psyker-class

[olive ember]

I forget exactly how it works cuz no one tested it

[north cargo]

slightly more neat then ty ^^

[olive ember]

At one point it was claimed that you had a 10% chance to get a warp charge if an enemy died while it was on fire by anyone

[rocky raven]

i believe bleed dots on a blazed mob will also proc in your favor iirc

[north cargo]

trauma was the explosion staff and blazing the soulburn on crit?

[olive ember]

Blazing spirit is 3 stacks of soulblaze on crit

And yeah trauma is explosion staff

[north cargo]

trauma good? currently looking for one

[rocky raven]

definitely needs to die from your dmg / dot / bleed dot based on my testing or no proc

(bleed doesnt have to be yours tho)

[gloomy magnet]

no more zola😭

[north cargo]

bleed dagger, plus purge staff: AAAALLLL THE DOTS MWAHAHA

Whos zola?

[rocky raven]

havent tried blaze trauma enough hows it compare to classic flurry splosion (flurry/rending)

[grizzled minnow]

[olive ember]

People say blaze trauma is meta and flurry trauma is a downgrade or wte

[gloomy magnet]

zola is that girl whom you stabbed at the beginning

[olive ember]

But tbh I mostly use blaze trauma so I never rly compared the two

[granite mauve]

you unstab zola

[gloomy magnet]

antistab

restab lol

[north cargo]

There was a girl in the beginning? just remember my trusty shovel and me being heroic...also still salty that not all the classes have the shovel

[gloomy magnet]

based

[plucky flax]

Wait shit

[olive ember]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-ballin-mars-bars-gif-19910027

[plucky flax]

Blaze trauma bad xd
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1058137608535932929/1190687488742793256/image.png?ex=65a2b523&is=65904023&hm=520e002e6aa57fa7fa40af3db84c485d477c64cb617e67606392382fa96329b6&

[north cargo]

hehe well to be fair any AoE weapon usually has good overall damage... i think... at least thats how it was in vermintide: Flamer = most damage dealt

[plucky flax]

Tru

Flamer is op

Purga is much weaker the range is not as big.

And burn does more damage than soulblaze.

[olive ember]

Buff purge and give me a rending on crit blessing thx

[plucky flax]

Dunno how regular fire is stronger than warp fire but okay.

Muh immersion.

[olive ember]

It’s cuz I complained loud enough to get warp fire buffed

[north cargo]

If the game was lore accurate, everyone would be using the bolter ^^

[olive ember]

You are welcome

[north cargo]

wait...whats warpfire?

[olive ember]

In all seriousness it’s cuz when they nerfed burn damage to nerf specifically zealot flamer

[rare mesa]

fire from the warp

[long wharf]

Nah, she'll be back

[olive ember]

They fucked over psykers

[plucky flax]

Plasma is stronger than bolter in lore and in this game.

[olive ember]

Cuz 6 stack shriek couldn’t kill shit

So they separated the dot values so soulblaze does more now

Tho it ticks slower still

[north cargo]

wait...zealots flamer is good?

[rare mesa]

yes

[north cargo]

i mean against more than hordes?

[olive ember]

I don’t like it but objectively it’s good

Zealot flamer can kill crushers if you use the armor strip

It’ll kill everything else without it

[plucky flax]

Good against everything but carapace. But then you press f and it kills carapace too.

[zinc phoenix]

It’s funny that psyker best flame staff is trauma

[north cargo]

its fun, but im not using it when playing "serious", so slow to take out

[plucky flax]

Chastise makes sense.

[north cargo]

what f?

[zinc phoenix]

I love trauma now, it’s like being an FSO

[olive ember]

Chastise on zealot gives armor strip

[rare mesa]

chastise the wicked aka the dash forward buffs range attack

[plucky flax]

[north cargo]

chastise? only played that for 100hours...xD

[olive ember]

So it damages crushers as if they were wearing flak armor

[zinc phoenix]

Dropping 155mm mind shells on targets of opportunity like 😎

[north cargo]

ah thanks ^^

didnt know zealots charge did armor strip :3

[plucky flax]

It's op against crushers.

You can kill it with a pea shooter.

Just zealot logic.

[north cargo]

on my zealot currenlty using dagger plus invis, just oneshot them from the butt area

[zinc phoenix]

It’s funny seeing the smart zealots with like col IAG and chastise shredding all the heavy armor

But also kind of annoying that it works

[plucky flax]

Me not a smart zealot cos I run double bleed knife.

[zinc phoenix]

😂

Stealth too probably

[north cargo]

WOOOOOOO best 😄

though just switched the bleed on crit to 100% rending from behind

[late night]

the power of faith

[olive ember]

Look fatshark has confirmed that this is intended behavior

Why?

Who the fuck knows

[north cargo]

only switched to stealth since chastise doesnt let me go through mobs anymore 😦

[zinc phoenix]

You simply need to chastise harder

[north cargo]

why did they nerf that anyway? x)

[zinc phoenix]

Honestly I kinda hated that chastise yeeted me thru mobs because I wanted to just stay put and mash m1 + f constantly

[long wharf]

Because they had just enough self-awareness to realize they didn't know how to fix it

[rare mesa]

just end chastise early wut

[zinc phoenix]

Never

[olive ember]

Perhaps

[rare mesa]

you never had to yeet through if you didnt want to

[zinc phoenix]

Need the full reee for maximum power

[north cargo]

Used to be, if you look at a mob you dash to them, but if you look up in the air, you went just stright through everything, was really fun to use

[zinc phoenix]

Anyway purgatus sucks

[north cargo]

im having fun with it ^^

[zinc phoenix]

Damage is meh and there isn’t enough stagger to prevent ragers rolling up and daring to touch you

Which never happens with based trauma

[plucky flax]

Purga is when you want to chill out and turn brain off.

[north cargo]

You running brain burst?

[plucky flax]

It's the easiest staff to play for me.

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah for sniper and dog hunting

[north cargo]

thne use that against ragers ^^

[zinc phoenix]

Lmao

You’re kidding right?

[north cargo]

VEEEERRY effective... though havent done much damnation

[zinc phoenix]

Sure lemme tell the mob of 30 ragers to hol up while I bb one at a time

👌

[north cargo]

brain brust + empored -> group of ragers dead before they can get their second swing :3

okay... i was tzhinking "group of 3-5 ragers..." XD

[zinc phoenix]

You’re welcome to try it, I will have fun laughing at the smear left by the rager horde 😂

[north cargo]

ragers are the berserkers, right? or am i thinking of something else?

[sonic coral]

Does dumdum still apply to assail?

[zinc phoenix]

Yes they come in nude and flak armor variants

And then there’s crushers which trauma tosses around like little babby on shoulders

Meanwhile purgatus trying to broil them slowly while they walk up

[north cargo]

I did not know there were different variants.... only 160 hours cough xD

[north cargo]

REAAAALLY need to get myself that trauma staff i think ^^

[zinc phoenix]

Go to meat grinder and try out the various stuff and see all the enemies

Learning where to shoot/hit what for big domage and how to recognize the baddies is important

Also lets you figure out what attacks will stagger/kd what

[limber silo]

Maybe if you throw faster enough and whip out the gun

i don't see why not

[zinc phoenix]

You’d honestly have to test that one, I wouldn’t go off guesses in here

[rocky raven]

laughs in voidballs

[sonic coral]

🙏

[north cargo]

did they ever set meatgrinder so let me set my health, or let enemys attack? testing attakcs is fine and all, but testing some damage reductions would be neat (plus zealots martyr thingy)

[zinc phoenix]

Man I just do not like void, I try it several times and it feels like the balls have half the hit box of the image. Like until you hit something the balls are wee and then they swole up for a bit to honk some stuff

I took it on an auric damn histg and while I liked being able to long range level stuff I missed having the massive control of trauma

[olive ember]

There’s two main enemy factions in the game, scabs and dregs. tho some enemy variations only exist for one

Most common example are probably scab vs dreg stalkers

[zinc phoenix]

I always mix up whether scab is yellow or black

[olive ember]

But only scab shooters exist

Scab is black

[rocky raven]

Surge + Nexus and Flick your cast, the 2nd ball is slightly delayed and you can split their trajectories as needed for coverage

[olive ember]

I just think scab = hard -> metal armor

Dreg = hobo -> yellow rags

[zinc phoenix]

Or I can just level a grid square with trauma bombs

[azure bridge]

does toughness regeneration speed have an effect on the toughness restored via the peril talents?

[zinc phoenix]

Yes

All sources of toughness

[azure bridge]

oh wow thats stronger than I thought

[olive ember]

What?

[zinc phoenix]

I run it 3x with 3x hp curio

[rocky raven]

I believe it's only the passive gen

[olive ember]

You mean curio perk?

[zinc phoenix]

Yes

[olive ember]

Toughness regen speed is just passive regen

Like coherency regen

[zinc phoenix]

No

[olive ember]

I’m pretty sure it is you are the first I’ve seen say otherwise

[zinc phoenix]

Puri showed it

It’s all

[olive ember]

@gusty furnace proof?

First I’ve heard of it so I’d be surprised if just no one has tested it up to now

[azure bridge]

@gusty furnace also interested in the answer to toughness regen curio affecting toughness generation via peril

[north cargo]

Also why 3 HP Curious? should you get more toughness?

[gusty furnace]

wat

[olive ember]

Toughness regen speed on curios affect all toughness regen

[gusty furnace]

no

its just coherency

[olive ember]

… I’ve been lied to

[gusty furnace]

and its iffy wishy washy in the talent tree

whether something affects coherency regen or all sources

[north cargo]

traitors, all of them, lets purge!

[gusty furnace]

its why its bad on everyone but ogryn

ogryn can get ~13.3 toughness per second out of coherency regen with all his sources, including curios

regular humans will get like

4

[olive ember]

Just ogryn things

I’m surprised ogryn toughness hasn’t been nerfed tbh

Isn’t it like stupidly tanky

[gusty furnace]

fatshark's on vacation

[olive ember]

Anyways just wanted to clear that up thx

[north cargo]

its supposed to be, right? they are my meatshield... i mean friends

[azure bridge]

tyvm puri

[gusty furnace]

ogryn gets 66% TDR

like

[olive ember]

I mean yes but also it’s straight up stupid like

[gusty furnace]

as baseline pretty much

[olive ember]

Hit trade rager packs and win stupid

[gusty furnace]

3x 10% TDR from three talents

36% from being an ogryn

then there's. . . 4? more procable TDR nodes

[olive ember]

Ik ogryn can eat a sniper shot and live

[prime elk]

atheneum recommends toughness regen speed as S tier 🤔

[gusty furnace]

so ogryn can float around ~95% TDR

[north cargo]

Ah...Also higher base toughness rigfht? i got 3toughness on my psyker and still just barely got over 100

[gusty furnace]

its really fucking stupid

and massively overtuned

[north cargo]

ohhhh waaaant 😄

[olive ember]

Uhhh that’s one of the… debatable parts of the guide

[prime elk]

ogryn is silly but somehow i don't mind

[olive ember]

Pygex seems to play a lot more passively than me tho

[gusty furnace]

I regen my toughness by killing things with my trauma staff

[olive ember]

Like in his guide he basically goes “you shouldn’t be getting shot by gunners for extended periods of time” and “you shouldn’t be engaged in melee constantly” which are uh

[gusty furnace]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[north cargo]

i dunno why, but always love having an ogryn in my party, allways seems to just go smoother

[plucky flax]

I play with 3x toughness regen on psyker, zealot, and ogryn.

[olive ember]

Idk why ogryns should be the easiest class to play

[north cargo]

laugh in meleeeing all gunners as zealot xD

[olive ember]

But then every other ogryn I meat can’t deal with more than 2 maulers

[gusty furnace]

its not even that

they're just stupidly overtuned

[jolly raptor]

if veteran was easy it would be called psyker

[olive ember]

Well yes that’s why they are easy

[plucky flax]

Psyker is easiest if you just spam smite the whole mission.

[olive ember]

You take a gun lugger ogryn that still has as much survivability as a zealot

And light the place up and win

[olive ember]

…

[plucky flax]

[olive ember]

Idk the amount of smite psykers I’ve seen who die whenever 3 bruisers get close to them

[plucky flax]

Should have anticipated them and charge smite sooner.

[north cargo]

Since we are in the psyker chat... Last time i played it SEEMED like veterans were the "best" class (not the only viable, but just most damage, best crowd control, insane regen plus some support)... I just got my vet to 12, so cant say much but just comparing vets talents to my zealot or psyker... kind ajealous x)

[jolly raptor]

are you high

on marihuana

[plucky flax]

Xd

[untold widget]

I wish I was high on potenuse

[olive ember]

Eh since class rework ogryns have been best

Cuz overtuned as shit

[plucky flax]

Not at solo clutching imo.

[north cargo]

Ogryns deserve it, vets keep stealing my kills xD

if anyone says "skill issue" imma smack them... and cry because they are right, but still :p

[sonic coral]

Spotted in the wild: someone bringing a surge staff with 6% warp resist to auric mael

[rocky raven]

oh lawdy

[olive ember]

Warp res on surge staff is fine

Oh wait you mean the stat

I thought you meant warp charges

[sonic coral]

nop lol, the stat

[rocky raven]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-make-my-explode-head-mad-gif-14261446

hmm is columnus IAG swap speed fast enough to assail weave, or use something snappier like shredder

[zinc phoenix]

I’m pretty sure you’re trolling here but you run smite with trauma? Seems really close range oriented

I’m honestly curious what that build would look like

[plucky flax]

Where did you get it I run smite and trauma?

[zinc phoenix]

Through the power of stupid obviously

Me dumb

Which I think in 40k means me strong

[plucky flax]

I'm not a smite spammer but when there's 1 in the team it makes the map go a lot smoother.

Just because all the enemies be dancing.

[near drift]

I appreciate smite in concept but every time I use it I feel like I may as well take a nap for how little I'm doing for gameplay

[flint plover]

i feel like it almost trivializes the run

its so fun tho

[plucky flax]

Yeah I don't like to play it for that reason.

But I appreciate it when there's a smite spammer on the team.

[hearty oak]

I think its the opposite. I think it makes people think they can get away with smiting the whole match when there comes a time when they need to show their actual DPS

[plucky flax]

Protect the smiter. They die to a single poxwalker on their back.

[rocky raven]

yea i stopped using it for the most part; the 2 builds i have it active on still it rarely comes out save for a quick knockdown burst on a res

[near drift]

https://youtu.be/zYStJMX5-Qo?si=pQYHUU2sOHYQ_hxa

[rocky raven]

those PUGs where the shield ogryn hugs your butt while you dance at 90% peril spam casting
https://tenor.com/view/simple-jack-simple-jack-happy-tropic-thunder-you-make-me-happy-gif-16010116

[plucky flax]

Aaaah protect me I am a magic caster aaaaaaaaaaaaaa bad team

[olive ember]

Why are you guys rushing ahead

[plucky flax]

y a u slow

[bleak tulip]

come kill the things I am stunning just for youuuuu

I can't hold it much longerrrr

[long wharf]

uh, using teammates as meat shields is key to psyker survivability

psykers can do all their warp stuff through teammates just fine

therefore, teammates are for blocking shots

[bleak tulip]

oh so that's why they keep dying and I have to save them

they take that role very seriously

[long wharf]

as well they should

[zealous pewter]

is there any actual meta way to run a lasgun as psyker?

i got a god rolled MKIV lasgun with all the weakspot blessings/perks

[plucky flax]

Do whatever you want as long as you have fun and win.

[prime elk]

just do gunker

[near drift]

click heads and don't not click heads

[zealous pewter]

what's that look like for talents? and is it actually a thing?

like in testing with just a whatever build i throw together it seems like it sucks really bad

[prime elk]

it's actually a thing yeah, and very powerful, though people usually run columnus iag or something

you take scrier's gaze

[zealous pewter]

i think i'll need a macro or something to do it with the MKIV

[prime elk]

just use the full auto mod

[zealous pewter]

you have to fire that thing insanely rapidly

i'm on console unfortunately

[prime elk]

ooooof

[zealous pewter]

yeah so basically controller or mouse hardware mod

[plucky flax]

They should add auto fire as an accessability feature.

It's stupid to play laspistol or fast firing las rifle without it.

RIP finger.

I also use auto attack mod for the knife.

[zealous pewter]

yeah the APM on it is silly for such a long match

[sonic coral]

laspistol 2 with scrier rocks

[zealous pewter]

nice, thanks

[ornate hamlet]

damn you went completely right

[zealous pewter]

the new laspistol on my veteran is crazy, the DPS beats like anything

[eager mantle]

Any other way? If I'm bringing a gun I'm going scriers

[zealous pewter]

one shots flak armored gunners

[ornate hamlet]

scriers is kind of meh iin my opinion

you should just use disrupt destiny

and shield

[eager mantle]

No I'm gun psyker, not bubble boy

[ornate hamlet]

literally makes it so you cant use bliitz or any warp weapons

[thorn cedar]

only true if ur a pussy

[eager mantle]

Yea. Throw the assail shards during sciers. I do it

[ornate hamlet]

nah its just dumb

i think they need to make it more of a rage mechaniic

idk

[thorn cedar]

im doin scriersDDvoid just fine

[ornate hamlet]

it doesnt do enough for me to see it as effective

a shield protects your whole team and the vent spreads fire to a huge horde

scriiers just is like

WOOOO KILL THINGS

WOOOOOOO

[eager mantle]

Sciers good. Shield also good but if I'm using a gun I'm gonna lean harder into dmg because that's what it's for. If I'm going shield it's gonna be a normal staff psyker

[ornate hamlet]

youd just do well with disrupt destiiny

[eager mantle]

Yea. You kill things very effectively. You dmg monstrosities very effectively.

[ornate hamlet]

idk why it does two i's btw it just does that sometimes

[eager mantle]

Disrupt destiny is not instant crit chance, dmg, movement speed and period generation while using a gun

[prime elk]

yeah that should be a thing, and auto swing too. it's literally just a QOL feature. if anything, auto swinging puts you at a disadvantage

[eager mantle]

Yea it's weird. I don't have the auto mod but it's funny they made helbores techincally full auto

[static needle]

For dealing with hordes, which DS is better?

[ornate hamlet]

Scrier's gaze is executioner stance for psyker

Except it works for melee too

[spice veldt]

make scrier's gaze give stun immunity and +100% impact pls

[hearty oak]

Is there any saving this?

[long wharf]

well... sort of?

you definitely don't want Terrifying Barrage

but you also don't want either of those perks

[hearty oak]

I know that

It hurts

[long wharf]

replace specialist damage with ranged crit chance

replace terrifying barrage with warp nexus

and cry, I guess

[zinc phoenix]

No way, he should keep the specialist damage over infested

[long wharf]

but 25 > 10

[hearty oak]

🥹

[zinc phoenix]

Infested is entirely useless on surge, you will legit never use it on those targets

[long wharf]

buh, brainfart

I mean, seriously, that staff hurts to look at

[zinc phoenix]

I honestly think it’s fine in most play

[hearty oak]

If anything, its just gets me the T4 of warp flurry

[long wharf]

sacrifice it to the Omnissiah armory

[zinc phoenix]

I would use it 🤷‍♀️ with crit chance in for infested and nexus for barrage you’ve got a solid staff

[hearty oak]

Too late, already shredded it for the blessing

[zinc phoenix]

Plus you don’t want warp resist on surge you want more peril

[long wharf]

not having +flak or +maniac is painful

surge isn't in a good place right now, IMO

[zinc phoenix]

You’re not zapping them with surge you zapping specialists

[long wharf]

you zap gunners as well

[zinc phoenix]

Meh I’m charging gunners with illsi when using surge

Or peril stacking into a shriek

[long wharf]

I'm not charging gunners ever as a psyker

if you're already in melee range, that's one thing

[zinc phoenix]

Deflector with kin d means we eat gunner for breakfast

[long wharf]

charging across a room when you have a ranged option is, frankly, stupid

[zinc phoenix]

Surge isn’t a range option shit has terrible range

And surge smite in melee range is beastly

[long wharf]

if the gunners are outside the range of surge, they're outside the range for charging with Illisi in hand as well

[zinc phoenix]

It’s rare you’re in a situation where you can’t use deflector to go cover to cover and get on them

Esp when you can knock over the mob with shriek before diving

[long wharf]

running across the map waving your melee weapon and screaming as a psyker is Doing It Wrong (tm)

[zinc phoenix]

Or smite em a couple times

So they all fall over

[long wharf]

if you can go cover to cover, you can do that until you can surge them

[zinc phoenix]

Could not disagree more

[long wharf]

there's no reason you can't surge and kill while you close the distance

[zinc phoenix]

Surge is really bad at killing gunner mobs

[long wharf]

and because you're going to be critting with the surge, you're going to have ranged immunity anyways (or should)

surge is generally bad right now anyways?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[zinc phoenix]

Empathic evasion or w/e is more reliable with trauma imo

But yeah that does help

[long wharf]

nah, surge staff has higher base crit than trauma

it can reliably crit

[zinc phoenix]

Surge is good actually, but as a way to charge up your peril for shriek spam

[long wharf]

you can do that with Illisi far better than with surge staff

[zinc phoenix]

And snapshot special

[zinc phoenix]

Especially if you charge the gunners mob with deflector for more peril

[long wharf]

I use surge to target specials/elites in groups in order to cause soulblaze

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah that’s valid

[long wharf]

but I also don't run surge for serious runs, either

[zinc phoenix]

I typically close to range, smite for 4 count to get the knockdown, maybe surge a couple fancies for the fire, shriek when everything stands up and then it’s sword time

The amount of fire and knockdown is very nice

[long wharf]

yeah, smite is good for putting things on their asses for sure

I don't usually use smite, either

[zinc phoenix]

The people who literally just hold down smite make me so confused 😂

Like, the whole point is massive stagger on the quick

[long wharf]

especially when they sit back away from a chokepoint and use it to prevent the horde from funneling in

that makes me shake my head violently

[zinc phoenix]

Drives me mad

[long wharf]

it'd be less of a problem if smite did actually decent damage

but it does not

[zinc phoenix]

I did a run with trauma and the other guy was smite/bubble/gun and kept just holding the pox walkers far apart

I was losing my mind because obviously trauma lets you infinity cleave

[long wharf]

I'd like to blame xbox players for using smite wrong, but frankly it's been across the board

if I see a psyker with smite, I generally expect them to use it wrong, period

[zinc phoenix]

😂 you’re not wrong

It’s definitely a low skill floor high skill ceiling tool, lotta opportunities to fuck over a team with it

But the control you get from it is very very nice

[long wharf]

I'm not sure smite really is high skill ceiling at all

[zinc phoenix]

Compared to other psyker options in that tier?

Assail isn’t exactly working the gray matter

[long wharf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

nothing in that tier is "high skill ceiling", really

[zinc phoenix]

Fair

[long wharf]

smart use makes all of them good in their niches

but none of them require "high skill" to get the most out of

[zinc phoenix]

I guess I mean relatively speaking g

Executioner stance is the one F skill that has me sweating tbh

[long wharf]

that's a high skill ceiling ability

[zinc phoenix]

Unless I use it to bolter whre

[long wharf]

I've seen less and less use of it lately, too

[zinc phoenix]

“Press f to draw your gun and instantly delete stuff”

[long wharf]

I used to use it with plasma gun

[zinc phoenix]

IMO not the best fit because you already have such nice damage and draw speed

[long wharf]

but giving the entire team all toughness back + 50 is too good

[long wharf]

I used it to know where all the targets were behind cover

[zinc phoenix]

While bolter draw time is awful and everyone uses it to mag dump the bolter anyway

Oh yeah the aoe radar is nice

[long wharf]

that's the only reason I used to use it

[zinc phoenix]

I swapped it out for dead shot in all my ranged builds because you can dip for that with VoC and then grab all the good melee traits

[long wharf]

now, when I start a mission with pugs while on my veteran, I tell them "you ping 'em I ding 'em"

[zinc phoenix]

And still get a very nice damage boost

[long wharf]

I absolutely love using the plasma gun, it's so satisfying to use

it sounds good, it feels good, it kills well

and with the ammo aura, VoC, and ranged bonuses, it slaps so hard

literally don't use anything else the entire run if I can avoid it

[zinc phoenix]

I switched to a wacky vraks7 build because I got bored of how good plasma is 😂

[glossy ember]

just crit bro ez one shots

[sacred crane]

what is by far the most powerful melee that psykers can use?

[glossy ember]

knoife

[long wharf]

"powerful" is too vague a term

many, many weapons are excellent in certain situations

[sacred crane]

i mean like, overral good weapon because idk what force sword or rapier to use

[proper osprey]

Mark vi dueling sword, demos for sword, or lissis force sword

[proper osprey]

What blitz do you use?

[sacred crane]

smite

[long wharf]

for heavy hitting, mk4 dueling sword or deimos force sword, for hordes/crowds go with illisi force sword

[proper osprey]

You’d want single target for your staff, but probably something with horde control so I’d go with illisi

[long wharf]

more importantly, as psyker is inherently more ranged focused, choose the melee weapon that compliments your ranged weapon/playstyle

pysker can easily cover many bases, like crowd control, heavy single target, etc

[proper osprey]

For my smite I run surge staff with illisi

[proper osprey]

I see stupid siblings running purgatus or trauma with smite and assail

Or brain burst with surge

[plucky flax]

Best build.

[proper osprey]

Fr

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-sheev-palpatine-unlimited-power-power-force-gif-5073064

[sacred crane]

I've been personally running smite, voidstrike and deimos

[proper osprey]

I main brain burst though

[proper osprey]

Void strike is good it has horde clear

And your sword has high single target

[proper osprey]

Have you tried illisi with bloodthirsty?

Infinite crit

And with blazing spirit?

[plucky flax]

I tried it but it's really bad.

Not for my playstyle.

If I do meme sword I use shred.

[proper osprey]

Gonna send you to my beloved

[proper osprey]

Why shred? It doesn’t stay active long enough for it to have good upkeep

[plucky flax]

It's really easy to keep it during horde.

[hearty oak]

Does true aim affect the surge staff?

[plucky flax]

Or even against monsters too.

[proper osprey]

So is bloodthirsty

[proper osprey]

[plucky flax]

Yeah but as I said for my personal playstyle I don't special spam only.

[strong gulch]

Shred keeps blazing spirit up more than bloodythirsty. Too many crits and illisi specials kills things.

[plucky flax]

I do a lot of light attacks inbetween.

Also above^

[proper osprey]

I do too

[plucky flax]

You don't put stuff on fire if you kill them.

[proper osprey]

[plucky flax]

So if you want to meme you have to not use specials too much.

[proper osprey]

I love spamming my special

I have shred available for mine I’ll try it

Still can’t get tier iv deflector

I’ve gambled so much

Really wish they would take the limiter off crafting

[limber silo]

How am I supposed to build Surge? It just seems like a garbage staff

No true breakpoints because of damage being random, doesn't do enough damage to kill tougher enemies consistently, doesn't hit enough enemies to be useful in hordes, am i doing something wrong?

[long wharf]

damage isn't random any more

and nope, you're just suffering the current iteration of the surge staff

it's really not good right now

[plucky flax]

Deflector is good that you don't need t4.

My deimos has t1 deflector.

[strong gulch]

Damage has always been random. There there has always been a upper and glower cap of damage rolls.

Where surge hits is no longer random.

[long wharf]

also, deflector only reduces block cost against ranged attacks, not against all attacks

[long wharf]

uh, damage is a set number

there's no RNG on how much your attacks are dealing

[limber silo]

are you sure, because I just had a variance of about 600 - 900 damage with no warp rider

[long wharf]

it's all base damage vs armor type vs warp resistances affected by any buffs you have going

Darktide does not do RNG damage

[willow hazel]

both of those are fine

[proper osprey]

Warp nexus and warp fury

[long wharf]

the day FartShack adds RNG damage rolls is the day I stop playing Darktide

[strong gulch]

Surge is more of a special killer than anything else. It is fast and you don't have to aim. LMB can do a lot of suppression and even a decent job at thinning hordes.

It's a single target weapon that needs to be paired with other things to help its weaknesses. (less so with trauma and void).

[proper osprey]

Why have a single target staff, a single target blitz, and a single target sword?

[long wharf]

"you don't have to aim" - surge is vastly more effective if you do aim, as you can pick the primary target by aiming at it

[strong gulch]

Not on surge. There's weird different rolls that it has always done.

[willow hazel]

grab all the CDR and use Creeping Flames/PC for horde clear. Just focus specials and be mobile

[limber silo]

What is your proof of this, because all of my testing is contrary to that

[long wharf]

surge does damage on a number of ticks before it's bigger damage

[limber silo]

okay, the ticks are the same

[strong gulch]

This is true. You can pick out the high priority targets. I should say that aim is forgiving.

[long wharf]

my proof is nearly 900 hours of playing Darktide, maining Psyker since open beta, and doing a shitton of testing

[limber silo]

what about the actual damage

[willow hazel]

Assail destroys gunners and kills specials at long range, that covers most of the bad parts of purg

[long wharf]

Darktide simply doesn't do RNG damage rolls.

[limber silo]

OK, so no proof at all

[long wharf]

lol okay buddy

[willow hazel]

Has anyone figured out the range?

[long wharf]

breakpoints wouldn't be a thing if damage was RNG

[proper osprey]

Assail is poopy because it got nerfed into the ground! Use smite!

[limber silo]

I can play any game for 1000+ hours and not know shit. I mean actual evidence with code or some official statement

[long wharf]

because you couldn't rely on hitting breakpoints

I firmly believe you could spend 1000 hours and not learn shit, yes.

[proper osprey]

Assail nerf should be reversed

[strong gulch]

It's me.

[limber silo]

oh wow, I believe @long wharf because he clearly knows how the weapon is programmed because he plays bideo gain all day

[long wharf]

this is really cute

especially considering I was one of the first people to dig through Darktide's Lua

[willow hazel]

It has 50% crit. If you miss a breakpoint, just follow up with a minimum charge secondary. It adds like 0.3s to the TTK

[half iron]

assail should be buffed. give me 100 that seek out every enemy that i don’t even see. let it go out to them the millisecond they spawn. 0.2s cooldown, 0.01% peril gain per use

[limber silo]

If I use ANY weapon I can show exactly how much damage it does per shot

Surge seems to have major variance in basic testing

[long wharf]

this statement is in direct conflict with damage being RNG, don't you think?

[limber silo]

Unless Surge has rng damage rolls like it has at least in the past

[willow hazel]

It's still very strong

[long wharf]

you should consider the possibility that surge isn't doing the same number of ticks on enemies that have different health pools

[proper osprey]

The “best” blitz in the game when put against maulers, crushers, and any boss

[idle bay]

Shards regen nerf? Nah... it's fine as is 🙂 Was too addictive to use with ammo regen it had.

[long wharf]

and so the damage you see is varying more because different number of ticks are happening

[willow hazel]

Surge runs at about 50% crit, the RNG damage rolls are minor compared to crits

[limber silo]

Yes, I am doing my testing on a crusher using only not crit attacks

[long wharf]

there are no RNG damage rolls

period.

[proper osprey]

Nah son

[proper osprey]

Gonna make you explode with my mind

And I never see brain burst

[half iron]

a veteran will get to them first

[limber silo]

Bro I am watching the rng at this very moment

[long wharf]

as soon as that head gets highlighted, bang

[proper osprey]

I think sometimes I’m the only one that uses brain burst

[long wharf]

take a video of it

[idle bay]

Assail in a perfect place right now. To delete or thin that specific massive spawn of 30 gunners/shotgunners/ragers. Or horde that you are too busy to deal with and then carry on with different tools.

[long wharf]

assail isn't in a perfect place

it's usefulness falls off in damnation/high heresy

[proper osprey]

THIS

[long wharf]

I'd rather see consistent performance

[willow hazel]

Think of it this way, just running Quick Shards and Maelific Momentum unnerfs its damage and CDR.

[idle bay]

It's good burst damage still.

[long wharf]

you're basically forced into using EP with assail now

no, assail isn't good burst damage at all

[willow hazel]

Assail staggers ragers and maulers, and it's the best weapon in the game vs range enemies.

[proper osprey]

It’s not in anything aruic any carapace or boss halts your assails momentum even before the nerf

[long wharf]

it takes multiple shards to kill the elite gunners

way too many shards to kill ragers

[idle bay]

That statemet is nonsense, It's burst damage. Period. For crowds.

[proper osprey]

This

[long wharf]

I'm perfectly fine with assail being useless against carapace

[proper osprey]

Yeah it should be lol

[long wharf]

burst damage is defined by a short period of time

[willow hazel]

so don't aim for them? Voidstrike also gets stopped by crushers and bosses, is it bad?

[long wharf]

you aren't "bursting" anything with assail

[idle bay]

Well all 10 shards can be fired away really fast

[long wharf]

as you have to guide/wait for shard impact

[idle bay]

While guiding

[long wharf]

anything taking longer than a second or two isn't "burst" but "sustained"

[proper osprey]

Bro 🤦‍♂️

[long wharf]

by definition, assail doesn't burst

[eager mantle]

Who the fucks describes assail as "burst" dmg?

[idle bay]

Wromng defenition. Sustain is something long mot couple of seconds. So it fits in burst. Few seconds of slaughter. And the go back to gun or melee

[long wharf]

the problem with the assail nerf is that both cooldown was hit as well as lmb damage

[eager mantle]

Still perfectly fine

[willow hazel]

It's not front loaded, but throwing out ~2-3 shards can kill 3 elites when it connects

[long wharf]

it didn't need both

[proper osprey]

Yes I’m gonna throw theses pebbles at the crusher and not pull out my staff to fuck it up

[eager mantle]

It deserved it

[willow hazel]

it's bursty

[eager mantle]

Still wouldn't call that burst.

[long wharf]

the damage boost to the rmb shard throw wasn't significant enough to account for the reduced cooldown

[proper osprey]

Still prefer brain bust over any blitz

[long wharf]

it shouldn't take three rmb shards to kill a gunner on damnation

[eager mantle]

Burst would be if EP BB headpopping all enemies in a small aoe

[willow hazel]

It can take only 1 with DD

[proper osprey]

Brain burst with purg staff

[long wharf]

EP ought to have made BB free, fast, and do an aoe that applies soulblaze

[proper osprey]

So good

[eager mantle]

My man

[long wharf]

I hate DD's design

[eager mantle]

DD is good until it's drunk and doesn't mark

[long wharf]

the lack of marking is enough to have me never use it

the only way to play with assail as much as possible is to go EP anyways

[proper osprey]

I wonder how dd is with bb

[long wharf]

because then your throws are stronger and free

[eager mantle]

But it's so satisfying seeing assail with stacks

[willow hazel]

Or just to support an DD/Melee build

or gunker

[long wharf]

I think you're objectively better off without assail in those cases

[eager mantle]

Lose the stacks before cast

[long wharf]

you can run smite

or just use void staff

[proper osprey]

Also illisi > any force sword

[long wharf]

and it'll outperform assail in every situation

[tawny jetty]

What kinda gear do you run on your brain burst build? I'm trying to do the penance's w it and it's not my favorite.

[long wharf]

on every enemy

[willow hazel]

both of those do significantly less damage

[long wharf]

hah

[half iron]

until they add a two-handed force sword🥺

[long wharf]

wrong.

void staff with warp nexus + surge will outdamage nearly everything else a psyker can do

[proper osprey]

Use the bb both modifiers and venting

[eager mantle]

Nah. It's gunker and making it supplemental. Problem w/ assail imo isn't that it got nerfed is that they never intended for it for it to be a primary that people were using it as

[long wharf]

when you take only a couple key talent tree nodes

[limber silo]

The stacks reset as long as you are casting BB on the target

[proper osprey]

I’ll send it one moment

[willow hazel]

I have yet to see a voidstrike build with most damage

[eager mantle]

Shows how much I will not use BB w/o EP

[willow hazel]

It just fires too slowly

[long wharf]

then I'd argue you've never seen a competent psyker use a good void staff

[limber silo]

@long wharf How tf do I record screen?

[proper osprey]

It doesn’t

Ep with kinetic resonance

[long wharf]

you're the guy that can't learn anything about a game in 1000 hours of play, you figure it out

coughnvidia overlaycough

[willow hazel]

It's a 1.7 second charge

[long wharf]

and it has infinite cleave

[willow hazel]

it doesn't

[long wharf]

oh yes it does

and infinite range

[eager mantle]

DS4 best psyker melee

[long wharf]

and with True Aim, you're going to be critting every other shot

[proper osprey]

Bb is still the best blitz before assail nerf

[long wharf]

with good aim, every shot

[static needle]

is Mk V DS very inferior to Mk 4?

[long wharf]

that crit means a double shot thanks to Surge blessing

void staff is hands down the most damage you can do in a single shot as a psyker

[eager mantle]

DS4 h1 is the poke which is very effective.

[proper osprey]

For a smite or assail build sure

[long wharf]

the only serious contender is the trauma staff at very high enemy densities

[proper osprey]

But not for bb

[static needle]

DS 5 has such badass animations tho

[long wharf]

and even then, trauma's inner radius isn't very large

[proper osprey]

I like it it’s a good all round staff

[willow hazel]

Even with good aim, if one enemy gets staggered and moves their head, the cleave is gone

[eager mantle]

I still swap between DS4 and BB depending on situation. Poking crusher heads makes me feel something BB doesnt

[static needle]

are you running warp nexus with this hypothetical voidstrike?

[long wharf]

the trauma staff is actually really good when enemy density is high enough

[proper osprey]

And deal with crarapace

[willow hazel]

It gets stopped by crushers and maulers

[long wharf]

warp nexus + surge

[eager mantle]

But almost everything is on its ass to be hit again

[willow hazel]

and it still takes 1.7s to with a big move speed penalty

[long wharf]

reason I run warp nexus is because there are plenty of times when you fire into a group first and you want that extra crit chance

[static needle]

Another player recommended running surge + flurry for more consistent damage output and staggering when getting attacked my many big enemies

[long wharf]

or you aren't hitting as many weakspots as you want to (maybe aim is shit, maybe everything is on the ground or flying around)

[proper osprey]

Truama?

No?

[willow hazel]

Void

[proper osprey]

Oh

[long wharf]

you can do that, I like having the extra crit chance as I almost exclusively do full void charged shots

I never rapid fire void

the damage ramp up as you charge makes it much more efficient to do as much charging as the situation gives you

[static needle]

flurry is literally meant to make you fire more fully charged shots

since you charge them quicker

[long wharf]

that's true, but crits are where Surge blessing comes into play

like I said, warp nexus gives that increase in crit chance in non-ideal conditions

there's nothing wrong with going warp flurry

[static needle]

thing is wont you proc crits faster using flurry?

[bleak tulip]

maybe if youre actually insane and only ever hit weak spots with void you could get away with it but nexus triggers so frequently its just a big dps increase

[bleak tulip]

youre missing a bunch of crit chance

yknow, the whole point of nexus

[long wharf]

warp nexus t4 is up to 20% crit chance

that's huge

[static needle]

Do you run vent for this, @long wharf ?

[long wharf]

and in situations where you don't have True Aim proc'd and waiting, that's when you see the benefits

[static needle]

for surge + nexus

[long wharf]

by vent you mean what?

I always take increased quell speed talent node

[bleak tulip]

I think they mean shriek

[long wharf]

oh, yes I like to run shriek

even more than shield

I can be a bit... zealous in my charging

[proper osprey]

Here’s the weapons the build is uploading

[long wharf]

having that "oh shit I messed up" safety button is very handy

on top of using it to apply 6 stacks of soulblaze

frankly, a void staff only build is very viable

[tawny jetty]

Thank you 😊

[long wharf]

very hard to say that about any other weapon the psyker has

[proper osprey]

What penance are you trying to do?

Pick and mix?

[tawny jetty]

Ye

And the other one

[proper osprey]

This build is perfect for that

[proper osprey]

Warp battery?

[tawny jetty]

I need a better purg n illisi. Been hunting for those, but I'll get there.

[proper osprey]

They are the best for bb

[tawny jetty]

Well yeah, that too but the kill 25 mutants, dogs n trappers.

[proper osprey]

Ahhh I gotcha

[proper osprey]

I’ll send you my warp charge build too

[tawny jetty]

Got 280 out off 300 on warp battery.

[proper osprey]

I have all of my psyker penances done

[tawny jetty]

[proper osprey]

Cliffhanger was the hardest

[long wharf]

I wouldn't pair purge with illisi personally

purge already kills the crowds

[eager mantle]

Getting the ledge pushing penance done with trauma randomly

[long wharf]

go with mk4 ds for the heavy stabs

or deimos if you insist on sticking with force weapons

[thorn blaze]

You piqued my curiosity and I picked one just to see what it does

that orb is unreal

[long wharf]

infinite cleave is a beast

it's a railgun

[tawny jetty]

I got a baller mk4 so I'm set there.

[proper osprey]

Sword has extra mobility purg locks you in place

[eager mantle]

I was like "the fuck did I do" when I saw 3 penances get completed

[long wharf]

the mk4 ds has great mobility

only a knife makes you faster with melee

[tawny jetty]

Blazing spirit is good?

[proper osprey]

Yeah bb uses soul fire a lot

[idle bay]

I remember pre patch 13 "fool around" Voidstaf with Soul Blaze blessing mosty to just light up dark halls.

[long wharf]

pre-patch 13 void was "okay"

patch 13 void was godly

patch 14 toned it down a little, but not a lot

[proper osprey]

And bloodthirsty is always up with kills from special

[eager mantle]

Not really imo. Most things die to the crit and I definitely didn't feel the fire spreading

[idle bay]

Soul Blaze blessing on Void now is like wasting slot...

[long wharf]

blazing spirit is memey on force swords

[proper osprey]

D4?

Wrong reply

Infinite cleave?

[long wharf]

yup

it goes through everything that's not level geometry now

including bosses but not boss shields

try it for yourself in the psykward

[proper osprey]

@tawny jetty

[long wharf]

it hits multiple crushers, bulwarks, whatever

[proper osprey]

I’ve been trying to gamble a good one still haven’t got one

[proper osprey]

With special?

[long wharf]

before a couple hotfixes back, void was doing damage to bulwarks through their shields

[tawny jetty]

Thanks! The cape is sweet!!

[long wharf]

with charged secondaries

not primaries

[proper osprey]

I figured I do a light then heavy for the thrust

[long wharf]

I'm talking about void staff, not dueling swords

[proper osprey]

Oh

[long wharf]

for ds, special into heavy is valid

I mostly do just heavy stabs

repeatedly

into faces

[proper osprey]

I’m talking about the demois sword lol

[warm dust]

In unrealistic and practically impossible situations, you can still OHK Damnation Crushers with the Zarona.

[long wharf]

I prefer ds to deimos, myself

[static needle]

Is DS5 siginificantly worse than DS4? I dont wanna feel like im doing my team a disservice to pick mk 5.

[long wharf]

but deimos can do more damage if you know what you're doing with it

it's not as straightforwards as a ds, though

[long wharf]

ds5 doesn't have the increased heavy attack damage the ds4 does

[static needle]

how about DS2?

[long wharf]

it's the heavy damage on the ds4 that makes it king

[strong gulch]

DS 4 damage is just a lot higher than the other DS options.

[long wharf]

it slaps stabs

[proper osprey]

I use them it’s what I’m feeling at the moment

[proper osprey]

Naw son

[strong gulch]

That being said, if you like DS 5, play DS 5.

[long wharf]

typical FartShack modifying a single weapon variant and not bothering to look at the other variants

a lot of people prefer the ds5 moveset to the ds4

[proper osprey]

Ds4 > any of them

[long wharf]

but the ds4 heavy damage is what makes it worth using

without that heavy damage, I wouldn't even use ds at all

[static needle]

Also, @long wharf , for your voidstrike surge + nexus build, do you run DD or warp charges?

[strong gulch]

The H1 on both DS2 and DS4 have the same animation, but the DS4 just has more damage.

[long wharf]

being able to heavy stab one-shot a mutant on damnation is what convinced me to use the ds4

[long wharf]

warp charges

I don't like DD currently

[hearty oak]

Why doesnt the surge staff have the blessing that causes brittleness?

[static needle]

and do you use assail?

[long wharf]

the surge staff needs some love

it's needed more blessings since release

I'd love for it to get blazing spirit or rending

either option would be great for the staff

[hearty oak]

That is what i am seeing that it needs. I finally get it, and yeah it needs more to it

[static needle]

for the void build?

[long wharf]

I use assail with void

because they go hand in hand

both weakspot hit and crit hard

[zinc phoenix]

I wish they’d the “10% bb chance on hit” into the baseline for the ability and add an option for making bb a skill shot that does bonkers single target damage at short range

[proper osprey]

I like surge cause I can turn off my brain and delete bulwarks

[long wharf]

my current favorite psyker build is ds4+void+assail using EP and venting shriek

but with that, I main assail, not void

[zinc phoenix]

Mine is trauma/Deimos/bb/shriek with all the fire

[long wharf]

void is for when maulers/crushers/ragers/bulwarks/reapers show up

[static needle]

some people say assail is redundant since void clears the same range of targets (except for ogryns)

[long wharf]

any of those not in groups get the stabby stabby

[spice veldt]

1

oops

[long wharf]

2

[static needle]

3

[spice veldt]

shush

[long wharf]

ah ah ah.

you started it

take responsibility

[spice veldt]

was hooking up a new keyboard and checking if it worked >:(

[static needle]

Your opinion on this?

[long wharf]

test confirmed

[limber silo]

@long wharf

[long wharf]

my opinion is - assail is the kind of fun that the psyker has needed since release

assail is the "all warp attacks all the time" that the psyker should be, in my opinion

[spice veldt]

assail has a mildly shorter use time if your space is getting encroached by ragers or to support a more melee playstyle

depends on where it would fit into your void + assail + whatever build and playstyle

[zinc phoenix]

Assail is good with void imo

[spice veldt]

i mainly melee so i like my assail regardless of the ranged weapon I use

[zinc phoenix]

Void is kinda pokey for snap shots while assail handles that and stuff all around you well

[proper osprey]

Trauma and purgatus and best to pair with bb

[zinc phoenix]

Purgatus belong in the trash but otherwise agree

[limber silo]

Wow, why do you think that?

[proper osprey]

You’re stupid

[long wharf]

yep, definitely seeing variation in surge damage on the big numbers at the end

[hearty oak]

I find surge with BB is actually really nice

[limber silo]

See, Mr. "I have 900 hours" sometimes people can not know everything

[proper osprey]

Why do you have sooooo much single target

[long wharf]

I'm inclined to think that, because no other weapon in the game does that, that it's the reason the surge staff doesn't feel consistent or good right now

[limber silo]

There's nothing wrong with not knowing things

[long wharf]

pretty stupid of you to say I said I know everything

I simply stated, and factually, that Darktide doesn't do RNG damage

[limber silo]

Well your argument for no rng was "I play the game a lot"

[hearty oak]

I ask zealots this everyday
The alternative is smite and i do NOT like smite

[limber silo]

Which is no argument at all

[long wharf]

if nothing else in the game does it, it sure looks like something wrong with the surge staff

[limber silo]

I think it's intentional

It's to piss us off more

[long wharf]

intentionally wrong is classic FartShack

[limber silo]

they're really good at that

[proper osprey]

Run purg, trauma, or void!

[long wharf]

I wonder if there's something going on with the enemy warp resistance with surge

that'd be interesting

[plucky flax]

Me stabbing everything with knife as zealot.

[long wharf]

I'm not in-game right now, doing coding

[plucky flax]

Horde clear be damn. They are getting stabbed.

[long wharf]

but test spamming lmb with surge staff

[hearty oak]

Purg is meh. trauma is meh. Void is good but i wanted to play surge for a bit.

[limber silo]

sure

[hearty oak]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-pow-enter-the-fist-net-fish-trap-gif-12105276

[static needle]

Blaze Trauma is SS tier

[long wharf]

the really silly thing is veterans make excellent knifebois now

[plucky flax]

Too slow speed.

[hearty oak]

Too specific and requires a specific staff (That i dont have)

[long wharf]

in fact, a veteran can be safer with a knife than a zealot with a knife

[plucky flax]

Zealot + speed = crack head.

[long wharf]

it's really stupid

[plucky flax]

Tru zealot knife is not the tankiest.

But it's speedy.

And it's bleedy.

[long wharf]

you can build a veteran to run up to 95% toughness DR

and to get that toughness and stamina back just by running and dodging

which you're doing constantly anyways

it's really stupid

[eager mantle]

Seeing knife zealot cams is like those COD "movement" players on twitter

[limber silo]

LMB is consistent. Weird shit with the surge staff

[long wharf]

ooo I wonder if the smite attack behavior is at fault

smite does randomized damage as it ticks on enemies

[plucky flax]

I ran too fast on zealot earlier this morning and teammate wrote "this is stupid"

[orchid nest]

unlikely since surge damage has always had variance even with the old version since launch

[hearty oak]

I really do not get knife zealots. There are just way better melee options that offer more

[limber silo]

the ticks seem consistent damage-wise as well. Mine does 4 damage per tick

[long wharf]

it'd be typical FartShack incompetence to bring over smite attack behavior when they "fixed" surge staff using smite attack object

[limber silo]

sometimes the damage numbers merge into 8, or I think sometimes it merges with the big tick, but still

[limber silo]

Surge has done this since the beginning

[long wharf]

that's just the numbers being combined due to framerate

I didn't notice surge doing noticeably different big damage numbers before

and I used surge primarily on release

[limber silo]

That's because it did significantly less damage before

[orchid nest]

yeah it's always had variance on the right click

[long wharf]

hrm, alright

thanks for testing and recording

now we all know for sure

[limber silo]

I think it's bs because how are you supposed to make breakpoints for surge?

[long wharf]

you can't

[limber silo]

np, and no hard feelings

[past light]

surge is quite fun rn, wish it had more stun cleave tho

[long wharf]

I love using the surge staff

I dislike it's performance

so I avoid using for serious missions

[orchid nest]

between the variance and it being a crit weapon the only breakpoint you can rely upon is non crit 1 shot on the very bottom end of the variance

[past light]

is the smite extra target talent supposed to work with surge or is it a bug

[long wharf]

it being a crit weapon makes no sense either

on release, it was all about CC

[limber silo]

Nah, it not getting Surge makes less sense

[willow hazel]

they fixed it

[long wharf]

you weren't doing serious damage with it, but you also have no blessings that take advantage of the increased crit chance

[past light]

ohh did they

alright

[limber silo]

lightning is critty flavorwise imo

[long wharf]

surge staff needed blazing spirit

getting surge blessing wouldn't make much sense

[willow hazel]

blazing spirit would be ass on new surge

[long wharf]

but all I wanted was blazing spirit on the original surge staff

would have been so good

[limber silo]

It's the SURGE STAFF why wouldn't it get Surge

[long wharf]

I'd argue that the surge blessing needs renamed

[willow hazel]

skill issue

[long wharf]

FartShack is also bad about reuse names for different things

[limber silo]

BS on pre-rework surge would have been great

[long wharf]

yup

[limber silo]

The crit staff gets none of the crit blessings

[long wharf]

can you imagine? blazing spirit surge staff combined with an Illisi with blazing spirit and pre-nerf bloodthirsty?

a sibling can only dream.

[willow hazel]

Surge would actually be strong on the new surge staff though

[limber silo]

I will stick to my laspistol for single target in the future. Surge is fun flavorwise, but like you said, not well performing

[long wharf]

if it applied a soulblaze stack per damage tick, perhaps

but that's not how the engine counts crit attacks with the surge staff

[proper osprey]

@tawny jetty a good purg staff can be really good if you build it right this is that build

It melts maulers

But not crushers

Don’t know why

[limber silo]

Get rid of Soulstealer, replace it with Mettle

[vale nacelle]

Give Surge a small radius in which Lightning chains to every enemy within. Full damage to the primary and X% less for each target it chains to.

[willow hazel]

I am reasonably confident it's the best staff for PUGs

[vale nacelle]

Ez.

[orchid nest]

iirc blazing spirit 3 on staff has a 6 cap so even if current surge had it it would be less dps than the current blessings anyways for anything it could be relevant for

[proper osprey]

Forgot to oops

[long wharf]

but then you have a problem with surge staff out-performing smite

[limber silo]

Also you should consider getting Empathic Evasion

[long wharf]

the reason the surge staff is in the state it's in is because of smite

[limber silo]

Overall your build is a little scuffed

[vale nacelle]

It OFC wouldn’t hit the whole screen.

[long wharf]

also, it really doesn't feel good for surge to do less damage for each enemy hit

[proper osprey]

Does it stack? Or just stay around for one second?

[limber silo]

It refreshes every crit

[orchid nest]

it refreshes

[long wharf]

that was one of my big complaints about the original surge staff

[limber silo]

Basically immunity for as long as you are hitting something

[vale nacelle]

Full damage to primary target. Less to every other.

[long wharf]

you could hit a group of 5 gunners, and only two died

I'd rather the surge staff hit up to three targets and do full damage to each

[vale nacelle]

That’d be a little busted.

[long wharf]

or have the number of targets be based on charge level

1 at <10% charge, ramp up to 3 or 4 at max charge

the current surge staff suffers from an identity crisis

[limber silo]

I liked when sugre did good damage to only armored enemies

[long wharf]

it doesn't stun things well, it doesn't stun a lot of things, and it doesn't damage things enough

[limber silo]

Just nuking gunner patrols and crushers

[willow hazel]

What crisis? It's the single target staff

[long wharf]

yeah, I enjoyed the original surge staff a lot

[vale nacelle]

Doesn’t stun things well.

[long wharf]

it doesn't do enough damage for a single target staff

[limber silo]

It gave it is a role

[long wharf]

stunning two things at a time isn't enough to be considered reliable CC

[limber silo]

Void does way more damage than surge and is consistent

[long wharf]

and has infinite cleave

same with purge and trauma

[willow hazel]

bet

[long wharf]

surge staff is outshined in every metric you can measure

[limber silo]

Every staff does cc and damage and clear, but surge is just iffy

[long wharf]

you lose, hard

[vale nacelle]

It is when it perma locks everything but muties

[willow hazel]

want to play?

[long wharf]

perma-locking two things?

when there's a crowd?

[limber silo]

It sometimes locks muties. The impact is variable as well

[proper osprey]

I never saw a use for it since it’s so short

[long wharf]

sitting there and charging three times to kill a gunner in the crowd?

[hot epoch]

Id really like a psyker helmet like the one from Astartes, just a clear face shield, possibly with a hood

[limber silo]

Sometimes it's 1 charge, sometimes it's 2 charges to stun muties

[long wharf]

son, you have no idea clue

[proper osprey]

But then again I’m criting a ton

[vale nacelle]

If you’re using surge to pick enemies out of a crowd we got a different problem.

[long wharf]

i'd buy it, especially if the face lit up when peril of the warp hits

[limber silo]

1 sec is way longer than you think my friend

[long wharf]

why? it's the one thing surge can do that's the most useful

[orchid nest]

I don't remember the actual value but voidstrike is not infinite cleave

[willow hazel]

It one shots most things that matter and the PC procs kill the crowd. It's mobile enough that you can dodge around a horde while attacking

[hot epoch]

Thatd be swell yeah

[long wharf]

surge with perilious combustion means you can target that elite/specialist and then soulblaze erupts around it

I love the concept of surge

[limber silo]

If you count out "One Mississippi" then you'll realize that 1 second is amazing

[long wharf]

it needs further refinement since the talent tree update

[limber silo]

Plus consider how many times you are hitting in 1 second

[willow hazel]

Surge outperforms void because it takess half the time to charge. Just kill stuff twice as fast

[long wharf]

HAH

oh lord

[limber silo]

lol

[long wharf]

it takes half the time to kill one target

while full charged void will kill that one target and the 20 behind it in a line

or the entire group of gunners you caught as they spawned

or stagger the line of crushers

[willow hazel]

if they are freindly enough to line up

[limber silo]

Not only that but Void can knock over bosses with headshots

[long wharf]

void can stagger-lock bosses for fuck's sake

[limber silo]

Just stand in a hallway

[long wharf]

jesus h christ, kid

just open your eyes and stop being obstinate

[limber silo]

This is a mostly close quarters game, use bottle necks and you'll be set

[orchid nest]

I think voidstrikes current cleave is 12 but I'd have to test it

[long wharf]

there is nothing else in the game that has infinite cleave in an infinite line

[willow hazel]

Yeah it's not infinite