psyker-class

[long wharf]

and everything new used to be old

[sour bison]

thats deep bro

[strong gulch]

yee

[lethal lagoon]

Not sure how to break this to you, but they buffed damage% on purg

It's pretty decent now

🙂

[fading shoal]

https://i.imgur.com/g8Y7EoS.jpg

not so bad though

[lethal lagoon]

Run it in the psych, they buffed it

It does actual damage now

[olive ember]

DAMN YOU KHLOE

wrong chat

[sour bison]

[long wharf]

burn intensity might be how quickly soulblaze is fired out

[lethal lagoon]

Altier is a great game series.

[fading shoal]

Burn is strength of damage over time (DoT)

[strong gulch]

Strange Bergade is woth $5 usd.

[long wharf]

that's the Burn stat

burn intensity is shown on the Damage stat breakdown

the value is smaller as damage is higher

[slim lily]

Do i even need to change anything>

[eager mantle]

Yea, fuck blazing spirit

[long wharf]

Blazing Spirit is memey for void staff

[lethal lagoon]

Flurry or if you have it, Surge. Blazing spirit is 🤮 on void

[slim lily]

So what should I swap that to

[lethal lagoon]

🥹

[strong gulch]

You can play around with blessing combos with that.

nexus + surge

flurry + surge

nexus + flurry

etc

[slim lily]

😄 this is my first voidstrike so

Okay!

[strong gulch]

Most damage is nexus + surge but everyone has their preference.

I don't like void without flurry.

[worthy relic]

for smite

is rapier duelng swrd better than force sword/

[long wharf]

yeah I bet you felt cringey posting that

[harsh urchin]

Not really I just dont feel like replying anymore 😂

Sent it as my flight took off

[strong gulch]

Either. Smite is more or less a CC tool.

[long wharf]

boy it sure looked like you do

[harsh urchin]

Ok let me tell you to your face then

You seem like you've only watched 5 second clips of plasma

[long wharf]

wrong, continue.

[harsh urchin]

Because getting 4 crusher one shot kills with a plasma is not something that happens outside of meat grinder

[long wharf]

it's rare, but not impossible, so wrong again

[harsh urchin]

I'll happily admit im wrong if you prove me wrong though

[long wharf]

continue.

[harsh urchin]

So feel free to clip

[long wharf]

even one-shotting two crushers with the plasma gun proves my point

but I don't want to stop your butt-chapped posting, so please go on

[harsh urchin]

Whoa changing goalposts now are we

Anyways show me a clip of 2 crushers dying in one shot in a real game

[long wharf]

you thinking that the goalpost was "killing 4 crushers in a single shot" is indicative of your lack of critical reasoning

[harsh urchin]

I'll happily admit im wrong with that as well

But you wont

Because it doesnt happen, due to several factors

You need several buffs to line up perfect as well as a specifically tailored build as well as non moving crushers to line up

Aka meat grinder creature spawner mod

[long wharf]

nope and nope

[harsh urchin]

Anyways feel free to make up another excuse instead of providing proof

[urban sandal]

not sure why this is even an argument, everyone knows the plasma gun is broken

[harsh urchin]

It is broken no shit LOL

But being able to kill crushers isnt indicative of it being broken

[long wharf]

I've run many a damnation with my plasma gun vet (who has a god-rolled plasma) and get multi-crusher/rager kills regularly there

I don't need to piss in your cheerios to prove it

[harsh urchin]

And if you're charging up the plasma

[half iron]

you do that for free?

[olive ember]

plasma gun isn't that broken im psure

[long wharf]

who's asking?

[harsh urchin]

You're already using it wrong LOL

[long wharf]

oh lord

[half iron]

i’m asking for a friend

[long wharf]

you're going the right way for a block

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/plasma-ball-in-a-vacuum-the-king-of-random-plasma-globe-tesla-coil-physics-experiment-gif-19915131

Speaking of plasma, anyone ever have those plasma globes?

[harsh urchin]

He plays heresy so the balance maybe diff

[long wharf]

$20 is $20

man you're getting sweaty over this, Dis

[eager mantle]

If you like poking crushers to death with DS4 go for it. If you like fancy magic sword (besides obscurus) go for it

[half iron]

so tempting to get one every time i feel like stepping into a spencer’s

[urban sandal]

any good vet with a plasma gun makes everyone else redundant

[strong gulch]

I want one.

[olive ember]

must not have seen any good vets then

tho randoms are uh

a different breed

[urban sandal]

[worthy relic]

whats wrong with obscurus?

[long wharf]

those things are fun until it stops looking like that

[half iron]

omg same
but too lazy to spend money on furniture/decor

[eager mantle]

Nothing really. Deimos and Illisi just better

[worthy relic]

found this - no good?

[long wharf]

eventually, the charge capacity of the gas or something in there decreases to the point where the plasma channels stop being clearly defined thin things

[urban sandal]

damage way too low

[harsh urchin]

This is correct.
However, I was shitting on him for the reason that he used the example of seeing a 5second clip of a vet oneshotting 4 crushers with plasma in the meat grinder as why its overpowered

[eager mantle]

Just take the lvl 4 blessing

[harsh urchin]

Not because I disagree with the premise that the plasma is quite strong lmao

[long wharf]

you gaslighting is hilarious

you must be an absolute joy at parties

[harsh urchin]

I stay at home and play darktide instead

[long wharf]

I firmly believe the first part, for sure

[harsh urchin]

That's why i can play at heresy+ difficulties

😹

[hearty oak]

I play at sedition

[lethal lagoon]

I struggled with sedition when I was in grade school

[hearty oak]

And you still do today

[lethal lagoon]

Some things you never grow out of

[long wharf]

you're thinking of "incontinence"

[olive ember]

Look man

malice is hard

not all of us can be epic damnation hard twins gamers

[strong gulch]

For some, you grow into that.

[long wharf]

it's more of a bookend effect

you start life, and end life, in diapers

[strong gulch]

the dream

[long wharf]

the dream is you never leave diapers?

[strong gulch]

To be able to make it to the end and have access to tools that help you.

omg words hard

[long wharf]

very

[strong gulch]

brains soft. very can't

[lethal lagoon]

Sounds like the american way.

I'd rather be my gramps who was 90 and lived alone.

[long wharf]

why is ending life in diapers "the american way"?

[lethal lagoon]

Sterotypically, us americans are generally seen as unhealthy.

[long wharf]

personally, I'd rather go peacefully in my sleep.

not screaming like my passengers.

[strong gulch]

freedom screams

[lethal lagoon]

You have the god damn american freedom to scream on your way to your fiery death

Hmm, can you use fiery like that or is it a different word.

Seems like you can

[strong gulch]

I think so.

Words hard.

[long wharf]

you're American

you can do whatever you want

American English doesn't borrow bits and pieces from other languages

it mugs them

[lethal lagoon]

You're god damn right

[cosmic sigil]

Lmao. That's kinda true.

[long wharf]

I believe the full quote is "American English doesn't just borrow from other languages. It mugs them and leaves them bleeding in the alley."

[half iron]

as it should
number one country🇺🇸🦅🦅

[olive ember]

https://tenor.com/view/freedom-america-gif-14280685

[long wharf]

needs apple pie in there

[strong gulch]

I would like some apple pie.

[near radish]

'Murica!

[tawny pebble]

I just made some apple pie, actually.

[worthy relic]

so

[tawny pebble]

Unfortunately, it has a higher probability of not being liked.

[worthy relic]

some say assail is trash

some say its great

[tawny pebble]

Because it's Dutch.

[worthy relic]

which 1 is ti

[tawny pebble]

It is absolutely bonkers at lower difficulties

[harsh urchin]

Assail gets bettee the lower difficulty you are

[tawny pebble]

deletes mobs and everything else for that matter

[harsh urchin]

So if you're playing on malice or heresy you'll oneshot everything

[long wharf]

nothing wrong with dutch apple pie

[eager mantle]

It works.

[long wharf]

though if you're actually Dutch, what you made may be significantly different from what gets called Dutch Apple Pie in the US

[eager mantle]

If you're expecting assail to be a primary you're gonna have a bad time. If you see it as a supplemental dmg you fire and forget to use melee or range primary it's pretty neat

[worthy relic]

surge staff better than voidstrike?

[tawny pebble]

On Damnation I've seen it used to decent effect, mostly the aimed version to pop ranged priority targets

[long wharf]

biggest problem with assail is that it's really not a fire-and-forget attack

[eager mantle]

Depends

[eager mantle]

You dump your shards and swap while they recharge

Pretty fire and forget

[tawny pebble]

After a few patches all the staves have their place to shine

[long wharf]

sure, but if you don't continue to guide the shards in-flight, they're going to just go off and not hit what you want them to

the only time the shards will hit what you throw them at is the secondary throw

the shards don't seek on their own autonomously

[tawny pebble]

Surge does single target well, while voidstrike can do the same it needs a headshot to really crunch 'em

[long wharf]

they attempt to seek what you're looking at

[worthy relic]

why iis this locked?

[tawny pebble]

Meanwhile voidstrike has AoE

[long wharf]

so little that it's not worth talking about

[tawny pebble]

I wrote imprecisely - the splash is absolutely not a factor, but piercing through multiple targets is

[strong gulch]

If you change two things, the other things are locked.

[long wharf]

yup, you bricked it

[fading shoal]

https://i.imgur.com/dcAW8sf.png

[long wharf]

don't bother upgrading it

[tawny pebble]

i need to grind warp nexus on purg, so badly lol

mine currently has terrifying barrage and i am suffering

[lethal lagoon]

You know when I was testing how Purg triggers PC in the pysch, I had terrible barrage, and it was pretty funny.

They would run away and huddle.

It would have of course ruin my test

Also, it seems to proc without kills

I don't remember the description and if it's supposed to do that

[hasty breach]

so theres a quell cancel tech on surge staff RMB?

[lethal lagoon]

There's a swap cancel tech

[strong gulch]

It's not supposed to do that, but fatshark tooltips and code.

[lethal lagoon]

I think you misunderstood what I said

Which tbf I type like I'm drunk

[strong gulch]

Blitz cancel. You swap to your blitz and back to surge staff to animation cancel.

[lethal lagoon]

I meant they were "terrified" by terrible barrage just on purg use

Or is that just a purg feature?

[strong gulch]

To be fair, I read like doo doo sometimes.

Now I can't remember.

[final bison]

Is this a TOP TIER PURGATUS?!

I think so

Lv 3 warp nexus and lv 4 warp flurry

Nice cloud radius nice burn nice damage nice warp resistance

Please help me choose 2 new perks!!!!

Or one new perk and a lv 4 warp nexus?

[olive ember]

you don't want infested

probably flak + unyielding or flak + maniac imo

flak + crit chance can also work

[final bison]

I was thinking + ranged crit perk for first

And +unarmored or +flak for second

[olive ember]

flak is more important than crit imo given how many enemies are flak

bruisers, shooters, flamers, maulers especially

flak ragers too

[lethal lagoon]

Okay yeah, nvm, it's a purg staff feature

[final bison]

One is definitely going to be CRIT chance

Second perk i can keep Infested or keep Unyielding (“superblindagem”

Or repurpose for Unarmored or Flak or Maniac

If i keep unyielding i can change Warp Nexus 3 for Warp Nexus 4

[strong gulch]

Thanks for checking. It was bothering me not knowing.

[lethal swan]

Dumb question: I'm back from a break and I can't seem to not explode. What the fuck am I doing wrong now? (Any staff, talens include Scrier's Gaze and Empowered Psionics)

[lethal lagoon]

The "aura of terror" on the purg rmb is pretty wide from the beam hmm

[final bison]

Im decided to make one perk be crit chance

[final bison]

Please help me decide on this comment!

[lethal lagoon]

"Use new peril-genrating ability with 0 practice" "Explodes" "Confused.jpg"

Flak is the clear winner.

For pretty much every staff

[lethal swan]

Flak what? enemies?

[lethal swan]

Not much help

[harsh urchin]

Ok

What does scriers gaze do?

And what happens if you hit 100% heat?

[lethal lagoon]

Get used to the new changes before using a more risky ability like scirer's gaze 🤷‍♂️

Or use scrier's on guns

[olive ember]

Scriers is just alot riskier compared to shriek cuz it actively builds peril

[lethal swan]

Thanks.. I'm TRYING to get used to them

[olive ember]

you just need to keep a closer eye on your peril gauge

[hearty oak]

https://tenor.com/view/operation-teapot-nuke-nuclear-explosion-nuclear-test-nuclear-footage-gif-15618232923822161090

[olive ember]

I guess my only advice is try not to use any peril activating ability above like 70 peril

[lethal lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/bedge-pepe-sleep-gif-24023312

[olive ember]

and then once you are comfortable with that you can start edging closer

so don't use any abilities past 80 peril, 90, etc. etc.

[hearty oak]

On the flame staff, is crit chance really needed for one of the perks?

[olive ember]

once you get used to how scriers build peril properly you can probably figure out how to edge peril even with scriers

[feral verge]

Not at all

Put flak and maniac

[olive ember]

its like a 10% damage increase to everything iirc if someone mathed correctly

flak is the important one

[strong gulch]

Definitely have shriek to help with oh shit moments. Idk if you use guns, but doing a low peril build can help you get back into it.

[olive ember]

and then you choose between crit chance , maniac, and unyieldling

[lethal lagoon]

The less you peril edge the more important crit chance is

[strong gulch]

A lot of people have noticeable skill drop if they don't play for even a couple days.

So a whole break is expected to have a rough re-entry.

[lethal swan]

Thank you... I was expecting Scrier's to be a bit more predictable

[olive ember]

unyielding is mainly for boss damage but it helps with bulwarks and reapers as well iirc, maniac is mainly for dreg ragers. since you aren't rly going to be purging mutants, and then crit chance is just a 10% dmg buff so general purpose

[lethal lagoon]

my ego is too big to ever notice a skill drop

[lethal swan]

Wow.. this channel used to be a lot more helpful and a lot less judgemental

[olive ember]

the peril for scriers ramps up until it hits 100

[lethal lagoon]

This channel used to be a lot less sensitive and passive aggressive too.

[lethal swan]

Ah... I think that's what I was missing

[lethal swan]

dick

[strong gulch]

I'm so used to shriek + creeping flames that I always end up hitting the scrier's button at high or max peril. lol

Skill issue on my part.

[lethal swan]

I get it now

[olive ember]

so it starts slow and the rate it builds up increases the longer you don't hit 100 peril. The ability stops when you hit 100 peril, but ofc if you use an ability while at like 97 peril you just blow up

[strong gulch]

I read eggo.

https://tenor.com/view/waffledaygifs-waffles-gif-4456651

[lethal swan]

I was hitting it low and probably just using the wrong abilities after

[final bison]

Please help me solve this conundrum! Last hadron tweak

[olive ember]

uh

you should def be taking flak before crit chance

[lethal lagoon]

Well I wasn't gonna report for the insult, but now that he blocked me.... 🤓

[strong gulch]

Yeah scrier's increases how fast it builds peril the longer you are in it. At some point you can't out quell it.

[olive ember]

you can tell when you are blocked?

[lethal lagoon]

Yes

Try to emote their comment

[olive ember]

🤔 oh right

[final bison]

I already decided not to

[olive ember]

uh

[final bison]

Need help with second decision

[olive ember]

i'd swap whatever the other perk is to flak then

warp nexus 3 to warp nexus 4 is like a 2% crit difference

[harsh urchin]

Wtf

Not blocked yet

[olive ember]

Why would I block you

[strong gulch]

Flak is the go to perk on purg.

[harsh urchin]

You guys are too lame

[lethal lagoon]

Wait, what did you say about me 🤓

[olive ember]

I don't block anyone for the most part unless they are like

[lethal lagoon]

I might need to block you

[olive ember]

full on harassing me or a scammer or some shit

[strong gulch]

It's me. I'm a cane user.

[harsh urchin]

Anybody who doesnt block me is ugly

Anybody who blocks me is ugly too

But thats besides the point

[strong gulch]

I was gonna ask

[olive ember]

we're all ugly on the inside

wait is that how the saying goes

who knows

[strong gulch]

true. puss and goo

[lethal lagoon]

Can someone put a under that guys "dick" comment for me, I feel unsatisfied.

[olive ember]

Myeh I don't like starting drama

[lethal lagoon]

[olive ember]

I love watching drama tho

[ornate hamlet]

I'd imagine when coming back and struggling with the game, I'd not be particularly inclined to enjoying someone mocking it either

[olive ember]

I love drama as long as I'm not in any part of it kekw

[lethal lagoon]

Fair, I'll just report him then 🤓

(this is a joke, please don't report non-bots, that's lame)

[gusty furnace]

new surge staff acquired

now I don't have to deal with 16% quell speed

[olive ember]

a surge staff

[gusty furnace]

[olive ember]

disgusting

[gusty furnace]

I have one of each staff

and one of each force sword

[lethal lagoon]

4% crit and war nexus tier 3 🤮

[harsh urchin]

Its not bad

[gusty furnace]

oh no 3% less crit chance

so bricked much wow

[harsh urchin]

T3 nexus and crit arent amazing but its not the worst lol

[lethal lagoon]

NGL the better a weapon is, the more those imperfections bug me

[olive ember]

anyways time to hop on zealot and queue some orthus damnation

what randos am I going to get today

[harsh urchin]

Well tbf the staff has like 3 blessings

So its relatively easy to get a 4liner

[gusty furnace]

I intentionally try to run crit chance on staff

surge staff*

same with trauma

your other choices are like. . . maniac and carapace

and meh

[olive ember]

Surge staff is like

flak + elite iirc

[harsh urchin]

Elites, maniac are both p good i think

[olive ember]

flak is obvious and than elite hits some breakpoints for rager or some shit

[harsh urchin]

You hit a more consistent gunner oneshot with elites

[lethal lagoon]

Elite is for non-buffed gunner kills I believe

Yeah

[harsh urchin]

And a more consistent flamer crit kill with maniacs

And i think it reduces the mutant kilp threshols from 4 to 3?

[harsh urchin]

I don't remember

[olive ember]

should I be afraid

[strong gulch]

Kinda depends on your preferred breakpoints. I'd generally rec flak + elites on surge tho

[lethal lagoon]

No true level?

[olive ember]

I don't use mods in general

[harsh urchin]

I use elites to help more against crushers and unyielding and gunners and ragers

[gusty furnace]

I run warp charges and deimos

I can just oneshot them with the sword

[eager mantle]

What's the problem?

[lethal lagoon]

They are all probably fresh 30s

Look at the cosmetics border stuff

[bleak tulip]

I run the default psyker one

c:

[lethal lagoon]

Also, the keychain they are using, it's for beating twin modes t4 or something.

[half iron]

i like the one that is halfway-corrupted by the not-so-cute green stuff

[hasty breach]

gunker. someone pitch disrupt destiny to me vs empowered psionics for like the utility

[bleak tulip]

there is almost no borders that mean anything and those that do dont look unique and mean nothing to almost anybody

[lethal lagoon]

I like the blue one with the psyker keychain

Double blue

[harsh urchin]

I rec DD if you'll using assail, EP if not

[lethal lagoon]

It was a limited drop back when no one was playing, so it's pretty rare.

[strong gulch]

Movement speed

dd

go fast

[bleak tulip]

when, sometime this year?

[lethal lagoon]

may I believe

[bleak tulip]

yeah I sure as shit wasnt playing in may

[lethal lagoon]

I'll screenshot it, one sec.

I don't think I was either

I jus saw the drop

[harsh urchin]

What is the drop source

[lethal lagoon]

code given out.

[harsh urchin]

I prob have it if its not too complex

Ahhh

Nvm

[bleak tulip]

shame that they dont do what some other games do and add more borders or something for "seasons" or whatever else darktide would do

[harsh urchin]

I dont do that kind of shit

[lethal lagoon]

You just put the code in the same interface where the store online app was

like the thing we used to check brunt's store with back when it mattered.

[bleak tulip]

like back when it was the only way to get items you mean?

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah

You also got a helmet, one sec I'll show it, it was a version of the beta helmet

[gusty furnace]

these are the ones I use

[lethal lagoon]

I use the hardmode one recently, but the double blue was my usual.

[bleak tulip]

I am not boredom resistant enough to have farmed the kills one

so I have literally no border that matters

[lethal lagoon]

Now if you get downed by something dumb, they'll make fun of you.

[gusty furnace]

I usually just blow myself up

only reason I really go down as pskeeker

[bleak tulip]

that and when your whole team dies to the same two crushers

[gusty furnace]

I also pretty much only use trauma staff on pskekyre

[lethal lagoon]

probably the rarest cosmetics in the game, cause so few people were playing then

[gusty furnace]

crushers are a nonissue cause I make them lay down

[half iron]

i saw a pub push a burster and get a double kill on their teammates

[bleak tulip]

oof

summer wasnt great huh

[lethal lagoon]

Oh wow it was a tight time to collect it to
Fri, May 5, 2023
10:02 AM
EDT
ENDED
Thu, May 18, 2023

6:00 AM
EDT

Also came with this

Probably the coolest part. I love me the look of a thunder hammer.

I love seeing another blue boi when I pub.

[ornate hamlet]

Though to their credit, the last 30 days saw a peak near the very start of the year

So something they did went right and, while the numbers dropped, they still are higher than most of the year

[lethal lagoon]

Man those release numbers, if they hadn't have lied and released it early access, might have a huge base atm.

[ornate hamlet]

Guys, buy the 40-dollar pre-alpha

[lethal lagoon]

12kish plus gamepass/xbox isn't bad at all though for a game like this

Meh, there's really no other game like this, most of us bought the beta knowing it wasn't finished.

The problem came when there was nothing to do really at 30

[harsh urchin]

And the mission select was ass

On launch

[lethal lagoon]

I remember when the do all t5 missions border was actually hard to get simply because the mission you needed just didn't show up

[bleak tulip]

wdym besides the guaranteed event being gone and adding auric its not really any different now

there is just more

[ornate hamlet]

They still don't want to give us a fucking lobby system

At least we can do high intensity on demand

[lethal lagoon]

If the talent trees were the official release and had the same numbers? I mean we'd be at like 40k instead of 12k, plus the gamepass bois.

I dunno, woulda, shoulda, coulda

Just sad there's no alternative honestly.

[bleak tulip]

they still woulda done the thing where they done release updates for half a year to get the console version out

so it doesnt really matter

thats how you lose players like me who do play a fair amount but arent monogamers or adjacent to that

[harsh urchin]

They actually changed quite a ton

Let me recount

[bleak tulip]

if there isnt any shakeups pretty frequently I get bored and leave

[harsh urchin]

First the mission list was completely random

So sometimes you'd get 0 damnation

Only 1-4

[lethal lagoon]

I mean yeah, I'm basically coming back from march/april.

[bleak tulip]

I dont recall that happening wow lmao

[harsh urchin]

Also the missions lasted 60 minutes on the board

Instead of 20-30

So often times you'd finish a mission

And theres nothing up except the one you just did

[bleak tulip]

and itd be there yeah

still happens now tbh

[lethal lagoon]

auric timers are longer

[harsh urchin]

Then there was also no incentive to QP

[bleak tulip]

that'd do it

[harsh urchin]

Also there was no auric

[bleak tulip]

I did note that

[eager mantle]

Yea. Lots of good games during the summer

[harsh urchin]

So if you wanted a histg

You just cri

[eager mantle]

I'd question people's sanity sticking to the game while it was early access this year with so many good games

[harsh urchin]

I mean it is one of the few

4 player games lol

[bleak tulip]

its the kind of people who can just never get bored of a gameplay loop, sometimes I wish I was like that

[harsh urchin]

Like you can play bg, and all those other SP games

[ornate hamlet]

I am a bit weird for that

[gusty furnace]

because darktide is actually good

its just uh

held back by the loot acquisition cycle

[harsh urchin]

But if you have a group its pretty good

[gusty furnace]

and premium shop

[lethal lagoon]

So many games fail at creating "weighty" combat, so it's less about addicting and more just drought.

[ornate hamlet]

Ironically, I think the crafting helps a bit

[harsh urchin]

Premium shop is very fine lol

I prefer this kind of monetization

Over battlepass

[ornate hamlet]

But also because I want to try out vaguely different shit

[harsh urchin]

Or p2w shit

[gusty furnace]

the new ogryn outfit was released a year ago for 800 aquilas

[lethal lagoon]

Tough to find a game where melee combat feels this good, especially in first person.

[bleak tulip]

dont really see how the premium shop is holding back the game besides the fact that they havent added new ingame currency weapon cosmetics since release?

[gusty furnace]

its 3x the price now for a recolor

[ornate hamlet]

So I have to make different weapons and whatnot

[eager mantle]

Oh it is. But hearing what you people put up with...lmao

[gusty furnace]

the premium shop is objectively bad

and fatshark is going all money grubbing on it

[harsh urchin]

Yeah but who cares lol

[gusty furnace]

but whatever

[harsh urchin]

Its just cosmetixs

[gusty furnace]

Its clearly never going to change

[harsh urchin]

Would you rather them go the p2w route

[bleak tulip]

its honestly pretty par for the course as far as premium stores get

[ornate hamlet]

The crafting and builds are driving me to get materials, and I get materials by playing the game

[harsh urchin]

And selling plasteel for $$

[ornate hamlet]

And playing the game is just fun

And it works well at somewhat high ping, which is even better

[calm basalt]

Remember guys, they could have clamped on mods, could have pushed harder and more unfair mtx, but they focused on delivering a high quality gameplay experience first

aside from earning weapons

[eager mantle]

I just wished I was rewarded with materials for my gameplay instead of looking for spare change while a rager wants my ass

[harsh urchin]

As long as the premium shop is cosmetics and optional and doesnt affect gameplay

[bleak tulip]

they even do the thing where they have a transparent currency purchase option that gives you a flat amount of currency per money instead of always having that extra 50 currency over etc

[gusty furnace]

well

[lethal lagoon]

"Who cares about adblockers, they are stealing money from creators. I don't care if youtube ban them"
Youtube quietly increasing prices the moment they are finished attacking ab block

[gusty furnace]

they didn't

[harsh urchin]

I'm perfectly ok with it

[gusty furnace]

[lethal lagoon]

Scummy behavior is a slippery slope

That's the reality

[gusty furnace]

It took a year for them to "focus on that high quality experience"

[ornate hamlet]

Vermintide 2 was notorious for enemies eating through my block because the ping delayed it and I wasn't actually blocking in the rat's fucking monitor

[bleak tulip]

okay but adblock still works tho

[calm basalt]

I wasn't around for V2's launch, but I was told it was much the same story there

[gusty furnace]

Release and months afterwards was a clusterfuck of unplayability error 2004 and massive performance problems

[bleak tulip]

thats never gonna be a battle youtube can win lol

[lethal lagoon]

They partially gave up and a lot of their blocks were regional

So some people didn't get blocked at all

[harsh urchin]

Idk my line is when real life money starts to affect gameplay

As long as that line isnt crossed

[ornate hamlet]

Part of why I stopped Vermintide was because it was just shit to play on the US and I didn't want to rely on playing exclusively on South America

[harsh urchin]

Idgaf about gow they monetize

[calm basalt]

Also game was like 40$ on launch

[bleak tulip]

I mean I am from the heart of europe, I did get the messages about it and then ublock jut got around it

[gusty furnace]

VT2 is p2p

not server based

[harsh urchin]

The instant the game becomes worse due to the monetization, i dip

[ornate hamlet]

I'd play very well on SA, but it was fucking miserable on US

[gusty furnace]

so if you had a group of SA friends

it should be fine

[calm basalt]

like people have played DT longer than most AAA games that are double the price

[ornate hamlet]

I mean yeah, but I can still do just fine with 200 ping in this game

In VT2 it was a death sentence

Night and day

[gusty furnace]

that's just me and my family

[eager mantle]

The cash shop isn't the most insulting thing but it does feel insulting how much the in game currency cosmetics are neglected. To get any variety you need to spend

[lethal lagoon]

My line is when content feels like it was removed from the base game, which it does in this case given the penance cosmetics are all extremely similar.

[gusty furnace]

DoD:S was my dad, Garry's Mod my brother, Darkest Hour my dad and brother and everything else is me

AAA games bad

last time they were good was Halo 3 and Cod: Modern Warfare 2(2009)

[bleak tulip]

I mean every time people complain about the cash shop I'm thinking those people dont understand that the game would be gone without it

[lethal lagoon]

It's exactly because I love this game that I want them to be better and for more people to play this game.

[eager mantle]

The good ol days

[bleak tulip]

game sales do not even remotely pay the bills

[calm basalt]

Thank you for sharing, but this seems like an excessive amount tbh

[lethal lagoon]

When I get the same people in pub queue or in LFGs it's just sad

[gusty furnace]

This steam account has been around since 2003

So uh

let that filter the gameplay hours

[lethal lagoon]

Plus more people = more money = better game

[gusty furnace]

We've had a lot of time to put in hours

we as in my family

[calm basalt]

It's literal years im pretty sure

If you add the hrs

[gusty furnace]

CS:S doesn't even track my hours correctly

[harsh urchin]

Yeah but in exchange

[gusty furnace]

cause I played it well before steam started tracking hours

[harsh urchin]

You get the update for free

My question for you is

[gusty furnace]

and it was basically all I played on PC for years

[harsh urchin]

Would you rather pay for all mtx and new weapons for $30

Or get the twins and new weapons for free

[junior linden]

health or toughness stacking if im running a wound trinket

[lethal lagoon]

I don't think finishing an unfinished game counts as free updates 🤷‍♂️

[harsh urchin]

And all the new cosmetics separately

[bleak tulip]

would you rather rebuy the game every year to get the new content?
or have a cash shop

[calm basalt]

I'm not hating but I think there might be something to consider on the amount of hours there

[gusty furnace]

toughness on psyker

health is nice

but you get enough out of the tree

[harsh urchin]

Personally I'm fine with either model

[gusty furnace]

Without toughness curios you can get uh

~120 toughness

[junior linden]

thanks puri

[harsh urchin]

But i dont think dt is necessarily in the wrong

[gusty furnace]

which is just pain when a single dreg stalker does 100 damage to you

[harsh urchin]

For having a cosmetic shop

[gusty furnace]

The cosmetic shop is fine as a theory.

Its fatshark's execution that is blatantly bad.

[harsh urchin]

Especially since you get updates like twins

[eager mantle]

I want to give fatshark more money. They just don't make me feel good with a fomo shop selling recolors at full price you may not even know had a previous run, and all the variety is only for real money with a poor selection for in game currency and rewards from gameplay

[gusty furnace]

Rehashing skins for 3x the price

[lethal lagoon]

I don't think they are wrong, but they treat us like MLM victims with their scams and reprices.

[gusty furnace]

re-releasing skin bundles for the same price with less items

They're just going full money grubber on something that could be good

[lethal lagoon]

Or when the pirate set came out, they rereleased the psyker hat for 50% more

[harsh urchin]

Yeah but if you dont like it just dont buy it lol

[gusty furnace]

complete inability to buy directly with real cash

[bleak tulip]

at this point I low key dont get the fomo thing either anymore, skins stick around for like a whole month now?

[calm basalt]

I can't see new weapons making the game more fun than it already is tbh. Only paid careers, voice packs, and maybe dlc maps. That would be the stuff I want to pay for

[gusty furnace]

instead you have to use a middleman currency that's intentionally built to have leftover middleman cash

[harsh urchin]

Have you.. played any new games in the last 10 years lol

[gusty furnace]

Fuck OFF

[harsh urchin]

This is literally how the industry works now

[gusty furnace]

wahh everyone is shit

[eager mantle]

I'd just love a all items available but rotating sales but they probably got the data the limited time sells more

[gusty furnace]

waah don't hold them to a good standard

Fuck OFF with that shit

[calm basalt]

Doesn't mean it's right

[lethal lagoon]

First, there are plenty that aren't shit. Balders Gate 3 and Remnant 2 for example
Second, those are often free to play games.

[harsh urchin]

I dont see anything wrong with it tbh

[gusty furnace]

I'm not going to be an apologetic devil's advocate for a company that's doing dumb shit

[harsh urchin]

Yeah but bg3 monetization is bad from the dev perspective lol

Obv its good from player perspective

But they couldve made 10x

[lethal lagoon]

A huge poriton of Bg3 sales came from reputation, and then it blew up through quality, that's not how it really works.

[calm basalt]

Game has AAA quality for half price on launch. Unfair cosmetic mtx is whatever. Predatory or not this game isn't for kids

[harsh urchin]

If they used modern techniques like selling cosmetics

[bleak tulip]

those shops dont work well is the problem, if there are too many options people dont spend, you can say its fomo but when it started to rotate three things for like a month I am pretty okay with it now

[harsh urchin]

Tbh after seeing blizzard fumble WoW, diablo and overwatch2 and still make millions

[bleak tulip]

and the cash shop is literally keeping the lights on

[harsh urchin]

I dont think reputation matters

As much as we think it does

[calm basalt]

Fumbles = Lost millions

[lethal lagoon]

If we are talking % profit versus cost, it's not as much as you think.

Their margins are thin, that's why they do this scammy shit

[harsh urchin]

Not fumble = also lost millions

Because ultimately bg ans remnant only made money on raw sales

[bleak tulip]

to their credit either by themselves or adhering to some legislation, DT does sell packs that are just flat amounts without the little extra that isnt enough for anything

[harsh urchin]

Compared to shitty games like destiny2

[bleak tulip]

you can actually buy the amount you want for one cosmetic iirc

[harsh urchin]

Which triple dip the player base

Forcing you to buy the game, expansions, cosmetic shop

Does it have a sub

[ornate hamlet]

I miss VT2's cosmetic purchases

[harsh urchin]

Or is that just wow

[lethal lagoon]

And how much does destiny2 cost to run and develop, they really aren't making as much as you think.

[calm basalt]

video game mtx is messed up because devs know that if they make it, people will pay for it

[ornate hamlet]

You bought it directly from Steam, and being a Steam product you were entitled to refunds during a certain period

[calm basalt]

you cant blame a competent live service game for dipping their toes

[ornate hamlet]

If a cosmetic clipped in a way you didn't like, you just asked Steam and they'd refund it

[gusty furnace]

sorta

It depends on if you buy sets, or single items.

[harsh urchin]

I actually cant think of a live service game that is better than dt to be honest

[lethal lagoon]

Destiny 2 is trading reputation for short-term profits, there will be long-term consequences, not that current investors care.

[ornate hamlet]

The packs that DT sells are still designed to be shit, unfortunately

[harsh urchin]

Most of them have shitty monetization

[gusty furnace]

Like the weapon skins, helmets and trinkets are pretty much always going to leave you with leftover shit you can't use

[ornate hamlet]

You still have leftovers

[bleak tulip]

I think the store sells 100 curency and everything costs in steps of 100?
or am I mistaken

[ornate hamlet]

In VT2 you directly bought the item and paid only the item's price

[calm basalt]

Deep rock galactic. Their mtx is purely cosmetic, no fomo

[ornate hamlet]

I think the minimum is 500

[harsh urchin]

Fair, their monetization model is quite good

[bleak tulip]

I dont really remember because it doesnt bother me personally but I saw that and thought it was fine

[harsh urchin]

Sadly their game

[gusty furnace]

and weapon skins being 700

[calm basalt]

DRG is the blueprint to a modern game done ethically

[harsh urchin]

Isnt as good gameplay wise

As dt

[gusty furnace]

the single items should all be sold for cold hard cash

with the sets being sold for aquilas

so player's don't get shafted with leftover currency they can't use

[bleak tulip]

I can only think of one game that does that

and its sea of thieves

[gusty furnace]

VT2

its literally right there

[bleak tulip]

I mean I didnt play VT2 when purchasable cosmetics come out, fair enough

VT2 was also not fundamentally built as a ive service, it just added live service features when that became the only viable way to maintain a game that long

[calm basalt]

Idk why people cant just imagine that one pack of aquilas = 1 cosmetic set. Idk why they worry about the remaining aquilas

[near radish]

Makes me wonder why they don't just make premium stuff easier to acquire, like putting in some special mission where you can earn free premium stuff without paying a single dime. Y'know?

[calm basalt]

it's just a sales tactic

[bleak tulip]

its low key just times changing, sucks but thats capitalism baybee

it sucks

[near radish]

Yuppo.

[bleak tulip]

there will always be notable exceptions but those are exceptions for a reason usually

[near radish]

(DAMN YOU INFLATION!!!!)

[bleak tulip]

like this is DRG

not even a massive thing

but had consistent playerbase fo like 3 years more or less

[steel flame]

yall think one day fatshark will figure out how to not have sucktastic servers, they been stuttering like fucking crazy this week

[calm basalt]

drg influenced this game

[bleak tulip]

and DRG had battle passes for how long now

[steel flame]

fuck battle passes

[quick tulip]

They've cemented themselves as a game that DOESN'T do FOMO stuff, as a principle

[bleak tulip]

I member when people decried battle passes as the worst thing

[steel flame]

i love drg but i still hate the free battlepass,

it actually makes me not want to play the game

[calm basalt]

if you dont like it dont think about it. it's not taking anything away from you

[quick tulip]

Anything on a DRG battlepass can be earned in-game, I literally ignore it

[bleak tulip]

well youre a minority, sadly

or not sadly, depending on how often you spent money on DRG over the time you played it

because again, game sales dont keep the lights on

[calm basalt]

I bought most of the DRG dlc

because I appreciate coffee stain

[bleak tulip]

DLC and cosmetics do

[steel flame]

i play games because i enjoy them, not because the game is activly asking me to play them more, nothing makes me want to play a game less actually. i want to get my shinies at my own pace not with some arbitrary exp system that only exists because the game isnt confident in its own ability to retain players with its gameplay

[gusty furnace]

I still hate them.

[bleak tulip]

and since DT wanted to probably avoid a "you need 15 DLC to play these missions" and didnt wanna do the thing where only one party member needs the DLC because this game isnt as popular, they gotta go ham on the store

DT also doesnt do battle passes unlike DRG

[gusty furnace]

The last thing I need is a game trying to force my gameplay hours with arbitrary goals.

[bleak tulip]

low key what do you want em to do

[gusty furnace]

Just make the game good enough to play 😭

[steel flame]

this

[bleak tulip]

weeklies

[steel flame]

weeklies i can ignore

[gusty furnace]

I've pretty much ignored weeklies in darktide after getting most of my blessings

[bleak tulip]

this week was the first time in a while I didnt do weeklies on all 4 chars tbh

[gusty furnace]

which uh

[quick tulip]

me, hunting the last tier IV blessings:

[steel flame]

they are non intrusive enough

[gusty furnace]

happened a long time ago

[proven stirrup]

delete heresy plz

[gusty furnace]

I get them done just by playing the game, collect my milk coins

and then continue playing the game

[bleak tulip]

I might not be very susceptible to premium fomo, but grinding dailies and weeklies gets me

[proven stirrup]

thank you for coming to my TED talk

Even FS can't do heresy right

[bleak tulip]

the difficulty?

[proven stirrup]

Yes

[bleak tulip]

then all the heresy nerds flood into damnation

no thanks

[proven stirrup]

That isn't the point

Heresy is broken

[steel flame]

i used to play drg every day for over 2500 hours, but when they decided they wanted to put in a battle pass, free it may be. my playtime dropped off a fucking cliff and i havent gone back since

[proven stirrup]

The operator is throwing auric level shit at heresy parties half the time

it's absurd

[bleak tulip]

heresy is a good barrel bottom to filter out the most dunning kruger players on reddit at least

[proven stirrup]

Christ

[bleak tulip]

I legit started playing damnation on like lv 24 on my ogryn because heresy was so fucking toxic and bad ngl

[proven stirrup]

Elitist nonsense aside, people aren't going to get better if this level of play is some weird filter that makes no sense.

[quick tulip]

We like Heresy. It exists as the fly tape for bad players who can't handle Damnation ❤️‍🔥

[steel flame]

if they ever do the same thing in darktide it will probably be the beginning of the end for my playtime

[proven stirrup]

ok nevermind, fuck you people

[bleak tulip]

lmao

[quick tulip]

That's why we tell them, when they ask, that Damnation is easier and the best way to learn is to play it and skip Heresy

[bleak tulip]

^

yknow maybe hes onto something

delete heresy

sink or swim

the more I think about it the more I like it

[quick tulip]

It's sink or swim siblings and by the Warp I'm flying

[calm basalt]

heresy is for lv30 chars without fully upgraded weapons. damnation is for max weapons

[olive ember]

what?

[bleak tulip]

nah

damnation is for lv 30 regardless, probably below too

at least now that auric exists

only issue is that damnation QP still throws you into hishock

where you get got at lv 24 or something

[olive ember]

it matters less now that the tree isn't so binary ig

like losing 6 points worth of a tree sucks but it isn't like "oh you just don't have 2 of your 6 nodes"

like before

[bleak tulip]

its more that the weapons are at least more likely to be at least servicable

at lv 20 something you get objectively worse weapons

[quick tulip]

The only thing that can really help people with Damnation with weapons still in the 230-280 range is tier 3 and 4 blessings, which they most likely don't have

[calm basalt]

lol no way someone who just hit first char lv 30 has god rolled weapons which they actually want to use

[bleak tulip]

and despite us "optimal build" grognards seem to pretend otherwise, you dont need an optimal build or even that many good rolls on weapons to have a fine weapon

[quick tulip]

I used a 283 combat knife with IV mercy killer and lacerate for the loooongest time on a tertiary character

[calm basalt]

283?? out of 380? damn what a troll

[bleak tulip]

the way I see it almost all weapons have a dump stat that is nearly entirely neglectable so anything at 300 can technically be good

its just really unlikely

[quick tulip]

Hence, tier 4 blessings making up for it

[lethal lagoon]

The talent tree changes made regular damn a bit of joke.

[bleak tulip]

yeah

[calm basalt]

i didnt know that tbh. I started after stat tree patches

[lethal lagoon]

I would say a new player is better off doing some grinding in t3 and then jumping into t5 when they feel ready

[bleak tulip]

regular damnation is kind of for people who are still figuring out the class (aka just got to 30)

[proven stirrup]

Thus enforcing my point that t4 is pointless

And misbalanced

[bleak tulip]

fair enough

[proven stirrup]

Something is very clearly wrong with this shit

[lethal lagoon]

t4 is where dreams go to die.

[bleak tulip]

it is unironically harder to play than damnation that much is true

[calm basalt]

t4 is perfectly fine. I go there with off meta builds or to test things

[proven stirrup]

They need to do something about it. Malice is dogshit for progression, damnation is binary in that you either always rin or always lose

[calm basalt]

enemies have less health so there's room for error

[proven stirrup]

No, it really is not

[lethal lagoon]

pre patch sure, but soloing a t4 is probably pretty easy nowadays.

[bleak tulip]

the jump 3 to 4 is apparently quite heavy now I hear

[bleak tulip]

not for us

I mean

[proven stirrup]

It's wildly inconsistent with what the game is throwing at you

[lethal lagoon]

Oh for average fresh 30 player?

[bleak tulip]

for players who wanna go from 3 to more

[lethal lagoon]

Absolutely

[proven stirrup]

and yes, it's where sub-optimal players are but it should also not just suddenly feel like you're playing t5 anyway

[static needle]

Can gloryhunter be good for psyker using old revolver?

[lethal lagoon]

No

hand cannon + crit blessing is so overwhelming good using anything else is not "good"

That said, casual game, have your funsies.

[calm basalt]

many better blessings on revolver, plus psyker has a couple of toughness regen and defence options aside from blessings

[quick tulip]

I mean...

Breakpoints are way different in Heresy?
Not that I'm saying it ain't fucky wucky in Heresy but enemies DO die faster still

The issue lies more with the Director at times which, to be completely fair, does go off the deep end even in Damnation and beyond at times

You ever have a mission go from two maulers to a pack of eight crushers and two bulwarks? Lol

[eager mantle]

Force sword with range block? Talent with using peril to block? Thanks gunner for my toughness

[bleak tulip]

its just that heresy director is apparently a big jump from 3

[eager mantle]

But that means not using my DS4

[olive ember]

I ran heresy a few times and its uh

kinda sleeper ngl

I was expecting like a supershitshow

and only like 2 of my games were standout

[eager mantle]

Regular damn feels so...calm now to me

[bleak tulip]

I mean yeah if youre used to 5 its not like that

[quick tulip]

My experience has always been "Malice but more specials and weird-ass breakpoints"

[bleak tulip]

its just the players are worse on average

[olive ember]

once you experience the shit show that is auric maelstrom or even hi 5 shock normal damn becomes a breeze yeah

[bleak tulip]

I also havent played heresy since like 13

so idk how it is right now

[olive ember]

rn how I experience the shit show is to run orthus damnation

[static needle]

how do you mean that this is getting u toughness? with warp expenditure? cause i would never recommend running that

[olive ember]

and just watch the randos crumple

[bleak tulip]

I just sometimes commit CBT on myself and read reddit so I get the common opinions from there sometimes

[olive ember]

like they don't know how to kite the bosses at all

[zinc phoenix]

I did a heresy run one morning. All 3 of my teammates were dead within the first five minutes and I quit after they all died after the second time I had to rescue all of them

[calm basalt]

heresy feels like low intensity damnation and enemies have less health

[olive ember]

smh why didn't you carry them madge

[static needle]

The toughness regen is just too low compared to the other options

[eager mantle]

Huh?

[olive ember]

enemies deal less dmg too

[bleak tulip]

this happens on damnation too far to many times than I care to think about

[eager mantle]

I just find it funny blocking bullets for toughness

[static needle]

how does blocking bullets get u toughness?

explain pls

[zinc phoenix]

Damnation at least makes sense, heresy tho it’s like how are you even getting hit there’s maybe 3 pox walkers and a single trapper 😂

[eager mantle]

Builds peril

[bleak tulip]

some of the best darktide matches I had at like 5 am local time on a weekday because thats when the giga sweats play pub QP

[eager mantle]

Have the node that replenishes toughness off peril

[olive ember]

force swords with deflector lets you block bullets, kinetic deflection lets you use peril to block. You have traits for regenerating toughness whenever you gain peril, or whenever you quell the peril you gain

[static needle]

its bad, too low gain

for 100% generated only get back 25%

compared to quietude where u get it from quelling

[eager mantle]

I know. It's just funny

[static needle]

50% for 100 peril quelled

ye is a little funny tbh

[zinc phoenix]

Deflector is bae

[olive ember]

I mean you can use both

[quick tulip]

Que no los dos? Lol

[olive ember]

and you can also block some bullets and quell while dodge sliding

[bleak tulip]

no points 😔

[olive ember]

look some people don't realize how to dodge

or block

[eager mantle]

Just need a force dueling sword with the DS4 poke

[olive ember]

for that matter

[quick tulip]

PAIN

[zinc phoenix]

I wish deflector was just a base property of force swords because when I use one of mine that doesn’t have it I try to block the gunners and then get confused when I start taking damage 😂

[bleak tulip]

I want the option not to hav to spend a point on a blitz and just get basic bitch BB that I then ignore and never use and use that talent point on something else

[olive ember]

it used to be

then they removed it

[quick tulip]

*for the Illissi and Deimos on release

[bleak tulip]

I dont care about assail, in a good match I never have to use smite and BB is still bad, (reset the "BB bad" timer)

[olive ember]

its why illisi and deimos on release had deflector built in; they were modified off of old force sword profiles

[zinc phoenix]

OIC because I know it wasn’t in the og force sword during beta

[olive ember]

basically obscures back in CBT had deflector built in. Its also why the block by default does like the force field projection thing

it shouldve been

[zinc phoenix]

No it didn’t

[olive ember]

you talking about the CBT?

[quick tulip]

Throne I do wish they would fold it into force swords but I know why they aren't

[olive ember]

or the pre launch beta

[lethal lagoon]

Mostly a meme at this point. I mean you can probably solo a low int t5 at minimum.

[zinc phoenix]

Pre launch, I skipped the other one iirc

[olive ember]

Ah im psure the CBT had it built in

and then prelaunch they stripped it off cuz haha blessings and crafting system

[quick tulip]

And it was kinda busted as hell

[olive ember]

the crafting system that didn't exist at pre launch mind you*

[lethal lagoon]

I agree with that thoery, because Illy and Deimos came out with pre-installed deflector

I think they fucked up and used commented out code or something

[olive ember]

The problem is that deflector is a utility that you don't really need, since most of the time you can just dodge, slide, and sprint dodge shots

[calm basalt]

I knew game was a shitshow at launch so i stuch to vermintide 2 until november-ish this year

[zinc phoenix]

Honestly force sword isn’t even some mind blowing weapon, it could get it and still be nice but not mandatory

[olive ember]

as well as just use cover

so deflector is directly competing with damage options for the weapon

and the fs already has worse mobility than its counterparts

[worthy relic]

what is auric maelstrm?

[lethal lagoon]

Giving the OG force sword deflector by default would revive it from the grave

[olive ember]

its maelstrom missions but auric

[lethal lagoon]

On the auric page, the big map in the middle of the mission selection.

[zinc phoenix]

A special drug that gives you autism

[olive ember]

you unlock auric missions once your character hits 30

which is uh

not enough of a requirement but wte

[calm basalt]

why even expect to win if you're playing with pubs on the highest diff.

[worthy relic]

but what is so great about it?

[ionic sorrel]

fastest way to not feel adrenaline anymore.

[bleak tulip]

funni modifiers

[olive ember]

its the hardest content in the game rn

[calm basalt]

karnak twins hard mode is the hardest

[olive ember]

is it?

idk

I think with a good team you can beat twins hard fairly consistently

its just a giant dps race

[bleak tulip]

nah you just gotta have a game play for it

[olive ember]

the moment you burn down rodin you win

[bleak tulip]

and you do it in literally like 10 minutes

[calm basalt]

good teams in pubs

[olive ember]

and with the correct build rodin transitions immediately

well yes but running auric maelstroms with pubs is also insanity

[zinc phoenix]

I went in with my gunlugger and started mowing them down

[bleak tulip]

you joke but I got really close with pubs when it came out

[olive ember]

I've beaten it twice with pubs

[bleak tulip]

now most people just dont play it in pubs I think

because why

[olive ember]

one of the pubs we did it in 2 tries

but yeah

the pubs are

uh

not good rn

you get people who can barely do normal

much less hard

[bleak tulip]

I had a few lv 34 players rope me into it

it did not go well

I just wanted to finish a weekly

[olive ember]

lmao

ik with a decent team I thought orthus hard isn't that bad

[bleak tulip]

weekly kill mission is my curse, missing 30 dudes and having to play a whole match

[olive ember]

the thing is its basically a dps race

[bleak tulip]

or throw it hard enough

isnt healthy

[olive ember]

if you can force rodin to transition fast it becomes easy as shit

because its just force rodin to transition, clear the elites/specials

rinse and repeat

[bleak tulip]

also the mines

[olive ember]

and then once rodin is down

oh yeah

[bleak tulip]

pubs dont understand the mines

[olive ember]

tho if you have a good team they just clear the mines naturally

[bleak tulip]

once you do its so much easier

[olive ember]

The first time I got a team who knew what they were doing it was such a night and day difference

like you could see them blowing up the mines and the field was relatively clear

[bleak tulip]

there is actually so much downtime in that fight where you dont do anything or have to run after one of the two and people dont use it for mines because these games dont usually have mechanics like that

so people don think like they would if this was an MMO

[olive ember]

I guess I should be glad I have ffxiv open in the background lmao

[bleak tulip]

hell yeah

clean your inventory

[olive ember]

my inventory is clean smh

I'm a free trial player I can't store the shit anywhere

[bleak tulip]

three rows isnt clean

you slob

[olive ember]

well I got a bunch of mats

for leveling my crafters

and I'll be damned if I have to go and gather them again for the sake of a "clean" inventory

also anima weapon

[eager mantle]

Feel like I should get back into FF14.

[quick tulip]

Bit more concise but

Auric refers to separate quickplay matchmaking that is full of nothing but High Intensity mission types, with a higher chance of additional modifiers like Pox Hounds, Power Supply Interruptions, Ventilation Purge, etc

Maelstrom refers to a mission that has a set of randomized modifiers that go beyond the usual basic low intensity-high intensity stuff and adds things like the aforementioned and then stuff like faster cooldowns for your ability, pox hounds AND mutants spawning in waves, a blessing applied to random enemies on spawn that makes them stronger, etc

[bleak tulip]

literally cant relate

but yeah continue

its your cross to bear as a crafter

[olive ember]

gotta get them to 70

[bleak tulip]

I quit crafting when it started to get slightly expensive because I didnt wanna do gatherer

[olive ember]

crafters are a pyramid scheme

[bleak tulip]

yeah

you get baited in by the sale prices for lv 50+ crafting gear and then you realize the whole ass supply chain needed

let alone top level bullshit for raiding

but I played on an RP server so the cosmetic stuff was always insanely sought after

[olive ember]

I started leveling my crafters cuz I wanted to do the arr relic weapon

and the arr relic weapon requires me to craft the starting weapon

and i can't buy it off the marketboard because free trial

[quick tulip]

Bless'd RPers picking gear because it's cool af

[bleak tulip]

my ass spending like 3 days running old alliance raids just for drip

[merry drift]

Ayo

[eager mantle]

Now post Hadron results

[valid sequoia]

i would sell my soul for that beautiful staff

[bleak tulip]

too late he uninstalled

[eager mantle]

Instructions unclear, here's the staff you actually get

[valid sequoia]

3 warp resistance is crazy

i got a deuling sword with 6% dmg once and i actually started laughing

[merry drift]

Watch me brick the staff with rolls 😛

[valid sequoia]

just pulled up to the commissary

what the fuck happened

[merry drift]

Im trying to upgrade from this thing so rolling ish niesh

[ornate hamlet]

"Now draw her rolling surge and carapace"

[quiet wolf]

Aight look..

I slept on staves.

I can beat the shit out of people with them...

[valid sequoia]

it's the best part

i personally dislike all the identical primary attacks but they are good otherwise

[quiet wolf]

I just played a auric with one and oh my gosh it's............

it's amazing.

[valid sequoia]

which?

fire, ball, lightning, or boom zone

[quiet wolf]

boom zone

like.. oh my holy macaroni.

[valid sequoia]

that ones good

[quiet wolf]

it's veterans plasma gun

in a poleweapon

it's literally a plasma gun

[valid sequoia]

the boom zone wrecks a lot of larger targets

[quiet wolf]

in a pole weapon

[merry drift]

Trauma force staff is actually nuts

In hordes you're pretty much untouchable by melee because you knock everything around and kill pretty much anything in the blast

[quiet wolf]

im trying it right now

[merry drift]

Shield to counter gun enemies

And like daggers good for sniping far range targets a

[quiet wolf]

is there a way to increase the staffs melee reliability

[valid sequoia]

i desperately need the sword blessing for long range block

[quiet wolf]

i desperately need a skin for the staff that has a blade on it

[merry drift]

Honestly only thing I use melee for is mutants

Otherwise I just make a boom circle around my character lmao

[quiet wolf]

i beat the shit out of the poxwalkers with the melee

and anything else i just fuck the living hell out of

[merry drift]

Staff kinda bricked but I can do some modifications to make it better :/

[quiet wolf]

dude that is op

[valid sequoia]

define bricked

[merry drift]

Yea

I can change the sustained fire blessing and a perk so it's useable tho

But like

Sads ;-;

If only it rolled some nutty blessings

[valid sequoia]

id change the 2nd blessing

to some increased damage for something you anticipate using it on that you need more damage for

like maybe flak or carapace

[merry drift]

Yeah

Brittle is useless I think from what I read

So I'm gonna avoid that blessing probably

[valid sequoia]

i have a lightning rod and the perks are flak and carapace because thats what i mainly use it for

[merry drift]

Terrifying barrage isn't terrible but not my ideal

[valid sequoia]

anything is sword or smite

[merry drift]

I one shot unarmored and most infested naturally

So it's not bad for that

Might roll like crit range chance to carapace?

[lethal lagoon]

There are several builds that can make up for pubs being bad. And the game simply isn't hard enough for pubs to really matter if you are good enough.

[merry drift]

Perk one Idk which one to change

[valid sequoia]

id say keep the crit because its a generally useful lassive benefit

[junior linden]

just tried gunker

[merry drift]

Yeah

[junior linden]

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-frank-oh-my-god-i-get-it-gif-22328165

[valid sequoia]

8% is not much of an increase compared to the teir 4 for flak or carapace

[lethal lagoon]

Bricked, change both blessings.

[valid sequoia]

what gun did you use

can someone please explain what bricked means

[merry drift]

Bricked is like ruined

Basically

[lethal lagoon]

it's been hit with a brick, it's run into a brick wall

[valid sequoia]

ok that makes sense

[lethal lagoon]

So broken

[valid sequoia]

i figured