psyker-class

[zinc phoenix]

🤔

[long wharf]

ret*rd?

there we go.

[zinc phoenix]

But not the d, no no cant say d c k

[long wharf]

just not a ret~rded clown

[olive ember]

Bruh

You tempting fate rn

[zinc phoenix]

But you can say cock gobbling ass clown who loves anal

[untold widget]

cant say j*rking *ff, but you can say jacking it

[long wharf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[zinc phoenix]

Cock yes, d no 🤔

[long wharf]

well that's just a male chicken

a rooster

🐓

[untold widget]

or loading a round into a gun

[zinc phoenix]

My gun has big cocks

[long wharf]

yes Inquisitor, this guy right here

[zinc phoenix]

So how many years do you think it will be before rogue trader rpg isn’t a completely bugged to shit turd gobbling disaster

[long wharf]

I got through the prologue no problems

[zinc phoenix]

after that, the trouble started

[long wharf]

haven't continued my playthrough in a couple weeks

[split oxide]

You down't know OwlCat games then

[zinc phoenix]

Kingmaker launch made this one look good 😂

[long wharf]

how long did it take Kingmaker to not be filled with game breaking bugs?

[fallow yacht]

it's better technical shape than previous OwlCat games on release

[zinc phoenix]

Like 2-3 years

[long wharf]

I really enjoyed the prologue

[zinc phoenix]

And still lots of bugs

[long wharf]

even though I made a psyker that was a carbon copy of the random one you pick up in the prologue

[zinc phoenix]

RT is easily their best RPG but it’s a total crapshoot whether any particular skill or trait does what they say it does

[fallow yacht]

they lost ownership of first one, they cannot deploy further bugfixes

[long wharf]

without knowing beforehand

[zinc phoenix]

Someone should tell them to stop patching wrath of the righteous then bc that is still actively worked and another paiso product

[long wharf]

is that based on PF2e?

[zinc phoenix]

No

[long wharf]

I've played a lot of PF1e

[zinc phoenix]

I hope somebody does a 2e game because PF1e is a total mess of a system

[fallow yacht]

no, it doesn't have anything to do with PF; Kingmaker belongs to that russian company they split off from

[long wharf]

read a good bit of the 2e player handbook and wasn't overly impressed

[fallow yacht]

it's because of that, they cannot deploy any more patches

[long wharf]

oh boy, if you think PF1e is a total mess, you should have seen D&D 3.5e

[fallow yacht]

Wrath is all theirs

[zinc phoenix]

Like seriously idk who thought they needed eighteen different ways to play a gish in one system

[zinc phoenix]

I mean I cut my teeth on AD&D and can still show you on the doll where THAC0 touched me 😂

[long wharf]

oh god, flashbacks

I hated THAC0 so much

[zinc phoenix]

3.5 was honestly not as bad as 1e PF because 1e bloated out with a billion classes that all do basically the same thing but with ever more convoluted rules

[long wharf]

I also cut my teeth on AD&D

[fallow yacht]

if you like minmaxing and tinkering with builds, 3.5 / pf1e is best rpg for that

I still look back at it fondly

but the entry barrier is large

[long wharf]

PF1e isn't anywhere near as bad as 3.5 for crazy class progressions

[zinc phoenix]

I much prefer Larian’s 5e to either tbh

[long wharf]

PF generally rewards you for sticking with a class

[zinc phoenix]

Much cleaner system even if the writing is 70s pron

[fallow yacht]

to each their own; I really don't like 5e, but Larian's improvements made it considerably better

[zinc phoenix]

Bow chicka wow wow

[long wharf]

none of this taking a 2 level dip into a 3rd multiclass in order to get 5 levels of one prestige class in order to get 3 of another prestige class in order to get 10 for yet another prestige class

I really don't like D&D 5e

[zinc phoenix]

🤢 I house rule banned multi-classing except to get a single specific prestige class

No eight different class dips for munchkining

[long wharf]

you basically banned playing 3.5e "properly"

[zinc phoenix]

Yes

[long wharf]

I had friends that traveled to game nights with literal suitcases filled with splat books

[fallow yacht]

3.5 kinda relies on multiclassing to work;
pf1e is a lot better for single-classing

[long wharf]

GM rule was always "you can't use material you don't have the books for"

so they had everything

[zinc phoenix]

I allow it for specific prestige class stuff but otherwise nein

I am the class Nazi

Distant cousin of the soup Nazi

I don’t care that there are good reasons to allow it, it gives me cancer to see the rogue fighter wizard cleric wacky bs

[fallow yacht]

I always say - there is no bad way to play rpgs as long as everyone around the table is comfortable and having fun.

If everyone is down for it - single class is fine.

And if group prefers it - 30-page long intricate builds that draw from hundred niche sources can also be great fun.

[zinc phoenix]

Speaking of I hope they add some of the weirder psyker trees from rogue trader in here

Like I want to summon a blessed hammer of beat down for my ult

Zealot can pull a book from their butt and wave it around

[long wharf]

nah, it was usually wizard cleric rogue barbarian death knight mystic theurge

[zinc phoenix]

Why can’t I find a hammer up there

[long wharf]

oh it's there

just firmly lodged

not really extractable during mission

requires... additional sets of hands

[fluid aspen]

Finally managed to finish the purgatus + scrier build. First of all the dueling sword really is amazing. Second, mind flame goes brrrrr

https://tenor.com/view/prodigy-firestarter-gif-27481064

Now I need a new psyker that looks like Keith Flint

[long wharf]

already have one

or rather, the look is already in the game

[fluid aspen]

[long wharf]

you found it

[fallow yacht]

speaking of builds, I'd like some advice

the build focuses on spamming crit trauma and shrieking to spread soulblaze, while recovering a lot of toughness and taking advantage of Warp Rider and Perfect Timing... I'd like to grab one or two Toughness nodes to maximize benefits from multiple toughness regens, but I don't see anything to drop for that

[long wharf]

you really don't need all those toughness gain nodes

getting an additional 2 warp charges is a big deal for clearing hordes via soulblaze alone

[ornate hamlet]

I would drop warp expenditure and the peril thingy connected to it

[long wharf]

I also try to always get the "dodge for 1s on crit" node

[fallow yacht]

what exactly does that wording mean?

it's not invulnerability right?

[fluid aspen]

I might drop the Battle Meditation for the 6 stacks of warp charges

[long wharf]

also also, Essence Harvest is a very mediocre node

[spice veldt]

i-frames

[long wharf]

Inner Tranquility is vastly better

[shadow wigeon]

For Trauma, Inner Tranquility is much stronger.

[fluid aspen]

It basically means any ranged attack misses you for a second after critting

[long wharf]

for everything, IT is much stronger

if EH stacked on itself, that'd be one thing

but it doesn't

[fluid aspen]

Though I'm not sure if it also works on something like nets

[long wharf]

no, nets aren't counted as an "attack"

[untold widget]

I'm never brave enough to try

I'll EE sniper shots though

[long wharf]

they are projectiles though, blocked by the shield

[fluid aspen]

Thought so

[shadow wigeon]

off topic but I have found a use for it on Surge/Flames.

[long wharf]

at the very least, I have never seen or heard of anybody recording an example of EE being active and a trapper's net going through the player

[shadow wigeon]

Empathic Evasion is a bit worse on Trauma becasue the attack rate on charge isn't very high.

[long wharf]

and I use EE on every build I can

[shadow wigeon]

Great for L1 spam though

[long wharf]

I still take it

[fluid aspen]

What is Inner Tranquility? I can't find it

[long wharf]

and I still put ranged crit chance on the trauma staff

[fallow yacht]

even though I will be likely constantly dropping charges by shriekieg at everything on (much reduced) cooldown?

[fluid aspen]

Oh found it

[long wharf]

you get them back very quickly if you're also using In Fire Reborn

[fluid aspen]

Essence Harvest doesn't proc if you're at full stacks already right?

[shadow wigeon]

With Trauma, you don't necessarily want to shriek all the time, but if you always pick large groups to use shriek on, you'll get your stacks back pretty quickly.

[shadow wigeon]

It always procs, but does not stack (it just resets)

[long wharf]

on high difficulties, enemy density is enough that you can nearly guarantee that you get all your stacks back stupid fast

[olive ember]

It should everytime you refresh your stacks

Tho I typically don’t use essence harvest

[long wharf]

EH just isn't good enough to take

[fluid aspen]

Oh I see. Doesn't seem that bad then, just a constant toughness regen

[olive ember]

Warp resist is better for like 95% of builds

[long wharf]

30% toughness regen over 5 seconds is basically nothing when you need toughness to save your ass

[shadow wigeon]

For Trauma, warp res > toughness, in this case.

[fluid aspen]

I'm using purg tho

[fluid aspen]

6% per sec

[long wharf]

yep, and if you're getting hit, that toughness is doing you no good

[shadow wigeon]

Oh, i dont know why I thought this was a trauma build..... mb.
Yeah Harvest works with Purg, its just not very compelling.

[olive ember]

Warp res is still better on purge

[long wharf]

you gain far more than that just by critting and killing things regularly

[olive ember]

The only time harvest is taken is if you aren’t using staves

[long wharf]

like I said, if EH was a stacking regen, that'd be one thing

but it's not

[shadow wigeon]

I use it on Surge/Flames, ended up preferring it over Tranq

[long wharf]

getting a trickle of toughness every second in the middle of combat isn't better than the alternatives

[olive ember]

I think your insane then

Surge staff without warp res hits max peril in like 4 charges

[shadow wigeon]

Purg/Shriek causes some challenges - you want to constantly flame, but you want peril for Shriek. It's a bit at odds.

[long wharf]

surge can generate a lot of peril quickly

because it charges so quickly

[rare arrow]

Ah so it is worth just finishing. The boss fight doesn’t take that long

[fluid aspen]

This is what I'm running with Purg and Dueling Mk4

[olive ember]

Eh it works

[long wharf]

yikes, SG?

[olive ember]

I wouldn’t take EH and I wouldn’t use Scriers

But it works for what it is

[rare arrow]

Scrier’s, ew

[shadow wigeon]

Yep, and on balance I prefer it. Faster time to get to max Shriek, esp with L1 spam.

[fluid aspen]

Purg with Scrier is surprisingly good, stacks soulflame like crazy

[fallow yacht]

thanks guys will take your advice into account and tinker with build more

[shadow wigeon]

Scrier/Purg is really fun, but it does feel a bit memey

[long wharf]

you're stacking soulblaze without SG just fine already

[fluid aspen]

But more

[long wharf]

only when you use SG, you have to stop what you're doing to avoid explosing

[shadow wigeon]

Purg auto cancels at 100%, so it actually makes Scrier's pretty comfortable.

[olive ember]

Scriers is manageable with a staff due to how fast you quell

[fluid aspen]

Switch to Dueling and enjoy max Warp Rider

[compact thorn]

Any advice on cliffhanger penance/achievement ?
I tried few spots and so far got only to 4

[hasty breach]

SG is the non incredibly boring purgatus, tbh

[olive ember]

Warp charges don’t give CDR or warp res for scrier tho

Which makes the thing kinda jank

[fluid aspen]

Yeah it's bugged and fucking sucks

Takes stacks and doesn't give CDR

[olive ember]

Uhhh try pushing at high peril

[long wharf]

I use warp charges for every build other than my assail build (which uses EP)

[olive ember]

Psure knockback is scaled on peril

[long wharf]

it definitely is

has been since release

hidden "mechanic"

[fluid aspen]

Venting Shriek on the extract part of the hab pathogen scan mission

[rare arrow]

There is a mission

Everyone used it back in the day, but on the left of a start there was a small bridge and we pushed them off it

I don’t remember the mission name now

[shadow wigeon]

Vigil Station, I belive? final room, 2 bridges leading into it. Very easy to get large pushes off there.

[rare arrow]

It was a very narrow platform

[long wharf]

yep, that's the easiest spot

I forget the name of the mission

[olive ember]

Chasm logistratum

[long wharf]

thumbnail is blue/black with the bridge spot in question in it, I think

there you go

[olive ember]

Some people said the map got changed tho so dunno if still there

[long wharf]

best done with the group understanding the plan

[olive ember]

Wait are we talking about the funny catwalk on the side at the start?

[rare arrow]

Thanks, bad with mission names.

[long wharf]

get everyone on one side of the path along the bridge, wait for a horde to be stuck on the bridge, you run out onto the bridge and push whole groups off

yep

[rare arrow]

Yea

[fluid aspen]

I'm 100 hours in, couldn't name a single one

[long wharf]

I regularly get mission names mixed up

[rare arrow]

I know every mission by the starting room lol

[long wharf]

which is hard to do, they're so memorably named

HL-46-my-ass

[compact thorn]

Alright, will see what I can do there

[long wharf]

HL-46-13-ass

thanks Hadron

[fluid aspen]

Yeah I know what the mission is by the briefing already but I never know the name

[olive ember]

All I know was that TRS-150 relay station had bugged plasteel spawn rates

So all the plasteel farmers skipped that mission and it had a higher probability to have shit teammates

[rare arrow]

I know relay station and hab dreyko

[rare arrow]

IS THAT WHY. ITHOUGHT THAT MISSION WAS HARDER?

[long wharf]

let's see, there's "bridge at start", "bridge at start", "hab dreyko", "ghost statue" (also known as "water purifying mission")

"throneside", "other throneside"

[rare arrow]

That and hab dreyko felt like I always had scuffed teammates on

[long wharf]

"carnival", "newer carnival"

[rare arrow]

Relay station but backwards

Don’t forget that one

[long wharf]

"metal fab"

and "that one repair mission"

[olive ember]

Im not sure if TRS is still bugged for plasteel spawns but before you tended to get a bunch of newer players on it

[shadow wigeon]

It was fixed some time ago.

[olive ember]

You could typically tell by the mid event tho

The amount of times I’ve had teammates who can’t do the mid event

[fluid aspen]

I'm just going Quickplay, I don't even care

[olive ember]

I quickplay but yeah

It’s why you see those L takes like “why join a mission with grims if you don’t want to do grims”

It’s called quickplay

[long wharf]

a couple of times, I've run to pick up the grims and to then destroy them

[olive ember]

And it’s better to just ask first anyways

If team wants to do the optional objective

But eh idrc anyways at this point

[long wharf]

many times, I've let someone with a grim who goes down stay down to not deal with the grim corruption any more

[fluid aspen]

Could do it on the payoff mission too

[olive ember]

I kinda just play the game and I’m just unfazed when the team wipes to nothing

[long wharf]

I really dislike wasting my time

biggest problem is that there's 0 incentive to care about secondary objectives

book/grim rewards don't scale with difficulty

[olive ember]

Pls don’t do the take of “I wish loot boxes were back”

Anything but that lol

[long wharf]

nah, I'm not a fan of loot boxes

but it'd be nice if we got a ordo/mat multiplier for each book we brought in

give me a reason to want to bring them in

[feral hill]

i think the secondary obj are really dumb

basically not worth th time

[olive ember]

It isn’t

But I also don’t want them to be pseudo mandatory to get gear

Like in VT2 it’s basically you had to take grims if you wanted a decent chance of getting a red

[long wharf]

let's be honest - nobody is gearing up with emperor favors

I run damnations and the emperor gifts me low-rolled purples

fuck that guy

[feral hill]

like, make the reward a random gear drop, then id proabably go out of my way for it

[fluid aspen]

THIS

[long wharf]

I'd suck chaos cock for good mission rewards

[meager trail]

is surge fine with flurry, or do u only want nexus

or is it personal pref

[umbral helm]

I think in my hundreds of hours so far I've received one decent emperor's gift

[feral hill]

is this Heretical?

[long wharf]

you want both

there aren't many options for surge staff

[meager trail]

sorry I didnt specify I meant for voidstrike

[shadow wigeon]

"It's complicated"

[meager trail]

so does it not matter which u take

[earnest steppe]

has anyone got a good build rec for HM twins?

[shadow wigeon]

There are many ways to build void.
Flurry feels good.
Nexus makes more sense if you're leaning into a crit build, but it does increase damage.

[flint plover]

Surge and Nexus feels good on the void

but yeah, Flurry is nice for comfort if you dont mind less crits or no Surge

[shadow wigeon]

Flurry/Transfer Peril
Nexus/Surge
are 2 common paths to take, you can mix it up as well.

[flint plover]

i think Blazing Spirit is a fairly poor choice for void

[meager trail]

ok gotcha, ive been running flurry with surge and it feels pretty good just tryna min max

[shadow wigeon]

I like running it, but it just isn't very strong. Good enough for auric damn because the void is strong.

[shadow wigeon]

My friend prefers that mix.
Nexus/Surge works in particular because Surge can proc on the bolt attack or the charged attack.
Flurry only benefits you if you use charged attacks. Which is fine, just bear that in mind, fi you're trying to squeeze the most out of it.

[meager trail]

ok thanks

[fluid aspen]

Okay that's bullshit. I went down, stuck at 100% peril, got revived and my head exploded

[feral hill]

gonna try to start a gun psyker build, what blessings/weapons should i be looking for? suggestions??

[lethal lagoon]

Columbus mk5, dumdum fire frenzy

Laspistol, dumdum inferous

Revolver, surgeical hand cannnon

Both old revolver and laspistol are better.

Happy gunking. Assail Columbus mk5 ds4 is probably the highest DPS build in the game.

[fluid aspen]

1400 crits with my Purg Scrier build

[hasty breach]

i want a laspistol

[long wharf]

I mean, with the columnus IAG, you really don't even need assail

[lethal lagoon]

quick horde clear + ammo economy

[long wharf]

you aren't seeing purge do 1400 on crits

[lethal lagoon]

Read that again lmao

[fluid aspen]

I dealt a critical strike 1400 times on my Purg Scrier build

[long wharf]

oh, that makes far more sense

[fluid aspen]

[zinc phoenix]

Time to blow all my money attempting to roll a god tier Burgatus

[glossy ember]

🅱️urgatus

[long wharf]

we need a discord emoji of the Beta symbol from the helmets

[cursive timber]

i have a feeling its gonna take a while to get a better sword lol

[zinc phoenix]

BEHOLD! the ideal burgatus has been rolled!

[long wharf]

I'd much prefer Slaughterer on Illisi, since it's best against hordes

[lethal lagoon]

Is that... a good illy?

[vocal iron]

thanks hadron

[zinc phoenix]

yeah who gives a shit about resist on force sword

[lethal lagoon]

I don't mean the stats, I mean there's 3 things wrong with that sword

[zinc phoenix]

unless youre doin the masturstation meme

[lethal lagoon]

I guess it's personal preference though 🤷‍♂️

[zinc phoenix]

deflector good actually and unstable meh

[long wharf]

you definitely want First Target as high as you can get it

[zinc phoenix]

but imo its totally usable

[zinc phoenix]

yall memein but you know this actually a good burgatus lmao

dump stat damage like 😂

[lethal lagoon]

They buffed the base damage of purg, so you are dumping a lot of horde clear DPS

[zinc phoenix]

WAT

fuckin kiddin me

[long wharf]

nope

[zinc phoenix]

i finally roll the blessed burgatus

and they change the rules

[long wharf]

purge does decent direct damage now on the horde

[lethal lagoon]

I mean it's not amazing or anything, but you should have at least 60% damage.

[zinc phoenix]

ffff

well time to feed brunt another half mil

[long wharf]

only half a mil?

gotta pump those numbers up

[zinc phoenix]

probably shoves it up his ass

[lethal lagoon]

Brunt loves me, I can't imagine spending more than 20 rolls to get a upgrabable weapon.

Now perfect weapons... probably 30-40 rolls. Brunt still loves me.

[zinc phoenix]

"i used to do cocaine but then i realized anally inserting millions of murderhobo tickets is a hell of a drug"

• brunt, probably

[fluid aspen]

So close

[long wharf]

need a better mk4 ds

[lethal lagoon]

"I love invalidating your last ten hours of gameplay"
Hadron, probably

[fluid aspen]

I wonder if that 3% finesse is what's stopping me from 1shotting the mutie

[long wharf]

oof, shame you're stuck with unarmored enemies perk

[fluid aspen]

Yeah the other one was poxwalkers

[lethal lagoon]

Pox probably better than unarmored lmao

[vocal iron]

ye

xd

[zinc phoenix]

whats the good build for burgatus these days?

[fluid aspen]

What the fuck is even Unarmored

[vocal iron]

the only enemies i actuatlly remember that are unarmored are the dreg gun captains and snipers

LOL

[zinc phoenix]

like how do you build burgatus stick now that damage actually matters

[fluid aspen]

I thought poxwalkers were too but they are infested

[lethal lagoon]

The exact same way

[glossy ember]

quell dump I guess?

[vocal iron]

those are groaners

[fluid aspen]

OOh right

[lethal lagoon]

I like purg with the double shields for double BB action.

[long wharf]

shame you didn't go DD action

[fluid aspen]

In that case yeah poxwalkers would've been better lol

[lethal lagoon]

That's a bit too intimidating.

[zinc phoenix]

ok gentlemen it burger time

[long wharf]

no, I'm grilling steaks tonight

[zinc phoenix]

Just rolled a four psyker histg group but the other three were giant vbags and left

[shadow wigeon]

Scrier's Purg if you are a madlad.
2x Wall + EP/BB is broad utility build and defence, but not damage necessarily

[zinc phoenix]

Could have been cool

[zinc phoenix]

No I don’t mean talent build lol

I went flurry/nexus/crit/flak

[long wharf]

could have suffered hard against monstrosities

[zinc phoenix]

I just duel them for the memes

[shadow wigeon]

Oh well the staff you dont have a lot of choices.
yeah that's about it. +unyielding is an option for boss damage, if you dont go EP/BB.

[long wharf]

I wouldn't bother with +unyielding on purge

against bosses, you simply use something else you brought to deal with them

[shadow wigeon]

Purg struggles to do ~~significant ~~top-tier damage now. Fewer hordes, and elites are bursted down too quickly for the damage to always matter. Scrier's changes it up a bit, but it's a very glass cannon build.

[fluid aspen]

Getting shafted by anything with a gun tbh

[glossy ember]

rip purg

[ornate hamlet]

Unarmored is uhhh

[fluid aspen]

Useless

[ornate hamlet]

Dreg shooters, dreg bruisers on the body, I think scab shooter arms, scab bruiser heads, dreg gunner heads, snipers and groaners

And maybe dreg shotgunner heads?

[fluid aspen]

So stuff that dies easily to dueling either way

[ornate hamlet]

Well, if it helps with breakpoints, I like it

Stuff like two-hitting gunners with a specific weapon or something

[shadow wigeon]

Scrier's Purg, w/ Empathic Evasion makes you almost invincible to guns.

[fluid aspen]

Yeah if there is anything in range to get crits on

[shadow wigeon]

Yes, it only procs on actual hits, same with Mettle.

[fluid aspen]

Yeah sadly the burn can't crit

[shadow wigeon]

So you are kinda boned if you have no targets. Speed on Scrier's lets you close the gap more easily.

[glossy ember]

it'd be so good if it could

imagine

[shadow wigeon]

Too good really, you'd just be proccing perma Mettle

[glossy ember]

and perma empathic

[shadow wigeon]

I really wanted to figure out that Purg/Scrier's better.... I wonder if warp siphon/battery is actually ok.

[glossy ember]

If you can stack warp siphon fast enough after triggering scrier

yes

but i'm not sure purg is up to the task

I can do it with surge staff by sniping elites instantly

[shadow wigeon]

with Scrier's you get kills much quicker, and you also kill elites much faster. It's possible I discounted Siphon too quickly.

[glossy ember]

you can probably set up a bunch of burning kills and pop scrier before they die

and hope for the best

[ornate hamlet]

Warp siphon still doesn't reduce scrier's cooldown, I think

[shadow wigeon]

it does not, yeah, we're just ignoring that, and focusing on Tranquility benefit.

[ornate hamlet]

Is that the quell speed one?

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah

[ornate hamlet]

My personal suggestion would be to get the peril reduction nodes instead and run EP or DD

[shadow wigeon]

I personally really dislike Assail. But you need Assail or BB with it, otherwise you are really screwed at range.
BB means no Mind in Motion (which you can skip if you take Scier's WarpSpeed (sped boost) or just live with slow quelling, which i hate.

[ornate hamlet]

Since scrier's gaze can give you -20% peril and there's at least two nodes on the left that can be somewhat accessible from the right tree

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah I did DD w/ Scrier Purg and it worked OK, but was inconsistent.

[ornate hamlet]

And it's not like you're benefitting from the weakspot kill alternative on scrier

Granted it also brings the problem of DD stacks because you also don't have weakspot to get double stacks

[shadow wigeon]

DD wastes a point in True Aim (unless you are using Assail, I suppose)

[shadow wigeon]

I would just take the 30s time boost, i dont bother with 2x on weakspot. Staying at 15 stacks isnt too hard.
the 30 stack option does not seem possible.

Also, quell on kill DD isn't nothing either

but inconsistent with Purg, you often have no idea where the D target is and you get stacks randomly.

[untold niche]

anyone play this game on hdd?

[ornate hamlet]

Aye

[zinc phoenix]

burgatus sucks

ngl

i knew it would be mid but wow

what is the point of this thing

[mint cipher]

for a grey, whats the verdict?

[zinc phoenix]

Poo

[umbral badge]

is scryers gaze fixed now? last time i played it the peril generation did not slow down for kills, which makes it useless for me as it is too risky for too little benefit. 20% crit sounds nice, but you gain little benefit from it as the guns all crit well enough and 10% pittiful damage bonus is laughable and if you play scyers gaze with staffs the extra risk is not worth it as it doesnt give you much in relation. also i think the 20% toughness resistence was bugged too as it did not feel any reduction in incomming damage. kinda stupid we gain little toughness as it is a pittiful damage reduction for a class that has the minimum toughness and scales the worst with it - great design 😛 the skill needs serious fixing and a buff. just play your columnus autogun without scyers gaze but with shield and auto brainburst and you kill as fast and gain utility. pointless skill.

[mint cipher]

Compared to this which would be solid I'm guessing? Warp resistance is mediocre right?

[shadow wigeon]

Well LOW warp res can be beneficial but it isn’t necessary

[umbral badge]

generally i dont play much anymore 😛 only played psyker and it feels useless compared to other classes. everyone kills faster all other classes can also nullify hordes and im not a glass cannon - just glass.

[mint cipher]

So in that case, this would almost be better?

[left dagger]

yeah can opener rippergryn can nuke big guys easily while handling hordes with shield bash, voidstriker has stagger and dome shield, but slower to kill and charge up

[glossy ember]

went into damnation to try out this build, no idea what i'm doing with this staff

[umbral badge]

yeah i dont even dare to ask my friends to play the hardmode event bosses with me as i am literally useless in that encounter due to too much incomming damage, im mostly just busy staying alive then helping with the fight.

if all enemies come from all sides and all specialists spawn it is almost impossible to not get hit 2 times - which means toughness gone and im most likely down also

oh and of course ragers in addition cause it needs to be challenging right? 😛 i remember when with all the shitty slot machine randomisation mechanics at least i had fun in the missions.

[untold niche]

how are the load times

[ornate hamlet]

The initial one is fucking painful

When you load to character select, it takes a year

When you load to the Mourningstar, a decade

Then when you enter your first match, it's a stutterfest for a few seconds

After that it's honestly fine

[untold niche]

i put total war wh3 on my hdd and load times even AFTER battles end its insane

and my ssd

only 250 gb

so theres that :v

[ornate hamlet]

Some assets are slow to load when you come back to the Mourningstar or open your inventory

But when it comes to performance, after that initial hurdle of launching the game, I'd argue it's near indistinguishable

Even the loading times into missions are pretty decent

[untold niche]

damn even on ssd the morning star load is decently long

[ornate hamlet]

I'll see if I can find my SSD and HDD

[ornate hamlet]

HD Toshiba 1TB Sata III 3.5 7200RPM, HDWD110XZSTA
SSD Kingston 120GB SSDNow A400 SATA 3 2.5 Solid State Drive, SA400S37/120G

[umbral badge]

how often do you even use scyers gaze in that loadout? i played somethign similar for a bit when i tested my options with it.

[ornate hamlet]

The HDD costed almost twice as much as the SSD

[glossy ember]

i just press it when it's up and i see think there are elites

[untold niche]

does darktide cloud save save your mods?

[glossy ember]

nah

pretty fun build nonetheless. Quelling strike with surge blessing and scrier makes for good memes

[near drift]

If your motherboard can support multiple, going with the internal MVMe SSDs has made my load times across all games about as fast as they can possibly go

Darktide just has slow lobby loading times tho cuz it has to sync with other players in the space

[untold niche]

what is insane is that my appdata file takes around 30gb

[zinc phoenix]

I’d personally use this one, it’s ok. Not god tier but good enough for auric damn for sure

It will work well with using peril for blocking so there’s that 😂

[shadow wigeon]

that's pretty memey Deimos. On balance, yes I would actually take this one.

Assuming you use the warp res for something, like Unstable/Warp Rider

Deimos can't pump peril like Illisi, so using it to quell for Quietitude isn't great, ut the lower your wrap res, the more you'll get out of it at least.

[shadow wigeon]

You are doing something wrong, then...

[zinc phoenix]

I love deimos it is best blade

And I will have you know I studied the blade

While you were all masturmating

[shadow wigeon]

Well, I gave Siphon a serious shot with Scrier's. It's not a hard no, but it's messy. I went Battery, to see if I could get 6 stacks inside fo Scrier's, and sometimes I did, but mostly not.
Also, faced with a boss, you can keep your WC stacks, or pop Scrier's, but not really both, unless there are enough adds to get stacks back, which there were not both times a boss showed up.
That said, 6 stacks with Scrier's is very strong (tranq benefit is noticeable) but your window is pretty short at 6 stacks and Scriers. However, you will come out of Scrier's with 5-6 stacks, and +27-30% damage for 10 seconds, which is a lot of power.
Having the timing line up for that was kinda random though.

TLDR It might be ok to use Siphon and Scrier's... but man Purg is just such a disappointing staff to use these days.

[glossy ember]

Yeah without a way to instantly kill elites as soon as scrier starts it's a bit hzrd

with surge staff I'm usually at 4-6 stack at 6-12 seconds of scrier

if I luck out on random teammate kills even earlier

[shadow wigeon]

You know I main Surge so much w/ Flames and I've never tried Scrier's with it.

[glossy ember]

do it its fun

i main it

its da goat

[shadow wigeon]

I think it would be hard to dethrone my Surge/Flames build but im open to it - what's your build?

[glossy ember]

it wont beat creeping flames in pure damage output

but it's not bad

lemme see if i can find my build on my phone

[shadow wigeon]

I still want to mak ScrierSiphonPurg work, there's gotta be way....

[glossy ember]

you can drop malefic momentum for a talent of ur choice if u want

[shadow wigeon]

I was going to ask, what's malefic for?

[glossy ember]

i just use it to maximize warp siphon downtime

prep up before a scrier when i can

if i cant then w/e

[shadow wigeon]

What's your melee?

[glossy ember]

but if i can get a few stacks it's big

combat knife mk6

lemme find clips

[shadow wigeon]

Blessings on knife? I'm assuming you use it with scrier's for crit sometimes?

[glossy ember]

one clip here

another here

[glossy ember]

uncanny flesh tearer, maniac unyielding

it's a mobility stick really

see clips

another clip

and one last

should give u a rough idea

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah, I know what you want to use it for, I just haven't bothered trying it yet. Scrier's crit benefits makes it make more sense.

[bleak tulip]

oh you just surge cancel thats how you play gaze

that checks out

[glossy ember]

ye

[bleak tulip]

what do you do when that gets fixed

[glossy ember]

i refund the game

[bleak tulip]

[glossy ember]

also

until i'm proven wrong

not a glitch

not an exploit

[bleak tulip]

[glossy ember]

surge cancelling as god intended

[swift grail]

I've uploaded a video (yesterday) showcasing the Scrier's Siphon Purgatus build you are looking for.
(build linked in the description)

It absolutely WRECKS everything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WNRYmZfKgk
(if you watch the first 20 seconds you'll see what I'm talking about - ofc you can watch all of it, the video is full of clutches and crazy combo kills, for real)

[bleak tulip]

I love how consistently the only way that surge isnt dogshit is with glitches

truly the saddest stick

[shadow wigeon]

Nah dude Surge/Flames is huge. Easy my #1.

[glossy ember]

cant be an exploit if it exists since game came out

[bleak tulip]

[quartz bramble]

Is Malleus Monstronum bugged? I've soloed 5 monstrosities, but still can't get the penance. I am sure we played in private game on heresy difficulty, i was only player damaging them, i don't have soulblaze talents active

[bleak tulip]

did you only use BB

[quartz bramble]

yep

[bleak tulip]

becasue it worked for me in like patch 14 or so

shouldnt be bugged

finally got around to it then

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah I was testing with with Mind in Motion, but without Wildfire it was really bugging me. Ok so DS4 is what you close the gap on armor for. I wish I loved that sword, maybe I'll give ti a try again.

[glossy ember]

could always use deimos or knife

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah Deimos is default, I find on Scrier's I'm using Deflector/Unstable, which I don't love. I feel bad dropping Shred, but maybe it doesn't matter.

Knife might make the most sense though.

[swift grail]

Shred doesn't matter. you get +20% crit chance from Scrier's Gaze.
Also, I'd rather go Illisi with Exorcist + Uncanny or Uncanny + Unstable Power (since im using it to deal with carapace)

[shadow wigeon]

I think you may be playing it wrong.... Surge/Flames is very strong.

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah I run Illisi/Exo on my other Scrier's build, I just am to used to Deimon on Purg for the big targets. But I hadn't thought of using Uncanny on it, hmm.

[untold widget]

if you aren't specifically queueing private in the options, it's not private. just because its a premade doesn't mean its a private game

[quartz bramble]

i turned private game off and on to make sure it was private

[untold widget]

well I did mine 2 weeks ago, so it worked as of then

just got a shieldgryn to tank a DH, and let a zealot and another shieldgryn handle any adds

[quartz bramble]

i killed three DH that way

[untold niche]

game was too big for my ssd
I had to clear localization files so that my disk space used isn't red
thanks for the help

[untold widget]

dunno then

[untold widget]

gotta get a bigger drive than that my guy

[untold niche]

i got this PC in 2017

im too lazy to bring my tower to the shop to have them install the SSD

man too dumb to learn how to install SSD too.

[untold widget]

well I just used a drive copier to clone my drive onto a bigger ssd

[untold niche]

i have a 1tb harddisk but total war warhammer 3 was slow as shit on that

[untold niche]

im pretty sure you could just boot linux from usb and type in a one liner to do this

[untold widget]

I'm upgrading my shit soon when income tax return gets here, and thinking about going nvme, but I don't think our nvme cloner will work with an ssd

[untold niche]

i don't think nvme worth

[untold widget]

its just so fast tho

and a tb isn't that pricey

[fluid aspen]

Really wish Purg could move faster while doing the charged attack

Can't get in range of gunners and can't hit anyone to get EE

Is this what playing Zealot feels like?

[jolly raptor]

maybe you don't belong in that skill

difficulty

[fluid aspen]

"git gud" the universal solution

Thank you very helpful

[jolly raptor]

brother what can i say

[fluid aspen]

nothing

[jolly raptor]

lemings

im gonna maul you

[fluid aspen]

Go ahead

That means you have to get into Purgatus range

[jolly raptor]

but you do not have skill to use it

as you said earlier

[fluid aspen]

I mean I do, just not fun having to sit back until gunners are cleared

Would be nice if I had some effective range beyond 3 meters

[jolly raptor]

i think

i know why you cannot play

[fluid aspen]

Do enlighten me

[jolly raptor]

are you from eu or us?

[fluid aspen]

What does that have to do with anything

[jolly raptor]

brother eu and us have no good gamers

if they get in my game i'm very upset because

[fluid aspen]

[bleak tulip]

cant play it wrong if I dont play it

[ornate hamlet]

I think it outlines why exclusively using a staff is not good

[bleak tulip]

surge could get removed right now and I would not even notice

all the other staves are innately better and more fun

[ornate hamlet]

Even when I was using my brand new monitor off staff I still had to play to its handful of weaknesses

[shadow wigeon]

I had not respected how quickly Uncanny Illisi tears down Crushers... yeah that makes a big difference with that build.

[zinc phoenix]

I think Burgatus would be better with the thing that lets you run while spergging

But man it is slooooooow without that

[prime elk]

surge is great

very chill to use

[near gale]

So, uh, how good is this dueling sword 4, asside from the cleave damage being a tad bit low?

This is what I am currently working with 👇

[quasi grotto]

I don't think you're looking at cleave much when using a dueling sword

[snow monolith]

hey just asking does surge interact with the secondary action of trauma staff?

charged attack*

[plucky flax]

Nein.

[snow monolith]

ty

[polar spindle]

How good are the blessings on this https://i.gyazo.com/a0c1d33d3b8a19d3eb98286dcb578724.png

Melk selling this and it sounds good on paper but I don't use chainswords a whole lot

considering using a chainsword on my psyker though

[near gale]

How does this voidstrike look, despite the low warp resist? <.<

[night hornet]

On the psycher talents it's unfair to exclude brain burst psychers who would benefit from it the most from having access to Mind in motion which would really help that talent. I suggest putting a talent path atraight across line between Psykenetic's Aura to mind in motion. This would open it up for the brain busters out there. A talent this vital to survival should be available to all three tier 1 talents.

[bleak tulip]

kinda low damage you can do better

[polar spindle]

I rate it: would use it / 10

[near gale]

I honestly could change both blessings on this

[bleak tulip]

also kinda crap perks

[near gale]

it's my first "okay" voidstrike

[night hornet]

It's a 335 modifiers I would pass

[polar spindle]

first voidstrike, very good

[fading shoal]

that is a skip or at least buy it to use Earn Blessing and keep Bloodthirsty

[near gale]

It is like my first "good" heavy sword, but, actually immensely better than that heavy sword was

[polar spindle]

but yes much to iumprove

[bleak tulip]

I mean might as well do the transfer flurry its very comfy

but its not ideal

[shadow wigeon]

It's fine. Mid-level. You have your blessings, change range crit damage to something else.

[night hornet]

All the good psychers are rocking nomanus staffs right now they are psycher sniper rifles.

[near gale]

I hate the voidestrike staff, tbh

[polar spindle]

yeah thats what im wondering, any blessings worth getting there

kk

[near gale]

I've never liked the feel or how it hit enemies

[near gale]

It wasn't trip my trigger

The fucking surge staff hits my trigger more than the voidstrike, which is kinda pathetic x.x

[shadow wigeon]

Get those headshots bowling balls going its pretty cool.

[near gale]

I don't really like the staff, though

I would even go as far as to say I hate it

[bleak tulip]

okay?

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah I don't love it either, but it's strong

[near gale]

I KNOW it is good and useful

[bleak tulip]

then why you asking about it

[night hornet]

I think they should add a bigger explosion to voidstrike to make it more competitive

[near gale]

I am morbidly curious for when I hate myself enough to start using it

[shadow wigeon]

Flurry/Transfer is a good build to try

Very general purpose

[near gale]

Would another kinda okay build be transfer and surge with this talent?

[wild elk]

this is fine to work on it right ?

[near gale]

This kind of build actually sounds kind of fun to me tbh

warp transfer for keeping your peril from getting too high, true aim for free crits from headshots into enemies, then free surges for 2 shot on the next shot

I know, kind of niche... but it feels more like a me type of build

[bleak tulip]

sure

[night hornet]

I wrote a modification to the toggle quell mod so that it autoquells after a certain peril threshold. You set the slider from 0% to 100% and when it reaches that level it will start a quell but you can override it if needed. It doesn't perfectly protect you but it will reduce the one too many blowups

[near gale]

like, uh, this mess of the bottom of my main build that I have xD

[night hornet]

You can also still manually toggle the quell as well

[near gale]

I really like having the 30% faster quell speed >.>

[night hornet]

Me too

[near gale]

with brain rupture and this aura and career

and this mess at the start x.x

[night hornet]

This is my version of it

/usetalents psyker 17;1|1,2|1,4|1,5|1,6|1,8|1,9|1,15|1,16|1,27|1,28|1,33|1,34|1,38|1,40|1,43|1,45|1,47|1,48|1,50|1,52|1,54|1,57|1,59|1,68|1,69|1,72|1,75|1,77|1,81|1

[near gale]

I also went for the faster charge speed of brain burst/rupture on career skill use, because that has very unique uses that I find myself wanting quite often

Besides Kinetic Resonance... I don't have any of the extras branching off of career skills/blitz'

I know you want to be spending as little time as you can casting brain rupture... but for things like bosses, I don't have anything that's much better... and it does more damage to crushers than my surge does when I am too much of a bitch baby to get in close >.>'

[shadow wigeon]

True Aim procs on every headshot, which can be multiple per charges shot in a horde. The extra shot from surge can also proc it

[brave fiber]

Realistically how much does blast radius matter on voidstrike

[long wharf]

not a lot

[brave fiber]

Because melk is selling a pretty damn good void but with a little subpar blast radius

[long wharf]

the AoE damage is almost negligible

[brave fiber]

can’t get a pic rn but it’s a 380 void with surge and nexus 3, 78-80 In every stat but blast radius

[shadow wigeon]

Blast radius has a very narow margin anyway, so a good roll is not very different from a bad roll. You'll lose a bit of CC, but the damage part of the blast is tiny, regardless of the value of Blast Radius

[long wharf]

meh, you aren't using void for any CC it causes (via suppressing/terrifying enemies)

you just blast whole lines of enemies away

charge and repeat

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah it's really irrelevant

[long wharf]

it's stupid effective

[snow dust]

I've been doing decently enough with surge staff

and oddly...purg staff

[long wharf]

purge only really shines on high heresy+

[snow dust]

I only run auric damnation

Purg can hard counter maulers and pox bursters

[long wharf]

where enemy density can be enough to push the team back

[brave fiber]

Despite popular belief purgatus is really strong

[snow dust]

Aye it just feels bad since the TTK is high

[long wharf]

purge being weak isn't a popular belief

[brave fiber]

Not as much as other staffs but still strong

[long wharf]

purge used to be weaker

now its direct damage is better

[snow dust]

but it literally hard counters maulers, ragers, and poxbursters.

[brave fiber]

A lot of people here shit on it a lot tbh

[long wharf]

because it's simply not as good as the other staves

[snow dust]

all while clearing out hordes and can do respectably against ranged mobs

[long wharf]

it's not bad, per se

[snow dust]

The animation is fekking trash though. Blinds you and your team without mods. =/

[long wharf]

just not as good as void or trauma

[snow dust]

working on getting a decent trauma staff. Still no luck Q_Q

[long wharf]

you have to have a solid Gacha mindset

[snow dust]

Much sad

[long wharf]

keep pulling the lever, you'll get what you want eventually

[snow dust]

Aye I'm pulling but I have negative luck

[long wharf]

the best approach to Darktide's "crafting" system is to not upgrade to orange unless you're either hunting for a specific t4 blessing or it's a weapon worth using

[snow dust]

I'm hunting for blazing spirit

and it's not going well

[long wharf]

welp, all you can do is continue pulling the lever

[snow dust]

or rending shockwave

actually...fek I just want any T4. I keep getting T2 and T3 rolls

[long wharf]

crafting in Darktide is mostly gambling, not actual crafting

[snow dust]

Aye

So I got T4 Surge on Trauma but...it's bugged and only works on the LMB attack?

[long wharf]

that said - as soon as Hadron bricks your weapon, pull off the blessing you want and sell the staff

and if you already have a t4 blessing, on a staff that's likely to roll a second t4, put the t4 you do have on it when purple

the crafting RNG influences the quality of what rolls based on the weapon's total item level compared to its current maximum item level

so a 380 white is likely to roll a t4 perk (though not guaranteed)

[snow dust]

Wait, why put it on when purple?

Wat?

That's a thing?

[long wharf]

a 420 green is likely to roll a t4 blessing going to blue

[snow dust]

hrrm

[long wharf]

a high item level purple with a t4 blessing you don't want is likely to roll a second t4 blessing

a well-rolled purple with a t3 blessing will benefit from you replacing the t3 with a t4

and replacing a non-t4 perk with a t4 perk

in order to up the item level of the purple

[snow dust]

k k

[brave fiber]

Wha

[long wharf]

it's all about current_item_level / maximum_item_level

this isn't tinfoil-hat-theory

[brave fiber]

I feel like my entire worldview has changed

[long wharf]

it's confirmed through thousands of collective hours of people pulling the slot-machine lever

[brave fiber]

Damn dude

[long wharf]

this is why a shit-rolled white, say a 310, isn't worth upgrading at all

[snow dust]

So I'm not crazy for only upgrading 360+ gear into higher rarities when searching for T4 blessings?

[long wharf]

you are highly unlikely to see a t4 perk nor t4 blessing

[brave fiber]

My cutoff is anything 360 or above

[long wharf]

yep, I target 360+

that seems to be the safer lower end for reliably expecting t4 perks and blessings

but still, nothing is guaranteed

if it were, it wouldn't be called gambling

[snow dust]

What if we pray really, really hard to the God-Emperor?

[long wharf]

let me know if he answers

[brave fiber]

Still, I can’t believe I didn’t know about the rebless before consecrating tech

[long wharf]

he certainly doesn't work at FartShack

it's not "tech", just a bit of logic when you understand the underlying system

[snow dust]

He responded via text to speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcYrTCGKyrU

[long wharf]

I've been meaning to watch those videos

thanks for the link

[snow dust]

You should, they're the best and most lore-accurate videos of 40k

[long wharf]

definitely my understanding as well

[snow dust]

Surge staff is really bad against hordes.

....unless you spam LMB

then it's surprisingly decent against hordes.

[long wharf]

yep, not what the surge staff is good at

[night hornet]

My demos sword is my horde clearler

clearer

[brave fiber]

Struggling to find a reason to use surge over void

[snow dust]

Use void, it's stronger

[brave fiber]

I do

[snow dust]

surge is when you're lazy and want to kill things without really aiming

[brave fiber]

But palpatine build is thematically cool

[snow dust]

Wish void's charge up was more like surge staff's charge up.

Void charge is so fekking slow

[brave fiber]

Surge chains need to do more damage

Then it would be a cool hybrid of horde clear and single target

[brave fiber]

I mean if you can one tap crushers with void I think it’s warranted

[near gale]

Okay, the build I designed for the voidstrike staff seems good even with a voidstrike without surge, which is nice

[rare mesa]

@spice veldt ok u were right purg is so braindead but it's kinda comfy

[snow dust]

d('-')

[spice veldt]

ikr just point in the general direction and stuff dies with time

[snow dust]

What perks are you running on it? Flak + crit chance?

[spice veldt]

something to ✨spice✨ things up is that the soulblaze application timer is per-enemy

[rare mesa]

flak unarmoured

[snow dust]

and nexus + flurry?

[spice veldt]

so the optimal strat is to wave your mouse around (but not too quickly)

nexus + flurry yeah

[snow dust]

why not crit chance for the higher burn stacks?

[rare mesa]

cuz

idk thats just how it rolled

[spice veldt]

for perks, idk I just have unarmoured and infested since it's whatever

[rare mesa]

i dont think terrifying barrage is worth on purg

[spice veldt]

5% more chance to apply 1 extra stack is pretty whatever

[snow dust]

It's not but I didn't have a hadron reroll available after getting flak + crit chance

[bleak tulip]

wonder if unarmored is gonna grill shit faster

or if it doesnt end up mattering

[vocal cliff]

This doesn't seem too bad, I could swap the terrifying barrage with surge

[snow dust]

aye

and use the last reroll to put +crit chance to proc surge more often

[shadow wigeon]

It’s not just the extra stack, it’s Mettle, Perfect Timing, Empathic Evasion as well.

[bleak tulip]

tbh all of those should be maxed with purg anyway

[limber silo]

Sometimes I die on purpose because I have food and I'm hungry. Just thought I should get that off my chest ebfore the new year

[snow dust]

you mad lad

[limber silo]

The God-Emperor has brought me chicken nuggets, I would be insane to not eat them

[spice veldt]

sure, but purg is already comfortably maintaining those

[snow dust]

wish I had a reroll available to put +flak instead of +crit hit damage.
=/

[spice veldt]

once you're already past that, then it's whatever

[limber silo]

I could do with or without the 5% tbh. Maniac and Flak are nice on purge

but the 5% makes the monkey brain know more thing is good

[bleak tulip]

you already kill ragers pretty fast why run maniac

thats the only thing youre realistically killing a lot with purg

[limber silo]

To kill them faster

But you make the point I made when I decided on the 5% crit over maniac

[bleak tulip]

it all feels pretty whatever in the gand scheme

might as well slap on unyielding to kill bosses faster which also barely matters lol

[snow dust]

What are the best blessings/perks on the Macarena Dueling Sword?

[bleak tulip]

number?

[snow dust]

Shred?

MK4

[bleak tulip]

uncanny shred

prob

uncanny 100%

second is kind of flavor

I run shred

[snow dust]

Shred seems pretty strong

+20% bonus crit chance for just swinging away?

[bleak tulip]

depends on if you stab more or also sometimes light attack

I found you dont trigger rampage enough but thats an option

[snow dust]

The stacks stay up as long as you don't miss

and if you're in a horde you're basically never going to miss

[bleak tulip]

I mean I run shred, you dont have to concinve me

[snow dust]

Aye, rampage is overrated on the dueling swords.

Not enough cleave to reliably trigger

if it was more like power sword or chainsword then it would work well

[bleak tulip]

you can do it semi reliably with push attack but I dont like the upkeep of that

[snow dust]

aye

[bleak tulip]

also I basically only ever stab with it anyway

[snow dust]

same

only reason to be taking it out is because crushers/bulwarks/ragers/maulers are in my face

[rare arrow]

How many rolls to scuff it?

[snow dust]

take it to yellow

do it

[rare arrow]

not the best start

[snow dust]

not the worst either

[rare arrow]

oo

came out ok

Reroll riposte and a perk and it's not terrible

[snow dust]

That's totally usable

[bleak tulip]

I wuold probably roll flak to maniac but I am also a crit enjoyer

[snow dust]

I stole your sword

[rare arrow]

hm I could keep riposte or make it uncanny

[bleak tulip]

uncanny

[snow dust]

You already have enough +crit chance.

[bleak tulip]

not even a question

[snow dust]

T4 shred with +4% melee crit chance

I mean.....might as well get uncanny

Only reason I haven't changed mine is I don't have a T4 uncanny to replace it

[bleak tulip]

use 3 then, doesnt matter anyway

only stacks to 100% anyway

[snow dust]

it matters, only the best Q(-.-Q)

[sage breach]

Anyone looking to do the Malleus Monstronum penance? 😭

That one where the psyker has to do all the damage to a monstrosity. You get some sick armor out of it

[snow dust]

mostly because I don't want to grind more than I have to.

[bleak tulip]

the fifth stack on uncanny 4 is literally wasted anyway and uncanny is one of the best blessings in the game

[rare arrow]

So riposte to uncanny and flak to maniac

[bleak tulip]

just put 3 on and replace it with 4 if you want later lmao

[snow dust]

think you can leave flak. MK4 dueling swords melts maniacs anyways

Just stab the face and it dies

[rare arrow]

agreed

[bleak tulip]

maniac makes one shot on muties easier and less buff dependent

its a big difference

[rare arrow]

I'll just reroll riposte to omething

[snow dust]

shrug it's up to you.

I haven't had any issue stabbing maniacs in face

[bleak tulip]

just makes it more consistent at the main job of the thing

[rare arrow]

or maybe reroll it to finesse

[bleak tulip]

you dont understand how good uncanny is

[rare arrow]

precog lol

[snow dust]

Kek

[rare arrow]

my current DS uses uncanny

[snow dust]

He underestimates it's power? Something, something high ground?

[rare arrow]

I mean uncanny strikes would be very good with the high ground

[snow dust]

ah fek I joined a game but didn't see which staff loadout I took

[ornate hamlet]

Fellas

I think we are being surrounded by a tide of darkness

A dark tide, if you will

[long wharf]

the darkened tidings, even

[near drift]

"every dark has its tide" - John Darktide

[snow dust]

The best part was when John Darktide arrived and said "It's Tiding Time"

and Tide'd all over the place

[near gale]

I just realized... my plan to make a transfer peril surge voidstrike has been hampered by the fact I forgot that I only have Surge ripped off of a trauma staff and not a voidstrike staff...

[snow dust]

rip

[near gale]

I can at least get that dueling sword when I get some more melk bucks

Which means I remain just as fervant in my cause to doing missions >.>

[ornate hamlet]

I'm new to the game and noticed that one of the Psyker outfits was more expensive than the other 2 - do more expensive outfits do anything unique?

[olive ember]

Lol no

[ornate hamlet]

Cheers, good to know

[lethal lagoon]

They definitely don't recolor outfits and then mark them up 300%

[olive ember]

Look it’s to reflect their high quality

[lethal lagoon]

[gloomy magnet]

nah it cant be real

[olive ember]

It’s real

[gloomy magnet]

looks so funny 😭

[half iron]

mechanicus gathering😳😳😳

[topaz sleet]

good replacement?

[manic halo]

does blazing spirit only go up to leve 3?

[small anchor]

hey gang im a zealot who's played a bit of psyker, and i recently tried making a melee psyker. i was wondering what i should go for on the dueling sword? the weapon mark, perks and blessings. this is what im using atm cos i mainly run voidstrike and a deimos on psyker

i got the materials to dump too so i dont really care if i need specific t4 blessings

if yall have any other melee recommendations, please do let me know

[potent zenith]

this good?

[olive ember]

Mk 4 dueling sword typically since it’s back to back stabs on its heavies

[strong gulch]

I'd keep the one you have equipped and replace unyeilding with flak (unless you specifically like unyeilding) and rip the warp flurry 3 off the new staff.

[strong gulch]

Blazing spirit only goes to T3 on staves and T4 on force swords.

[manic halo]

im sad

[small anchor]

what blessings should i go for? rampage shred?

[topaz sleet]

i cant replace the tier 2 flurry on my current staff so do i just rip it off the new staff and save it for a better replacement?

[small anchor]

im considering just taking the illisi over the dueling sword, i but i dont know enough to know if thats a good choice

[snow dust]

They're both fine swords

if you have more trouble with hordes, go illisi. Crushers/mutants/bulwrks, go dueling sword

[small anchor]

how does finesse damage work exactly? im new to this, i thought it just applied to dueling sword

im trying to make a melee psyker build, and im using scriers gaze with precognition

i like the heavy swing on illisi though

[strong gulch]

There is a guide up in the pins called the Atheneum. Uncanny strikes is the anchor blessing for DS. There is some wiggle room on them.

Rampage makes hordes easier and can pump up damage but needs to cleave 3 which armor or fewer than 2 targets stops.

Shred is easy to stack up and maintain without compromising your position but takes more time to stack up than riposte. This is my personal pick because it is general use and doesn't depend on certain conditions as much.

Riposte gets you the same crit chance as shred right away, but it requires dodges which can be compromising.

[small anchor]

oh cock, i forgot the rest of yall actually have guides

zealots dont LMAO

[snow dust]

lulz

[ornate hamlet]

Does Cliffhanger require you to use the default blast?

[strong gulch]

Rip flurry off the new staff so you have it to put on another.

[small anchor]

yea mines reposte rampage atm

[olive ember]

Just don’t rely on the guide too much

Some stuff in the guide is uh

Debateable

[small anchor]

i go by vibes anyway

[strong gulch]

Yup. lol

[olive ember]

It’s one of the reasons why the zealots don’t have a guide actually

They think all the guides for other classes suck

[small anchor]

just 1 question real quick, do finesse damage buffs affect the illisi's damage?

[strong gulch]

I have a little zealot and was confused by the lack of guide.

[small anchor]

oh, the finesse stat actually affects attack speed too?

[spice veldt]

yeah, 'finesse' as a stat also affects that

[small anchor]

i started on vet and was played vet only for months, then i tried zealot and it was just perfect for me

[spice veldt]

the special has different weakspot/crit multipliers and properties than the normals

it's the same as old psword

crit/weakspot multipliers are lowered and get maintained for the first 3 targets instead of just the first one

[small anchor]

zealot is simple. if you are confused, you just ask a question in zealot chat and people will give 3 different answers, then you pick the answer you think is the coolest

i just rip deflector off this and move on, yea?

[strong gulch]

That's a decent sword. You could keep it, but if you have better, I'd rip uncanny before deflector.

There isn't TONS difference from deflector 1 to 4.

[lethal lagoon]

I thought it was more that half of em are in the knife camp and then the rest camp.

[small anchor]

thats not true at all, the knife zealots are the minority

[olive ember]

most people recognize that knife is kinda mid

but its fun to zoom around so

[small anchor]

oh i can rip uncanny from a random deimon in my inventory

so what do i want? a damage/power blessing and deflector?

[olive ember]

uncanny + wte

probably deflector or slaughterer iirc

or maybe unstable power?

myeh check the guide

anything works with uncanny tho

[small anchor]

i have both unstable and slaught 4 on my main deimos lmao

[strong gulch]

If you want the utility of deflector, I'd do deflector + slaughter. That's going to be your general use illisi.

More damage would be slaughter + uncanny.

[small anchor]

this is for melee psyker specifically so ill probably slap slaught on it

yea the current build is smite, scriers gaze and disrupt destiny, only issue is im playing it like a zealot and charging :D

[lethal lagoon]

Scriers with blazing spirit Illy

Trust me... it's good...

[olive ember]

eh I tried it

[lethal lagoon]

Believe in the me that believes in the blazing spirit Illy

BELIEVE

[olive ember]

oh wait

blazing illy

thats

uh

thats a build

[lethal lagoon]

[small anchor]

huh

that seems interesting

[strong gulch]

Unstable is pretty good if you can keep your peril up.

If force sword is your main peril generator, deimos can't special spam like illisi, so unstable is more finicky on deimos.

[lethal lagoon]

(ᵈᵒⁿ'ᵗ ᵇʳᶦᶜᵏ ʸᵒᵘʳ ˢʷᵒʳᵈˢ, ᴵ'ᵐ ᵒᵇᵛᶦᵒᵘˢˡʸ ʲᵒᵏᶦⁿᵍ)

[strong gulch]

There is a psylot build in the example builds of the Atheneum. It's pretty fun.

[lethal lagoon]

Blazing spirit illy did make me realize that I quite like shred on illy though

[small anchor]

ill go check that out now, thank you

[lethal lagoon]

ds4 with assail for emergency ranged clear is a solid melee build

[strong gulch]

I wish blazing spirit illisi was better. It's so... lack luster inspite of the flames.

[lethal lagoon]

Stack cap needs to be way higher

[small anchor]

it uses the fucking knife mate im not touching that

[strong gulch]

New knife is pretty decent on psyker BUT you can swap out the knife for DS. That's what I did.

[lethal lagoon]

^

Can also force an uncanny force sword in there.

[strong gulch]

true

[small anchor]

ill just try out my current build with the illisi

[strong gulch]

Cool beans. Builds should be for you.

[indigo rain]

so how do I build this? Ive got all the perks already

[potent zenith]

should i swap infested with flak armor?

[lethal lagoon]

Couple options,

1. Nexus tier 1 -> Nexus tier 4, Transfer -> Surge
2. crit hit -> flak, Nexus tier 1 -> Surge

[indigo rain]

I do have nexus 4 so option 1 seems like the better deal

[lethal lagoon]

Oh you don't have surge?

[indigo rain]

yea I do, a tier 3 one

[lethal lagoon]

There's no tier 3 surge

[indigo rain]

wait nvm yea I do

[lethal lagoon]

Nexus Surge is the meta combo for voidstrike.

[indigo rain]

didnt realise its a tier 4 option

[lethal lagoon]

Transfer peril Surge isn't that bad just make sure you have true aim.

Crit hit is generally bad because of Fatshark math, but it might actually be okayish on Surge Voidstrike.

So might be best to swap both blessings 🤷‍♂️

[indigo rain]

I think I'll roll with the more consistent option haha, thanks

some days you just miss everything

[snow dust]

I found out how to make surge staff good against hordes.

Spam LMB at head level horizontally into hordes

[strong gulch]

yee

LMB continues to be underrated.

[hasty breach]

hows the carpal tunnel

[strong gulch]

auto mod (rip console players)

[hasty breach]

macros huh

[prime elk]

its just a mod

[final bison]

Im feeling underhwlmed with warp syphon with Purgatus

Without a lv 4 blessing of charge speed

I feel I need advice

Im stuck at Heresy

And I have good itens

Not optimally crafted

But good enough crafted

A supposedly working build

I dodge

Deflector works but honestly i just stand there taking hits if the team dont take out the ranged commandoes squads

Im just feeling down

[outer vessel]

Skill issue tbh

[final bison]

If anyone can help either guidance I would appreciate

[outer vessel]

Eventually gear is just a quality of life thing

And it comes down to positioning, picking fights, and learning some basic breakpoints

Utilizing stagger and learning spawn points, plus horde funneling

[strong gulch]

Pygex recently did a video on purg tips and tricks.
https://youtu.be/1G9dUk2xLjY?si=B8oXeQ0xzvKdUgMh

[outer vessel]

Also put the bloody staff away when you are surrounded or know for a fact the horde wont die by the time it reaches you

Dodge doge dodge dodge, for all that is holy

[raven basin]

Wait crit is viable on purgatus?

[outer vessel]

And make use of your push attack combos to stuff running attacks and keep enemies from circling you

[final bison]

It works

Still underhwhelmed

I feel like im doing many things wrong and dont know why

And im not a noob

[strong gulch]

Crits apply 2 stacks of soulblaze instead of 1.

[final bison]

Im researching i have reflexes