauma

[outer vessel]

:/

[left dagger]

strategically spam smite at big targets so i can line up plasma gun headshots, this psyker knows not to smite lone enemy

[sturdy cipher]

"While in Scrier's Gaze you build up Peril. Build up is temporarily slowed down by enemy Kills." is this working? because killing enemies does nothing at least in the psykhanium

[summer prairie]

As I understand it, it essentially turns back the internal timer by 0.33s per kill, meaning you will gain peril at a lower rate, but it's impossible to tell the difference in practice unless you measure the duration (e: actually it's pretty easy to see if you just stack enemies in grinder and e.g. do push attacks with the knife with SG active. Not sure about the actual mechanics though. Might just slow it down to the default rate temporarily).

[outer vessel]

Most I could do to salvage this thing was t4 warp nexus and t4 carpace

but yuck, run n gun and terrifying presence...what a joke

[shut shoal]

TIL at the end of sycorax dodging right on the drop down boxes will cliff you with a high dodge modifier

[rocky raven]

oh man i had the exact same crp happen an hr ago to my 380

[outer vessel]

all my staves roll those two perks

it's utterly ridiculous that I have 49 staves now with those sets of trash blessings and some mid or bad perks

and it just ruins them each time

[rocky raven]

....why would you roll carapace thats not even good lol

[outer vessel]

helps with crushers

seems to be just fine killing everything else in 1 or 2 zaps

[rocky raven]

2Hko breakpoints on the general specials is way more important

[outer vessel]

it does that already

it's critting like a machine because it has max crit bonus, t4 warp nexus and +4% crit chance, plus whatever innate crit it has, on top of what I have from talents, and I'm running talents that increase warp damage

it's just deleting specials

[left dagger]

another game carried by smite psker while i get the no damage taken as vet

[outer vessel]

Yep, kinda how it looks at the end of my scorecards

smite stun is silly and saves runs

but it's also countered by a random poxwalker spawning behind your whole team, so it hits you and knocks you out of your lightning hands, thus all the armored you were busy stunlocking are now free and have one-shot your entire team

[left dagger]

yup also need tight coherency watching each others back

[plucky flax]

My man taking shield in melee maelstrom to block all those shooters.

[elfin grail]

which staff does the zappy?

[lofty storm]

using purely for creating space/move tech, i have staff/blitz out for 95% of game, what should i replace? thinking unyielding for block cost reduction?

[rocky raven]

you never need block reduction, psyker has free blocks w/ Kinetic Deflection

[rich jolt]

^

[rocky raven]

also you should have the sword out as default not staff

[rich jolt]

Kinetic deflection is also a must have when using bullet shield fsword

[rocky raven]

mobility roll aint great nor finesse

[rocky raven]

must have period lol

[rich jolt]

The stamina to peril is bugged im pretty sure

[rocky raven]

i did very limited tests in a priv damn lobby, seems to be about right. whats bugged?

[rich jolt]

Fsword only has three stamina bars so even a couple of shooters can easily break through shield but you can hold of gunners by yourself with the passive

Its either bugged or a case of fatsharks genius balancing

[rocky raven]

oh idk about Fsword and stam consumption, only phys blocks

[dull osprey]

best traits for trauma staff currently?

[rocky raven]

all i know is dueling IV parrytanks a daemonhost as long as you want lol

[spice veldt]

i suppose they didn't buff their stamina drain alongside their damage

[rich jolt]

Psyker needs to be able to teleport

Give me my psyker movement ability already fatshart

[dull osprey]

they already can just aggro a demon host and u'Ll see

[rich jolt]

But that hurts

Make it a spell so you can cast it whenever you want

For like 50 peril

[plucky flax]

[lofty storm]

hotswap to melee just to dodge typically, aside from that staff is out

i usually don't take much damage, so wanted to stack BCR with kinetic deflection

feel almost invincible with a +3 stam curio and mk5 DS

[rocky raven]

kinetic already gives infinite block on dueling waste of a perk

[lofty storm]

what would you take instead if you're not using sword for damage? just raw stamina/sprint efficiency?

[plucky flax]

I only had 58 melee kills in my game just now but my sword still has maniac and carapace for damage when I need it.

[lofty storm]

is DS5 still able to 1 shot mutants with a non crit headshot?

assuming running maniac

[plucky flax]

No.

[sturdy cipher]

can you show talent tree pls?

[plucky flax]

For what?

[sturdy cipher]

for that sweet trauma build

[pseudo basin]

How many enemies does a dueling sword hit?

[plucky flax]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk3r1ejk5PQ

At the beginning.

[spice veldt]

lights have 4.5 cleave, so you'll hit 4 groaners (1.25 hitmass) or 3 poxwalkers (1.5 hitmass)

[echo frigate]

DS4 can but it's weak spot I think

[spice veldt]

i forget the cleave of the heavies but it's prob some value between 2 and 3

[pseudo basin]

Thank you. Is this something I can see on the stats screen or something?

[spice veldt]

depending on which heavy it is

there's no in-game resource that displays this, sadly

[lofty storm]

yeah ive used DS4 for a long time, but i never use it aside from mutants, swapped to DS5 tonight for better dodges/block

[rocky raven]

MK IV can cause heavy stab moveset get weak + crit. V moveset is pretty bad in comparison

[digital narwhal]

Was he at least using wall version?

[spice veldt]

you'll have to go to an external website like this to know https://dt.wartide.net/calc/

[lofty storm]

yeah i know this, posted in my previous msg

[digital narwhal]

That can still somewhat help with Specials

and whatnot

[pseudo basin]

Thanks

I am using mk iv, stabbing people in the head with scrier's gaze

[idle bay]

@plucky flax do you remember i told once that somehow Crushers overhead into my blovk just removed all my Toghness and did not touched health. And i have no idea what caused it - most likely bug.
Today even weirder thing happened - Crusher overhead into my psyker channeling Smite (Smite does not stop Chushers overhead if it started animation for some reason) - and got hit by that overhead... and again it only removed my Toghness. Another bug

[spice veldt]

the website has no particular tutorial so you'll want to click around

[plucky flax]

No it was bubble. I felt so safe as a crusher charge overhead.

[pseudo basin]

but it has "rampage" as a blessing so I wasn't sure if that even worked

[plucky flax]

Surely the bubble will protect me and I won't get 1 shot.

[digital narwhal]

[plucky flax]

[digital narwhal]

Bubble Psykers are often

[echo frigate]

Not a bug

[digital narwhal]

special.

I notice a lot of them use it at the most random times, too.

As in they use it right off of cooldown.

[idle bay]

How then ?

[spice veldt]

and when you have a weapon selected, the numbers below each attack indicates their cleave

[lofty storm]

depending on the game, you can afford to use it on CD

with psykinetic CDR

[rocky raven]

all 3 dueling swords have same mobility potential i dont get it

[plucky flax]

I'm not sure I get 1 shot every time by crusher.

[echo frigate]

Enough Toughness, Enough toughness damage reduction, buffs from other ppl, etc

[spice veldt]

was this with overtoughness/yellow toughness?

[idle bay]

That wasexactly mine expectation to go down instantly.. but nope 🙂

[spice veldt]

pure toughness can not tank overheads

[echo frigate]

Also yellow toughness

[lofty storm]

no they don't have you even used any that aren't mk4?

[idle bay]

Just blue toughness, like 123 or something

[echo frigate]

So the tdr

[rocky raven]

all 3 yes

[lofty storm]

you get extra dodge count & dodge length on mk5

[pseudo basin]

By the way what's the difference between perks +carapace and +unyielding, is that the same because ogryns are the only carapace armored?

[spice veldt]

psyker can never get that much dr/tdr

[lofty storm]

also block cost is lower and i believe push cost is lower as well

may be wrong about push cost

[spice veldt]

i bet ogryn can get that much, but absolutely not psyker

[idle bay]

That is why consider both instances of not being downed by overhead as bugs.

[lunar hollow]

overheads have a minimum amount of hp bleedthrough

[echo frigate]

You really don't need to be blocking and dodging that much then

[lunar hollow]

it used to be the case you could tank it straight to toughness iirc

[spice veldt]

yeah i think overheads just have a much higher toughness damage multiplier nowadays

since bumping up your toughness only offers a marginal decrease in the damage inflicted by maulers

[rocky raven]

and even if you wanted to, kinetic deflection + the psyker base stam regen being so high lets you keep it up forever

[spice veldt]

i wonder if grim has updated their reddit post

[plucky flax]

I'm not as good as you Aegis I need my block cost.

[lofty storm]

good block cost reduction is op when it comes to creating space from chaos spawn/DH & ragers etc

[echo frigate]

Yeah

[echo frigate]

Other stuff can reach that

Rangers can be interrupted

DH can be tanked

[rocky raven]

ive facetanked a DH for 3mins straight just to see if it was possible, only kinetic was used w/ a blue dueling sword ~ 68 defenses it doesnt take much

[lofty storm]

thats why im using 5 over 4, 4 doesn't roll defence stat

[echo frigate]

You are silly

[plucky flax]

Let the man play what he wants

[echo frigate]

Defenses and Mobility are the same thing

[spice veldt]

nope

[lofty storm]

the dodge count stacks

have you guys not tested this?

[echo frigate]

FS just likes to confuse people

[echo frigate]

Wat

[lofty storm]

i literally have 2 extra effective dodges on a poorly rolled DS5 as opposed to 4

[echo frigate]

That makes no sense

[spice veldt]

defense affects dodge count and the stamina cost of pushing/blocking/maybe some other stuff i forgot

mobility affects sprint speed, dodge count, and other stuff i forgot

[echo frigate]

Sprint cost

That's actually stupid

[lofty storm]

they are separate stats, and if you have both they stack, assuming you have over 50% defence iirc

affects dodge count & dodge distance

[rocky raven]

correct, but they dont stack only take prio for highest roll

in case ofdodge count at least

[lunar hollow]

defences/mobility don't stack for dodge count. they used to on vet shovel until carnival pt 2

😔

[zinc phoenix]

It’s not, I have a sprint/stam weapon for my gun focused vet build and her survivability goes up a good bit using it

[spice veldt]

at least for the dodge distance, it seems to default to some value

[echo frigate]

I see

[lofty storm]

in that instance MK5 must still have a higher base dodge count in that case, because both have the same value

[spice veldt]

since it's always +15%

[rocky raven]

nope, still maxes at same

[echo frigate]

Ik force swords max is always 5

But dueling swords are 4/5

I forget

[lofty storm]

ok in that case then it just has +2 extra innate mid efficacy/usable dodges

[rocky raven]

here @lofty storm, perfect 380 roll MkV vs average MkIV, no difference despite both defenses + mobility maxed

mkV basically just gets 2 separate chances at higher mobility stat, from 2 overlapping traits is all

[echo frigate]

This is what we've needed

[rocky raven]

my invents are a mess lol 😅 im a hoarder

[echo frigate]

Not to mention you get max dodges at 50%

[echo frigate]

I'm the complete opposite

Everything has a purpose either upgrades or its dockets

[rocky raven]

scaling of the stats is identical across all dualies, reason for high mob is distance is linearly scaled from 0-80 for 0-8% increase

[lofty storm]

yeah I know they both have 5 full dodges, but the mk5 gives 9 DR dodges as opposed to 7, and the first 7 are actually very usable due to dodge distance

granted by defence stat on MK5 ^

[rocky raven]

3* not 5 i have a +3 trinket on atm

[plucky flax]

Mk5 has longer dodge.

[lofty storm]

what are you referring to?

[plucky flax]

Both of them add up to 15% dodge distance.

[lofty storm]

im talking about the DR dodges after you use your base 5

[lofty storm]

not the curios, dodgecount

you get more semi effective dodges on the MK5 that also have a lot more distance

[rocky raven]

i just equipped both and backdodge skated in circles around the training room, the psyker base regen rate is what you're feeling not addtl dodges. both have same ability

[lofty storm]

no it's additional dodges as per debug menu, it literally shows you that one has 2 more dodges

[hearty oak]

Whens the dodge curio coming out?

[rocky raven]

coded, yes. in practice you wont feel it, 5 regens on psyker to perma backstep without the 2 extra buffer

[lofty storm]

????

I could feel it the moment i put the sword on

i can count it as well

[rocky raven]

was both max mobility?

[summer prairie]

the distance is immediately obvious

[lofty storm]

no, 71 & 74 roll, so both benefitting from 5 dodge limit

[rocky raven]

i just measured using the metal panels in ground 1 backstep from each, ended in same place.

[summer prairie]

longer distance and the dodge is also faster

[spice veldt]

you can grab the movement analyzer mod to see that it is longer

[olive ember]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opBQ84BCth0

they did psykers dirty

[spice veldt]

i don't consider the the dodges that much longer to be significant, but they are longer

[olive ember]

wait they fixed the dodge duration node?

or are you talking about smething else

[spice veldt]

dodge distance of an mkv ds

[rocky raven]

the mkV has 80 DEF though, so its actually prio at 80 mob vs the other at low 70s

the one you posted at least

[lofty storm]

mk4 vs mk5, i actually had 1 more dodge left with mk5 but dodged into pillar

[rocky raven]

wellya your MkV has higher effective stats

[plucky flax]

Mk5 max dodge distance is 15%. Mk4 is like 7.something.

[queen fog]

Oh hey I played a few games with that guy

Real chill lad

[lofty storm]

i have 7.1% on mk4

[plucky flax]

Yes I dunno why this guy keep claiming it's the same dodge distance.

It's so obvious when you equip mk5.

Zooming around.

[zinc phoenix]

Dodge distance is a trap

[lofty storm]

yeah you dodge way further, and you have 2 extra dodges, so because they diminish over the total dodges, even the "bad dodges" still feel good

[zinc phoenix]

Ought to call it “ledge yeeter” distance

“Oh no a crusher better dodge!”
“Ah shit, I dodged into space”

Death music plays

[lofty storm]

im only really ever pulling my sword out for dodge/quelling, i normally don't get more than 30 or so melee kills a game, that's why im using mk5

[zinc phoenix]

How often your team have to pick you out of an abyss

If dodges didn’t yeet me into the wild blue yonder from time to time I’d consider more dodge distance more gooder but as is I choose the safer option 😂

[lofty storm]

68, 0 127, 165, 165 damage taken over last 5 games, the last 2 were failed clutch, got disabled hence 165

[zinc phoenix]

I’m noticing you aren’t reporting your “times yeeted into space by own dodge” count

[rocky raven]

ahh that might explain it, i think i figured out the differential in the interaction its in the diminishment.

on 80 Mk4/80 MK5 first dodge goes the same distance from what i just tested, however the followups even though they reset quick enough on both have greater diminishing distance on the 4 vs the 5

[lofty storm]

Oh you meant literally LMAO

[rocky raven]

i think the multi-dodge diminishing returns may be a function(total max) for how severe the diminishment is

[lofty storm]

yeah unlike most weapons where after your 3-5 good dodges they start feeling bad, mk5 has 2 extra usable dodges, so you have 5 base (100% efficacy), then 7 pretty good ones, 2 that are bad, then you're out

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah I completely agree the mk5 dodge caravan is great on maps with zero stairs or ledges for never getting touched but if you roll a map with loads of ledge you may as well just exit 😂

[left dagger]

I just evasion tanked a Daemonhost with mk V dueling sword after she kills the dude who aggros her. this might be my favorite of the 3 dueling sowrds

[rocky raven]

would explain the skating feeling on multi dodge but exact same first dodge

[lofty storm]

that's why mk5 feels so good even when you've used up your 5 dodges

[olive ember]

Who needs dodge distance when you can have SPEED with knife

[lofty storm]

YEP, THIS ^^^ @rocky raven

[zinc phoenix]

gotta go fast

[olive ember]

https://tenor.com/view/running-barry-allen-the-flash-ezra-miller-the-flash-movie-gif-6124209952182402217

[left dagger]

i love the overhead strike over the poke heavy too, dunno if less damage but overhead is more room to land headshots

[zinc phoenix]

Zoomer vet is low key really good

It’s funny as shit outrunning zealots

[lofty storm]

especially with BCR, and +3 stam curio you feel invincible

[lofty storm]

yeah most of those 30ish kills i usually get in melee is typically because mk5 heavies are so stylish

they're fun to use, but they are weaker than the stab

[left dagger]

ah it is weaker, but at least easeir to land headshots dont need to be facing them

[lofty storm]

i haven't compared knife to DS on psyker

[rocky raven]

yea hitbox is bigger on the downward but you lose out on the weakspot+Crit combo from stab as tradeoff

[lofty storm]

yeah it's a bit easier, normally don't have trouble landing them on mk4 anyway, but i have like 2k hours on salts, mostly with rapier

so it kinda carries over

i haven't directly compared, the mk5 is harder to hit headshots in light string it feels

[left dagger]

lol same, i main Billhook and its the same energy of downward strike easeir to land headshot

rapier also harder to land headshot reliably unless you face them forward

[lofty storm]

i just want dueling sword on zealot so bad

[left dagger]

imagine Saltzpyre with mk5 dueling sword

[lofty storm]

is it really too much to ask? same with falchion, it feels like we don't really have anything that feels like falchion in this

cadia mk4? chainsword KINDA

devils claws deal too little damage/too good cleave

[left dagger]

good for the parry but dont really care for devils claw lights and heavies

[lofty storm]

oh i love using DC, but compared to falchion i mean

give exe sword to zealot as well

[cold ivy]

eviscerator mk 15 is pretty close to exe sword, i think

repeated sideways lights, big overhead heavy

[lofty storm]

yeah the moveset feels good but it feels like there's a hit cap on it

i haven't tested it, but the cleave seemed abyssmal

[plucky flax]

Aye dc4 has poopy light attack against armoured. Unlike the falchion.

[cold ivy]

it does feel like my evis has less cleave in hordes than my illisi lol

[olive ember]

I just hsword

Anyone wanna do orthus hard

I need an orthus hard victory

[lofty storm]

i recently rolled a HS6 the other day, im not much of a fan

[summer prairie]

what do you mean you need it

[olive ember]

well I need my weekly clear

[lofty storm]

feels so bad against carapace and im an ape that rarely shoots things

[summer prairie]

uhuh

[olive ember]

to feel good about myself

[plucky flax]

Heavy swords not that good.

[olive ember]

how else do I differentiate myself from the randos who can't clear it

[plucky flax]

Most op melee weapon on zealot is combat axe and knife.

[olive ember]

smh hsword is great

I should rly try a caxe tbh

[lofty storm]

Power Crusher on Zealot

[olive ember]

see what the martyrdom attack speed does to it

[lofty storm]

caxe is so good now

[olive ember]

I mean it was always good

[lofty storm]

The new one, haven't tried the old

[plucky flax]

Pre 13 combat axe had infinite cleave but bad spread damage.

[olive ember]

uh

which one is the new one

[plucky flax]

Now it has 4 cleave but OP damage on all targets hit.

[lofty storm]

mk12 ???

orestes something

looks edgier

[plucky flax]

That's chainaxe.

[lofty storm]

oh you guys talking about combat mb

[olive ember]

caxe is combat axe

chaxe is chain axe

[lofty storm]

i haven't used combat much since beta

[olive ember]

taxe is tactical axe

[lofty storm]

taxe is dockets

[olive ember]

tho people who have an aversion to taxes say tacaxe

couldn't be me

I have no job and am poor

but no taxes needed

[lofty storm]

idk if skill issue but when i last used tac axe if felt like have my attacks weren't registering

[olive ember]

tac axes are uh

kinda weak rn

[glass forge]

Tactical axes good defensive weapon due to cleaving stun attack

[olive ember]

even the chaxes got buffed

[lofty storm]

yeah tried it on my vet and didn't have a good time, went back to chaxe/knife

[olive ember]

i think tacaxes are the weakest weapon in the game rn but

[lofty storm]

new chaxe is great, like it a lot

[olive ember]

yeah I can't think of another melee weapon thats weaker

[lofty storm]

same honestly, im not a fan of heavy swords but i know they're considered great

seen HS6 called meta multiple times in zealot chat

but they're definitely stronger than taxes, i bully everything that doesn't have carapace

[olive ember]

do people use hs6 now?

I still use hs9

[zinc phoenix]

Chastise heavy sword is pretty bonkers, legit just spam your way to infinite F and then use F to rip thru everything. Only really painful thing to face is carapace stuff but drop to col IAG, hit F and watch em evaporate

[olive ember]

he's memeing

well chaos also has some weirdge takes tho

like surge staff being good

[plucky flax]

I put it a tier below combat axe and knife.

It sucks against bulwark and carapace.

[olive ember]

don't you run bleed knife too?

bulwark isn't that bad honestly

[plucky flax]

Yeah which can still kill carapace.

[olive ember]

just use the special to the head

and the bulwark gets stunned

[plucky flax]

Even with double bleed blessings you kill crushers with knife.

[zinc phoenix]

Problem with knife builds is you lose 1 finger every time you play

After six runs you’re never playin again

[plucky flax]

That's true.

[lofty storm]

DC feels better for that due to better crit scaling imo

Also parries are fun

[zinc phoenix]

I love me claw on vet, parry party

[lofty storm]

Recently got a good one on vet, haven't used it as much as zealot

[cold ivy]

if you're on PC, binding mouse wheel down to LMB lets you spam attacks a lot more easily

[olive ember]

what is this

csgo bhop

[lofty storm]

Yeah seen a lot of talk about mk6 as of late, better single target apparently, I don't have a perfect roll so I haven't been able to make a fair assessment

[olive ember]

I tried a random one out, wasn't a fair test mind you but myehhh the moveset

[cold ivy]

if it works it works! (i have tag on mouse scroll up so in hordes i just scroll up and down to clear stuff with lights while tagging anything that's hidden)

[olive ember]

its got these weird diagonal strikes

[plucky flax]

Slightly better heavy 1.

[lofty storm]

Honestly bleed talents aren't that great, I moved to uncanny and precog, feels much better

[plucky flax]

But worse follow up heavies.

Sure if you think so. Bleed works for me.

[lofty storm]

Yeah mk6 bit worse on clear, seemed to handle ragers and pretty much any special/elite better, carapace still slow

[olive ember]

maybe its cuz I run martyrdom cuz I can oneshot ragers with a mk9

or atleast consistently two shot

[lofty storm]

I'd highly recommend still using uncanny at least with bleed, it buffs the bleed damage, I was using it with bleed on crit blessing

[plucky flax]

I have a lot of knives. Sometimes I play uncanny + lacerate. Sometimes I go full bleed.

Uncanny only helps against crushers and monsters. You kill small stuff faster with double bleed.

[olive ember]

run full bleed on that epic orthus hard

[plucky flax]

Double bleed on green monsters maelstrom.

[lofty storm]

psyker was poppin off

knife boss damage so nice

[plucky flax]

I still had top elites killed without uncanny.

[zealous pewter]

I got a 548 god rolled version of this gun on psyker

[plucky flax]

Killed crushers easily.

Just headshot them.

[zealous pewter]

please tell me there's a way to make it work

[plucky flax]

And absolutely carried with monster damage cos dunno what other guys were doing.

[lofty storm]

yeah i used to run double bleed, running uncanny made lighter work of them though and hordes weren't a problem so went with that

been trying out precog/uncanny, unsure how i like it compared to bleed on crit/uncanny

i think bleed/uncanny is more comfortable / easier to use for sure

[plucky flax]

Just so many ways to play this game I never gatekeep.

[lofty storm]

yeah i love it compared to VT2 in that aspect

The MK system adds so much depth, in VT2 only 2 traits were ever used on melee weapons pretty much

pugs were just using swift slaying typically

[plucky flax]

Purga is the worst staff but I still play it sometimes when I want to chill.

[zealous pewter]

Thoughts on best staff? I've been using surge and liking it, voidstrike seems like it doesn't hit that hard

[lofty storm]

honestly i like them all besides purg

[olive ember]

voidstrike and blaze trauma or meta

[plucky flax]

Imo blaze trauma but you need to pray to RNGesus.

[olive ember]

tho all the staffs work well enough

even fucking surge staff

[lofty storm]

purg is still fun, i find myself useless against gunners that are afar th ough

[olive ember]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

everyone knows surge staff is the worst smh

[rocky raven]

swap deadly for Infernus | weak spot for Flak

[lofty storm]

i disliked surge for the longest time, but ive been having a lot of success pairing it with venting shriek/soulblaze

[zealous pewter]

i don't understand infernus

i've tried it on my vet with even the recon lasgun and it just doesn't feel like it does much

[plucky flax]

It burns

[lofty storm]

well you're using recon

[zealous pewter]

and i have like 40% crit basically

[lofty storm]

that's your first problem

that shit got nerfed hard a while back

[plucky flax]

FS hated recon they gutted it.

It was good for 1 patch.

[zealous pewter]

yes recon is bad, but it should do the most with infernus

[lofty storm]

yeah, it was really good before it got like 4 nerfs in one patch lol

[zealous pewter]

i have like 40% crit with it and infernus is still like 5% of my DPS with it i think

[lofty storm]

it had a lot more rending previously, so infernus would melt

[olive ember]

btw whats the rending damage of plasma gun btw

[lofty storm]

you actually had a decent TTK on crushers, not anymore

[lofty storm]

god knows, inf

[olive ember]

is it worth taking rending strikes if I'm already bringing plasma

[zealous pewter]

i've run infernus on my mark X laspistol too and it felt meh

[lofty storm]

im thinking no, i haven't used much plasma though

because they changed rending to be additive as opposed to multiplicative

so i find it more beneficial on lower armour piercing weapons

[zealous pewter]

i saw a thing on youtube where a guy was saying rending is not very good now in general

only in edge cases is it a big increase

[olive ember]

lmao thats a fucking lie

[zealous pewter]

is it? see i have no idea

[olive ember]

every other weapon that can take uncanny strike takes it

[rocky raven]

the recon infernus is different, applies the least stacks per crit and they tick for basically nothing. IV with CC sites in a sweet spot and drops 4 per crit

[olive ember]

which youtuber said that lmao

[zealous pewter]

this info for this game is pretty hard to pull apart

i'll see if i can find it

[fluid needle]

oop

good sword?

[lofty storm]

fixed your tree

[fluid needle]

Need a smite build to go with this if anyone has some tips

[rocky raven]

swap block for crit chance , run with a purg soulburn build

[fluid needle]

Thanks for the tip, I’ll try it out

[zealous pewter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udmTdHj_cCU&t=72s

just showed up in my feed

[plucky flax]

Depend on how much rending you have. 10% you won't really notice it.

[fluid needle]

post your drip

[plucky flax]

More than 50% though and you see it.

[zealous pewter]

just posted it

[plucky flax]

Like handcannon blessing on revolver, or 100% rending via uncanny strike.

Although some weapons with very high finesse and penetration like knife, you still do very good damage without rending.

[rocky raven]

you'll see it with soulburn stacks even at 10 lol

[plucky flax]

What are you running with 10% rending on psyker?

[thorn cedar]

10% rending is almost inconsequential across the board. Uncanny Strike? Not so much.

[zealous pewter]

yeah even his example of the shovel where it's supposedly not ideal it is getting a 20% damage increase

[rocky raven]

uncanny 4 = 24% rending x up to 5 stacks, thats very significant

[summer prairie]

rending isn't good for weapons/attacks that do good armor damage, what a revelation

[zealous pewter]

well good to know, i was taking the video too much at face value

you really have to Do Your Own Research in this game

also if 10% damage was a node you would absolutely take it

so even in worse case anti-synergy with rending it still sounds like it's adding value

[rocky raven]

just because some clickbaiter doesnt understand the core use-case of a debuff doesnt make it bad yup

[rocky raven]

yup

[zealous pewter]

yeah i'm not really impressed by his argument after reviewing it again

[summer prairie]

the video is fine, he is doing the math and showing how it is being applied, people can make their own conclusions

just overselling his case

[lofty storm]

and im falling for it

[zealous pewter]

lol

[rocky raven]

i mean he doesnt even understand how rend works lol

[zealous pewter]

unrelated question, do you guys like damage resistance: gunners on your curios?

seems like a popular choice\

[frozen osprey]

yes

[rocky raven]

his entire premise is based on the assumption its dmg added, not DR removed

[lilac sigil]

I always use at least one Gunner Resist, and on flimsier classes like Vet/Psyk it's not uncommon for me to go triple-gun-resist.

[zealous pewter]

good to know

[lilac sigil]

But if you ran forcefield, you could get away with less, imo. (I don't run it that often compared with meta psykers.)

[ornate hamlet]

Methinks that for melee, exploit weakness and onslaught are good value

Because you take exploit weakness to reach trench fighter anyway

[rocky raven]

personal preference imo, whatever fills a hole in your playstyle best

[chrome tundra]

Gunner resist / toughness regen speed / combat ability cooldown / is tha bomb. I get that for all 3 curios.

[ornate hamlet]

And onslaught is one point away from the stamina delay node

Which you take anyway

[zealous pewter]

interesting combination. i would assume default to +tough and +health/tough regen

[ornate hamlet]

So you give up 25 toughness on a class that already can get like 170-ish with 2 toughness curios to get exploit weakness

[chrome tundra]

Spamming dome for the team is where it’s at. You get protected from it all in there haha

[zealous pewter]

yeah i really like cooldown reduction conceptually a lot

anything that lets you use your buttons more is fun

a high impact skill like that especially

speaking of, is CDR additive? for example the +10% reduction and +12% from three curios, is that 22%?

[summer prairie]

yes

[zealous pewter]

okay cool thanks

[rocky raven]

or run warp battery and have perma ult up

[lilac sigil]

What about minor nodes? Are toughness damage reduction minor nodes additive (most/all damage reduction prior to those nodes being implemented was multiplicative)?

[summer prairie]

toughness dr nodes are additive, most toughness dr is not

[lilac sigil]

Hmm so stacking them might get decent? Good to know!

[zealous pewter]

so the nodes are super valuable then, huh

[ornate hamlet]

I vaguely remember a talk yesterday about toughness DR nodes being multiplicative

But even taking 3 of them the value is very similar

[idle bay]

So nodes that say just plain +% TDR is additive, and nodes that provide +%TDR with condition are not?

[lilac sigil]

Guess that's true, at the somewhat low values they're at (three 5% nodes would be 85.7% damage taken, compared with multiplicative would be 85.0%)

[ornate hamlet]

Like oh no, you're actually 0.7% worse or something idk

[lilac sigil]

exactly

[chrome tundra]

@zealous pewter I got my build like this. It’s pretty fun being able to place a new dome before previous one expires.

[summer prairie]

wyck_xaos: Generally yes as far as I know

[chrome tundra]

Super helpful for the team

[zealous pewter]

that is cool

i think i'll check that out

[idle bay]

And biggest chunk of +%TDR for a team are in starting Vet nodes....

[olive ember]

psure thats outdated by now

<@&735928989146939404>

[lofty storm]

DIE HERETIC

[rocky raven]

you need kinetic deflection 😉

[north cargo]

Is there anything to know about that tenant "do 90% brain burst damage to a boss"? just did it with a team (private lobby) but didnt get it... Someone said, it might ahve been bugged with a certain talent or something? not sure

[summer prairie]

it's not bugged, but be careful with SB from venting shriek doing too much damage

[rocky raven]

if anything take off vent modifiers for the challenge

[chrome tundra]

Never tried it! But also have a ton of stamina from curio + mac IV regens stamina on blocks amazingly. It’s good enough to solo tank a chaos spawn

[olive ember]

psh I don't take minor nodes

[lofty storm]

stamina regen delay op though

especially when you're powersword gaming

[olive ember]

ewwww powersword

not a based claw user

[north cargo]

Was really carefull with my vent, plus would have seen if it did blazing stacks... ah well, try again, thanks 🙂

[lofty storm]

really good on claw as well for stam dumping on parrying

[rocky raven]

did your tank potentially do dmg to it?

[summer prairie]

I helped some random get it recently and had no issues at least

[rocky raven]

or any DOTs

[olive ember]

did you have bots shooting the boss

[lofty storm]

turns out i need to run rending strikes on my DC4, ragers take 1 less hit to kill YEP

[north cargo]

I was tank, but i did have to get rescued once with a grenade acuse i got nomnommed... maybe that too was too much damage

[olive ember]

maybe

[rocky raven]

that would be it

[summer prairie]

all they have to do is walk closer to save you from being eaten

[olive ember]

the only other thing I can think of is to not take kinetic rupture and only use base BB

[rocky raven]

easiest method is ogryn shieldtanks a DH, then BB just stands back and pops it

[olive ember]

in terms of bugged

but I'm psure I've heard people do the penance with the upgraded BB and get it

so

unsure

[rocky raven]

i can confirm it works with upgraded currently

[shy willow]

Easiest way to get the 7 people off a cliff penance?

[north cargo]

when shrieking i always faced the other way to make sure

[olive ember]

find a cliff

push 7 people off

[lofty storm]

it's only 7?

that should be easy

[olive ember]

yeah they nerfed it from 20

[rocky raven]

yup

[north cargo]

20? Oh my ^^

[olive ember]

theres a couple places

um

TRS relay station theres the bridge

There was a spot at the start of a chasm logistratum but idk if it still exists

someone said they might have changed the map layout for it

[lofty storm]

the vault mission has a ledge

[north cargo]

There is that map where you bunker down for a while in some middle pillar with only two small bridges and tonnes of enemies coming from there, i think that used to be a good place for it

[olive ember]

uh

One of the assassination missions has a drop where maulers and ragers n shit spawns

[lofty storm]

end of hab dreyko

[olive ember]

if you stand near that drop you can potentially push them off

[rocky raven]

Enclavum Barros is super ez

[olive ember]

Make sure you push with high peril since push strength scales off peril

[lofty storm]

all maps blend together for me in this game

anyone else?

[rocky raven]

the bridge you defend with power cells

[olive ember]

thats an issue some people have said yeah

[summer prairie]

smelter complex finale should be easy

[lofty storm]

oh yeah that'd be great for it

[north cargo]

Not really, but for the life of me i can't remember any names for the maps x)

[lofty storm]

smelter

i find them so forgettable compared to VT2

[olive ember]

Tbh I don't rly need varied maps

I get lost in VT2 maps kekw

just let me kill stuff as I walk from point A to point B and I'm happy

[lofty storm]

i miss all the jumping puzzles in VT2, doesn't feel like there's as many skips in DT

[north cargo]

VT2 had open air, you can do a little more with that, Darktide is just alot of factories

[lofty storm]

verticality in general

[olive ember]

I hate the jumping puzzles

too many grimoire tilts

and then a guy dies while doing it and I have no clue how to get to him

[lofty storm]

abusing verticality was fun in VT2, you can do it a bit on DT

[opaque charm]

I give it my best rating: good!

[lofty storm]

there's one in hab dreyko i can think off, in the room with the hole in the middle that's railed off that you have to run all the way around

[small blade]

If i buy a "Equinox mk 3 Trauma force staff" from melk with warp nexus 4, if i earn that blessing will it be available for all force staff types ?

[lofty storm]

you can just cut a corner at the start

[olive ember]

only trauma staffs

[olive ember]

for wte reason each staff is considered its own weapon family

[brave fiber]

Each force staff type is its own weapon type

[olive ember]

so the blessings do not carry over

[lofty storm]

i get it, but it's confusing and dumb for new players

[opaque charm]

What's the best staff other than the Columbus IAG? Revolver?

[lofty storm]

given there's no variation with each staff

[rocky raven]

huh...

[lofty storm]

like there are with every other weapon

[olive ember]

blaze trauma and voidstrike are meta

[small blade]

ok ty, so Trauma and Voidstrike are different, the fact they are both Equinox and force staff is irrelevant ?

[olive ember]

columnus iag and revolver are meta ig for gun psyker

[lofty storm]

is blaze trauma actually good? i heard it was a meme

been rocking trauma recently for the first time since beta

[olive ember]

its been meta for the 3/4 of a year

[opaque charm]

It make fire and big numbers

[olive ember]

since atleast march blaze trauma has been on the table

[rocky raven]

the shared blessing categories are based on the weapon title following the MK number

[north cargo]

Someone said trauma can even perma stagger crushers, so... :3

[olive ember]

since class rework its been considered definitivly better than rending trauma atleast

[summer prairie]

it can't permastagger

[lofty storm]

actual big numbers? or just "cool enemy is on fire"

[olive ember]

but I don't use damage scoreboards but people say blaze trauma does more damage

[rocky raven]

mixed horde control

[north cargo]

redning lets your team deal more damage, so doesn't benefit you? x)

[olive ember]

for me its just i blow things up, some things die to burn, I happy ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[opaque charm]

I just don't have any peril left for anything else when I'm running Assail. (I may have a problem)

[lofty storm]

incorrect

[olive ember]

rending does now

[rocky raven]

the design is you benefit the team by handling most of the horde so they can prio the bigger guys

[lofty storm]

think of rending as armour pen, brittle as armour shred

in laymens terms

[olive ember]

it used to be that trauma did 1.0x damage to carapace, so rending shockwave was useless. But now trauma only does 0.8x damage to carapace

so rending does actually benefit trauma now

[opaque charm]

By 20%?

[lofty storm]

oh talking about blessing

[olive ember]

at max

yeah

[north cargo]

Ah okay, ye was thinking brittleness stacks then

[craggy sedge]

best blessings for trauma?

[olive ember]

if you have 100% rending you do 1.0x damage again instead of 0.8x

unless I'm wrong about that

[lofty storm]

since moving to venting shriek spam i feel like i can never fit assail in any builds

[olive ember]

idk how they changed rending calcs actually

[olive ember]

if you want meta then warp nexus 4, blazing spirit 3

[rocky raven]

a bit better actually, any rending over 100% gets converted to a direct dmg Mult

[olive ember]

does it now

[craggy sedge]

ty

[north cargo]

Whats awarp nexus?

[rocky raven]

excess past 100% /4 converted to dmg mult

[lofty storm]

higher crit chance based on current peril

[north cargo]

ty ^^

[lofty storm]

blazing doesn't go to 4?

[thorn cedar]

Against armor types affected by rending specifically.

[olive ember]

nope only 3

[rocky raven]

someone link this man pygex's thesis on psykers lol

[north cargo]

how much damage is 3stacks of soullblaze? Or is the answer "depends on the enemy"?

[olive ember]

depends on armor type of enemy

[lofty storm]

done

[rocky raven]

and rending 😉

[lofty storm]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

@north cargo here

[olive ember]

Base Soulblaze Damage Values (armor multipliers not applied)

[lofty storm]

some things i disagree with, but it's a good starting point for sure

[olive ember]

thats base soulblaze damage

[opaque charm]

I take that and asshail then kill elites and cause fires and dump shriek fire on top of that

[north cargo]

ty

[rocky raven]

yup, its good to get the background info for sure

[lofty storm]

i feel like i never have to pull out assail when i have voidstrike

also you can't get psykinetic aura

[opaque charm]

Yes that's why you throw assail and then cast boolet

[olive ember]

<@&735928989146939404> can someone pin this actually, would probably be helpful

[opaque charm]

That's true

[olive ember]

thx

[lament glen]

I have absolutely no idea what I'm looking at, but I enjoy funny graphs, magic man

[olive ember]

soulblaze damage stacks

so from 1 stack of soulblaze up to 31

[opaque charm]

So kill 2 elites and cast shriek for 12 stacks?

[olive ember]

assuming the target gets hit by everything yes

2 x 3 from perilous combustion and then 6 from shriek

do note to take into account armor values tho

[rocky raven]

then stab the big crusher with uncanny 4 twice and watch that 12-14 tick become a 150 dmg tick

[olive ember]

idr soulblaze doing 1.5 vs flak but

sure

I trust pygex

[opaque charm]

I love stacking SB tbh so let me know all the various ways to do it without purg

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A4rm3Ie9WI4

[olive ember]

uh theres a couple ways but some of them are more efficient than others

[opaque charm]

I wish we still had Wrak & Ruin 😦

[olive ember]

I mean perilous combustion is literally wrack and ruin

[opaque charm]

If you kill

[olive ember]

they just changed it from having to kill with BB to killing elites in general

oh right they changed wrack and ruin multiple times

[opaque charm]

You could get stacks without a kill

[olive ember]

it used to be "kill elites with BB"

then it became "hit elitse with BB"

[opaque charm]

Nope

Yes

That was when it was King imo

[olive ember]

eh

not really, it wasn't really taken unless you really liked soulblaze cuz it was competing with warp unleashed

[opaque charm]

Observe!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzk6Sr5O2nU&

[olive ember]

anyways the most common methods rn are blazing spirit, which caps at 6, perilous combustion, and shriek

besides that theres wildfire but thats inconsistent at best, and purge staff

anything else I'm missing

[opaque charm]

Blazing spirit bad 😦

[olive ember]

That’s a take

[lofty storm]

thought i opened an 07scape pvp vid

[west fjord]

Which perk would you swap out to Maniacs to?

[west bronze]

carapace

[lofty storm]

dealers choice, id swap carapace though

[chrome tundra]

I like Carapace and Maniac on mine. Easier to deal with Crushers.

[olive ember]

I'd swap flak but thats just a me thing

[chrome tundra]

Just depends on your playstyle

[olive ember]

flak is better against flak ragers specifically

carapace better against crushers and also maulers as a bonus

[west fjord]

Divisive I see 😄

[opaque charm]

Isn't the point of ds to kill Crushers?

[olive ember]

you pretty much one shot any other flak enemy

except maulers who you hit in the head anyways

+Carapace doesn’t hit any super important breakpoints iirc so normally you take unyielding to do more boss damage and also help with ogryns

But when you are choosing between carapace and flak on ds

Eh 🤷‍♂️

[chrome tundra]

More likely than not you’ll be able to one-shot most crap if you heavy attack the head. With maniac dmg you can one shot all mutants muahaha

[frosty stone]

usable?

[opaque charm]

Why is DS so popular when Deimos FS exists?

[opaque charm]

No pierce, garbage gun 😭

[rocky raven]

mobility + really high weakspot / crit Hvy

[olive ember]

Pen is low, reload speed perk is eh, point blank is eh. I’d roll to gold just to see 2nd blessing, especially since the guns already purple, but that’s just me being a gacha addict

[opaque charm]

Imo if you wanna play Revolver play the big boy revolver

[chrome tundra]

This my go-to bad boy now

Spams nukes!

[olive ember]

Not bad not bad

[olive ember]

Also easier to use moveset since it’s just heavy spam, vs deimos l1 -> h2 which is janky in comparison

[rocky raven]

also, non-warp melee weps when wielded give fast passive peril recovery compared to warp weps

[zealous pewter]

is there a "dump stat" on voidstrikes?

[rocky raven]

no lol

[zealous pewter]

yeah that's the impression i've gotten from staves

[olive ember]

I mean there are

[rocky raven]

priority, yes. but you really want them all

[olive ember]

The usual

[zealous pewter]

what's like the one you care about the least

[olive ember]

Eh warp res isn’t that useful

You are edging peril anyways

[north cargo]

So when are lvl 500 weapons coming out?

[olive ember]

Lol your guess is as good as mine

[rocky raven]

warp res actually pretty key to edging high with sustain dps, difference between 0 and 80 is half peril cost charge balls

12/6 on cast added to peril after charge up (which charge ate mitigates)

[olive ember]

I suppose so

This is what pygex says so he agrees with you it seems

[rocky raven]

ya id prolly want that order

[lofty storm]

im guessing this person bought into "if you're struggling on malice/heresy, play damnation or auric for easier games" reddit posts

how does one even take 3k damage

[olive ember]

Idek most Damnation players are questionable

I got fucked by a silent trapper who spawned behind me

And the ogryn couldn’t revive me because of a whole 3 shooters and 4 poxwalkers and just let me die

[lofty storm]

yeah that can happen, and assuming you die thats like what, ~160 damage?

[olive ember]

And then the team wiped cuz high quality

[lofty storm]

i had a psyker the other game go down 15+ times

i can't find it

what's the name of the mission with the library at the end? you have to scan then wait for the scribe

[olive ember]

Uhhh

[harsh urchin]

Syco

[rocky raven]

arcanum something

[olive ember]

Archivum sycorax

[rocky raven]

is the map

[olive ember]

Or something like that

[lofty storm]

Found it

[north cargo]

But you kinda need to play damnation to learn, malice is different

[lofty storm]

15 downs is something else

dying to like 3 scarbs

[opaque charm]

Reddit told him to join Auric Damnation

[lofty storm]

YEP

it was my first time properly trying invis knife zealot, i heard you could throw grenade while invis, it was bugged

[olive ember]

It’s fine guys

[lofty storm]

apparently that's been fixed because i died because of it

[olive ember]

[north cargo]

Love my knife zealot wiith invis, but i think most of my usefullness comes from being able to revive people x)

[lofty storm]

if i get a few really bad teams in a row as of late ive then swapped to knife zealot

[north cargo]

If you go into damnation, because you want to solo it, you cant get dissapointing teammates 😄

[olive ember]

Must be swapping often then

[olive ember]

Maybe, but then you get your teammates whining at you for “splitting up” or “rushing ahead”

When they inevitably go down to 3 bruisers

[north cargo]

... is dying to 3 bruisers bad? :3

asking for a friend... xD

[lofty storm]

Ok relatively bad to your average damnation players

[north cargo]

i mean i get better, but still get cornered more times than i should've

[rocky raven]

spend time in heresy only using melee, learn to move more intentionally

[spice veldt]

bruisers hit hard yeah if you get unlucky

[lofty storm]

Depends, running a zone ahead and pulling a crusher patrol you can't handle, triggering boss spawn and getting netted is bad, but I'm not going to sit in a disadvantageous position fighting a horde when I can hear specials/bomber/flamer spawns that my vets are oblivious to, they are priority over helping little Jimmy with his 3 scab bruisers

[spice veldt]

just spam sideways dodges if you can, assuming you're not also surrounded on the sides

preferably do not dodge backwards against melee chaff

[lofty storm]

Bruisers as in flak armoured grunts, not maulers

[rocky raven]

oh...

[north cargo]

Ye, sure you can get better at the gaming learning to dodge, learning to kill faster etc, but being good at positioning yourself makes such a huge difference

[lofty storm]

Specifically if you already have a distance from ads

[olive ember]

Stop calling me out like that smh

I only early trigger boss spawns every uh

3/4 runs

[lofty storm]

I feel like zealots get too much hate

[north cargo]

they do? x)

[lofty storm]

I only really ever see bad vets calling them out that have lowest elite/special kills

[olive ember]

Psure I had a dome smite psyker mald at me

[lofty storm]

Do you want your zealot to take over your job and kill them, or vacuum all the ammo and shoot them

[north cargo]

(Zealot player here, im also the one running off to nowhere, attacking the gunners on the other side in melee 😄 )

[olive ember]

Tho he stopped talking when I had to carry him after rest of team died

[zealous pewter]

my wife who is the least online person ever hates zealots purely out of perceiving them as solo players who run off and die

[olive ember]

I run off and die all the time

I think the team just is too slow

[zealous pewter]

so anecdotally you can come to that position organically

[lofty storm]

Like I get the whole "peel for your backline" but I have no trouble doing that as psyker, and with revolver on vet, just shove, swap, shoot, back to melee

No value peeling for someone who ignores elites/specials and magdumps into a horde of poxwalkers instead

[olive ember]

I get impatient as zealot especially since I run a low health build that’s centered around killing stuff

[north cargo]

You too need to adjust a bit, sure the team can be slower than other teams, but then you just need to be a bit slower too

[olive ember]

So I have a tendency to run off and get trapper’ed because the sounds in this game are

Annoying

[lofty storm]

Yeah I feel that, all my most frustrating games are on zealot without fail

[olive ember]

And then I turn around and my 10/10 team is struggling with a few shooters and a poxwalker hoard

Like bro

[north cargo]

I dunno what it is about trappers, but i have so much trouble dodging their net... no idea, no issue with dogs and mutants :3

[lofty storm]

Trappers I don't talk for typically, more so diving a reaper or gunners at the end of a hallway, only to have 3 reapers on the side I didn't see blast me

[olive ember]

I can dodge trappers fairly consistently if I see them

Only problem is every other game they don’t make fucking sounds

[lofty storm]

Yeah not sure, trappers are the easiest to dodge imo

[olive ember]

And then by the time I hear them they are already firing

Trapper you have to wait a bit cuz their nets come out after the stop aim and shoot

Dogs just shove

Mutants are rly easy

[lofty storm]

Recently I've been getting hit by so many mutants, not due to failed dodge timing per say, but I feel like it's locked onto me, but it's actually locked to someone behind me, they step to the side as I dodge so it collides with me

[north cargo]

im dodging when i hear their shooting sound, but that seems to be to early

[olive ember]

Mutants are pseudo bugged I’m psure where they can just miss a grab on you if you move slightly to the left or right

[lofty storm]

Maybe that's it, it's been over the last few days, never had any issues before

[olive ember]

Normally that’s fine, it gets weird the closer you are to the trapper tho

[lofty storm]

Even during beta/launch I didn't find them that bad

[olive ember]

Are you dodging when you hear the windup or when they actually shoot

[lofty storm]

Yeah don't run at the trapper, also if you think the dodge will be tight, try sliding

[olive ember]

If you dodge during the windup that’s too early

[north cargo]

Ye, last time i played was shortly after release, was quite consistent then at dodging

[olive ember]

Wdym just zealot charge into the trapper

And simply kill them faster than they can shoot

[north cargo]

Thats my go to tactic xD

[north cargo]

Doesnt work anymore, right? since charge gets stopped by any small enemy now?

[lofty storm]

Well yeah, wouldn't be the advice id give to someone struggling to dodge them though

Charge is dogshit, feels so bad compared to vt2 charges

Just give me handmaiden charge and I'll be happy

Or y'know, THE ZEALOT CHARGE

[olive ember]

Idk I get used to it maybe

[north cargo]

loved the charge before the rework. Aim at any enemy, press f and you or on them, and when cornered just look above their head and press F for safety.. doesnt work anymore 😦

[olive ember]

uhh its kinda weird