psyker-class

[vast yew]

I'm pretty sure the toughness nodes and One With the Warp are additive, but I think the Dome's 50% is multiplicative?

[orchid nest]

oh yeah the dome one. I wouldn't be surprised if that was true otherwise ogryns would just be immune with it active

[hot zephyr]

Probably want at least one toughness curio and at least one health one so you don't explode to damage

[untold niche]

no i mean for perks

the actual curio
1x stam
2x toughness

[orchid nest]

as it is now they can already take sniper shots without toughness breaking which requires something like over 1k effective toughness

[summer prairie]

most toughness damage dr is multiplicative

[untold niche]

for curio perk
3x CDR, 3x flat toughness?

[hot zephyr]

Oh curio perks? health/toughness/???, fill ??? with your choice, I prefer gunner resists

[summer prairie]

all psyker toughness dr is multiplicative

[orchid nest]

the nodes like one with the warp or the little passive nodes? I thought all the passive nodes are additive

[untold niche]

curio farm is insane
can't be bothered :p

at most i garuntee two 3x

6 basically

wait

you have three curio

[summer prairie]

I don't know about the little passive nodes

[untold niche]

3x2 is 6

yeah

yeah so i usually only give myself 6 perks to work with

i really can't be bothered to afk in game

just to buy curios

thats dumb as fuck

[orchid nest]

thats what the ogryns told me anyways, they have like 40% in the tree in the little passive nodes that is easy to grab on most of their builds

[hot zephyr]

I mean, my exact setup is:
Health Curio -> Health, Toughness, Gunner Resist
Wound Curio -> Block Eff, Toughness Regeneration Speed, Gunner Resist
Stam Curio -> Block Eff, Health, Toughness

[summer prairie]

according to the mod those are additive

[plucky flax]

I don't take any toughness dr on my ogryn.

[summer prairie]

ogryn needs to lose the base DR they get without picking anything

[untold niche]

personally which 6 out of 9 would you want on psyker?

[primal tusk]

best infantry autogun was the columnus for one reason or another right?

[orchid nest]

it's like impossible to take any damage as ogryn with the base aura, toughness curios, and the little nodes

[vast yew]

yes, and the reason is dps

[wraith talon]

@ornate hamlet do yk if this is decent

ran out of plasteel tho

[hot zephyr]

Health and Toughness help the most, so get two of each of those, then take 1 toughness regen speed and 1 gunner resist if you have to pick 6

[primal tusk]

i just want something accurate with high firerate to trigger the brainbursty stuff

[queen fog]

It’ll do

Bottom roll quell stings but you can make do

[vast yew]

stop taking Flayer

[orchid nest]

I don't even play ogryn that much and I finished the hard mode twins with like 100 damage taken doing the entire level instead of skipping. it's just crazy

[wraith talon]

started getting my ass handed to me in damn so decided to try out a surge

[wraith talon]

true tho

[untold niche]

thanks
bombers are insane this patch and im going for abit of the funny so i went 3x cdr and 3x bomber resist

[primal tusk]

never

[untold niche]

i would prob keep the 3x cdr no li

lie

[ornate hamlet]

I mean i dont use it but the ratings look low

[untold niche]

the 12% cdr verry sexy my dude.

[hot zephyr]

rofl. Bombers are pretty annoying if you don't have a vet with an owl's neck

[queen fog]

Got a nice tip I learned from testing in meat grinder, range of the surge is deceptively long, it’s been a bit since I hopped on to get the exact meters

[ornate hamlet]

Push them

[queen fog]

But I do remember it’s above double digits

[wraith talon]

Yea, just tried it and it’s actually able to reach enemies from across the mg

[untold niche]

sometime you can't kill the bomber
and usually those times is when bomber fucks you up the most :v

i got pretty lucvky in general though

hold up lemme show u

[ornate hamlet]

Sometimes u push them and they dont explode lmao

[hot zephyr]

An EP Assail (RMB) will remove bombers 🙂

[untold niche]

im on voidstrike so fuk u
and thats assuming you can even see the bombur

[strong gulch]

You'll be in a good spot with it after you get the blessings taken care of. It won't be perfect, but it will be really good.

The only reason to roll for a new one would be to min max.

[hot zephyr]

Assail seeks on RMB even if you just get it generally in the right area

[strong gulch]

And because you want to.

[wraith talon]

Thxies. This was actually my first roll lmao

[ornate hamlet]

Surge staff is great for stunning entire hordes of bursters and hounds

[wraith talon]

I ran out of plasteel tho so the blessings’ll have to stick

[untold niche]

58 quell speed tho

isn't that

nasty

[strong gulch]

it's fine

[ornate hamlet]

Yea lol

[wraith talon]

My VS had like 70’s 😭

[ornate hamlet]

If u dont get atleast 2 max level blessings or whatever u gotta reroll

[wraith talon]

ye

[hot zephyr]

Aight, later gators. Finished my weeklies finally so I'm out

[untold niche]

wait u cant go yet

[hot zephyr]

you're right... I need more plasteel....

queues

[untold niche]

2 stamina because i havent seen one w/ 3
even tho im +30

dude i swear the CDR sexy as fuck :v

on maelstrom with faster abilitiies

xD

same cd as 4x warp cahrge

15 seconds iirc

15 seconds vent bro

@hot zephyr

[hot zephyr]

Looks good, I don't run any CDR like that but if you like it, looks good enough

You will feel VERY squishly without extra health. I run 210 health I think on my weaving build

[untold niche]

i think me running only 1x toughness is why i need to take both quietude and soulstealer :v

[hot zephyr]

something like that

[ornate hamlet]

I only have 2 +3 stamina

[untold niche]

most of my deaths/downs comes from beek damage

i doubt running 2x hp will help :v

does it?

[hot zephyr]

Fair, you know you best

[untold niche]

wait

does 2x hp actualyl help

do you feel it?

[hot zephyr]

Yes, constantly.

[untold niche]

i never run it before so i don't know.

[orchid nest]

I run 1x hp currently but I also have 3x health perks on curios

[hot zephyr]

10% from talent, 30% from curios/perks. Helps me a LOT

If I sucked less at noticing a dreg punching me in the back I'd run a second health curio instead of the extra wound

[orchid nest]

puts me at like 220hp iirc

[wraith talon]

Yea definitely feeling the peril but in loving this staff

[wraith talon]

Damn

[untold niche]

isn't that always the sound :v
i find it louder on zealot but with paper hp i learnt to push whenever i hear it

[wraith talon]

My hp’s so squishy 😭

[vast yew]

I think it hits 219

[untold niche]

there*

[vast yew]

I use 2 hp curios + 3 substats and the 10% health talent, gets me 67% extra hp which puts me at 251

is a nice number

[orchid nest]

yeah maybe. I think there is a weird rounding thing going on, it usually shows as 220 but also sometimes 219

[hot zephyr]

I'm partially deaf in one ear from an accident as a child, so... It's a skill issue

[untold niche]

ah sorry boss

wa9it isn't there the spidey sense mod

you can get that

[vast yew]

Curios that have a... 75? 76? score are slightly fake

there's decimal points in the background

because Fatshark

[hot zephyr]

Yeah but that feels kinda cheaty, I just play vanilla

[orchid nest]

oh thats a thing with the hp ones too? smh

[hot zephyr]

I don't wanna deal with mods

I'm also lazy

[untold niche]

on topic of bombur

i feel every few patch they roll a dice and choose which unit is insane

previously its ragers

now its fire.

[hot zephyr]

I remember when a bug caused gunners to never get supressed. That was a fun patch

[orchid nest]

the bombers before the hotfix was insane, I actually prefer these new ones now though vs the instant toughness strip

[wraith talon]

gunners are the bane of my existence

esp when there’s a bunch of em

[untold niche]

personally i hoped that they kept rager hp so they still be as scary but tone down their range and move (and/or attack speed)\

[wraith talon]

and they stunlock

[untold niche]

im sure that patch zealots were stronk

[spice veldt]

ragers having their long dodge catch and movement is the only way they'll really be threatening

even with 2.4k hp and their current offensive stats, they weren't really that threatening

[untold niche]

their lunge attack has fucking insane range

[untold niche]

exactly :v

[spice veldt]

it's so easy to just burst them down or stagger them

[untold niche]

tone down the lunge range and keep HP so they are still scary

[hot zephyr]

Eh, that was pretty close after launch. Things were kinda busted and not great then. Most classes had problems mechanically, the game has really gotten a lot smoother just as a result of class and role refinement in general

[spice veldt]

i'd buff ragers

[untold niche]

but yo ucan still kite them

[spice veldt]

give them more stagger immunity

[vast yew]

Easy there Khorne

[untold niche]

oh i meant isntead of the actual nerf (hp nerf) do that
pre nerf ragers were slightly too good for my taste

like

i couldn't solo 6x ragers

even with crusher :v

[spice veldt]

i'm chastise and twbs-pilled so i could do it

[untold niche]

i am but like :v
just can;t do it without almost or taking fatal damage
esp since in real game you have trash blocking your kiting

like usually its garunteed half bar hp gone

[spice veldt]

i also usually bring stun grenades

or use the power of GUN to kill ragers

poor ragers being either maniac or flak

[hot zephyr]

Aight, later gators, for real this time. ttyl

[spice veldt]

and flak ragers being more easily staggered

[untold niche]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[spice veldt]

cuz the main reason why ragers have so much hp in the first place is so that they can reach you before getting killed by ranged weapons

so i'd give them some ranged damage resistance

[untold niche]

idk i know the right thing to do is pick off a few with revolvo and then 1vx the rest but like, killing ragers / crushers with zealot just feels like im cheating

[wraith talon]

Chat are there curios for peril resistance

[spice veldt]

nay

[wraith talon]

i keep overcharging with my surge 😭

[untold niche]

just play more :v

and get peril gauge mod

[wraith talon]

xbox but im so used to using my vs that i overcharge lmao

[untold niche]

then might be good to know, you only really quell when you touch the staff

when you actually touch the staff

gotta make it tingly

else

just play more

[untold niche]

alot of zealots will cry btw

this means you actually need to melee the melee specialists

the ogryns wouldn't care tho.

[primal tusk]

...yeah. i take out ragers with my Laspistol mk X from range

[untold niche]

i mean vet will have it worse but i don't play vet so i pretend they don't exist

[spice veldt]

vet got dem shredder nades for rager patrols

[wraith talon]

yea gotta get used to the timing i think

[spice veldt]

take nade regen and you'll always have some nades up for rager waves

[umbral helm]

a shame that doesn't apply to the group anymore

[untold niche]

oh yeah i foirgot about that.

[spice veldt]

fatshark realizing that group-wide regen talents may be broken

psyk aura getting nerfed from 15% to 5%, and vet's regen on elite kill one

wish we didn't have playtesters so that we could live in an era with +15% psyk aura + chorus

[umbral helm]

I suppose it would be a bit spammy with all the new toys. a lucky ogryn would be throwing a lot of nukes

[untold niche]

wait which aura going 15 to 5

[spice veldt]

the +5% cdr on elite/special kill talent

[untold niche]

psyker has regen aura?

oh

atm its 5 or 15?

[spice veldt]

it's 5% currently

but it used to be 15% before patch 13 (talent tree update)

[bleak tulip]

and ill still take it every time

[wraith talon]

fat shark when fun

[bleak tulip]

even more shit would be broken

and not in the fun way

because FS dont actually playtest for shit themselves it seems

[wraith talon]

i mostly meant in general but yea the cooldown reduction might’ve been a bit busted

without the nerfs

[summer prairie]

There are also way more specialists and elites than when the talent was designed

[bleak tulip]

thats just generally true yeah

they didnt wanna nerf things to put em in line again so they just went hogwild with the director and now the sound is even more broken because of it (probably) and a buncha talents are even more out of whack

[summer prairie]

And the abilities are stronger

[bleak tulip]

Im sure if you wanted to you could compare scoreboards from before 13 and now and note the pretty drastic increase in specialists and elites overall?

[summer prairie]

Before the summer patches and high intensity even

[strong gulch]

Just played my first match in days. I felt sloppy and all over the place.

[wraith talon]

ik how that feels lmao

[bleak tulip]

played my first match with cold hands in a while, boy howdy how I havent missed that

[wraith talon]

been playing rogue trader for the last few days and played my first game in hi intensity damn

feel bad for my team ngl

[wraith talon]

cold hands?

[bleak tulip]

cold hands

[spice veldt]

evidently a metaphor for hands baked in cocaine

[plucky flax]

Trying to help randoms do twins and bruh do these guys not know you actually gotta kill the bosses to win?

[bleak tulip]

shh

[heavy wigeon]

Most of the people still running it don't have the dps needed to clear.

Bad builds or bad tactics prevent them.

[bleak tulip]

oh did the scoreboard finally get fixed to show twins damage`?

[plucky flax]

Bad plays bad builds bad everything it's depressing.

[bleak tulip]

thats nice I guess

[heavy wigeon]

Using ranged against Rodin's shield instead of melee, trying to shoot them when shields are down instead of meleeing, not being able to kill elites without help, etc.

[vestal fulcrum]

Salvaged Dreyko Melee only Maelstrom

feat: the surge

Very low damage, I was surprised we didn't really meet much in term of ambient resistance on this map/modifier

[plucky flax]

What staff?

[vestal fulcrum]

[plucky flax]

Surge staff on melee maelstrom?

[queen fog]

Reading? We don’t do that here

[plucky flax]

I thought he meant surge on voidstrike.

[vestal fulcrum]

Yep

[plucky flax]

Too low aoe damage for my liking.

For that modifier in particular.

[wraith talon]

got rezzed and instantly died to pox flames

love to see it

[wraith talon]

damnnn

[strong gulch]

Survey says... "no"

[torpid whale]

good or bad?

[wraith talon]

holy shit

[plucky flax]

I think this group it might be impossible.

[torpid whale]

Im sorry to hear that

[plucky flax]

I need at least 1 slightly more capable player.

[wraith talon]

holy hell

makes mine look like a joke lmao

[vast yew]

@torpid whale are those from Melk?

[torpid whale]

yeah

[strong gulch]

I still haven't tried the twins on hard mode. I might be a dead weight player tbh. 🙃

[vast yew]

I can't speak much to the Devil Claw, but that Surge is serviceable if you don't have one
Just need to swap Terrifying Barrage to Warp Nexus and Infested to Flak

[torpid whale]

i ended up getting the devil claw, might grab the staff later

[vast yew]

okie

[plucky flax]

If you can survive for longer than 2 mins and don't die as soon as elites are on you, then you're better than 90% of people trying to do it.

Mfw I am the only one damaging boss while elites and horde on me idk what others are doing

[strong gulch]

omg

[near drift]

It's absolutely a mood when both twins are actively targeting you along with about 5 to 10 maulers/ragers/crushers and there absolutely no assistive fire near you and no damage is being done to the shields

[plucky flax]

Oh yeah I definitely felt that.

And no one clearing red mines.

So the floor is littered with them.

[obsidian nimbus]

looking for plasteel

[queen fog]

Ah yes, in the BOSS ARENA

[obsidian nimbus]

never know lol

[plucky flax]

[lyric burrow]

i can queue if you need people tbh ive been trying to get it with randos as well

[plucky flax]

Nah I was helping other people.

[lyric burrow]

ah

[plucky flax]

But imma go watch TV shows now.

[strong gulch]

Imagine the bosses exploding with plasteel if you hit them.

[kindred ivy]

imagine using a staff

[plucky flax]

I abandoned my hope for them.

[kindred ivy]

couldnt be me

[plucky flax]

If you need though I can help tomorrow

[lyric burrow]

it would be appreciated i have given up on randos

and im like

[strong gulch]

Go enjoy shows. Your community work is done for the day.

[lyric burrow]

99% sure im not the problem

[plucky flax]

Yeah I'll try to get some people on my friend list.

[distant gate]

Is the knife good?

[plucky flax]

I was helping a lfg here but yeah..

They need a bit more experience.

[obsidian nimbus]

should of added me

[plucky flax]

Are you on eu server?

[lyric burrow]

no im NA

which could be problematic for lag

not sure though

[cobalt atlas]

Nah

[plucky flax]

Yeah I dunno how your ping will be.

[cobalt atlas]

Lag isn't terrible overall

(I play on SEA with NA friends)

[strong gulch]

Yeah. Both are good.

[plucky flax]

Have you played twins hm?

[obsidian nimbus]

yeah on

[cobalt atlas]

You would see little bit of desync but

overall it doesn't get too bad

[obsidian nimbus]

malice

[plucky flax]

[obsidian nimbus]

lol

[cobalt atlas]

Its so joever

Damnation once?

[obsidian nimbus]

i know what the bosses do

gotta get both the shields down ex ex

[plucky flax]

Even people commenting on my vids asking for help like I'm some kind of ***

[grizzled iris]

I wouldn't ask you for help even if I broke my left hand

[neat dome]

new to this class. whats a good none gun set up?

[plucky flax]

I have soft hands it'll feel good.

[queen fog]

You pleasure urself with ur left?

[modern bronze]

ur learning about lynrd skynrd's lesser known song

freeloader

[plucky flax]

I only know 2 of their songs.

Sweet home and something else I forgot.

[modern bronze]

freebird

[plucky flax]

Free bird?

[modern bronze]

that is the JOKE

[plucky flax]

Yeah that's it.

[modern bronze]

laugh

please.

[spice veldt]

haha (laughing at you)

[plucky flax]

[modern bronze]

[grizzled iris]

I'm sorry Arcotash

[spice veldt]

i cri

[grizzled iris]

Yea I saw, so I removed the message

[modern bronze]

i pinch ur tiny head with my fingers and kill you

[spice veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/897990245658787881.webp?size=80&quality=lossless

[grizzled iris]

https://tenor.com/view/death-stare-death-stare-anime-anime-scary-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-15911501325048106842

[wraith talon]

https://tenor.com/view/woah-family-guy-peter-griffin-stop-no-more-gif-18848500

[wraith talon]

vids?

are you a streamer or smth

[modern bronze]

it pops off like a lego man

[grizzled iris]

He just uploads some video clips here and there

[wraith talon]

ohhh

[plucky flax]

I'm a memer.

[wraith talon]

ohh

so

ok

[plucky flax]

https://youtu.be/LIblNd7RN9w

[obsidian nimbus]

do a Autopistol run

No magic

[queen fog]

Glances at the multiple warp passives that could get in the way of the “no magic” run

[untold widget]

No talents at all

well, maybe Mettle could be okay

[kindred ivy]

revolver

smite

best

[bleak tulip]

talentless behavoir

[obsidian nimbus]

maidenless

[cobalt bone]

btw, does anyone know how i can remove the critical peril sound? (mod)

[ornate hamlet]

There is a peril FX slider in the settings that reduces it

[cobalt bone]

oh really

never knew

ty!

[brisk lance]

I MADE A MEME

I do not like this meme.

[ionic needle]

Reminds me of my meme

I don't like mine either

[brisk lance]

It feels like it's on the edge of being something that can work.

I noticed a pretty substantial drop off from my regular Uncanny/Slaughterer Illisi.

[ornate hamlet]

How can i get this?

[stone narwhal]

The tat or the mask?

[ornate hamlet]

Mask

[stone narwhal]

It was the pre-order bonus. Mortis Operative cosmetics.

Don't know if they are still up for purchase.

They are, in my opinion, the best cosmetics in the game.

Especially the Guardsmen and Psyker ones.

[ornate hamlet]

Damn man....

Hope they gonna sell it in some new cosmetics set, cos it is realy Sexo!

[stone narwhal]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1981790/Warhammer_40000_Darktide__Imperial_Edition_Upgrade/

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Still available.

At 12 bucks for the whole pack, they're cheapest skins in the game.

[ornate hamlet]

[stone narwhal]

And yeah, FatShark really needs to add in some new cosmetics.

[ornate hamlet]

Broother

Emperor is proud you you!

Thanks

[stone narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/at-your-service-pirates-of-the-carribean-johnny-depp-gif-12788009

[near drift]

was the digital soundtrack updated to have the new map tracks?

[zinc phoenix]

And boy do they look like it

[azure bridge]

is it just me or is anyone else running into people who should not be in damnation, like at all

[ornate hamlet]

Sounds like you have darked some tides

[strong gulch]

I did one T5 today and it had some iffy players, but they were mostly ok.

I'd imagine lots of games with be flooding with new and returning players right now.

[fresh reef]

haven't taken that little damage in a while
the wonders of having a good team

[primal plume]

that menu is an absolute clusterfuck

looks like a spreadsheet for work schedules in a japanese company

[fresh reef]

they gave a name to this previously filename only career cosmetic

🤔

[primal plume]

Nice VR set

[tender osprey]

i never take under 1k dmg

[fresh reef]

no shot this won't be part of a 2900 aquilas set

[ionic needle]

God damn it fatshark! Me and my friend just carried this psyker who full on died five times through maelstrom on hab dreyko and when we finally get to the end we get thrown out and the game is aborted

[fresh reef]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1092269794989969430/1118969588978286733/F5B1BA7E-505F-454E-A54F-C9786D4E2BC2.gif

[tender osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/get-jiggy-with-it-jolly-cat-jiggy-cat-jiggy-get-jolly-with-it-gif-10530927213104800320

[bleak tulip]

https://vxtwitter.com/GatorsDaily/status/1738210397755187504

[bleak tulip]

shoulda just gone faster

shrimple

[ionic needle]

shouldve just left the other psyker behind then

[ornate hamlet]

ATOM BOMBE!

[primal tusk]

sometimes when you're just playing you get some of those..... teams

like the kind of teams where the AI of this game is smarter

had to actually ping the staircases up to places

forgot map name, was that radio tower thats circular and had to kill daemons there

[near drift]

It's definitely a mood you have to gauge each match at the start whether your teammates are competent and can finish enemies you set up while surviving or if you're in the "they got downed by gunners while in the open with no attempt of evasion" zone

[jaunty atlas]

siblings, i dropped this thing. i did not use it since the stroboscoseizure effect in beta, does it perform correctly ? if yes, what should i put on it ? thank you

[kindred ivy]

based

the fire thingy

[primal tusk]

i had to tag the actual staircase or they'd wander around aimlessly on each floor

[torpid void]

is there any way to get voidstrike to have roughly the same DPS as any other psyker build or should I just change builds?

[long wharf]

beta didn't have the really bad strobe effect

[primal tusk]

no clue, yet to get to 30 where the staves actually apparently have good enough stats to use

[long wharf]

that happened shortly after the 2nd patch, I think?

[primal tusk]

currently i am just an extra spicy veteran playstyle wise

[jaunty atlas]

really ? maybe it got worse idk, but it was unplayable

[long wharf]

void with surge+warp nexus is the best version of it for damage

[jaunty atlas]

hmm. ok, thanks

i cannot do that so i'll keep it as a mass control one i guess

[queen fog]

I like mixing it up with warp flurry, makes alot of slow staves catch up to their faster charge rate relatives

[torpid void]

thanks, someone told me trauma staff was better, and I was nt sure why and by how much

[long wharf]

warp flurry + transfer peril makes for an easy void spam

trauma is ... different

I hate the aiming method

[jaunty atlas]

trauma is not friedly to use imho

[long wharf]

but there's no denying how well it works

[jaunty atlas]

but it slaps indeed

[queen fog]

Trauma take a bit of lead since only the epicenter got the major damage

I.e middle of circle of shockwave

[torpid void]

how can i easily show you my build?

[primal tusk]

lore accurate ogryn, cant find the ready up button

[long wharf]

use the gameslantern site to build it?

[torpid void]

and i can send you a link?

[long wharf]

sure

[long wharf]

but is he in chat talking about which button to push and what happens while he hits random keys?

[primal tusk]

i dont think he can find the button

[long wharf]

real commitment to the bit would be forgetting he's in a chat with people and start mumbling random things as his mind wanders

[torpid void]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ae9b52b-4170-414a-9668-12baadc0c675/linuxfreebird-psyker?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[long wharf]

looks straightforwards

I try to grab Empathic Evasion whenever I can

free dodging against ranged attacks whenever you crit is major survivability

you definitely don't want +ranged critical hit damage on the staff, though

that perk is really bad

[torpid void]

I feel my damage compared to trauma staff or other builds sucks ,because it takes several shots to take out enemies

[long wharf]

grab +flak or +maniac

[torpid void]

on the staff?

[long wharf]

yes

for your curios, I highly recommend getting +stamina regen instead of toughness regen

I also prefer health to toughness for curios

[zinc phoenix]

I personally go 3xhp curios over toughness, feel so fragile without it

[long wharf]

you don't want resistance to bombers, either

gunners, mutants, snipers

[torpid void]

why hp over toughness?

[long wharf]

I roll with stamina regen on all my curios on all classes

you have more hp than you do toughness

[marble pebble]

[long wharf]

and while we no longer lose all toughness immediately upon touching fire, you still lose it very quickly

more health also means more capacity for dealing with corruption

I personally prefer 2x health and +3 stamina curios

stamina assists with movement and blocking

[marble pebble]

i mean its not good but

its a start

[long wharf]

it's better than t2 or t1 warp nexus

[primal tusk]

game with 3 psykers, each different nade ability

assail psyker, surge psyker, and then me, the braindead psyker thats just a veteran in denial

[ornate hamlet]

Toughness curios are great on psyker, considering the stamina regen delay and myriad of toughness regen talents plus the toughness and toughness DR nodes

[untold widget]

yeah I run 2x toughness 1x health all with 5% health/toughness

I think its like 150 toughness 175 health? off the top of my head

[radiant sleet]

Toughness is max 20 percent on curio right ? I cant seem to roll above 16 in almost 200 hours. Damn you milk

[untold widget]

toughnes max is 17

health max is 21

[radiant sleet]

Ohhh

Okay so my 16s are useable, thank you

[untold widget]

depends on how hardcore you are

but yeah

[radiant sleet]

I just started getting into Auric Damnation and I'm doing fine with x3 health, but I want to try toughness out

Plus I imagine I will have to optimize some stuff for hardmode twins so I figure toughness is the way to go

[quick rapids]

Hey y’all what’s your favorite build for the twins right now?

[long wharf]

three ogryns and a zealot

[mint pivot]

4 zealots

[untold widget]

reason I like toughness is because regening health is dependent on drops/medicae, but toughness comes back through straight murder

[ornate hamlet]

I just keep my dueling sword with kinetic deflection

[long wharf]

but that's the point, isn't it

having more health means a larger pool of that hard to replace resource

before you burden the rest of the team by being dead

[ornate hamlet]

But more toughness means that limited resource is protected better

[untold widget]

but if you don't ever take that health damage, then what's the point?

[long wharf]

also, there are many enemy attacks that deal more toughness damage than health damage

[vast yew]

you want both

[proven stirrup]

That's very true but it's only the preference for people that don't suck

[long wharf]

well, if you're a perfect player, you should never take damage in the first place

that's not an argument

[vast yew]

if you have low toughness you'll take more chip damage

[long wharf]

you're always in danger of taking damage

[vast yew]

if you don't have enough health then a few back-to-back hits will down you

[untold widget]

I only really take chip damage due to my l33t ski11s

[long wharf]

you're going to take chip damage regardless of how much toughness you have

[untold widget]

so toughness is better for me

[ornate hamlet]

More toughness means less chip damage though

[vast yew]

yeah but the % chip damage depends on the % toughness you have remaining

[ornate hamlet]

Since it's based on percentage

[naive sonnet]

boomer spotted

[vast yew]

if you have 100 toughness and get hit for 50 twice in a row, you take 25 health damage
if you have 150 toughness and get hit for 50 twice in a row, you take 17 health damage

[ornate hamlet]

Fossil ousted

[vast yew]

3 times in a row, it's 75 health damage vs. 50

[mint pivot]

z00m 0ff z00m3r

[vast yew]

IMO it's a good idea to run a good mix of both

[long wharf]

conversely, if you have +50% health, that 25 damage is less % of your total than that 17 damage is

[mint pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

true masterminds run all stamina to leave zealots in the dust on the race to be first to be downed miles away from others

[vast yew]

Depends on how much +% health you already have

[ornate hamlet]

But more toughness makes you last longer against ranged attacks and psyker has two toughness regen talents that rely simply on increasing and decreasing peril

[vast yew]

let's say you already have 1 hp and 1 toughness curio and you're going to run 3 substats for both; assuming you also picked up the 10% hp talent node, you've now got 220 hp and 118 toughness

If you're going to eat 3 50 damage attacks in a row, which one leaves you at higher % hp? (I don't actually know the answer)

[long wharf]

you're far better off with a spread of damage resistances

[ornate hamlet]

I take toughness, 2 gunner and 1 sniper

[long wharf]

I run 2 health and +3 stamina

[ornate hamlet]

Tough I don't actually know how hard the sniper hits to see if I need 2 sniper instead

[long wharf]

with stamina regen on all curios

and sniper and gunner resists

and ordo dockets

[ornate hamlet]

Psyker might be the one class I don't care about stamina on

The regen delay is nutty

[long wharf]

because I often run out of dockets trying to buy weapons worth upgrading

[ornate hamlet]

The rest follows

[hasty breach]

is there a melee psyker build in existence? obviously you use your tools but predominantly melee?

[long wharf]

max stamina is a part of the stamina cost for blocking calculation

which factors into kinetic deflection, as well

[ornate hamlet]

Get a normal psyker build but use your sword

[long wharf]

for melee-focus, you can go Scrier's Gaze

and DD, I guess, if you feel like suffering

[vast yew]

Was curious, so did the math:
2 hp, 1 toughness means you lose 64 hp, leaving you with 250 - 64 = 186. Or about 74.4% hp
1 hp, 2 toughness means you lose 56 hp, leaving you with 220 - 56 = 164. Or about 74.5% hp.

So: run what you want

[long wharf]

is that +26% health per curio?

[vast yew]

Curios max at 21% hp

[long wharf]

yes, but you also get +5% health perk

[ornate hamlet]

I think the only instance where kinetic deflection on its own let me down was deflector against gunners

[vast yew]

that's a substat, and I already answered that question

There's wisdom to running more toughness on Psyker, because you can regen it so fast, but things like Corruption affect your health. As well as things like Sniper shots which will almost always break your toughness and then deal hp damage

So, IMO: run 1 of each, and then whatever you want as the third

[long wharf]

now do that calculation with 2 health curios vs 2 toughness curios

and not stacking perks for each

[vast yew]

no

you want to know the math, you do it

I'm eating dinner

[mint pivot]

typical wh enjoyer, only able to count to 6

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lurking-gif-22179921

[long wharf]

wh?

[queen fog]

Ey I can count to 7

Put some respect on mah name

[near radish]

That's the sacred number of Slaanesh.

[velvet spear]

do we have a winner here folks

[near radish]

(realizes own heresy) ono.

[plucky flax]

Some gamers in this round.

[carmine fjord]

Great roll. Try your luck with hadron and pray to the emperor she doesn't brick it

[vast yew]

Good news: you have an 83.3333% chance for her to not brick it

[zinc phoenix]

Ngl I run 2x stam on my vet and for some weaps I even plop on a stam. For vet it’s da real hp

[proven stirrup]

Brunt wtf

Just in the rng shop this round

I'm glad I reinstalled

[static needle]

Can this axe be good on psyker or is DS4 or deimos always the best options?

[fresh reef]

Knife and Illisi are also solid

[proven stirrup]

Illisi is for horde-centric use but can confirm. It slaps

[fresh reef]

Tactical axes are useable at best, combat axes are pretty good generalists

[static needle]

knife is only "good" if youre doing pure crit build with flesh tearer (in my experience)

compared to DS its otherwise just redundant

cause DS can do everything better except for slightly better sprint speed

and it can one hit muties easily

[noble basin]

yay or nay?

[zinc phoenix]

For me 3xhp curios are about not getting instagibbed by something. I’m not worried about incidental damage

[static needle]

big yay, good roll!

[noble basin]

wished it was critical chance instead of damage but not bad yeah

[static needle]

get nexus to 4 tho and maaaaybe switch to flak dmg

[static needle]

ye same, sadge

[fresh reef]

And dodge speed, and better horde clear (though not really necessary to have a horde clear melee on psyker)

[static needle]

not sure about the horde clear part

[noble basin]

gonna rename it as "LOVE GAMBLING" since the crit damage

[static needle]

at least not when ur running scriers gaze

[fresh reef]

I prefer it for the aesthetics

[zinc phoenix]

I know everyone here loves void but I basically never see anyone run anything other than gun or purgatus in game

[static needle]

oh yeah, DEFINATELY

knife is sikk

[fresh reef]

Funny lil flip every time I equip it

[proven stirrup]

Those are the two easiest ranged options to get set up

[zinc phoenix]

I feel like a total hipster for running trauma because legit I never see other trauma users

[noble basin]

casual gamers vs discord ig 🤷‍♂️

[proven stirrup]

The others take very specific combos for people to really get into

Like voidstrike is rough without surge

[static needle]

its not good to run it with any staff other than void or surge tho, right? cause then u have no way to kill crushers effectively...

[zinc phoenix]

Idk I’m pretty sure most of the people in auric damn+ can’t be called casual, it’s kinda tryhard mode

[proven stirrup]

Everything functions on a baseline level but this is the minmaxer's space

[static needle]

knife is simply not good for killing crushers compared to DS4 or Deimos

[zinc phoenix]

Trauma can just juggle crusher to death

Especially spicy hot chili trauma

Surge is bad against crusher tbh

[static needle]

dont u want flurry to make it good for that tho? so u can reach higher dmg quicker therefore reach stagger charge faster

?

[vast yew]

Purg

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1yMzCLN80TEhN4/pkE0ZiBQnuzx?invite=cr-MSxDcGwsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA?mobilebypass=true

[zinc phoenix]

No I want warp nexus + burning spirit for a hunka hunka burnin love

And then I take venting shriek for more fire

I have an addiction and the only cure is more cowbell blue fire

[noble basin]

hm, fair

also what does ||LFG|| mean

[queen fog]

Looking for game

[fresh reef]

Looking for group

[noble basin]

oh
im stupid

[zinc phoenix]

LETS FUCKIN GOOOOOOO

[proven stirrup]

LOL

[noble basin]

so true bestie

[proven stirrup]

I was waiting for it

[queen fog]

Dw I just messed up the acronym so I’m with u on that feeling

[long wharf]

Lick Fruity Goop

[noble basin]

finally gets good roll on staff
hadron

[vast yew]

well it isn't bricked yet

[fresh reef]

No it's pretty bricked

[long wharf]

yes it is

don't waste mats on upgrading it again

[stone narwhal]

Unless I'm mistaken, you had like half a minute of prep there building warp, then did most of the killing at melee range with the knife. So those kills required a stage of prep and then a stage of follow up. That seems wildly inefficient, especially since those big boys won't just be standing there in-game like that.

[fresh reef]

Two useless perks and a useless blessing

[vast yew]

I didn't do shit

that's not my clip

[fresh reef]

Womp Womp

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve been running bb/shriek/trauma/wc classic psyker and it has been fun

Worked ok vs twins

[vast yew]

The purpose of that clip is to show how soulblaze + Rending = dead crushers

[noble basin]

it happened TWICE

[stone narwhal]

bruh, the "you" is directed at the person in the clip, whether that happens to be "literally you" or whoever recorded it.

[noble basin]

👺

[zinc phoenix]

Had to carry two mooks who kept dying

[long wharf]

oh you sweet summer child

it's going to happen a lot more

[zinc phoenix]

Like yeah it’s a rager blob simply dodge while juggling them with trauma

[noble basin]

bubble on twins? when you are forced to move through the entire map?

[zinc phoenix]

No bubble, brain burst

[long wharf]

brain bursting twins is a monumental waste of time

[noble basin]

I SURE LOVE FARMING

[zinc phoenix]

That’s not why I brought it 🤷‍♀️

[vast yew]

That is not how third person works but regardless
The in-game usecase is that, if you're already shooting flame into a choke and a Crusher walks into the choke, you can flip to dagger, stack Uncanny, and kill them pretty fast
Hence, Dagger is a decent melee option for Purgatus

[noble basin]

I LOVE THE DESTINY WARFRAME EXPERIENCE

[zinc phoenix]

I cleared rest of map then damaged twins, the one good zealot did the rest

[verbal shore]

the run i beat hardmode twins on i had bubble, helps alot if u put it in the middle of the room between vent swaps since it will regen toughness and it can make mines land outside of the bubble

[fresh reef]

At least with Warframe you have the benefit of not much rng aside from the needed mods

coughcoughrivens

[long wharf]

my group beat HM twins with 3 ogryns 1 zealot

zealot on bosskill

1 gungryn, 1 bullygryn, 1 chargegryn

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah idk why other classes bother trying to do boss damage, zealot got that shit on lock

I just focused on keeping good zealot alive

[long wharf]

hammer is really hard to beat

gungryn comes close

[zinc phoenix]

Gungryn is fucking terrifying

[verbal shore]

after playing zealot it made my vet and psyker feel so worthless against bosses compared

[zinc phoenix]

Like 700hp, massive resist and it can annihilate anything with massive amounts of damage

Just gungryn things

[untold widget]

Playing damnation on my level 14 zealot with a shit roll dclaw4 and parry tanking bosses while my level 30 team dies around me made me warm slightly to the concept of dclaws

[stone narwhal]

I'm not shooting any flames, might want to check that use of "you."
That sounds like a lot of specialization to try and make purge into an okay weapon choice, when the same thing can be done with Void Strike or even Surge minus all the prep and without fiddling with the dagger. Void and Surge both make quick work out of Crushers, and without having to invest points into soul blaze.

[zinc phoenix]

Dclaw is incredibly based

[vast yew]

We were discussing what staves you want to use Dagger with

[zinc phoenix]

I mostly see people go dueling sword with purgatus tbh

[vast yew]

I also go DS4 with Purgatus

Was pointing out that Dagger can work

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve actually got a build someone suggested with psyker knife

[noble basin]

ive been pretty effective with voidstrike compared to surge staff against twins, but some videos do prefer surge staff
idk what to think at this point

should I believe in yt guides? 🤨

[vast yew]

To an extent

But ultimately it's gonna be what you feel comfortable with

[fresh reef]

For 90% of the content creators, no lol

[vast yew]

And what let you perform your role on the team, assuming we're discussing hard mode

[queen fog]

A handful of videos get outclassed due to balancing so ya is mostly on u or hanging round here for advice on junk

[vast yew]

Also there's a lot of... questionable guides out there

[fresh reef]

"NEW OP BUILD CARRIES AURIC! 1M DAMAGE!"
pogface.jpeg thumbnail

[zinc phoenix]

No

But I also wouldn’t believe more than a couple people here

And I’m a dumbass who doesn’t do math so I’m not even in the list 😂

[vast yew]

There's general stuff that's reached a pretty decent consensus, but Psyker's a funky class and you can build it a lot of ways

[queen fog]

I love spreading misinformation without knowing it’s misinformation

[noble basin]

I shrimply see the surge staff taking 75% of my peril to kill a crusher and go "nay"

[vast yew]

I think the only staff that's gonna kill a Crusher in less Peril is the Voidstrike, but you'll have to rig the RNG

[noble basin]

pretty much

[zinc phoenix]

You bring surge to snapshot specials and generate peril, not for crushers

[vast yew]

Trauma is at least, what... 3 full charges?

probably more

[strong gulch]

Grumpy™️

[unkempt parcel]

At least yea but just pray in its a horde and you got soulblaze

[static needle]

Is illisi with uncanny any good for a scriers gaze gun build?

[vast yew]

Yeah I don't really count them I just keep toasting his toes whenever he stands up

[verbal shore]

yeah if youre building for crusher damage surge isnt really the way i don't think, definitely voidstrike with surge blessing is the best way to deal with them

[noble basin]

....generating peril intentionally?
then why do so many guides pair it with smite

[vast yew]

as long as you also take Slaughterer, ye

[unkempt parcel]

I miss pre nerf VS

[vast yew]

Palpatine

[unkempt parcel]

[noble basin]

truly the meme

[zinc phoenix]

Because that’s a great combo for shrieking a buttload of fire

[unkempt parcel]

Oh theres crushers

[static needle]

Cant this be really nice to keep the charge down? getting toughness too at the same time with quietude

[unkempt parcel]

I cast fuck everything in that general direction

[noble basin]

I used to do palpatine build but only when smite was bugged into oblivion

[verbal shore]

i think generally surge doesnt synergize with most blitz abilities, its mostly personal pref and since its already a single target damage then having horde cc is really useful

find myself rarely needing to use blitz when using a surge staff

[lethal lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[queen fog]

Most psykers when the Ep smite bug was around

[worthy kayak]

I need to see a chiropractor after this carry

[vast yew]

I mean, Illisi's main job is Horde Clear, Slaughterer is the best blessing for Horde Clear.
Do you already have a "Normal" Illisi build and are just making this one for fun?

[lethal lagoon]

If you ran the EP smite or surge bug more than once, you are cringe 🤮(in pubs)

[vast yew]

how tf did Lowdead pick up 2200 rounds of ammo and yet only 20 plasteel

[static needle]

the thing im saying is that, wont it be even better at horde clear with the added crit chance and damage from scier's? that way I can use it to quell peril and keep scriers going for way longer and so on

[queen fog]

Call me Ubercringe then cuz I spamed that shit till it got fixed

[verbal shore]

i only found out about the bug after and never got to use it 😢

[noble basin]

did you just twins with two psykers

[lethal lagoon]

Ubercringe

[queen fog]

I love pausing the horde clearing game

[vast yew]

I mean maybe, but if this is your first good Illisi I would build it more normal

[queen fog]

Fuck

I can’t recover from this

[noble basin]

ive been trying to hardmode twins for 3 days with psyker
release me

[worthy kayak]

take trauma staff

[vast yew]

think the only build I haven't seen someone say they beat hard mode with is Purg

[zinc phoenix]

Only way to know is to try, it sounds like a fun idea tho

[lethal lagoon]

There's a 4 psyker run beating hardmode, one of em used purg

[vast yew]

alright well there ya go

[noble basin]

what do I do with it
like, am I supposed to spam it or wh

[vast yew]

keep the waves of Elites off the people actually killing the boss

[worthy kayak]

Yes your job is to CC the elites and keep the area clear

[vast yew]

takes practice to know how much charge you need but Trauma can knock any elite to the ground

[noble basin]

hmmm 🤔

[zinc phoenix]

Trauma is also really easy to use in that mission because it’s a flat room

[noble basin]

ive been stunning hordes and elites with smite spam but that also works

[zinc phoenix]

So you legit can’t fuck it up

No stairs or nothing

[vast yew]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-starwars-underestimate-gif-7915876

[zinc phoenix]

But you do have to know how to dodge while trauma

[static needle]

defo! actually gonna try this with this voidstrike:

[vast yew]

that build is really funny with Gaze

[static needle]

yeah man

[vast yew]

it's not as good as a normal Void, but it's really funny

[static needle]

could work pretty dang well

[static needle]

its a lot of burst damage compared to normal void

i think it can outshine it in certain instances tbh

[vast yew]

normal void = nexus/Surge

[static needle]

eh

nexus surge is just too slow

flurry surge is more like it

that way u can get crits thru proccing

[vast yew]

the transfer/surge pairing lets you fire into hordes indefinitely, but becomes a bit of an RNG-fest if you try killing Elites

[static needle]

with true aim

[vast yew]

True Aim is great, and you take it on Nexus/Surge as well

[static needle]

thats alright tho since the damage will still be better with scriers

[vast yew]

Nexus is there for when there isn't a horde to farm True Aim off of

[static needle]

eh

too much rng

scriers is good tho cause of the increased damage

think about it

[vast yew]

it's less than what you'll be dealing with if Gaze is down

[long wharf]

I wouldn't use SG with a staff

[vast yew]

don't talk to Booden then

he runs it with Surge

[zinc phoenix]

People do it

[marble pebble]

hmm

[static needle]

then again you wouldnt leave ur comfort zone lmfao

[long wharf]

ew

[marble pebble]

not a bad start

[zinc phoenix]

I think sg+gaze is viable

[long wharf]

you don't know my "comfort zone"

[zinc phoenix]

Is this a butt joke

[long wharf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vast yew]

well that charge rate is a bit sad, but that'll work

[queen fog]

Are u a butt joke? Am I a butt joke?

[zinc phoenix]

🔫

[marble pebble]

is maniac or flak better @vast yew

instead of infested

[queen fog]

https://tenor.com/view/imposter-tf2-it-could-be-you-it-could-be-me-spy-gif-23428031

[static needle]

im not decided whether to run the extra crit chance on this for scriers build....

[zinc phoenix]

Which do you hate more 🤔

[vast yew]

depends on if you're gonna swap Sustained to Surge or Flurry

[marble pebble]

surge

[vast yew]

Aight then you got a choice; Flak or Carapace

Flak lets you charge a bit less when firing into mixed hordes

Carapace lets you one-shot Crushers in ideal circumstances

[marble pebble]

hmm

flak it is then

[vast yew]

sounds gud to me

[vast yew]

well you definitely don't want Unarmored

[static needle]

according to @potent echo, I do

cause its good for taking out gunners

which is one of the things this staff excells at

[long wharf]

you don't want unarmored

[vast yew]

Dreg gunners only

And only on headshots

[static needle]

yes but still

very useful, no?

[vast yew]

So no, you don't

[static needle]

hmmmm

[vast yew]

if you hit them with a Surge proc to the head they're dead anyways

and if you hit the body, then Unarmored doesn't work because that's Flak

better off with crit chance IMO because it'll give you at least a bit of a chance to crit when Gaze is on cooldown

you're looking at only 17.5% chance otherwise (assuming crit aura)

[noble basin]

what do I build on a trauma staff

[vast yew]

Easier to build and play: Flurry + Rending Shockwave
Harder to build and play, but stronger: Nexus + Blazing Spirit

[noble basin]

hmm, noted

tyty

[lethal lagoon]

I would say the reverse 🤷‍♂️ , flaming removes one of the big problems of the staff, which is knocking over living targets and not finishing them off.

With the warpfire, you can see who's alive.

[vast yew]

Blazing is (usually) considered harder because you don't have Flurry

so you have to be more precise with charge times

including probably learning how to Quell cancel for really tight situations

otherwise you can get overwhelmed

[lethal lagoon]

Overwhelmed... when your team is dead/dying. But if you are new, that's not a situation you are surviving anyways.

[vast yew]

probably fair

[worthy kayak]

I just run shriek and keep full charge spamming

[vast yew]

that's the main idea, but can get a bit different if elites start to close in

need to mid-charge to knock stuff down once it gets close

you can go a whole map with Blaze Trauma without ever pulling out your melee if you play it right (I'm not that good)

Shriek is definitely the way to go, stacks on top of the 6 stacks from Blazing to really start bbq'ing things

[strong gulch]

I read "I just run shrek" 😂

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-run-away-forest-gif-13716536

[vast yew]

low-key surprised no one with any of these drip/customization mods has changed an Ogryn skin color to green

[ornate hamlet]

DIS FOOKIN GIT YEAH

[marble pebble]

which staff does everyone prefer using, the trauma, or the void, or the flame staff

[vast yew]

I use all 4

depends on mood

[marble pebble]

i tried playing with staff but..

my revolver is too much fun

[noble basin]

Voidstrike is an all rounder and very shrimple to use

but I used to run surge a lot

[static needle]

not necessarily, you need good positioning to excell with voidstrike

[ripe yacht]

BBQ staff for me. Although I loved the overtuned palpatine staff.

Zap zap motherfucker.

[ornate hamlet]

Voidstrike is my pick, but the charge time and the hitbox annoy me

[potent zenith]

this good?

[ornate hamlet]

I'd change both blessings to deadly accurate and headhunter

Carapace is a shame, but the gun has enough finesse to get by on most enemies anyway

[potent zenith]

finesse being dmg?

[ornate hamlet]

Headshot and crit damage

The weapon stat itself, like on the rashad, is attack speed as well

Basically the vraks 7 just has stupid-high headshot and crit

[static needle]

for gunpsyker i usually want faster firing weapons so that emphatic evasion can trigger often enough

cause other wise u cant just straight up stand against a group on gunners shooting at you

[ornate hamlet]

Laspistol gaming

[static needle]

i wouldnt use a gun with a slower rate than laspistol, yeah

colomnus is also amazing tho

[ornate hamlet]

I like using empathic evasion to supplement me already dodging left and right against them

Just makes sure I get hit even less

[static needle]

the thing thats so good about relying a bit more on EE tho is that u can be accurate at the same time as they cannot hit you

extremely good

[kindred ivy]

Smite >

[static needle]

smite cant do DPS

just use EE with a fast firing gun and youre golden

[potent echo]

It's my choice, I rather get consistent dreg gunner kills

[kindred ivy]

wrong

just plain wrong

EP smite

[static needle]

eh

[kindred ivy]

💪

[static needle]

thats a niche build imo

[kindred ivy]

for all situations

smite always helps

[potent echo]

For sure

[kindred ivy]

EP smite can finish off any elite your revolver doesnt

without evne need shriek

save ogryns, maulers and mutie

with shrek all of them, except cruhser

[static needle]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-reaction-really-gif-27425089

[visual osprey]

I'm gonna show the female guardsman my maccabian duelling sword

[ornate hamlet]

Real and true bestie

[kindred ivy]

yeah

i tested it

revolver, if not dead -> EP smite , if not dead -> shriek flame and smite

will clear anything

the ones that likelly wont be dead after the first revolver shot are : mutie, maulers, ogryn and the dreg rager and maybe a special or 2 if i dont crit headshot

at which point u just need to EP smite them

Ogryn and Maulers ned shrek

[static needle]

the problem is that you cant make proper use of emphatic evasion, but maybe im just being culty in this lol

its just so good

with gunpsyker running laspistol or colomnus

[kindred ivy]

not only that while u are smiting u are providing CC, killing the hordes , finishing off elites u started and your teammates started etc etc, its just the best

[ornate hamlet]

Don't fall for the bait, Henkz

[half iron]

fall for me instead

[ornate hamlet]

Oh

[half iron]

as in find an explosive barrel and hit it near a ledge. what were you thinking?

[knotty elm]

illisi vs deimos force sword, which one is better?

[kindred ivy]

fucking trauma copers and void suckers 😔

smh smh

[half iron]

i worked hard for john rng to give me blaze trauma of course i’m gonna cope

[static needle]

are u the guy that was going around showing his revolver + vent build?

[kindred ivy]

yeah

but like

eveyronpe who ran it liked it

way of the mice

🙏

[static needle]

i dedect hubris

[hasty breach]

worth it? on melk's

[static needle]

sweet roll!

i think so, yeah but ask someone else to make sure

[hasty breach]

well i hope someone else chimes in

[static needle]

they will soon

[potent zenith]

wow

that shred alone is juicy

imo, i'd snag it

[snow dust]

neat

[potent zenith]

but im still a noobie

[velvet spear]

should I buy from melk's for the rolls?

never used a laspistol, no idea how to build around it or if the blessings are good at all

[potent zenith]

blessings dont look that impressive imo

stats can be easily bought from vender

[kindred ivy]

try it

[static needle]

i still detect hubris

[kindred ivy]

it can clear well auric nicelly

[static needle]

ill try sometime

[kindred ivy]

cant outdmg gunkers tho

[static needle]

or wait

i forgot

[kindred ivy]

those are like cracked up beyong belief

[static needle]

running smite for damage is boring

so i wont xD

[wraith talon]

based

[kindred ivy]

its so fun seeing the numbers on the kill traker

just go ot +70

or even +119

[fallow yacht]

laspistol II is great! I'd probably go with Maniacs, Crit Chance, Infernus and... most people say would say Dumdum, but Ghost sounds really nice

don't neccesarily buy this one in particular, but do try out one

[hollow pine]

is scriers gaze anyt good

[static needle]

Since riposte is so easy to trigger i feel like this would be better if im building it for a bit better horde killing ability?

[hollow pine]

cause im using it and i realize i get one shit a whole lot more with it

[static needle]

on gunpsyker its really good

[static needle]

u using guns or staff?

[hollow pine]

guns

[static needle]

great

then its really good

its really good with colomnus mk V or laspistol

those are the best weapon with scriers generally

[wraith talon]

gun psyker’s an abomination ong

[static needle]

whos the freak now eh?

[wraith talon]

you’re abandoning your kind

outsourcing our magic to the omnessiah

[static needle]

gunker is objectively better damage wise, unless we're talking purgatus or trauma blaze

[wraith talon]

sibling it’s not too late to come back

[wraith talon]

counterpoint:

[silk vigil]

My face playing vet whenever our psyker uses up all our ammo

[distant roost]

Please put uncanny on that.

[static needle]

thats not how u play gunker, you use your assail at least 50% of the time to save everyone else ammo

[static needle]

whyyyyy?? does that make it better for hordes?

cause riposte synergizes well with flesh tearer

like

really nicely

bleed galore

[distant roost]

So fun thing

[static needle]

its really easy to trigger as well

[silk vigil]

Had a psyker yell at me last month because we were both fighting over ammo. Guy had Jimmy Neutron Brain Blast and just kept shooting the entire match.

[distant roost]

Psykers already shit out crit chance

[silk vigil]

The other vet and me were pretty mad.

[distant roost]

Knife already has high crit chance

[static needle]

huh...

more than DS?

[distant roost]

Idk it’s in the 20-25% range from memory

It’s pretty high

[silk vigil]

I understand using assail and a good gun but personally prefer setting stuff on fire.

[distant roost]

As most weapons are baseline like

5%

Now thing is

Knives need help against armor

Which is where Uncanny comes in

[static needle]

what tf

that high?????!!!!!!!

[distant roost]

It makes knives actually capable of killing armored enemies faster

[static needle]

[distant roost]

So riposte can be good but uncanny is like

mandatory

[static needle]

ye but if youre gonna do that why not just run like....

[distant roost]

The best hands down Knife blessings are

[static needle]

Duelling sword

[distant roost]

Uncanny Precog

[static needle]

eh

doubty

[distant roost]

You can run DS if you like

The math doesn’t lie.

[static needle]

yes cause DS makes knife redundant

in terms of uncanny

[distant roost]

I mean yes and no

[static needle]

and precog

[distant roost]

Multiple weapons

[static needle]

not in terms of horde clear ability

[distant roost]

Can have the same

[static needle]

and movespeed

[distant roost]

Best blessings

If you want better horde clear

Uncanny/Precog, Uncanny/Lacerate or Flesh Tearer, Uncanny/Executor

[static needle]

the thing that makes knife super bad to go up against armor compared to DS is the abysmally short range

and failiure to stagger

i mean

[lethal lagoon]

My face when the vet brings plasma gun and not survivalist

No ammo and doesn't kill ranged mobs, where do you think my ammo is going.

[static needle]

hmmmm lacerate could work yea

[distant roost]

Never run double bleed though